Did you know HE/SHE was a SCIENTOLOGIST?

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Excerpts from the June 1983 Penthouse - Interview with L. Ron Hubbard Jr.

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L. Ron Hubbard, Jr., is a survivor. His appearance on earth, May 7, 1934, was the result of failed abortion rituals by his father, and Ron, after only six and a half months in the womb and at 2.2 pounds entered the world. His mother, Margeret ("Polly") Grubb, was to have one more child, Catherine May, before her husband ditched her in 1946 to enter into a bigamous marriage with Sarah Northrup. [The ex-girlfriend of Jack Parsons (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=26734&postcount=17) ]

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L. Ron Hubbard Jr. aka Ron DeWolf

He claims to recall, at six years, a vivid scene of his father performing an abortion ritual on his mother with a coat hanger. He remembers that when he was ten years old, his father, in an attempt to get his son in tune with his black-magic worship, laced the young hubbard's bubble gum with phenobarbital. Drugs were an important part of Ron Jr.'s growing up, as his father believed that they were the best way to get closer to Satan --the Antichrist of black magic.

Ron Jr. remembers his father as a "broke science-fiction writer" who espoused that the road to riches and glory lay in selling religion to the masses.

It was a dream come true --a science-fiction writer who not only created a world of fantasy but packaged it and sold it as reality.

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L. Ron Hubbard

Penthouse: Didn't your father have any interest in helping people?


Hubbard: No.


Penthouse: Never?


Hubbard: My father started out as a broke science-fiction writer. He was always broke in the late 1940s. He told me and a lot of other people that the way to make a million was to start a religion...


Penthouse: Did he write the book off the top of his head? Did he do any real research?


Hubbard: No research at all. When he has answered that question over the years, his answer has changed according to which biography he was writing... All the examples in the book --some 200 "real-life experiences" --were just the result of his obsessions with abortions and unconscious states... The rest stem from his own secret life, which was deeply involved in the occult and black-magic. That involvement goes back to when he was sixteen, living in Washington. D.C. He got hold of the book by Alistair Crowley called The Book of Law... It was basically an attempt to create an immaculate conception --except by Satan rather than by God. Another important idea was the creation of what they call embryo implants --of getting a satanic or demonic spirit to inhabit the body of a fetus. This would come about as a result of black-magic rituals, which included the use of hypnosis, drugs, and other dangerous and destructive practices. One of the important things was to destroy the evidence if you failed at this immaculate conception. That's how my father became obsessed with abortions. I have a memory of this that goes back to when I was six years old. It is certainly a problem for my father and for Scientology that I remember this. It was around 1939, 1940, that I watched my father doing something to my mother. She was lying on the bed and he was sitting on her, facing her feet. He had a coat hanger in his hand. There was blood all over the place. I remember my father shouting at me. "Go back to bed!" A little while later a doctor came and took her off to the hospital. She didn't talk about it for quite a number of years. Neither did my father.


Penthouse: He was trying to perform an abortion?


Hubbard: According to him and my mother, he tried to do it with me. I was born at six and a half months and weighed two pounds, two ounces. I mean, I wasn't born: this is what came out as a result of their attempt to abort me. It happened during a night of partying --he got involved in trying to do a black-magic number. Also, I've got to complete this by saying that he thought of himself as the Beast 666 incarnate.

Penthouse: The devil?


Hubbard: Yes. The Antichrist. Aleistair Crowley thought of himself as such. And when Crowley died in 1947, my father then decided that he should wear the cloak of the beast and become the most powerful being in the universe.


Penthouse: You were sixteen years old at that time. What did you believe in?


Hubbard: I believed in Satanism. There was no other religion in the house! Scientology and black magic. What a lot of people don't realize is that Scientology is black magic that is just spread out over a long time period. To perform black magic generally takes a few hours or, at most, a few weeks. But in Scientology it's stretched out over a lifetime, and so you don't see it. Black magic is the inner core of Scientology --and it is probably the only part of Scientology that really works. Also, you've got to realize that my father did not worship Satan. He thought he was Satan.



Penthouse: What would happen if someone went to your class, decided it was bullshit, and never came back?


Hubbard: If you signed up for a course and you came to my class, I'd keep you there or go physically retrieve you if you left.


Penthouse: You'd already gotten the money, so why did you bother?


Hubbard: Because I thought I was all-knowing, all-powerful --totally arrogant and egotistical --for one thing. I was quite insufferable.


Penthouse: Your father knew this was going on?


Hubbard: Well, sure. Nobody did a thing in Scientology without his direct knowledge or consent or without his orders.


Penthouse: Did it ever go beyond these physical beatings?


Hubbard: I remember locking one girl up in a shack out in the desert for at least a couple or weeks.


Penthouse: Why were things like this never publicized?


Hubbard: Because the same reign of terror that occurred under Robespierre and Hitler occurred back then in the fifties, as it occurs now. You must realize that there is very little actual courage in this world. It's pretty easy to bend people around. It doesn't take much to shut people up, it really doesn't.


Penthouse: Did it attract young people as much as cults today?


Hubbard: Yes. We attracted quite a few hippies but we tried to stay a way from them, because they didn't have any money.


Penthouse: A poor man can't be a Scientologist?


Hubbard: No, oh no.


Hubbard: Two of the people we were involved with in the late fifties in England were Errol Flynn and a man who was high up in the Labor Party at the time. My father and Errol Flynn were very similar. They were only interested in money, sex, booze, and drugs... He would take anything to bed --boys, girls, Fifty-year-old women, ten-year-old boys, Flynn and my father had insatiable appetites.

Penthouse: And what about this Labor Party official?


Hubbard: He was a double agent for the KGB and for the British intelligence agency. He was also a raging homosexual. He wanted my father to use his black-magic, soul-cracking, brainwashing techniques on young boys. He wanted these boys as his own sexual slaves. He wanted to use my father's techniques to crack people's heads open because he was very influential in and around the British government --plus he was selling information to the Russians. And so was my father.


Penthouse: Your father was selling information to the Soviets?


Hubbard: Yes. That's where my father got the money to buy St. Hill Manor in East Grinstead, Sussex, which is the English headquarters of Scientology today.


Penthouse: Do you know any specific information that the KGB got from your father that might have been harmful to security?


Hubbard: The plans for an infrared heat-seeking missile in the early fifties... There has always been an inordinate interest on the part of Scientology in military and government personnel... They made very good Scientologists. They were very well trained.


Penthouse: Did your father do this just for money?


Hubbard: Yes. The more he made, the more he wanted.


Hubbard: The one super-secret sentence that Scientology is built on is: "Do as thou wilt." That is the whole of the law. It also comes from the black magic, from Alistair Crowley...

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Ordo Templi Orientis (http://www.oto-usa.org/about_oto.html)

...It means that you are a law unto yourself, that you are above the law, that you create your own law. You are above any other human considerations. Since you came into being by an act of will, you can do anything you will. If you decide to go out and kill somebody --bam! --that's it. An act of will. Not connected, to any emotions or feelings, not governed by any ethics or morality or law. They are very vicious people. Totally into attack...


Penthouse: When was the last time your father was seen in public?


Hubbard: Sometime in the sixties he granted an interview to British television. After that he didn't appear in public and just slowly became a recluse. One of the reasons he became a recluse was his own physical and mental condition was deteriorating so badly that he couldn't let the public or the Scientology membership know just what kind of shape he was in. He was a testament to the fact that Scientology didn't work.

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Read Herber Jentzsch's response (http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/penthouse-LRonHubbardJr-interview-1983.htm) to this interview on behalf of the Church of Scientology at the bottom of the article






JERRY SEINFELD
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Jerry Seinfeld said to have converted to Scientology, current status unknown - Source (http://www.adherents.com/people/ps/Jerry_Seinfeld.html)


LISA MARIE PRESLEY
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Lisa Marie Presley (now the whole Michael Jackson thing makes sense)

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Tom Cruise

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Cruise is arguably Hollywood's most outspoken member of the Church of Scientology. He became involved with Scientology in 1990 through his first wife, Mimi Rogers. Cruise has publicly said that Scientology, specifically the L. Ron Hubbard Scientology Study Tech, helped him overcome his dyslexia. However, according to former Scientology Sea Org member Jesse Prince, Cruise expressed intentions of abandoning the religion after nearly suffering a mental breakdown upon being taught about "Incident II" during his Operating Thetan III training. As of 2004 Cruise was near completing or had completed the level of Operating Thetan VII, which usually takes many years. One former Scientologist has suggested that Cruise's increasing frankness regarding Scientology may reflect his self-confidence after finishing most of the OT levels.

By 2003, Tom Cruise had become an active campaigner for Scientology and a promoter of Scientology "Tech" available to non-members. He lobbied politicians in France and Germany, where the legal system regards Scientology as a cult and business respectively. In 2005 the Paris city council revealed that Cruise had lobbied officials Nicolas Sarkozy and Jean-Claude Gaudin, described him as a spokesman and militant for Scientology, and barred any further dealings with him. Cruise co-founded and raised donations for Downtown Medical to offer New York 9/11 rescue workers detoxification therapy based on the works of L. Ron Hubbard. This has drawn criticism from the medical profession, as well as firefighters. For these activities and others, David Miscavige awarded Scientology's Freedom Medal of Valor to Cruise in late 2004.

A controversy erupted in 2005 after he openly criticized actress Brooke Shields for using the drug Paxil, an anti-depressant, to which Shields attributes her recovery from postpartum depression after the birth of her first daughter in 2003. Cruise asserted that there is no such thing as a chemical imbalance, and that psychiatry is a form of pseudoscience. This led to a heated argument with Matt Lauer on The Today Show on June 24, 2005. Brooke Shields responded to Cruise's comments by calling them "irresponsible and dangerous".

In late August of 2006, Cruise apologized in person to Shields for his comments; Shields said that she was "impressed with how heartfelt [the apology] was [...] I didn't feel at any time that I had to defend myself, nor did I feel that he was trying to convince me of anything other than the fact that he was deeply sorry. And I accepted it." Cruise's spokesman confirmed that Cruise and Shields had made up but said that Cruise's position on anti-depressants had not changed. Shields was a guest at Cruise's and Holmes's wedding.

Cruise also said in an Entertainment Weekly interview that psychiatry "is a Nazi science" and that methadone was actually originally called Adolophine after Adolf Hitler, a myth well-known as an urban legend. In an interview with Der Spiegel magazine, Cruise said that "In Scientology, we have the only successful drug rehabilitation program in the world. It's called Narconon... It's a statistically proven fact that there is only one successful drug rehabilitation program in the world. Period". While Narconon claims to have a success rate over 70%, the accuracy of this figure has been widely disputed. Scientology is well-known for its anti-psychiatry stance.

His belief in Scientology has occasionally caused him professional inconvenience. In 2007, the German government banned the makers of the film Valkyrie from filming at military sites "if Count von Stauffenberg is played by Cruise, who has professed to being a member of the Scientology cult", adding that "the Bundeswehr has a special interest in the serious and authentic portrayal of the events of July 20 1944 and Stauffenberg's person".

Source:Tom Cruise - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Danny Masterson (born March 13, 1976)

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That 70's Show

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Brandy (born February 11, 1979) R&B Singer and Actress - Source (http://www.adherents.com/largecom/fam_scientologist.html)

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Greta Van Susteren (born June 11, 1954)

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After the facelift (dramatic change IMHO) - Source (http://www.adherents.com/largecom/fam_scientologist.html)

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Jason Lee (born April 25, 1970)

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My Name Is Earl actor, and professional skateboarder - Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Lee_%28actor%29#Personal_life)

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Jenna Elfman (born September 30, 1971) -Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenna_Elfman#Personal_life)

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Dharma & Greg actress - Jenna's Official Site (http://www.jennaelfman.com/)

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Juliette Lewis (born June 21, 1973)

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Actress and Singer - Juliette & The Licks (http://www.julietteandthelicks.com/)

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Ethan Suplee (born May 25, 1976)

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My Name Is Earl actor - Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethan_Suplee#Personal_life)

Incidentally, Ethan is married to Juliette Lewis's sister, also a Scientologist. Juliette has appeared on the popular TV sitcom, My Name Is Earl, and so has her father Geoffrey Lewis. Keep it in the family eh?

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James Packer

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Shot at 2007-07-10



The executive chairman of PBL and heir to Australia's richest fortune is believed to have turned to the secretive organisation in an attempt to regain control of his life after suffering a crisis of confidence following the collapse of his marriage.

Scientology members include some of the world's most powerful film stars, among them Tom Cruise and John Travolta.

In recent weeks Mr. Packer has been attending self-help training sessions and has been seen at the Church's Dundas campus.

On Friday, Mr. Packer's office did not return calls concerning the inquiry, and no-one was prepared to confirm reports that he is being counselled.

The Church has pulled a protective veil around its newest follower. "If anyone becomes a member, he would be entitled to his privacy," Scientology spokesman Cyrus Brooks said on Friday.

But according to other Church sources Mr. Packer, 35, has undertaken so-called auditing sessions in self-help and personal improvement. These sessions are designed to help build self-confidence, explain why personal relationships fail and assist people to reach their full potential.

It is understood Mr. Packer was introduced by Hollywood actor Tom Cruise.

The PBL chief has developed a friendship with Los Angeles-based Cruise, who is an advocate of the Church's doctrine.

Friends said the bond between the two men strengthened in the wake of the collapse of telephony company One.Tel last year and his separation from wife Jodhi in June.

Mr. Packer has travelled frequently this year to Los Angeles, where the Church's lavish Celebrity Centre has its headquarters. He has been attending counselling sessions lasting two to three hours a couple of times a week in Sydney.

Mr. Packer has employed a Scientologist as his personal assistant at his home in Bondi. Her role is to manage his house.

The heir to a $7billion fortune, Mr. Packer has been sighted at the Dundas campus, regarded as the Church's key Sydney educational facility and home to many of its ministers and teachers.

The Church's Sydney headquarters at Castlereagh Street in the CBD is only metres from PBL's Park Street base.

The Church offers instruction on everything from self-esteem to business management. Mr. Packer has not enrolled in any business management courses but is thought to be concentrating on learning to present himself and make a greater impact on people around him.

The Church, founded by science-fiction writer L Ron Hubbard, encourages loyalty by offering back-to-back courses to recruits battered by life experiences. "Once you do one course, there is always another," said one former member who did not wish to be named. "That's how the Church makes its money. By charging for each subsequent course."

Other celebrity members include singer Kate Ceberano, Elvis Presley's daughter Lisa Marie Presley and actors Kirstie Alley and Jenna Elfman.

A separate order exists for celebrities. Known as C-Org (celebrity organisation) it offers exclusive counselling and extra privacy.

It is understood Mr. Packer is being counselled within the C-Org order.

The Church's website claims the organisation can help "reunite a father and a son."

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/11/23/1037697937276.html

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Re: James Packer

What a complete sucker! Heir to Billions, that's why he's receiving such special treatment. If you read the interview at the beginning of this thread, it's absolutely clear that this thing was founded by, and based on the Satanism, and that it was created for the sake of making money. That's it! It appeals to those that cannot find strength from within. It's a false crutch, and it seems that a lot of people turn to Scientology during a time of need. Perfect victims.

"You must realize that there is very little actual courage in this world." - L. Ron Hubbard Jr.




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That news story was from 2002, his father Kerry has since passed on so James is now the wealthiest man in Australia(that we know of).
James was married last month and the rumor was that Tom Cruise acted as celebrant.

Tom Cruise to wed Packers?
TOM Cruise has attained the highest level of "clear" in Scientology - just in time for the Packer nuptials tomorrow afternoon - and it has been suggested he is the minister who will conduct the wedding ceremony.
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,21930752-5001026,00.html

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Giovanni Ribisi and his twin sister Marissa Ribisi (born December 17, 1974)

Giovanni Ribisi - Appeared a few times on My Name Is Earl and as Phoebe's brother on Friends
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Giovanni's twin sister, Marissa, seen here with Jason Lee (My Name Is Earl)

Here's a photo of Marissa with her friend Juliette Lewis in the movie Some Girls
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MY NAME IS EARL

The show has popped up over and over again during this thread, so it has prompted me to research it further. Other than the two primary actors being Scientologists, the other thing that I found remarkable is that this show is aired in at least 40 COUNTRIES!

Maybe I'm naive, but that's quite a lot. Yes, it's a funny show, but I lost interest after just a few episodes. Dunno...maybe I'm missing something :rolleyes:

I'm sure there's more to be found, but it's midnight and I'm done for the evening... If anyone else has the scoop on it, please post!

Graf, you know the movie industry?

[thomascovenant]

I thought "my name is Earl" was contrived and unfunny.

What is funny is that there are no scientologists on welfare.

[graflok]

^ Sorry, I don't know a thing about this show and never saw a single episode.
(Mainstream sitcoms are usually so bad I avoid them like the plague.)
All I know is it's supposed to have high viewer ratings. From the little
I've read about it, it looks like a show that promotes sleazy ethics/morals
by making it look funny. This seems to be the latest push with mainstream
TV -- erosion of family and moral standards.

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I thought "my name is Earl" was contrived and unfunny.

What is funny is that there are no scientologists on welfare.

Haha, yeah cos you can't be a Scientologist unless you're rich! LOL!

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Geoffrey Quentin McCaully Hubbard (6 January 1954 – 12 November 1976)
Death by Suicide

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Painfully oppressed by his Satanic father, L. Ron Hubbard, all Quentin Hubbard wanted to do was to be a pilot, but his father refused. Quentin was homosexual and apparently homosexuality is taboo in Scientology. He was forced to live a lie to appease his father. He apparently ended the nightmare the only way he knew how - he gassed himself in his car.

Interesting reading here (http://www.xenu-directory.net/victims/hubbard1.html)


One source critical of the Church of Scientology suggested that Quentin was murdered by Scientologists because he was gay and was planning to leave the Church to go to flight training school.

Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quentin_Hubbard#Controversy)

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The John Roecker Incident

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John Roecker is an independent film director wearing his controversial T-shirt


June 12, 2006 John Roecker sent an email to Andreas Heldal-Lund who owns Operation Clambake about a screaming encounter with Bodhi and Jenna Elfman. Andreas posted the email (with permission) to alt.religion.scientology

". . . I was walking to my car in a t- shirt that I made that has an image of Tom Cruise and the caption says Scientology is Gay! And on the Back of the shirt is a picture of John Travolta and the caption reads Very Gay! So as I passed a shirtless Bohdi Elfman and he started screaming at me saying how dare you make fun of my church! . . .

Then Jenna started to pipe in and asked me What Crimes I had Committed? I said I have not committed any crimes. She stared at me like a zombie and said the same thing. What crimes have I committed and then said have you Raped a baby? . . .

I kept on asking him about Xenu and he was about to punch me but he hesitated because they were another man who when instructed by the both of them would walk away and cover his ears when I asked them about L. Ron Hubbard's involvement with Alister Crowley, Xenu and the death of Lisa McPherson. After a ten minute scream session when Bohdi said all he does is help people and why was I against that and Jenna kept on asking What is my crime...

I shouted I know what your crime is. You make shitty Television Shows. Which Jenna screamed back "FUCK YOU"!

True Story and I have a witness!"

The story "When Elfmans Explode" was reported at TMZ.com. According to TMZ.com, Jenna and Bodhi Elfman reportedly approached independent Roecker on a street in Los Feliz, California because of a shirt Roecker was wearing that ridiculed Scientology and Scientologists Tom Cruise and John Travolta.

Jenna Elfman loudly asked Roecker what crimes he has committed and was so agitated that she continued, "Have you raped a baby?" This story was picked up by About.com, which is published by The New York Times Company. The story was also reported on by Jeannette Walls on MSNBC, and was further elaborated upon by Cline. MSNBC quoted a source that stated: "It’s one of the questions Scientologists are asked by Scientology leaders when they’ve misbehaved."

Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Roecker#Encounter_with_Jenna_Elfman)






Covering your ears so not hear that Hubbard was involved with Crowley? How brainwashed are these people? Jesus!!!

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Juliette Lewis (born June 21, 1973)

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Actress and Singer - Juliette & The Licks (http://www.julietteandthelicks.com/)

That's a real shame about Juliette Lewis because I've had the horn over her for years. Dammit woman !!!!:(

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Forget the propaganda, look at the SYMBOLS. Everything is revealed.

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Logo of Jesuits International:

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It is all Saturn worship.

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/8436/saturnshamashtt4.gif

From the other Scientology thread (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4311&page=8)

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That's a real shame about Juliette Lewis because I've had the horn over her for years. Dammit woman !!!!:(

:D

[thomascovenant]

I was born and raised as a catholic until I decided to rebel at about age 10.The whole "faith" is founded on fear.

If catholics are afraid, then scientologists are shitting themselves.Never seen such obviously defensive mechanisms.These people are doomed.

[thomascovenant]

That's a real shame about Juliette Lewis because I've had the horn over her for years. Dammit woman !!!!:(

Not sure if this is allowed, i`ve heard her being interviewed and she`s mentally retarded.

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I was born and raised as a catholic until I decided to rebel at about age 10.The whole "faith" is founded on fear.

If catholics are afraid, then scientologists are shitting themselves.Never seen such obviously defensive mechanisms.These people are doomed.

Unless we can help to free them from it's stranglehold. :)

[klinker]

Not sure if this is allowed, i`ve heard her being interviewed and she`s mentally retarded.

Rofl. And your point is? :D

[celtic isis]

That's a real shame about Juliette Lewis because I've had the horn over her for years. Dammit woman !!!!:(

yeah, i wouldn't go so far as saying i ha a horn for her lol but i used to like her as an actress, ah i'm disapointed now...and for giovanni ribisisi too...:(

Juliette lewis was also born on the summer solstice...

[celtic isis]

From the other Scientology thread (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4311&page=8)

bloody hell now that is interesting...:eek: jesuits and all.

[klinker]

yeah, i wouldn't go so far as saying i ha a horn for her lol but i used to like her as an actress, ah i'm disapointed now...and for giovanni ribisisi too...:(

Juliette lewis was also born on the summer solstice...

Giovani is a bit of a let down too but was he not pissing his life away on drugs and booze at one point?

[celtic isis]

Giovani is a bit of a let down too but was he not pissing his life away on drugs and booze at one point?

Probably lol :rolleyes:

i just liked the guy but well,he's obviously a dumbass and a brainwashed dumbass at that. :D

how do they get sucked into these things, i guess it gets them places networking...

[klinker]

Probably lol :rolleyes:

i just liked the guy but well,he's obviously a dumbass and a brainwashed dumbass at that. :D

how do they get sucked into these things, i guess it gets them places networking...

Just like all of us there is a need to relate and feel like we belong in the sleepy narrow minded world we are indoctrinated into. Celebs are no different except most of them don't mix with the great unwashed. They stick with their own. Hollywood also appears to have been infiltrated over the years.

[celtic isis]

Just like all of us there is a need to relate and feel like we belong in the sleepy narrow minded world we are indoctrinated into. Celebs are no different except most of them don't mix with the great unwashed. They stick with their own. Hollywood also appears to have been infiltrated over the years.

yep i guess that's it.

[chicken_little]

Add Catherine Bell to the list. :( I really had a thing for her when I used to watch the show J.A.G. regularly. I recently learned she's in this cult though, and my opinion of her has definitely changed for the worst. I still admire her physical beauty though. :D

http://www.moviespoint.com/image/catherine-bell-gl10.jpg

[klinker]

Let's not forget that Cruise has been courting the Beckhams for the last couple of years. Is Beckham the perfect new recruit to scientology? The Beckhams are both universally popular and David Beckham in particular has massive appeal the world over. Brain washing and mind controlling these two will not be difficult.

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Scientology - South Park Style

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Tom Cruise, come out of the closet please (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAmEO-oLHzA)






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[celtic isis]

Let's not forget that Cruise has been courting the Beckhams for the last couple of years. Is Beckham the perfect new recruit to scientology? The Beckhams are both universally popular and David Beckham in particular has massive appeal the world over. Brain washing and mind controlling these two will not be difficult.

haha you're right there klinker, and beckham is known to be quite an obsessive, sinister character, as is his missus. How can people look up to these pathetic insecure materialistic dimwitted false people??? They have NOTHING to offer anyone only to keep the sheeple blindly following them. :confused: Well there's the purpose, i just answered my own question! :rolleyes:

bloody hell, they're first class recruits to scientology. Anyone know what's going on with katie holmes now? :confused:

[binhdinh_khiwarrior]

What is funny is that there are no scientologists on welfare.[/QUOTE]



Oh great...next we're gonna have a religion based around lister being God, and holy water- beer milkshake....fuckin smegheads...;)

[adamadam]

Cool stuff. I just found out that Paul Haggis of Crash and Million Dollar fame is a Scientologist. It's no coincidence that many Scientologists are very successful.

[synergy777]

i think people hate beckham because of envy. he is a working class lad, who through years of hardwork has made it, when other teenagers were getting pissed, having asbos, getting pregnant etc, he was training, working on his craft. jealously of people's success in this country of england is rampant. it merely reflects the true character of people/haters not beckhams. the haters can hate, it only damages themselves and only sweetens the joy.

he has everything, a wife, kids, career, and people hate why? oh he's not intelligent, classify intelligence? oh he's materialistic, no, he earns loads, and with good accounting, he writes half of his stuff off as tax, its just hate/envy, i think beckham is class, humble for who he is, people will always hate others happiness, the only problem with beckham is your envy reflecting. he does charity work, he has soccer schools, you can tell he is a good soul.

don't hate the playa, hate the game, lol

[adamadam]

i think beckham is class, humble for who he is, people will always hate others happiness, the only problem with beckham is your envy reflecting. he does charity work, he has soccer schools, you can tell he is a good soul.

Right synergy- approximately 80% of the population are decent, social people who can tell David Beckham is a decent, hardworking guy.

Approximately 20% of the population just want people to be smaller, less successful, less able, more miserable etc, and they get angriest at people who do good work and help people become more able, happy successful etc.

[bigus_dickus]

Cool stuff. I just found out that Paul Haggis of Crash and Million Dollar fame is a Scientologist. It's no coincidence that many Scientologists are very successful.

and many satanists as well, to say an example.

since you seem to know who is successful and who is not, tell me, how you define success and which religious groups are not successful by your terms?

[eternal_spirit]

Right synergy- approximately 80% of the population are decent, social people who can tell David Beckham is a decent, hardworking guy.

Approximately 20% of the population just want people to be smaller, less successful, less able, more miserable etc, and they get angriest at people who do good work and help people become more able, happy successful etc.
............

Don't forget those who live in poverty and struggle to survie, I'm one of those people. Why the hell should the rich have so much? It's not jealousy , maybe to some. But yes poverty is a reality in the UK.

He has an easy life does little and get's paid huge amounts of money, whilst others work long hours and get little in return for their efforts, that's the real issue here.

If you had a list of rich people I bet nearly all of them are Masons or part of some club, cult, religion etc.

[synergy777]

adam cheers bro. es i know there is poverty but its not beckhams fault is it? its the govt/financial institutions, not beckhams. beckham they say earns loads, really, hollywood actors earn more, and they make shit films. upper classes have imherited wealth from their robber baron ancestors, mp's from corporate kickbacks, etc. beckhams career is from years of work, training, looking after himself, his parents supporting him etc. beckhma never fucked anyone over, stole peoples, pensions, future did he? all this focus on footballers, why? they are from a working class background, and enjoy their success. when its middle/upper class twats that have titles, etc who have done nothing, oh they are blueblood, royalty, people kiss their inbred arses.

its the class divide. even in the mail, they had a article on the posh twats saying working class people are destroying horse racing etc. the upper class snobs don't complain making their wealth off the labour of the working classes, but when they want to enjoy the same things, then they object, funny that.

why don't people object to politicians, bluebloods, hedge fund mangers, who rob you of your pensions, and earn fat bonuses? why it couldn't be due to their class could it? picking easy targets is a feel good exercise, focussing on the real culprits, thats far more difficult isn't it. i never hear people saying, mps, ooh they have shafted us with their corporate kickbacks, oh wheres the govt protection for mis-selling of mortages, pensions etc. people pick on easy targets to ensure easy victories.

see the elite love it, they get us dumbfucks to hate eachother, to argue over the scraps they feed us, whilst they ship offshore, buy houses abroad, send their kids to oxbridge, get the fat city jobs, media jobs increase their wealth, whilst dangling the carrot of their lifestyle in front of you, getting you to sell yourself for a little piece, its jokes. we are like pigs on the farm fighting for food, whilst they fatten us up, to sell us later, lol

beckham is a legend, don' hate.

[adamadam]

Right - and you often get people accusing others of the thing they're conscious of doing themselves (like not deserving the money they earn).

[branjo]

That's a real shame about Juliette Lewis because I've had the horn over her for years. Dammit woman !!!!:(

I wouldn't give a fuck if she was an ex KGB spy, I'd be up that like a rat up a drain pipe :D

[dedicate]

The way I see it Scientology is not a religion, though it is said to be one by the people and govenment (like they know). At best it is a behaviour therapy. That's it. A secular school of betterment.

Litmus test for religion...,,, --

Roots of the teaching can be traced back through a long line of teachers and teachings.. some giants.

Truely enlightened individuals have resulted in the following of the religion.. Paramahamsa Yoganada (Hinduism), Suzuki Roshi (Zen), St.Francis (Christianity)... many more to list.

God ordained (hard to proove?). Moved onward and pushed forward not so much by the efforts of man, as by the will of God.

Are there others?/ Why say Scientology is a religion?/////// But here are three tests. Obviously Scientology has not been around long enough to determing it's true nature,,, but considering it's founder (who does not appear to be a Saint in any way shape or form) and there have been no real enlightenments going on within the organization.. (I saw John Travolta on T.V Ellen the other day, and he is just a guy with a lot of mony and fame. Does not promote an enlightened view of society. In fact he was promoting some foolish looking movie like it was the best thing going). ... I say, "Not a religion." Keep your money and look to more traditional soul journeys... or if you are looking to just better your life, there are many other just as valid ways and means.

[kasalt]

The way I see it Scientology is not a religion, though it is said to be one by the people and govenment (like they know)...Why say Scientology is a religion?

It might have something to do with the fact that Scientology calls itself a religion:
"Hubbard characterized Scientology as a religion and in 1953 incorporated the Church of Scientology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia in New Jersey." (Source: Scientology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )

[dedicate]

Calling oneself something does not make it so. But if they want to say so, I don't argue with them.

[branjo]

I admit that I know sweet diddly about Scientology, I heard it was made up by Hubbard as a bet, but I don't know that for a fact, haven't got any wish to study it neither.

I am not a follower of it, or any religion, but is there absolutely nothing in Scientology that actually could be valid? No shred of corroborating information of ancient scripture that could simply be a matter of different names or origins?

[dedicate]

Those are good questions banjo.

Is there absolutely nothing in Scientology that actually could be valid?

There could be a lot of good things -- valid things -- about Scientology. From what I've heard, they are much interested in cleaning people's bodies of all poisons and getting people off all drugs. They also seem to have a good perspective on freedom and indivual rights ( the rights of the person)... even the rights of criminals in prisons which most of society ignores. Maybe some of these good things they represent is the reason there is so much presented against them?

No shred of corroborating information of ancient scripture that could simply be a matter of different names or origin?

Not that I know of. As far as I know it is the creation of L Ron Hubbard,, and has no direct links to an age old religion. In other words, I think you are asking,, is this Scientology the recent manefestation of some lost lineage.? I don't think so. But I try to remain open on this. Stranger things have happened.-- but not much stranger.


P.S. I do know they are not totally honest about the books they publish. About 8 years ago they rewrote and expanded all of Hubbard's books,, but fail to mention this anywhere , -- the introduction, the jacket, and even on the title page. No mention of "Revised edition". A new copyrite date is the only clue. But often a new coyrite is put on a book without revision, so they not mentioning the books having been revised without the author's knowledge and giving no credit to any revisor.. is suspicious. Was Hubbard wrong about some things,, and are they trying to cover it up? Or are they just adding new information to what Hubbard was saying? Then why not keep the original writing intact and add a second volume? Because the new findings will contradict Hubbards original findings? and the teacher/interviewer will have to say to the student,,, "ignore that chapter"?

PSS.. I might also add there is a great push currently to sell the books they have in stock. This may be because they have a "New and improved" line of books on the way.

[1776]

Scientology, UFO's & Aliens Exposed

Scientology UFO's & Aliens Exposed - YouTube

[kasalt]

Those are good questions banjo.

Is there absolutely nothing in Scientology that actually could be valid?

There could be a lot of good things -- valid things -- about Scientology. From what I've heard, they are much interested in cleaning people's bodies of all poisons and getting people off all drugs. They also seem to have a good perspective on freedom and indivual rights ( the rights of the person)... even the rights of criminals in prisons which most of society ignores. Maybe some of these good things they represent is the reason there is so much presented against them?

Doubt it:

The Un-Funny TRUTH about Scientology - YouTube

[branjo]

Doubt it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCGP-0545EU

Ok well that was fucking freaky.

[metacomet]

Good thread.

That first interview was very, very serious.

[1776]

Doubt it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCGP-0545EU

I agree, this is no laughing matter... Scientology members know the real truth of the Nephilim/Fallen Ones, and are actually working with them, from what I have gathered. They put out a lot of propaganda, even to their own lower ranking "members" to spread the myths and lies as to not have everyone in the know about it all.

[kasalt]

Scientology members know the real truth of the Nephilim/Fallen Ones, and are actually working with them, from what I have gathered.

Fast forward to time 9:20 in this documentary. An ex-Scientologist says that as part of a training exercise, she was required to stare into the eyes of her Scientology trainer for over an hour. During this time, she saw him shapeshift:

http://www.youtube.com/v/rD9bCdHqU3s

Of course, she dismisses it as hallucination, but I think there was something slightly more to it than that.

[branjo]

A very dangerous cult indeed.

[steevo]

I am not into scientology (or any religion or cult) but I like how scientology is against the pharmaceutical companies. Giving a belief a LABEL (such as "scientology", "athiest", "anachist") is dangerous. Dont be labelled.