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poshrat

01-04-2009, 02:05 AM

Does anyone here actually care about what is being sprayed above them in the form of chemtrails?

WAKE UP FOLKS

About 5 people have confirmed they have signed the official petition at 10 Downing Street.

There are 36 signatures so far. Only 200 are needed for an explanation as to what is going on with the spraying.

Personally, and I hope I am wrong here, but something very sinister is happening...

Maybe the spraying is a direct but subtle attack on our immune system ready for the so called new out break of bird flu in October ??

Please sign the petition here...

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Chemtrail-Sprays/

For the few that have signed thankyou for caring about the enviroment and we the people.

Chemtrails are the smoking guns of the government.

Be part of history, be in the first 200 names.

They will be shooting themselves in the foot what ever their explanation.

See this video uploaded today in Brighton UK.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0NVDJXqazw

bicycle

01-04-2009, 02:11 AM

Do you honestly think downing st will actually do anything?

size_of_light

01-04-2009, 02:16 AM

poshrat

01-04-2009, 02:30 AM

Thanks for the comments.

bornagain

01-04-2009, 02:35 AM

Chemtrails are good go back you sleep, you love big brother.

~Born Again

gu3rr1lla

01-04-2009, 02:36 AM

I would but it wont allow me because im outside the UK

dangermouse

01-04-2009, 02:37 AM

im also not in de uk

helloperator

01-04-2009, 02:41 AM

It seems darketernal is disappointed in the users on this forum also.

You can read his views about control, pepper spray and riot control gear in the Top Secret Mods forum that seems to be here....

An April first gag no doubt

poshrat

01-04-2009, 02:51 AM

I would but it wont allow me because im outside the UK

http://www.petitiononline.com/t401/petition.html outside UK

poshrat

01-04-2009, 02:51 AM

I would but it wont allow me because im outside the UK

Try this international petition also:
http://www.petitiononline.com/t401/petition.html

poshrat

01-04-2009, 02:53 AM

Chemtrails are good go back you sleep, you love big brother.

~Born Again

Prove it

venividivici2311

01-04-2009, 03:09 AM

Prove it
They are very good,i sprayed a bit in my tea the other day and know im superstrong,i can typ superfast and i can fly...yes,fly i tell you!!!

I think bornagain was a little sarcastic in that post......;)

bornagain

01-04-2009, 03:12 AM

They are very good,i sprayed a bit in my tea the other day and know im superstrong,i can typ superfast and i can fly...yes,fly i tell you!!!

I think bornagain was a little sarcastic in that post......;)

Thank you wow, so people do get internet sarcasm (that' what I like about society :D )

~Born Again

strife

01-04-2009, 03:39 AM

Does anyone here actually care about what is being sprayed above them

Sometimes.

ajaydean

01-04-2009, 04:11 AM

i signed,but as mentioned, they are hardly likely to put their hands up to poisoning us are they?

uloodara

01-04-2009, 04:30 AM

Done!

Dunun DUN dundunn!!!!

susano

01-04-2009, 04:37 AM

infin8_possibility

01-04-2009, 05:14 AM

Just signed! :)

illuminati downfall

01-04-2009, 05:42 AM

I just signed the international petition online. Hey Poshrat, thanks for the link for those of us outside the UK. :)

tyler

01-04-2009, 09:08 AM

I'm not in the UK so I couldn't contribute anyway, but aren't electronic petitions completely worthless?

I'm under the impression that only signed, hard copy petitions can be tabled in parliament and these online ones are just a way for people to vent their frustrations in a harmless and ineffectual way.

I agree absolutely.

We all know about chemtrails and some of us do actively try to make more people aware of them but petitions are a waste of time and achieve nothing, especially online ones.

nectars

01-04-2009, 09:17 AM

Does anyone here actually care about what is being sprayed above them in the form of chemtrails?

I'm pretty sure they do, though I think many are scared to give their names out. Bit silly really.

thirdwave

01-04-2009, 11:34 AM

thirdwave

01-04-2009, 11:41 AM

I'm pretty sure they do, though I think many are scared to give their names out. Bit silly really.

always makes me laugh....

if the "elite" wanted to find out who anyone was on this forum they could in a heart beat, in many ways... they can see us all right now, the thing that is in our favour is there is quite allot of us :)

also, one who is afraid to put there name next to a protest against a NWO tool, is one who is simply submitting to it in the most easy way...

demise_of_time

01-04-2009, 07:02 PM

Who the hell signs petitions anymore...?

jojo

01-04-2009, 07:06 PM

signed.

whiterain

01-04-2009, 07:07 PM

yeah while were at it i reckon the best way to get our money back off the banks is just to ask for it. has anyone tried this? ;)

drhemp

01-04-2009, 07:09 PM

I agree absolutely.

We all know about chemtrails and some of us do actively try to make more people aware of them but petitions are a waste of time and achieve nothing, especially online ones.

I agree too, though I still signed it, as it only took 20 seconds of my time, and I would still like to get the official Government response, even though it will be guaranteed lies and bullshit.

14april2000

01-04-2009, 07:10 PM

I'm not in the UK but i heard they also do in my area to - but i having exactly seen it myself.

poshrat

01-04-2009, 09:38 PM

Thankyou to all those that took the time to sign the petition.

I have a friend who is a film maker and he will be making a documentary about Chemtrails to coincide side with a book he is writing. He is not politically minded, more environmentally minded.

beldazar

01-04-2009, 09:49 PM

I agree absolutely.

We all know about chemtrails and some of us do actively try to make more people aware of them but petitions are a waste of time and achieve nothing, especially online ones.

well we all know that and whats the betting Jazzroc will be featured in the debunking attempts.
Its just good to let them know that some of us can actually SEE them for a start! It will give them more attention

Poshrat, Im also dismayed with facebook members signing too, only ONE friend of mine signed, so much for my family......:rolleyes:

stemcg1983

01-04-2009, 11:16 PM

signed

poshrat

01-04-2009, 11:29 PM

well we all know that and whats the betting Jazzroc will be featured in the debunking attempts.
Its just good to let them know that some of us can actually SEE them for a start! It will give them more attention

Poshrat, Im also dismayed with facebook members signing too, only ONE friend of mine signed, so much for my family......:rolleyes:

Hi Beldazar, I too am totally astonished at the lack of interest or concern.

Even though people can see what is going on it is like they don't give a dam, as long as it is not affecting me, why should I complain sort of attitude.

The programmed pattern of thinking of the majority of people is not right.

Sheeple is an appropriate word.

Now, if it was leaked that the chemtrails were going to lead to ruin and 20% of the population were being sprayed to break down their immunity, 200 would have signed in the first 10 minutes.

I have sent the link to about 1000 people and more are aware of it now. But still only a few signatures relatively speaking.

Maybe, it's me. Maybe it is all a fuss about nothing.

Being an artist, I am aware of of my surroundings and fascinated by clouds. I can see what's happening above me, the patterns, the frequency of spraying. The wrecking of the blue sky, the days natural light.

I am not the only one.

I sent a polite email to Alex Jones and the youtube user nufffrespect, not even a titter back. Nowt.

There is alot of money to be made out of this NWO thing. Full of hot air and no direct action.

It is all very well informing people about the facts, if they are the facts.

Seems to me peoples lives are so boring they need to feel scared about something.

Well, these chemtrails ARE real and they are NOT good for the Earth or Mankind.

darreninnz

01-04-2009, 11:31 PM

always makes me laugh....

if the "elite" wanted to find out who anyone was on this forum they could in a heart beat, in many ways... they can see us all right now, the thing that is in our favour is there is quite allot of us :)

also, one who is afraid to put there name next to a protest against a NWO tool, is one who is simply submitting to it in the most easy way...

I've been wondering whether to sign or not but after reading thirdwave's post i just have.
Cheers mate

griswald

01-04-2009, 11:37 PM

arten

01-04-2009, 11:38 PM

Done M8 and I am in the process of writing to my MP about this.

lottie

01-04-2009, 11:42 PM

Signed sealed and delivered!!! :)

the worm that turned

01-04-2009, 11:45 PM

Signed up ages ago and written to my MP twice. I will post the reply from my MP on here as soon as. He acknowledged it but the scientific dept at HoC didn't!!

feckthehuns

01-04-2009, 11:48 PM

Signed

captainresin

02-04-2009, 01:18 AM

signed

nirvana

02-04-2009, 01:34 AM

Forget about the petition do you really think tbtb will find themselves guilty?

What we need is more activism on the streets .

Protest demo's. Setting up meetings ,talks in our neighbourhoods.

Peace:)

stomach

02-04-2009, 02:32 AM

Signed.

beldazar

02-04-2009, 08:38 AM

whitewolf

02-04-2009, 10:56 AM

dawnismygoddess

02-04-2009, 10:59 AM

I do not live in the U.K. - or I'd sign it for ya.

icke_is_right

02-04-2009, 11:01 AM

Would you petition a child molester in charge of a nursery whilst the children are still under care there?

Interesting concept. Lot's of people get disappointed because they think others are stupid. Just maybe that most people should not in fact be thinking for themselves but just accept that they get their ideas solely off others but are too ego orientated to know anything different.

I struggle constantly to know myself whenever others 'seem' to disappoint.

poshrat

02-04-2009, 01:29 PM

Signed,

it said only 62 had so far signed it?!!!! :confused:

why so few??

are people afraid to expose their address ?

what do they think will happen to them if they do ?

nazi style policemen crashing through their front door armed with Tazers and a one way ticket to the FEMA camp ?

there's way too much fear around.

and if signing a petition does nothing? so what, so does doing nothing....
so we may as well do something.....

peace and courage my friends :)

That's the spirit!

Well they teach citizenship in schools now. I am a good citizen naturally.

I care about the environment, I encourage the nature around me to co-exist naturally. I am a green living planet loving human being.

As a UK citizen I am part of a bigger national responsibility to protect and encourage the nature around me.

If I spoke to Gordon Brown I am sure he would be proud of who I am and what I represent.

This country needs more awareness, not only environmentally but spiritually too.

The only fears I have still freeze me sometimes. THEY ARE ALL IN MY HEAD Most of them caused by watching too many horror films as a kid and with my imagination, IT'S SCARY

But, THERE IS NO BOGEY MAN THERE The only one that is, is one you have fueled yourself by looking for it. In films, books, magazines, youtube, websites etc etc

We are our own worst enemy.

There is no point fighting until you have absolute proof something isn't right or you have proof you've been lied to.

Peaceful protest and petitions create awareness and pressure on the people to put things right.

Chemtrails are messing with the sky, our planet and our lungs. They are changing nature as we speak.

It is your responsibility to protest and petition because right now the planet needs people who are willing to do so.

In the G20 protest I bet there were alot of Policemen who deep down were thinking, "You know I just want to be at home with my family, why am I doing this? These protestors do actually have a point"

There is a bigger percentage of civil servants who mean well for you and the country. There is a small mixed group however including celebrities who are liars, cheats, power minded, money minded, fame seeking and most scary these people are SOCIOPATHS. (Look it up on google)

http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

I grew up with a sociopath, it was hell and still is.

The only weapon you have with a sociopath is to IGNORE them, blank them out of your head. Walk away.

Don't give them a reality.

Take care of YOUR reality, make your own. Be aware of people trying to mess with your head, change your direction, your positive head state.

Avoid substances that change your natural brain flow and awareness.

Don't watch programs that hypnotise you.

Look up and look down and listen because this planet is talking to you right now.

AND SHE NEEDS YOUR HELP

I stand proud in that I am a servant of the earth, our home. NOT the man made system because it doesn't work, is unfair and damages our home.

poshrat

03-04-2009, 01:48 AM

Please see my new thread....

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60108

beldazar

03-04-2009, 02:13 AM

If I spoke to Gordon Brown I am sure he would be proud of who I am and what I represent.
.

I really hope not! :eek::eek::eek:

macmauro

03-04-2009, 02:21 AM

adamh

03-04-2009, 01:15 PM

Signed it!

And all my family!

The trails in Brighton recently are unreal!

pinkgrapefruit

03-04-2009, 01:27 PM

Before you 'sign' an online petition should you not find out who is running it?

Check it's not an IP address trawler.

flyermay

03-04-2009, 01:29 PM

I apreciate your campaign, but i will not sign because i'm not convinced about those chemtrails, most probably i'm wrong but for the moment it is my believe!

Anyhow keep on your fight for your wright:)

Well, that's fine, but the petition is for the government to investigate the chemtrails and to offer an explanation for them. It doesn't really matter if you are conviced or not, you would probably like to hear an official explanation (whether it proves your point of not -you'll benefit either way-).

And for all of you who think that the petition is a waist of time (mainly because it is our government who fund the chemtrails), think about all the awareness that the investigation and official report would cause. Most of the population doesn't even know they exist!!!

flyermay

03-04-2009, 01:32 PM

Before you 'sign' an online petition should you not find out who is running it?

Yes, you're right, I also doubted of Number 10 Downing Street, but it seems that they are the ones who rule our government.

poshrat

04-04-2009, 02:55 AM

hagbard_celine

04-04-2009, 03:05 AM

Before you 'sign' an online petition should you not find out who is running it?

Check it's not an IP address trawler.

Oops!:o Too late! I've done it!

accuracy

04-04-2009, 09:43 AM

http://www.petitiononline.com/t401/petition.html outside UK

I signed the petition!

Thanks poshrat

accuracy

04-04-2009, 11:10 AM

Oops!:o Too late! I've done it!

You certainly don't like keeping up with the times with your boring, repetitve
signature, it makes my skin crawl. IMO

accuracy

04-04-2009, 11:17 AM

Keep on signing everyone, to have your voice heard.

steevo

04-04-2009, 11:20 AM

Accuracy why are you being such a twat to everyone (including me) ?

lakkimakki

04-04-2009, 11:49 AM

entrangermercenary

04-04-2009, 01:38 PM

flyermay

04-04-2009, 01:43 PM

We all know about chemtrails and some of us do actively try to make more people aware of them but petitions are a waste of time and achieve nothing, especially online ones.
Could say that about the marches you attend as well !!

"Divide and conquer": that's the key to our enslavement. In my humble opinion, any measure helps, what doesn't help at all is discouraging others.

whizzer

04-04-2009, 01:46 PM

I signed but I also think that it's a waste of time, these petitions just get binned.:(

hagbard_celine

04-04-2009, 01:51 PM

You certainly don't like keeping up with the times with your boring, repetitve
signature, it makes my skin crawl. IMO

I didn't choose my sig for the sake of gaining your approval... IMO :rolleyes:;)

accuracy

05-04-2009, 10:11 AM

I didn't choose my sig for the sake of gaining your approval... IMO :rolleyes:;)

Haahaaahaaa LOL

The neighbours will be wondering why i am laughing so loud!!!!!!!

Love your response, hagbard, btw, i'm just sh*t stirring. :D:D

accuracy

05-04-2009, 10:17 AM

Does anyone here actually care about what is being sprayed above them in the form of chemtrails?

WAKE UP FOLKS

There are 36 signatures so far. Only 200 are needed for an explanation as to what is going on with the spraying.

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Chemtrail-Sprays/

For the few that have signed thankyou for caring about the enviroment and we the people.

Chemtrails are the smoking guns of the government.

Be part of history, be in the first 200 names.

They will be shooting themselves in the foot what ever their explanation.

See this video uploaded today in Brighton UK.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0NVDJXqazw

200 signatures are required minimum, thats why, whizzer, i'm very sure that poshrat will be wrapped for your vote.
Just don't stress over it, just sign the petition everyone.

Poshrat will do the rest of the work.

entrangermercenary

05-04-2009, 02:17 PM

86 siggies so far . :( Surely people are not worried the authorities mite get your details. They all ready have if you are interest so get the fuck and sign.
We have 204 voters at the moment on the chose the mod thread !! Even if people doubt they are chem trails would a little publicity not help :)

CMON GET AND SIGN :D

sukyspook

05-04-2009, 02:32 PM

Do you honestly think downing st will actually do anything?

DITTO.......

I'm beginning to think that only the spiritually awake can see chemtrails.....rational, intelligent, blue-pill people still can't.....

entrangermercenary

05-04-2009, 02:39 PM

DITTO.......

I'm beginning to think that only the spiritually awake can see chemtrails.....rational, intelligent, blue-pill people still can't.....

Do you mean people who take viagra when refering to " blue-pill people" ?? :)

flyermay

05-04-2009, 02:42 PM

Do yourself a favour, sign the petition (http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Chemtrail-Sprays/) for an official investigation and explanation on the Chemtrail Spraying at Number10.gov.uk website.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=309&pictureid=3029

beldazar

05-04-2009, 06:48 PM

DITTO.......

I'm beginning to think that only the spiritually awake can see chemtrails.....rational, intelligent, blue-pill people still can't.....

Now that makes an awful lot of sense!
It amazes me how people dont seem to notice them :confused:

griswald

05-04-2009, 10:56 PM

rixxmixxhell

05-04-2009, 10:58 PM

Now that makes an awful lot of sense!
It amazes me how people dont seem to notice them :confused:

Aye, they need to be shown. People just don't look up. Wile your at it, grab a telescope and look at the planes doing it :cool:

Also, i have noticed very large trails at night, on clear nights, just sitting there. Anyone else notice them?

I would say the above picture in the quoted post is photoshopped??

beldazar

05-04-2009, 11:14 PM

I had to laugh today, the classic 'pyramid' design was up in the sky, along with the usual 'X' :rolleyes:

flyermay

05-04-2009, 11:32 PM

Tell me that picture is photoshopped, and not real ....please.

griswald

I can't, I just found it on the net, but for the campaign is fantastic, don't you think?

This one is real, taken by myself last week.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=2755

poshrat

06-04-2009, 02:13 AM

I would like to say thankyou to all the people who have signed so far.

All that is needed is 200 and then I/We can sit back and relax. Sort of anyway.

Then it is a matter of gathering evidence through filming, photographs, letters and interviews.

Believe it or not some people have never seen a chemtrail.

Maybe because they don't know what to look for or the fact that their area is not being sprayed.

My mother lives in Tidworth and she knows all about chemtrails and the NWO. She is an active member on youtube and is spreading her message of peace and love.

Tidworth if you don't know is a military town with barracks and alot of army personnel BUT with all the planes and helicopters flying around there are NO CHEMTRAILS to be seen. WHY?

Yet today where I live near Fordingbridge Hampshire. There were chemtrails all day. NOT contrails, chemtrails! They stayed in the sky for hours and spread out forming a white haze which took away the blue sky. The sky today did have cumulus clouds which stood by themselves. The weather was slightly warm if working outdoors. At one stage I had a t-shirt on but it was still chilly. So Why spray today!

Now it is night time and there is a misty low fog outside and to tell you the truth I am scared of what this fog/low lying cloud might contain. Barium? Aluminum? What is in those chemtrails? Well they have now landed at ground level.

I managed to get some good photographs with my digital camera this one I used the solarize filter to enhanze the detail...

http://images44.fotki.com/v1467/photos/3/945583/7405818/PIC00023-vi.jpg

This is after a chemtrail spray and all the chemcloud you can see is from one chemtrail dissipating.

Another using the same filter to be able to see the dissipation.

http://images44.fotki.com/v1471/photos/3/945583/7405818/PIC00002-vi.jpg

http://images44.fotki.com/v1469/photos/3/945583/7405818/PIC00007-vi.jpg

This is a sprayer spraying over the same area...

http://images49.fotki.com/v1460/photos/3/945583/7405818/PIC00013-vi.jpg

I see this nearly everyday now. Being an artist I am a very observant person by nature and I am well aware of changes in the sky and chemtrails.

I plan to make a youtube video to spread the petition link but my video skills are not very good (yet :;)

The great thing is, once the petition signatures have made 200 the government has to give a response to all those that signed.

This is the moment, this is the time when the bells will ring and the cockerel crows. Because they will lie to you and me.

People all over the world like me are questioning and examining what's happening above them. For documentaries and youtube films.

Tests and analysis will be carried out and when the UK government states nothing going on here and we have the proof otherwise.

That is the golden moment to act and demand change.

They really have shot themselves in the foot here.

It is the reins of the government which is stopping a consciousness shift/change.

As aware evolving humans we should be further down the road of evolution but we are being thrawted by money minded power stricken politicians who only try to put right the problems they created in the first place and stop any cosmic progress by their rules and teachings and slavery.

Our third eye is being put to sleep folks.

elysiumfire

06-04-2009, 03:15 AM

To be honest, I am getting into a frame of mind of withdrawing from the impetus to wake the so-called 'sheep' up, as that is the first hurdle, then you have to somehow get them to care enough to take the knowledge passed to them and hope that they come to be concerned about it all.

I've discussed chemtrails with my colleagues at work whilst stood under them on sunny days...and they couldn't give a crap, unless of course, it affected the aerobility of the ball into the net to some advantage for the opposing team. I'm sick to death of trying to inform, and receiving nothing back but the inuendo of being judged paranoid and crazy and insane from the sleepwalkers. For those addicted unconsciously to the deceptions of the media and masters, breaking down their insensibilities is something of an almost impossible task. I guess we have to wake up in our own sweet time individually.

illuminati downfall

06-04-2009, 04:26 AM

DITTO.......

I'm beginning to think that only the spiritually awake can see chemtrails.....rational, intelligent, blue-pill people still can't.....

I am beginning to wonder about that myself. Today the sky above the town I am in, got sprayed again. It was, in my opinion, the worst I have ever seen it here. The trails, that were going in different directions all over the sky didn't even resemble clouds really, as they sometimes do. Yet still no one seemed to notice or ever look up. They never seem to. Today I was looking up at the sky while in a public place, and no one even seemed to see that I was looking at something and look up themselves to see what I was looking at.

poshrat

07-04-2009, 12:29 AM

There were chemtrails todays ABOVE the clouds!

Now if it was Geocontrol spraying (global warming) then today would have been a waste of money.

I presume tax payers money.

Why spray when there was good intermittent cloud cover????

Chemtrails are something else.

Experimentation or something sinister?

I would like to think it was climate control but I really doubt that.

itsallinus

07-04-2009, 12:51 AM

I signed but the counter remained on 91??

poshrat

07-04-2009, 12:56 AM

I signed but the counter remained on 91??

Is your name showing?

hagbard_celine

07-04-2009, 04:51 PM

Haahaaahaaa LOL

The neighbours will be wondering why i am laughing so loud!!!!!!!

Love your response, hagbard, btw, i'm just sh*t stirring. :D:D

Thought so!:D:D;)

hagbard_celine

07-04-2009, 04:54 PM

I've had a standard auto-response from Downing Street. Just a "Thanks for your signature on the Pettition : "Chemtrtails". We'll get back to you... etc etc etc.

anthony65

07-04-2009, 04:57 PM

I am beginning to wonder about that myself. Today the sky above the town I am in, got sprayed again. It was, in my opinion, the worst I have ever seen it here. The trails, that were going in different directions all over the sky didn't even resemble clouds really, as they sometimes do. Yet still no one seemed to notice or ever look up. They never seem to. Today I was looking up at the sky while in a public place, and no one even seemed to see that I was looking at something and look up themselves to see what I was looking at.

Yes, it's really bizarre!

Recently there were a couple of planes flying in circles in a clear blue sky. They left a few circles, flew on a bit further, left more circles, flew on and did it again. The trails they left stuck for the most part (not all!) and then started to spread.

It was a beautiful day, Lots of people out, but nobody looked, even as I stared at the sky.

When I got home my wife said "Did you see the circles in the sky!".

It seems that the masses have been conditioned not to look up...

And to regard anyone who does as weird...

I find it weird not to look at the sky...

Bizarre!

antinwo

07-04-2009, 05:01 PM

Don't forget to give a false address ;)

lostwonderer

07-04-2009, 05:03 PM

I tend to see more of them during the night rather than the daytime.

hagbard_celine

07-04-2009, 05:29 PM

Don't forget to give a false address ;)

I put my real one. It's a fait accomplis. Do you think they don't already know where I live?

beldazar

07-04-2009, 07:33 PM

I put my real one. you think they don't ?

Me too, who gives a shit! ;)

hellosatellites

07-04-2009, 07:38 PM

Who the hell signs petitions anymore...?

lol - i know, OMG, it's like, soo 2008 isn't it

pinnochio

07-04-2009, 07:49 PM

What i don't get if that the people responsible for this ie the illuminate. They still have to live on this planet so why would they poison themselves?

Just a genuine question i'm uneducated on chemtrails but it doesn't make sense to do that.

ronisron

07-04-2009, 08:07 PM

Sorry, I can't help, either. I'm in the USSA ( :p ).

I've been following the chemtrail stuff for a few years, now. I used to be a school bus driver and, one time, with a sky full of chemtrails, I pointed them out to all of the kids on thebus and told them that those were NOT clouds and I explained the chemtrail stuff to them. Every chance you get, TELL A KID.

Absolutely. Tell your children. From Disney subliminals, to 9/11, to chemtrails, tell your children. Be careful though, kids can become overwhelmed by it too, and a lot of this conflicts with what they are being taught at school. My son in 4th grade, wanted to do his 3 minute speech with "War Crimes of the Bush Administration" as his topic... this prompted a call home from both the teacher and the Principal of his school.... I just told them he saw a blurb on CBC Newsworld and was asking questions about torture, etc. I explained to my son that as far as school goes, it is best to follow the course as it's laid out, because not everyone will see it as we/he does. He changed his topic to "Sharks", and got a great mark for it.

As for Chemtrails, in the last Canadian "election", the leader of the Green Party mandated that as PM, she would have the military provide full disclosure as to what was actually in the chemtrails, and what they're purpose was. The Green party didn't "win" though.

I signed the petition BTW. They hate us for it!

beldazar

07-04-2009, 08:23 PM

I sat in the garden the other day with several family members, fast asleep ones, my two boys saw a plane fly over and leave a trail, "look a chemtrail mum!" I was so proud...:cool:

rixxmixxhell

07-04-2009, 09:03 PM

aww i may cry :confused::o :)

beldazar

07-04-2009, 09:26 PM

aww i may cry :confused::o :)

dont you dare! lol :D

marpat

07-04-2009, 09:28 PM

I sat in the garden the other day with several family members, fast asleep ones, my two boys saw a plane fly over and leave a trail, "look a chemtrail mum!" I was so proud...:cool:

What have you got to be proud for, all you have done is to push your own beliefs onto your kids. They are hardly going to question the integrity of their own mother.

beldazar

07-04-2009, 09:34 PM

Oh hello Marpat! I wondered when you would show....:cool: ;)

entrangermercenary

07-04-2009, 09:36 PM

http://www.google.co.uk/images?q=tbn:02VHAUTP_SssgM::members.arstechnica.c om/x/freeman/homer-eating-popcorn-small-c7873.jpg

Im settled in for this 1. Carry on :D

rixxmixxhell

07-04-2009, 09:38 PM

dont you dare! lol :D

O.k i won't :D

AND Frak (:rolleyes:) marpat. ahh that the first time I've ever done that, damn primitive emotions :rolleyes: I'm sure he sees in tunnel vision and forgot about the 'real' world process - i wonder, they would rather someone else push their ''beliefs'' (cough, beliefs???) on their children lol.

Love you bel. Keep on keeping on :)

beldazar

07-04-2009, 09:43 PM

thankyou Rixx :o :)

marpat

07-04-2009, 09:43 PM

O.k i won't :D

AND FUCK marpat. ahh that the first time I've ever done that, damn primitive emotions :rolleyes: I'm sure he sees in tunnel vision and forgot about the 'real' world process - i wonder, they would rather someone else push their ''beliefs'' (cough, beliefs???) on their children lol.

Love you bel. Keep on keeping on :)

Negative reaction followed by a false judgement. Who's side are you on?

beldazar

07-04-2009, 09:45 PM

mine of course! :eek: :p

rixxmixxhell

07-04-2009, 09:50 PM

jojo

07-04-2009, 09:50 PM

What have you got to be proud for, all you have done is to push your own beliefs onto your kids. They are hardly going to question the integrity of their own mother.

well we have to tell our kids something to counteract the common purpose brain washing they are getting at school.

I tell my boy what his little mind can understand... but then I also tell him that this is what "I" believe and he may grow up to believe something different.

poshrat

07-04-2009, 10:34 PM

I have made contact with our member of parliament regards chemtrail spraying.

steevo

07-04-2009, 11:00 PM

I sat in the garden the other day with several family members, fast asleep ones, my two boys saw a plane fly over and leave a trail, "look a chemtrail mum!" I was so proud...:cool:

lol :D That made me laugh out loud. Brilliant! thanks for sharing that Bel :)
It's a shame that it is such a sad state of affairs with the chemtrails though :(

rixxmixxhell

07-04-2009, 11:02 PM

I have made contact with our member of parliament regards chemtrail spraying.

Have you had communications back?

Rick

steevo

07-04-2009, 11:02 PM

Question is marpat, do you proclaim to say mothers shouldn't be proud of their children - are you a parent?

Marpat is only here to cause pointless arguments. He is like an VERBAL agent provocateur. He is here to waste our time, simple as that.

rixxmixxhell

07-04-2009, 11:05 PM

I hear ya steevo. Seems Maybe Marpat is unavailable to comment :confused:

I changed my fuck to frak cause well, i don't normally used that emotion at people but to sideswipe bel like that pissed me off. :)

steevo

07-04-2009, 11:06 PM

fromthatshow

08-04-2009, 01:34 AM

I'm disappointed in you

paradise_1000

08-04-2009, 01:34 AM

signed m8

:)

niftymage

08-04-2009, 02:01 AM

signed it

mountain

08-04-2009, 02:49 AM

well we have to tell our kids something to counteract the common purpose brain washing they are getting at school.

I tell my boy what his little mind can understand... but then I also tell him that this is what "I" believe and he may grow up to believe something different.

You're a wonderful mother :)

beldazar

08-04-2009, 08:56 AM

lol :D That made me laugh out loud. Brilliant! thanks for sharing that Bel :)
It's a shame that it is such a sad state of affairs with the chemtrails though :(

Thanks Steevo, and thanks to Rixx, and Jojo for your support.

Marpat, what would you say to your children if they asked you what the trail of smoke was in the sky? Would you lie to them or tell them what you perceive to be the truth?

You have been on this forum long enough and I know FULL WELL that you dont think for ONE SECOND that they are simply vapour trails :mad:

poshrat

08-04-2009, 02:27 PM

Have you had communications back?

Rick

Yes, he isn't interested. His reply was...

Thank you. I am afraid these are indeed vapour trails and a few cloud formations, definitely not sprays. In any event there is nothing that I can add to what I said in my last email.

This is after seeing this video....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wEELDUnGyg

rixxmixxhell

08-04-2009, 06:59 PM

Aaah.

I can't imagine them agreeing with you, at least they could say, 'we will look into it'. The person(s) obviously think you are asking a question as if you are looking for answers to chemtrails from them, not realizing you know for a fact the difference between the two. (Contrails vs Chemtrails)

Well, good for poshrat you that you did what you did, we know the truth, and even if they did look into it properly, most people will fight to stay asleep, afraid of reality, afraid of thinking. Where we put energy, energy will flow :)

How many signs is it now? 109 last check :) over 4,000 for U.S one.

Rick

poshrat

08-04-2009, 07:11 PM

ronisron

08-04-2009, 07:14 PM

When I was a kid, you could see jets waaay up in the sky on a clear day, and they would leave vapor trails. These trails dissipated in a few minutes.

Chemtrails are not random, they have a pattern. These jets fly very low, and what they spray turns into long wispy clouds that hang around. I live near a major Canadian military base, so I have seen huge X's in the sky, grid patterns that look like a large net.... crazy patterns in these trails. There's a lot of speculation as to their nature, their composition and what have you, but one thing is for sure, they are deliberate and are not being sprayed for our greater good.

poshrat

08-04-2009, 07:35 PM

The site is called www.weathermod.com

The equipment is here

http://www.weathermod.com/seeding_equipment.php

http://www.weathermod.com/images/bip_rack1.jpg

It's called cloud seeding.

marpat

08-04-2009, 10:14 PM

I do love bel :) no really i do.

False statements requires planned reaction - and i have no plans - and im on no ones side. Well, remind me of the SIDES separation again??? Ahh but in this case yes, i am on the side of what i feel is right, in this case, bels :)

It's nice to say hello to negative emotions, make me see my light better :)

Question is marpat, do you proclaim to say mothers shouldn't be proud of their children - are you a parent?

I am a parent but I would not fill their heads with stuff that I was not sure of.

Being proud of your kids is natural but to say you are proud just because they parrot what you talk about is wrong.

marpat

08-04-2009, 10:16 PM

Thanks Steevo, and thanks to Rixx, and Jojo for your support.

Marpat, what would you say to your children if they asked you what the trail of smoke was in the sky? Would you lie to them or tell them what you perceive to be the truth?

You have been on this forum long enough and I know FULL WELL that you dont think for ONE SECOND that they are simply vapour trails :mad:

I would say they are persisten or non-persistent contrails. I would not fill impressionable minds with ideas that they are being poisoned from the sky.

The other day I saw a plane that left no trail at all!!!! perhaps it was dropping an invisible poison.:rolleyes:

nectars

08-04-2009, 11:34 PM

This may have already been posted but oh well :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0CTB61F6Qo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOJ4z8yqa54

beldazar

09-04-2009, 08:41 AM

I would say they are persisten or non-persistent contrails. I would not fill impressionable minds with ideas that they are being poisoned from the sky.

The other day I saw a plane that left no trail at all!!!! perhaps it was dropping an invisible poison.:rolleyes:

I would say I dont believe you....

I took a couple of pictures of the sky full of chemtrails yesterday afternoon, I will put them up later.

I asked my 13 year old what he thought of them, he said, "they're horrible, it looks like paint thrown over something that took a long time to make," How profound! Im doubly proud of him!

Oh and just so add, look back through all the numerous posts Ive made on chemtrails and you will see that I have stated that Im not sure they are especially for poisoning people! :p

The sky above my house yesterday afternoon 8th april,

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3795/chemtrails001.jpg (http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chemtrails001.jpg)

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3576/chemtrails002.jpg (http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chemtrails002.jpg)

The trails are spreading out to affect the SUN

gilly

09-04-2009, 08:57 AM

The other day I saw a plane that left no trail at all!!!! perhaps it was dropping an invisible poison.:rolleyes:

Planes have to be at a high altitude, where the air is less than -40 degrees C before a trail is visible.

banjoreality

09-04-2009, 09:27 AM

I would say they are persisten or non-persistent contrails. I would not fill impressionable minds with ideas that they are being poisoned from the sky.

The other day I saw a plane that left no trail at all!!!! perhaps it was dropping an invisible poison.:rolleyes:

HEY EVERYONE!!! MARPAT'S A SHILL!!!!!

MARPAT (short for MARine PATtern) is a pixelated camouflage pattern in use by the United States Marine Corps, introduced with the Marine Corps Combat Utility Uniform (MCCUU), which replaced the Camouflage Utility Uniform.

stopm arguing with him and expose him for what he really is.

cafetimes1991

09-04-2009, 11:47 AM

im also not in de uk

Me neither.

poshrat

09-04-2009, 12:07 PM

flyermay

09-04-2009, 12:13 PM

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/04/09/article-1168637-045DD1F0000005DC-675_468x331.jpg

The spraying of sulphur dioxide particles, aluminium oxide dust or "specially designed" aerosols has been reported in todays Daily Mail newspaper (09/04/2009) page 21.

Also on their website-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1168637/Obama-pollution-particles-stratosphere-deflect-suns-heat-desperate-bid-tackle-global-warming.html

The reporter is David Gardner.

I saw it yesterday, and that sounds as an excuse to cover up what they've been doing for years.

And the worst of it is that now everyone would say: "you see, there is nothing wrong with the chemtrail; it's for global warming"

I'm starting to see what they really discussed in the G20. First the phrase "New World Order" in all the media, now an excuse for chemtrails; it seems they tried really hard to look for ways of silencing us; or at least take importance out of our claims. A total brainwash!!!

Either way, thanks for the post. I'm wondering what would Marpat say about this.

cafetimes1991

09-04-2009, 12:16 PM

Anyone here have any good chemtrail leaflet/flyer designs for distribution in Ireland? I was thinking of printing about fifty.

flyermay

09-04-2009, 12:24 PM

Anyone here have any good chemtrail leaflet/flyer designs for distribution in Ireland? I was thinking of printing about fifty.

I made this one, but I'm sure there are better ones around

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=309&pictureid=3029

cafetimes1991

09-04-2009, 12:26 PM

I made this one, but I'm sure there are better ones around

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=309&pictureid=3029

Very nicely done, flyermay! :) *Saves to computer*.

flyermay

09-04-2009, 12:28 PM

Very nicely done, flyermay! :) *Saves to computer*.

I think it should mention the word "chemtrails", otherwise most people would think I'm only talking about polution. :rolleyes:

steevo

09-04-2009, 12:30 PM

Anyone here have any good chemtrail leaflet/flyer designs for distribution in Ireland? I was thinking of printing about fifty.

My leaflet mentions Gordon Brown but it could be changed to whatever name you want to put in it's place to cater for the Irish people.

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/3624/chemtrails1.jpg

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/2034/chemtrails2.jpg

freckles

09-04-2009, 12:41 PM

Unfortuantely I cant either as I am in Ireland. Did sign the international one though and I am trying to raise awareness through my social networking sites.

flyermay

09-04-2009, 02:29 PM

My leaflet mentions Gordon Brown but it could be changed to whatever name you want to put in it's place to cater for the Irish people.

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/3624/chemtrails1.jpg

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/2034/chemtrails2.jpg

I like your leaflets, but the first thing people are going say to dismiss it is that the pictures have been photoshoped.

I'm not sure about my picture either, I found it on the net, but I can't tell if it is real of photoshoped. I have more pictures taken during these past 3 weeks, but none of them are so espectacular.

I made this picture yesterday, where you see how the chemtrails fall down in the from of a mist. But I guess people would have a hard time associating the mist with the chemtrails (as they didn't witnessed first hand as I did).

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=3160

hagbard_celine

09-04-2009, 02:56 PM

I have made contact with our member of parliament regards chemtrail spraying.

Well done:). Ian Crane tried to do that with his local MP, Sir Anthony Stein, but he thinks Stein was warned off when he made enquiries. It's the "Men in Grey Suits" again!:eek::(

poshrat

09-04-2009, 04:03 PM

Well done:). Ian Crane tried to do that with his local MP, Sir Anthony Stein, but he thinks Stein was warned off when he made enquiries. It's the "Men in Grey Suits" again!:eek::(

Thanks Hagbard_Celine I had a reply and he basically is not interested. Says my video footage on you youtube of the chemtrails is what he calls vapour trails.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wEELDUnGygfeature=related

So I sent him the link to the daily mail website and newspaper article which was printed today which says about aerosol spraying of aluminium oxide.

It is on page 21

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1168637/Obama-pollution-particles-stratosphere-deflect-suns-heat-desperate-bid-tackle-global-warming.html

I am looking forward to his reply.

poshrat

09-04-2009, 04:08 PM

marpat

09-04-2009, 04:09 PM

I would say I dont believe you....

I took a couple of pictures of the sky full of chemtrails yesterday afternoon, I will put them up later.

I asked my 13 year old what he thought of them, he said, "they're horrible, it looks like paint thrown over something that took a long time to make," How profound! Im doubly proud of him!

Oh and just so add, look back through all the numerous posts Ive made on chemtrails and you will see that I have stated that Im not sure they are especially for poisoning people! :p

So you dont believe me when I saw an aircraft leave no trail? to me that just proves my point so much more. You chose to believe what you want.

What did your kid base his assessment of the situation on? what you have told him. Parrots can do that too.

poshrat

09-04-2009, 04:15 PM

Well done:). Ian Crane tried to do that with his local MP, Sir Anthony Stein, but he thinks Stein was warned off when he made enquiries. It's the "Men in Grey Suits" again!:eek::(

Just had his reply....

Thanks. Mail story sounds rather far fetched to me.

That was all he put.

How much does an MP get paid???? This is a joke and yes there maybe men in grey suits telling him to back off but his lack of interest/concern really says it all.

gilly

09-04-2009, 04:36 PM

So you dont believe me when I saw an aircraft leave no trail? to me that just proves my point so much more. You chose to believe what you want.

What did your kid base his assessment of the situation on? what you have told him. Parrots can do that too.

I guess you didn't read this the first time I posted it, this morning...

Planes have to be at a high altitude, where the air is less than -40 degrees C before a trail is visible

flyermay

09-04-2009, 05:01 PM

Good photo flyermay. I can instantly recognise chemtrails and the mist they create. Alot of people don't look up and don't know what to look for.

Thanks Poshrat,

There is no doubt that the mist doesn't look at all ordinary. First because you can see a beutifull blue sky at the back; because you can clearly see the difference between the normal clouds at the back (cumulus) and the mist at the front; and bacause the mist is horizontaly layered (I mean, it's not a regular uniform mist).

But I guess that most people still won't see nothing wrong with that pictures; without having witnessed what happened before, when they started spraying. That happened to me for a long time. As I just realised there was something wrong going on 3 weeks ago. Actually I found this forum just because I was looking for an explanation to what I witnessed.

beldazar

09-04-2009, 05:12 PM

So you dont believe me when I saw an aircraft leave no trail? to me that just proves my point so much more. You chose to believe what you want.

What did your kid base his assessment of the situation on? what you have told him. Parrots can do that too.

No. He just came straight out and said it. He does that sometimes....:p

Your'e not particularly bright Marpat, where does it imply I thought that?
Ive seen a plane fly without leaving a trail, right next to one that was! :eek:

(your hearts not really in this is it?)

beldazar

09-04-2009, 05:13 PM

I guess you didn't read this the first time I posted it, this morning...

Planes have to be at a high altitude, where the air is less than -40 degrees C before a trail is visible

this is something they seem to miss :rolleyes:

gilly

09-04-2009, 05:16 PM

this is something they seem to miss :rolleyes:

It seem that someone who shall remain nameless is just trying to wind you up for sport Beldazar.

beldazar

09-04-2009, 05:31 PM

Yes he does seem to be following me around the forum of late....

pirateben

09-04-2009, 05:33 PM

iv signed it and sent links for the petition and info sites about chemtrails to lots of people i know. even if this does get ignored by DS, maybe if there are a lot more sigs on it, it might get some media attention

poshrat

09-04-2009, 05:45 PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1168637/Obama-pollution-particles-stratosphere-deflect-suns-heat-desperate-bid-tackle-global-warming.html

Obama may fire pollution particles into stratosphere to deflect sun's heat in desperate bid to tackle global warming

President Barack Obama is considering a radical plan to tackle global warming by firing pollution particles into the stratosphere to deflect some of the sun’s heat.

The controversial experiment was touted yesterday as a possible last resort to help cool the Earth’s air by the president’s new science advisor John Holdren.

‘It’s got to be looked at. We don’t have the luxury of taking any approach off the table,’ said Mr Holdren, Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology.

Holdren, director of the White House Office of Science and Technology, outlined the idea of shooting either sulphur dioxide particles, aluminium oxide dust or specially designed aerosols into the stratosphere - the upper level of the atmosphere between ten and 30 miles above the Earth's surface.

It is hoped that this would cool the planet by artificially reflecting sunlight back into space before it can be absorbed.

Naval guns, rockets, high-flying aircraft and even hot air balloons have been put forward as possible ways of firing the agent into the air.

Mr Holdren admitted the scheme could have grave side effects and would not completely solve all the problems from soaring greenhouse gas emissions.

But he said he had raised the idea with the Obama administration and added: 'We might get desperate enough to want to use it.'

Mr Holdren insisted that dramatic action is needed to halt climate change which he compared to being 'in a car with bad brakes driving towards a cliff in a fog'.

There has been widespread resistance in the scientific community to attempts to deliberately modify the environment on such a large scale.

Opponents fear that tampering with the atmosphere's delicate balance could have consequences that would be even worse than global warming.

But Mr Holdren suggested time could be running out. He outlined several 'tipping points' involving climate change that may be fast approaching, such as the complete loss of summer sea ice in the Arctic.

He said that once such milestones are reached it increases the chances of 'really intolerable consequences'.

Mr Holdren also proposed the option of developing 'artificial trees' that would suck carbon dioxide - the chief human-produced greenhouse gas - out of the air and store it.

The synthetic tree, described as looking like a goal post with Venetian blinds, would draw carbon dioxide out of the air, as plants do during photosynthesis.

The idea seemed too costly at first, and is only on the drawing board, but Mr Holdren said it was feasible.

I found this image on a different site covering the same topic.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ntPvxrrLGnw/Sd1fjkqPQ0I/AAAAAAAAANY/fzdcJ7ZOOn8/s1600/climate%2Bengineering.gif

marpat

09-04-2009, 06:23 PM

I guess you didn't read this the first time I posted it, this morning...

Planes have to be at a high altitude, where the air is less than -40 degrees C before a trail is visible

Wow, really, well I never knew that :rolleyes: Can you define high altitude as it is quite a vague statement.

marpat

09-04-2009, 06:24 PM

No. He just came straight out and said it. He does that sometimes....:p

Your'e not particularly bright Marpat, where does it imply I thought that?
Ive seen a plane fly without leaving a trail, right next to one that was! :eek:

(your hearts not really in this is it?)

I dont believe you

gilly

09-04-2009, 06:40 PM

Wow, really, well I never knew that :rolleyes: Can you define high altitude as it is quite a vague statement.

If you're interested, why not google it, as opposed to wasting other people's time? Do your own homework.

marpat

09-04-2009, 06:43 PM

If you're interested, why not google it, as opposed to wasting other people's time? Do your own homework.

just wanting to see if you knew. You have given me my answer.

Wasting other peoples time? would that be the dole dwellers of the forum?

gilly

09-04-2009, 06:54 PM

just wanting to see if you knew. You have given me my answer.

Wasting other peoples time? would that be the dole dwellers of the forum?

Tough luck, once again. I'm not on the dole, so you're off target lovey. Good try though. :p

mountain

09-04-2009, 07:17 PM

Don't worry, I will solve all our chemtrail problems..... :D

http://i40.tinypic.com/2z706df.jpg

beldazar

09-04-2009, 07:44 PM

Just for you Marpat

I would say I dont believe you....

I took a couple of pictures of the sky full of chemtrails yesterday afternoon, I will put them up later.

I asked my 13 year old what he thought of them, he said, "they're horrible, it looks like paint thrown over something that took a long time to make," How profound! Im doubly proud of him!

Oh and just so add, look back through all the numerous posts Ive made on chemtrails and you will see that I have stated that Im not sure they are especially for poisoning people! :p

The sky above my house yesterday afternoon 8th april,

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3795/chemtrails001.jpg (http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chemtrails001.jpg)

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3576/chemtrails002.jpg (http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chemtrails002.jpg)

The trails are spreading out to affect the SUN

marpat

09-04-2009, 07:49 PM

Yawn

That only depends on your relative position to the sun. To other people it would not look like that. The sun still seems to be visible.

beldazar

09-04-2009, 07:52 PM

Yawn

That only depends on your relative position to the sun. To other people it would not look like that. The sun still seems to be visible.

:rolleyes:

poshrat

09-04-2009, 07:59 PM

Don't worry, I will solve all our chemtrail problems..... :D

http://i40.tinypic.com/2z706df.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/Momotombo.jpg

Momotombo

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/Vesuvius_from_plane.jpg/800px-Vesuvius_from_plane.jpg

Versuvius

kriss_crow

09-04-2009, 08:01 PM

Signed

I hope you just kidding marpat...
or you was born in 90's so you never seen how the real sky looked like.

mountain

09-04-2009, 08:09 PM

Hey Beldazar, I agree with you.

I just took this a moment ago. I might add today is clear here and no chemtrails and the sun is very bright and clear.... It is 2:09 pm.

http://i40.tinypic.com/2u5euu0.jpg

beldazar

09-04-2009, 08:14 PM

mountain

09-04-2009, 09:02 PM

Hey Bel, here's another I took a month ago. I loved the effect through the trees... very bright that day also even through the trees!

Was strolling to the market...

http://i39.tinypic.com/k3ruyr.jpg

steevo

09-04-2009, 09:18 PM

I like your leaflets, but the first thing people are going say to dismiss it is that the pictures have been photoshoped.

I'm not sure about my picture either, I found it on the net, but I can't tell if it is real of photoshoped. I have more pictures taken during these past 3 weeks, but none of them are so espectacular.

I made this picture yesterday, where you see how the chemtrails fall down in the from of a mist. But I guess people would have a hard time associating the mist with the chemtrails (as they didn't witnessed first hand as I did).

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=3160

You can use a diferent picture if you want. I dont think that people tend to think they are photoshopped pictures. Even if they DO think that, it dont matter, cos it means that the seed has been planted if they have got as far as THINKING about what is in the leaflet. That is all it takes. It doesnt discredit what is in the leaflet, they can just "LOOK UP" any time they want and see it in "real time" for themselves.
I am just planting seeds, cos that is all that is necessary. I dont force it on them. If they are interested then they can look it up on google or whatever. Either way, the seed is in their head. Mission accomplished.

flyermay

09-04-2009, 10:44 PM

You can use a diferent picture if you want. I dont think that people tend to think they are photoshopped pictures. Even if they DO think that, it dont matter, cos it means that the seed has been planted if they have got as far as THINKING about what is in the leaflet. That is all it takes. It doesnt discredit what is in the leaflet, they can just "LOOK UP" any time they want and see it in "real time" for themselves.
I am just planting seeds, cos that is all that is necessary. I dont force it on them. If they are interested then they can look it up on google or whatever. Either way, the seed is in their head. Mission accomplished.

You are absolutely right. For example, I know a guy that is every day around the "chemtrail" threads though he assures and reassures that he doesn't believe there's nothing wrong with them.

That's the whole point of making people awere; get them to enquire is just the first step.

poshrat

09-04-2009, 11:58 PM

Alex Jones is now angry about chemtrails too.

He says his next movie now will be about chemtrails.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyMgGlM2aD0feature=related

indirect and semi-direct aerosol spraying campaign

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/contrail%20clutter.jpg

marpat

10-04-2009, 12:05 AM

You are absolutely right. For example, I know a guy that is every day around the "chemtrail" threads though he assures and reassures that he doesn't believe there's nothing wrong with them.

That's the whole point of making people awere; get them to enquire is just the first step.

But he is not right. Looking at trails in the sky proves nothing. Why cant people actually accept that just looking at a trail will do nothing for their cause? if you want to prove to people that these trails are a threat you have to go much further than making a few leaflets that tell people to look at the sky. This is the level of mentality that you see among church goers who think all the worlds problems will go away if everybody just prayed to Jesus. There will be two results of such action:

1) Some people will just accept what the leaflet claims at face value. These are the sort of people who would take the tabloids at face value too. These people will be accepted as awakened, open minded people.

2) Some people will begin to ask demanding questions, which will not be answered with any real proof. These people will then be cast off as closed minded.

steevo

10-04-2009, 12:18 AM

But he is not right. Looking at trails in the sky proves nothing. Why cant people actually accept that just looking at a trail will do nothing for their cause? if you want to prove to people that these trails are a threat you have to go much further than making a few leaflets that tell people to look at the sky. This is the level of mentality that you see among church goers who think all the worlds problems will go away if everybody just prayed to Jesus. There will be two results of such action:

1) Some people will just accept what the leaflet claims at face value. These are the sort of people who would take the tabloids at face value too. These people will be accepted as awakened, open minded people.

2) Some people will begin to ask demanding questions, which will not be answered with any real proof. These people will then be cast off as closed minded.

They can ask questions to their government if they want answers. And THEN make their own minds up. If they dont want answers then fair enough, I dont care. I have done my bit by alerting them to the information.

If you dont like that Marpat, then it's tough!

steevo

10-04-2009, 12:23 AM

By the way, if anyone is planning to send out chemtrails leaflets, then you had better do it bloody quickly cos I have a feeling that the PTB are gonna admit to "blocking out the sun to prevent global warming"* soon and put a positive spin on it. We have the chance NOW to tell people the truth about chemtrails BEFORE the PTB put their spin on it. It's the perfect opportunity to plant REAL seeds.

*http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60972

flyermay

10-04-2009, 12:30 PM

They can ask questions to their government if they want answers. And THEN make their own minds up. If they dont want answers then fair enough, I dont care. I have done my bit by alerting them to the information.

If you dont like that Marpat, then it's tough!

Don’t worry too much about what this guy says, he is just an agent of disinformation, trying to mess it all up and discourage others to take any action (and he is probably getting paid for it by the same people that spray the chemtrails).

Governments have been using these tactics for a long time, but the best examples were the protests in Seattle, where all pressure groups were infiltrated by agents. This is not a conspiracy theory of mine, it has been widely documented, the authorities are openly proud of their job, and it is even taught in most business schools as an example of bad organisation from the protesters.

Read post #113 from the “Hate for Heroes (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57934&page=12)” thread, and judge for yourself who he is and what he thinks of all of us.

poshrat

10-04-2009, 12:49 PM

Search google - "Deep Shield" Holmestead

I have taken this info from http://www.holmestead.ca/chemtrails/shieldproject.html

Tuesday, 28 September 2004: If you have visited this page before you will know of the story told by the scientist I named "Deep Shield".

I received word early today that "Deep Shield" had committed suicide late last Sunday afternoon at his home in the Emeryville/Berkeley/Oakland area of California.

The method used was to run a hose from his car's exhaust pipe into the closed car in his garage. His wife found his body and she says that there was no suicide note.

However her late husband's behaviour and mood for the past month had been extremely agitated and dark.

The police are not pursuing this as a homicide because it is, in their mind, a clear and cut case of suicide. There will be the usual inquest/autopsy and most likely a very quiet funeral due to the nature of the death.

Our most sincere condolences are offered to his family.

Here we quote the communication from "Deep Shield":

Having read your email, I must say that you are full of questions. These questions I would dismiss immediately as being the frustrated attempts of fringe groups to bring a halt to the project, however these reports of biological material being part of the spray should be addressed. Therefore I will give as much attention to all of your questions as possible.

1. What purpose do polymer threads imbedded with biological material serve in this scenario?

Polymers are part of the mixture and they do form in threads and in `tufts'. The idea is simple and comes to us from the spider. As you may know spider webbing is very light, some newborn spiders spin a `parachute' to catch the prevailing breeze to travel far from their place of birth. Spiders have been able to attain high altitudes and travel great distances for long periods of time. Most of the elements used in the spray are heavier than air, even in their powdered form they are heavier and will sink quickly. Mixing them with the polymers suspends the particles in the atmosphere high above the surface for longer periods of time, therefore in theory we do not need to spray as often or as much material. Since the suspended particles eventually do settle into the lowest part of the atmosphere and are inhaled by all life forms on the surface there is an attempt to counter the growth of mold by adding to the mixture mold growth suppressants - some of which may be of biological material.

Mold comes in spores that travel on the winds; the polymers can attract mold spores through static charges created by the friction of the polymer threads and the atmosphere. Add a bit of warmth and moisture and mold begins to grow. The polymer is stored in a liquid form as two separate chemicals. When sprayed they combine behind the plane `spinning' long polymer chains (threads). Much tinkering has been done which the chemical matrix in past years. Many polymers (plastics) are non-biodegradable thus add to the problem of pollution. Various formula have been used, some which even use biological agents. It would be great if we could reproduce the same web material that spiders make, it is extremely strong, extremely lightweight and breaks down relatively fast in the ecology.

2. If this spraying is to mitigate global warming, why does so much of it take place at night?

Though it would appear that the dispersal rate of the spray is fast, it is actually takes much longer to be an effective shield. There is a desired concentration being sought. One that is thick enough to stem the UV and the Infrared, while being thin enough to allow visible light through. A perpetual cloud cover would have disastrous effects on plant life; the food chain thus disrupted would soon collapse. The desired effect wanted is a thin cover that would theoretically create a daytime haze that allows plenty of sunlight while providing protection. From UV radiation and also reflect enough infrared to maintain nominal temperatures.

The optimal condition is to use the least amount of material to provide the maximum amount of shielding. Ideally that would be a one-time application which would stay suspended for years, however, as noted, barium and aluminum and other trace elements are far heavier than air and they sink rather rapidly. The different temperatures between day and night causes massive volumes of air to rise during the night, the warm air trapped at the surface rises above the cooling air above. By strategically spraying in certain areas at night, we get the advantage of the rising air, which not only pushes the material higher, but also causes the material to disperse into a thin layer.

I would suggest studying on the subject of weather, namely highs and lows and how air moves to fully understand the times of spraying. I note, it is not just global warming we are combating here, we are also combating UV Summer. Global warming could effectively be treated by applications during the night, when the warm air rises. However the UV needs to be treated during the day. This is why on some days one finds that more spraying is done during the day. The UV indexes are monitored constantly for local areas. If the problem were simply cooling the earth, rockets would have been used to suspend particles in the high atmosphere. However the delicate nature of the Ozone Layer precludes this method of shielding. More on this in the answer to Question 6.

3. What other military programs are in place involving the spraying of barium and what are their purposes? Do you know and understand the chemical make up of the element?

A little knowledge will go a long way to understanding the need to use barium: Barium is often used in barium-nickel alloys for spark-plug electrodes and in vacuum tubes as a drying and oxygen-removing agent. Barium oxidizes in air, and it reacts vigorously with water to form the hydroxide, liberating hydrogen. In moist air it may spontaneously ignite. It burns in air to form the peroxide, which produces hydrogen peroxide when treated with water. Barium reacts with almost all of the nonmetals; all of its water-soluble and acid-soluble compounds are poisonous. Barium carbonate is used in glass, as a pottery glaze, and as a rat poison. Chrome yellow (barium chromate) is used as a paint pigment and in safety matches. The chlorate and nitrate are used in pyrotechnics to provide a green color. Barium oxide strongly absorbs carbon dioxide and water; it is used as a drying agent. Barium chloride is used in medicinal preparations and as a water softener. Barium sulfide phosphoresces after exposure to light; it is sometimes used as a paint pigment. Barite, the sulfate ore, has many industrial uses. Because barium sulfate is virtually insoluble in water and acids, it can be used to coat the alimentary tract to increase the contrast for X-ray photography without being absorbed by the body and poisoning the subject.

Note what Barium Oxide can do, absorb carbon dioxide - one of the chief gasses causing the green house effect. In my answer to Question 4 I will discuss the need to carry a current in the shield. I would like to point out that barium and aluminum work together to diffuse and strengthen an electrical charge. Somewhat like the current produced when acid is introduced between two dissimilar metals, such as iron and copper. There are military applications for everything you can think of, can not a butter knife be used as a weapon? The same concept holds true here.

4. What is the connection between ELF, EMF, VLF and Chemtrails spraying? Or is there one?

To understand the use of radio waves in the shield, one first understands how ozone is created. I cannot stress to you how dire the situation really is. The shield in place is only a partial solution; we must counter the depletion of the ozone- this means we must make ozone in the stratosphere. Ozone at ground levels does no good; indeed, ozone pollution at ground levels it what is used to determine the air quality. Higher levels of ground level ozone mean that air quality is bad. Pure ozone is an unstable, faintly bluish gas with a characteristic fresh, penetrating odor. The gas has a density of 2.144 grams per liter at standard temperature and pressure. Below its boiling point (-112?) ozone is a dark blue liquid; below its melting point (-193?) it is a blue-black crystalline solid. Ozone is triatomic oxygen, O3, and has a molecular weight of 47.9982 atomic mass units (amu). It is the most chemically active form of oxygen. It is formed in the ozone layer of the stratosphere by the action of solar ultraviolet light on oxygen. Although it is present in this layer only to an extent of about 10 parts per million, ozone is important because its formation prevents most ultraviolet and other high-energy radiation, which is harmful to life, from penetrating to the earth's surface. Ultraviolet light is absorbed when its strikes an ozone molecule; the molecule is split into atomic and diatomic oxygen: 03+ ultraviolet light ->0+02. Later, in the presence of a catalyst, the atomic and diatomic oxygen reunite to form ozone.

Ozone is also formed when an electric discharge passes through air; for example, it is formed by lightning and by some electric motors and generators. Ozone is produced commercially by passing dry air between two concentric-tube or plate electrodes connected to an alternating high voltage; this is called the silent electric discharge method. Since UV radiation is the problem, we can not use UV to produce more stratospheric ozone. Another method must be found. The shield acts like one plate of the electrode, when tickled with certain radio waves; it produces an opposite charge to stratospheric layers producing low atmosphere to stratosphere lightening. Creating ozone where it is needed.

5. If this is being done for the reasons you say, then why are other chemicals being used, why are different sprays being used?

Correcting the ecological damage that mankind has done has NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE. We are relatively new to this notion of terraforming on a real scale. That is what we are doing, Terraforming. We are trying to recreate the ideal life-sustaining conditions on a dying planet. We have never done this before, not intentionally. We are testing and trying different methods. Granted, if we do nothing 89% of all species will go extinct and humanity stands a high chance of not surviving through two more generations (or less). However the idea of 2 billion casualties death and permanent injury is not easy to swallow either.

Several attempts to improve the application of Shielding material and getting the most out of each application are taking place all the time. The combined resources of the nations of earth are not enough to allow constant spraying. Though we have achieved a high level of technology, there is a great surface area that needs to be covered nearly daily. Large sections of ocean are all but ignored; the remaining land masses are more than what can be covered effectively. The Shield would work best if it was a single thin layer without interruption, however due to the movement of air, weather patterns and the sad fact that we do not have the means to place ample amounts of material at the same level at the same time we are getting a small fraction of the effectiveness from our applications.

6. Why is spraying found before storm fronts? Is it to cause drought?

Before a storm there is a front, the front clears the air before a storm, pushing particulate matter ahead of it, leaving a space relatively clear of particulate matter. UV radiation levels rise in these areas, sometimes to dangerous levels. The shield must be maintained. Since barium absorbs water as well as carbon dioxide, precipitation has been affected. Other kinds of sprays are in development and testing which may reduce the affects on precipitation. As I stated above, this is a new technology we are working with, it is still in its infancy and there are some problems with it.

7. Why are UFO's and disappearing spray planes reported?

I do not know.

8. What about the reports of sickness after spraying?

There are several causatives for this. Some people are more sensitive to metals, whiles others are sensitive to the polymer chemicals. As stated in a previous email, people will get sick, and some will die. It is estimated that 2 billion worldwide will be affected to some degree by the spraying. Without spraying we have a 90% + chance of becoming extinct as a species with in the next 20 years.

9. What is the relationship between these spraying programs and One World Order?

Personally I am against the move for globalization, and yes, there is potential to use the Shield to speed up the process of globalization, there are several countries that are involved in this project: European Union Nations, USA and Russia are the largest contributors to the project, many of the allied nations and UN Members participate to one extent or another. The material (chemical spray as you may call it) comes from all of these nations.

To insure that the chemicals are not tampered with, they are mixed and sprayed over random nations. This means that chemicals produced in the USA has a good chance of being sprayed over Russia, England and the USA. This random spray of material means that no nation would be certain that their chemicals will be sprayed over a nation which they have issues with. Russian planes may be seen in USA skies, but so too will USA planes be seen in Russian skies. The canisters used are sealed in a third nation that has no idea where its canister is going. Participating nations have their observers at every station where canister loading is done. All of this to insure that the shield is not used as a weapon. To further insure that the shield is not used as a weapon, non participant nations are sprayed by participants who must spray in order to get enough material to maintain their nations shield. It is understood that not spraying is as much a military offense as shooting at them.

Without the shield, UV poisoning would cause great death. The threat is a common one, which has brought nations together in defense. The natural outcome of having a common enemy is to strengthen international ties - a step toward globalization.

10. Is the Spraying related to terrorism?

Yes and no. Recent terrorist activity can be traced to resistance groups who feel that we should not interfere with the natural order of things. As you know, there are many rumors out there as to what the Shield Program is. Some believe that this is a population reduction scheme, designed to kill off 'undesirable' peoples. While others hold that this is a mind control program. There are many theories which have sinister plots in them these are propagated by the resistance groups in an attempt to stop the shield regardless of the consequences.

The same delivery method could be used for biological and chemical warfare. It could also be used to inoculate large populations, the effectiveness of these uses are low, there are better methods that can be used. As a means to fight terrorism it is ineffectual, it is far easier to inoculate a population individually and would insure full inoculation against germ warfare.

11. Why all the secrecy?

Due to the severity of the situation it is mandatory to maintain public calm for as long as possible. The Earth is dying. Humanity is on the road to extinction - without the Shield mankind will die off with in 20 to 50 years. Most people alive today could live to see this extinction take place. This means that an announcement of the situation we face boils down to telling every man, woman and child on earth that they have no future, they are going to be killed. People would panic. There would be economic collapse, the production and movement of goods would collapse. Millions would die in all cities on earth, riots and violence would reduce civilian centers to rubble within days. Half of the population in dense metropolitan areas would try to leave the cities seeking 'safety' in the rural areas thinking that they would be safe. Those left behind in the cities would be at war with their neighbors, fighting for the remaining supplies. We would be telling the world that the world is coming to an end, and even with the Shield the chances of survival are small.

UV Summer and Global Warming are the immediate problems we face, there are far greater problems that are raising their ugly heads and will present new problems which in some cases have no viable solutions at this time. Ecologies are collapsing. The extinction rate of species is climbing. The amount of chemical pollutants in the water and soil are fast approaching and in many places has surpassed the earth's ability to heal itself. Crop failure is on the rise, even in the USA the returns on crops are smaller than they were 10 years ago. Even with the advances in genetically altered food crops, we are falling behind in our ability to produce enough to go around. Throughout the 20th century chemical fertilizers and pesticides were used to insure the best yields. Unfortunately many of these have contaminated ground water, killed beneficial insects along with the undesirable insects. These chemicals have gotten into the food chain and are affected other species besides mankind. It is only a matter of years before famine spreads like a cancer throughout the world.

Clean fresh water is in short supply, in many places well water is non-potable, containing the run off of pesticides, herbicides and fertilizers that have been used on crops and lawns. The water treatment facilities we have are unable to scrub out all of the toxins we have placed in the soil and water supply. Many of the toxins we find build up over time in the body, a long slow poisoning which has been making its presence felt in many areas of the world in the form of cancers, leukemia, sterility, birth defects, learning disorders, immune deficiency problems, etc. These are on the rise, any good researcher can find the records. For decades there was public outcry for the end to pollution. For every small step we made to clean up our production, millions where born who added to the problem. Yes, pollution is down per individual, however there are a couple more billion individuals producing pollution, thus the real numbers have an increase in over all pollution produced. Name a city that does not have problems with smog. You would be hard pressed to find one. Though smog controls on automobiles is higher than ever before, the number of autos on the road has increased thus the amount of smog producing pollutants is higher than ever before. All the clean air acts passed to curb individual factory and auto emissions did not address the production of more factories and more autos. Here an uneasy compromise was made between the need to maintain the economy against the need to maintain the ecology. The ecology lost since it was estimated to be a problem decades from now. The economy was a problem that would have dire effects today.

All of these factors combined have produced a scenario that in shorts boils down to the end of the world in 50 to 75 years. Even if we were to stop all emissions of pollution today, the inertia of past decades is enough to carry us over the brink in 100 years. However we cannot stop the production of pollution, to do so would mean shutting down every factory, every auto, every train, truck, ship and every household on the planet. Electricity is used to heat many homes in the Western World. The production of electricity produces fewer pollutants than heating all homes with wood or coal. Cutting our power generation abilities down to hydroelectric and fission reactors would leave a good chunk of the world in the dark. It is an impossible situation, our civilization is geared to the use of energy, take away our energy and civilization will collapse.

12. When will spraying stop?

There are several factors governing this:

A. Should the Ozone layer repair itself or our active attempts at repair reduces the amount of ground level UV to acceptable levels, spraying will stop. Present calculations place this between 2018 and 2024.

B. Should another method be found which is more effective, less costly or presents us with long-term solutions the Shield project would be replaced.

C. When the other problems become too big to make the maintenance of the shield worth the effort. The estimated date for this is 2025 to 2050.

13. Since Global Warming and UV summer are the problem, why is the Government backing down on its pollution controls?

Because they are ineffectual and will cause more economic problems than they would solve ecological problems. We surpassed the threshold of Earth's ability to absorb pollutants in the 1970's. Since that time the earth's population has nearly doubled. Emerging Industrial nations have come into being, more pollutants are produced now than back then, even with the stringent controls in place. The world is heading for economic depression, more emission controls would add to the economic problems. This translates into our being unable to do anything to start solving the problems.

Unfortunately our technologies require a strong economy to advance. We need that advancement, we need the trillions of dollars spent on research that a strong economy causes. Each corporation that produces a product has a product development program in place. Many of the past products invented came by accident through other unrelated products. There is a corporate drive to find methods to clean up the ecology, to reduce emissions, etc. These goals have been in place for decades, many of the large corporations are in the know when it comes to the ecological problems we face thus they are spending a great deal of money and time on finding solutions to the problems we face. Take away the economy and their research stops.

14. How are you related to the Chemtrails? How do you know that this is what is happening?

I would prefer to not state who I am or how I am related to all of this. To validate what I say, would require a bit of research on your behalf. I would recommend the following subjects to look up and study:

A. Population numbers for industrial nations and the tons of pollutants produced annually. Start with 1975 and work your way up.

B. Number of emerging Industrial Nations.

C. Number of cases of Skin cancers worldwide.

D. Crop Production vs. land area dedicated to crop production. Simple math will show that more acreage is needed to produce food per individual.

E. Automobile production from 1975 to present, estimated number of autos on the road and the average emissions of later model cars produced as compared the emissions of earlier model cars. A little math will show that though individual autos produce less emissions, the amount of emissions has risen due to the number of autos on the road. Remember that many autos are the road that were built before present emission control standards. 1980 is a cut off date - anything put on the road before then produces more pollutants than autos produced today. I would include research in the number of diesel autos produced, diesel has not been under the emissions control acts.

F. Severity of storms and the number of severe storms. Also include heat waves and droughts in that research, you will find that the numbers are staggering when compared to data from 1950, 1960 and 1970.

G. Research how naturally occurring Ozone is produced in the stratosphere. Compare to how it is produced industrially.

H. Research political reforms in the past 30 years, see which political institutions have changed, which nations have joined with whom. Concentrate more on these from 1982 onward. This would include the fall of the Wall and Iron Curtain.

I. Research polymers and how they are made, look at recent research done in biological polymers, medical polymers and filaments.

J. Check out spiders and spider web and the way spiders use their different webs and threads.

K. Research clean fresh water estimates as compared to the 1970's to today - world wide.

L. Research the following medical conditions per capita: Birth Defects Cancers Leukemia Immune deficiency diseases (excluding virus borne ID illnesses such as HIV) Occurrences of Learning disabilities, including dyslexia, ADD, and over all IQ tests Sterility for both male and females world wide Instances of glaucoma and cataracts.

M. Compare the history of UV indexes from 1970 to present. You may note that it was on sharp rise until 1997-99.

N. I would strongly recommend researching the reactions of different barium and aluminum compounds and how they are used. Research how long it takes for these metals in pure form to oxidize, how they combine with nitrates, carbon monoxide carbon dioxide and fluorocarbons and hydrocarbons and water vapor.

O. Research how mold propagates, the conditions it needs to grow and just how abundant it is in the atmosphere.

If you pursue these lines of inquiry, you will see the Shield Project as it really is.

At the time of the US-lead invasion of Iraq I had the opportunity to ask a few supplementary questions. There has been no attempt to integrate these questions and answers into the previous section therefore some may appear somewhat out of logical order.

A couple of the questions have a Canadian approach. By the way, I came up with the name - have to call the source something!

Here we quote the further communication from "Deep Shield":

15. Could you, "Deep Shield" - be described as a scientist or...?

Scientist is a good generic term. I do study and research in a scientific manner. I carry papers and degrees. My official capacity is in direct research of atmospheric issues in relation to pollutants. I also create models of potential long-term effects of green house gasses on the climate. Predict wind patterns, weather patterns, etc.

I have spent a good many years working on the project calculating the amount of material needed and creating models for dispersion patterns. I work other members who know the chemicals used and their interactions with the atmosphere, pollution and water vapor. I am part of a team which itself is part of a larger team, which is part of still a larger team. Government work with many chiefs and levels above the workers.

16. Are you prepared to comment upon your personal motives for sharing this information?

Not at this time, no.

17. Have you signed a non-disclosure or Secrets Act document that specifically relates to this project?

Yes.

18. To your knowledge what categories of individuals officially know of the Project and are expected to remain silent? For example, my list of suspects includes government down to the county level, military especially air force, meteorologists, health specialists, mainstream media etc.

All those who know are expected to remain silent. All of those who suspect are either faced with trying to prove the virtually unprovable or are faced with good enough reasons to remain silent. I would assume that this situation is worldwide and could be considered one of the dangers of this project.

It was presented to me as a matter of national security. I can see the reasons why there is a desire to repress the information not that spraying is taking place but the hard little fact that we are facing a period of human history which might be the end of civilization.

19. Is the mainstream controlled media specifically ordered to avoid any mention of chemtrails? If so, have you anything further to add such as how was this done?

I would assume that the Media is controlled by its own desire to make money from what it reports. Since there is enough debunking out there, which says that contrails are part of the normal use of jet engines in the atmosphere, this would leave a reporter with very little to report unless there was solid evidence or pictures or something that could not be explained away.

You must know by now all the debunking methods that have been employed. The 'official' announcements are the media's main dish. The rest they regulate to the realm of the National Enquirer.

20. What government agency or agencies control this program? Is it under international control?

It is an international program. Many nations contribute in different ways. Measures have been taken to insure that what is sprayed over all countries is the same through triple blind deliveries; which include not knowing where a certain canister will end up, not knowing which aircraft a certain canister will be flown, and not even knowing who (in military craft) will be piloting a craft which has the purpose of spraying (Note: in today's world there is usually a mixed crew of different nationalities flying any one military aircraft on a Shield mission). I believe the Media caught Canadians in Iraq recently when Canada's official say on the matter was that Canada was not giving any support to the military might.

The fact remains that there were Canadian military with the USA forces. Some on aircraft carriers most being pilots. I think you can connect the dots.

21. How is the project funded - who pays for it? Have you any idea of the total direct operating cost? Also, does Canada make a funding contribution for the activities in our skies?

Most governments tend to over charge themselves to cover for their black operations (unofficial operations). That money comes out of the collection of taxes. So in effect the taxpayers of the world are paying for this project.

I would assume Canada does contribute funding to the Project. Canada is one of the top nations contributing time, material and funding to this project. Most of the Free World, the Western World, has taken on most of the burden of the costs.

22. Is the Shield Project the only such aerial spraying program?

Is it the only project designed to avert ecological disaster? Then yes. There are countless other projects that could be taking place which include spraying of some sort or another. Pesticides are usually sprayed. There has been great interest in weather control such as bringing rain to arid regions and taking the punch out of hurricanes and typhoons.

Weather control may be one of the final options left to us. Considering the amount of global warming that has taken place. There is a strong need to deflect a storm's fury, or to bring rain back to those regions which have been suffering drought.

What Mother Nature has done for millions of years automatically may now require mankind's hand to keep the schedule.

23. There are reports of four different chemtrail programs and other "code" names. For example, see: Holmestead: Chemtrails - what are they? Any comments?

It is possible that the Military does have a use for similar sprays. I cannot speak for the Military. However, my own personal research has come across these things as well. Are they possible? Yes. Are they practical? Only in the small scale say over the battlefield, or in the case of say the Iraq War, over Baghdad. Global application would be far too expensive and would require an obvious flight pattern of grids, circles and other heavy spray patterns.

24. Is all the spraying done using the "tank kits" described earlier or are the KC-135R and KC-10 types filled to the brim? Such aircraft have a load capacity of 200,000 pounds or more for refueling missions.

No. Several types of craft are used. Commercial jet airliners are used and they are not diverted from their flight paths to do so. How the canisters and the spraying is done on this kind of craft is unknown to me exactly. I do have my suspicions. I know best that which is my field; this is not to say that we do not talk around the water tank. So I know more than just my area and am able to think the matter through to its logical end.

I do know that even all the commercial jetliners in use are not enough to insure complete coverage all of the time. My computer models require knowing how much material needs to be sprayed. Certain conditions cause wide areas to suddenly (over hours) open up in the Shield. Then and only then is mass spraying done - and would be done with the most logical craft, a tanker.

Why not spray more from individual jetliners? That is one of the problems. Jetliners do not carry much material (100 to 500 gallons) because the material has to be spread out thinly.

Look at the kinds of material being used, aluminum, barium, titanium, etc. Most are highly reflective; in some instances the material is an absorber of gasses. In the case of reflection the desire is to reflect X amount of heat and X amount of UV while still maintaining acceptable (nominal) levels of UV and heat reaching the planet's surface.

Life requires a certain amount of both UV and Heat too much will kill - so will too little. The apparent amount looks like a lot more than what is actually being sprayed per volume of air it is covering. Most of the whitening of the sky is not the material per se, but the collection of water vapor, which forms into suspended ice crystals. The introduction of the material causes the water vapor to collect like rain collects on individual particles of dust.

Too much material would cause a "mud fall" of sorts where the naturally occurring water vapor would precipitate carrying the material with it.

Spraying is done in such away as to "layer" the material through a volume that will allow an acceptable level of UV and heat through along with all the other wavelengths of light. Photosynthesis is the foundation of life on our planet.

Only when all the material is removed in a local area does it require a massive spray, this is usually in the front of a weather system, or after a heavy period of precipitation. Then a tanker is flown, fully loaded.

25. Is there any truth in the story that some of the spraying is done by jetliners with modifications in the "honey" or waste compartment? For example, see mechanic story: Mechanic.

The technology used for spraying is rather simple. It requires at least two tanks under pressure, each carries half of the mixture which is sprayed at the same time forming a complete compound which is designed to be lightweight (so as to be suspended for longer periods of time).

There have been attempts to incorporate the materials in jet fuel, however the material binds with unburned jet fuel, water vapor, etc and does not have the added buoyancy of the polymer threads. The end result is a spray that is less than half as effective and is more dangerous since it can lead to sulfates, acids and other mixtures, which are more lethal than the spray.

It is very possible that the "honey" compartment is used. The amount of material needed is small compared to the payload of any given commercial airliner.

However, there is a good deal of fuel tank that is not used. Airliners only fuel their craft for the journey ahead of them; they rarely top off the tank. This has become public knowledge in light of 9-11. It was this small fact that caused the terrorists to pick pan-continental flights so they would have a plane fully loaded.

The majority of flights are short range and do not require the full capacity of an airliners fuel tanks. Any adaptations needed could easily be done during routine maintenance, and could be easily explained away as being a modification for safety and-or pollution controls.

This last is my own theory.

We can assume that any means possible to deliver the material is tried. Independent nations may favor one way of doing so over another.

26. Where are the official sources that state that a certain number of people (worldwide?) will sicken and possibly die as a result of the spraying? In other words, what *internal* studies have been done on the health issues and who carried them out?

WHO (World Health Organization) carried out most of the studies. Other nations have carried their own research on the matter. Some have said the ill effects will be minimal - along the lines of a million or so, while others have found the numbers to be far higher - 3 to 4 billion.

Some of the organizations include the CDC and independent labs. We are dealing with a situation where the amount of contamination is estimated to be far higher than what would normally take place but is far lower than historical instances of industrial contamination. This is important to note, the only real history we have with barium/aluminum/titanium etc. contamination is through factory workers, miners, etc, who receive a far greater dosage of the material than what is to be experienced by the populace under the Shield.

The amount of spray is very small compared to the volume of the space that is covered. Most of the harmful chemicals that are used are being dissipated over vast areas. Near coastal regions the fall out is not reaching land at all, but is being carried out to the oceans. The addition of polymers to make the material remain suspended in the air longer means that less material is being used.

Today the material used and its application is nothing like in the early days when it was sprayed in greater quantities and settling far faster to be inhaled by all.

The accepted Estimated Casualties (from WHO) is 2 billion over the course of 6 decades. The majority will be either the elderly, or those who are prone to respiratory problems. These numbers are based on the current estimates of the general health of the population, the average age and the occurrence of respiratory problems as a health issue. All are estimates since there are no solid numbers to work with.

27. Could you summarize the root causes of the initial destruction of the atmosphere that requires this "repair" work? Did it perhaps result in part from fluorides released/produced by the nuclear weapons programs?

In a word - Industry. Most fail to understand that the products we use, wear and live with are made in a manner that dumps CFC's and green houses gasses into the atmosphere. There is no one single causative in this issue. It goes way back to the Industrial Revolution and the use of coal to power steam engines. Since that time we have consumed greater and greater energy resources, dumping the waste where ever we wanted.

Up until very recently refrigeration was a big contributor, imagine all those hundreds of millions of households that owned and operated freon cooled refrigerators from 1940 to 1970. Not just one refrigerator per household, but over the course of time often multiple freon units. This doesn't include the various air conditioner systems or industrial refrigeration systems.

For a long period when the refrigerator or air conditioner unit was replaced, the old one was taken to the dump and thrown into the heap - the freon was free to escape and make its way up into the stratosphere to eat away at the ozone layer.

You can add to that list. Think of all the cars that had air conditioners, think of all those hair spray cans with their propellant gasses - the amount of those alone were enough to do great damage.

Styrofoam is another industry and product that has contributed to the problem. In the scheme of things atomic energy has contributed little compared to the consumer goods that have been manufactured during the past century.

Think of all the cars on the road today. In the late 1970's smog controls started getting stronger. Think of all the pre-1978 cars on the road - they are still producing a good many chemicals that leech into every corner of the globe.

28. Have you any comment on the use of so-called "CloudBusters" based upon the theories of Wilhelm Reich? For an example of this see: CloudBuster.

I could go on for hours about the particular errors of this site. (15 September 2005: Note that due to misunderstanding of this answer by some it is necessary to make clear that this reference by DS is to the: CloudBuster web site mentioned in the question.) Let us just cut to the chase: I seriously doubt that this machine does as it is reported to do. I could be wrong, but then I do not work with alternative energy sources such as Orgone energy.

Points to Ponder: Conroy Penner, British Columbia.

Here is the second item mentioned above:

Conroy Penner, of Victoria, British Columbia, Canada contacted me directly with his story. He told me that some years ago he used to work for a certain company in Western Canada and along with another person who was a qualified aerospace welder/fabricator he was assigned to work on construction of some special spray equipment for the United States Air Force.

The workers were told that the USAF contract involved equipment to be used to spray insects at airforce bases in the States. The spray systems incorporated exotic alloys and specially machined parts with large holding, pressure and surge tanks along with pumps. Penner became suspicious of the actual purpose of the whole project as, in his opinion, things simply did not "add up". He resigned after there were confrontations with the US military people and the management over the true purpose of the equipment.

Penner provided this photograph, that was taken in 1988 of some finished spray equipment on a flat bed trailer. There are parts carts in the foreground.

http://www.holmestead.ca/chemtrails/penner.jpg

The description states that the green tank sections are coated aluminum and the others are stainless steel for certain other chemicals. The smaller tanks are for the solution for purging the system. The large tanks are some 15 feet long and approximately 3 feet in diameter. The box seen at the right side of the photograph is the control panel, and the plumbing and pumps are underneath the tanks. It is said that these units were designed for use with Hercules C-130 aircraft and it is understood that in total eleven systems were to be made, this being the first.

I have on hand many other specifics from Penner but that is the general outline. All of this took place in 1988/89.

Comments: There are obviously some problems with this - it would be great to have the exact dates along with the names of the company management involved. Also the names and rank of the US military personnel involved is lacking.

As for the equipment itself - it looks much as if it could be ordinary aerial spraying systems - that is because indeed it may be just that with suitable modifications for the specialized USAF requirements. At this time the aerial spraying programme (chemtrails) was in the early stages of experimental development. Certainly at first it was reported that the C-130 was seen being used for aerial spraying (of unknown substances) and only later were the large refueling tankers seen spraying "chemtrails".

Further comments: Added 26 March 2003 - is an addition from (and confirmed by) the source of the main item above.

The canisters that are shown above are similar to what is known to be incorporated into this programme.

Two large ones are carried, one carrying one part of the chemical mix, the other carrying the other part, when combined they form long polymer chains - threads if you will. Even the green tint finish is typical.

However, the way it is understood here, is that the small tank provides the propellant (compressed gas) which is released into the larger tank. Much like a large aerosol can, except the compressed gas is stored in a separate tank which is much stronger, and able to sustain a far greater pressure than a larger tank.

Further confirmation of this particular aerial spray system is found at this United States Air Force Reserve, 910th Airlift Wing of Youngstown, Ohio website: Air Force Reserve - MASS. Plus, here is a second Air Force web site showing the MASS in use for aerial spraying. These pages will open in a separate window and may be kept open, minimized or closed to return here. Here the first page is quoted in part:

"Six Modular Aerial Spray Systems (MASS) are available at the 910 AW to conduct aerial spray missions.
Each system can be configured with up to four 500 gallon tanks for a total volume of 2000 gallons.
http://www.holmestead.ca/chemtrails/mass.jpg

USAF C-130 MODULAR AERIAL SPRAY SYSTEM (MASS)

The Aircraft. Four C-130H aircraft are modified to perform aerial application. Modifications consist mostly of ULV (Ultra-Low Volume) and LV (Low Volume) wing line installation and electrical modifications.

Spray System. The MASS is built by Lockheed/Conair. One of the major design criteria of the MASS was that it had to be a "roll-on/roll-off" system allowing the aircraft to be reconfigured for spray or airlift in under an hour. To accommodate the Roll-on/Roll-off design, the full MASS is designed in 3 modules, each attached to modified standard (463L) aircraft cargo pallets. The operators console, pumps, catwalks, and cradles for flush and chemical tanks are all secured to these modified pallets. The pallets lock into the C-130's dual rail system. Once the MASS is loaded, interconnecting plumbing and electrical circuits tie the MASS modules together. To contain any spillage of spray materials, a 1.5" lip (drip pan) surrounds the pallets. The dry weight of the MASS is ca. 10,500 lbs."

The 910 Airlift Wing webpage continues with more technical and operational details.

ALL CREDIT SHOULD GO TO http://www.holmestead.ca/index-ct.html

poshrat

11-04-2009, 01:48 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKdz2qZavLUfeature=related

dondaz

11-04-2009, 03:19 AM

I'm not in the UK so I couldn't contribute anyway, but aren't electronic petitions completely worthless?

I'm under the impression that only signed, hard copy petitions can be tabled in parliament and these online ones are just a way for people to vent their frustrations in a harmless and ineffectual way.

Sad but true!

To petition is to complain. A complaint is an instrument in statute legislation. Children complain, adults make a claim. I am ditching my citizen status as I wish not to contract with them anymore. I will become an adult so will be able to make a claim against them instead of just whinging to them as a child.

This is, I believe, what it's really about.:)

shodan

11-04-2009, 03:59 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoPPiDkXO3Y

poshrat

11-04-2009, 11:43 AM

Sad but true!

To petition is to complain. A complaint is an instrument in statute legislation. Children complain, adults make a claim. I am ditching my citizen status as I wish not to contract with them anymore. I will become an adult so will be able to make a claim against them instead of just whinging to them as a child.

This is, I believe, what it's really about.:)

The petition is a way of saying we are aware of what is happening.

All the civil servants, police, military personal and families are also being sprayed too. All the people working for the system a system that has been proven not to work. Hence the present financial crises. THEY HAVE CAUSED. THEY JUST WANT YOUR MONEY.

We need proof of what they are doing, why they are doing it, the fact they don't know what it is they are doing and then the proof they are lying to us.

The petition has been created to prove the government lies and couldn't give a damn about us peasants. The ones who are funding it all in the first place.

People can go on about 911 and 77 in London but it is too hard to prove.

CHEMTRAILS WE CAN PROVE.

They are happening right above our heads. They are lying to us.

Here is an email someone sent me as regards the Daily Mail story about spraying Aluminium Dioxide and Barium in the skies.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1168637/Obama-pollution-particles-stratosphere-deflect-suns-heat-desperate-bid-tackle-global-warming.html

So, after messing up the natural balance of nature on this planet we now want to try putting it right by messing with it some more? The stupidity of the human race never ceases to amaze me! What is wrong with working in harmony with nature by leaving our rain forests alone and stopping the use of fossil fuels? All of these things are possible now and the only reason they haven't happened is because of the short sighted greedy profit minded corporations and the "couldn't care less" governments that back them up.
The time has come to realize that we have a choice, live in harmony with nature, or become extinct! Oh and has anyone ever worked out what effect the toxic emmissions of war have on our planet?

THE PEOPLE IN POWER ARE NOT THE PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE IN POWER.

I found this yesterday:

An illusion it will be, so large, so vast it will escape their perception.

Those who will see it will be thought of as insane.

We will create separate fronts to prevent them from seeing the connection between us.

We will behave as if we are not connected to keep the illusion alive.

Our goal will be accomplished one drop at a time so as to never bring suspicion upon ourselves.

This will also prevent them from seeing the changes as they occur.
We will work together always and will remain bound by blood and secrecy.

Death will come to he who speaks.

We will keep their lifespan short and their minds weak while pretending to do the opposite.

We will use our knowledge of science and technology in subtle ways so they will never see what is happening.

We will use soft metals, aging accelerators and sedatives in food and water, also in the air.

They will be blanketed by poisons everywhere they turn.

The poisons will be hidden in everything that surrounds them, in what they drink, eat, breathe and wear.

We will create medicine that will make them sicker and cause other diseases for which we will create yet more medicine.

We will render them docile and weak before us by our power.

Their minds will belong to us and they will do as we say. If they refuse we shall find ways to implement mind-altering technology into their lives.

We will use fear as our weapon.

We will establish their governments and establish opposites within.
We will own both sides.

They will perform the labour for us and we shall prosper from their toil.

Our families will never mix with theirs.

Our blood must be pure always, for it is the way.

We will make them kill each other when it suits us.

We will keep them separated from the oneness by dogma and religion.

We will control all aspects of their lives and tell them what to think and how.

We will guide them kindly and gently letting them think they are guiding themselves.

We will foment animosity between them through our factions.
When a light shall shine among them, we shall extinguish it by ridicule, or death, whichever suits us best.

We will make them rip each other's hearts apart and kill their own children.

They will bathe in their own blood and kill their neighbours for as long as we see fit.

We will benefit greatly from this, for they will not see us, for they cannot see us.

We will continue to prosper from their wars and their deaths.

We will make them live in fear and anger.

We will use all their tools we have to accomplish this.

The tools will be provided by their labour.

We will make them hate themselves and their neighbours.

We will always hide the divine truth from them, that we are all one.

This they must never know!

Drop-by-drop; drop-by-drop we will advance our goal.

We will take over their land, resources and wealth to exercise total control over them.

We will deceive them into accepting laws that will steal the little freedom they will have.

We will establish a money system that will imprison them forever, keeping them and their children in debt.

When they shall ban together, we shall accuse them of crimes and present a different story to the world for we shall own all the media.

When they shall rise up against us we will crush them like insects, for they are less than that.

They will be helpless to do anything for they will have no weapons.
We will recruit some of their own to carry out our plans, we will promise them eternal life, but eternal life they will never have for they are not of us.

The truth will be hidden in their face, so close they will not be able to focus on it until its too late.

Oh yes, so grand the illusion of freedom will be, that they will never know they are our slaves.

When all is in place, the reality we will have created for them will own them.

Their minds will be bound by their beliefs, the beliefs we have established from time immemorial.

But if they ever find out they are our equal, we shall perish then. THIS THEY MUST NEVER KNOW.

If they ever find out that together they can vanquish us, they will take action.

They must never, ever find out what we have done, for if they do, we shall have no place to run. No one shall give us shelter.

This is the secret covenant by which we shall live the rest of our present and future lives, for this reality will transcend many generations and life spans.

This covenant is sealed by blood, our blood!

I am now calling on the earth and for help from outside our reality to help me.

People are too toxic shocked to care now. It is not their fault.

beldazar

11-04-2009, 02:57 PM

dondaz

11-04-2009, 03:57 PM

Hey poshrat. I understand why you are doing this and I agree with you it must be stopped. Without question.

Unfortunately the only thing a petition is going to create is a cover story that 'it's for our own good' and the good of the planet. Of course if this was true they would have told us they were going to be spaying the skies before they started spaying over 12 years ago.

Due to the severity of the situation it is mandatory to maintain public calm for as long as possible. The Earth is dying. Humanity is on the road to extinction - without the Shield mankind will die off with in 20 to 50 years. Most people alive today could live to see this extinction take place. This means that an announcement of the situation we face boils down to telling every man, woman and child on earth that they have no future, they are going to be killed. People would panic. There would be economic collapse, the production and movement of goods would collapse. Millions would die in all cities on earth, riots and violence would reduce civilian centers to rubble within days. Half of the population in dense metropolitan areas would try to leave the cities seeking 'safety' in the rural areas thinking that they would be safe. Those left behind in the cities would be at war with their neighbors, fighting for the remaining supplies. We would be telling the world that the world is coming to an end, and even with the Shield the chances of survival are small.

Stuff like this is nonsense. We know they want riots and total chaos. People do not gravitate to chaos. People would organise in a situation such as the above. The only chaos that happens will be mainpulated by them. They would use the above without question if they thought it would create that chaos. Their propaganda campaign on chemtrails has already started and is full of shite and the unaware will fall for it as usual.

The thing is how do we get them to actually stop it? That's the solution we want.

The answer lies in the mindset of the elite who are giving the orders. As long as people stay under their control through their system they will without a doubt keep on ignoring our 'complaints'.

They will never listen to us whilst we have given our consent for them to govern us. This is the 'key' to the whole new world order agenda.

We have givern our consent for them to flouridate our water and chemtrail us. We have givern our consent for them to class us all as terrorists. We have givern them our consent to apply Codex Alimentarious against us.

We have givern them our consent to govern us and govern us they will do, in any shape or form they choose to use.

We have givern them our consent to own us. What right do we have to complain to them? That's they way they see it. This is their mentality. Add to that their insane motto of their 'devine right to rule'.

We have given them this right by consenting to be governed by them. We give them this devine right by consent!

To use the system is to support the system. To support the system is giving our consent.

There's an old law maxim that says 'Those that don't deny, consent!'

This is the way I see it.

The solution is in my latest vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdXEhof4xKQ

Interesting thread!:)

poshrat

11-04-2009, 04:10 PM

thanks for posting that Poshrat, I had been looking for that particular piece. I had see the vid form but that wasnt what I wanted.
It pretty much sums up what they have been doing IMO!

Dondaz is right of course, do you really think they will tell you what the chemtrails are about? NOT ON YOUR NELLY!!!

I just want to see them squirm when confronted with the question and realise that we can see them.......or at least some of us do...

But if they ever find out they are our equal, we shall perish then. THIS THEY MUST NEVER KNOW.

If they ever find out that together they can vanquish us, they will take action.

They must never, ever find out what we have done, for if they do, we shall have no place to run. No one shall give us shelter.

They are about to perish.

The truth is going to come out.

I know they will lie in the petition explanation.

That is why it has been created.

There is another side to life and our existence.

Evolution of consciousness and spiritual change comes from outer space in the form of wave activity and sun spot activity.

We have been prisoners to their system for generations. We fund their goals in the form of taxes and our lives.

People are going to rebel, people are going to wake up to what has been happening.

We are servants of this earth not of their agenda.

Their metal fields will not stop these waves of change.

Our earth is going to help us.

poshrat

11-04-2009, 04:33 PM

Hey poshrat. I understand why you are doing this and I agree with you it must be stopped. Without question.

F.W.S

Food Warmth Shelter

With reference to your video.

FWS Remember this is all one needs.

You come into this world with nothing and leave with nothing.

IN THE PRESENCE OF EVIL THE GOOD SPEND NOTHING

Don't spend your money on things you do not need.

Look at materials/belongings as taxes.

They need your money so don't bloody give it to them.

beldazar

11-04-2009, 06:40 PM

But if they ever find out they are our equal, we shall perish then. THIS THEY MUST NEVER KNOW.

If they ever find out that together they can vanquish us, they will take action.

They must never, ever find out what we have done, for if they do, we shall have no place to run. No one shall give us shelter.

They are about to perish.

The truth is going to come out.

I know they will lie in the petition explanation.

That is why it has been created.

There is another side to life and our existence.

Evolution of consciousness and spiritual change comes from outer space in the form of wave activity and sun spot activity.

We have been prisoners to their system for generations. We fund their goals in the form of taxes and our lives.

People are going to rebel, people are going to wake up to what has been happening.

We are servants of this earth not of their agenda.

Their metal fields will not stop these waves of change.

Our earth is going to help us.

Great post! :)

assyntangel

11-04-2009, 08:48 PM

Come on guys everyone talks about doing something but action speaks louder than words. It is time to take our mother earth back, she is our home, not something to be exploited by anyone for anything. FIGHT THE NEW WORLD ORDER WITH GLOBAL NON COMPLIANCE.
Don't buy anything you don't need.
Read all the labels on food and refuse to buy or eat anything with Aspartame in it.
Love ALL your fellow humans regardless of race colour or religion.
Do not join the forces don't fight their petty destructive wars for them.
Filter all your drinking water and fight against the addition of fluoride.
Fight them in a peacefull non violent way so they have no excuse to lock you up.
DEMAND THE TRUTH ABOUT CHEMTRAILS.
IT IS YOUR RIGHT TO BREATH CLEAN FRESH AIR.
OH, AND SWITCH THAT HYPNOTIC MIND CONTROLLING TV OFF. Peace and love.

amethyst

11-04-2009, 08:51 PM

I'm very disappointed that I have to keep seeing this thread over and over in the new post section because the title of the thread means something entirely different than what the subject matter is about.

flyermay

11-04-2009, 09:05 PM

poshrat

12-04-2009, 11:00 PM

cafetimes1991

12-04-2009, 11:03 PM

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/April_2009/n1046741930_196676_4358.jpg

flyermay

12-04-2009, 11:44 PM

I shot this today.

It shows the point where they stop spraying right above my head.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_lbpLvqpKEfeature=related

I believe the petition is actually pointless IT IS TOO LATE.

I quote "We are being sprayed to compromise our immune systems, thereby lowering our resistance to both disease and to the removal of our basic rights. Many are already too chronically tired to raise their awareness, raise a militia, or even grasp the things I am writing about here"

THIS IS ALL BEING DONE SO WE HAVE LITTLE RESISTANCE TO THE NEW FORM OF BIRD FLU.

When you have watched the video hear the radio recording here about the bird flu which is going to sweep the planet.

http://www.imeem.com/groups/cr1uw-yZ/music/4BDQ7vwb/jeff-rense-03-17-09-hr3-dr-bill-deagle-md-the-baxter/

Someone tell me I am going mad.

Someone tell me to get a grip.

I'm really impressed by that video; I need one of those cameras, well done.

Apart from the fact that you caught them on video turning off the contrails, as they usually do here in London when targeting especific areas, you also caught one of those planes that don't leave a normal trail from the engine (or each engine). The plane you caught just leaves a huge trail as wide as the wingspan.

For example, this is what a 3 engine plane leaving trails should look like:
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Music/Pix/pictures/2008/06/23/vapourtrail460.jpg

And this is how the plane you caught looked:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=3283

Se that it leaves a huge trail that is as uniform and wide as the whole wingspan, when it should have left a thin trail from the engine (2 to 4 depending on the number of engines).

Also look at these planes, and notice the difference with the first one (which at least looks as a normal trail).

http://www.carnicom.com/mega2a.jpg
http://www.rense.com/general57/AUT_0044.JPG
http://www.chemtrails.nl/map2/Nieuw%20spray%20systeem_bestanden/image001.jpg
http://www.chemtrails.nl/map2/Nieuw%20spray%20systeem_bestanden/image002.jpg

That's definetly more than just water vapour from the exhaust engines. That's for sure (watever it is).

poshrat

13-04-2009, 12:56 AM

I'm really impressed by that video; I need one of those cameras, well done.

Apart from the fact that you caught them on video turning off the contrails, as they usually do here in London when targeting especific areas, you also caught one of those planes that don't leave a normal trail from the engine (or each engine). The plane you caught just leaves a huge trail as wide as the wingspan.

For example, this is what a 3 engine plane leaving trails should look like:
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Music/Pix/pictures/2008/06/23/vapourtrail460.jpg

And this is how the plane you caught looked:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=3283

Se that it leaves a huge trail that is as uniform and wide as the whole wingspan, when it should have left a thin trail from the engine (2 to 4 depending on the number of engines).

Also look at these planes, and notice the difference with the first one (which at least looks as a normal trail).

http://www.carnicom.com/mega2a.jpg
http://www.rense.com/general57/AUT_0044.JPG
http://www.chemtrails.nl/map2/Nieuw%20spray%20systeem_bestanden/image001.jpg
http://www.chemtrails.nl/map2/Nieuw%20spray%20systeem_bestanden/image002.jpg

That's definetly more than just water vapour from the exhaust engines. That's for sure (watever it is).

Thanks for pointing that out flyermay. I must say I haven't seen many trails like the one today but it was right over my head/home. There were strange spectrum coloured flares/glows in the sky about an hour later. I don't know what that was about.

Another thing, I don't think for one minute this is about global warming as I had originally thought/speculated as they were spraying away from the sun and the formed clouds were heading away from the sun too. Slowly drifting towards the direction of Southampton.

We have rain forecast for tomorrow with a 3 hour break of sun shine at mid day so I hope to put the camera on a tripod. (panasonic nv-gs60 with mini dv tapes) Many modern mobile phones are just as good.

I have been researching and researching trying to put a jigsaw together. I looked into the Planet X information and that it may be link to that but then why spray in the northern hemisphere. Also why spray when it is cloudy.

Then by chance while checking new chemtrail vids on tube someone had tagged it also with bird flu. It went on like that.

It makes so much sense now.

http://educate-yourself.org/ct/ Has lots of info.

And this is where I got the bird flu interview mp3 a site called rense.com

http://www.rense.com/1.SWYBM/MP309SP.htm

I really do hope I am wrong and would much prefer to look like a fool than to experience what is coming.

Come on earth.

I like the point in the video where the crow crosses the exact point when the spraying stops.

To me that is a sign. Also when the cockerel crows.

I know our earth is going to help us on this one.

I see bird flu hitting the UK between august and october 2009.

flyermay

13-04-2009, 01:34 AM

Thanks for pointing that out flyermay. I must say I haven't seen many trails like the one today but it was right over my head/home. There were strange spectrum coloured flares/glows in the sky about an hour later. I don't know what that was about.

Another thing, I don't think for one minute this is about global warming as I had originally thought/speculated as they were spraying away from the sun and the formed clouds were heading away from the sun too. Slowly drifting towards the direction of Southampton.

We have rain forecast for tomorrow with a 3 hour break of sun shine at mid day so I hope to put the camera on a tripod. (panasonic nv-gs60 with mini dv tapes) Many modern mobile phones are just as good.

I have been researching and researching trying to put a jigsaw together. I looked into the Planet X information and that it may be link to that but then why spray in the northern hemisphere. Also why spray when it is cloudy.

Then by chance while checking new chemtrail vids on tube someone had tagged it also with bird flu. It went on like that.

It makes so much sense now.

http://educate-yourself.org/ct/ Has lots of info.

And this is where I got the bird flu interview mp3 a site called rense.com

http://www.rense.com/1.SWYBM/MP309SP.htm

I really do hope I am wrong and would much prefer to look like a fool than to experience what is coming.

Come on earth.

I like the point in the video where the crow crosses the exact point when the spraying stops.

To me that is a sign. Also when the cockerel crows.

I know our earth is going to help us on this one.

I see bird flu hitting the UK between august and october 2009.

I was just thinking about the bird-flu a couple of days ago (what's sure is that global warming is not the reason).

Obviously, I have no proof of this, but the other day I was thinking: "what if they are trying to inoculate us against a biological thread like bird-flu or something worst". For example: imagine they have reasons to think that bird-flu can be used as a biological attack; they wouldn't want to cause general pannic, so they would try to prevent the threat while hidding it from the general public (like spraying chemicals or adding them to the water supply).

In the other hand, and looking at the worst case scenario, they've been trying to dumb down the population and make them more docile and controllable for years, so it wouldn't surprise me if they continued with the plan using modern technology for it.

About catching them on camera: the next time they spray over London I'm planning on getting a low speed video; made with individual pictures taken at fixed intervals and adding them all together in a video (which would play hours in just a few minutes). This way it would be clear to everyone how those chemtrails end up forming artificial clouds or mist that falls over us.

poshrat

13-04-2009, 02:12 AM

I was just thinking about the bird-flu a couple of days ago (what's sure is that global warming is not the reason).

Obviously, I have no proof of this, but the other day I was thinking: "what if they are trying to inoculate us against a biological thread like bird-flu or something worst". For example: imagine they have reasons to think that bird-flu can be used as a biological attack; they wouldn't want to cause general pannic, so they would try to prevent the threat while hidding it from the general public (like spraying chemicals or adding them to the water supply).

In the other hand, and looking at the worst case scenario, they've been trying to dumb down the population and make them more docile and controllable for years, so it wouldn't surprise me if they continued with the plan using modern technology for it.

About catching them on camera: the next time they spray over London I'm planning on getting a low speed video; made with individual pictures taken at fixed intervals and adding them all together in a video (which would play hours in just a few minutes). This way it would be clear to everyone how those chemtrails end up forming artificial clouds or mist that falls over us.

No they created the strain of H5N1 in the first place, well drug companies had.
It would be far too expensive to inoculate people that way. Yes they don't want a free thinking population, hence fluoride in water and mercury in inoculations.

The time lapse photography would be brilliant. Especially high up on a building etc.

I don't know if I had already posted this but if you read it it sums up everything and what they are about.

The Secret Covenant

Author Unknown – Received December 9, 2008

An illusion it will be, so large, so vast it will escape their perception.

Those who will see it will be thought of as insane.

We will create separate fronts to prevent them from seeing the connection between us.

We will behave as if we are not connected to keep the illusion alive.

Our goal will be accomplished one drop at a time so as to never bring suspicion upon ourselves.

This will also prevent them from seeing the changes as they occur.
We will work together always and will remain bound by blood and secrecy.

Death will come to he who speaks.

We will keep their lifespan short and their minds weak while pretending to do the opposite.

We will use our knowledge of science and technology in subtle ways so they will never see what is happening.

We will use soft metals, aging accelerators and sedatives in food and water, also in the air.

They will be blanketed by poisons everywhere they turn.

The poisons will be hidden in everything that surrounds them, in what they drink, eat, breathe and wear.

We will create medicine that will make them sicker and cause other diseases for which we will create yet more medicine.

We will render them docile and weak before us by our power.

Their minds will belong to us and they will do as we say. If they refuse we shall find ways to implement mind-altering technology into their lives.

We will use fear as our weapon.

We will establish their governments and establish opposites within.
We will own both sides.

They will perform the labour for us and we shall prosper from their toil.

Our families will never mix with theirs.

Our blood must be pure always, for it is the way.

We will make them kill each other when it suits us.

We will keep them separated from the oneness by dogma and religion.

We will control all aspects of their lives and tell them what to think and how.

We will guide them kindly and gently letting them think they are guiding themselves.

We will foment animosity between them through our factions.
When a light shall shine among them, we shall extinguish it by ridicule, or death, whichever suits us best.

We will make them rip each other's hearts apart and kill their own children.

They will bathe in their own blood and kill their neighbours for as long as we see fit.

We will benefit greatly from this, for they will not see us, for they cannot see us.

We will continue to prosper from their wars and their deaths.

We will make them live in fear and anger.

We will use all their tools we have to accomplish this.

The tools will be provided by their labour.

We will make them hate themselves and their neighbours.

We will always hide the divine truth from them, that we are all one.

This they must never know!

Drop-by-drop; drop-by-drop we will advance our goal.

We will take over their land, resources and wealth to exercise total control over them.

We will deceive them into accepting laws that will steal the little freedom they will have.

We will establish a money system that will imprison them forever, keeping them and their children in debt.

When they shall ban together, we shall accuse them of crimes and present a different story to the world for we shall own all the media.

When they shall rise up against us we will crush them like insects, for they are less than that.

They will be helpless to do anything for they will have no weapons.
We will recruit some of their own to carry out our plans, we will promise them eternal life, but eternal life they will never have for they are not of us.

The truth will be hidden in their face, so close they will not be able to focus on it until its too late.

Oh yes, so grand the illusion of freedom will be, that they will never know they are our slaves.

When all is in place, the reality we will have created for them will own them.

Their minds will be bound by their beliefs, the beliefs we have established from time immemorial.

But if they ever find out they are our equal, we shall perish then. THIS THEY MUST NEVER KNOW.

If they ever find out that together they can vanquish us, they will take action.

They must never, ever find out what we have done, for if they do, we shall have no place to run. No one shall give us shelter.

This is the secret covenant by which we shall live the rest of our present and future lives, for this reality will transcend many generations and life spans.

This covenant is sealed by blood, our blood!

poshrat

25-04-2009, 03:56 AM

BBC GB I want you to start reporting them in the news.

I want you to explain exactly what you are doing and what your intentions are to the people.

Then I want you to stop what your doing.

If you don't there will be three volcanos who will speak for me.

22/04/2009

29/08/2009

BBC Gordon Brown here are the three volcanos for 22/04/2009

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/04/22/activity-three-volcanos-increases.html

drhemp

17-06-2009, 06:46 PM

Still not 200 signatures yet?

uloodara

18-06-2009, 01:17 AM

:cool:

mauviene

18-06-2009, 03:19 AM

I already woke up to the fact that I'm a slave such as all the rest of you.

Now what the hell are we going to do?

The best thing I can think of is realize we are slaves..and be thankful only physically.

haukipesukone

18-06-2009, 09:19 AM

I'm not in the UK so I couldn't contribute anyway, but aren't electronic petitions completely worthless?

Especially if it's only 200 names. That doesn't hold any kind of "democratic" power. Sounds more like they want to know who are the top 200 anti-chemtrail nuts in the UK.

anthony65

18-06-2009, 10:25 AM

Especially if it's only 200 names. That doesn't hold any kind of "democratic" power. Sounds more like they want to know who are the top 200 anti-chemtrail nuts in the UK.

:eek:

You don't believe in the power of online petitions to change the world to a better place?

You sir, are a top rate cynic... :mad:

But absolutely right! :D

john connor

18-06-2009, 10:40 AM

:eek:

You don't believe in the power of online petitions to change the world to a better place?

You sir, are a top rate cynic... :mad:

But absolutely right! :D

couldnt agree more....sorry I wont vote for anything as IMO its a waste of time...

wildhorse

20-06-2009, 07:57 PM

I prefer a more direct approach than a petition that will only see the 'junk' folder... ;)

scroll to June 9th - about where I asked an MEP about chemtrails...

http://www.ahimsacosmetics.co.uk/page_13.html

I also gift my arse off - that seemed to up them chemtrailing to the extent that they ran out of funds, and its calmed down quite a fair bit....gifting orgonite certainly does help...as does boosting...

see my flickr photostream.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/37764084@N05/

Ahimsa-
Wild :)

oneup

08-07-2009, 09:57 AM

http://www.petitiononline.com/t401/petition.html outside UK

Signed :)