Is David Icke no longer interested in conspiracy?

[baron von lotsov]

Well if you think he is, would you mind telling me what clearing out his attic has got to do with it?

Is this now more of a celeb thing where we are supposed to worship the guy in a way similar to how the gutter press prints trivia about celebs, like what they eat for lunch and if they have a new boy/girl friend rather than any critique of their actual 'talent'.

I'm not just getting at Icke here and to be honest my gripe has more to do with the audience and how it is being steered by what is commonly known as the PTB. Here is an example, the other day I found out that the man who wrote all the Beatles music, called Adorno, had a bloodline connection that is the most powerful royal bloodline of them all, a Guelph no less. This I found fascinating, so I posted it on the Illusions forum, which consists of mainly Icke fans. Absolutely no one had the slightest bit of interest, despite posting several things about it. Now compare this to the thread on here about Christians and it is like an obsession with, coming on for 30 pages in a very short time.

Conclusion, Icke + fans have been subtly steered by the PTB into harmless activities at a time when the NWO is make or break time for the establishment.

[lottie]

David isn't just about 'conspiracy' as in the governments etc- it also relates to spirituality/energies and the reference to cleaning is a physical representation of whats going on inside- ie- energies- clearing them out letting way for new energies etc....i think its very clever actually!!

im not about to go clearing out my attic just because david is either....!!:rolleyes:

[baron von lotsov]

Yes I know. Indeed I used to hang around with some New Agers and immediately it rang a bell. You see they tend to be like some dumb network router that just sends the signals from one node to the next without any intelligent intervention or questioning, such that the original signal is faithfully preserved in it's entirety.

I used to hang around with a woman who was in touch with the main movers and shakers in the New Age prototype town called Glastonbury and the same thing was being echoed in my ears years ago, except that I was not a dumb network router and decided that notion was not worthy of passing on. So it was like a blast from the past and I expect a lot of things I observe now will be mainstream in years to come.

Personally I like to hang on to all of my possessions as they remind me of my life. I even have one of the very first digital alarm clocks produced in the 1970s as my alarm clock and things that I made out of wood when I was about 7 years old. I treasure them.

[thedame]

I agree with Lottie on this one. This week's newsletter did come across more like a blog, but then what David was saying was interesting in its own right. I'm not personally against some of his newsletters being more personal, and to say that he has 'lost interest in conspiracy' is jumping the gun a little I think. Does this mean, Baron, that the minute you start talking about films, or drugs or anything else that is not immediately relevant to conspiracy then you too have lost interest?

Can I also ask for a link regarding 'the guy who wrote the Beatles music'? I've never heard this before. As far as this type of cultural conspiracy, what is equally interesting is the idea that 'Shakespeare' was a made up character. Did the royal bloodlines pen his canon of plays as a sort of brainwashing? The 'fake Shakespeare' theory is a credible literary theory, by the way!

thedame

[thirdwave]

Well if you think he is, would you mind telling me what clearing out his attic has got to do with it?

Is this now more of a celeb thing where we are supposed to worship the guy in a way similar to how the gutter press prints trivia about celebs, like what they eat for lunch and if they have a new boy/girl friend rather than any critique of their actual 'talent'.

I'm not just getting at Icke here and to be honest my gripe has more to do with the audience and how it is being steered by what is commonly known as the PTB. Here is an example, the other day I found out that the man who wrote all the Beatles music, called Adorno, had a bloodline connection that is the most powerful royal bloodline of them all, a Guelph no less. This I found fascinating, so I posted it on the Illusions forum, which consists of mainly Icke fans. Absolutely no one had the slightest bit of interest, despite posting several things about it. Now compare this to the thread on here about Christians and it is like an obsession with, coming on for 30 pages in a very short time.

Conclusion, Icke + fans have been subtly steered by the PTB into harmless activities at a time when the NWO is make or break time for the establishment.


I don't think he thought we would all be interested to hear about what he has been clearing out and so on...so forth....

I think its more to do with him getting across a psychological thing he is going through.... some may be interested i guess, and should be free to be interested.

I don't a agree that illusions is mostly Icke supporters, I think most there think he is wrong or a dis info agent even, it sertainly is not an Icke fan club over there.... From my experience.

You could go to a David Icke forum... Tsarion... Maxwell.... A Watt... and many more forums that appose the NWO and any Christian thread will be pushed sky high as many many people now regard that religion as flawed and exposed, this is not just because of people like Icke.. as all they do is present information to people and allow them to come to their own conclusions and people are coming to the conclusion that christianity is not the real McCoy.

I'm not trying to offend Christians here, just stating what I believe, I'm judging the religion not the person.

Obviously if a die hard Christian See's people doubting their religion there is going to be disagreement. IMO Christianity was a manipulated belief from YEARS back that has been re staged edited and tampered with to control many many people and it is now becoming useless to them and they are moving onto other methods...

there is no point me arguing with a Christian about it as I have done it many many times and not once have I ever been presented with anything that has inspired me to change my view, other than someone else's faith.

so for me a thread started about who wrote the beatles music (all be it im interested to see if this is just tripe or true) has much less effect than a thread on a religion that has controlled our society for as long as we can remember and is apart of our everyday lives.

[sean]

There is more to life than the 3d world/conspiracy that we sometimes get consumed by. Some authors and researchers will just concentrate on 9/11 / the new world order / the reptilians / religion / climate change ...

I like the fact that David is asking more questions, looking into new areas. Evolution is ongoing.

[bicycle]

Tbh, I am getting a bit bored of this NWO stuff, all I kow is not to pay taxe's or vote unless you live in America then vote Ron Paul (desperate times calls for desperate measures)

Regarding the newsletter, I personaly thought they where a lot more substantial when it was free.

[baron von lotsov]

I agree with Lottie on this one. This week's newsletter did come across more like a blog, but then what David was saying was interesting in its own right. I'm not personally against some of his newsletters being more personal, and to say that he has 'lost interest in conspiracy' is jumping the gun a little I think. Does this mean, Baron, that the minute you start talking about films, or drugs or anything else that is not immediately relevant to conspiracy then you too have lost interest?

Can I also ask for a link regarding 'the guy who wrote the Beatles music'? I've never heard this before. As far as this type of cultural conspiracy, what is equally interesting is the idea that 'Shakespeare' was a made up character. Did the royal bloodlines pen his canon of plays as a sort of brainwashing? The 'fake Shakespeare' theory is a credible literary theory, by the way!

thedame

Sure it's jumping the gun the moment someone changes the subject to say they are no longer interested in the other thing. However I would have thought the newsletter would at least contain a nugget or two of fresh and original info. I tend to read Henry Makow quite a lot and since he spends a lot of time doing research nearly every article has something to bite on, as it were. One week he did one about loosing his dog though. That's fair enough, it gives it a human edge to it but I would like to see Icke get back on track a little bit more, personally.



Now regarding Adorno.

The first I heard about him was here.

http://www.schillerinstitute.org/fid_91-96/921_frankfurt.html

The bloodline bit was my own research and I found the information in Wikipedia. Go to the Adorno entry and you will see a reference to his family bloodline and then check through that. I do admit I had only just found out so I posted it in order to discuss it, but was quite sad that at least the Illusions forum has really gone down the pan in the intellectual department. This forum in my opinion has not gone down the gutter like that but its vigilance that keeps it on form and a bit of self-criticism from time to time. I mean once a forum heads to a position when it is just light entertainment it starts to attract those kinds of airheads and can reinforce its demise. Most forums do, the system brainwashing makes them do this.

[emtec]

I heard David lives in a 1 bedroom flat i think it was on here i read that. In In David Icke was he right his living room looks bloody big for a 1 bedroom flat. Now i hear hes clearing out his attic, well some flats have attics i surpose.

[baron von lotsov]

Yes I wondered that. There was a picture of him getting out of this huge mansion and people were wondering what all that was about until someone said it was actually a mansion converted into flats. You know the sort, but they don't exactly have their own attics because the flats are all on different floors and if the attic is being used it is often another flat. You know what developers are like.

[tinmenace]

Well if you think he is, would you mind telling me what clearing out his attic has got to do with it?

Is this now more of a celeb thing where we are supposed to worship the guy in a way similar to how the gutter press prints trivia about celebs, like what they eat for lunch and if they have a new boy/girl friend rather than any critique of their actual 'talent'.

I'm not just getting at Icke here and to be honest my gripe has more to do with the audience and how it is being steered by what is commonly known as the PTB. Here is an example, the other day I found out that the man who wrote all the Beatles music, called Adorno, had a bloodline connection that is the most powerful royal bloodline of them all, a Guelph no less. This I found fascinating, so I posted it on the Illusions forum, which consists of mainly Icke fans. Absolutely no one had the slightest bit of interest, despite posting several things about it. Now compare this to the thread on here about Christians and it is like an obsession with, coming on for 30 pages in a very short time.

Conclusion, Icke + fans have been subtly steered by the PTB into harmless activities at a time when the NWO is make or break time for the establishment.

Do you subscribe to his newsletter? Have you read his books? Watched his DVD's? If not, I suggest you do so and you'll KNOW all the answers to the questions you once had.

;)

[i_am]

I heard David lives in a 1 bedroom flat i think it was on here i read that. In In David Icke was he right his living room looks bloody big for a 1 bedroom flat. Now i hear hes clearing out his attic, well some flats have attics i surpose.

HE doesn't say anything about an attic. He says he is having a massive clearout. It was the baron who says he is clearing out his attic. Sheee!!
10-07-2007 09:57 PM
baron von lotsov Well if you think he is, would you mind telling me what clearing out his attic has got to do with it?

[tinmenace]

I heard David lives in a 1 bedroom flat i think it was on here i read that. In In David Icke was he right his living room looks bloody big for a 1 bedroom flat. Now i hear hes clearing out his attic, well some flats have attics i surpose.



That's half your problem. You're going by hearsay. Subscribe to David's newsletter here (http://www.davidicke.com/amember/signup.php), and get the information straight from the horse's mouth.

[thirdwave]

I heard David lives in a 1 bedroom flat i think it was on here i read that. In In David Icke was he right his living room looks bloody big for a 1 bedroom flat. Now i hear hes clearing out his attic, well some flats have attics i surpose.

Some people have also heard he lives in a mansion and we have even had some people say he owned that huge scape of land he was filmed looking at on the chanel 5 Doc.... I can %100 confirm that who ever told you he lives in a 1 bedroom flat was %100 correct....

[tinmenace]

Some people have also heard he lives in a mansion and we have even had some people say he owned that huge scape of land he was filmed looking at on the chanel 5 Doc.... I can %100 confirm that who ever told you he lives in a 1 bedroom flat was %100 correct....

Yes, I've seen the footage of his home, and it's humble by any standards.

[emtec]

That's half your problem. You're going by hearsay. Subscribe to David's newsletter here (http://www.davidicke.com/amember/signup.php), and get the information straight from the horse's mouth.

Whats the other half of my problem?

[emtec]

Do you subscribe to his newsletter? Have you read his books? Watched his DVD's? If not, I suggest you do so and you'll KNOW all the answers to the questions you once had.

;)

Yes ive done all of the above and no i dont have the answers to the questions i have. In fact i find it astonishing someone would claim Icke has all the answers when he has clearly stated he does not.

[thirdwave]

Yes I wondered that. There was a picture of him getting out of this huge mansion and people were wondering what all that was about until someone said it was actually a mansion converted into flats. You know the sort, but they don't exactly have their own attics because the flats are all on different floors and if the attic is being used it is often another flat. You know what developers are like.

lol

yes but the only one who has said anything about Attics is you! :)

not getting defencive here but come on.... he has not said anything about clearing out his attic and people are now questioning if he truely does live in a 1 bedroom flat because not all of them have attics... lol

[thirdwave]

Yes ive done all of the above and no i dont have the answers to the questions i have. In facts i find it astonishing someone would claim Icke has all the answers when he has clearly stated he does not.

ahhh I kind of get what she means.... I don't think she has said, he will tell you the answers.... just you will know.

I think David does not have all the answered and does not claim too, like you have pointed out correctly. but what he does is remind people of our questions.... as do more and more people nowerdays...

[i_am]

A lot of people actually enjoyed the last newsletter as they could identify with where David is at. I have been clearing clutter for about 15 years now. For me it has been a good thing. For me it was freeing. I am not the past, I am not things. I have memories but I don't need material things that just gather dust in a drawer, in an attic, under a bed or in the shed to remind me. We keep things because of sentiment or because maybe one day we will have a use for them. Ha!!

I have an uncluttered house and I like it that way. I have been where David is now and I understand. I don't need things. They are not who I am. I like good things and I like comfort but I don't need much to give me that. It is not New Age (but what if it is) it is just that one day you realise you don't need all this stuff. It is keeping you from moving on.

[emtec]

Bitch of life rule 458739839.12b

Throw something away that you have had for years and tomorrow for the first time ever you will need it.

[them]

I've been getting the Newsletter ever since it started. Some of you have mentioned a fee?? I've never paid a penny for it.. whats that all about?

[emtec]

Well that's just concluded your freebies each month.

[i_am]

Bitch of life rule 458739839.12b

Throw something away that you have had for years and tomorrow for the first time ever you will need it.

So?? Go get a new one that you can then throw away in your next clean up :D

But then that would be wasteful wouldn't it? Give it to someone less fortunate than you.

[baron von lotsov]

Tbh, I am getting a bit bored of this NWO stuff, all I kow is not to pay taxe's or vote unless you live in America then vote Ron Paul (desperate times calls for desperate measures)

Regarding the newsletter, I personaly thought they where a lot more substantial when it was free.


I think you might find it boring because you accept the basic premise and keep reading the same old stuff over and over again. I got to this point too, until I realised that I only knew the tip of the iceberg. Believe me, it gets far more interesting when you dig a lot deeper.

I'm on my own path now; I hardly bother with mainstream CT and the 9/11 stuff and look more into its history and, well really all the bits that others have left out. I find it good to be on the front line as well these days and spend quite a bit of time helping out with NO2ID on practical forms of resistance.

[i_am]

Well that's just concluded your freebies each month.

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[sean]

I've been getting the Newsletter ever since it started. Some of you have mentioned a fee?? I've never paid a penny for it.. whats that all about?

You have probably been receiving the updates, and not the full newsletter. The full newsletter is sent out on a Sunday, and can be viewed on the main website if you are logged in as a premier subscriber.

[thirdwave]

it gets far more interesting when you dig a lot deeper.



where do you do your digging if you dont mind me asking?

[them]

You have probably been receiving the updates, and not the full newsletter. The full newsletter is sent out on a Sunday, and can be viewed on the main website if you are logged in as a premier subscriber.

That would seem to be it. Can you make it stop please?

[peter19]

i think this shows that david is just like everyone else in the sense of people dont want to talk about the same things forever. people grow and want to learn about new things. it makes perfect sense with david too with him looseing hes mam, if hes going to look into obe and ndes abit more whith what iv heard hes going to talk about in hes new book.

imagine you were him, if i was him there would be a point were iv looked down one path now lets look down another. i dont want to spend all my life looking at conspiracys and theres more important things like what happens when we die ect. if some how you find out we live after our bodys die and you find away to prove that then, then i reckon you are makeing massive waves.

its good to look at the shit what goes on in the world and not decive yourself of it, but also dont decive yourself of the good things in the world and what its about.

[bigus_dickus]

You could go to a David Icke forum... Tsarion... Maxwell.... A Watt... and many more forums that appose the NWO and any Christian thread will be pushed sky high as many many people now regard that religion as flawed and exposed, this is not just because of people like Icke.. as all they do is present information to people and allow them to come to their own conclusions and people are coming to the conclusion that christianity is not the real McCoy.

I'm not trying to offend Christians here, just stating what I believe, I'm judging the religion not the person.

i happened to watch jordan maxwell's "inner worlf of the occult" last night.. well.. everything that i have speculated about him in other posts is precisely on point!

among other bullshit he said:

- he was brought up to be catholic from catholic parents (it figures!)

- he left his home and religion at the age of 18 and went to live on his own and (as he says) started thinking for himself. (that's a really bad thing if your name is jordan maxwell, pun intended, well j/k actually)

- he started studying the occult, astrology, magic, esoteric mysticism and all of those goodies that are against the catholic church and been into the occult (his own words) for 40 years

- his intention is to promote astrology (his own words) and 'prove' that the christian bible is about astrology and occult. (roflcopter for this one)

- he is talking full of hatred during his entire speech about all the institutions and systems and against almost the entire population of earth (well, except himself and the rest of new agers and occultists of course)

- he is preaching about a "new age", "golden age" that is about to come, talking about saturn as the "dark sun" and the "message" it brings at the end of "pisces" and the transformation of consciousness that its effect is (towards doom and hatred i suppose)

- he doesn't understand a single greek word and 90% of the wordplay he does and the assumptions he makes is false, to the point of being utterly ridiculous (i can write a whole book on his nonsense.. it wouldn't be worth the effort, trust me)

- he talks about god and spirit and never talks about love. i repeat, he never mentions the word LOVE

- he talks about David Icke.. says that he is the one that brought him to the US (which he says he regrets), that he doesn't like him at all and that he is not going to ever speak to him again (great demonstration of spirituality there jordie)

- he says that he is the one who brought so much info to the Hollywood picture, that resulted to films like the matrix (WTF?!) and others. you have to see it to believe it, say no more

- oh no, say more. he even complains that he never got a single penny from them and that they should pay him lots of money for helping them with their films (whaaaacha say niggaaa?)

- he has a somewhat correct opinion about the new testament, which he later ruins saying that the NT is redemption from the OT (lolzers!) and the introduction of the only true religion which is (breathe..) astrology!

- the order that he presents the symbolism and the masons and their meanings (as tsarion does too), is utterly manipulative and false.

- he talks about other researchers and 'scholars' (my ass, they never read anything but occult books), saying that he taught them many of what they know! he mentions richard hoagland among others.. (yeah right.. "look at me people, i am the best")

- he makes a false conclusion, utterly false that i can 'debunk' in seconds with trustworthy material that you can't disregard and then he says "if you don't believe it, do your homework" (ok j my man, i've done my homework before listening to you, those guys you are talking too don't like books that much that's why they come to listen to your crap. homework.. yes, of course: "by my books, people!")

- ALL of the assumptions he makes in order to connect christianity with astrology, are phrases taken out of context, paralleled with other phrases that he's taken out of context, giving a mixture of terrible lies in a convincing way (i've seen lots of his kind of 'teaching' to know how to observe this, all you have to do is "your homework", but not your "homework" on his books)

- all his lecture is about (as he says repeatedly in it), is to make people start believing in astrology, magic, occult rituals and everything that is considered anti-christian. why? because he says that christians are against them and that they are the only truth

need i go on? for how long?

ok, don't believe me, if you don't like what you just read. let me ask you one thing: do you believe that i am evil, dishonest, trying to mislead you away from the truth? (no need to answer that, no need to reply to my post, keep it in mind if you want.. i love jordan maxwell, he is not bad, he is just being mislead.. watch out for those who talk about 'light' instead of 'love')

sorry if i upset anyone..

no fuck that, i am not sorry, i am being honest.

[john white]

Well if you think he is, would you mind telling me what clearing out his attic has got to do with it?

Is this now more of a celeb thing where we are supposed to worship the guy in a way similar to how the gutter press prints trivia about celebs, like what they eat for lunch and if they have a new boy/girl friend rather than any critique of their actual 'talent'.

I'm not just getting at Icke here and to be honest my gripe has more to do with the audience and how it is being steered by what is commonly known as the PTB. Here is an example, the other day I found out that the man who wrote all the Beatles music, called Adorno, had a bloodline connection that is the most powerful royal bloodline of them all, a Guelph no less. This I found fascinating, so I posted it on the Illusions forum, which consists of mainly Icke fans. Absolutely no one had the slightest bit of interest, despite posting several things about it. Now compare this to the thread on here about Christians and it is like an obsession with, coming on for 30 pages in a very short time.

Conclusion, Icke + fans have been subtly steered by the PTB into harmless activities at a time when the NWO is make or break time for the establishment.

What a laugh this thread is: from the Baron's chinese whispering about attics that were never there, to the whole massive assumption misunderstadning that Icke's work was ever about conspiracy in the first place

It is NOT

Icke's work is about Human Transformation, and moving towards the true understanding and fulfillment of our potential

Understanding conspiracy has only ever been a small facet of that: a nessacary facet, but only in the greater comprehension of the whole

[bicycle]

I think you might find it boring because you accept the basic premise and keep reading the same old stuff over and over again. I got to this point too, until I realised that I only knew the tip of the iceberg. Believe me, it gets far more interesting when you dig a lot deeper.

.

Sounds like what Icke is doing.

[baron von lotsov]

where do you do your digging if you dont mind me asking?


Everywhere I can think of from the Internet, friends, overhearing conversations in the street, what the government does, books, logic, reasoning you name it, I'm a nosy bugger!

[baron von lotsov]

Sounds like what Icke is doing.


No I don't think he has discovered much that is original for a very long time. He has certainly inspired people to look for themselves but he can't just live off TV interviews and popular celeb stuff, he must keep the goods compatible with his reputation.

I suggest he gives the New Age thing a break and get down to some proper research of his own like I'm doing. I mean I research stuff and I'm not a world famous researcher, far from it but I have progressed way beyond what he tends to come out with these days. E.G. the PNAC and things like that are hardly a secret, are they?

[phoebe]

What a laugh this thread is: from the Baron's chinese whispering about attics that were never there, to the whole massive assumption misunderstadning that Icke's work was ever about conspiracy in the first place

It is NOT

Icke's work is about Human Transformation, and moving towards the true understanding and fulfillment of our potential

Understanding conspiracy has only ever been a small facet of that: a nessacary facet, but only in the greater comprehension of the whole

I agree.
A little less of the conspiracy and more of the solutions/potential side of things would be marvellous for his next book imo.

[mitch_lane]

John White wrote:

What a laugh this thread is: from the Baron's chinese whispering about attics that were never there, to the whole massive assumption misunderstadning that Icke's work was ever about conspiracy in the first place

It is NOT

Icke's work is about Human Transformation, and moving towards the true understanding and fulfillment of our potential

Understanding conspiracy has only ever been a small facet of that: a nessacary facet, but only in the greater comprehension of the whole

Nail On The Head.

The big difference between Icke and the majority of other researchers who have written on conspiracy issues has been his inclusion of the Spiritual dimension and it has always- always, day one- been the motive force behind his writings and talks. The conspiracy should be recognised but only so that we can realise that the world we live in is not how we think- perceive- it to be and then we can start looking at the solution rather than the problem ( we have to be aware of the problem , however, or we might never realise that we have the solution).
And for those who think that Icke only highlights negativity, he has offered up this solution from very early on.

[dondaz]

I would like to see Icke get back on track a little bit more, personally.

Back on track in line with your way of thinking eh baron.

Exactly what are you doing to fight the NWO baron?

Why don't you start your own Icke bashing forum instead of trying to stagnate this one.

[seanx]

John White wrote:


Quote:
What a laugh this thread is: from the Baron's chinese whispering about attics that were never there, to the whole massive assumption misunderstadning that Icke's work was ever about conspiracy in the first place

It is NOT

Icke's work is about Human Transformation, and moving towards the true understanding and fulfillment of our potential

Understanding conspiracy has only ever been a small facet of that: a nessacary facet, but only in the greater comprehension of the whole

Nail On The Head.

The big difference between Icke and the majority of other researchers who have written on conspiracy issues has been his inclusion of the Spiritual dimension and it has always- always, day one- been the motive force behind his writings and talks. The conspiracy should be recognised but only so that we can realise that the world we live in is not how we think- perceive- it to be and then we can start looking at the solution rather than the problem ( we have to be aware of the problem , however, or we might never realise that we have the solution).
And for those who think that Icke only highlights negativity, he has offered up this solution from very early on.

What mitch_lane and John White write is dead-on.

And anyone who has ever read Dave icke would know that is
the truth.

It just proves whAt has been said on another thread.

Both the Baron - and this other blow-on from another forum - Emtex,
or whatever he calls himself have NEVER read ANY of Dave icke Books.

So it's really pointless engaging in debates with them.

Listen to the baron when he boasts that over 30 pages of posts
on his christianity thread.

However, he neglects to tell us that 80% of those posts are rantings
from himself and his fellow Christians puritans.

As H.L.Mackein once described a Puritian....'a person haunted by the
terrible fear that somebody, somewhere might be having a good time'.

My own opinion - is people should ignore these threads. They are
dead-ends, meaningless energy-sapping diversions.

if these people genuinely wanted to debate with an open mind- that
would be a different thing - but it is clearly not the case.

[mk72]

No I don't think he has discovered much that is original for a very long time. He has certainly inspired people to look for themselves but he can't just live off TV interviews and popular celeb stuff, he must keep the goods compatible with his reputation.

I suggest he gives the New Age thing a break and get down to some proper research of his own like I'm doing. I mean I research stuff and I'm not a world famous researcher, far from it but I have progressed way beyond what he tends to come out with these days. E.G. the PNAC and things like that are hardly a secret, are they?

1. Get it through your thick skull - nobody on this forum worships David Icke !!
2. Do everybody on this forum a HUGE favour and read one of David's books! (anyone - I don't give a shit)
3. When you were running around with the "new agers" ten years ago, I read one of his books, did anybody wrote a book that summed up the illusion ten years ago? Most conpiracy theorist, even the good ones, do not go into this to such an extent or they only cover one conspiracy at a time.
4. He has contribute A LOT to this waking up process in the last 15 years give him the credit and respect for being spat on, thrown with eggs, and laughed at!

[thirdwave]

i happened to watch jordan maxwell's "inner worlf of the occult" last night.. well.. everything that i have speculated about him in other posts is precisely on point!

among other bullshit he said:

- he was brought up to be catholic from catholic parents (it figures!)

- he left his home and religion at the age of 18 and went to live on his own and (as he says) started thinking for himself. (that's a really bad thing if your name is jordan maxwell, pun intended, well j/k actually)

- he started studying the occult, astrology, magic, esoteric mysticism and all of those goodies that are against the catholic church and been into the occult (his own words) for 40 years

- his intention is to promote astrology (his own words) and 'prove' that the christian bible is about astrology and occult. (roflcopter for this one)

- he is talking full of hatred during his entire speech about all the institutions and systems and against almost the entire population of earth (well, except himself and the rest of new agers and occultists of course)

- he is preaching about a "new age", "golden age" that is about to come, talking about saturn as the "dark sun" and the "message" it brings at the end of "pisces" and the transformation of consciousness that its effect is (towards doom and hatred i suppose)

- he doesn't understand a single greek word and 90% of the wordplay he does and the assumptions he makes is false, to the point of being utterly ridiculous (i can write a whole book on his nonsense.. it wouldn't be worth the effort, trust me)

- he talks about god and spirit and never talks about love. i repeat, he never mentions the word LOVE

- he talks about David Icke.. says that he is the one that brought him to the US (which he says he regrets), that he doesn't like him at all and that he is not going to ever speak to him again (great demonstration of spirituality there jordie)

- he says that he is the one who brought so much info to the Hollywood picture, that resulted to films like the matrix (WTF?!) and others. you have to see it to believe it, say no more

- oh no, say more. he even complains that he never got a single penny from them and that they should pay him lots of money for helping them with their films (whaaaacha say niggaaa?)

- he has a somewhat correct opinion about the new testament, which he later ruins saying that the NT is redemption from the OT (lolzers!) and the introduction of the only true religion which is (breathe..) astrology!

- the order that he presents the symbolism and the masons and their meanings (as tsarion does too), is utterly manipulative and false.

- he talks about other researchers and 'scholars' (my ass, they never read anything but occult books), saying that he taught them many of what they know! he mentions richard hoagland among others.. (yeah right.. "look at me people, i am the best")

- he makes a false conclusion, utterly false that i can 'debunk' in seconds with trustworthy material that you can't disregard and then he says "if you don't believe it, do your homework" (ok j my man, i've done my homework before listening to you, those guys you are talking too don't like books that much that's why they come to listen to your crap. homework.. yes, of course: "by my books, people!")

- ALL of the assumptions he makes in order to connect christianity with astrology, are phrases taken out of context, paralleled with other phrases that he's taken out of context, giving a mixture of terrible lies in a convincing way (i've seen lots of his kind of 'teaching' to know how to observe this, all you have to do is "your homework", but not your "homework" on his books)

- all his lecture is about (as he says repeatedly in it), is to make people start believing in astrology, magic, occult rituals and everything that is considered anti-christian. why? because he says that christians are against them and that they are the only truth

need i go on? for how long?

ok, don't believe me, if you don't like what you just read. let me ask you one thing: do you believe that i am evil, dishonest, trying to mislead you away from the truth? (no need to answer that, no need to reply to my post, keep it in mind if you want.. i love jordan maxwell, he is not bad, he is just being mislead.. watch out for those who talk about 'light' instead of 'love')

sorry if i upset anyone..

no fuck that, i am not sorry, i am being honest.

TBA I have never really read much of his info... what I have heard he has some very interestings things to say.... allthough I felt he was a bit to hung of on the USA thing, when I feel it goes way deeper than any country....

I dont really know an awful lot about him...

[john white]

Looks like you've found yourself some homework then Thirdwave

[thirdwave]

Everywhere I can think of from the Internet, friends, overhearing conversations in the street, what the government does, books, logic, reasoning you name it, I'm a nosy bugger!


that the best way to dig... but I'm sure that's exactly what David Icke has done to get his info..... I guess we can all dig deep but tunnel into different directions... I don't really see any limiting within what David pushes out.... he simply provides info that changes the picture of how most people view the world due to be tricked all the time... this is why I don't get it when "open minded" people feel people need to knock him and dismiss him... even if you feel you have learnt more then him...surly his efforts are still great. a women who used to work near me... she was getting all into spirituality and I got into a chat with her about it... she lost her job and the next thing I know my boss asked me to text her my number as she had something to talk to me about.... I did and I found out she had taken my advice and read an Icke book... and she is now totally awake and is texting me all the time telling me about new books by people I should check out... which is all good

[baron von lotsov]

that the best way to dig... but I'm sure that's exactly what David Icke has done to get his info..... I guess we can all dig deep but tunnel into different directions... I don't really see any limiting within what David pushes out.... he simply provides info that changes the picture of how most people view the world due to be tricked all the time... this is why I don't get it when "open minded" people feel people need to knock him and dismiss him... even if you feel you have learnt more then him...surly his efforts are still great. a women who used to work near me... she was getting all into spirituality and I got into a chat with her about it... she lost her job and the next thing I know my boss asked me to text her my number as she had something to talk to me about.... I did and I found out she had taken my advice and read an Icke book... and she is now totally awake and is texting me all the time telling me about new books by people I should check out... which is all good

Well I would not personally recommend a David Icke book at this present time to someone. It's tricky for me to think of a book I would recommend though because it depends on the person's intelligence and knowledge. If it were someone with a large amount of general knowledge, interest in political systems and so on like say someone who works at a university teaching politics I'd recommend Dr John Coleman and be satisfied that they would be educated accurately. Another might be Carroll Quigely but for someone who only has a casual interest in these matters I'd find it a far more difficult problem.

Sometimes I say something that is relevant to them and provide them with a reference and say, "you check it out". That works quite well but Icke in my opinion would be a bit of a dangerous thing to do. You see I know some of what he says is wrong or biased and my own path was one of firstly being made aware of the key issues by reading Icke and then getting trapped by the bullshit and believing a load of stuff that was wrong. I had the misfortune of having some of this picked out of me by intelligent people who knew it was wrong and so using Icke was highly counterproductive.

The things I think Icke is counterproductive with are first and foremost his acceptance of the New Age, this is by far the most dangerous in my opinion and if someone started to practice the occult through a recommendation of mine I'd never live it down. The second thing is all of that Alien/UFO stuff since this is purely cult material. Third is his Bush bashing and saying he is right wing and all of that since the NWO is coming from the diametrical opposite direction, namely Socialism. I have seen Icke post stuff for example from the American Civil liberties Union and that is pretty much a Tavistock subsidiary. So you see there are problems. And Icke has both made me aware and held me back at the same time and my personal progress was as soon as I realised some of the Icke stuff I had foolishly taken on trust was wrong so I had to go back and check everything once again.

The reason I think I'm right now is not because I'm an egomaniac or anything but simply my theories fit perfectly with what is going on in this world. There is very little that happens where I cannot understand it in terms of being compatible with the NWO plans. Let me give you an example, recently a leaked government email showed that their plan was to turn everyone vegetarian using the excuse of global warming. My former research had already concluded that this was part of the plan so to see reality map directly on to it was quite a reassurance. However Icke might not have said these things because a lot of his readers are vegetarian.

[barbitone]

Your hilarious Baron.:D

[i_am]

Well I would not personally recommend a David Icke book at this present time to someone. It's tricky for me to think of a book I would recommend though because it depends on the person's intelligence and knowledge. If it were someone with a large amount of general knowledge, interest in political systems and so on like say someone who works at a university teaching politics I'd recommend Dr John Coleman and be satisfied that they would be educated accurately. Another might be Carroll Quigely but for someone who only has a casual interest in these matters I'd find it a far more difficult problem.

Sometimes I say something that is relevant to them and provide them with a reference and say, "you check it out". That works quite well but Icke in my opinion would be a bit of a dangerous thing to do. You see I know some of what he says is wrong or biased (1)and my own path was one of firstly being made aware of the key issues by reading Icke and then getting trapped by the bullshit and believing a load of stuff that was wrong. I had the misfortune of having some of this picked out of me by intelligent people who knew it was wrong and so using Icke was highly counterproductive.

The things I think Icke is counterproductive with are first and foremost his acceptance of the New Age, this is by far the most dangerous (2)in my opinion and if someone started to practice the occult through a recommendation of mine I'd never live it down. (3)The second thing is all of that Alien/UFO stuff since this is purely cult material. Third is his Bush bashing and saying he is right wing and all of that since the NWO is coming from the diametrical opposite direction, namely Socialism. I have seen Icke post stuff for example from the American Civil liberties Union and that is pretty much a Tavistock subsidiary. So you see there are problems. And Icke has both made me aware and held me back at the same time and my personal progress was as soon as I realised some of the Icke stuff I had foolishly taken on trust was wrong so I had to go back and check everything once again.

The reason I think I'm right now is not because I'm an egomaniac or anything but simply my theories fit perfectly with what is going on in this world. There is very little that happens where I cannot understand it in terms of being compatible with the NWO plans. Let me give you an example, recently a leaked government email showed that their plan was to turn everyone vegetarian using the excuse of global warming. My former research had already concluded that this was part of the plan so to see reality map directly on to it was quite a reassurance. However Icke might not have said these things because a lot of his readers are vegetarian.

(1) How gullible are you then? If you read what the majority here say, they take what resonates with THEM and file or totally discard the rest

(2) and that is exactly what you are giving YOUR OPINION. You may well be right but then again you could very well be wrong.

(3) Tell that to all of the people who have seen them!! Oh! but then if you haven't seen them then it can't be right. Right?

[baron von lotsov]

Ah so I put forward my honest experiences and considered opinion and I get a cult like dismissive response. I think you two just strengthen my case. No attempt at discussion, just the kind of response that says this info is not compatible with my brainwashing. Now if you want an intelligent debate I'm up for one but I will not play your kind of games.

[barbitone]

The things I think Icke is counterproductive with are first and foremost his acceptance of the New Age, this is by far the most dangerous in my opinion

This sentence doesn't deserve to be dignified by a reply.

[f3zza]

I read Barons post on the other site, and i always read Barons posts as they have quite a bit of useful information within them. I don't agree with everything he says just like i don't with Icke, but both do raise some interesting topics. My reason for not responding is because Baron is quite unpredictable in the sense he can take offense at the slightest criticism and fly off the handle if others do not believe as he does or question what he has written. Hence the "cult response" comment above.
He tends to enter a debate blinkered by his own beliefs and can be quite the oppressor of opinions differing from his own.

I would like to be able to put this forward so Baron does not take offense, but in my experience he always does regardless of what is posted or the intent behind it.

I don't think it has anything to do with the content of your posts Baron, but more so to do with the poster. Hence there being quite a few posts by you saying no one has responded to what you feel is important information.

Oh and your post regarding The Beatles was great work and an interesting read, but due to you biting my head off on numerous occassions i just don't bother replying to them anymore.

I know I know, i have just set myself up for another barrage...talk about creating your own reality!

[baron von lotsov]

The reason I get annoyed is because of the imbecile responses I get from people who claim to be 'awake' and in actual fact are some of the most ignorant and brainwashed people around. It's my way of breaking through the brainwashing and nothing more than that except maybe a bit of weariness at the thickness of so many. There are many system trolls and others who are a lot more sly and there is a lot of exposing I do of these people so that's another reason.

Anyway back to the subject. I was saying that I have gone further than Icke and to show how my understanding snaps into place I'll give you another example that I just stumbled across about five minutes ago. You might be aware of my position on vegetarianism and veganism and you might also be aware of what I have exposed about the Beatles and Paul Mc Cartney. Some of it is old news and some of it I have done my own research in, such as organic food, so here we are, like clockwork the system stooges are bashing out the agenda yet again.

http://illusionsforum.jconserv.net/viewtopic.php?t=3959&sid=6b0b91bc6d57ddfbec66ad294e1d58a6

[mitch_lane]

Baron von Lotsov wrote:

...The things I think Icke is counterproductive with are first and foremost his acceptance of the New Age, this is by far the most dangerous in my opinion and if someone started to practice the occult through a recommendation of mine I'd never live it down. The second thing is all of that Alien/UFO stuff since this is purely cult material....

At the risk of being accused by you of being a mindless defender of Icke I have to ask, have you read anything that Icke has written? You seem to say you have but have you actually?

if so, do you not recall this: "...it sounds great unless you do the research and see how the New Age movement is being manipulated too." : "...and the truth shall set you free" pp 388.

or this: "At the same New Age exhibition I found two other Alice Bailey-inspired organisations, the Lucis Trust, formerly the Lucifer Trust, and the offshoot organisation, World Goodwill. The latter was founded by Alice Bailey in 1932 in the run up to the Second World War which led to the creation of the United Nations. World Goodwill is now little more than a New Age promoter of the United Nations from its centres in Whitehall Court, London, Geneva and New York...." : "...and the truth shall set you free" pp 390 ( and if you have read any Icke you will know that he views the U.N as a stalking horse for the NWO).

or this: Paragraph Entitled, New Age- Or The Old Age Revisited? "The inflexibility of thought that I am addressing here can be found in all areas of 'alternative' thinking and lifestyles, including that which is known as the New Age. Significant parts of the New Age are, I believe, becoming little more than another religion that believes in reincarnation and it is seeking to impose its gathering dogma on others..." : "...and the truth shall set you free" pp 420.

or this: "...One mindset that has swept the New Age is the idea that some "Ashtar Command" is going to send down spaceships to take off the chosen few. Maybe it's just me but that sounds remarkably like a cop-out and another version of the theme of ages- the messiah coming to save the good guys and good gals. All this can do- and does- is to create another form of dependency, another rigid belief system, when surely the transformation of humanity is about triggering everyone's potential to be whatever they wish to be..." : "...and the truth shall set you free" pp 421 ( he goes on to mention Operation Bluebeam in that paragraph too but I'll leave that for now).

Baron, Icke does have good things too to say about the New age movement and I have only shown some of his reservations to directly address your point of his "acceptance" of it. His words are hardly a glowing testimonial for the movement, are they?

As for the Alien/UFO stuff being cult material, may I suggest that ( if you don't already) you limit your holidays to places where you don't need to fly to- chances are your pilot has seen some strange, unexplainable object in the sky( definition of a UFO)- and you wouldn't want to be transported somewhere with a cultist at the controls, would you?

[baron von lotsov]

Yes I have read enough of what Icke says to know he did condemn the New Age in earlier works. Actually I'm quite impressed with the accuracy and depth of a lot of it. However this is the complete opposite to what I'm seeing now. All that oneness crap is a central concept and so is the Illusion business. We have had this argument many times but my point here is that if I said to someone, read a certain earlier book the chances are they would start to believe the later New Age stuff, which seems to be now dominating what Ice's output is currently.

I'm saying this in the hope that one day Icke will see sense in getting right back on track but admitting mistakes is a difficult thing to do in his position. He is digging a hole for himself and the sooner he takes a proper fix on his position the sooner he will be able to readjust his course. He might loose many fans, this is what the system trap is but he will regain a lot of credibility.

[barbitone]

It's very simple Baron, just tell us one thing then: What is reality?

[john white]

Yes I have read enough of what Icke says to know he did condemn the New Age in earlier works. Actually I'm quite impressed with the accuracy and depth of a lot of it. However this is the complete opposite to what I'm seeing now. All that oneness crap is a central concept

No. All that duality crap is the central concept of the Brotherhood manipulation and control: The "New Age" oneness is another fake oneness, becuase it is actually positive imbalance disguised as harmony: therefore, yet more duality crap. What you havnt grasped Baron is that you can't expose the prison warders whilst thinking prison warder thoughts

But God is the harmony and the balance of all things: Believe it! And the perspective of God is the perspective of the infinite centre

"I am the Alpha AND the Omega and ALL things between"

and so is the Illusion business.

Baron, if you want to argue that matter is not a feild of energy with a particular vibrational frequency, go right ahead

You havn't, becuase you know the science doesnt support that: but you cling to the notion that solid = "real" all the same, when "solid" is absolutely simply an electrical stimulus

We have had this argument many times but my point here is that if I said to someone, read a certain earlier book the chances are they would start to believe the later New Age stuff, which seems to be now dominating what Ice's output is currently.

Current output?

LOL!

Truth Vibrations! Truth Vibrations! (bashes head against wall)

I'm saying this in the hope that one day Icke will see sense in getting right back on track but admitting mistakes is a difficult thing to do in his position.

Not the only position thats a tadge sticky from, huh Baron?

He is digging a hole for himself and the sooner he takes a proper fix on his position the sooner he will be able to readjust his course.

And what course would that be then Baron?

Misoginistic homophobia like Henry Makow?

He might loose many fans, this is what the system trap is but he will regain a lot of credibility.

You mean you would approve of him for doing what you want him to?

[mitch_lane]

Baron von Lotsov wrote:

...We have had this argument many times but my point here is that if I said to someone, read a certain earlier book the chances are they would start to believe the later New Age stuff, which seems to be now dominating what Ice's output is currently.

Even if this were true, about the latter new age stuff (it's not) don't you think that you are being a tad elitist?. After all you apparently have read Icke's earlier works without succumbing to what you suggest is dominating his later work.

And this arguement has been had before but I will point out to you again that what Icke is saying now is what he has said right from the beginning. Some details may have changed and he is now able to use science to back up much of what he says but the theme is as ever it was.

...All that oneness crap is a central concept and so is the Illusion business

Took some magic mushrooms a while ago- one time event, not a previous drug user and the law soon closed the loophole on the selling of magic mushrooms here but I can tell you from that experience that the world is very much an Illusion- colours became brighter, neon bright in some cases, and I had a very curious experience of seeing my brothers every movement as sort of Matrix type bullet time photography. Won't bore you with other details and I know that it was my own senses producing the effect but that's the point, they were as real as anything else that I have experienced in "normal" time. So this showed me that the world that I view through my eyes is very much a construct of my brain and is illusory- it can change dramatically simply by the ingestion of psychoactive substances.
On a scientific level the present thinking shows the world to be an illusion- it appears solid however at a sub atomic level is anything but, in fact the whole universe seems to exist as nothing but a set of probability waves waiting for an observer to coalesce them into being.
And as for all this oneness business being crap... isn't it our divisions that are causing misery?

[thirdwave]

All that oneness crap is a central concept and so is the Illusion business.


But pretty much every religion out there speaks of this "oneness" ... among other contradictory stuff... but its in there...including Christianity.

[seanx]

The bARON wrote;

Yes I have read enough of what Icke says to know he did condemn the New Age in earlier works

In his last book, just published last year, 'Infinite love
- he tears the whole New Age nonsense to sheds.

Most of the new New Age stuff is pure commercial nonsense - or
plain disinformation.

However - can I venture the real reason why the Baron won't
reccommend any more of Mr. Icke's books - in these same books
he ALSO tears to living sheds the whole illsion and nonsense of his
right-wing fundamentalist Christiantity.

The baron and hos mates are struck at the 5-sense level of the
conspiracy.

Which is a fine place to be. In fact, it is essential that this level
of the conspiracy is researched and revealed.

But david icke is simply going further- he is going to
the SOURCE.

To the energy or frequency - the living FEAR -that runs and nourishes
the 'conspiracy'.

I know it's hard to accept if you come from a rigid christain or
materialistic conditioning...but the 5 sense conspiracy is only a
physical outpicturing of all our inner energies, torments and
fears.

The illuminati are us....not as we pretend to be ....but as we really
think and feel in our hearts.

They are our most secret desires and terrifying fears
personified.

You could wipe out the top 100 illuminati figures tomorrow ....and in
a few years, the illuminati would be back in charge again.

That's why dave icke says...we should have a good laugh.

It's hilarious. ( Tales of the Time loop)

wE ARE free when we realize - not just read - but really
internalize this simple truth: your reality...
moment-by-moment- is simply your deepest feelings/beliefs in
form.

Change them -and your reality changes!

It's not easy. A lot of times, almost impossible with the hard
evidence (the frozen product of centuries of old beliefs) screaming
at you that it can't be done

We have been 100% conditioned against such thinking.

99% of the population will laugh at it - and think it is nonsense -
but it is the future.

And people on forums like this are the pinoneers - who have
'come here' to 'anchor' this new, expansive and exciting thinking.

[scott dean]

Icke's work is about Human Transformation, and moving towards the true understanding and fulfillment of our potential

Understanding conspiracy has only ever been a small facet of that: a nessacary facet, but only in the greater comprehension of the whole


As much as I agree with your first comments, I completely disagree with the second. To call David's output over the last 10 years conspiracy "light" is pure revisionism.

I'm one of those who left conspiracy research behind me a very long time ago (directly after 9/11), and to some degree David's work (though I have read all of his books). I realised that my time was best served elsewhere if I wanted the answers I was looking for, because they are definitely not to be found under the rubble of a concrete tower.

Regarding Baron's original question... Yes, it seems that David is moving on from conspiracy, and that's something to be happy for.

[john white]

As much as I agree with your first comments, I completely disagree with the second. To call David's output over the last 10 years conspiracy "light" is pure revisionism.

I see where your coming from.. and I'd say its a matter of vantage point

Fellow members like Mitch and Sean X understood what I meant becuase we have all been familiar with Icke for a long time: my own association with him goes back to before he'd ever said the word "brotherhood" let alone "illuminati" or "New world Order"

I'm not talking about raw word count, but about the meaning of the message

It only takes a few words to define great spiritual truths, but vastly more words to detail the sordid toxicity that human ego's are capable of: so icke's word count has always struggled with an imbalance regarding the import of what is being communicated: there are so many words required to make a proof postive for five sense messing about: that doesnt mean Icke's work is about five sense messing about: its always been a nessacary stage to create a circumstance for greater communication, but thast does not mean that preperation is the purpose of the communication

Tragically, one disadvantage of Icke's approach is that so few actually make it to the back section of his books where the real message is contained

[seanx]

John White wrote:

Tragically, one disadvantage of Icke's approach is that so few actually make it to the back section of his books where the real message is contained

That is very true.

You could make a valid criticism that a lot of people won't get to read
the end sections of his books because they will be too depressed
and despondent by the time they come to them.

But his core idea is that we should not become too depressed by
the reality we see all around us.

Yes, it is 'bad' and seeming 'pointless' - yet go deeper - and it
is simply SHOWING us whAt our true and deepest belief and
feeling patterns are.

It's an incredible 'feedback mechanism'.

We're living in a 'virtual reality'
where the tools of our creation are our beliefs and feelings.

And when we understand that - reality loses it's insidious power over
us - and we see it in it's proper context.

Something that is not too serious - something, in fact we created as
a game.

But we have totally, totally forgotten this - and now it is a nightmare
for most of us.

Edward Munich's 'The Scream' is the perfect outpicturing of the
person who is caught in this 'virtual reality' thinking it is absolutely
real - and there is NOTHING else.

But Icke core message is that there is something else and our reality is
what we want to make it.

That doesn't mean it is easy- we have centuries of conditioning
and false conclusions anchored in every cell of our bodies screaming otherwise ...but a start is being made.

The spell is being broken.

[dondaz]

My reason for not responding is because Baron is quite unpredictable in the sense he can take offense at the slightest criticism and fly off the handle if others do not believe as he does or question what he has written. Hence the "cult response" comment above.


He he he. I wonder why he hasn't answered any of my posts to him? Not once and I am hardly the philosopher he likes to think he is?

I would have thought he could talk me under the table with the simple questions I ask?

I'm too dumbed down for you to answers my questions isn't this so baron?

Poor me!

I wonder how long it will take before I reach a level where he will engage my questions.

Hail to the baron http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u39/dazp5/Worship.gif

[i_am]

Ah so I put forward my honest experiences and considered opinion and I get a cult like dismissive response. I think you two just strengthen my case. No attempt at discussion, just the kind of response that says this info is not compatible with my brainwashing. Now if you want an intelligent debate I'm up for one but I will not play your kind of games.

Baron we all read, extract information, collate it, sift it and take from it what resonates. Just because we come up with a different evaluation does not mean that we are imbeciles or cultists, it just means we are different.

You say you are right about many things and Icke is wrong. You may well be right but keep digging, you may go full circle. I know I am learning new things every day and I would never dare to say that I have all of the answers. Hell I don’t yet know all the questions and I bet I have been asking them a lot longer than you.

I appreciate the fact that you are very serious about all of this but you see some of us, while taking it seriously, still have time to laugh, to love, to stop and smell the coffee (you know, all that fluffy New Agey stuff). I actually like the direction David has taken. I already knew most of the conspiracy stuff he wrote about but I wished he would head in a more spiritual direction. He has done that and I, for one, applaud him. He is on his own journey and is evolving exponentially.

I am not a follower of anyone or any thing but my own gut feeling. I am a cult of one and I believe in whatever works for me/you. I am interested in others points of view but I do not have the need to make everyone see mine. I am responsible for my evolution and if I can help someone along the way....great. I have learned compassion and I have learned how to feel at peace in this mad world in which we live. Whilst being aware, I do not fear. I will resist with every ounce of my being but I am not about to succumb to paranoia.

[umbrex]

Mr. Icke said it himself, he's a guru now..

[reptileslayer]

Hello everybody, personally i am a great supporter of David Icke, and he has given a great deal of knowledge and insight to us all. Theres a big but here, and im speaking from my own perspective also, when you posses the range and depth of understanding that Icke has, you have a responsibility to help the people to a resolved position (as in dealing with the illuminati) and i feel that for him to put this info, out to everybody, and then say right guys im off into my own orbit good luck, is to be frank shellfish, and irresponsible, i feel that i personally have something to bring to the table to help here, and i will NEVER go of into my own orbit, i have knowledge and understanding, therefore i have a responsibilty to help everyone with this problem. I've been concerned with Ickes attitude since he wrote in his last book (Love is the only truth everything is illusion) saying right folks here is the info about them, now lets all think them out of existence, thats ridiculous! he may be right about how it works over all but that is of no use to the level of most people here, hell they are having trouble facing the fact that 9/11, was an inside job, by 'them' so after explaining this situation where most people are here, there is no doubt, in my mind that there has to be a more 'nuts and bolts' solution to the problem ie: tracking them down and removing them all. but there is no doubt in my mind, that people like Icke are very precious to the people here and are desperately needed, to help in dealing with this major problem, instead of going off on one by himself. Its not on David.

[montag]

If it were someone with a large amount of general knowledge, interest in political systems and so on like say someone who works at a university teaching politics I'd recommend Dr John Coleman and be satisfied that they would be educated accurately.
John Colemans book on the Committee of 300 is a great book and he actually names names instead of talking generically. The one thing about that book though that makes me hesitant about loaning it to friends is the information about the cultural engineering of the sixties, Tavistock and The Beatles, Rolling Stones and the whole Aquarian conspiracy, most people I know could never except that, you can talk about 911 or JFK but don't touch the Beatles, they are above reproach, the programming and indoctrination is just too deep.

[umbrex]

but don't touch the Beatles, they are above reproach, the programming and indoctrination is just too deep.

That's pretty funny..

Regarding the book by Coleman; it also seems outdated or containing false info, like the club of rome's agenda by reducing the populus by 30% by 2005..

[baron von lotsov]

He he he. I wonder why he hasn't answered any of my posts to him? Not once and I am hardly the philosopher he likes to think he is?

Hail to the baron


It's called work. Instead of answering your questions I have been programming. I have list controls with drop down pick lists now as a result of some good hacking last night. You should see them, really funky they are.

[baron von lotsov]

Baron von Lotsov wrote:


Even if this were true, about the latter new age stuff (it's not) don't you think that you are being a tad elitist?. After all you apparently have read Icke's earlier works without succumbing to what you suggest is dominating his later work.




You don't read what I say do you. Look back a few pages and I stated that I was affected by some of the bullshit he came out with and it was both initially a step forward and then a step back. Only after I checked it all for myself did I manage to progress any further, but true, I do generally consider I'm a little more resistant than most to the control mechanisms in place. I have always had a hard time from the system and have always had to stand up against it. 90% of people don't, so they are even more vulnerable.

[baron von lotsov]

(2) and that is exactly what you are giving YOUR OPINION. You may well be right but then again you could very well be wrong.



Did you know that is the function of a forum?

[baron von lotsov]

Hello everybody, personally i am a great supporter of David Icke, and he has given a great deal of knowledge and insight to us all. Theres a big but here, and im speaking from my own perspective also, when you posses the range and depth of understanding that Icke has, you have a responsibility to help the people to a resolved position (as in dealing with the illuminati) and i feel that for him to put this info, out to everybody, and then say right guys im off into my own orbit good luck, is to be frank shellfish, and irresponsible, i feel that i personally have something to bring to the table to help here, and i will NEVER go of into my own orbit, i have knowledge and understanding, therefore i have a responsibilty to help everyone with this problem. I've been concerned with Ickes attitude since he wrote in his last book (Love is the only truth everything is illusion) saying right folks here is the info about them, now lets all think them out of existence, thats ridiculous! he may be right about how it works over all but that is of no use to the level of most people here, hell they are having trouble facing the fact that 9/11, was an inside job, by 'them' so after explaining this situation where most people are here, there is no doubt, in my mind that there has to be a more 'nuts and bolts' solution to the problem ie: tracking them down and removing them all. but there is no doubt in my mind, that people like Icke are very precious to the people here and are desperately needed, to help in dealing with this major problem, instead of going off on one by himself. Its not on David.

I think that is an excellent post, you sum up what I was trying to say and it's nice to see someone else see that, yes we do need Icke to become responsible. I think everyone who has a good knowledge of the system should put it to good use. Here is me doing it rather than just saying it.

http://forum.no2id.net/search.php?search_author=Baron+von+Lotsov.

Now, nothing beats real life fighting of the system to sharpen one's understanding of it and I'd suggest everyone does something to help. The more you give out the more you get back.

[baron von lotsov]

John Colemans book on the Committee of 300 is a great book and he actually names names instead of talking generically. The one thing about that book though that makes me hesitant about loaning it to friends is the information about the cultural engineering of the sixties, Tavistock and The Beatles, Rolling Stones and the whole Aquarian conspiracy, most people I know could never except that, you can talk about 911 or JFK but don't touch the Beatles, they are above reproach, the programming and indoctrination is just too deep.

Exactly and this is why I say that previously I had only seen the tip of the iceberg. When people see the whole thing then the system is dead, well and truly brown bread.

It will come though; I'm overjoyed at how far the general public are getting at peeling back the layers. So far it has got to people starting to realise that we are not rightwing at all (as in generic system bullshit) but that the system is modelling itself on the old Soviet style Communism. I even saw global warming attributed to a Marxist philosophy the other day. You see it happens in stages, of course we can't reveal it all in one go but bit-by-bit is the best way, so it all has time to assimilate itself in one's mind.

[baron von lotsov]

Look guys, here is an example of just one post on an average mainstream news forum. Deus ex machina is a system troll (PhD scientist in geology) but just look at how he gets ripped to pieces.

Quote

Originally posted by Deus ex machina:
Link

Looks like the denialists have lost their latest excuse. No doubt another one will along in a minute.


“Denialists”, in your eyes Deus, are simply people who’s opinions differ from yours, and/or who don’t take everything they see at face value and leap on the first passing bandwagon.

So; no “sun link” eh? I wonder why that should have suddenly required an institution to “research” it? Oh; and why Rutherford-Appleton Laboratory? Ah, that would be because the RAL, like many other UK research facilities, operates under Royal Charters, and are under the direction of DIUS; The Department for Innovation, Universities and Skills. Interestingly, the Government are making great capital out of “Global Warming” – essentially harvesting the benefit of a largely natural phenomenon for spurious reason…and as RAL admit; “Parliament monitors and influences our work through its Select Committees and the Parliamentary Ombudsman”. Factor into that the funding sources – one of the latest “big ones” being £6 million from the DTI – which are largely related to UK Trade and Investement ( a Gov’t department )…and you can see where their priorities must lie. Don’t get me wrong; I don’t disparage the RAL, or any of the other research facilities affilliated to DIUS or other similar organisations; they do good work.

As the article suggests, this research was brought about by the recent C4 documentary which laid bare a few details that the green sandal-munchers and Gov’t were somewhat reticent about openly debating. It set about wishing to “disprove” something that the participents in the programme – who had nothing to lose except their reputations – took quite a detailed look at, and presented in fairly clear, unambiguous terms.

The green “industry” – in whatever form it takes ( and it is constantly morphing into new forms and areas ) – is worth £billions. Gov’t have invested heavily in this facet of modern political interest – that needs protecting. “Global warming” is, in itself, a composite hijacking of differing issues; the temperatire of the planet; the environment; and resource management – everything now points to “warming the earth”, even when things are clearly of importance to resources or the immediate environment. Yes, the planet would appear to be warming up – just as it has done, then cooled again, countless times in the past and long before man came along as well…that is irrefutable fact.

Thirty years ago scientists were warning us that the earth was cooling and we were faced with an imminent ice-age. Well that didn’t happen, and in a few seconds ( in real-scale terms ) we are now going to frizzle away instead. Oh come on! Look at the available data from past millennia – and it is available – and draw conclusions from that…NOT ignoring our present-day input; but not beating us over the head with it either.


quote:
There is very little conflict in the scientific community who now speak with virtually one voice. The muddying of the waters begins at corporate level where the manipulators have their own near-sighted short-term ulterior motives and the doubters are falling for it - so if anyone is swindling us it's big business.


“Little conflict”? You jest. But you are partly right in your assertion that muddying begins at corporate level – though not always in the manner you suggest. Much of the muddying appears to be from those directly interested in greener technology and pursuance, and Gov’t. And before you start shrieking about the petrochemical industry, consider that BP have invested one heck of a lot of dosh in greener technology themselves; and have an arm of the business devoted to it. You’re right that manipulation and short-termism abounds; but it isn’t the doubters who are falling for the “swindle” – it’s the vast majority of us who just sit back and accept what we’re told all the time. Now and again it just takes a handful of heretics to apply the brakes and show a chink of light. The Gov’ts and interested industries/organisations don’t like that…

[dondaz]

I think everyone who has a good knowledge of the system should put it to good use. Here is me doing it rather than just saying it.

http://forum.no2id.net/search.php?se...ron+von+Lotsov.

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u39/dazp5/no2ID---baron.jpg

Point taken!

I try again and get this:

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u39/dazp5/no2ID---baron2.jpg

Yeah right, I'm gonna search and go through all your threads to try to find you fighting the NWO, or the system, as you call it.

You do put your knowledge of the system to good use, good use for the system!

Hi reptillionslayer

there is no doubt, in my mind that there has to be a more 'nuts and bolts' solution to the problem ie: tracking them down and removing them all.

What's that all about? Track who down and remove them by what means? You been reading that Fulford thread and think the Ninja are gonna save us?

[holly_ocean]

This thread is a classic example of how we humans get into the confusion we do
I never read David say anything about an attic and personally i feel quite easy going about whether or not he has one. Try he shou wu - it puts one in quite another headpace!!!!
Re these dramas, my kids' Dad made me laugh the other day when he said 'lets enjoy them while we can'
i imagine when re start to see reality we won't know how to do them any more
Happy days
xxxxxxx

[baron von lotsov]

This thread is a classic example of how we humans get into the confusion we do
I never read David say anything about an attic and personally i feel quite easy going about whether or not he has one. Try he shou wu - it puts one in quite another headpace!!!!
Re these dramas, my kids' Dad made me laugh the other day when he said 'lets enjoy them while we can'
i imagine when re start to see reality we won't know how to do them any more
Happy days
xxxxxxx


So you miss the point entirely. It was simply an aside to the main point of the thread that Icke is no longer interested in conspiracy. He might as well have told us about going for a walk with his dog or the 101 other life stories you probably read about in Cosmopolitan. Do you care to address the main issue or are you going to carry on asleep? Microchip implants next for you then. Meditate yourself out of that one if you can!

[baron von lotsov]

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u39/dazp5/no2ID---baron.jpg

Point taken!

I try again and get this:

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u39/dazp5/no2ID---baron2.jpg

Yeah right, I'm gonna search and go through all your threads to try to find you fighting the NWO, or the system, as you call it.

You do put your knowledge of the system to good use, good use for the system!

Hi reptillionslayer



What's that all about? Track who down and remove them by what means? You been reading that Fulford thread and think the Ninja are gonna save us?

All I did was copy and paste the URL into this forum. I tried it again by copy and pasting the same link into Word and it got the whole search criteria. Conclusion: it is this crap forum that is fucked and not me.

[mitch_lane]

Baron von Lotsov wrote:

You don't read what I say do you. Look back a few pages and I stated that I was affected by some of the bullshit he came out with and it was both initially a step forward and then a step back. Only after I checked it all for myself did I manage to progress any further, but true, I do generally consider I'm a little more resistant than most to the control mechanisms in place. I have always had a hard time from the system and have always had to stand up against it. 90% of people don't, so they are even more vulnerable.

I was indicating that if Icke made you more aware initially and then you went on to survive what you consider to be his erroneous information ( an example may have been nice) then I thought it a little elitist of you not to think that others could too. Most conspiracy research is a "work in progress" and will probably never be 100% accurate in all its details but does that mean it should not be looked at and considered as an alternative worldview, or even, as in your case, just a springboard for further independent thought?.
On the issue of you checking out Icke's ( and anyone else's information) for yourself, isn't that exactly what Icke recommends that people should do?.
Perhaps you have read one of his books after all!.

[holly_ocean]

:confused:To Baron von lotsov
Please would you tell me your plan to improve the situation humans seems to be on this planet?
This is not a dig
i really would like to know
Thanks loads
much appreciated

[holly_ocean]

and sorry a personal feedback question
thanks i am flattered that you think i read Cosmopolitan
what is it about me that gives that impression?

[holly_ocean]

ps arguing is fun for a while;)

[mitch_lane]

reptileslayer wrote:

Hello everybody, personally i am a great supporter of David Icke, and he has given a great deal of knowledge and insight to us all. Theres a big but here, and im speaking from my own perspective also, when you posses the range and depth of understanding that Icke has, you have a responsibility to help the people to a resolved position (as in dealing with the illuminati) and i feel that for him to put this info, out to everybody, and then say right guys im off into my own orbit good luck, is to be frank shellfish, and irresponsible, i feel that i personally have something to bring to the table to help here, and i will NEVER go of into my own orbit, i have knowledge and understanding, therefore i have a responsibilty to help everyone with this problem. I've been concerned with Ickes attitude since he wrote in his last book (Love is the only truth everything is illusion) saying right folks here is the info about them, now lets all think them out of existence, thats ridiculous! he may be right about how it works over all but that is of no use to the level of most people here, hell they are having trouble facing the fact that 9/11, was an inside job, by 'them' so after explaining this situation where most people are here, there is no doubt, in my mind that there has to be a more 'nuts and bolts' solution to the problem ie: tracking them down and removing them all. but there is no doubt in my mind, that people like Icke are very precious to the people here and are desperately needed, to help in dealing with this major problem, instead of going off on one by himself. Its not on David.

Where has Icke said that he is done with his work?
If you have attended any of his talks or read any of his books it ought to be quite obvious that he has begun to move past what you term as the nuts and bolts conspiracy because that never was the message that he was transmitting- it is simply something that had to be covered to awaken people to the situation that confronts them- and he has done it pretty exhaustively, one book of nearly 500 pages being devoted almost exclusively to 9/11. This is all information that was necessary to paint the picture of the world that exists behind- as he calls it- the movie screen. But it is not the solution and it never has been and Icke could not have been clearer about this from the very beginning.
Here's a quote from the last page of the "Robots Rebellion"-1994:
"We shall love the earth and love each other. We shall love those who love us and love those who hate us. We shall not choose between them, for all are we and we are all. We are each other and the truth of that is re-emerging in our consciousness. Open your heart, follow your heart, and your life and all life on this planet will be transformed".
We Are Each Other, and that includes the Illuminati and those that serve them. There is the solution, day one, book one of what can be considered the beginning of Icke's writing on the world conspiracy. It certainly is not his responsibility if you are not listening.

[herebynightfall]

reptileslayer wrote:
It certainly is not his responsibility if you are not listening.

Here, here.

I posted this on another thread but it applies here as well

i must be dreaming now but couldnt we send this message and many more, out to places like iran, iraq, and all of these predestined hot spots of the world. because if we did, and the general public knew about it. and we proclaimed OUR peace, no matter what the actions of 'our leaders in government' do or say to their 'leaders in government'

a message of... don't attack us (even though we know that You, the concious people of the nations don't want to) and we will help you back on your feet. help you learn our ways of thinking and why our actions have led to what they have, as we would love to learn about your way of thinking and understand how you as well have been suppressed by these elitist. should you choose to make this pact from one peoples nation to another.

government with us or not. because if our gov'ts are against us on that note than they are no governments of ours to represent us

lol sorry about the rant... just venting but hey its a dream of mine

[holly_ocean]

reptileslayer wrote:



Where has Icke said that he is done with his work?
If you have attended any of his talks or read any of his books it ought to be quite obvious that he has begun to move past what you term as the nuts and bolts conspiracy because that never was the message that he was transmitting- it is simply something that had to be covered to awaken people to the situation that confronts them- and he has done it pretty exhaustively, one book of nearly 500 pages being devoted almost exclusively to 9/11. This is all information that was necessary to paint the picture of the world that exists behind- as he calls it- the movie screen. But it is not the solution and it never has been and Icke could not have been clearer about this from the very beginning.
Here's a quote from the last page of the "Robots Rebellion"-1994:
"We shall love the earth and love each other. We shall love those who love us and love those who hate us. We shall not choose between them, for all are we and we are all. We are each other and the truth of that is re-emerging in our consciousness. Open your heart, follow your heart, and your life and all life on this planet will be transformed".
We Are Each Other, and that includes the Illuminati and those that serve them. There is the solution, day one, book one of what can be considered the beginning of Icke's writing on the world conspiracy. It certainly is not his responsibility if you are not listening.

Well said:)

[baron von lotsov]

:confused:To Baron von lotsov
Please would you tell me your plan to improve the situation humans seems to be on this planet?
This is not a dig
i really would like to know
Thanks loads
much appreciated


Know your enemy.

It's obvious that we are being screwed by the system but most people don't even know who their enemy is or what their enemy is doing to attack them. Certainly the system is very clever to bring about this state of affairs, so we need to unravel the bullshit and then people will know what to do and go about solving it. This process is already in motion and currently there is a big battle for people's minds. Each time you read a New Age book you might as well be joining up in the queue of one of those Nazi gas chambers. Even worse really because they are recruiting people to fight their battles for them.

Their future plan is to brainwash everyone to a state of cult like total control and they pay people to do it. It's big business around here; a psychic fortuneteller can earn £50/hour, which is ten times what nearly everyone else earns on the minimum wage (code word for standard wage). You can therefore see clearly that these people are being paid to do the elites bidding. Any high earning job is doing their bidding. The pay structure is in direct proportion to how helpful you are to them.

[john white]

Baron when are you going to develop some wisdom?

Know your enemy.

It's obvious that we are being screwed by the system but most people don't even know who their enemy is or what their enemy is doing to attack them.

Why then do you waste your energy trying to tell other people what think? Can't you see you behave like the system when you do that?

Certainly the system is very clever to bring about this state of affairs, so we need to unravel the bullshit and then people will know what to do and go about solving it.

Which is done by exposing the methodology and theories behind the systems control: uinfortunately, you are clearly still a victim of quite a lot of that!

This process is already in motion

Life is motion

and currently there is a big battle for people's minds

See a War, be trapped by War. See growth, be part of growth

Each time you read a New Age book you might as well be joining up in the queue of one of those Nazi gas chambers. Even worse really because they are recruiting people to fight their battles for them.

OBEY ME! You scream, whilst accusing anyone who doesnt of being both Sheep and Wolf at the same time

Jawohl uberluitnant Lotsov! Imbecelic

Why are you so petrified of Freedom Baron?

I can feel the sweat on your brow at the very idea of people running their own lives in the way they want to

It really is a good job your not in a position of power, becuase we would definately have to overthrow you, you'd be worse than Hitler

Their future plan is to brainwash everyone to a state of cult like total control and they pay people to do it.

What do you mean future plan? You have heard of consumerism?

Oh hang on a minute, your programmed to believe capatalism is the anti-NWO force!

It's big business around here; a psychic fortuneteller can earn £50/hour, which is ten times what nearly everyone else earns on the minimum wage (code word for standard wage). You can therefore see clearly that these people are being paid to do the elites bidding.

Perhaps the Fortune Teller only works one hour in ten? What about artists? If an artist paints a picture in four hours and charges £200 for it, does that mean they are working for "them"? Or just that value is a matter of perception? And is it the Elite who is buying the fortune telling session? Is it the elite who buy the picture? And if it was: are they doing their bidding or redistributing their wealth LOL!

Any high earning job is doing their bidding. The pay structure is in direct proportion to how helpful you are to them.

In system serving jobs, yes (Civil service, banking, Police, Armed Forces). But I have a feeling that for you it just means anyone your suspicious of

[baron von lotsov]

At the Assembly Rooms an author of a book on something to do with New Age did a presentation the other day. Normally these book signing events are free and as a promotional thing. This one was £60. Normally events at the place charge in the region of £3- 7 depending on the performer and you get about 100-200 people turning up. My friend was doing some technical stuff to do with it and got in for free. He said there were about 20 people altogether and was absolutely stunned when I told him what the fee was.

This is just the latest in elitist New Age bollox. A weekend could easily cost you anything up to £300 for some of their events. No one round here except the New Age elite has that kind of money to burn. Most people don't even turn up to events when they are more than a fiver; such is the poverty in the countryside. (It's actually officially listed by the government as being a deprived area) Mind you the guy who started selling that neuro-toxin soya food artificial meat at festivals is currently worth over £1 million and has a house of that kind of size to prove it and fitted with one of the largest crystals you have probably ever seen.

So John, whatever you say, as per usual you never fail to be an apologist for the elite.

[john white]

So John, whatever you say, as per usual you never fail to be an apologist for the elite.

On the contary, as usual, whatever you say Baron, you end up doing their Fear mongering divisive mind control for them

Just where do you get off posting such ignorant fear imposing shite like this?

Quote:
Each time you read a New Age book you might as well be joining up in the queue of one of those Nazi gas chambers. Even worse really because they are recruiting people to fight their battles for them.

Like I said:

OBEY ME! You scream, whilst accusing anyone who doesn't of being both Sheep and Wolf at the same time

If you can't terrify people into seeing themselves a vicitms, you try and terrify them into seeing themselves as monsters!

Methinks you protest to much, with one aim in mind:

To hide from YOURSELF your own Slavery

Secretely Baron, you wish you were part of the elite

Becuase you certainly believe the world would be better if you were in charge!

[baron von lotsov]

That's right John. Ignore the evidence I presented in the above post and think of ways to divert the subject. Turn everything around against me because you can't deal with what I'm saying. How much do you hope to make out of the New Age?

[john white]

That's right John. Ignore the evidence I presented in the above post and think of ways to divert the subject. Turn everything around against me because you can't deal with what I'm saying. How much do you hope to make out of the New Age?

All I saw was paranoid blather about people doing things you dont approve of and terror oozing out of your bed-wetting soul

Your a joke Lotsov, a running Joke

Again:

Just where do you get off posting such ignorant fear imposing shite like this?

Each time you read a New Age book you might as well be joining up in the queue of one of those Nazi gas chambers. Even worse really because they are recruiting people to fight their battles for them.

Like I said:

OBEY ME! You scream, whilst accusing anyone who doesn't of being both Sheep and Wolf at the same time

If you can't terrify people into seeing themselves a vicitms, you try and terrify them into seeing themselves as monsters!

Methinks you protest to much, with one aim in mind:

To hide from YOURSELF your own Slavery

Secretely Baron, you wish you were part of the elite

Becuase you certainly believe the world would be better if you were in charge!

The reason you find your attempts contantly unsuccesful is that your methods have nothing to offer, other than reducing people to simple robots like yourself

How much do you hope to make out of the New Age?

Given that I live essentially a simple monastic life, thats the lowest you've ever stooped Lotsov. Puts me in mind to go manifest a fortune just to tick you off

For the Love of God man, go work on yourself: your in no position either to teach or preach

[reptileslayer]

reptileslayer wrote:



Where has Icke said that he is done with his work?
If you have attended any of his talks or read any of his books it ought to be quite obvious that he has begun to move past what you term as the nuts and bolts conspiracy because that never was the message that he was transmitting- it is simply something that had to be covered to awaken people to the situation that confronts them- and he has done it pretty exhaustively, one book of nearly 500 pages being devoted almost exclusively to 9/11. This is all information that was necessary to paint the picture of the world that exists behind- as he calls it- the movie screen. But it is not the solution and it never has been and Icke could not have been clearer about this from the very beginning.
Here's a quote from the last page of the "Robots Rebellion"-1994:
"We shall love the earth and love each other. We shall love those who love us and love those who hate us. We shall not choose between them, for all are we and we are all. We are each other and the truth of that is re-emerging in our consciousness. Open your heart, follow your heart, and your life and all life on this planet will be transformed".
We Are Each Other, and that includes the Illuminati and those that serve them. There is the solution, day one, book one of what can be considered the beginning of Icke's writing on the world conspiracy. It certainly is not his responsibility if you are not listening.Hi i am sorry that i've got to say this to you, but im seriously fed up of people going into denial or ducking and diving with metaphysics while this bunch of interbred psychopaths butcher us all. Sorry no time for space cadet love ect, PURE AND SIMPLE THESE LOWLIFES NEED REMOVING AND REMOVING NOW BEFORE THEY DO MORE DAMAGE. you will be lucky if theres one percent of the population who remotely understand what icke says is 'the solution' yes in 500 years time when humans are grown up enough to practice it. lets get real, on earth right now, the only solution is, to face and remove them. God its so obvious.

[mitch_lane]

reptileslayer wrote:

...PURE AND SIMPLE THESE LOWLIFES NEED REMOVING AND REMOVING NOW BEFORE THEY DO MORE DAMAGE...

this phrase- particularly in America- was applicable to Saddam Hussein and something similar was used as a tool in arguing for the war in Iraq.
I won't get into the debate over the actual figures but by any measure applied there are thousands of dead civillians in that country, hundreds of dead soldiers and police and a mired situation with no way out that doesn't leave an epically proportioned mess in its wake. That is where the type of thinking that you espouse can take you.
War is War
Fear is Fear
Peace is Peace
Love is All
Is that "space cadet" enough for you?.

[baron von lotsov]

reptileslayer wrote:



this phrase- particularly in America- was applicable to Saddam Hussein and something similar was used as a tool in arguing for the war in Iraq.
I won't get into the debate over the actual figures but by any measure applied there are thousands of dead civillians in that country, hundreds of dead soldiers and police and a mired situation with no way out that doesn't leave an epically proportioned mess in its wake. That is where the type of thinking that you espouse can take you.
War is War
Fear is Fear
Peace is Peace
Love is All
Is that "space cadet" enough for you?.

You think the establishment doesn't support peace movements? Let me give you a couple of examples where they did. First the Vietnam war as a total psy-ops on the American people and secondly CND with their occult logo of a broken cross.

[john white]

You think the establishment doesn't support peace movements? Let me give you a couple of examples where they did. First the Vietnam war as a total psy-ops on the American people and secondly CND with their occult logo of a broken cross.

You think we don't know the establishment inflitrates and uses any movements that might possible threaten their control? Duh!

Where you go wrong Baron is you allow them to tell you that you darn't risk associating with the people in the group just becuase they are seeking to manipulate it! IE: Threatened by it!

Its called MIND CONTROL

BTW: The Crucifix is a Death symbol too!

[carlg1212]

Conclusion, Icke + fans have been subtly steered by the PTB into harmless activities at a time when the NWO is make or break time for the establishment.

You draw your conclusion because "absolutely no one had the slightest bit of interest" in the article you posted.

Maybe you needed more evidence to support your claim that the Beatles' lyrics writer decended from royalty.

[baron von lotsov]

You draw your conclusion because "absolutely no one had the slightest bit of interest" in the article you posted.

Maybe you needed more evidence to support your claim that the Beatles' lyrics writer decended from royalty.


It was not a claim; it was a point of discussion. I found the info and though it fitted very well with how I view the NWO agenda, namely it is a lot to do with social engineering. I accept the bloodline thing but not that they are lizards. Icke is some truth and some fiction but that is not healthy. Propaganda is nearly always some truth and some fiction.

[mitch_lane]

Baron von Lotsov wrote:

You think the establishment doesn't support peace movements? Let me give you a couple of examples where they did. First the Vietnam war as a total psy-ops on the American people and secondly CND with their occult logo of a broken cross.

Baron, are you sure that you have read any of the books that Icke has written ( this is a point I keep repeating, I know, but the jury is still out) because I can tell you that someone who has read some of his books ought to be well aware of the behind the scenes manipulation of all organisations that may influence and Icke has talked at length about Illuminati symbolism so you are hardly breaking new ground with your CND information: fairly sure that Icke has mentioned it and it is definitely pointed out in Cathy Burns' book on Occult Symbols but if you are still unsure as to what I believe about this I will quote myself from a recent post on an allied topic:

...but if you think that Agent Provacteurs would not get involved in any mass movement...then you are seriously underestimating the Illuminati.....

Get it Baron?, others are aware of these issues besides yourself and some of them have read some Icke and some New Age books!.

I don't follow any movement or any political ideology or any faith because they are all- at best- broken and forms of dualism and-at worst- deliberate Mind Kontrol.

[holly_ocean]

i am beginning to have a tender regard for Baron von Lotsov
he reminds me of someone i know
anyway back to my Cosmopolitan
is there life beyond plots and counter plots?
what about doing stuff that actually shifts stuff

why is anything that gives people enjoyment or helps people in their lives highly suspect to some people?
like they think we're totally naive because we can still experience pleasure?

does this count as hijacking a thread in the name of love?
lol:):confused::D:o:(:rolleyes: