encouraging our children to be 'free thinkers'

[purple is a fruit]

Being a parent these days is more of a challenge than ever before, especially when one is aware of the world and the illusion that it is.

My son(10) came home from school yesterday and told me that the teacher gave the whole class worksheets on the dangers of smoking. Filling their heads full of shite about how it will kill you, and of course, programming all the children in the class to go home and hassle the crap out of their parents if they happen to smoke, and trying to make them feel guilty, etc etc...all part of the mass indoctrination which is our schooling system.

Well I am pleased to inform that my son made a stand yesterday.:D Challenged his fat, unhealthy, coke drinking teacher about this topic. He refused to do the worksheet, and debated with his teacher in front of the entire class, telling him that he is a 'repeater' and that we get in this world what we focus on, and he would prefer to focus on the 'postive'and not the 'negative' and that smoking will only kill you if you are programmed to believe that it does.

His teacher argued with him about this but in the end left my son to his own devices, apparently lost for words, My son spent the hour drawing while the kids did the worksheets. OH MY GOD I wish I was a fly on the wall to witness that! I am a proud mum, and it is refreshing to me that I am managing to teach my son to be a free thinker. He also regularly points out scalar and chemtrails to his mates and teachers, and then proceeds to do his best to awaken them to the reality of this world.

Are other parents having similar experiences with their own children? They are faced with such severe programming and indoctrination in the school system. I am finding myself having to undo much of the damage in the evenings instead of doing the 4 hours worth of homework they send home each evening. But it IS working and he IS getting it.

Would love to hear the thoughts here of other parents.....

Love to all
Purple

[thirdwave]

im sorry purple although I agree with allot of what your kid said in general... and I know you know the score... but smoking is shite... no its not my opinion... smoking smells, it poisons your body and its addictive, does nothing for your awareness or mind and anyone who says otherwise is only saying it because they are addicted to it and if they were to be totally honest with them self's they would hold their hands up and say its a shit habit ...wastes money, makes you unfit, and gives you a far greater chance of getting cancer. yes the mind and thought is what its about.... but I don't think that when you smoke a cig your subconscious is focused on heeling your body or on well being... push a cigarette up to any animals face and see if they warm to it or pull away. I am fully behind the smoking ban in public.... if people want to put poison in their bodies ok, but others should not have to breath it in... sorry, I know this probably sounds really annoying to some but its true...


*taking cover*

[soglad]

Your son sounds like a legend!

It sounds like you're doing a good job parenting! Your children are in a very good position to be able to filter out this bullshit instead of waking up at 30 and finding it really hard, especially with taxes, mortgage and the usual ball & chains.

Tell him he's a legend! :cool:

[purple is a fruit]

you are entitled to your opinion TW, my point was.....about teaching children to be free thinkers, he is entitled to think in any way he chooses. All of which you mention above is purely indoctrination. If you believe smoking will kill you....it will. Simple.You dont have to like it, that was not my point. This thread was about more than just smoking. It is about opening up young minds to the crap they are faced with in school and the world. it will be my sons choice as tho whether he smokes. As it is mine as to whether I do. He is also quite within his right to challenge any way of thought. As is anybody. I would like to see all the studies please about smoking causing cancer, and then a breakdown of who did these studies.Or maybe you yourself believe everything you are told in the media. Yes THE MIND IS WHAT IT IS ABOUT.That was the point.

The same could be said for alcohol........This too can be seen as a poison to the body and society...but we are free to THINK in any way we want. And not just in the way the PTB want us too.

No need to take cover love, you can express yourself in any way you want to, as can my son and everyone else.

Love
Purple

[purple is a fruit]

I just might add here too, this teacher is the very same guy who's wife walked out and left him with their kids because he is an alcoholic. Yet he is repeating crap to my son about the dangers of smoking....HE TOO IS A SMOKER. LOL this world is so insane.

* purple exits house, and lights up a ciggy and lifts her middle finger to the PTB and their indoctrination techniques*

[purple is a fruit]

Your son sounds like a legend!

It sounds like you're doing a good job parenting! Your children are in a very good position to be able to filter out this bullshit instead of waking up at 30 and finding it really hard, especially with taxes, mortgage and the usual ball & chains.

Tell him he's a legend! :cool:

I do every day:D

As for the parenting, I just do my best to encourage him to open his mind to all possibility and to question everything. I dont force my views on him, I let him form his own conclusions.

Love
Purple

[21_12_2012]

If all parents where like you, this sick system would collapse overnight...

Excellent stuff...you're an example to all parents :)

(lights a smoke up in agreement :) )

[thirdwave]

you are entitled to your opinion TW, my point was.....about teaching children to be free thinkers, he is entitled to think in any way he chooses. All of which you mention above is purely indoctrination. If you believe smoking will kill you....it will. Simple.You dont have to like it, that was not my point. This thread was about more than just smoking. It is about opening up young minds to the crap they are faced with in school and the world. it will be my sons choice as tho whether he smokes. As it is mine as to whether I do. He is also quite within his right to challenge any way of thought. As is anybody. I would like to see all the studies please about smoking causing cancer, and then a breakdown of who did these studies.Or maybe you yourself believe everything you are told in the media. Yes THE MIND IS WHAT IT IS ABOUT.That was the point.

The same could be said for alcohol........This too can be seen as a poison to the body and society...but we are free to THINK in any way we want. And not just in the way the PTB want us too.

No need to take cover love, you can express yourself in any way you want to, as can my son and everyone else.

Love
Purple



yes to much alcohol is also shit... my point is I think your kid should totally have the right to make his own choices... but kids should be educated properly... and I think kids should know that if they smoke it will effect their health, poison their lungs.... and the longer they do it the harder it will become to stop... at least they should be told that this has been the case with a vast amount of smokers.... and its addictive.

lets not forget that the government has made MILLIONS from people smoking, and it has taken this many years for them to make it harder for people to smoke... I doubt they would make up the fact that it gives you cancer this is just common knowledge now and the most basic of doctor could discover this.... if they had their way they would have people think that Beer and Fags are the best things for spiritual enlightenment..... they are both legal because they are the two drugs that do absolutely nothing for you... don't get me wrong... I also think kids should be taught that some drugs can actually be used of benefit and we can grow and learn from them, if done in moderation..... My view is the teacher is right to tell the pupils of the dangers of smoking... ok it would be great if they teach them about the LOA as well.... but there you go.

[freespark]

What a lovely story...and i am proud of the little guy too! :)

Well done Purple Fruits! :D It seems you have done a marvelous job!!

[21_12_2012]

I agree to an extent that the 'possible' dangers of smoking should be highlighted, as with all other forms of 'drug'. And, as thirdwave said, the law of attraction, if that was taught too it would bring it all into balance to an extent.

I had problems with drugs (mainly weed) for 20 years until i stopped everything a few years ago (except tobacco). I hardly even drink beer (never have liked the effects).

Even though tobacco is addictive, 'drugs' are a different matter (mind altering drugs i mean). Nicotine is addictive, but also its the chemicals in cigarettes which i think make them even more addictive, but at least they're not mind-alteringly addictive.

Tobacco in it's purest form has been used by shaman for centuries to cure all kinds of diseases, and it supposedly puts a person more in touch with their spirit, althought todays manufactured cigarettes are full of lethal chemicals (i do not smoke them, i roll my own).

I look forward to a cigarette. I gave up for 2 months earlier this year and i missed having a cigarette, so i started again, and I'm glad i did because i have no other 'vices'. For me its a pleasure and it seems to help my day go better.

If more people were using tobacco in its more pure form, the majority of bad health effects would disappear, but sadly nobody is taught about that.

[amerigirl]

Thanks Purple, I've often thought of bringing this subject up as well. So I'm glad you did, and what an *awesome* example your son made! Hopefully he sparked a few minds in the classroom too.

My daughter is only 16 months old but obvsiously I've often thought of how I will raise her emotionally. I hardly think she'll be able to let go of the freethinking aspect as that is what she'll grow up with. At least I'd like to think not. Right now I'm just enjoying being a "mommy" and giving her good nutrition to help with her physical well-being and (hopefully) giving her the best nurturing we can so her emotional well-being is taken care of.

However, I almost dread the thought of having to be a "parent". At the present time I would say I'm in the "reaction" stage of my awakening, if you'd compare it to PRS, lol. I need to let go of the "high" I feel of shopping for the latest Coach bag and dressing her head to toe in Gymboree (maybe I didn't play w/ enough dolls as a child?! lol) and many other things. But I'm getting there, as I don't want her exposed to such things that are useless in the "big picture", but I also want her to have a positive outlook and self confidence. Uggh. Troubles!!
Sorry for the book! Basically I wanted to say...good job!! Any tips?!? :)

[soglad]

You see what people are giving out about in Tobacco and Hash is that they are giving out mainly about BAD quality stuff. Good quality hash is fine (REAL hash) and wouldn't produce the side affects we are seeing today. Mainly because the absolutely terrible grade hash being sold had oil, rubber, plastic, henna, flour and all sorts of shit too bulk it up, of course smoking that is going to damage you! Because of it being illegal it harms us more.

But as for Tobacco, the big companies turn them into chemical sticks. They are nothing like real tobacco, which is a different thing all together.

[dondaz]

Hi purple, I love your constant variety of avatars. Always pleasing to my eyes.

Great thread too.

I totally agree with you on this schooling issue. My son is 8 and gives his teachers a few answers they don't expect, especially controlled religions. His teachers do get a bit frustrated with him when he quotes the great Morphius line; "But Morphius, not everyone believes as you."

"My belief doesn't require them too!"

The teachers have spoken to me about this and I tell them it's a good lesson to teach their own children.

You should see their faces:D

My daughter is six and tells me she believes in god, but god is inside us and not in a church.

I want my kids to be free thinkers but it is hard to teach them the rights things when I have so very few answers.

Is it a constant battle trying to repair the damage done by these schools?

I don't know, but I guess I'll find this out as they get older.

[lottie]

i think its great purps- your boy sounds ace!! sounds like you are doin a great job of parenting!!

i think lookfar should step in here and say something coz her boy is only young but he's so switched on, for his age he's so balanced and she is similar to you, she's just honest with him and allows him to make up his own mind on things! he's a credit to her as im sure your boy is to you! :)

it's great for kids to finally start to grow up with an honest perspective of the world instead of strong indoctrination and the deception marring your views!:):cool:

[limelady]

im sorry purple although I agree with allot of what your kid said in general... and I know you know the score... but smoking is shite... no its not my opinion... smoking smells, it poisons your body and its addictive, does nothing for your awareness or mind and anyone who says otherwise is only saying it because they are addicted to it and if they were to be totally honest with them self's they would hold their hands up and say its a shit habit ...wastes money, makes you unfit, and gives you a far greater chance of getting cancer. yes the mind and thought is what its about.... but I don't think that when you smoke a cig your subconscious is focused on heeling your body or on well being... push a cigarette up to any animals face and see if they warm to it or pull away. I am fully behind the smoking ban in public.... if people want to put poison in their bodies ok, but others should not have to breath it in... sorry, I know this probably sounds really annoying to some but its true...


*taking cover*

I can still get you even under cover TW hehehe....:D

But seriously, I think you missed the whole point of purple's post. You see the moment we say its "O.K." to allow the schooling system to indoctrinate our children in such a manner (for what ever reason they've decided it needs to happen) that's the day we give away our childrens and our own rights to make up our own minds about the personal choices we make. Next they'll be asking children to squeel to authorities by reporting their smoker parents. What next? Will parents be dragged off to involuntary smoking reform camps? Will smoking be consider 'abusive parenting' and will the state have the right to remove children from their parent and place them in state-run children's homes?

If we allow such things to slip by, there will be more to come for sure. How would you feel if your found out at school the children were being taught the dangers of rock music, hip-hop, R & B, and instead encouraged to listen to ONLY Mozart or Beethoven because the school system deems it "safer" for your child's health? I'm sure if I had 10 minutes to spare I could come up with a solid case as to why hip-hop is dangerous to a childs mental and physical health (real or imagined), but does this mean the school has the right to program diversity and the right to choose out of our kids?

You are entitled to your own views on smoking thirdwave, but whether the topic is anti-smoking or something else being forced down kids necks, it is indoctrination (as opposed to education) when your kids are only ever thumped at with one side of a very skewed story. It is further indoctrination (programming) when children are sent home to further indctrinate parents and guilt them with the same skewed version of reality.

Haven't we all had enough of the state pushing their way into our lives? I say "enough"!


Ah you can come out from under the bed now TW....I'm done :D


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[purple is a fruit]

yes to much alcohol is also shit... my point is I think your kid should totally have the right to make his own choices... but kids should be educated properly... and I think kids should know that if they smoke it will effect their health, poison their lungs.... and the longer they do it the harder it will become to stop... at least they should be told that this has been the case with a vast amount of smokers.... and its addictive.

lets not forget that the government has made MILLIONS from people smoking, and it has taken this many years for them to make it harder for people to smoke... I doubt they would make up the fact that it gives you cancer this is just common knowledge now and the most basic of doctor could discover this.... if they had their way they would have people think that Beer and Fags are the best things for spiritual enlightenment..... they are both legal because they are the two drugs that do absolutely nothing for you... don't get me wrong... I also think kids should be taught that some drugs can actually be used of benefit and we can grow and learn from them, if done in moderation..... My view is the teacher is right to tell the pupils of the dangers of smoking... ok it would be great if they teach them about the LOA as well.... but there you go.


Hello again.....Common knowledge? hmmmm Still waiting on those studies and who did them thanks TW.

There is much that is deemed common knowledge out there is there not? hmmmm Yet we have a whole forum here and many people on it who are managing to see through the illusion of what ' common knowledge' actually is.

If Children are indoctrinated at a young age on HOW to think, well then the LOA is alive and kicking and they are continually using it against us.

' well of course that shit will kill you....its COMMON KNOWLEDGE?

well yes it will if you BELIEVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !
what a good way to wipe out large masses of people in a way that makes them suffer.

and please enlighten us all on what being ' educated properly' means to you.


The LOA states (and this is something clearly you are passionate about) that you GET what you FOCUS on. So therefore, if you get a whole class of ten year olds focusing on Smoking killing people, what do you think this is doing? thats right KILLING PEOPLE. And them too if they choose to BELIEVE this way of thought, if they start smoking. Well why wouldnt they think this as it is apparently COMMON KNOWLEDGE... oh and yes the Queen is a lovely person too who has the right to rule over us, is this not apparently COMMON KNOWLEDGE too?

The earth is flat...the earth is round.......blah blah blah.

we must free our minds of this indoctination and programming and it starts from day dot.

PS....still waiting for those studies and the people who did them
or maybe you are happy to just BELIEVE that you are correct in your assumptions

Purple

[purple is a fruit]

And let us not forget that it is also ' common knowledge' that vaccinating our children is the ' right' thing to do.:rolleyes:

Maybe, just maybe, the fact that my son is ' un vaccinated'' gives him the ability to think for him self? As his head has not been fucked with since birth?

Gosh no wonder they want the kids vaccinated........ they will then be easier to mold into little slaves for the machine.

Of course none of what I say here is ' common knowledge' just my thoughts.

Purple

[lookfar]

Hey purps that's excellent news, WELL DONE to you both, I'm very proud!!:D You've definitely got a switched on little guy there, nice one!!

I'm having the same problems with my 5 year old with the indocrination of the school!:mad: He's well aware of aspartame, MSG, chemtrails, orgonite, animal cruelty & even reppies (but only slightly, lol) etc. He's been chatting to his mates about some of it too, especially the chemtrails when he sees them at school (which his teacher tried to dismiss but not after I'd explained in more detail to her!) He also saw his mates mum drinking Diet Coke the other week & called him across to get her to stop drinking it, hehe!! She wasn't interested in hearing it unfortunately, so I then had to explain to him that even though it was dodgy stuff, it's upto each individual if they want to drink it - it's their choice. But at least he tried, bless him.

Another thing I had to deal with a couple of months ago was when he came home & told me he was a Christian - WTF!!!!:eek::eek::eek: Apparently they'd been studying the subject for a while (even reading them out bits about how all the babies got killed by some guy!?!) I can't recall who now as I've never read the bible! But they'd taken them to church for an easter thing that day. I was so angry that he was made to feel pressured into having a religious label at 5 years old!!:mad: I got straight on the phone to the ex & he was seething too. Luckily we had parents evening the next week so we raised it there & told her how we felt about it all. She said the right things like "we would never urge them to have a label & we will also be teaching other religions, but Christianity is first bla bla bla. I would never pass my own personal beliefs onto the children" etc. But at least we nipped that one in the bud & hopefully she took onboard what we said. He knows the bible is just like any other story book now & not 100% true as they want them to believe.

So anyway, good on ya girl & keep up the good work!!:D

Oh before I forget, 2012 - I'm sorry but I have to disagree with your comment about manufactured cigs containing chemicals. This is pure media BS & not true. I work for a tobacco company & there are absolutely no chemicals added to the tobacco during manufacturing (only water). The chemicals exposed when smoking are purely from the burning process itself (causes endless amounts of carcinogens as soon as something is burnt, even on BBQ's, burnt toast etc), there maybe some chemicals used in the paper & filter manufacture, but DEFINITELY not on the tobacco itself. This relates only to Flue Cured Virginia type cigarettes as the other "flavoured" brands like Marlboro etc do have flavourings added.

*realises it's 2.35am & draws deeply on the last smoke before bed!!*

[lookfar]

i think its great purps- your boy sounds ace!! sounds like you are doin a great job of parenting!!

i think lookfar should step in here and say something coz her boy is only young but he's so switched on, for his age he's so balanced and she is similar to you, she's just honest with him and allows him to make up his own mind on things! he's a credit to her as im sure your boy is to you! :)

it's great for kids to finally start to grow up with an honest perspective of the world instead of strong indoctrination and the deception marring your views!:):cool:

Hey Lotts honey, I hadn't read the whole thread before replying. Ahh thanks for saying that it's really sweet of you & I'm glad you think so, bless ya :o :)

I think he's a wonderful little man (if I do say so myself, lol) & I'm honoured to be blessed with him!! I'm just so pleased that he's aware enough to take this all onboard, ask questions & make up his own mind. He does tend to trust what he's been told from people in authority, so it definitely benefits to get a different point of view from what the teachers have tried to drum into him, before it's too late. I think if parents allow this sort of thing to continue, without intervention, then they're gonna have the kids exactly where they want em & we can't let that happen!!

On the vaccine issue, he is unfortunately up to date as I wasn't awake in time to stop it & still kicking myself for it. But DEFINITELY NO MORE!!

[purple is a fruit]

Thanks Purple, I've often thought of bringing this subject up as well. So I'm glad you did, and what an *awesome* example your son made! Hopefully he sparked a few minds in the classroom too.

My daughter is only 16 months old but obvsiously I've often thought of how I will raise her emotionally. I hardly think she'll be able to let go of the freethinking aspect as that is what she'll grow up with. At least I'd like to think not. Right now I'm just enjoying being a "mommy" and giving her good nutrition to help with her physical well-being and (hopefully) giving her the best nurturing we can so her emotional well-being is taken care of.

However, I almost dread the thought of having to be a "parent". At the present time I would say I'm in the "reaction" stage of my awakening, if you'd compare it to PRS, lol. I need to let go of the "high" I feel of shopping for the latest Coach bag and dressing her head to toe in Gymboree (maybe I didn't play w/ enough dolls as a child?! lol) and many other things. But I'm getting there, as I don't want her exposed to such things that are useless in the "big picture", but I also want her to have a positive outlook and self confidence. Uggh. Troubles!!
Sorry for the book! Basically I wanted to say...good job!! Any tips?!? :)


Awesome of you to share that :)
any tips? well, I am learning everyday, I feel we must encourage our children to never shut their minds off to possibilty.

The indoctrination/education system, has been an effective tool for the PTB to dumb all down at a young age. it does not encourage children to think for themselves, it instead tells them HOW to think. This is how they have been controlling all of us.

The best thing any parent can do I feel, is encourage your children to think for themselves, and to seek out all possibility and to never take anything at face value. ie....my teacher told me it, so it must be right:rolleyes:
Offer them another idea....watch the reaction on their faces...it's cool:D

teach them to come in from numerous angles, and stretch their minds.
Allow them to form there own views based on there own ability to see through the shite. Also regularly show them things of beauty and encourage them to appreciate and to love, yet to also stand up for themselves.
And most of all, be an example for them, treat them as equals and dont mamby pamby them. I am also teaching my son to see through subliminals and he is also becoming very symbol literate and is aware of how this plays an important roll to the PTB to keep us in a trance.

But hey...I am learning as i go and take each day as it comes.....as we all are


I am loving hearing what other parents are sharing here, this is great

love
Purple

[pumma]

Great story Purple. The word "why?" is the worst nightmare a teacher could ever encounter. I know that for a fact. :D It's funny how (sheeple) people are satified with a limited (closed-minded) information... Robot's rebellion has begun... ;)

[unitydivided]

is your child truly a free thinker or is he reflecting the views you have indoctrinated him with?

[purple is a fruit]

is your child truly a free thinker or is he reflecting the views you have indoctrinated him with?


as I have said previously, I do not indoctrinate him with my views, I encourage him to come up with his own. I encourage him to look at all angles.
Trust me...we DO NOT agree on everything:eek:;):D

[unitydivided]

you deserve a pat on the back for not raising a sheeple. however, as days go bye and our children slowly turn into adults, needs arise to fit in with their peers (starts during the teenage years). it is this very notion that our schools prey on our children with. a free thinker today is a conformist tomorrow. i just hope that free thinking children are able to stay strong enough to not cave into the 'living in a bubble' viewpoint to suit their peers. Home schooling would be the best solution, IMO, to raise a free thinker. Certainly a public school is not the best choice if the end result one is trying to obtain is difference of popular opinion which is proven wrong time and again. in fact, i'm quite confident our poor education system is in place for a reason. and as many of you know, that's to dumb down our children.

[titurel]

He knows the bible is just like any other story book now & not 100% true as they want them to believe.
Hmmm...

"Why do the nations conspire and the peoples plot in vain? The kings of the earth take their stand and the rulers gather together against the LORD and against his Anointed One. "Let us break their chains," they say, "and throw off their fetters." - Psalm 2

The Bible predicted the world would find itself in the position its in today... while further predictions, made over 2,000 years ago, still have to come true, like governments turning on the demon infested Churches, and destroying them, not to mention the culmination of the NWO agenda and its failure...

Soon the virgin daughter of Babylon will have to sit in the dust, for no longer shall she sit a queen. No more shall be called tender and delicate lady.

It's just ancient history repeating itself.

Let her take off her skirt, lift her veil and show her thigh. Her nakedness shall be revealed and she will sit naked, and her shame shall be seen by all.

Her wisdom and her knowledge have warped her and there's nothing her astrologers and her stargazers, and her monthly prognosticators will be able to do to save her. No one will save her. No one will come to her aid. She will be utterly burned and consumed by fire.

(Isaiah 47; Revelation)

So far, no one who claims the Bible is false has addressed this issue... only God can wrest the world away from other dimensional Beings we cannot see...

[unitydivided]

^ What issue are you speaking of? Don't let the scripture speak for you, speak for yourself. is this a bible forum? why are you so filled with angst if you have the bible?

[titurel]

^ What issue are you speaking of? Don't let the scripture speak for you, speak for yourself. is this a bible forum?
The issue I'm speaking of is this, and I am speaking without the aid of the Bible on this occaision... only God can wrest the world away from other dimensional Beings we cannot see... do you disagree? If so, how can the battle be won against other-dimensional Reptilians? Although looking inwards and meditating is worthwhile, meditating and looking inwards is not going to dispel them from the planet. Rulers and the Elite are not going to give up their political powers and their NWO agenda just because people are mute and in a trance. How do you answer the question. I would honestly and sincerely like to know that!

why are you so filled with angst if you have the bible?
Why are you so filled with angst that you have to use that as an argument to silence views you disagree with?

[unitydivided]

The issue I'm speaking of is this, and I am speaking without the aid of the Bible on this occaision... only God can wrest the world away from other dimensional Beings we cannot see... do you disagree? If so, how can the battle be one against the Reptilians? Although looking inwards and meditating is worthwhile, meditating and looking inwards is not going to dispel them from the planet. Rulers and the Elite are not going to give up their political powers and their NWO agenda just because people are mute and in a trance.

I beg to differ. I believe with inside every one of us exists a ticket, if you will, out of this world and into the next. Who is to say that the battle against the NWO is to be won? Perhaps, their wicked agendas need to come to fruition before they can be defeated by the world's collective will.

As for God being the only being who "wrest the world away from other dimensional beings we can not see" I am not entirey sure where this assumption came about. I am guessing through the bible. What if the power of God can transcend through chosen beings who chose it themselves?

[titurel]

I beg to differ. I believe with inside every one of us exists a ticket, if you will, out of this world and into the next.
I actually agree with what you've written above, but so far, you haven't done a very good job in explaining why you believe that to be the case. What do you base your beliefs on? Where did you get them from? If it's just a hunch you have, or an intuition that's fine, but what's wrong with expanding on that through examining how others see it, without being prejudiced?

Who is to say that the battle against the NWO is to be won? Perhaps, their wicked agendas need to come to fruition before they can be defeated by the world's collective will.
How do you suppose that is going to happen when the vast majority of people either don't care or even believe in the NWO agenda? And if the collective will of humanity is going to succeed in replacing the powerful elite, as you say (and I don't see how that can be achieved when people on this forum can't even agree and even if we all could all agree in the world, how can you fight against those in power when they have a vast array of powerful weapons?) what is going to replace the system we have now? Who will the leader be? How will order be kept? What is the belief system that is going to unite instead of divide? ... so many questions you haven't yet answered or possibly even considered!

As for God being the only being who "wrest the world away from other dimensional beings we can not see" I am not entirey sure where this assumption came about. I am guessing through the bible.
My questions come about through simple logic and thinking things through. The least you can do is share your wealth of wisdom to support why you think the way you've shown...

What if the power of God can transcend through chosen beings who chose it themselves?
Please expand, that sounds potentially interesting but it's still a bit vague...

[unitydivided]

I base my beliefs on only what I know. And I know of a ticket, if you will, to another world that exists within each and every one of us because I have witnessed it through experience. I know within each and every soul there enlies the capability to pass from one dimension into the next. All you have to do is find the key. And that key can only be found within you. No one has a map to your key but you.

the mass majority of people, as usual, have it wrong today because they believe what they have been told through our purposely instilled inept educational institutions. it is not their fault they are blind at the moment, they simply are not ready to see the truth. perhaps when their world, as they know it, is taken away it will be time for them to finally see the light. i assume when that time comes most of your questions will be answered. whatever will be, will be.

It is my personal belief that this thread should be devoted to our free thinking children of tomorrow.

[titurel]

whatever will be, will be.
I agree!

It is my personal belief that this thread should be devoted to our free thinking children of tomorrow.
Yes, let children be free thinkers and encourage them not to be indoctrinated by Babylon the Great. There is much to be learned from all books, including the Bible. Telling kids that they can read all books bar one, is not encouraging free thinking but already indoctrinating them. I don't agree with everything David Icke writes, but I still read his books because much of what he says is true. We have to throw prejudice out of the window and start being more open minded and more eclectic in where we get information from.

[montag]

Hey guy's can we please stay on topic here and not turn this thread in to another debate on religion..

We have plenty of existing threads for that purpose..:o

Montag

[titurel]

Hey guy's can we please stay on topic here and not turn this thread in to another debate on religion..

We have plenty of existing threads for that purpose..:o

Montag
Yes!

If anyone doesn't like discussions about the Bible, don't bring up the subject. I only enetered this thread because there were references to it.

I didn't actually come to this forum to discuss the Bible anyway but the discussions were already here. My main interest is the NWO agenda and Freemasonry. Other people will have other interests, some the same and we can all learn from each other!

[purple is a fruit]

you deserve a pat on the back for not raising a sheeple. however, as days go bye and our children slowly turn into adults, needs arise to fit in with their peers (starts during the teenage years). it is this very notion that our schools prey on our children with. a free thinker today is a conformist tomorrow. i just hope that free thinking children are able to stay strong enough to not cave into the 'living in a bubble' viewpoint to suit their peers. Home schooling would be the best solution, IMO, to raise a free thinker. Certainly a public school is not the best choice if the end result one is trying to obtain is difference of popular opinion which is proven wrong time and again. in fact, i'm quite confident our poor education system is in place for a reason. and as many of you know, that's to dumb down our children.

Yes I'm hearing you there! I agree with the idea of homeschooling, I plan to do this with my youngest, who is still several years off the apparent school age. I have in fact already started.

As for my son and the public school system.....well, he is a very social kid, he loves being part of the action, so to remove him now would seem cruel in that regard, but he seems to have his head screwed on enough to see through it at this stage...i hope this continues.

thanks for your input...:D

[purple is a fruit]

Yes!

If anyone doesn't like discussions about the Bible, don't bring up the subject. I only enetered this thread because there were references to it.

I didn't actually come to this forum to discuss the Bible anyway but the discussions were already here. My main interest is the NWO agenda and Freemasonry. Other people will have other interests, some the same and we can all learn from each other!

well dont then.

[purple is a fruit]

I base my beliefs on only what I know. And I know of a ticket, if you will, to another world that exists within each and every one of us because I have witnessed it through experience. I know within each and every soul there enlies the capability to pass from one dimension into the next. All you have to do is find the key. And that key can only be found within you. No one has a map to your key but you.

the mass majority of people, as usual, have it wrong today because they believe what they have been told through our purposely instilled inept educational institutions. it is not their fault they are blind at the moment, they simply are not ready to see the truth. perhaps when their world, as they know it, is taken away it will be time for them to finally see the light. i assume when that time comes most of your questions will be answered. whatever will be, will be.

It is my personal belief that this thread should be devoted to our free thinking children of tomorrow.


ABSOLUTELY:D

[sidewinder]

Being a parent these days is more of a challenge than ever before, especially when one is aware of the world and the illusion that it is.

My son(10) came home from school yesterday and told me that the teacher gave the whole class worksheets on the dangers of smoking. Filling their heads full of shite about how it will kill you, and of course, programming all the children in the class to go home and hassle the crap out of their parents if they happen to smoke, and trying to make them feel guilty, etc etc...all part of the mass indoctrination which is our schooling system.

Well I am pleased to inform that my son made a stand yesterday.:D Challenged his fat, unhealthy, coke drinking teacher about this topic. He refused to do the worksheet, and debated with his teacher in front of the entire class, telling him that he is a 'repeater' and that we get in this world what we focus on, and he would prefer to focus on the 'postive'and not the 'negative' and that smoking will only kill you if you are programmed to believe that it does.

His teacher argued with him about this but in the end left my son to his own devices, apparently lost for words, My son spent the hour drawing while the kids did the worksheets. OH MY GOD I wish I was a fly on the wall to witness that! I am a proud mum, and it is refreshing to me that I am managing to teach my son to be a free thinker. He also regularly points out scalar and chemtrails to his mates and teachers, and then proceeds to do his best to awaken them to the reality of this world.

Are other parents having similar experiences with their own children? They are faced with such severe programming and indoctrination in the school system. I am finding myself having to undo much of the damage in the evenings instead of doing the 4 hours worth of homework they send home each evening. But it IS working and he IS getting it.

Would love to hear the thoughts here of other parents.....

Love to all
Purple
First of all, I agree on the 'body as an illusion' argument to a certain degree, but I also don't feel the need to pump my body full of junk (cigarettes, alcohol, fast food, etc.) just for the fun of it. Main reason is because I just don't like it (the taste, smell and so one), and to a lesser degree the effect on my body. There's a difference between being aware of something (body = illusion) and putting it to the test just because you have 'different thinking' compared to 99% of the people. Sure, what you think is what you cause, and it's your right to believe your body is an illusion, and do whatever you want to with it. All in all, this is just my opinion.

I also agree on the indoctrination, but not necessarly because of the information, but because they don't teach you anything usefull (like cooking, fixing clothes/shoes, how a house is build, how to make a fire, how to survive in nature, to love each other, etc.). I didn't like taking exams, I thought it was pointless, except for the 'learning to write/read...' bit. Everything else worth mentioning I learned at home or by myself (in combination with other people).

The thing is, you told your son about the claptrap regarding smoking and his arguments towards to teacher, but that does not automatically make him a 'free thinker'. Thinking positive is great, I couldn't agree more, but learning your child some aspects of life they don't teach you at school, and letting him decide what's best for himself, are two very different things. Did he really make the choice by himself? I for one would not want to be a fly on the wall, it's his life, not mine. If he's happy, I'm happy for him too. But being proud (they way you explain it) because your child taught the teacher a lesson is not worth the time really. It's more "Ha, I told you, you're wrong and he's right". In that aspect you're more like a follower of your son, because he 'proved' something. Well, not really, it's creating more diversion, anger, hate and the wrong type of love.

It wouldn't make me happy if my son/daugther would be another repeater of the things I would be saying, just because I say so. It may be true what you and I have to say, but the choice should be in their hands, no matter what age. Sure, there has to be protection involved regarding nature, physics, etc. but regarding people and information, it's not up to you to decide. Anything can happen these days, and locking them up because of the ongoing and increasing childkidnapping isn't helping the cause (this is only an example).

[purple is a fruit]

First of all, I agree on the 'body as an illusion' argument to a certain degree, but I also don't feel the need to pump my body full of junk (cigarettes, alcohol, fast food, etc.) just for the fun of it. Main reason is because I just don't like it (the taste, smell and so one), and to a lesser degree the effect on my body. There's a difference between being aware of something (body = illusion) and putting it to the test just because you have 'different thinking' compared to 99% of the people. Sure, what you think is what you cause, and it's your right to believe your body is an illusion, and do whatever you want to with it. All in all, this is just my opinion.

I also agree on the indoctrination, but not necessarly because of the information, but because they don't teach you anything usefull (like cooking, fixing clothes/shoes, how a house is build, how to make a fire, how to survive in nature, to love each other, etc.). I didn't like taking exams, I thought it was pointless, except for the 'learning to write/read...' bit. Everything else worth mentioning I learned at home or by myself (in combination with other people).

The thing is, you told your son about the claptrap regarding smoking and his arguments towards to teacher, but that does not automatically make him a 'free thinker'. Thinking positive is great, I couldn't agree more, but learning your child some aspects of life they don't teach you at school, and letting him decide what's best for himself, are two very different things. Did he really make the choice by himself? I for one would not want to be a fly on the wall, it's his life, not mine. If he's happy, I'm happy for him too. But being proud (they way you explain it) because your child taught the teacher a lesson is not worth the time really. It's more "Ha, I told you, you're wrong and he's right". In that aspect you're more like a follower of your son, because he 'proved' something. Well, not really, it's creating more diversion, anger, hate and the wrong type of love.

It wouldn't make me happy if my son/daugther would be another repeater of the things I would be saying, just because I say so. It may be true what you and I have to say, but the choice should be in their hands, no matter what age. Sure, there has to be protection involved regarding nature, physics, etc. but regarding people and information, it's not up to you to decide. Anything can happen these days, and locking them up because of the ongoing and increasing childkidnapping isn't helping the cause (this is only an example).


I was simply proud that he questioned something and was upfront about it.

Children at school generally are told to sit down, shut up and be told how it is.
I dont feel this is doing anyone any favours. it was his choice to stand up and voice his opinion...certainly not mine. Although I do voice my opinion when I feel something is not quite right, and if anything perhaps he has learnt this? Cant see that as a bad thing really.


he is not a repeater of what i have said....i have simply offered him all angles of this and he has come to his own conclusions.



As I said earlier, we dont agree on everything.

he may not be a TOTALLY free thinker, but then again who is??? I am simply trying to help him to see ALL views and not just the view with the blinkers on.

Thanks for your views, and taking the time to share them

Love
Purple

[sidewinder]

Children at school generally are told to sit down, shut up and be told how it is.

I couldn't agree more. What strikes me most (although it fits in with indoctrination and mindcontrol), is that pupils are not allowed to hug/kiss each other (at least not where I went to school, I don't know about your sons situation). They are on the other hand allowed to hate and fear each other, be jealous, etc. directly or indirectly, but to express your love to one another physically, you're being labelled as bad and naughty. If a physical fight starts, usually the fight is stopped by teachers, but in general the emotional fighting/slaughter isn't looked after or talked about in classes, except for the very common 'bullying' and 'what to do about it'. This stuff gets old really... What about treating the cause?!

Now in this regard, standing up for your right and to bring in a different view on life will be very much appreciated (by you or me at least). And of course, I'd be proud of my children if they would express their love the way they want to, and not conform to the negative vibrations of schools in general.

[purple is a fruit]

I couldn't agree more. What strikes me most (although it fits in with indoctrination and mindcontrol), is that pupils are not allowed to hug/kiss each other (at least not where I went to school, I don't know about your sons situation). They are on the other hand allowed to hate and fear each other, be jealous, etc. directly or indirectly, but to express your love to one another physically, you're being labelled as bad and naughty. If a physical fight starts, usually the fight is stopped by teachers, but in general the emotional fighting/slaughter isn't looked after or talked about in classes, except for the very common 'bullying' and 'what to do about it'. This stuff gets old really... What about treating the cause?!

Now in this regard, standing up for your right and to bring in a different view on life will be very much appreciated (by you or me at least). And of course, I'd be proud of my children if they would express their love the way they want to, and not conform to the negative vibrations of schools in general.

Awesome post!yes, the negative vibrations of school really is becoming more and more apparent.
There is a hug and kiss each other rule in place at his school also....clearly if you hug someone you are labelled as a freak and punished for it..makes sense huh:rolleyes:

the whole 'bullying thing' hmmmmmph:( best i dont start on that:o
but I will say, there is a poilicy at his school stating you should not fight back if someone hits you.......yes thats right....you have to stand there and take a pounding, stand there and take a beating.And if you defend yourself, you are equally in the wrong as the person who hit you? WTF? does not every human being have the right to defend themselves? This speaks volumes to me.

[21_12_2012]

Oh before I forget, 2012 - I'm sorry but I have to disagree with your comment about manufactured cigs containing chemicals. This is pure media BS & not true. I work for a tobacco company & there are absolutely no chemicals added to the tobacco during manufacturing (only water). The chemicals exposed when smoking are purely from the burning process itself (causes endless amounts of carcinogens as soon as something is burnt, even on BBQ's, burnt toast etc), there maybe some chemicals used in the paper & filter manufacture, but DEFINITELY not on the tobacco itself. This relates only to Flue Cured Virginia type cigarettes as the other "flavoured" brands like Marlboro etc do have flavourings added.

*realises it's 2.35am & draws deeply on the last smoke before bed!!*

wow...now that IS interesting...it sheds a whole new light on the "cigarettes contain hundreds of chemicals" myth.

Thanks for that info...I'm sure you would know escpecially working for a tobacco company.

Do you know if this is true for all tobacco companies ? Could some of the 'cheaper' companies be putting any chemicals in ? I always thought that the reason cigarettes never went out is because of a chemical that keeps them burning all the time.

But i must say, i do prefer rolling my own, and haven't bought 'normal' cigarettes since 1996.

[limelady]

I think we should all keep in mind that unless certified organic, tobacco is treated like all other crops with a host of pesticides throught its growing season, so there MUST still be residues of chemicals there.

Yes, like 21_12_2012 I always thought tailor-made cigarettes had additives, specifically saltpeter (potassium nitrate) to make them burn quicker and without going out like roll your own ciggies?

This is indeed interesting!

[lookfar]

wow...now that IS interesting...it sheds a whole new light on the "cigarettes contain hundreds of chemicals" myth.

Thanks for that info...I'm sure you would know escpecially working for a tobacco company.

Do you know if this is true for all tobacco companies ? Could some of the 'cheaper' companies be putting any chemicals in ? I always thought that the reason cigarettes never went out is because of a chemical that keeps them burning all the time.

But i must say, i do prefer rolling my own, and haven't bought 'normal' cigarettes since 1996.

You're welcome :)

Makes me quite angry when we keep getting fed the BS about all these added chemicals in cigarettes to make people more addicted etc. I'm not sticking up for the industry by any means, but we're all aware of the potential risks & anything added is to aid the smoking process not to get people addicted!

I've seen the process from leaf to final product & there are definitely no chemicals added to it then. However, as Lime rightly says (& I forgot last night as I was tired, lol), tobacco is grown using pesticides (unless stated as organic, but I'm sure those crops are small & I personally wouldn't 100% believe the claim) so there will still obviously be those chemicals present (but like all crops, they will be in almost everything we eat, unless we go organic). They do conduct regular pesticide analysis results on the crops but I'm not involved in those so don't get to see what they contain.

The saltpeter issue (burn additive, sodium & potassium citrate, I've just been told by a techie:)) is used in the paper to stop ends fallout etc. Therefore tailormade cigs have a faster burn rate, due to the paper, & the tobacco is also kept dryer than roll-your-own.

I personally prefer rolling my own to tailormades too :)

Sort of off topic, but they've also just brought out some sort of RFID chip for tobacco seed now too!:eek: Let's also not forget the GM issue in tobacco seeds as well, which is not good IMO.

[lottie]

Lookfar- tell them about the 'Toothpaste' incident at school- it made me so angry at the time- tell them tell them!!!:D

[phoebe]

Being a parent these days is more of a challenge than ever before, especially when one is aware of the world and the illusion that it is.

My son(10) came home from school yesterday and told me that the teacher gave the whole class worksheets on the dangers of smoking. Filling their heads full of shite about how it will kill you, and of course, programming all the children in the class to go home and hassle the crap out of their parents if they happen to smoke, and trying to make them feel guilty, etc etc...all part of the mass indoctrination which is our schooling system.

Well I am pleased to inform that my son made a stand yesterday.:D Challenged his fat, unhealthy, coke drinking teacher about this topic. He refused to do the worksheet, and debated with his teacher in front of the entire class, telling him that he is a 'repeater' and that we get in this world what we focus on, and he would prefer to focus on the 'postive'and not the 'negative' and that smoking will only kill you if you are programmed to believe that it does.

His teacher argued with him about this but in the end left my son to his own devices, apparently lost for words, My son spent the hour drawing while the kids did the worksheets. OH MY GOD I wish I was a fly on the wall to witness that! I am a proud mum, and it is refreshing to me that I am managing to teach my son to be a free thinker. He also regularly points out scalar and chemtrails to his mates and teachers, and then proceeds to do his best to awaken them to the reality of this world.

Are other parents having similar experiences with their own children? They are faced with such severe programming and indoctrination in the school system. I am finding myself having to undo much of the damage in the evenings instead of doing the 4 hours worth of homework they send home each evening. But it IS working and he IS getting it.

Would love to hear the thoughts here of other parents.....

Love to all
Purple

So instead of believing the indoctrination his school imposes on him, he believes that which you have imposed on him?

[purple is a fruit]

So instead of believing the indoctrination his school imposes on him, he believes that which you have imposed on him?


i have already explained this in previous posts.

[john white]

he he he

the kids growing up right now are literally going to blow the systems collectivist robotic mind

Trust me: the adults don't know the half of it

They are already getting organised, most especially on a level just outside of regular conscious reality

And as far as the system's messages go: vastly more than ever before arn't buying a word of it :D

[john white]

My own approach with bringing up my young 'un is to support his curiosity, but not push him to be curious

[21_12_2012]

You're welcome :)

Makes me quite angry when we keep getting fed the BS about all these added chemicals in cigarettes to make people more addicted etc. I'm not sticking up for the industry by any means, but we're all aware of the potential risks & anything added is to aid the smoking process not to get people addicted!

I've seen the process from leaf to final product & there are definitely no chemicals added to it then. However, as Lime rightly says (& I forgot last night as I was tired, lol), tobacco is grown using pesticides (unless stated as organic, but I'm sure those crops are small & I personally wouldn't 100% believe the claim) so there will still obviously be those chemicals present (but like all crops, they will be in almost everything we eat, unless we go organic). They do conduct regular pesticide analysis results on the crops but I'm not involved in those so don't get to see what they contain.

The saltpeter issue (burn additive, sodium & potassium citrate, I've just been told by a techie:)) is used in the paper to stop ends fallout etc. Therefore tailormade cigs have a faster burn rate, due to the paper, & the tobacco is also kept dryer than roll-your-own.

I personally prefer rolling my own to tailormades too :)

Brilliant info...cheers...

Sort of off topic, but they've also just brought out some sort of RFID chip for tobacco seed now too!:eek: Let's also not forget the GM issue in tobacco seeds as well, which is not good IMO.

I was only thinking last night of whether it is possible to buy organic tobacco seeds or organic tobacco, although i think it is 'illegal' to grow tobacco (not sure)
Do you know if places sell organic tobacco? Smoking/tobacco shops?

[supertzar]

In the US it is legal to grow tobacco for personal use. I am growing some Nicotiana Rustica plants. Nicotiana Rustica is a native variety with ten to twenty times the nicotine plus other alkaloids not found in Nicotiana Tobaccum. It is much more toxic!

But I am not worried because there is evidence that illness from smoking tobacco is caused not by carcinogens, but RADIATION. The companies use a radioactive rock phosphate to supply the large amounts of phosphorous needed for optimum growth. The plants take up radiation in the form of polonium 110. This applies to "organic" tobacco, too, from what I understand.

One doctor confirmed this information at the hospital where I work. Also, I asked a radiologist who laughed at me for talking about this to put some cigarettes under the geiger counter and he confirmed slightly higher than normal levels of radiation in the cigarettes.

Grow your own and use organic fertilizers like fish emulsion and you will avoid giving yourself the equivalent of an x-ray every day. Even if it is illegal it must be kind of hard to enforce, I would imagine.

Maybe the OP and her son would like to do some research on this subject (radiation in commercial tobacco.) Use the misinformation of the school as a springboard to learning the truth.

[thirdwave]

I can still get you even under cover TW hehehe....:D

But seriously, I think you missed the whole point of purple's post. You see the moment we say its "O.K." to allow the schooling system to indoctrinate our children in such a manner (for what ever reason they've decided it needs to happen) that's the day we give away our childrens and our own rights to make up our own minds about the personal choices we make. Next they'll be asking children to squeel to authorities by reporting their smoker parents. What next? Will parents be dragged off to involuntary smoking reform camps? Will smoking be consider 'abusive parenting' and will the state have the right to remove children from their parent and place them in state-run children's homes?

If we allow such things to slip by, there will be more to come for sure. How would you feel if your found out at school the children were being taught the dangers of rock music, hip-hop, R & B, and instead encouraged to listen to ONLY Mozart or Beethoven because the school system deems it "safer" for your child's health? I'm sure if I had 10 minutes to spare I could come up with a solid case as to why hip-hop is dangerous to a childs mental and physical health (real or imagined), but does this mean the school has the right to program diversity and the right to choose out of our kids?

You are entitled to your own views on smoking thirdwave, but whether the topic is anti-smoking or something else being forced down kids necks, it is indoctrination (as opposed to education) when your kids are only ever thumped at with one side of a very skewed story. It is further indoctrination (programming) when children are sent home to further indctrinate parents and guilt them with the same skewed version of reality.

Haven't we all had enough of the state pushing their way into our lives? I say "enough"!


Ah you can come out from under the bed now TW....I'm done :D


http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/2499/lovelimeoa6.jpg


:)

I do understand ..... teachers are trained to teach what they have been brainwashed to teach..... and it would totally piss me off seeing some guy teach my kids a load of brainwash bullshit....

but my point is telling kids that smoking is an awful drug is not brainwashing them.... and even if it was I could think of worse things to brainwash your kid with.... I my self would tell any kid to stir clear of smoking and how bad it is....

this does not mean I am not letting them do what they want... but I'm just telling them that in my view, due to my experience I would not touch cigarettes as i think they are the devils bum pubes rapped in paper and he is laughing when ever anyone sparks up :)

[limelady]

devils bum pubes rapped in paper

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/8351/rotflmaoke0.gif

[purple is a fruit]

:)

I do understand ..... teachers are trained to teach what they have been brainwashed to teach..... and it would totally piss me off seeing some guy teach my kids a load of brainwash bullshit....

but my point is telling kids that smoking is an awful drug is not brainwashing them.... and even if it was I could think of worse things to brainwash your kid with.... I my self would tell any kid to stir clear of smoking and how bad it is....

this does not mean I am not letting them do what they want... but I'm just telling them that in my view, due to my experience I would not touch cigarettes as i think they are the devils bum pubes rapped in paper and he is laughing when ever anyone sparks up :)

so you think the devil is a man? LOL sorry, I am still kacking myself over the bum pubes thing.....:D nicely put.

*purple sparks up some devils bum pubes and inhales deeply whilst listening out for the sound of a laughing devil*

[tru3]

Would love to hear the thoughts here of other parents.....

with respect to ct, my son thinks i'm a nutter. a loveable nutter, but still a nutter. :)

he questions things in his own way, has his own take, and that's fine by me. he's got his heart and his head wired together. what more can a parent ask?

he's twenty one now, and the army recruiters have been after him since he was seventeen. he just laughs at them. it's quite a relief, because so many kids his age get seduced into giving up a part of themselves to "be all they can be". :rolleyes:

i just always treated him the way i would have liked to be treated when i was a kid. sometimes, i wonder if that's not the best a parent can do.

[thirdwave]

Hello again.....Common knowledge? hmmmm Still waiting on those studies and who did them thanks TW.

There is much that is deemed common knowledge out there is there not? hmmmm Yet we have a whole forum here and many people on it who are managing to see through the illusion of what ' common knowledge' actually is.

If Children are indoctrinated at a young age on HOW to think, well then the LOA is alive and kicking and they are continually using it against us.

' well of course that shit will kill you....its COMMON KNOWLEDGE?

well yes it will if you BELIEVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !
what a good way to wipe out large masses of people in a way that makes them suffer.

and please enlighten us all on what being ' educated properly' means to you.


The LOA states (and this is something clearly you are passionate about) that you GET what you FOCUS on. So therefore, if you get a whole class of ten year olds focusing on Smoking killing people, what do you think this is doing? thats right KILLING PEOPLE. And them too if they choose to BELIEVE this way of thought, if they start smoking. Well why wouldnt they think this as it is apparently COMMON KNOWLEDGE... oh and yes the Queen is a lovely person too who has the right to rule over us, is this not apparently COMMON KNOWLEDGE too?

The earth is flat...the earth is round.......blah blah blah.

we must free our minds of this indoctination and programming and it starts from day dot.

PS....still waiting for those studies and the people who did them
or maybe you are happy to just BELIEVE that you are correct in your assumptions

Purple

*grabbing you, holding you down on a chair and taping your arms and legs to the chair and then taping your mouth up, while taking your cigarettes and setting them alight on the floor (non carpet of course)

right I dont want to force my views here....but :)



Just because there is lots of false knowledge out there, it does not mean there is no knowledge.... thats the whole reason they want a NWO, because more and more knowledge is out there.... there is actually positive things going on as well....

the Facts like how many millions the government have made from selling cirogets to people knowing full well how bad they are for our bodies.

http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=smokers+lung&hl=en&um=1&sa=X&oi=images&ct=title

I know people who have died from smoking.. people who have been told to quit or die, ok they have smoked stupid amounts but still....... common knowledge means many many people have experienced something first hand, this is why sports people do not smoke as it reducer your breathing capacity and reduces fitness levels...

if what you say is true about smoking only being bad for you if you think it... then why don't we all just take shit loads of heroin?... not to worry about Aspartame.... ?

I think the point is some of these chemicals can be a bit smarter than us and it can be very tricky playing ball with them.

[thirdwave]

so you think the devil is a man? LOL sorry, I am still kacking myself over the bum pubes thing.....:D nicely put.

*purple sparks up some devils bum pubes and inhales deeply whilst listening out for the sound of a laughing devil*


lol, actually the Devil is more likely to be a woman, which would make pubes more expensive as they are harder to come buy!

[purple is a fruit]

*grabbing you, holding you down on a chair and taping your arms and legs to the chair and then taping your mouth up, while taking your cigarettes and setting them alight on the floor (non carpet of course)

right I dont want to force my views here....but :)



Just because there is lots of false knowledge out there, it does not mean there is no knowledge.... thats the whole reason they want a NWO, because more and more knowledge is out there.... there is actually positive things going on as well....

the Facts like how many millions the government have made from selling cirogets to people knowing full well how bad they are for our bodies.

http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=smokers+lung&hl=en&um=1&sa=X&oi=images&ct=title

I know people who have died from smoking.. people who have been told to quit or die, ok they have smoked stupid amounts but still....... common knowledge means many many people have experienced something first hand, this is why sports people do not smoke as it reducer your breathing capacity and reduces fitness levels...

if what you say is true about smoking only being bad for you if you think it... then why don't we all just take shit loads of heroin?... not to worry about Aspartame.... ?

I think the point is some of these chemicals can be a bit smarter than us and it can be very tricky playing ball with them.

you have completely missed the entire point.....in fact so much so that it would be fruitless to argue or debate. feel free to feel whatever you wish..oh and if you grab me and hold me down and tape anything of mine up, I will knock you out and rip off your nuts, roll them in paper then shove them in your mouth and light them:D

All in fun of course:D;)

Purple

[21_12_2012]

In the US it is legal to grow tobacco for personal use. I am growing some Nicotiana Rustica plants. Nicotiana Rustica is a native variety with ten to twenty times the nicotine plus other alkaloids not found in Nicotiana Tobaccum. It is much more toxic!

But I am not worried because there is evidence that illness from smoking tobacco is caused not by carcinogens, but RADIATION. The companies use a radioactive rock phosphate to supply the large amounts of phosphorous needed for optimum growth. The plants take up radiation in the form of polonium 110. This applies to "organic" tobacco, too, from what I understand.

One doctor confirmed this information at the hospital where I work. Also, I asked a radiologist who laughed at me for talking about this to put some cigarettes under the geiger counter and he confirmed slightly higher than normal levels of radiation in the cigarettes.

Grow your own and use organic fertilizers like fish emulsion and you will avoid giving yourself the equivalent of an x-ray every day. Even if it is illegal it must be kind of hard to enforce, I would imagine.

Maybe the OP and her son would like to do some research on this subject (radiation in commercial tobacco.) Use the misinformation of the school as a springboard to learning the truth.

wow..that's some serious hardcore information..thanks for that...I will definately be looking further into this stuff now anyway.

[thirdwave]

you have completely missed the entire point.....in fact so much so that it would be fruitless to argue or debate. feel free to feel whatever you wish..oh and if you grab me and hold me down and tape anything of mine up, I will knock you out and rip off your nuts, roll them in paper then shove them in your mouth and light them:D

All in fun of course:D;)

Purple

*walking out with my legs crossed*

[seanx]

The whole smoking thing is, I think a bit more complicated.

If you were a a full 'master' - able to create your reality as you wish..
you could probably take anything and it would not affect you.

As for smoking, smoking tobacco is not bad ...but cigarettes are not natural tobacco but tons of additional chemicals added by the big companies to prolong and sell the prodcut. It's that shit that you need to be aware of

I bet that is not something your son was told!!

But irrespective of the smoking argument- what a great thing for your
son to do.

Not only for himself - but the rest of his class! Maybe they're thinking:
'Hang on a minute. Maybe we can have our own opinions. Maybe
everything they tell us is not gospel'.

[titurel]

well dont then.
Well don't bring up the subject. I only replied in this thread because a poster brought up the subject, so perhaps you ought to have a word with them.

[purple is a fruit]

The whole smoking thing is, I think a bit more complicated.

If you were a a full 'master' - able to create your reality as you wish..
you could probably take anything and it would not affect you.

As for smoking, smoking tobacco is not bad ...but cigarettes are not natural tobacco but tons of additional chemicals added by the big companies to prolong and sell the prodcut. It's that shit that you need to be aware of

I bet that is not something your son was told!!

But irrespective of the smoking argument- what a great thing for your
son to do.

Not only for himself - but the rest of his class! Maybe they're thinking:
'Hang on a minute. Maybe we can have our own opinions. Maybe
everything they tell us is not gospel'.

Exactly!

And maybe they may also begin to think......that 'perhaps' there is more to it, and many sides to the coin, and not just the side offered and forced down the throat by the indoctrination system. If our kids begin to think a bit more like this, maybe we will have a few free thinkers, with the ability to explore all possibilites before forming conclusions.

It is interesting to note also, that many are slipping through the school system with the inability to read and write adequately, yet they are total experts on 'global warming' and the 'dangers of smoking' to name but a few topics that have been recently covered in a very 'one sided' fashion at my son's school.
In fact the illiteracy stats are rather scary worldwide. What are they doing at school for six hours a day, if they can get to year 12 and still not be able to construct a sentence?

[dondaz]

there is a poilicy at his school stating you should not fight back if someone hits you.......yes thats right....you have to stand there and take a pounding, stand there and take a beating.And if you defend yourself, you are equally in the wrong as the person who hit you? WTF? does not every human being have the right to defend themselves? This speaks volumes to me.

We get this all the time at my sons school and I have told the head teacher that if my son bullies another kid and that kid gives my son a smack in the mouth then it would be a lesson well learned by my son not to bully in the future.

I have told them not to tell my son off for defending himself because that makes the teachers bullies too. They think I'm nuts but they know I am right.

Great thread, though I think the tabacco issues are interesting enough for a thread of their own.:rolleyes:

I'm interested in the toothpaste story if anyone is willing to tell it.

[lookfar]

I'm interested in the toothpaste story if anyone is willing to tell it.

Hi Darren

Thanks for reminding me about the toothpaste incident.

I'm not sure if this is normal for all schools, but my son's school have them clean their teeth in the morning (even though they've just all cleaned their teeth before school). But, anyway it's been going on since nursery.

He came home the other week & made a comment that they weren't allowed to rinse their mouths out after brushing their teeth!!:eek: I was very shocked & asked him a few questions & it he said they got rushed thru & didn't ever get to rinse!!

So the next day I brought it up with the teachers. The main teacher said "oh no that's not right, we do encourage them to rinse with their hands etc", so I asked my son again & he said they didn't get encouraged to do that. Then another teacher piped in & said "well we don't have enough time or cups to have them all rinse!!!":eek: At which point I said "well if he's not able to rinse his mouth then I don't want him cleaning his teeth at school & swallowing all that dodgy fluoride!! He uses fluoride-free toothpaste at home, which I don't mnd him accidentally swallowing on the odd occasion, but to have kids swallowing toothpaste is not good!!":mad: God knows what brand they push at the school either as I forgot to ask, but you can bet it's got shitloads of the stuff in it.

Anyway, the other teacher then said he could rinse if he used his own water bottle, so he's been doing that since. But it really pissed me off that all these kids are being allowed to swallow toothpaste on a daily basis, probably without their parents even knowing (or even being aware of the hazards!). I've now mentioned it to a few of them, so hopefully the kids are using their own water bottles to rinse with now.

Yet another incident of where they're trying to keep em dumbed down with dodgy toxins!!:mad: