c-section

[ashyr]

I myself was not born into this world.

Just thought i would ask this question. im the fool,yes haha!

who else was not born?


those who know what im refering two will figure it out

[thomascovenant]

I have been considering this for a while and all the pieces seem to fit.
Every day I find out things which back this up.
Too many details to list.

[eternal_spirit]

:confused:I myself was not born into this world.

Just thought i would ask this question. im the fool,yes haha!

who else was not born?


those who know what im refering two will figure it out

:confused:

[amerigirl]

you werent born by natural birth?! you arrived via c-section?!?! LOL, I dont know.....please explain :confused:

[ashyr]

yes.

i didnt have my skull crushed, i never had the shock of birth.
the shock of birth is the WHITELIGHT that makes you forget.

[amerigirl]

I was born via c-section also. So was my daughter, she was too comfortable I guess. Almost 3 wks late.
Good analogy, makes sense.

[ashyr]

cool. let's have a gathering of c-section ppl.
i think were different. and would love to know all i can about the cranium and birth canal. linked thru concious death and other notions.

[ashyr]

who else is c-section

[lookfar]

yes.

i didnt have my skull crushed, i never had the shock of birth.
the shock of birth is the WHITELIGHT that makes you forget.

Hi ashyr

I struggled thru the birth canal this time for some reason & gave birth to my son naturally too (3 hour labour with no drugs in a birthing pool, phew!).

Although I'm interested in what you say about not experiencing the shock of birth, as surely you would've experienced some sort of 'shock' by being plucked out via c-section too???:confused:

[thomascovenant]

I`m very dim, mentally and didn`t realise what you were on about.I was thinking of something else entirely.:o

[ashyr]

does anyone know about phenomina with s-section?

[lookfar]

does anyone know about phenomina with s-section?

Er what's an s-section?:confused:

[ashyr]

when u arnt born. you dont want to have your head crushed from BIRTH. (which makes u forget everything from past lives/conciousness) and try to stay in the womb. but they cut you out.

so i have not had my head crushed. nor did i see the white light. so i retain my former memorys. funny thing is . i dont have any former memorys cause i have a higher purpose here.

[ashyr]

bump

[eternal_spirit]

when u arnt born. you dont want to have your head crushed from BIRTH. (which makes u forget everything from past lives/conciousness) and try to stay in the womb. but they cut you out.

so i have not had my head crushed. nor did i see the white light. so i retain my former memorys. funny thing is . i dont have any former memorys cause i have a higher purpose here.


None of us have a clue what you're on about. Theres only two ways to come out of the womb, the normal way or by caserian section. Are you saying you where grown in a petre dish? Are you an alien? Cyborg, robot:confused:

[danielg]

when u arnt born. you dont want to have your head crushed from BIRTH. (which makes u forget everything from past lives/conciousness) and try to stay in the womb. but they cut you out.

so i have not had my head crushed. nor did i see the white light. so i retain my former memorys. funny thing is . i dont have any former memorys cause i have a higher purpose here.

Why bump a thread where you've wrote utter bollocks? Pure fantasy.

[ashyr]

Why bump a thread where you've wrote utter bollocks? Pure fantasy.


ahem. yet some people understand me and some dont.
i think you should join the "DONT UNDERSTAND ME" club.
(maybe research would help you? unless you seem to get all your info from this site i doubt you will ever come across such info)

caserian section. = c-section

so ignoring those dumb replys (thats what they are)
there is great mystery and a great cascade of knowledge surrounding c-sections so i suggest you shut your mouth if you dont know anything about it.

pure fantasy, hah so are the reptilians. yet we have definative proof that c-sections exists infact i am one of them so go figure, albert!

[danielg]

I didn't write that c sections don't exist, keep to the facts... oh you have none!

[joe dolan]

you realise how c-sections are now the most "popular" birthing methods. i have wondered why. i cant help but think of the description the little guy in the video "the boy who lived before" (see icke headlines, this week) where he talks about the tunnel. im intrigued... there is a process to birth. and IT IS a necessary process

[ashyr]

ahahah this guy,
so how would you expect me to show you the facts on life after death. aye?

see this PEA, its proof. how the hell do u tell someone anything?
think before you reply, these types of posts are just ignorant and abusive. so SHUT UP.

what happens when you are born? think?
what happens to your skull?
what is the difference between having your skull crushed to the shape of a elongated EGG, as to NOT having your SKULL crushed? and being removed from the womb? THINK!!!!!!!!!!

[joe dolan]

moreover see maxwell (robert) for a better explanation

[ashyr]

oh JOE you postd just while i was replying. other wise i would have put a big ROUND OF APPLAUSE IN HERE!!!!!!!!!!!


your on the button my friend. and i read that post in the news section and yes they are connected. note my reply =D

thanks

[joe dolan]

i studied nursing too. im on it my friend.. there is a reason why its "popular" im convinced.

[joe dolan]

ahahah this guy,
so how would you expect me to show you the facts on life after death. aye?

see this PEA, its proof. how the hell do u tell someone anything?
think before you reply, these types of posts are just ignorant and abusive. so SHUT UP.

what happens when you are born? think?
what happens to your skull?
what is the difference between having your skull crushed to the shape of a elongated EGG, as to NOT having your SKULL crushed? and being removed from the womb? THINK!!!!!!!!!!

EXACTLY!!! the skull in the infant is designed specifcally for this, hence the quartered skull (if you like).

go on....

[danielg]

So speculation without any evidence goes as truth on this forum? Writing "think!!!!!!!!!" doesn't back up a statement.

[joe dolan]

So speculation without any evidence goes as truth on this forum? Writing "think!!!!!!!!!" doesn't back up a statement.

we are discussing the opinions of a person that has experienced them. thx

[ashyr]

no. but it lets you take time to break the "WORLD OF GLASS" you live in. ,(yet thats just an idea in my head) the glass walls of ignorance and impossibility and come to light of maybe "there is some truth" in what i say.

yeah im just telling lyes to bide the time util death. nothng else 2 do?!!!!!!!


JOE can you tell me what you would know about the SKULL that doesnt get crushed? Im interested in learning what you know. and yeah that soft skull part its truly freaky if you know any babys new born. eeek ! weird.

[danielg]

Delivery of the newborn involves passage of the child through a convoluted birth canal. I believe vaginal delivery represents a child's first CranioSacral treatment, spinal mobilization, myoneural system treatment and sensory-stimulation session. In my opinion, all of these serve to prepare the infant for the rapid transition from life inside the womb to the outside world. Nature seldom makes design errors, and I certainly don't believe the birth canal is one of them.

The bones of the vault of the fetal/newborn skull are hard places in the membrane. There is ample room between their edges for overriding and changing of the head's shape so it can pass through the birth canal. This passage represents a "manipulation" of the skull bones by the birth-canal walls; it ensures their proper mobility, so that after delivery, the bones are able to comply with the motion of the craniosacral system.

Cases of skull-bone overriding usually self-correct as the child's head expands and reshapes after exiting the birth canal. Should this not occur within minutes, a CranioSacral therapist can correct these situations easily. Left uncorrected, override problems can contribute to seizure tendencies. We often find a persistent override between the parietal and frontal bones in spastic conditions such as cerebral palsy. When corrected, these conditions usually improve or disappear entirely.

The squeezing of the child's head during delivery also may act as a circular wringer that encourages the permeation of cerebrospinal fluid into and throughout the brain tissue, down the spinal canal and throughout the subdural spaces. This squeezing motion helps the venous blood drain from the skull vault, so that as soon as the head is delivered from the birth canal, fresh arterial blood can enter the vault and further activate the circulatory systems of the brain. It also offers the first scalp massage.

Most infants are delivered face-down, with the mother in the supine position and the child's occiput coming out under her pubic bones. Many well-meaning delivery attendants feel a need to speed up the process. Obstetrical lore contends that when the head comes out, we must hasten to complete the delivery, since the birth canal may be squeezing the umbilical cord against the infant's body. This cord compression is thought to potentially occlude blood flow to the infant, which may result in brain damage due to hypoxia. In other words, the attendant's good intention translates into grasping the child's head and pulling; in doing so, the head can be hyperextended, which may create a "jamming" of the skull's occipital bone forward into the V-shaped receiving-joint surfaces, located on the superior surface of the 1st cervical vertebra (atlas).

When there is danger of injury, the soft tissues of the body contract or splint. If splinting occurs with the child's occiput jammed in this forward position, it will stay that way. In that case, the contracture of soft tissues at the juncture of the skull base and the top of the neck may compromise areas of the jugular foramena on the right side, the left side or both. If the jamming is more severe, it may compromise the foramen magnum.

The jugular foramena allow several important structures to pass out of the skull, including the jugular veins that drain most of the venous blood from the head into the neck. The foramena also afford passage to the IXth, Xth and XIth cranial nerves. The glossopharyngeal (IXth) and vagus (Xth) cranial nerves work jointly to help control swallowing, airway function, and the larynx, pharynx and esophagus. The glossopharyngeal nerve also works along with the hypoglossal (XIIth) cranial nerve to control the tongue and oropharynx. Additionally, the vagus nerve helps maintain a normal heart rate and is involved in stomach and bowel function. When dysfunctional, the vagus nerve can contribute to a sense of dizziness.

The hypoglossal (XIIth) nerve exits from the skull through the hypoglossal canals, located beside and beneath the joint surfaces of the occiput as it articulates with the atlas. Consequently, jamming can easily result in tongue control problems, such as tongue thrust. The spinal accessory (XIth) cranial nerve innervates some of the major muscles of the neck; when dysfunctional, it may create spasm of the sternocleidomastoideus and/or the portion of the trapezius muscle in the neck. This may continue after birth due to ongoing compression/irritation of the nerve as it exits the jugular foramen, which may then produce a torticollis.

We call this type of craniosacral system dysfunction "occipital base compression." If both sides of the occipital base are severely compressed, it's common to see colic; food regurgitation; esophageal reflux; respiratory difficulties; rapid heart rate; and compromised bowel function (constipation or diarrhea). There also may be spasm of the neck muscles. If left uncorrected, the situation may result in hyperactive child syndrome and attention deficit disorder. When the occipital base jamming is less severe, or only on the right or left side, any combination of these symptoms may be present.

Fortunately, occipital base compression can usually be corrected by a skilled CranioSacral therapist in a matter of minutes, if the child is treated during the first weeks of life. Treatment is most effective when performed during the first few days of life - or even in the delivery room, after the umbilical cord has been cut and the child has been suctioned and wiped clean. The sooner the child is seen, the less treatment normally is required.

If neck-muscle spasm is allowed to persist, it can cause temporal bone dysfunction in the craniosacral system. This has been shown to be a strong contributing factor in children with dyslexia and other reading problems. Interestingly, correcting these dysfunctions in school-age children often allows them to catch up to normal reading levels in a matter of weeks, unless psychological and/or emotional scars are in the way. If they are, psychoemotional therapeutic modalities must be incorporated into the treatment program.

[ashyr]

daneilg im not disagreeing with your method of thinkin in this case, i can see myself taking your stance on other subjects where i would be "on the cusp" or "wish to know vs think you know" case. i value your objections, and yea i spose i would go so far as to say they are a necessary grounding, i tend to sometimes stray far from graspable theorys because i think the world is following me so i can go further off my tangent to further off my tangent. if u get my drift

[joe dolan]

lol...english please einstein...

[joe dolan]

an intelligent mind has the capacity to be simple...Albert Einstein..

[joe dolan]

no. but it lets you take time to break the "WORLD OF GLASS" you live in. ,(yet thats just an idea in my head) the glass walls of ignorance and impossibility and come to light of maybe "there is some truth" in what i say.

yeah im just telling lyes to bide the time util death. nothng else 2 do?!!!!!!!


JOE can you tell me what you would know about the SKULL that doesnt get crushed? Im interested in learning what you know. and yeah that soft skull part its truly freaky if you know any babys new born. eeek ! weird.

i just know it is NOT NATURAL BIRTH. i aint no expert on this. im going with my gut feelings. based on what your saying it sits right with what i feel...

[ashyr]

wow that was crazy. just when replying i hit reply and all power cut out.
haha thats the 2nd time in 2 days this has happend. spose this re-enforces my theory of how phsycics dont work. i shoulda known that happen if it think of phsycics in that sense. but no. hah

first time just over 24 hours ago. the power went out but was kinda half on. TV workd but no sound. not even if u put a dvd on. my monitor would work but pc wouldnt the 5.1 surround system i have was makin fluctuatin waves of 50 hz buzz. ahah weird aye. even the microwave wouldnt work it would start u could press start and it would go then stop go and stop but very quietly .weird indeed.

[notaslave]

yes.

i didnt have my skull crushed, i never had the shock of birth.
the shock of birth is the WHITELIGHT that makes you forget.

Why do you think the white light makes you forget?

I almost died the white light did not make me forget

I would be interested in why you think it makes you forget.

[ashyr]

yeah . i know its un natural as hell!. i want to know if anyone can tell me the known issues/ or factors in NORMAL being and everyday life that is of a c-section.

btw nice cut n paste daniel. thanks for the info =D

[joe dolan]

wow that was crazy. just when replying i hit reply and all power cut out.
haha thats the 2nd time in 2 days this has happend. spose this re-enforces my theory of how phsycics dont work. i shoulda known that happen if it think of phsycics in that sense. but no. hah

first time just over 24 hours ago. the power went out but was kinda half on. TV workd but no sound. not even if u put a dvd on. my monitor would work but pc wouldnt the 5.1 surround system i have was makin fluctuatin waves of 50 hz buzz. ahah weird aye. even the microwave wouldnt work it would start u could press start and it would go then stop go and stop but very quietly .weird indeed.

see nancy leider. best explanation ive had on gllobal warming and electro magnetic interference.. www.zetatalk.com

[ashyr]

hehe sorry my posts are getting out of sync with replys'

um from what i understand and what some yogi's have told me is that the white light is very similar to the feeling of enticement and orgasm. you know that feeling when your no the edge and its so easy to just go wth it. well yeah like that. except that white light is a deception, it aparently will make you forget the life you've just had. and shock you into being born NEW, FRESH, and unaware of your past lives. or existance.

[joe dolan]

agreed. shock breeds amnesia, ask a car crash victim what he remembers about the incident. may be of addition to your point

[ashyr]

very additions. thanks.

your so on the button, this is why i put this thread up. i want info like that to spew forth so i can build my understanding of it.

yeah car crash victims is a good exmple, also yeah aparently when ever they ask people (in the case of 911) of recolections 99.98% of the time they say they just throw them in the rubbish because recollection is built on WHAT you think happend and usually fabricated to hell!>

so in reply Why do you think the white light makes you forget?

I almost died the white light did not make me forget

I would be interested in why you think it makes you forget.

well the way i see it is this.

HELL IS EARTH. or WE ARE IN HELL!. (dont care if u agre or disagree, its my view) now

white light, the CHOIR sound attached here pls. godly, pure, christian overtones, clean and welcoming its gotta be a good thing right? well thats why im skeptical about it. everythign in this world i find is as malignant in being REAL as the next. so yeah whitelight i find could easily be the deceptions of WELCOME TO HELL!!!

[joe dolan]

agreed. this is hardly paradise!!

[ashyr]

heheh yes. exactly . i say that and ppl go in a split second "NO, NO,NO , NO" well you live in a BASE 2 world. cause we are definalty controlled by ON/OFF if this isnt hell. im pretty damn sure its not HEAVEN. lol so, oh now you want to believe in the 3rd dimension. ahhaa they walk away.

i admit im a bit much for the average soul around here. but yet im not giving up =D

got any ideas on the depiction of "PAST LIVES" and "RE-ENCARNATION" or "RECOLLECTION" of past memorys. even though i hear you dont believe in it?

[joe dolan]

im not sure i believe in this life yet..lol.. (richard bandler)

[anoninnyc]

well i am pregnant so i have been studying these issues. i live in the usa, so my info may not apply to you. c-sections are so common for two reasons for the doctors to do so. 1. doctors prefer not to waste time with natural labor which can go on and on and on when they can just cut out the baby pretty quickly and 2. there is a lessor risk of medical malpractice suits ironically as the babies neck won't get choked by the umbilical cord and other complications.

many women choose c-sections and the reasons they do so are 1. get to pick the time and place to have a baby, no surprises 2. scared of labor 3. scared of the stretching and distortion that may happen to their vagina and 3. had a previous c-section and don't want to risk the rupture of uterus with a vaginal birth after c-section.

my personal reasons for planning on a natural birth (though if something goes wrong not opposed to c-section- 1. the doctor cuts through your abdominal muscles and uterus- ouch, would be on serious pain meds and won't be as mobile. as a new mom i want to be there to breastfeed my baby and not have opiate filled milk, and don't want to be healing from a major surgery during this special time 2. vaginal birth actually helps clear the mucous from the babies chest 3. your vaginal muscles are relaxed anyway by the pregnancy hormones. if i can't get my vagina back into shape via the natural bounce backing process and kegel exercises i could always look into vaginal tightening surgery or just deal with a loose vagina! who knows, anyway i am worrying about my baby now and will deal with that later.

[joe dolan]

well i am pregnant so i have been studying these issues. i live in the usa, so my info may not apply to you. c-sections are so common for two reasons for the doctors to do so. 1. doctors prefer not to waste time with natural labor which can go on and on and on when they can just cut out the baby pretty quickly and 2. there is a lessor risk of medical malpractice suits ironically as the babies neck won't get choked by the umbilical cord and other complications.

many women choose c-sections and the reasons they do so are 1. get to pick the time and place to have a baby, no surprises 2. scared of labor 2. scared of the stretching and distortion that may happen to their vagina and 3. had a previous c-section and don't want to risk the rupture of uterus with a vaginal birth after c-section.

my personal reasons for planning on a natural birth (though if something goes wrong not opposed to c-section- 1. the doctor cuts through your abdominal muscles and uterus- ouch, would be on serious pain meds and won't be as mobile. as a new mom i want to be there to breastfeed my baby and not have opiate filled milk, and don't want to be healing from a major surgery during this special time 2. vaginal birth actually helps clear the mucous from the babies chest 3. your vaginal muscles are relaxed anyway by the pregnancy hormones. if i can't get my vagina back into shape via the natural bounce backing process and kegel exercises i could always look into vaginal tightening surgery or just deal with a loose vagina! who knows, anyway i am worrying about my baby now and will deal with that later.

you may not get what you want in life but you WILL get what you expect!! (carl jung)

i wouldnt listen to these f***kin doctors. we did not invent thalidomide!!

in addition my dear. according to your faith be it done unto you.

your child and you will find the best way WITHOUT this b.s..

[ashyr]

thank you for your confidence in replying to this thread it can be a distrought subject for some.

hey some ppl like a loose vaginal. specially if they have a large member (such as myself) jokes. nah. hey i think you know enought to be cautious in all respects and just want to thank you again for that info.
actually provided a bit of info i didnt know about the decision status of having a c-section

i think i was one of those "OH NOT THIS HELL AGAIN, BUGGER THAT" staying in to long children.


as crazy as it may seem. most of my friends in the vast pool of my friendship, the crazy ones, the out there thinkers, and awakend ones, were all c-section.

but yes its un natural. why do doctors push for it. smoko break in 5. just quickly do this c-section and then i wont miss out on that muffin?

[joe dolan]

anoninnyc my congratulations also on your wonderful news. a new life. another soul incarnating to this time. i re read your post and i know a hypnotheraoist (closely) and im informed its all based on FEAR (see david icke). in advance please welcome the new soul here. these are the guys will make a change where we have not!! you will (again) find the best way

[anoninnyc]

anoninnyc my congratulations also on your wonderful news. a new life. another soul incarnating to this time. i re read your post and i know a hypnotheraoist (closely) and im informed its all based on FEAR (see david icke). in advance please welcome the new soul here. these are the guys will make a change where we have not!! you will (again) find the best way

many thanks.

[ashyr]

i remember when i was really really young having all these thoughts of how life would be like in teh future. ahah nothing like those chipboards on old movies depicting advanced computer systems with flashing led's lol more like starwars but yet quiet like how we are going now,
i spose thats where i get my tech side from. i wonder if i can use hypnotherapy (even though im a ADD child and cant be hypnotized) to recall seein the scalple?

[joe dolan]

many thanks.

id love to say "hope it all goes well" but it already has.. nice one!!!

[joe dolan]

i remember when i was really really young having all these thoughts of how life would be like in teh future. ahah nothing like those chipboards on old movies depicting advanced computer systems with flashing led's lol more like starwars but yet quiet like how we are going now,
i spose thats where i get my tech side from. i wonder if i can use hypnotherapy (even though im a ADD child and cant be hypnotized) to recall seein the scalple?

if you can dream. and think.... you CAN be hypnotised!!

[anoninnyc]

thank you for your confidence in replying to this thread it can be a distrought subject for some.

hey some ppl like a loose vaginal. specially if they have a large member (such as myself) jokes. nah. hey i think you know enought to be cautious in all respects and just want to thank you again for that info.
actually provided a bit of info i didnt know about the decision status of having a c-section

i think i was one of those "OH NOT THIS HELL AGAIN, BUGGER THAT" staying in to long children.


as crazy as it may seem. most of my friends in the vast pool of my friendship, the crazy ones, the out there thinkers, and awakend ones, were all c-section.

but yes its un natural. why do doctors push for it. smoko break in 5. just quickly do this c-section and then i wont miss out on that muffin?

yeah, but sorry i forgot to put in the most obvious reason for a c-section, and that is that the head of the baby is not pointing down. so to avoid a dangerous breach birth situation. and you are supposed to induce labor if you are two weeks past due date or more but you induce chemically and can give birth vaginally..... not sure how things were when we were born though, medicine changes quite a bit.

[harbingers_kiss]

A third reason is because the doctors get more money so they tell you it's neccessary. It's a greedy world.

A fourth reason is because women want to stay ahem.. "tight" LOL They are afraid their mate will run off to the little leagues...

Ashyr, the memories from a past life would have to be carried by the spirit, not the brain. If that's the case, then natural birth would have no effect whatsoever on what memories that are retained. Hmmm now that I think about it, casteneda spoke of this. According to Don Juan, the memories are stored by the spirit. They would have to be. Brains learn through experience, but a new brain has experienced nothing but the womb. That would mean memory is stored in the spirit According to the Native people it's the caul that fortells a child's memory and abilities of everything before current birth. The color of the caul peg's the child's abilities even further.

Personally, if I believed in anything at all, I'd just think the spirit and genetics just happened to mesh in the right places.

[anoninnyc]

In Persian mythology, Rudaba's labor of Rostam was prolonged due to the extraordinary size of her baby. Zal, her lover and husband, was certain that his wife would die in labor. Rudaba was near death when Zal decided to summon the Simurgh. The Simurgh appeared and instructed him upon how to perform a caesarean section, thus saving Rudaba and the child.

Rostam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is an ancient tale from the Shahnameh, an epic poem, the mythology of Persia. Thought you might find the c-section element of it interesting. The Simurgh is a flying creature which helps mankind.

[joe dolan]

a breech baby can be induced to 'NORMAL' labour with hypnotic suggestion. it has been proven. i promise you. although a nurse can do equally as good a job. it has also been PROVEN (not by pharma financed trials. OF COURSE!!) HyPYNOSIS , which is really your EXPECTATION!!!!!!(see carl jung, again) can boost the immune system. THE MIND CONTROLS THE BODY.... AND EVERYTHING ELSE.... see David Icke

[joe dolan]

ashyr (again) memory can be erased in a split second via SHOCK. please see post traumatic syndrome...

[ashyr]

hehe yeah i'll revert to a christian statement that makes alot of sense to me, especially about hypnotism. maybe certain concious hypnotisms.
i call the 7 deadly sins the 7 deadly hypnotisms.

"the Devil carried God to the top of the temple and tried to induce him to leap to the earth and that God was intellectually too keen for the Devil."

i know your point though =D
and to the post about the spirit with memory.
i dont think spirit holds memory but more conciousness, i think perhaps the memorys i am talking about are more FAMILIARITYS of this plane/existance. knowing youve been to this place before.
the same yogi/harekrishna dude told me this was my first life here on this planet. i am a messiah who is uber wise for 1 lifetime, he also asked me many questions which i dont know now i think about it. might have been an illuminati member checking upon me. u know how they can ask lots of questions you think arnt conencted but they know other knowledge and can read from my answers what they will. this guy got freaked out at some of my FACIAL EXPRESSIONS at him when he was trying to make eye contact.
maybe he feared me. also ive had many moments when im whisked away from my concious state and come back with the thoughts of being a DARK MESSENGER. or somthing like that. usualy spell bound my closeest friends when it happens.

[anoninnyc]

A third reason is because the doctors get more money so they tell you it's neccessary. It's a greedy world.

A fourth reason is because women want to stay ahem.. "tight" LOL They are afraid their mate will run off to the little leagues...

Ashyr, the memories from a past life would have to be carried by the spirit, not the brain. If that's the case, then natural birth would have no effect whatsoever on what memories that are retained. Hmmm now that I think about it, casteneda spoke of this. According to Don Juan, the memories are stored by the spirit. They would have to be. Brains learn through experience, but a new brain has experienced nothing but the womb. That would mean memory is stored in the spirit According to the Native people it's the caul that fortells a child's memory and abilities of everything before current birth. The color of the caul peg's the child's abilities even further.

Personally, if I believed in anything at all, I'd just think the spirit and genetics just happened to mesh in the right places.

you are correct about the money aspect. i do think they can bill the insurance company more for a c-section. and you know i am afraid of the state of my vagina after vaginal birth, i will not lie. already it is so much wider down there than usual. i asked my doctor about this and he said, well your body is getting ready to pass a baby through there. i know, too much information, sorry about that.

i don't think there would be a big difference for a c-section or vaginal birth baby. they both seem pretty traumatic to me, from the baby's perspective. in fact, think about the c-section, you are being yanked out of a uterus that has just been cut open and traumatized. can't be too pleasant.

[anoninnyc]

a breech baby can be induced to 'NORMAL' labour with hypnotic suggestion. it has been proven. i promise you. although a nurse can do equally as good a job. it has also been PROVEN (not by pharma financed trials. OF COURSE!!) HyPYNOSIS , which is really your EXPECTATION!!!!!!(see carl jung, again) can boost the immune system. THE MIND CONTROLS THE BODY.... AND EVERYTHING ELSE.... see David Icke

are you a christian scientist?

[joe dolan]

are you a christian scientist?

i am me. i am free. i dont believe in the sun analogy, i beliieve i know fuck all!!! lol

[ashyr]

ill expand abit on the theory ihave of MEMORY/FAMILIARITY

i agree with you in saying that the greater pool of understanding/inttelegence blah blah is stored with spirit,

my PHYISICAL retention of knowledge and other things from birth would then be considered a mere familiarisation,

so knowing that youve been on EARTH BEFORE, i hve not,
maybe like some ppl get dejavu, or how u can know what 2 do with a object or thing/idea and impliment it even though its new to you!

[harbingers_kiss]

Good point about PTSD joe. But then why do so many vaginal birth kids keep the memories ? Kids with unusual abilties/memories have been being born for a long time.

yes, it amazes me the BS we women have to endure nowadays that we never even thought about before. We have become almost neurotic about going against nature to please men so they don't run off with some teenager...or at least photos of teenagers. C-sections are the least expensive of the "keep your man" tricks.

[ashyr]

ahah i personally believe all men are reptiles. so yeah do your best to resist us.
you know you want it.

eve did!
hahahahaha

sorry =(

[joe dolan]

excellent point too, so why doesnt everyone suffer from post traumatic etc..?? some remember, some DO NOT! why doesnt it effect everyone? some have rememberence. and some do not....

[harbingers_kiss]

oh ashyr my apologies, I missed that. You are'nt speaking of things like past lives. Even so.. I'm on the rail in this debate LOL I'm leaning to my own rationalization of course but am still open to derailment. :)

[ashyr]

no no your all good, this thread wasnt entirely for the humour of PAST LIVES ETC. it was more about

what do we know about the differences in LIFE from c-section child and natural birth.

btw. the kiss of a harbringer oh. gimme one. pls =D

[harbingers_kiss]

The only thing I could say for sure is that it's easier for C-section's to buy hats LOL

Do they have... mood C-sections like they do for birthing ? Like can the child be brought into low light and music etc... if your theory is correct, then these things might aid the infant as well. That would be interesting to track.

Ah, you would'nt want the kiss of a harbinger. It's far too painful. ;)

[joe dolan]

this is or wasnt about past lives, but i see it has become so. bring it on. fuck me sideways!! (lol) we have been here before!!! i really believe that, i have a program that will take you to,deep trance, so you can begin to remember, show me how i post???

[ashyr]

PM me the program. or a URL where i can get that please.
im highly interested.

or just post it =D

depends on the type of kiss, vampires can bite with utter control without needing to bite.
thats how i meant it. the REAL kiss of a harbringer would truely be something yeah!

[joe dolan]

PM me the program. or a URL where i can get that please.
im highly interested.

or just post it =D

depends on the type of kiss, vampires can bite with utter control without needing to bite.
thats how i meant it. the REAL kiss of a harbringer would truely be something yeah!

man its a big file. i try to post on "you send it" but just too big. please hold while i find a torrent link. like i found it..

[ashyr]

you could kiss me and nothing would change apart from my heart rate. =D hehhehe

if that is clear. lol the kiss without the pain lol =D

[joe dolan]

its on my hard drive upstairs. i just got to find out how. im on it now

[ashyr]

the torrent would be good =D i have this sound feild generator somewhere. man when i was dosed up on ormus and using that thing. shit you can see how they work aye. ... just a bit noisy=D

[ashyr]

wow thats such a crazy thought.but off topic. you know like how when fear and death is involved most ppl stay away from the source of the danger.
etc likehow i was just talking about having a kiss from a harbinger.

the same thing i think i crave from all deadly things its strange. like medusa. would you love to just kiss her or touch her without the repocussions? or all those things where you will have something bad happen. but the chicks are so damn attractive. you just wanna try to see if your different ahahahah much like pullin the sword from the stone.
or am i off on a ramble?

[joe dolan]

http://cache.torrentspy.com/download.asp?id=819563

[ashyr]

wow that is a large file =D
but i want it. damn. ill figure something out =/
thanks man. oh it HEMI SYNC. heard heaps about it

[harbingers_kiss]

I'm old enough to be your mother... hee hee :p


http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v14/Paradox1022/?action=view&current=blahwitchproject-1.jpg

[joe dolan]

ok?

[joe dolan]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v14/Paradox1022/blahwitchproject-1.jpg

[harbingers_kiss]

This is my take on past lives. (new aged up because it was being published for a new age mag) It's long, kill me if you must.

The Illusion of Re-Incarnation


Published in Alternate Perceptions magazine
Issue 34, Spring 1996




Please note that this article is written from a NON-LINEAR perspective. In accordance with linear time as perceived in the third dimension, reincarnation could be a fact. Try to view this article with a bit of non-Euclidian logic.

As most thinking individuals, I've often pondered the nature of the spirit and what happens to us after death. I've studied religion to science, never finding a completely satisfactory answer to my questions. By the age of twenty four, I had pretty much settled into the acceptance of reincarnation. It seemed to make the most sense at the time, but still there were loopholes in the theory that ate away at my brain night after night.

Unfortunately, I was caught in the eye of the "New Age" storm and my questions were regarded as blasphemous to the self-proclaimed new age scholars. They reacted as fearfully to my questions as the mainstream Christians had reacted to them. Their own fearful reaction should have been enough to cue them to thought, but I guess dogma is dogma regardless of the form.

Much of the argument for reincarnation lay in past life regressions, be they psychically or hypnotically induced. Something I've noticed, much to the chagrin of pro reincarnationists, is that after four to five years, if the same subject is regressed again, entirely different sets of past lives surface. Now this could still be feasible were it not for the frequent occurrence of overlapping time periods to the first regression! Then too there are the myriad of cases world-wide of people claiming to be the same personality (i.e., Abe Lincoln, Marie Antoinette, etc...).

Another point of concern were several cases where the supposed past life could actually be historically proven with the exception of minute details. Say a person remembers being Sam St.Clair, who died as a private in the Yankee forces. He served under General Hanes. Once verified, yes, Sam St.Clair did exist and fought for the Yankees in the Civil War, but died as a lieutenant and served under General Pike. Digging further a General Hanes did exist, but he died before St.Clair enlisted. Obviously the facts obtained under hypnosis defy coincidence, but why the scenario discrepancies ?

Now as the eternal optimist (I can believe all kinds of things until disproven) and assuming that these people are not psychologically unbalanced, lying or cheating, I embarked on a mental/spiritual quest to solve these quirks in the reincarnistic mechanism.

Solved or not, I would like to share my spiritual theory that I call "The Illusion of Reincarnation". It's nothing new, only an alternative perception to an ages old idea.

I must admit, even in lieu of doom to my credibility, that my theory was spawned by a lack of sleep over forty-eight hours thanks to my first daughter who was at the time, a colicky newborn. After hallucinating that the coffee table had just strolled across the room, I was impressed that this theory still made remarkable sense after a full night's sleep.

Kicked back in the la-z-boy, which was more duct tape than chair, and rocking my daughter in the cradle beside me to the tunes of MTV™, my mind suddenly went blank. Quite a feat for a woman who had often wished God had installed a shut-off switch for her brain.

It seemed as if I were floating in a void. The only thing I remember being aware of was my existence. I felt, well, non-local. I was inside my head and out in the universe simultaneously.

A light began to form. It took the shape of a circle with a point in the center and a line spanning the diameter. The dot in the middle did not remain stationary. It traveled to any point on the diameter or perimeter, sometimes through motion and other times instantaneously. My "vision" for lack of a better word, then changed. I was watching a man I soon identified as Michelangelo- then DaVinci, then Michelangelo. The shift in scenario occurred several times, intermittently going back to the original circle symbol, whose dot was fluxing between two particular points.

At first, I was very perplexed as to what this odd vision could possibly mean. But then a very simple observation came to light. Michelangelo corresponded to one point on the circle. DaVinci to another. But it was the SAME DOT even though it was shifting position! Also, both points M and D were a part of ONE symbol! At this realization I was catapulted back into conscious awareness.

This was only the first of several mind trips that allowed me to form a theory of expansion and hope that I might at last, perhaps, be comfortable with. What exactly triggered me into these altered states of awareness I cannot guess. I am not into yoga or meditation. Two of these visions came during periods of prolonged sleep deprivation, yet the many others did not. I do not use drugs with the exception of my smoking habit. The ONLY common denominator to these visions was prayer. I would ask God/Great Spirit to allow me the answers to the questions in my mind.

There is only ONE spirit. We are all thought forms in the mind of the one spirit. We are only one spirit, the same spirit which is known as God.

Every thought form has it's own perception. This could be called a Quasi-Existential Plane (QEP) or frequency. Each thought form has the ability to change it's QEP through changing it's perception. This can be as simple as deciding to enjoy a thunderstorm as opposed to fearing it.

Every QEP contains it's own set of patterns that will imprint themselves into the immediate mind of the individual thought form. These patterns can manifest as a set of social contacts, synchronicities, attractions, repulsions, and various sensory and emotional experiences, all geared to promote growth in the individual.

Every QEP carries the possibilities of progression, regression, and stasis. Usually, an individual will flux between two or three QEP's in a learning process between progression and regression. When one, lower QEP is finally eliminated in the individual's growth pattern, a new and higher QEP will be realized. What is called "evil" is actually stasis, or the refusal to grow.

Expansion and contraction are universal laws. Stasis is a cancer in the universal mind. Stasis leads to all our social ills. Progression and regression are mutually cognizant. Within one, resides the other. Each one is a frame of comparative reference.

It is general social stasis that causes natural and unnatural disasters. This is the universal antibody chain that destroys the cancer of stasis. It is personal disaster that destroys stasis in the individual.

Every QEP is a universe unto itself. Changes in QEP are so subtle that they are not, for the most part, perceivable in a physical sense. Even though we transcend space/time with every leap in perception, we remain blatantly unaware of the grand nature of our accomplishment! The universal application of this knowledge is the next stage in the evolution of man.

Reincarnation has been the predominant philosophy of our planet in flux with the single life philosophy of the Christians. These ideas have served their purpose and their time has passed in the universe.

Many people have communicated the idea of "oneness", and yet few seem to grasp how literal the idea is.

"God created man in his own IMAGE". Trace the origin of the word "image" and you will find it to mean "idea". Roget's thesaurus parallels "image" with "archetype". "Image" is the root of IMAGINATION!

Think of science and the "Big Bang" that created the universe. This is not unlike the electro-chemical process that occurs in the human brain when one has an idea.

We are thought forms in the mind of God. There is only ONE spirit (God's spirit) which flows through each one of us. We retain separate identities due to perception, which can be likened to the concept of free will. Individual perception becomes tainted when we close our minds to perceptions unlike our own.

In the beginning, man communicated telepathically by identifying with other perceptions, or accessing other QEP's. Differences were seen as strengths.

Man then stepped into a period of regression. Because of various circumstances, greed entered into their consciousness. The people shut their minds to others and would only communicate with those of like perception. Community and individual ego developed. People separated from each other. They separated into continents, countries, cities, social classes, and tribes. They lost their ability to transcend perception/frequency and because they could not communicate, suspicions and tensions rose between the various communities. The only trace of the original language left were the Shaman born, the maternal instinct, and an occasional link between siblings and friends. We forgot that we are all ONE spirit.

As the world population grew, these communities could not avoid each other. They had to learn to interact. They had forgotten their true language, so they developed the spoken and written languages that could be learned by others.

Now we have broken ourselves to the point of even family. Divorce and broken homes are usually due to a lack of communication. We do not strive to comprehend another's perception, but spend our energy devising ways to elude intrusion into our own perceptions. We have become stagnant in our regression.

We are about to enter a new phase which will catapult us into a state of progression. The symbols of this phase are all around us. We can now communicate with anyone anywhere through phones, computers, and satellites. These devices are merely tools symbolizing the leap we are about to make in consciousness. These tools will soon be unnecessary as we realize our lost language.

The long regression has taught us much. It will imprint into every QEP the bitter taste of war, prejudice, separation and loneliness. It has also taught us the essence of physical nature so that we can better appreciate the complexities of balance, and we will no longer take them for granted.

In the very near future, each of us will perceive several changes of dramatic proportion. These changes will be natural, climatic, political, religious and scientific. The world will seem a kaleidoscope of unpredictable change. These are all signs of a great leap in consciousness.

One of the greatest leaps in consciousness will be concerning the concept of "time". Time itself is a perception of the physical world. Physicists say that the fourth dimension IS time. I believe that TIME is RELATIVE to the dimension in which you reside.

We are all in God's thoughts and God is an infinite number of thought channels, just as the concept of pi relates to my initial circle symbol with it's infinite trail of numbers.

When we speak of past life regression, what we are actually doing is accessing those perceptions closest to our own. The failure in hypnosis to catch this is due to the use of the words such as "past", "regress", "back", etc. Those perceptions are NOW, that is why they are so vivid and instigate such baffling psychological and physiological responses. It is quite possible to progress people into the future in which once again they will access those perceptions closest to their own. Also, on a sobering note, it is possible to hypnotically induce alternate perceptions within the present. This is basically what our psychics, shaman, mothers, etc., do - unaware. They access other perceptions or QEP's.

All of time is NOW. You were not physically another person in another time. You are perceptually akin to other people we perceive as being in another time! This explains many anomalies in the reincarnistic belief.

I personally know three people who under hypnosis claimed to be Abe Lincoln. All three of them could not have physically been Abe Lincoln. However, all three of them could be very like in perception to him, thus accessing his QEP, or momentarily becoming Lincoln!

A final note. According to the New Physics, every possibility that can occur, DOES occur. We live in a multiverse of realities and/or illusions that defy explanation by three dimensional perceptual abilities. So for every decision we make, in an alternate plane of existence our doppelganger takes the decision we could have made. Trying to follow the quantum effects of this would be as futile as devoting one's life to solving pi.

In hypnotic regression, the possibility of accessing other QEP's as well as other quantum signatures, I believe, is a proven reality. This accounts for the scenario discrepancies in historically traceable accounts.

Reincarnation is no more than an illusion of perception.










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[joe dolan]

where did you copy that?

[joe dolan]

sounds like conscious analysis to me... did you experience this??

[roxanna222]

How very very familiar this all is...veils are dropping

[harbingers_kiss]

Had a phone call and my server is slow...

I wrote the article. Copied it from my files.

[ashyr]

NO thats somethign she wrote for a magazine. =D

ill finish reading it shortly.

[joe dolan]

ok, thanks for that. i too will get back to it. im here for knowledge

[joe dolan]

Had a phone call and my server is slow...

I wrote the article. Copied it from my files.
server? you some sort of industry?

[harbingers_kiss]

No, I'm a comp idiot.. I mean my isp or what the hell ever transmits what I want my comp to do to the net.

[ashyr]

the interwebby thing!.


how long exactly does it take for ones head to crown over. or skull cap whatver its called. YUK!> heheheh

[joe dolan]

fuck knows!! is that of relevance? question is..... how is it or that effecting you in the here and now? (which really is all we have)??

[harbingers_kiss]

Exactly 20.4 seconds in standard paint. ;)

[ashyr]

it could be relevant. if its connected with spiritual growth and recognition.

[harbingers_kiss]

oop's I hit submit before my real answer LOL I think it's done in about 2 years, it's been awhile since I've had a baby.

[harbingers_kiss]

Yes, I read somewhere about when the cranium knits...a long time ago, a theory I think about the ability to astral project. I was looking into it because my son used to do it. I'd watch his spirit leave his body when he was an infant.

[ashyr]

thats the relevance i was lookin for =D

[harbingers_kiss]

sorry ashyr, I just explained to someone else, I should not be reading or posting so soon after surgery. My head ain't screwed on right yet. and yet here I am still on the board... :rolleyes:

[infinitetruth]

It is about a year or two - a pretty long time anyways.

Doctors will use any excuse for you to take the medical way out. For instance, did you know that vitamin K is given to the child through the umbilical cord during hours after the birth. Your child would not need a vitamin K injection (1oo times more than what they need with preservatives too) if the umbilical cord wasn't cut so fast after the birth. Perfect way to sell more drugs eh?

Scare tactics is used all the time. I have had 2 kids, both natural and theres nothing wrong with my vagina. LOL Anything to make us feel helpless!

[ashyr]

yeah good info. and they charge for the injection to give you something your mother was about to give you but they said
:"STOP THAT, look here. this is what you need. sweet now your on your way, finger print here, microchips n dip anyone?, signature here, away with you. good buy? have a nice life?

[amerigirl]

anoninnyc -first off congrats on your pregnancy!! I also wanted to say that I breastfed from day one and she's just 16 months and we recently stopped and I had a c-section. I was almost 3wks overdue, naturally induced once and chemically induced twice..NOTHING. So it wasn't that I was "too posh to push", but was thinking of the baby and her heart rate. I dealt w/ "post pardom" depression tooooo long bc I had always dreamed of natural child birth. Also, I only had the painkillers they gave me in the hosipital, I never filled my prescribtion of 150+ others.
That could be another reason to why dr's are pushing it, it messed up the flow of a womans body and makes her imbalanced from having a c-section.

And although its 98% BS probably, my dr said I was too narrow to give birth vaginally?!

[ashyr]

yeah thats crazy aye. "im sorry madam but god stuffed up when he made your body, he made your vage a little tight and you cant give birth sorry, believe me im a doctor, so yeah take these pills and shut up,"

2 years down the track awakening from a slumber and realising it was all BS. follow up the complaints process "Nah what are you talking about you were all whacked up on the drugs we gave you" sorry cant help you!

[roxanna222]

you still practice? what is your speciality?

[ashyr]

Drugs?

[infinitetruth]

Thought you might be interested in this link

http://www.eheart.com/cesarean/leverant.html

[ashyr]

wow that is some very intense and interesting information. so much of that is ringing true.

esp "As a result at the same time the baby emerges into this world he/she is closer to the other world from whence he/she came."

[infinitetruth]

yea, it seems as though there is a lot of substance to this. I very interesting thread ashyr!

[mariag]

I myself was not born into this world.

Just thought i would ask this question. im the fool,yes haha!

who else was not born?


those who know what im refering two will figure it out
I was born like yourself trough c - section so is my two daughters , my son on the other hand is born the natural way so to speak .

[mariag]

None of us have a clue what you're on about. Theres only two ways to come out of the womb, the normal way or by caserian section. Are you saying you where grown in a petre dish? Are you an alien? Cyborg, robot:confused:

No sheis saying that she was born ceserian operation and not vaginal ...