Taking animals for food

[waylander]

Point of information for the uninformed.

People that shoot/hunt/stalk/fish are far more in touch with the natural order of life and nature than people who don't.

Wild animals are free range. They have a totally natural life.
A pheasant shot on a rough shoot has had a better time on this planet than a super market chicken (by the way chickens don't actually grow in fridges-honest;))

People who are critical of country sports, yet still eat meat, are kidding themselves and in my opinion are hypocrites.

A true hunter has the utmost respect for his quarry, he has learnt its ways and studied it, without this knowledge nature would not reward him with a kill.

Eating meat is natural 100%. Hunting is also natural to the human animal.

Waylander:cool:

[hunter77]

1000% agree with you mate, hunters and fisherman do respect there quarry and have a telepathic connection to it, i would much rather catch my own food than by it from a shop or farm, no matter how well its been looked after:) at the end of the day the animal has a chance as nature intended, and you have to work for your food:) and you are taking full responsibility for your actions

[element]

People that shoot/hunt/stalk/fish are far more in touch with the natural order of life and nature than people who don't.


But how would you know? You can't talk for others that simple!

Look, if your a hunter and you like to be one, fine.
But one can just as much be in tune with nature without doing that or eating meat.

Is it really natural order of life and nature, that we have to use tools and get clothes? Someone seems to have gone wrong somewhere...I'm not sure if things are going as they were meant to be, but that's a whole different thing. :cool:

[bornagain]

Point of information for the uninformed.

People that shoot/hunt/stalk/fish are far more in touch with the natural order of life and nature than people who don't.


Waylander:cool:

Does that include the CIA? :eek:


~Born Again

[hunter77]

Does that include the CIA? :eek:


~Born Again

dont ,think it does ,or barry george for that matter:D

[jesuitsdidit]

but that's a whole different thing. :cool:

yep..

[boots]

Point of information for the uninformed.

People that shoot/hunt/stalk/fish are far more in touch with the natural order of life and nature than people who don't.

Wild animals are free range. They have a totally natural life.
A pheasant shot on a rough shoot has had a better time on this planet than a super market chicken (by the way chickens don't actually grow in fridges-honest;))

People who are critical of country sports, yet still eat meat, are kidding themselves and in my opinion are hypocrites.

A true hunter has the utmost respect for his quarry, he has learnt its ways and studied it, without this knowledge nature would not reward him with a kill.

Eating meat is natural 100%. Hunting is also natural to the human animal.

Waylander:cool:

+1

Sports shooting is a waste of life if it is not eaten.

Its also true that vegetarian societies such as one of the American Indians tribes died out because they relied on just plant's.

[element]

Its also true that vegetarian societies such as one of the American Indians tribes died out because they relied on just plant's.
-1.

But likely it's also true meat eating societies come and go. People that eat meat die as well.
What's your point? Logic is far to be seen.
What matters is the present.

[boots]

-1.

But likely it's also true meat eating societies come and go. People that eat meat die as well.
What's your point? Logic is far to be seen.
What matters is the present.

You will never know your the present until you look into the past.

The tribe died and dispersed because of chronic bone disorders. lack of calcium.

OK. Point out a society that died out because they just ate meat.

[Ratiocinator]

"Human use of dairy products is a recent and unnecessary development: a diet low in salt and rich in vegetables, fruits and root crops provides the best path to healthy bones. Dairy foods increase calcium loss as well as provide calcium. For example, cheddar cheese causes a net calcium loss in high-risk individuals, and cottage cheese causes calcium loss for most people in general. Foods such as meat, fish and eggs have a strong adverse effect because they are low in calcium and also cause high loss; foods that are low in calcium but also reduce losses, such as peppers, bananas and oranges, provide everyone with at least a modest boost."

http://www.satyamag.com/mar02/walsh.html

[the itinerant shrubber]

I was having an argument with a vegatarian the other day and I made the same point as waylander. She considered herself an animal lover but has never spent hours outside in all weathers just watching and studying animals like I have. She said she like animals more than people but it turned out she prefers to spend her time in the company of other people rather than animals in their own habitat and on their terms.

I know far more about various creatures and their habits than it seems most "animal lovers".

I would never consider myself an animal lover any more than I'm a person lover. I treat animals with respect and as equals but as an animal myself,I accept that I am a predator and will prey on certain animals too. The animal lovers on the other hand seem to treat (a select few of cute animals) as fellow humans and have a sentimental view of nature.
You can love animals and hunt them too. A lot of people cant get theirs heads around that concept.

[Ratiocinator]

but as an animal myself,I accept that I am a predator and will prey on certain animals too

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http://www.hedonistic.org/elephant.jpg

[Ratiocinator]

You are confusing 'predator' with bastardization of the race, psychopathic proclivity, and brutal urges.

But, we all choose our alters to worship at, don't we?

[Ratiocinator]

You can love animals and hunt them too. A lot of people cant get theirs heads around that concept.

Can one love children and sodomize them too? How about old people? Can one love old people, and steal their pension money?

[waylander]

Can one love children and sodomize them too? How about old people? Can one love old people, and steal their pension money?

Can one talk shite and be clever (obviously not in your case):)

Waylander:cool:

[tom bombadil]

Point of information for the uninformed.

People that shoot/hunt/stalk/fish are far more in touch with the natural order of life and nature than people who don't.

Wild animals are free range. They have a totally natural life.
A pheasant shot on a rough shoot has had a better time on this planet than a super market chicken (by the way chickens don't actually grow in fridges-honest;))

People who are critical of country sports, yet still eat meat, are kidding themselves and in my opinion are hypocrites.

A true hunter has the utmost respect for his quarry, he has learnt its ways and studied it, without this knowledge nature would not reward him with a kill.

Eating meat is natural 100%. Hunting is also natural to the human animal.

Waylander:cool:

I am of the same opinion waylander.

I think the same as you on this one as that is how I have bought myself up (with little or no help from ma and pa on this one) but over the years I have been led down another train of thought. In my readins of trying to find the 'me' in me, I have read lots of books and the like and have listened to loads of guys and girls over the years, as we all no dought have done. A particular book that facinated me, as it answerd a load of questions that have never been (in my mind) answered properly was the one that Icke recomended in his works (as a reference) and that was When The Earth Nearly Died.

To cut a long story short, It is clamed that before the 'great flood' we as humans were living quite happyly on a diet of 'mostly' veg matter, and had little need or rather 'want' of meat stuff. Now one can take all that with a pinch of salt, but the point made later is that as humans, we later developed a greater need for meat as the flood quickly removed all the land matter that cant swim, and washed it away. Leaving only (not only but far far less) a sparce amount of vegitation to feed those that needed it.

cut short again, it points out a need to eat flesh to survive in this post raping of the land as paramount for survival. Thus our desires chainged. Rather meat became more important.

Not pointed out in the book was something I think hapened, and that was canabilisum. Thus folk that loved their breathern soon wished to bury or hide the bodies of the decised. Did we cremate them before the flood? Dunno!


Lessons aside (ho-hum) I am a meat and veg eater like the most of us, and will happyly tuck into a steak, but I am lesening my wants for meats due to what I am finding out about our (possable) past. And am happy with it.


Tom.

[exmicrochipmafia]

Can one love children and sodomize them too? How about old people? Can one love old people, and steal their pension money?

I really feel sorry for you. I think you truly need a lot of therapy and hope you get it soon.

[sedate_solution]

Can one love children and sodomize them too? How about old people? Can one love old people, and steal their pension money?

That is a really discusting counter arguement !

[sedate_solution]

Now don't sloughter me guys, I do eat meat but not that much. I would like your opinions on the following table please !

I have nothing but admiration and respect for hunters and trackers & wish I was able to do it !

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[mightiswrong]

People that shoot/hunt/stalk/fish are far more in touch with the natural order of life and nature than people who don't.


What about people who know how to find fruits, nuts, mushrooms and cultivate edible plants in a kin's domain setting? Wouldn't they be in touch with nature? If they were to kill their animal friends then wouldn't the animals be scared of Man and run away and hide causing imbalance and an unnatural order?

[waylander]

Death is as much a part of nature as life. It comes to us all. To hunt effectively you have to be at one with your enviroment, tuned in with nature. If you aren't you won't achive your quarry.

Are you saying the fox is unatural to hunt its animal friend the rabbit.:confused:

Yes I agree people who know how to find fruits, nuts mushrooms and how to cultivate plants are also in tune with nature. Such people usually make the best hunters, I don't think this is purely coincidence;)

I also believe that the hunter who does not respect his quarry does not get rewarded with large bags.

Waylander:cool:

[enga]

I don't want to change your mind or convert anyone because it has to come to you naturally. My view however is that the fox is unaware of other choices, it has limited options. I can get what I want from the supermarket (I live in a city with no natural options immediately available) so I can CHOOSE not to eat meat by conscious choice and thought and there are options which are calorific enough to meet my needs. A fox wouldn't get by on berries etc.

[waylander]

I don't want to change your mind or convert anyone because it has to come to you naturally. My view however is that the fox is unaware of other choices, it has limited options. I can get what I want from the supermarket (I live in a city with no natural options immediately available) so I can CHOOSE not to eat meat by conscious choice and thought and there are options which are calorific enough to meet my needs. A fox wouldn't get by on berries etc.

I'm happy for people who don't want to eat meat.:)

But i think my diet is 100% natural, my way of life is very sustainable, and far more in tune with the planet than using a supermarket.

A fox eats the rabbit because it's natural for it to do so. Hunting is natural its natures way, you only have to watch animals to see this.

Waylander:cool:

[schaff]

I am vegetarian and think you have a valid point waylander at least you are prepared to kill what you eat and i respect you for that.As long as the animal does not suffer and you dont waste anything. I have read a lot on survival and being prepared and i am interested about living of the land because it is something we should all have the knowledge of who knows it could save a life.

[branjo]

Point of information for the uninformed.

People that shoot/hunt/stalk/fish are far more in touch with the natural order of life and nature than people who don't.

Wild animals are free range. They have a totally natural life.
A pheasant shot on a rough shoot has had a better time on this planet than a super market chicken (by the way chickens don't actually grow in fridges-honest;))

People who are critical of country sports, yet still eat meat, are kidding themselves and in my opinion are hypocrites.

A true hunter has the utmost respect for his quarry, he has learnt its ways and studied it, without this knowledge nature would not reward him with a kill.

Eating meat is natural 100%. Hunting is also natural to the human animal.

Waylander:cool:

What a crock of shit, sorry but someone has to say it.

You "enjoying" killing animals for sport isn't admirable, its moronic.
Don't for one minute try and compare yourself or what you do to the aspect of the "hunter/gatherer". What a fool you must be or anyone here that agrees with you who tries to excuse the modern past time of "hunting for fun" as "hunting for survival".

"Eating meat is 100% Natural"

Hmmm, Scientific proof please? Or is that another excuse by another mindless drone trying to excuse a blood lust without reason?

Imagine I have just appeared on this planet and you are tasked with convincing me that I need to take a knife or a gun and kill an animal to eat its flesh to survive when an over abundance of everything I need is scientifically proven to exist in plants?

[tracker]

Point of information for the uninformed.

People that shoot/hunt/stalk/fish are far more in touch with the natural order of life and nature than people who don't.

Wild animals are free range. They have a totally natural life.
A pheasant shot on a rough shoot has had a better time on this planet than a super market chicken (by the way chickens don't actually grow in fridges-honest;))

People who are critical of country sports, yet still eat meat, are kidding themselves and in my opinion are hypocrites.

A true hunter has the utmost respect for his quarry, he has learnt its ways and studied it, without this knowledge nature would not reward him with a kill.

Eating meat is natural 100%. Hunting is also natural to the human animal.

Waylander:cool:

there are a few points to consider when making a post about hunting game and or animals .

did you know that the reason why mankind has various blood types is because of the introduction to meats ? there is very strong evidence to support this too .

at 1st ( if we believe the puzzle of man kinds origin ) man was a monkey , or so they say , some type of upright monkey .
thus mankind was 1st and for most a plant eater .
it was the beginning of walking on land away from tress that gave mankind the hardships he faced for which he had to compensate to eat bugs and animals .

it was this situation they say that gave rise to the brain being larger , bit this does not mean it was natural .Im not totally disregarding other data , im just saying that this is the history we know .

from that , man also began to eat fish .

it was this that created different blood types .

hence why a person who might be AB+ , finds it harder to digest meat than a OO blood type .
it is a fact that various blood types do indeed digest meat differently , for instance , my blood type mees thinks is AB+ .
I can digest meat , but not masses of it , my metabolism gets on better with fish and plants , this i know through experience .

I wont deny that a good hunter keeps in touch with nature and picks and chooses his prey , that is true .
but ( and i do say but ) hunting isnt as productive as many think.

take the issue of survivalism for instance .

you've got to shoot and kill with one shot .
if you miss or hit a none vital part , you could easily create a situation where the animal gets away from you but dies and rots in pane .

hunting is the natural order of nature but man is not of the natural order according to today's society and living .

there is far more chances of survival learning how to gather and process roots and berries etc than hunting .
this sint an opinion , its true .

thats not to say that one should not hunt , after all , when faced with starvation , one must adapt and if only animals are the last choice of protein or any kind of food intake , it is then necessary to kill them to eat them .

better off alive than dead starving meees says .

but how long can one hunt ?
till the gun you carry gets too heavy ?
till the amo runs out ?

what then ?

learning to rely on a gun isnt a good thing .

learning to hunt ? maybe , it is a life saver as we all know .

but fail to get clued up on plant life and your fkd !

when the adventures went to Australia , a lot of them starved to death because although they had guns to shoot game etc , the place they found them self in was not full of animals , just plants .
did you know that they starved to death surrounded by edible plants ?

totally surrounded by plants they could eat , yet , because all they knew was guns and rifles , they starved to death needlessly .

Understanding guns and hunting is a good survival tactic , a must know for all , however , fail to learn how to crop and harvest plant life , could be a matter of life and death .and no amount of guns can change that .

I do understand what you are saying .
learning to hunt is good !
eating meat isnt exactly bad for you .
a good hunter keeps to the laws of nature .
all true .

but don't think that this will save your life in all situations is my point .:)

[waylander]

What a crock of shit, sorry but someone has to say it.

You "enjoying" killing animals for sport isn't admirable, its moronic.
Don't for one minute try and compare yourself or what you do to the aspect of the "hunter/gatherer". What a fool you must be or anyone here that agrees with you who tries to excuse the modern past time of "hunting for fun" as "hunting for survival".

"Eating meat is 100% Natural"

Hmmm, Scientific proof please? Or is that another excuse by another mindless drone trying to excuse a blood lust without reason?

Imagine I have just appeared on this planet and you are tasked with convincing me that I need to take a knife or a gun and kill an animal to eat its flesh to survive when an over abundance of everything I need is scientifically proven to exist in plants?

That's upset me so much, I may have to go out and shoot a few dozen rabbits, to chill out.:)

And maybe a fox or two.

Waylander:rolleyes:

[pri01]

I don't hunt for food, wouldn't know where to start either. However, I think it's a crime to throw uneaten meat in a bin like it's a piece of rubbish.

If an animal has lost its life to enter the food chain then it should at least be respected as such and where possible, all be eaten. Any left overs I have are readilly received by my dogs, cats and parrot. Yes, even parrots enjoy a little chicken now and again and even the bone marrow from the chicken leg bones are a favorite of his.

I just feel it's a waste of a life if it all cannot be eaten or recycled. After all, we recycle vegetable waste and that enters the food chain again doesn't it?

[tracker]

I have always pondered over taking a dog in bad situations .
it acts as a guard dog and can help the empty tummy once plant life has run out .

you know the score , shep went to a good home and all that .:D

[hunter77]

I have always pondered over taking a dog in bad situations .
it acts as a guard dog and can help the empty tummy once plant life has run out .

you know the score , shep went to a good home and all that .:D

i think thats not a bad idea tbh tracker, they guard you , find you food , pick it from where you can't get it are loyal and if you have a dog like a lurcher they will even catch it for you:)

not much meat on a lurcher though:D

[time2wakeup]

I watched that 3/4 part documentry last year about ed mardle who attempted to survive in the wilderness in canada for 3 months. The reason why he didnt last out was that he was not allowed to hunt (i think they are different laws if you come from outside Canada) and he could not find the salmon run. He became disorniented and week because of the lack of protein that his ration packs and berries/roots could not provide. He had the books and interviewed people before he went out there on exactly what he could and couldnt eat.
The problem with surviving on just berries,leaves etc they are usually very seasonal and only available for a short time. Which would leave only roots to eat in winter. Mushroom/fungi, whos know whether its safe to eat and you hardly get any energy/benefit from eating a mushroom anyway.
Look at the native tribes around the world when they kill an animal nothing goes to waste and they usually do a ritual to say thankyou for the animal. If you come accross a wild animal and need it for food then I have no problem with you taking it as long as you do it justice.
Hunting should be considered an important aspect of survival (i know everyone doesnt eat meat).

[tracker]

I watched that 3/4 part documentry last year about ed mardle who attempted to survive in the wilderness in canada for 3 months. The reason why he didnt last out was that he was not allowed to hunt (i think they are different laws if you come from outside Canada) and he could not find the salmon run. He became disorniented and week because of the lack of protein that his ration packs and berries/roots could not provide. He had the books and interviewed people before he went out there on exactly what he could and couldnt eat.
The problem with surviving on just berries,leaves etc they are usually very seasonal and only available for a short time. Which would leave only roots to eat in winter. Mushroom/fungi, whos know whether its safe to eat and you hardly get any energy/benefit from eating a mushroom anyway.
Look at the native tribes around the world when they kill an animal nothing goes to waste and they usually do a ritual to say thankyou for the animal. If you come accross a wild animal and need it for food then I have no problem with you taking it as long as you do it justice.
Hunting should be considered an important aspect of survival (i know everyone doesnt eat meat).


wrong !

the only thing he didnt hunt was deer which was protected .

he starved mostly because he rellied on hunting actually .

1 ) he spent most of his time day dreaming in his hammock tent

2 ) spent loads of time making fires and sitting around them talking to a camera

3 ) carried too much kit

4 ) did not have enough knowledge of local plant life .

5 ) although he knew some of the plant life he only took berries thus his knowledhe was indeed limited .

6 ) he spent loads of time wondering about like an idiot looking for fish ( as you have mentioned )

7 ) when he didnt find any fish he still took ALL DAY fishing there thus waisted a good 13 hours doing jack ! despite thatfact he knew no fish were there .

the point im making is this , missout on plant knowledge and your fked ! relly on hunting only like that dude did in the film and your fkd !

I know

i watched it .

Infact my self and wazaap commented on this program over the phone at regualr intervals and the comments above are our observations made from that , we both saw that , we both saw what his callosal mistakes were .

:cool:

[petercookie]

^^^^^ I agree tracker......... The man did not seem to know what he got hes self into, and seemd to go on a total downer after a day or two. In my mind thats not someone who likes nature and is familiar with it. Watch the tv series what i posted on another thread with "lars monsen" - He actually saw a bear and was over the moon, the other man seen one and shit hes self lol...... Totally diffrent mind sets at play.......... Alot of survival is mental prepardness aswell, you need to be comfterble in yourself and your surroundings............ If you are not, it does not matter how much you know........


If an animal has lost its life to enter the food chain then it should at least be respected as such and where possible, all be eaten. Any left overs I have are readilly received by my dogs, cats and parrot. Yes, even parrots enjoy a little chicken now and again and even the bone marrow from the chicken leg bones are a favorite of his.

I just feel it's a waste of a life if it all cannot be eaten or recycled. After all, we recycle vegetable waste and that enters the food chain again doesn't it?

I agree completely - The left overs from our sunday dinners get put out for the birds/rats.......Although people think they are pests ect i think all life is precious and if you can help them out, why not??

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Regarding this topic though - i eat meat so i cant say much about it, although i do agree that eating wild animals is better because there quality of life as been better than some animals which just get put in cages and fatned up to be killed.

But i dont think ALL hunters are intune with nature, alot of them are senseless killers imo and i have seen it...... Just killing for the fun of it...... People cating fish and then swinging them around the pier and haveing a good laugh about it..........

And theres a diffrence with killing for food/survival and killing for fun, Alot of people think its just a sport and in my mind i bet they would not like it - Lets get 20 or so dogs to chase after you and then tear you apart eh?????

So what i am saying is Killing out of need and with respect, i dont see a problem with. Its just the senseless killing of life which sickens me sometimes.

^I think sometimes we have been conditioned, and feel that deadened in ourselves, that we actually dont realize that the thing is alive, its life just like you and me, it is actually a real living thing, not a toy or some couch ect.... Its actually got a life force. <<< And people forget that.

[tracker]

^^^^^ I agree tracker......... The man did not seem to know what he got hes self into, and seemd to go on a total downer after a day or two. In my mind thats not someone who likes nature and is familiar with it. Watch the tv series what i posted on another thread with "lars monsen" - He actually saw a bear and was over the moon, the other man seen one and shit hes self lol...... Totally diffrent mind sets at play.......... Alot of survival is mental prepardness aswell, you need to be comfterble in yourself and your surroundings............ If you are not, it does not matter how much you know........



I am glad you saw it .
it sounds to me as though you spotted the important part that I did forget to add .
he did indeed go on a downer after a day .
his kit was king kongs handbag lol.

mental preperations are indeed very important and I am glad you added this to the responce to that video because it is true .

I dont diss hunting , but it aint all that .

a full understanding of the stats when concerning animals and hunting is important because did you even see him try to shoot a bird ?

he missed big time and frightened most of the wild life around him away .

:)

I will add to this however that I think that guy had guts !

he wasnt sure of things and tried it anyway .

hands up to the guy , he did what he thought was hard to do .

and in his own way lol , he proved him self right but yes , brave dude .:cool:

[time2wakeup]

Yes you are partly right tracker, I dont think mentally he was prepared to be away from his wife/girlfriend for a long period. He did carry too much stuff and he wasted a lot of time/energy doing unproductive things. He worried 2much about bears. He did kill porkupines etc so he did have some kind of meat, but he was drulling over the deer/moose that he was unable to kill and not finding the salmon ws the final straw for him.
I also thing most people (possibly including non meat eaters) put in that situation as Ed, having to to survive alone for a long period of time in a strange environment would carry a gun. Not least it gives you proctection from a bear. Plants, leaves and roots are great but not very useful if you were trying to survive through winter. Most survivalists, adventure types all do some kind of hunting including Dick Proenneke and Ray Mears. One of my favourate Mears moments in those excellent early survival series was cooking the deer with hot rocks in the ground (think it was on the beach) I bet that tasted good!.
All this talk of survivalling is really wetting my appetite to give it a go. Have you done any bothing Tracker in scotland (staying at various remote shelters that are free to stay in)? I stayed on Bardsey (island off wales) last year where you can have a cottage for a week without electricity. This was amazing. While I was there someone put in an offer to stay in a cottage for 3 months in the off season.so he would have been virtually alone on an island. I do wonder how he went on, theres no hiding place there in winter if you are not used to your own company, short days, long nights, bad weather and cold. He would not be allowed to use a gun there (there are no rabbits anyway) but I bet it was an amazing experience!

[tracker]

Yes you are partly right tracker, I dont think mentally he was prepared to be away from his wife/girlfriend for a long period. He did carry too much stuff and he wasted a lot of time/energy doing unproductive things. He worried 2much about bears. He did kill porkupines etc so he did have some kind of meat, but he was drulling over the deer/moose that he was unable to kill and not finding the salmon ws the final straw for him.
I also thing most people (possibly including non meat eaters) put in that situation as Ed, having to to survive alone for a long period of time in a strange environment would carry a gun. Not least it gives you proctection from a bear. Plants, leaves and roots are great but not very useful if you were trying to survive through winter. Most survivalists, adventure types all do some kind of hunting including Dick Proenneke and Ray Mears. One of my favourate Mears moments in those excellent early survival series was cooking the deer with hot rocks in the ground (think it was on the beach) I bet that tasted good!.
All this talk of survivalling is really wetting my appetite to give it a go. Have you done any bothing Tracker in scotland (staying at various remote shelters that are free to stay in)? I stayed on Bardsey (island off wales) last year where you can have a cottage for a week without electricity. This was amazing. While I was there someone put in an offer to stay in a cottage for 3 months in the off season.so he would have been virtually alone on an island. I do wonder how he went on, theres no hiding place there in winter if you are not used to your own company, short days, long nights, bad weather and cold. He would not be allowed to use a gun there (there are no rabbits anyway) but I bet it was an amazing experience!

No Ive not done it my self .
I am very enthusiaser it and do wish to venture further into the subject which is why I do a lot of threads on it .

many years ago I was in the army but as you ca understand , survivalism isnt army training .
even the army has to pay for soldiers who wish to go on survivalist courses .
mainly in the army you are trianed to take orders , run around alot , dig and ditch hide , and most of the time rations are given to soldiers .
if they wish to do real survivalism they have to go on courses .

thats why I am not afraid ( as mentioned in my news letter ) to let folks know just how much I was amazed / surprised at how much i didnt know compared to wazaap and mariantisocial .

Im all for learning and am looking forward to this year if any trips are made .

but you can guarentee one thing , I wont be bringing a gun :D

the best way actually IMO , is to learn with out even a knife .

to bare hand it as they say , start from scratch
like finding flint and making an axe from that .
one couldlearn how to make a home made cross bow eventually but that takes time . spears , axes , cross bows , throwing spears that use sticks to launch , all need to be learned .

starting from jack , and ending up a grizzly adams --- now thats my aim , but for now , its me taking
tarps/sleeping bags/compass/1st aid kits / all the normal stuff .

:)

[entrangermercenary]

No Ive not done it my self .
I am very enthusiaser it and do wish to venture further into the subject which is why I do a lot of threads on it .

many years ago I was in the army but as you ca understand , survivalism isnt army training .
even the army has to pay for soldiers who wish to go on survivalist courses .
mainly in the army you are trianed to take orders , run around alot , dig and ditch hide , and most of the time rations are given to soldiers .
if they wish to do real survivalism they have to go on courses .

thats why I am not afraid ( as mentioned in my news letter ) to let folks know just how much I was amazed / surprised at how much i didnt know compared to wazaap and mariantisocial .

Im all for learning and am looking forward to this year if any trips are made .

but you can guarentee one thing , I wont be bringing a gun :D

the best way actually IMO , is to learn with out even a knife .

to bare hand it as they say , start from scratch
like finding flint and making an axe from that .
one couldlearn how to make a home made cross bow eventually but that takes time . spears , axes , cross bows , throwing spears that use sticks to launch , all need to be learned .
starting from jack , and ending up a grizzly adams --- now thats my aim , but for now , its me taking
tarps/sleeping bags/compass/1st aid kits / all the normal stuff .

:)


Question for you Tracker. How or why do you ever see yourself in this position in the Uk in the future ???

[tracker]

Question for you Tracker. How or why do you ever see yourself in this position in the Uk in the future ???

I only see my self adapting to the situation .

this however has no implications upon my wish to learn how to survive and hunt with out guns .

I can use them ------profesionally .

it is this very reason why I only use them in extreme curcumstances .

learning survivalism doesnt warrent handling a gun .

armagedon maybe ?

but not simple survival trips because this is what my remark is based upon . survival trips and activities , not armogedon lol

[entrangermercenary]

I only see my self adapting to the situation .

this however has no implications upon my wish to learn how to survive and hunt with out guns .

I can use them ------profesionally .

it is this very reason why I only use them in extreme curcumstances .

learning survivalism doesnt warrent handling a gun .

armagedon maybe ?

but not simple survival trips because this is what my remark is based upon . survival trips and activities , not armogedon lol

I thought the idea was to learn and get and edge if the shtf ??? Making axes from flint is not going to give you an edge. !!

Do you realize the amount of shit you will be able to scavenge on the edge of forests and in rural locations>

Fly tipping at the moment is a curse to the countryside, but If it goes tits up that fly tipping may just save your life. Im talking about wooded areas with tracks. There is a place I often go for a walkabout and every week a new burnt out car appears or some kant fly tips. Now in the present climate that is shit, but in a different climate that could be gold dust ;)

So I think you would never need to make a flint axe unless its for your own amusement, and especially in a real life situation :)

Do you think if it seriously goes tits up that you will not need a weapon ??

[tracker]

I thought the idea was to learn and get and edge if the shtf ??? Making axes from flint is not going to give you an edge. !!
:confused:

entrangermercenary :rolleyes:I have to tell you before this keeps going on and on . I Know how to profesionally use a weapon or two , this includes from the bottom
Air pistals
air rifles
33 Bren
7.62mm ( both SLR and GPMG )
SA80 ( 5.52mm)
and yes ( the amreican M16 )
Sub machine guns
Milan anti tank
USAGE of Clamor and other party poppers. Including home made ones .

and just a bit more like
cross bows
sling shots
bow and arrow
I even know how to make a cross bow out of tent poles and make them my self .

so can you now see why I do not go on and on about guns ? :rolleyes: why dont you make a thread about guns and rifles and I will get involved and tell all I know .I will do what I can to bring as much info as possible to it which will include personal experience .

But this thread isnt about GUNS , :rolleyes:

This thread is about hunting animals , how natural it is and , how a good hunter is in tune with nature .:)


Do you realize the amount of shit you will be able to scavenge on the edge of forests and in rural locations>

but,

Fly tipping at the moment is a curse to the countryside, but If it goes tits up that fly tipping may just save your life. Im talking about wooded areas with tracks.
but


There is a place I often go for a walkabout and every week a new burnt out car appears or some kant fly tips. Now in the present climate that is shit, but in a different climate that could be gold dust ;)

I know , but ?



So I think you would never need to make a flint axe unless its for your own amusement, and especially in a real life situation :)

BUT :confused:



Every body razzle dazzle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7o9g7QOjIo&feature=related

:cool:.

[morjo]

It's easy to survive and be healthy and even healthier than a person on a meat based diet if your a vegetarian these days, as many fruit and vegetables are so readily available now and because of that you can have a well balance vegetarian diet that provides all the sufficient nutrients. Now if we go back one hundred years or more, this wouldn't be the case, so meat was an essential part of the diet as it provided some the nutrients that were lacking from human diets, because of the lack of a wide range of different fruits and vegetables.

Considering how intelligent humans are suppose to be, I find it quite primitive that will still kill other animals to eat, effectively taking away that animals right to life.

[tracker]

It's easy to survive and be healthy and even healthier than a person on a meat based diet if your a vegetarian these days, as many fruit and vegetables are so readily available now and because of that you can have a well balance vegetarian diet that provides all the sufficient nutrients. Now if we go back one hundred years or more, this wouldn't be the case, so meat was an essential part of the diet as it provided some the nutrients that were lacking from human diets, because of the lack of a wide range of different fruits and vegetables.

Considering how intelligent humans are suppose to be, I find it quite primitive that will still kill other animals to eat, effectively taking away that animals right to life.


YEP AND YA DONT NEED GUNS FOR THEM EITHER :D

I personally would eat an animal if I needed it to survive , but not before a good healthy prey for the life force I take with respect .

When one has a vast knowledge of plant food hunting almost becomes obsolete .
Hunt only when absolutely needed , life or death as they say .




:)

[entrangermercenary]

:confused:

entrangermercenary I have to tell you before this keeps going on and on . I Know how to profesionally use a weapon or two , this includes from the bottom
Air pistals
air rifles
33 Bren
7.62mm ( both SLR and GPMG )
SA80 ( 5.52mm)
and yes ( the amreican M16 )
Sub machine guns
Milan anti tank
USAGE of Clamor and other party poppers. Including home made ones .

and just a bit more like
cross bows
sling shots
bow and arrow
I even know how to make a cross bow out of tent poles and make them my self .

so can you now see why I do not go on and on about guns ? why dont you make a thread about guns and rifles and I will get involved and tell all I know .I will do what I can to bring as much info as possible to it which will include personal experience .

But this thread isnt about GUNS , :rolleyes:

This thread is about hunting animals , how natural it is and , how a good hunter is in tune with nature .:)



but,


but



I know , but ?




BUT



Every body razzle dazzle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7o9g7QOjIo&feature=related

.


Err where have I mentioned guns on this thread :confused: :confused:


Tracker wrote
to bare hand it as they say , start from scratch
like finding flint and making an axe from that .
one couldlearn how to make a home made cross bow eventually but that takes time . spears , axes , cross bows , throwing spears that use sticks to launch , all need to be learned .

End quote


firstly it was you who brought the use of flint weapons up, fuck all to do with me !!! Explain to me the scenario you think you may find yourself in that you will have to start from scratch without the use of even a knife. ???

But but but !!!

While your busy finding the flint for your flint axe :rolleyes: Ill just have a look at what the nice fly tippers have left and what I can use on the burnt out cars to make an axe /weapon/

You see its about thinking outside the box, that is why I mentioned the fly tipping but you could not think like that !!! That is what is called adaptability, ...so you spend several weeks making a flint axe ;)

Cple of more points I may just pull you up on if I may :D

Tracker wrote
many years ago I was in the army but as you ca understand , survivalism isnt army training .
even the army has to pay for soldiers who wish to go on survivalist courses .
mainly in the army you are trained to take orders , run around alot , dig and ditch hide , and most of the time rations are given to soldiers .
if they wish to do real survivalism they have to go on courses .

End quote

Dont know what Reg you served in?? but the army will give you plenty of opportunity to test yourself. From route marches that will test your mental strength to living out doors for a few days in a forest , to doing a stag duty on your jack in the whhooooo Dark woods ;)That's just a normal regiment and not a elite unit/special forces unit.



Are you denying that going through all them things may toughen you up mentally so you know what you are capable off when wet and freezing cold??


When was the last time you was out in the countryside and had a look around ??
I mean lets take the m4 running from London to the other side of neath in Wales. Fair distance that 180plus miles about three and a half hrs driving.

I suggest you do that trip and look at the population along that route and have a look at the scenery.

[tracker]

But but but !!!
Are you cross ? Looks like you are trying to comunicate something here .


While your busy finding the flint for your flint axe :rolleyes: Ill just have a look at what the nice fly tippers have left and what I can use on the burnt out cars to make an axe /weapon/

No one said it wasnt a good idea .

You see its about thinking outside the box, that is why I mentioned the fly tipping but you could not think like that !!! That is what is called adaptability, ...so you spend several weeks making a flint axe ;)

Adaptability yes .It was a smart reply ^^^^^^^^^^very good and shows a real good adaptable mind and ability .



Cple of more points I may just pull you up on if I may :D
Dont know what Reg you served in??
This seems to indicate that I do not .
whether you accept my word or not makes no difference to me .

but the army will give you plenty of opportunity to test yourself. From route marches that will test your mental strength to living out doors for a few days in a forest , to doing a stag duty on your jack in the whhooooo Dark woods ;)That's just a normal regiment and not a elite unit/special forces unit.


Hm , you seem to have never read any of my survival threads with a least bit of interest
such things like
Citys and towns and when tshtf
escape and evasion of tracker dogs and handlers
and others that I have written through experience .
some of which you will find is a bit more than a simple Joe squaddy.
but that matters not to me neither does it if you accept it or not its all -----------ARMY .
lets face facts , concerning military protocols etc , you know next to nothing expecially about the elite .
until then my good fellow , you can not remark about experience you have never had .


Are you denying that going through all them things may toughen you up mentally so you know what you are capable off when wet and freezing cold??


but -----------I didnt say this -----------but --------------------you are !



When was the last time you was out in the countryside and had a look around ??
I mean lets take the m4 running from London to the other side of neath in Wales. Fair distance that 180plus miles about three and a half hrs driving.

I suggest you do that trip and look at the population along that route and have a look at the scenery.

Ok , shall do .

You seem to say a lot about what you think im saying rather than reading what i am saying and it is actually getting tiresome . You seem to do a lot of --------- "are you saying" ----or----- "are you denying" .

well No actually I'm not saying any of it ! denying any of it etc etc ! not realy !

Please stop implying things that are not there . All of that comes from you ,---------------- not me .


It,s a lovely day though . So how has your day been ?

For me , I have been repotting plants all morning to arrive on this forum finding you in an offish slant upon my posts .

are you feeling OK ?

Its the weekend , relax , there are only two days in a weekend and it seems like your not having any fun .

here is a nice tune for the day .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbI1FpLd4Vk

hope it cheers you up .:)

and still does not change the fact that this thread is about how hunting is part of the natural oder of nature .

just saying .:D.

[tracker]

:)

[entrangermercenary]

hhm , It would seem like this thread has been used in a classical way .
when read , one can purely see in this link how this thread was used .

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=105839&page=2

its a shame that we here have seen to have been infultrated by a fire starter .
gaslighters is the term used in gangstalking .

as we know gangstalking is a government activity who use specialists to discredit folks .

beware .

:)

Lol Like it. Well when we ran a profile check on you(GCHQ) guess what it came back as ??

If captured deport asap to Fantasy Island :eek: Do not supply tent as he will use the tent poles to make a crossbow. Remove all flint in case a flint axe could be shaped :D :p

[them]

Point of information for the uninformed.

People that shoot/hunt/stalk/fish are far more in touch with the natural order of life and nature than people who don't.

Wild animals are free range. They have a totally natural life.
A pheasant shot on a rough shoot has had a better time on this planet than a super market chicken (by the way chickens don't actually grow in fridges-honest;))

People who are critical of country sports, yet still eat meat, are kidding themselves and in my opinion are hypocrites.

A true hunter has the utmost respect for his quarry, he has learnt its ways and studied it, without this knowledge nature would not reward him with a kill.

Eating meat is natural 100%. Hunting is also natural to the human animal.

Waylander:cool:

Good post!

Wild caught animals are the only truly organic foods.

The next best thing is to rear your own animals. I have moved away from rearing lots of livestock in recent years and only hold enough now for family & close friends. When you farm animals you begin to get in touch with the thought processes our ancestors in the fertile crescent must have gone through..

Hang on a minute.. they might have said..
If I take a calf off one of these beasts and keep it until its fat I can stop wandering about endlessly hunting, build a more permanent camp & relax on the river doing a bit of fishing ;)

[tracker]

Lol Like it. Well when we ran a profile check on you(GCHQ) guess what it came back as ??

If captured deport asap to Fantasy Island :eek: Do not supply tent as he will use the tent poles to make a crossbow. Remove all flint in case a flint axe could be shaped :D :p

:D

thats quite funny .

I still excorsize my right to re-edit any post I make entrangermercenary .

I still have respect for people who grab opotunities for peace .

:)

[entrangermercenary]

:D

thats quite funny .

I still excorsize my right to re-edit any post I make entrangermercenary .

I still have respect for people who grab opotunities for peace .

:)

Oh so im not a gang stalker now then lol. Peace with you..I have never been at war with you.

What I wont have is people with no fucking experience, people who wont answer pms (WAS 5 DAYS NOT ENUFF TO ANSWER) telling me the quickest way to my death by following your advice :D

So on you go with your deluded fantasy...thats one less competitor who is going to try and nick my stores or encroach on my area of operations.

And just for your info the site below is not my blog PMSL :D Its a site that gives a run down on special forces capabilities . As far as I know its an American sight who knows .:confused:

You need to learn to read... and comprehend the information being given you

http://www.specialoperations.com/Foreign/France/Foreign_Legion/2nd_Para.htm

[tracker]

Oh so im not a gang stalker now then lol. Peace with you..I have never been at war with you.

What I wont have is people with no fucking experience, people who wont answer pms (WAS 5 DAYS NOT ENUFF TO ANSWER) telling me the quickest way to my death by following your advice :D

So on you go with your deluded fantasy...thats one less competitor who is going to try and nick my stores or encroach on my area of operations.

And just for your info the site below is not my blog PMSL :D Its a site that gives a run down on special forces capabilities . As far as I know its an American sight who knows .:confused:

You need to learn to read... and comprehend the information being given you

http://www.specialoperations.com/Foreign/France/Foreign_Legion/2nd_Para.htm

:rolleyes:

[tracker]

And now back to reality .

Despite the fact Ray mears may be a profesional one can see just how easy he makes surival look .
his skills are not over our heads , any one can learn them .

NOTE: I have never seen him with a gun . Have you ?

Remarkable man .

he makes it look allso easy , mainly because he has been doing it for years , but the more you practice the better you become .

:)

[entrangermercenary]

Here is your chance to make me eat humble pie :o

Tracker wrote

Hm , you seem to have never read any of my survival threads with a least bit of interest
such things like
Citys and towns and when tshtf
escape and evasion of tracker dogs and handlers
and others that I have written through experience .
some of which you will find is a bit more than asimple Joe squaddy .
but that matters not to me neither does it if you accept it or not its all -----------ARMY .
lets face facts , concerning military protocols etc , you know next to nothing expecially about the elite .
until then my good fellow , you can not remark about experience you have never had .

So go on share some of your experiences with us while in the elite im all ears :)

Course I comment on a experience ive never had lol,.

But of course anybody may feel free to pm and Ill put a photo album up on my profile page. Will you do the same ?? Obviously you can blank your face out like ive had to do :) Hey Ill even throw a cple of videos in as well ;)

Just another little thing to clarify then. When you doing this stuff when you were quote "a bit more than simple Joe squaddy" was this not you as well then

Tracker wrote

something that I think your Rambo special forces backside for a mind is unable to do
no wonder a simple electrician got shot in london .
armed to the bollocks top special ops cops with sepcial ops training ------all shoot shoot shoot .ask questions later .
it also explains why so many kids and inoscent folks died in other countries all thanks to those who plot .
to date ? over 2,000,000 dead .
wow , thats a medal for ya .

End quote

:confused: So if you were " a bit more than simple joe squaddy " you must also fall into that catagory. Now im confused :confused: :D

[tracker]

ray mears is a good survivalist , we all know .
but have you heard of the woods master ?
hes brilliant .

he made many real to life vids and also made homesteading and urban survival vids too .

google it and get a vid on him , he shows how to make

buttons out of bones
coats out of skin
shows how to mak evarious hunting traps and also gives tips .

his wife is a bit of a babe and she does this stuff with him .

worth getting .

the woodsmaster .:cool:

[tracker]

Here is your chance to make me eat humble pie :o

Tracker wrote

Hm , you seem to have never read any of my survival threads with a least bit of interest
such things like
Citys and towns and when tshtf
escape and evasion of tracker dogs and handlers
and others that I have written through experience .
some of which you will find is a bit more than asimple Joe squaddy .
but that matters not to me neither does it if you accept it or not its all -----------ARMY .
lets face facts , concerning military protocols etc , you know next to nothing expecially about the elite .
until then my good fellow , you can not remark about experience you have never had .

So go on share some of your experiences with us while in the elite im all ears :)

Course I comment on a experience ive never had lol,.

But of course anybody may feel free to pm and Ill put a photo album up on my profile page. Will you do the same ?? Obviously you can blank your face out like ive had to do :) Hey Ill even throw a cple of videos in as well ;)

Just another little thing to clarify then. When you doing this stuff when you were quote "a bit more than simple Joe squaddy" was this not you as well then

Tracker wrote

something that I think your Rambo special forces backside for a mind is unable to do
no wonder a simple electrician got shot in london .
armed to the bollocks top special ops cops with sepcial ops training ------all shoot shoot shoot .ask questions later .
it also explains why so many kids and inoscent folks died in other countries all thanks to those who plot .
to date ? over 2,000,000 dead .
wow , thats a medal for ya .

End quote

:confused: So if you were " a bit more than simple joe squaddy " you must also fall into that catagory. Now im confused :confused: :D


your quite desperate to show how good you are .
why ?
why does it matter to you ?

I was in 3 para , and did many courses , but i do not self proclaim .

give you self a break , stop being a prat .

this topic has now ended !

[tracker]

I dont need to explain my self to you .

[entrangermercenary]

your quite desperate to show how good you are .
why ?
why does it matter to you ?

I was in 3 para , and did many courses , but i do not self proclaim .

give you self a break , stop being a prat .

this topic has now ended !

Im just telling you exactly what I was, just so people like yourself know why I dont swallow some of the crap you post :D

So now you know that when you post you may have to do a little bit more research and then think how would that be practicable to adapt in the UK.

See I new some good would come out of it eventually :)

[tracker]

here are a few vids on good survivalists and hunters who stay in tune with nature .
the 1st three are from the woodsmaster and his wife .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOpLVQJWXR0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw2iagS5ymQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7SbAMT9z4A&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQSF9BhmnQM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awz6ruJrGiw&feature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsME4pfDluA&feature=channel

:)

[entrangermercenary]

Escape and evasion of tracker dogs and handlers
escort ( if you know what that realy is )
reconasance
body guard


and other courses outside tha armed robots of no think land you called a fkin career .
either way , its all army ,
if its not its navi of cours it could be airforce .

daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa !

I am not going to go on an ego trip for you to pull down .

now get over your self entrangermercenary .

give ya self a break and fk off !

I have no need to prve my self least of all to you ,
unlike your self here on a massive ego trip .

give this OP some fkn respect !:mad:

Now tracker your training is fine and well over 30yrs ago I would imagine.
Recce hey, so you must be pretty clued up on navigation when you cant see the stars or anything in jungle type enviroment and heavy dense woodland. Hey thats good.

Bodyguard as well, dont you mean close protection op. Imean thats what they call themselves. Bodyguard is so passe and one wdnt really call themselves that.
Handlers escort no never come across that. Remember being in a cage tho while they set 1 dog on me and then a minute later another dog. Was dressed up in all the gear, but was warned if I went over they may not be able to get to me in time before they rip my face and throat open.

As for Robots, were you never taught to think quickly on your feet and react accordingly in split seconds. ??

Any way its been a pleasure chatting with you this weekend :) Keep up the research and lets see what and how survival issues can be adapted to the Uk.
Ive learned a lot about you this weekend

Remember

Tracker wrote

concerning military protocols etc , you know next to nothing expecially about the elite .
until then my good fellow , you can not remark about experience you have never had

End quote

KABOOOM :D

BACK TO THE OP NOW :)

[petercookie]

What does being in the army have to do with anything anyway??????

I can jog 2 mile and do 20 press ups........ :p

No in all seriousness it would be intresting to get some advise from people who are serving or have done in the past.

The issue is survival and imo you should do what ever it takes.

Its good if you can live in nature peacefully though, and be content in your surroundings.....

[tracker]

Now tracker your training is fine and well over 30yrs ago I would imagine.
Recce hey, so you must be pretty clued up on navigation when you cant see the stars or anything in jungle type enviroment and heavy dense woodland. Hey thats good.

Bodyguard as well, dont you mean close protection op. Imean thats what they call themselves. Bodyguard is so passe and one wdnt really call themselves that.
Handlers escort no never come across that. Remember being in a cage tho while they set 1 dog on me and then a minute later another dog. Was dressed up in all the gear, but was warned if I went over they may not be able to get to me in time before they rip my face and throat open.

As for Robots, were you never taught to think quickly on your feet and react accordingly in split seconds. ??

Any way its been a pleasure chatting with you this weekend :) Keep up the research and lets see what and how survival issues can be adapted to the Uk.
Ive learned a lot about you this weekend

Remember

Tracker wrote

concerning military protocols etc , you know next to nothing expecially about the elite .
until then my good fellow , you can not remark about experience you have never had

End quote

KABOOOM :D

BACK TO THE OP NOW :)

kaboom ?

body guard was a civil course , something that I thought a good switched on mind would know , it wasnt called close protection OP in my day , and since body guard is a civil thing and close protection OP was called armed escort where I came from , and yes it is old scool and over 20 years , but so what .


look

I have an idea

its best to see me as a fake , a no body , just a JOE , a small time boy with nothing to say , no one to loose sleep over .

I prefure it this way .

and on that note ,lets hope now we both have an understanding .

.

[tracker]

What does being in the army have to do with anything anyway??????

I can jog 2 mile and do 20 press ups........ :p

No in all seriousness it would be intresting to get some advise from people who are serving or have done in the past.

The issue is survival and imo you should do what ever it takes.

Its good if you can live in nature peacefully though, and be content in your surroundings.....

I will tell you if you really want to know.

its the difference between jogging two miles ( in how long did you say ? ) and doing it under 14 minutes .
its the difference between jogging and runing two miles
its the difference between jogging two miles and doing a 17Klm Tab with wieght on ya back

and if your going to survive bad times , carrying that wieght and having to run or tab long distances can make the difference between survival , or death

its the difference between doing 20 press ups ( in how long did you say ? ) and doing 60 in a minute
or 60 pull ups in a minute

its the difference between being dead or alive .

but then I am no longer able to do that kind of activity as they say "Im too old for that shit".

lol.

[entrangermercenary]

I will tell you if you really want to know.

its the difference between jogging two miles ( in how long did you say ? ) and doing it under 14 minutes .
its the difference between jogging and runing two miles
its the difference between jogging two miles and doing a 17Klm Tab with wieght on ya back

and if your going to survive bad times , carrying that wieght and having to run or tab long distances can make the difference between survival , or death

its the difference between doing 20 press ups ( in how long did you say ? ) and doing 60 in a minute
or 60 pull ups in a minute

its the difference between being dead or alive .

but then I am no longer able to do that kind of activity as they say "Im too old for that shit".

lol.

PMSL you have had to go away and delete the last post where you have put army training has no relevance to survival. tHEN you have actually thought something through . Gold star for tracker lol. Ill be back to comment on this or not

aS THEY SAY ENGAGE BRAIN BEFORE MOUTH :D

[tracker]

Now tracker your training is fine and well over 30yrs ago I would imagine.
Recce hey, so you must be pretty clued up on navigation when you cant see the stars or anything in jungle type enviroment and heavy dense woodland. Hey thats good.

Bodyguard as well, dont you mean close protection op. Imean thats what they call themselves. Bodyguard is so passe and one wdnt really call themselves that.
Handlers escort no never come across that. Remember being in a cage tho while they set 1 dog on me and then a minute later another dog. Was dressed up in all the gear, but was warned if I went over they may not be able to get to me in time before they rip my face and throat open.

As for Robots, were you never taught to think quickly on your feet and react accordingly in split seconds. ??

Any way its been a pleasure chatting with you this weekend :) Keep up the research and lets see what and how survival issues can be adapted to the Uk.
Ive learned a lot about you this weekend

Remember

Tracker wrote

concerning military protocols etc , you know next to nothing expecially about the elite .
until then my good fellow , you can not remark about experience you have never had

End quote

KABOOOM :D

BACK TO THE OP NOW :)

body guard is a course I took outisde of the TA at the time before joining regulars .

LOL you seem to have confused this with the shity task of something else I did called armed escort .
yes it is old school talk
but
you called it "close protective OP" :D

FKN hell ! close protective OP :D
jesus wept !
talk about self proclaimed adoration for something that is nothing less than an armed escort .because that is all it is an armed escort .

pmsl = close protective OP :D
sounds like a pallet stacker claiming he is a stacking ingeineer :D
close protective OP = :D FFS pmsl .

I havent laughed so much in my life .

Look dude , Im way to old to argue with you on this , if you call it close protective OP then thats what it is .
but to me , a palletstacker is still a pallet stacker and NOT a stacking ingineer.
as is , your close protective op a simple armed escort.

I now see what Im dealing with here

pmsl :D

[tracker]

What does being in the army have to do with anything anyway??????

I can jog 2 mile and do 20 press ups........ :p

No in all seriousness it would be intresting to get some advise from people who are serving or have done in the past.

The issue is survival and imo you should do what ever it takes.

Its good if you can live in nature peacefully though, and be content in your surroundings.....

I have decided to repost on this comment the way i meant it in the first place .
petercookie I have enjoyed all your threads and posts , you have much to offer this section indeed .
but to describe what your asking about more precisely , i will say this .




I will tell you if you really want to know.

its the difference between jogging two miles ( in how long did you say ? ) and doing it under 14 minutes .
its the difference between jogging and runing two miles
its the difference between jogging two miles and doing a 17Klm Tab with wieght on ya back

and if your going to survive bad times , carrying that wieght and having to run or tab long distances can make the difference between survival , or death

its the difference between doing 20 press ups ( in how long did you say ? ) and doing 60 in a minute
or 60 pull ups in a minute

its the difference to finding cover just in the nick of time shortly seconds before a sniper hets his sights on you .
its the egde that gives you the energy after a 17Klm tab runing from trackers and fully armed fully kitted out profesional killers and having that extra energy to turn round , gain composure and aim a rifle precisely enough to take out an CO . ( comisioned officer ) and NCOs ( None comisioned officers /corperals etc ) .

it can make all the difference as to wether you just give up or carry on , loose your mind or keep focused .


its the difference between life and death .


its also the difference to know
when to act
when not too
when to stay and hide
when to run
when to fight
and when to walk away

Ive said all this , so that entrangermercenary can rest now lol being tickled pink from a few comments of mine he seems rather active :D

and on that note of walking away , I now do so , because if there is something that really upsets me is --------fighting my own countrymen .

:cool:

[tracker]

one more comment as i couldnt help my self .

its the difference between knowing that sometimes it is best to injure the enemy rather than to killem .

why ?

imagine this

you have a section ( in my day a group of 8 to 11 men ) tracking you down .

you have found the perfect opotunity to defend for a few seconds .
in that few seconds you realise you only have 5 bullets .

so you take a shot .
one man goes down with a leg injury .

so why is that better in some cases ?

because it takes two men to carry him back to safety and off the field .

you then shoot another in the stomache but none fatal

another two takes him off the field .

thats 6 less enemy troops one has to contend with for a while .

with only two bullets = 6 men have gone .

that leaves you with maybe , only 4 or 5 .

at that rate your gonna feel good hope .


(however yes this thread has been re-edited but only because i missed this out
todays soldiers or the majority of them now ware bullet proof jackest , so a shot to the chest or tummy area might not have the desired affect . its alsoknowing who your enemy is )edit finished


sometimes hit and run or gorilla tactics is better than just shooting away .

because simple joe doesnt know these things , he isnt trained , he is unaware of battle tactics and protocols.

but thats enough of this soldiering for me .

as they say

Im too old for this shit :D

[tracker]

PMSL you have had to go away and delete the last post where you have put army training has no relevance to survival. tHEN you have actually thought something through . Gold star for tracker lol. Ill be back to comment on this or not

aS THEY SAY ENGAGE BRAIN BEFORE MOUTH :D

well you can now look at my posts again concerning what is the pros of being military trained but quite frankly entrangermercenary
mees thinks you are a spook .
a typical fraudulant forum spying spook !

I dont give a flying fk what you think of me and wether or not your going to comment on my posts,
something I cant stand is a young trumped up fart like you self giving fancy names to things like armed escort calling it close protective op .
thats as fk stupid as a pallet stacker calling hims elf a stacking engineer .

I dont care if you have a web site with photos of you and your government ass lickers on it , it means as much to me as the tele , full of shit and lies , with trumped up pictures of pure fakes !

now its as simple as this

a guy with your fat headed quick tempered shitfa brains would never be allowed on a survival trip near me ya know why ?

coz ya not worthy !
your an angry lying sceeming self proclaimed C++T.

what with your tracker apreciation threads ,and your -stacking engineering , you can kiss my ass .:cool:

and for those who wish to see a typical forum spook in action

look here
where you can see a spook at work . he had used this actual thread that you are reading this message on and manipulated it to fit his own egotistic job .
spooking .

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=105839

well yes , i did bite but next time I wont .

kaboom

game over !

[tracker]

here are some wild plant food vids

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2BxgmUFsFA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp-CUKhpgyI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFKP5i0w9s4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV23NYQR-aY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt8eb7BtaIo&feature=related

:)

[tracker]

here are some brilliant hunting vids .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ssh8Vsbvn2A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6rKgL75POo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2P1uyeRqjBo&feature=related


other skills vids

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hONWFKXdkSk&feature=related


this girl is aone hell of a babe ! WOW ! talk about hit the mark .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SJTi0TSmhA&feature=related





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1FwNX4bC9A&feature=related

:)

[petercookie]

Thanks for the links tracker, ill check them out sometime........... Cheers man :)

[tracker]

more hunter vids .

beware some graphical emiages .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIWY4_Gi4Hw

the bonus of hunting with no guns = no sound - no compromise on your position thus not frightening other wild life away .real stealth stuff .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oTtTrSwAtw&feature=related


but look out , the hunted can become the agresser .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD5zjUbWpXY&feature=related

:cool:

[tracker]

Thanks for the links tracker, ill check them out sometime........... Cheers man :)


yeah sorry about being side tracked , i have fans that get obsessed :D

I have more vids to put here , bloody loads .

sorry for the heated moments on this otherwise brilliant topic that will obviousely get derailed from spooks taking pop shots .

otherwise now I have had my fill of them , and time to get to the nitty gritty .

the OP.

[tracker]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmMl6M_gTpA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45DlgjGfQqs&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwG8eySp-Hc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzIdBj_7svo&feature=related

look at this new stuff .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSKy3PbddZk :eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSbP4VrYbH8&feature=related

:cool:

[entrangermercenary]

body guard is a course I took outisde of the TA at the time before joining regulars .

LOL you seem to have confused this with the shity task of something else I did called armed escort .
yes it is old school talk
but
you called it "close protective OP" :D

FKN hell ! close protective OP :D
jesus wept !
talk about self proclaimed adoration for something that is nothing less than an armed escort .because that is all it is an armed escort .

pmsl = close protective OP :D
sounds like a pallet stacker claiming he is a stacking ingeineer :D
close protective OP = :D FFS pmsl .

I havent laughed so much in my life .

Look dude , Im way to old to argue with you on this , if you call it close protective OP then thats what it is .
but to me , a palletstacker is still a pallet stacker and NOT a stacking ingineer.
as is , your close protective op a simple armed escort.

I now see what Im dealing with here

pmsl :D

I suppose if any 1 does a google search and types in Bodyguard may well be intresting to what see comes up :)

Of course you took a civil course, a one week residential course costing about 500-800 quid. See at the time it was all the rage, all the ex anybodies were setting courses up and the punters were flooding in.

A bodyguard is like some1 who protects maddona a great big geezer who can push people away.
A close protection operator tries to keep things under wraps travelling incognito and not advertising the fact of what they are.So keeping the principle safe and away from unwanted protection. In the Uk they cant carry weapons but a kubotan always came in useful( not sure if they are legal any more)

Btw tracker I have a fake photo of that as well :D

[entrangermercenary]

one more comment as i couldnt help my self .

its the difference between knowing that sometimes it is best to injure the enemy rather than to killem .

why ?

imagine this

you have a section ( in my day a group of 8 to 11 men ) tracking you down .

you have found the perfect opotunity to defend for a few seconds .
in that few seconds you realise you only have 5 bullets .

so you take a shot .
one man goes down with a leg injury .

so why is that better in some cases ?

because it takes two men to carry him back to safety and off the field .

you then shoot another in the stomache but none fatal

another two takes him off the field .

thats 6 less enemy troops one has to contend with for a while .

with only two bullets = 6 men have gone .

that leaves you with maybe , only 4 or 5 .

at that rate your gonna feel good hope .


(however yes this thread has been re-edited but only because i missed this out
todays soldiers or the majority of them now ware bullet proof jackest , so a shot to the chest or tummy area might not have the desired affect . its alsoknowing who your enemy is )edit finished


sometimes hit and run or gorilla tactics is better than just shooting away .

because simple joe doesnt know these things , he isnt trained , he is unaware of battle tactics and protocols.

but thats enough of this soldiering for me .

as they say

Im too old for this shit :D

Lol learnt that at the scouts :rolleyes:

[entrangermercenary]

well you can now look at my posts again concerning what is the pros of being military trained but quite frankly entrangermercenary
mees thinks you are a spook .
a typical fraudulant forum spying spook !

I dont give a flying fk what you think of me and wether or not your going to comment on my posts,
something I cant stand is a young trumped up fart like you self giving fancy names to things like armed escort calling it close protective op .
thats as fk stupid as a pallet stacker calling hims elf a stacking engineer .

I dont care if you have a web site with photos of you and your government ass lickers on it , it means as much to me as the tele , full of shit and lies , with trumped up pictures of pure fakes !

now its as simple as this

a guy with your fat headed quick tempered shitfa brains would never be allowed on a survival trip near me ya know why ?

coz ya not worthy !
your an angry lying sceeming self proclaimed C++T.

what with your tracker apreciation threads ,and your -stacking engineering , you can kiss my ass .:cool:

and for those who wish to see a typical forum spook in action

look here
where you can see a spook at work . he had used this actual thread that you are reading this message on and manipulated it to fit his own egotistic job .
spooking .

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=105839

well yes , i did bite but next time I wont .

kaboom

game over !

Armed escort :confused: We were talking about bodyguards which you decided to bring up for some uknown reason !!!

Trumped up pictures and fakes :eek: Slander I tell you pure slander :p lol
OK m8 what ever !!!

Scheming,.... I told you before most of the shit you post is not relevant to the UK and only have to look at the last videos you put up. A fucking professional in a hide taking turkeys down from 10-25yds. How is that relevant to survival in the UK or if it goes tits up. Nice

So now we can get back to the army bit because I really like your take on this

Tracker wrote

many years ago I was in the army but as you ca understand , survival ism isnt army training .
even the army has to pay for soldiers who wish to go on survivalist courses .
mainly in the army you are trained to take orders , run around alot , dig and ditch hide , and most of the time rations are given to soldiers .
if they wish to do real survivalism they have to go on courses .

End quote

Lets see because you already had to back pedal on this once by deleting a post but here goes.

The army will show you how to make a fire

The army will show you how to make a basha/ lean 2

The army will teach you how to camouflage and conceal

The army will show you how to navigate

The army will show you how to read and traverse terrain


It will teach you that with common sense, and a thinking brain things can be done that you thought you could not do.

Some units will be taught how to snare


The army will give you big bergans to carry large distances in all weathers. It will test your mental ability and push you to limits you didnt think you could reach.

Now thats not a bad start for survival eh tracker :)

What the army will not teach you is to make a flint axe

A crossbow out of tent poles

How to build a kayak to paddle across a lake

to make spears, throw stones in slings and other exotic bush craft survival that you will never use unless in the Canadian/Alaskan mountains.


Tip for the day

Where ever you decide you area of operations are going to be have a look where your nearest recycling center is :eek: We have one right in the forest and most are situated well on the outskirts of towns or villages.
Why you may ask ??
Simple if you need to come and raid well its like a gold mine. Clothes banks, oil and batteries (battery acid :D), wire, untold goodies that can be used for weapons ie old lawn mowers..turn upside down and take the blade off...saves you making a flint axe :p

You wont find that in any video or book tracker

Well im told that this is damaging the survival forum :eek: SO you can reply in away shape or form and I wont reply. :)

Oh BTW NEXT TIME ANSWER YOUR PMs...THIS COULD OF BEEN AVOIDED AND IF ANY MOD WANTS A LOOK AT THEM FEEL FREE !!!

[petercookie]

wire, untold goodies that can be used for weapons ie old lawn mowers..turn upside down and take the blade off...saves you making a flint axe

You wont find that in any video or book

I made a thread in the survival section called -"living homeless" (May aswell plug it eh :D) - http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=99907

And i think what you say there is right because alot of times you will find food from bins, weapons from rubbish, clothes from recycling centers ect............ The way i see it is use what ever resourses are to hand and that depends on your location aswell. Still its good to have the knowledge to be able to do both, the more you know, then the more you can do in what ever situation you are in.

I also think it would be great a video or book made by a true person who has lived homeless and would show you everything they have done to get by (legal and illegal stuff)..........

A couple of good books here -"STEEL THIS BOOK" - http://www.4shared.com/file/78411725/318e4940/Abbie_Hoffman_-_Steal_This_Boo.html?s=1

Worst case survival hand book- http://www.4shared.com/file/161956562/d79d3345/Worst_Case_Scenario_Handbook__.html?s=1

[mightiswrong]

Simple if you need to come and raid well its like a gold mine. Clothes banks, oil and batteries (battery acid :D), wire, untold goodies that can be used for weapons ie old lawn mowers..turn upside down and take the blade off...saves you making a flint axe :p

Might be a bit easier to make a flint axe then to get a lawn mower blade off a lawnmower without the proper tools. Also it might work a bit better.

[entrangermercenary]

Might be a bit easier to make a flint axe then to get a lawn mower blade off a lawnmower without the proper tools. Also it might work a bit better.

Well some time people got to think out of the box :)

[tracker]

I suppose if any 1 does a google search and types in Bodyguard may well be intresting to what see comes up :)

Of course you took a civil course, a one week residential course costing about 500-800 quid. See at the time it was all the rage, all the ex anybodies were setting courses up and the punters were flooding in.

A bodyguard is like some1 who protects maddona a great big geezer who can push people away.
A close protection operator tries to keep things under wraps travelling incognito and not advertising the fact of what they are.So keeping the principle safe and away from unwanted protection. In the Uk they cant carry weapons but a kubotan always came in useful( not sure if they are legal any more)

Btw tracker I have a fake photo of that as well :D

brilliant and good for you .

I can see it now , entrangermercenary in full battle fategues with camo on face , running around , shooting guns , when all of the sudden mum calls you back in from your back garden coz its raining and she tells you to change your jeans and take the chocolate off ya face .
straight into covert ops , jumping around behind the sofa , shouting out bang bang ,
she tells you to get ready and and you go into "FULL CLOSE PROTECTIVE OP" mode and ya go straight into a safe house .
mums pleased to see you in pyjamers with little pics of tigger on them .
she kisses you good night and notices that once again you hold tigger closely .

just another day for a pallet stacker . ( oops stacking engineer ):D

[entrangermercenary]

I made a thread in the survival section called -"living homeless" (May aswell plug it eh :D) - http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=99907

And i think what you say there is right because alot of times you will find food from bins, weapons from rubbish, clothes from recycling centers ect............ The way i see it is use what ever resourses are to hand and that depends on your location aswell. Still its good to have the knowledge to be able to do both, the more you know, then the more you can do in what ever situation you are in.

I also think it would be great a video or book made by a true person who has lived homeless and would show you everything they have done to get by (legal and illegal stuff)..........

A couple of good books here -"STEEL THIS BOOK" - http://www.4shared.com/file/78411725/318e4940/Abbie_Hoffman_-_Steal_This_Boo.html?s=1

Worst case survival hand book- http://www.4shared.com/file/161956562/d79d3345/Worst_Case_Scenario_Handbook__.html?s=1

Nice 1:)

[tracker]

Might be a bit easier to make a flint axe then to get a lawn mower blade off a lawnmower without the proper tools. Also it might work a bit better.


these skills are indeed valuable .
it was a remark I made earlier to "Time2wakeup" .

its fine knowing how to shoot a gun , once youve mastered it whats there to do ?
well one can then learn how to make tools with knives .
once that is mastered one can learn how to make tools from scratch , with nothing .
bare handed , straight , true , as you are kind if thing .

these skills are an excellent backup system for when others fail or when you find your self stuck with no equipment .

I dont claim them to be the saver of the world skills , but then , if we had stayed in tune with nature , maybe it could have been .

I dont claim that it out wits a gun , but then that could all depend on the person behind that gun , know what I mean ?

all survival skills are good to learn .
ALL !

and you are right , its fine having a lawnmower blade , but then you have to sharpen it , and also , what if there is no dump or tip , about ?

if you only know how to shoot a gun , and you have no other skills , ya buggered .

you have made a good point about that blade thing , its true .

one has to sharpen it to make is realy useful . Not many places in the wild to sharpen a lawnmower blade . one also has to find the right kind of rock to sharpen it on too .

:)

[tracker]

I made a thread in the survival section called -"living homeless" (May aswell plug it eh :D) - http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=99907

And i think what you say there is right because alot of times you will find food from bins, weapons from rubbish, clothes from recycling centers ect............ The way i see it is use what ever resourses are to hand and that depends on your location aswell. Still its good to have the knowledge to be able to do both, the more you know, then the more you can do in what ever situation you are in.

I also think it would be great a video or book made by a true person who has lived homeless and would show you everything they have done to get by (legal and illegal stuff)..........

A couple of good books here -"STEEL THIS BOOK" - http://www.4shared.com/file/78411725/318e4940/Abbie_Hoffman_-_Steal_This_Boo.html?s=1

Worst case survival hand book- http://www.4shared.com/file/161956562/d79d3345/Worst_Case_Scenario_Handbook__.html?s=1

yeah I have seen that thread , its good .:)

[entrangermercenary]

and you are right , its fine having a lawnmower blade , but then you have to sharpen it , and also , what if there is no dump or tip , about ?

Well you wont get one will you!!! Did you not read the post it said recce the area. There is one right on the outskirts of the v large forest where I live !!!


you have made a good point about that blade thing , its true .

one has to sharpen it to make is realy useful . Not many places in the wild to sharpen a lawnmower blade . one also has to find the right kind of rock to sharpen it on too .

Tell me this... Do you think we will suddenly go back to the stone age. Where are all the houses, factories and tools going to disappear to ???
:)

My reply in Red :)

[tracker]

My reply in Red :)

well I have to hand it to you tigger , 15 posts and not a sinlge one made to the OP. A gold medal hands out to you for the biggest spammer and derailer of threads I have ever seen on DI forum so far .

anyway , you asked , do I think we will return to the stone age because I said to petercookie I wish to learn from scratch .

well let me see , aha
Lets go back a page and look at the next two quotes .
one was about stone axes and the other was your reply to them .
Might be a bit easier to make a flint axe then to get a lawn mower blade off a lawnmower without the proper tools. Also it might work a bit better.
Well some time people got to think out of the box :)

so there we have it straight from the horses mouth .
now lets see if you can make it 16 posts unrelated to the OP .
go on , a little boy like you will not be able to help ya self .its so predictable .
Kids ? :rolleyes: ya gotta lovem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG1stB4f7VA

now watch my next post and engage brain and not mouth.

[tracker]

these clips take hunting from another angle .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPMt2UBY45I&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrd_QXxOEWQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGIcCRJGYug&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6LxKfpAPYA&feature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQD-TPXM5pQ&feature=channel

[lyrag]

Point of information for the uninformed.

People that shoot/hunt/stalk/fish are far more in touch with the natural order of life and nature than people who don't.

Wild animals are free range. They have a totally natural life.
A pheasant shot on a rough shoot has had a better time on this planet than a super market chicken (by the way chickens don't actually grow in fridges-honest;))

People who are critical of country sports, yet still eat meat, are kidding themselves and in my opinion are hypocrites.

A true hunter has the utmost respect for his quarry, he has learnt its ways and studied it, without this knowledge nature would not reward him with a kill.

Eating meat is natural 100%. Hunting is also natural to the human animal.

Waylander:cool:

I totally agree...to a point! i personally dont think we are suppose to be 100% vegan or eat meat daily year round.

I have been vegetarian, vegan, raw vegan and when i was a child i ate meat daily. Peoples convenience diets are totally F****** nature up. you dont have to read biased statistics to see that. I dont think people do it to be a***h**** though, its lack of knowledge but i also think peoples egos and selfishness have a large part to play(If you just think about how many people you know who fit the stereotypes of big hard beer bellied men refusing to stop eating meat and to eat healthier or vegan/vegetarians who think they are the kindness people about because they dont EAT meat but fail to view any other part of their lives). nowadays there is a vast amount of information around and accessibility to do the right thing.
I dont think guns are a great thing though. alot of hunting skill has been lost through using guns and then there are also the resources and labor that are used in making a gun. Hunting is natural for survival, guns are not! Still though better from a nutritional,ethical and ecological part any day than buying meat from supermarket or farmer. Iv totally been re-thinking my diet lately, i use to only really think about it from a nutritional point and the fact that i wanted nothing to do with the meat industry. I also think there are millions of vegetarians still out there who think they are being kind not eating meat, when they are blind to the fact that the dairy industry provides for the meat industry. If its from a nutritional point of view, research how good milk really is for you. If its from a cruelty point of view, research what goes on in the dairy world, again especially with milk. Everyone knows about battery hens these days. I personally dont have a problem with eating eggs when i know where they have come from ( my family have chicken and geese) plus their is some K vitamin, im sure its K3 maybe? that you can only get from eggs.
I think like many others animals we are suppose to eat what is available to us seasonally, we dont do this. for example this time of year it would be fungi, meat, nettle shoots, plantain shoots, bark, but mainly meat. Whereas in summer autumn their would not be much need for meat if any at all, you could easily have your diet 70% greens with fruit and herbs.
My current diet i will admit is not earth friendly or ethical, im an 'organic' vegetarian but i soon plan to break out of this and move onto a high percentage wild diet.

[entrangermercenary]

Survival is a dirty buissiness and not a fluffy one.
Here is a couple pictures of a goat getting slaughtered and ready to eat.Note the leaves on the floor to catch most of the blood. A good standard parang/machete soon takes the head off, and is great for chopping the meat :D
Google for more detail as I cant be arsed typing all that out.Slaughtering most animals is the same principle near enuff ...but there are tricks to each species of animal.


But a little trick you wont find in any... u tube... video is cut just above the hoof the skin so you can lift it a bit. Then blow into the void. This will blow the skin up and its v easy then to peel it off !!!!

But then again these photos may be photo shopped !!Well of course they are Ive had to black the faces out. Btw im not in the photos :)

And of course the men in it are deranged killers, shock horror :eek:

Btw goat is fucking gorgeous

Head off
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=690&pictureid=6542


Intact gut sack coming out very important not to contaminate the meat

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=690&pictureid=6544


nearly done. Note the goat head on the table chuck the lot in :D

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=690&pictureid=6543

Oh and the trouble we had with this one :eek: Its actually an elephant skull

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?pictureid=6547&albumid=690&dl=1267560053&thumb=1

[waylander]

Gotta love this thread :D

LOL:)

Waylander:cool:

[the itinerant shrubber]

Survival is a dirty buissiness and not a fluffy one.
Here is a couple pictures of a goat getting slaughtered and ready to eat.Note the leaves on the floor to catch most of the blood. A good standard parang/machete soon takes the head off, and is great for chopping the meat :D
Google for more detail as I cant be arsed typing all that out.Slaughtering most animals is the same principle near enuff ...but there are tricks to each species of animal.


But a little trick you wont find in any... u tube... video is cut just above the hoof the skin so you can lift it a bit. Then blow into the void. This will blow the skin up and its v easy then to peel it off !!!!

But then again these photos may be photo shopped !!Well of course they are Ive had to black the faces out. Btw im not in the photos :)

And of course the men in it are deranged killers, shock horror :eek:

Btw goat is fucking gorgeous

Head off
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=690&pictureid=6542


Intact gut sack coming out very important not to contaminate the meat

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=690&pictureid=6544


nearly done. Note the goat head on the table chuck the lot in :D

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=690&pictureid=6543

Oh and the trouble we had with this one :eek: Its actually an elephant skull

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?pictureid=6547&albumid=690&dl=1267560053&thumb=1

I want pics! It would be a good idea to find a friendly butcher who will show you how to correctly butcher an animal. Anything with fur is much the same anatomically so a deers no different to a rabbit as far as butchering is concerned.
I hate gutting. Its a filthy stinky job and Im not the worlds best butcher. Thats why I get the kids to do it LOL

[them]

There are some very comprehensive Youtubes on butchery.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InFgwUMBO4o

/edit Great pictures entrangermercenary!

[tracker]

here are some brilliant hunting vids .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ssh8Vsbvn2A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6rKgL75POo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2P1uyeRqjBo&feature=related


other skills vids

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hONWFKXdkSk&feature=related


this girl is aone hell of a babe ! WOW ! talk about hit the mark .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SJTi0TSmhA&feature=related





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1FwNX4bC9A&feature=related

:)


vids went from the page.

[tracker]

Here is your chance to make me eat humble pie :o
So go on share some of your experiences with us while in the elite im all ears :)

:confused: So if you were " a bit more than simple joe squaddy " you must also fall into that catagory. Now im confused :confused: :D

Look here , Ihave decided to roll in the numbers again .


Just a question or two , take a look at your post here ^^^^^^^^^^^

seems to mostly contradict me but have absolutely no experience your self .
You have spent most of your time doing this , why ?
Look at your reply and notice what you are doing here .

Now dont get me wrong , you claim to be a specialist right .

so why are these the only threads you have ever made ?

This one is about the snow , doesnt say much of anything realy.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98380

One that seems to realy tell a joke and only has a picture of a canon in it .
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95498

One that tells about your son taking a scouts trip.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92302

One that ( IMO ) miss informs others of the benifits of crossbows .
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66696

One that asks Cafetimes to unblock you .
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=75067

Here is one that actually talks about survival here in the UK but doesnt really have much info . Not for a specialist .
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65301

Now dont get me wrong entrangermercenary , regarding some comments that you made about me being inexperienced and the only thing about me is that my heart is in the right place , you have to admit
You dont seem to be putting your heart into anything let alone helping people or giving away that specialist knowledge you claim that you have .

You made a comment once about me having to google or ask a friend for the answers .I thought that the comment was rather funny at the time .
But is this all so typical here ?
I notice that you join a alot of threads , I have noticed that most of the time you take a small comment from the OPs and contradict them by making whole posts based around those small comments rather than give full blown specialist input on the subject .

Whats happening here ?

where is this specialist input ?

give it already .

Not much of a specialist from here , so dont ever give me crap again about me being a simple squaddy.
until you are ABLE to earn my respect through atleast proving your specialist training , I shall endevour to keep prodding you on this now .

show us your knowledge already .:cool:

:cool:

[tracker]

more hunter vids .

beware some graphical emiages .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIWY4_Gi4Hw

the bonus of hunting with no guns = no sound - no compromise on your position thus not frightening other wild life away .real stealth stuff .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oTtTrSwAtw&feature=related


but look out , the hunted can become the agresser .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD5zjUbWpXY&feature=related

:cool:

bumping the vids.

[the itinerant shrubber]

Look here , Ihave decided to roll in the numbers again .


Just a question or two , take a look at your post here ^^^^^^^^^^^

seems to mostly contradict me but have absolutely no experience your self .
You have spent most of your time doing this , why ?
Look at your reply and notice what you are doing here .

Now dont get me wrong , you claim to be a specialist right .

so why are these the only threads you have ever made ?

This one is about the snow , doesnt say much of anything realy.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98380

One that seems to realy tell a joke and only has a picture of a canon in it .
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95498

One that tells about your son taking a scouts trip.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92302

One that ( IMO ) miss informs others of the benifits of crossbows .
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66696

One that asks Cafetimes to unblock you .
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=75067

Here is one that actually talks about survival here in the UK but doesnt really have much info . Not for a specialist .
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65301

Now dont get me wrong entrangermercenary , regarding some comments that you made about me being inexperienced and the only thing about me is that my heart is in the right place , you have to admit
You dont seem to be putting your heart into anything let alone helping people or giving away that specialist knowledge you claim that you have .

You made a comment once about me having to google or ask a friend for the answers .I thought that the comment was rather funny at the time .
But is this all so typical here ?
I notice that you join a alot of threads , I have noticed that most of the time you take a small comment from the OPs and contradict them by making whole posts based around those small comments rather than give full blown specialist input on the subject .

Whats happening here ?

where is this specialist input ?

give it already .

Not much of a specialist from here , so dont ever give me crap again about me being a simple squaddy.
until you are ABLE to earn my respect through atleast proving your specialist training , I shall endevour to keep prodding you on this now .

show us your knowledge already .:cool:

:cool:

I agree with mercenary regarding xbows and finding meat. Xbows are loud. Ive used them so I actually know this. They also need constant re sighting due to the shock of the bow,even with floating sights.

Hunting is not easy and takes years to be good enough to survive by hunting alone. I know becouse ive hunted with bows,xbows,air rifles and catupults.
It wont take long for the deer to wise up and realise theyre back on the menu and if you spend most of your time in front of a computer or indoors instead of living the things on this forum then you havnt got a hope in hell.

There is a big difference between knowing how to do something and actually being able to do it.

How many here have actually succesfully snared a rabbit,used a xbow for hunting or stalked game?
There is a world of difference between sitting on your arse discussing the merits of bows and xbows,how many tins of ravioli to store away and the best way to light a fire and actually doing it; and not just doing it but actually incorperating it into your life so it becomes a way of life.

Hunting will leave you cold,wet and miserable and more often than not-hungry.
Butchering an animal in the fiels is filthy,smelly and nasty. Can you stomach it when you have remove the foetuses from a pregnant doe or scrape away the puss from a sebacious cyst? Can you tell when an animal is dead and just spasming or still alive?
If your knowledge comes from youtube videos and cut and pasted articles on this forum,you're fucked.

Mercanary seems to talk more sense than most on this forum. His advice for winter was excellent. When youve been beaten half to death by a gang and your precious buffalo shirt and thinsulate gloves from Surplus and Adventure have been taken off you,tights and washing up gloves will be alot easier to find.
Anyone with experience already knows to avoid civvy kit becouse its inferior to military kit. Tricks like wearing tights comes from hard earned experience in less than ideal circumstances. When the shit goes down, you will NOT be prepared. No one will be. Your grab-bag will probably be elsewhere and even if yiou do have it,unless you've done a survival exersise with it,most of the stuff will be useless in practice.
When your expensive socks eventually start to wear out,youll get blisters becouse even though you "know how to" snare a squirrel,you never actually bothered to learn how to darn a sock.

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Yes he does have some good points I don't deny it .

It just all seems so ---erm

Pessimistic at times is all .

It would be better ( not just for me but ) for others if he was to go deeper into why etc , more illestration is all .

OK at times me and him hit heads but I do recognise a SKILL .

He has skills and there is absolutely no doubt about that , but illestrating his reasons is not one of them .
:D