What Is Time?

[chandrakavi]

I have heard and read by David Icke, Osho, a mystic from India, Einstein,
and many wise men that TIME DOES NOT EXIST. which is so.
CHRONOLOGICAL TIME ,the kind of time we live in, and have invented,a day with 24 hours, 1 hour with 60 minutes, a year with 365 days and so on, it is something we have all agreed on, although it is not written anywhere to make things work according to rotation so we work during the day and sleep
at night, or viceversa sometimes.

iN INDIA THE MYSTIC OSHO DIVIDES IT IN cronological time, PSYCHOLOGICAL TIME, and EXISTENCIAL TIME.

Cronological time as I understand it is the time we all live being inside the establishment, the matrix time, the clocktime ,which has no meaning, and does not inted to, it simply wants to make us utilitarian. But it is a fake.

Psychological time is a fake although a bit less of a fake. One is more into his or her emotions ,feels time going by slower or faster according how happy or unhappy things are going ,still the day has 24 hours, but feels sdifferently. It has more to do with art, beauty ,dreams. Children live in Psychological time, no hurry at all, versus adults who are always in a hurry,
therefore misunderstanding is very easy among them.
Sometimes couples have a big fight over something not realizing he wants to get somewhere on time(he is living in the Cronological time) and she is taking her time tochoose a beautiful dress(psychological time)

Existential time, or REAL time ,has to do with meaning within us,
it is not CHRONOLOGICAL , not utilitarian, not psychological, not outer,
but the inner , there is no separation of past, present and futurre. The past is merely a memory, only the present exists, and teh future as not yet come,
(one of the reasons why politicians, Illuminatis an such, only SPEAK ABOUT THE FUTURE, because if they talk about the past they messed up things, and there is no longer an illusion that things might turn right , because we KNOW they turned wrong, in the present time everything is also wrong, so what can they talk about except the illusion of the future that has not yet come?)
The mayans of Mexico ahd a calendar withh each day being different, with 364 plus one day out of time. Years later the Vatican with Pope Gregoius changed that to the gregorian calendar we have today, a Cronological calendar, meaningless, UTILITARIAN only.

Time has been since a long time ago an Implanted belief ,on one side, and a necessity (just like money) on the other side.
If after a war, everyone dead, all cloks telling time ,but who needs to know? If man is no longer on the planet ,time will have died with human beings also,
since it was an invention.

Most people in madhouses, are living in psychological time, one has to get out of that illusiory time. and go to the existential. And being aware that although a fake the Cronological Time and psychological time are needed
to put us in order, including the people from the Old world order.
If we understand what time is, we will have understood one of the greatest truth. Also, although it can't be changed, one of the greatest systems of control ever, based on the earth's rotation day and night.
We are happy the way past present and future have been divided,
but we only have the present moment, the rest is feelings memories dreams,
and the utilitarian (work to earn a living)
Things won't change, all"different times" will continue to be used, understanding of it iiiiiis interesting.

[pumma]

"Time is a human "artificial" conceptual notion that has been conceived by mankind in order to measure the order and sequence of events... it's almost a mere perception of our transition from birth to death - i.e., our lifetimes.

Other than that, it has no real existence. It is not a traversable dimension, hypothetically or not, because there is no such thing as a continuum of time. Space time continuum is science fiction.
Let me explain: To use the very time-based term "forever", quite simply the universe has been around... forever. Sure, the "Creation" happened, but that was simply the most recent major event that has happened on a universal scale... that we are able to see through radio telescopes. But it doesn't mean it was particularly special... like the Alpha or something. In all probability, it was one of a long line of "Creations" that are the result of the pull of gravity sucking the entire universe in and consequently and conversely (due to Newton's Laws) the opposite reactive forces cause everything to explode out again creating a "fresh" universe.

We digress... So, essentially, as far as time is concerned, we live in a "static" universe, and when something moves from one point to another, it moves through space and granted it happens in a particular order, and granted it can be measured using a clock, but that is simply a point of reference. You are simply comparing the positions of the hands on a clockface at the start of the object's movement to the hands' positions at the end of the object's movement. And hence, we have mankind's measurement of time, and this same referencing method is used "universally" (so to speak) amongst all humans.

But there is no reference to any other point in time without involving the state of another separate object to measure it. If time truly existed, then we could measure the length of time of an event with reference to the beginning of time. But the beginning of time is unfathomable, incomprehensible. Some might say that it is because it is beyond human comprehension. But that's really just overlooking the concept that time doesn't exist at all. The fundamental objects that make up the universe (rocks, atoms, electrons, quarks, etc.) didn't just pop out of thin air one day. They have "always" been around (to use another time-based term!). The best way I can think of right now is to think back to Stephen King's 1995 film The Langoliers. Without the Langoliers, the place where the aeroplane passengers ended up would've existed statically without time (their clocks stopped, remember) "forever". But things could still be moved without reference to anything time-based. They made some fundamental mistakes like saying fire and smell could not exist without time, but they are simply objects just like anything else: ions and combusting gases, respectively."

[informationx]

I have heard and read by David Icke, Osho, a mystic from India, Einstein,
and many wise men that TIME DOES NOT EXIST. which is so.
CHRONOLOGICAL TIME ,the kind of time we live in, and have invented,a day with 24 hours, 1 hour with 60 minutes, a year with 365 days and so on, it is something we have all agreed on, although it is not written anywhere to make things work according to rotation so we work during the day and sleep
at night, or viceversa sometimes.

iN INDIA THE MYSTIC OSHO DIVIDES IT IN cronological time, PSYCHOLOGICAL TIME, and EXISTENCIAL TIME.

Cronological time as I understand it is the time we all live being inside the establishment, the matrix time, the clocktime ,which has no meaning, and does not inted to, it simply wants to make us utilitarian. But it is a fake.

Psychological time is a fake although a bit less of a fake. One is more into his or her emotions ,feels time going by slower or faster according how happy or unhappy things are going ,still the day has 24 hours, but feels sdifferently. It has more to do with art, beauty ,dreams. Children live in Psychological time, no hurry at all, versus adults who are always in a hurry,
therefore misunderstanding is very easy among them.
Sometimes couples have a big fight over something not realizing he wants to get somewhere on time(he is living in the Cronological time) and she is taking her time tochoose a beautiful dress(psychological time)

Existential time, or REAL time ,has to do with meaning within us,
it is not CHRONOLOGICAL , not utilitarian, not psychological, not outer,
but the inner , there is no separation of past, present and futurre. The past is merely a memory, only the present exists, and teh future as not yet come,
(one of the reasons why politicians, Illuminatis an such, only SPEAK ABOUT THE FUTURE, because if they talk about the past they messed up things, and there is no longer an illusion that things might turn right , because we KNOW they turned wrong, in the present time everything is also wrong, so what can they talk about except the illusion of the future that has not yet come?)
The mayans of Mexico ahd a calendar withh each day being different, with 364 plus one day out of time. Years later the Vatican with Pope Gregoius changed that to the gregorian calendar we have today, a Cronological calendar, meaningless, UTILITARIAN only.

Time has been since a long time ago an Implanted belief ,on one side, and a necessity (just like money) on the other side.
If after a war, everyone dead, all cloks telling time ,but who needs to know? If man is no longer on the planet ,time will have died with human beings also,
since it was an invention.

Most people in madhouses, are living in psychological time, one has to get out of that illusiory time. and go to the existential. And being aware that although a fake the Cronological Time and psychological time are needed
to put us in order, including the people from the Old world order.
If we understand what time is, we will have understood one of the greatest truth. Also, although it can't be changed, one of the greatest systems of control ever, based on the earth's rotation day and night.
We are happy the way past present and future have been divided,
but we only have the present moment, the rest is feelings memories dreams,
and the utilitarian (work to earn a living)
Things won't change, all"different times" will continue to be used, understanding of it iiiiiis interesting.

Im a big fan of OSHO :D he is one of the most brilliant minds in my opinion. Also take a look at this fantastic video by alan watts.

http://deoxy.org/watch/rTaklXTSDPE

[chandrakavi]

Interesting video!:D, and comment.

You are also absolutly right Pumma !:) Steven Hawkings also perceived this in a book called A BRIEF HISTORY OF TIME. RIGHT!

It's incredible how much explanation has to be given
about something the Matrix wants us to believe,
an invention, because it is needed for the system that we do,
people can't live without having a watch. In India some women
can't tell time, but wear them because they look beautiful,
hahahaha

[stomph]

Thanks for the Link to Alan Watts! Seen him for the first time and just headed over to YouTube for more... Wow, very enlightening! :):):)

[chandrakavi]

"THE BROTHERHOOD HAS TUNED THE HUMAN CONCIOUSNESS INTO A FALSE PERSPECTIVE OF TIME, AND IN DOING SO , THEY HAVE DISCONNECTED HUMANITY FROM THE REST OF CREATION WHICH OPERATES ON A DIFFERENT VERSION OF TIME.THUS HUMANITY IS LIVING ITS LIFE OUT OF SYNCRONICITY WITH THE UNIVERSE. NO WONDER THERE'S SO MUCH IMBALANCE. IN TRUTH THERE IS NO TIME. IT IS ONLY OUR PERCEPTION OF TIME,THAT MAKE EVENTS APPEAR TO BE HAPPENING IN A LINEAR TIME LINE. " David Icke in The Biggest Secret

[tickles]

I've listened to Alan Watts on Liberty radio and he sonds like a scottsman. He sounds a lot different that the Alan Watts in that video. Are they the same person?.

[informationx]

I've listened to Alan Watts on Liberty radio and he sonds like a scottsman. He sounds a lot different that the Alan Watts in that video. Are they the same person?.

Completely different people ;)

[tickles]

I thought they must of been :D

[chandrakavi]

Osho joke on cronological Time and how we apply it among ourselves:

There came a loud knock at the door, just when the doctor had settled down for a sleep, he got up and asked the man at the door, "what is it?"
"I have been bitten by a dog", the man said,
"Well, don't you know that my hours of consultation are between 12 and 3PM?"
"yes" growned the peasant
"yes, but the dog did not know that, and he bit me at twenty to four"
so what am I supposed to do?
Dogs don't believe in clocks

Another doctor's

Behind the desk it said EMERGENCY , CASUALTY REGISTRATION
A man struggled in bruised and muddy,:eek:
he was full with blood bandages,:(limping on both legs,
clutching his arm to stand the flow of blood,


:D





:cool:



:eek:

he crawled to the desk, and groaned "Doctor, Doctor"!!,
The receptionist asked "Have you an appointment sir?:D:confused:

"Once the cronological time is taken too seriously, then one forgets everything else."

[hagbard_celine]

What Is Time?

Ten o'clock!

:D:D

(sorry, I couldn't resist that!)

[chandrakavi]

Ten o'clock!

:D:D

(sorry, I couldn't resist that!)

"It's ten O'clock" in what Country?:D:D:D:confused:

Different continents different Cronological times friend:D

Linear and horizontal also.

[Anders Lindman]

Time is change. And change is time. They are the same thing.

"I am Time, the destroyer of worlds," -- The Bhagadvadgita 11:32

The individual is suspended between a loathsome feeling towards time as destruction and the hidden dread of an eternal life.

[chandrakavi]

Jesus was asked what would be the most important thing
in his kingdom of heaven, and he said:

"THERE SHALL BE TIME NO LONGER" :)

Time is also associated with our process of thought, the mind,
so here and now we can choose to be in heaven, in the inner,
and not have the mind as our master,
as the saying goes: " He who possesses your time, possesses your mind"

[chandrakavi]

What you are saying Anders Lindman is absolutly true,

"Change is time, and time is change
I am time the destroyer of all worlds."

In my understanding this would be refering to "Real time"
"existential time", time as it is , NON-EXISTANT
time without the STRUCTURE not as a human INVENTION,
eternal ,not of the outer world. The Inner world has no time.:):)

[cruise4]

Nope... can't get this at all. Could someone have another go at explaining this please.

[chandrakavi]

" In 1572 Pope Gregory announced that a new calendar was to be introduced, The Gregorian Calendar, and it was implemented in October 1582.
It was another Brotherhood scam and the Gregorian Calendar became the fixed standard time for the planet.

This means that the human mind is tuned to this manufactured flow of 'time'
when we look at a clock, watch, or plan the future with a diary

(....) The Gregorian Calendar is a farce.It is the time eqauivalent of throwing all your clothes in a wardrobe and leaning against the door to stop it flinging open. Here we have a 12 month year of 6o minute hours and 24 hour day with the months so ill fitting that some are 30 days, others 31 , another 28, or 29 every four years. The idea was to disconnect human conciousness from Moon time , and the Gregorian Calendar removed the 13th moon . Instead we have 12 months and 12 moon cycles The Brotherhood hierarchy still l operate their calendars to Moon time--another reason for their obsession with 13.

And when you disconnect people from the natural flow of time ,you are disconnecting them from all that operates in that flow of time. Thus the Western (and incresingly Global 'civilisation') has lost his rapport with the natural world and is out of sync with its environment."

THE BIGGEST SECRET----DAVID ICKE

[Anders Lindman]

What you are saying Anders Lindman is absolutly true,

"Change is time, and time is change
I am time the destroyer of all worlds."

In my understanding this would be refering to "Real time"
"existential time", time as it is , NON-EXISTANT
time without the STRUCTURE not as a human INVENTION,
eternal ,not of the outer world. The Inner world has no time.:):)

We can look at time as: calendar time, physical time and psychological/emotional/subjective time. They are all related. The Gregorian calendar for example, is an example of calendar time, and it's both nasty and good imo. Psychological time is another interesting form of time, where sometimes one minute can seem like a long time, while in other situations several hours can feel like no time at all has passed. Physical time is the exact movement of atoms etc.

One important thing about the future: the future cannot fully be predicted in the now.

[david ickes bike]

Ive often wondered if time is only an illusion how come its affected by the physical world. As you know if you synchronize 2 clocks and put one in a plane and fly it round at high speed when compared the clocks no longer match.

[chandrakavi]

That's right, Time is an illusion, as David icke have said, Einstein, the Mystic Osho, the Mayas,Steven Hawkins, IT DOES NOT EXIST. But we NEED Cronological time, calendar time, or the society would fall apart. But it doesn't mean that clock time exists, it is an INVENTION, we need to use. We feel more comfortable since clock time cronological has been used for centuries,
When one meditates, time(our time in the mind) we realize time has never been there.

then the division of CRONOLOGICAL TIME(clock time, calendar)
Psychological time (how one feels time, faster or slower)
and existential time, real time ,which is neither of the above

clocks and calendars, are kits to help us organize ourselves,
in this man-made creation of , our cronological time, meant to be practical for us, but after all it is a fantasy.
A fantasy that gives us some kinf of "false security", some order in our lives.
but no meaning.

Before the Gregorian calendar ,there was the calendar of the Mayas in Mexico, where all days were different, had different names, had a different energy, but that was abolished for what we have now, a utiliarian way, so we are slaves of our clock, when the handles of the clock move to such and such a place we have to be doing such and such a thing.

The Meaning in our lives can not be found in the invention of time,
In different places, different things everything is happening with oneness,
no division.

We want to put numbers to everything, but human beings are meaning,
we have been told that time is money(utilitarian)
but it can be said that time is art (psychological)
the art of living (Real, which does not exist)
we didn't have a calendar and a watch when we were born ,did we?
the matrix gave it to us. We had to buy one.

[Anders Lindman]

One thing that just hit me was: we only experience the time close to the moment as movement, maybe only about one second of the closest past. The rest of time is just memories and projections created as thoughts. Strange. :cool: :)

[chandrakavi]

That's just right, the time close by us is as you know, THE HERE AND NOW,
the present, the rest is a mind thing, memories of the past that will never return again, and projections about the future ,that has not yet come ,although once the future becomes a present moment, it is real,
and the present , a past.


To a cave man, I was once wondering, we would be the future, and they would be the past ,if we had a time machine, and the coordinates to get there, to their past. But once gone, time is no longer a place to go.
Only memories we all retain in our mind.:rolleyes::D

[chandrakavi]

"YOU CAN PAY ATTENTION TO THE TIC TAC OF A CLOCK.

YOU MAY CONTEMPLATE A SUNRISE OR A SUNSET.

NEVERTHELESS THAT IS NOT TIME. IT IS ONLY MOVEMENT.

MOVEMENT IS THE FACTOR THAT DEFINES TIME.

FROM THIS TO THAT

FROM THAT TO THIS."


ZEN O'CLOCK by Scott Shaw

[auron]

"THE BROTHERHOOD HAS TUNED THE HUMAN CONCIOUSNESS INTO A FALSE PERSPECTIVE OF TIME, AND IN DOING SO , THEY HAVE DISCONNECTED HUMANITY FROM THE REST OF CREATION WHICH OPERATES ON A DIFFERENT VERSION OF TIME.THUS HUMANITY IS LIVING ITS LIFE OUT OF SYNCRONICITY WITH THE UNIVERSE. NO WONDER THERE'S SO MUCH IMBALANCE. IN TRUTH THERE IS NO TIME. IT IS ONLY OUR PERCEPTION OF TIME,THAT MAKE EVENTS APPEAR TO BE HAPPENING IN A LINEAR TIME LINE. " David Icke in The Biggest Secret
Interesting thread! The above quote by Icke is spot on.

You can actually experience no "time" yourself if you have a true out of body experience.

[chandrakavi]

Right Auron!:)

You can experience timelessness in out of body experience,
also when meditating since you stop the mind,
some Masters of the East say that Mind and Time are one and the same,
because you have to think about time,
and thinking makes it apparently real.
A great phrase heard on the media:

"It's 10 PM do you know where your children are?"

A great use of cronological time with fear.

[chandrakavi]

"This is not a time to fear and it's not a time to hide.
It is a time to sing and a time to dance.:):D

Take your partners, please. LET'S GO!"---DAVID ICKE ,THE BIGGEST SECRET

[cruise4]

Maybe our memory just increases.

[chandrakavi]

but memory is part of the past cronological time. The past is gone forever.
That has nothing to do with real time ,the present time which is all we have.
We all keep those memories stored in our heads, but we know they won't be returning, that is to say it one way our "FILES" we want to remember, what we liked, and didn't like, but its history, the past ,gone.

[chandrakavi]

People usually see time as a "from birth-to death" kind of thing,
sure it is Cronological, but it is based in a "fear of death thing",
and time does not end because a clock stops,or anyone dies,
even if the Earth is destroyed, because it is eternal. After all it does not exist as we concieve it, eternal time does not exist.

Eternal time is time wiith love, fearless.:)

[pedsi]

The only place time doesn'tis now;)

[pedsi]

Sorry Exist Is Wot I Ment To Say

[chandrakavi]

Yeap! I understand you!

[thoth]

How 3 dimensional brains interpret space.

[edit]

I have heard and read by David Icke, Osho, a mystic from India, Einstein,
and many wise men that TIME DOES NOT EXIST. which is so.
CHRONOLOGICAL TIME ,the kind of time we live in, and have invented,a day with 24 hours, 1 hour with 60 minutes, a year with 365 days and so on, it is something we have all agreed on, although it is not written anywhere to make things work according to rotation so we work during the day and sleep
at night, or viceversa sometimes.

iN INDIA THE MYSTIC OSHO DIVIDES IT IN cronological time, PSYCHOLOGICAL TIME, and EXISTENCIAL TIME.

Cronological time as I understand it is the time we all live being inside the establishment, the matrix time, the clocktime ,which has no meaning, and does not inted to, it simply wants to make us utilitarian. But it is a fake.

...

Fake or not,.. Full or empty,... The Crown of Things, or.. A Base as Every-tin...
Simply..

It IS A D-ish !!!

http://www.mysites.nl/upload2/sharapova/102604.jpg

Cheers!!

[chandrakavi]

Hi Edit!:D

Hey beautiful Dish! also the girl holding it, even prettier too!
IS that you? Came out very well in that photo.
Cheers andThanks!:D:D

[chandrakavi]

Albert Einstein was asked once and again "What is the theory of relativity!
this is how Einstein explained it to the layman;

"Sit on a hot stove and then one second seems to be almost like eternity,
nonending----it is so hot, it is so painful. And then you hold the hand of your beloved and sit by her side on the bank of the river on a full moon night,
and hours go like moments" This he used to say is the theory of relativity.

It all depends on you, on your psychological state. (psychological time)

The fool lives in time, the wise man lives in timelessness.
The fool lives in the mind, the wise man lives in no-mind.:)

[edit]

Cheers Dear Poet !


Åšruti - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaŚruti (Devanagari श्रुति, "what is heard") is a canon of Hindu sacred texts.They do not date to a particular period, but rather stretch across the entire history of Hinduism, beginning with the some of the earliest known Hindu texts, spanning into the modern period with the Upanishads.

Śruti has no author; rather, it is divine recording of the "cosmic sounds of truth", heard by rishis.


Kala (http://mythfolklore.net/india/encyclopedia/kala.htm)
Kala
KALA [Source: Dowson's Classical Dictionary of Hindu Mythology] 'Time.'

A name of Yama (http://mythfolklore.net/india/encyclopedia/yama.htm), the judge of the dead. In the Atharva-Veda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedas) Time is addressed as the source and ruler of all things. "It is he who drew forth the worlds and encompassed them. Being their father, he became their son. There is no other power superior to him."

The Vishnu (http://mythfolklore.net/india/encyclopedia/vishnu.htm), Bhagavata, and Padma Puranas (http://mythfolklore.net/india/encyclopedia/puranas.htm) state that Brahma (http://mythfolklore.net/india/encyclopedia/brahma.htm) existed in the form of Time, "but the Puranas do not generally recognise Time as an element of the first cause."

Vedas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Vedas (Sanskrit véda वेद "knowledge") are a large corpus of texts originating in Ancient India.

....According to strict orthodox Hindu interpretation the Vedas are apauruṣeya[2] ("not human compositions"), being supposed to have been directly revealed, and thus are called śruti ("what is heard").[3][4] Hinduism, sometimes known as Sanatana Dharma ("Eternal Law"), refers to this belief in the ageless nature of the wisdom it embodies.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Aum.svg/50px-Aum.svg.png

[kblood]

How 3 dimensional brains interpret space.

Many believe and I do to some extend as well, that our mind is what connects us to our spirit and soul. I believe our spirit is timeless, but our soul from what I have experienced, is not. I also believe that all of our body is linked to our soul and spirit, and without both mind and heart you wont be able to keep your physical self in contact with these.
But to say that the world is 3 dimensional and that our mind understands it in this way Im not sure I agree with. Since everything in our world is affected by time it must a dimension to it as well. There I think our world to be at least 4 dimensional.

Everything on our plane of existance is affected by time, and that which isnt affected by time isnt of this plane of existance, just here to... well we can only guess.

I have a memory of me trying to change time and succeeding. I was testing what would happen if I went fully aware and used it to its fullness. Something bad had happened I was told by the people who had been there when the... catastrophe happened. My memory of it is vague, but since the timeline might have been changed about this event, then I guess it didnt happen in this timeline anymore... mindboggling :D Well, I asked one of those who felt responsible for it to happen to focus on the time before it happened. I then with his help, and probably the help from other people around us at the time who also wanted the event to be changed, I got back in time and stopped the catastrophe. First I tried to use words, but I had to resort to riping even more in the fabric of our reality and pulled the person to me who was the catalyst. After this I guess I returned to my original place in time...

It probably never happened and believe me to be insane if you will, cuz that is indeed very likely. But I believe there is some logic to all insanity :rolleyes: At least it is a good story the way I see it. I havent tried timetraveling since... it simply seems too unnatural. I guess beings on higher planes might have agreed that the event was one that wasnt destined, but it probably just was my mind playing tricks on me.

I find time an interresting subject to discuss :D Thanks for starting it chandrakavi :)

I also comment on my belief of what time is in my thread called Oneness, the creation and concept of time.

[cruise4]

but memory is part of the past cronological time. The past is gone forever.
That has nothing to do with real time ,the present time which is all we have.
We all keep those memories stored in our heads, but we know they won't be returning, that is to say it one way our "FILES" we want to remember, what we liked, and didn't like, but its history, the past ,gone.

but memory is part of the past cronological time

Why is it chandrakavi? It certainly 'appears' that way I'll grant you. I'm thinking along the lines of 'access' and how that could be occurring. Just discussing here, not stating anything. Looking for input on the idea.
The future is remembering our past sort of thing.

[chandrakavi]

but memory is part of the past cronological time

Why is it chandrakavi? It certainly 'appears' that way I'll grant you. I'm thinking along the lines of 'access' and how that could be occurring. Just discussing here, not stating anything. Looking for input on the idea.
The future is remembering our past sort of thing.

Yes, I agree cruise4, we wil continue to remember our past until the end of our days.:)

[eternal_spirit]

Simplisticly...Time is past present and future.
A star is born, shines bright, then eventually burns out.

[cruise4]

chandrakavi... could you re-check your last post;) You've incorrectly credited me with a statement you made earlier in the thread. I missed the quotes out.
So you sort of misread what I was saying.

[kblood]

I have heard and read by David Icke, Osho, a mystic from India, Einstein,
and many wise men that TIME DOES NOT EXIST. which is so.
CHRONOLOGICAL TIME ,the kind of time we live in, and have invented,a day with 24 hours, 1 hour with 60 minutes, a year with 365 days and so on, it is something we have all agreed on, although it is not written anywhere to make things work according to rotation so we work during the day and sleep
at night, or viceversa sometimes.

iN INDIA THE MYSTIC OSHO DIVIDES IT IN cronological time, PSYCHOLOGICAL TIME, and EXISTENCIAL TIME.

Cronological time as I understand it is the time we all live being inside the establishment, the matrix time, the clocktime ,which has no meaning, and does not inted to, it simply wants to make us utilitarian. But it is a fake.

Psychological time is a fake although a bit less of a fake. One is more into his or her emotions ,feels time going by slower or faster according how happy or unhappy things are going ,still the day has 24 hours, but feels sdifferently. It has more to do with art, beauty ,dreams. Children live in Psychological time, no hurry at all, versus adults who are always in a hurry,
therefore misunderstanding is very easy among them.
Sometimes couples have a big fight over something not realizing he wants to get somewhere on time(he is living in the Cronological time) and she is taking her time tochoose a beautiful dress(psychological time)

Existential time, or REAL time ,has to do with meaning within us,
it is not CHRONOLOGICAL , not utilitarian, not psychological, not outer,
but the inner , there is no separation of past, present and futurre. The past is merely a memory, only the present exists, and teh future as not yet come,
(one of the reasons why politicians, Illuminatis an such, only SPEAK ABOUT THE FUTURE, because if they talk about the past they messed up things, and there is no longer an illusion that things might turn right , because we KNOW they turned wrong, in the present time everything is also wrong, so what can they talk about except the illusion of the future that has not yet come?)
The mayans of Mexico ahd a calendar withh each day being different, with 364 plus one day out of time. Years later the Vatican with Pope Gregoius changed that to the gregorian calendar we have today, a Cronological calendar, meaningless, UTILITARIAN only.

Time has been since a long time ago an Implanted belief ,on one side, and a necessity (just like money) on the other side.
If after a war, everyone dead, all cloks telling time ,but who needs to know? If man is no longer on the planet ,time will have died with human beings also,
since it was an invention.

Most people in madhouses, are living in psychological time, one has to get out of that illusiory time. and go to the existential. And being aware that although a fake the Cronological Time and psychological time are needed
to put us in order, including the people from the Old world order.
If we understand what time is, we will have understood one of the greatest truth. Also, although it can't be changed, one of the greatest systems of control ever, based on the earth's rotation day and night.
We are happy the way past present and future have been divided,
but we only have the present moment, the rest is feelings memories dreams,
and the utilitarian (work to earn a living)
Things won't change, all"different times" will continue to be used, understanding of it iiiiiis interesting.

To comment more directly on this INDIA THE MYSTIC OSHO instead of just telling about how I understand it. Cronological time, PSYCHOLOGICAL TIME, and EXISTENCIAL TIME. I think the Cronological time could be more correct if we could find a better system of measuring it. Like the old mayan system. Sounds like it was more correct, in astrological terms. Existencial time is something that applies to everything, but not at once as I see it. Im not sure time passes at the same speed for everything. So in some parts or for some elements in the galaxy, time might pass differently. I read somewhere that if two people syncronised their clocks, travelled around Earth in opposite directions, then the time they tell would be different when they meet each other again. As I see it cronological time for a clock is correct and running at the same timespeed as the enviroment around, but its sorroundings might not. Therefore existential time can cause it to run out of sync with global time centrals that are at a set location on earth. If what I have read is true (that existential time might affect cronological time this way) then time isnt as clearly definable and measureable as it is commonly believed. It could in fact be something that can be affected by energy or whatever.

Psychological time is something I believe to be able to affect existential time, although it of course is mostly bound by it. I myself have problems with this since I probably is living too spiritually, and not as "down to earth" as I should be. Something that is hard living with, but then I have learned exercises to bring body, soul and spirit closer together. Taking deep breaths and focussing on your body, relaxing yourself and thereby slowing my mind.

There are have been done alot of research on time, and some dont believe it to be strictly linear. That is that the timeline is possible more of a curve rather than a line. I will try to see if I can find any publications about it on the Internet. Maybe wikipedia got something on it :)

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An Inquiry into Experiences of Collective Resonance
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This document is intended to provide a brief but comprehensive summary of my doctoral dissertation research. I endeavor, in these pages, to convey the essence of the 315-page original effort for those readers who are less inclined, by virtue of time or interest, to read the academic document. Especially shortened are the review of literature and the findings sections in which, in the original, references to supporting research and many direct quotes are included. I hope, however, that the wholeness of the work has been preserved and communicated.

It is also my intent to invite the reader’s personal experiences of collective resonance to come forward. If it happens that something in this writing reminds you of a time of resonance in a group, any group, and you are willing to share it, I would like to know about it. The research continues in the form of a growing collection of remembered stories, and each one that comes forward amplifies the entire field. Please contact me at the address listed on the last page of this document.

If you would like to know more about the stories referenced in this research, share your own perspectives, order a copy of the complete dissertation or additional copies of this summary, or inquire about potential funding for further research in this area, please refer to the contact page also at the end of this document.

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INTRODUCTION
Approach
Scope
Collective Resonance Contexts
Rationale

METHODOLOGY
Choice of Method
Participants
Researcher
Data Analysis
Funding

FINDINGS
Elements of Experience
Shifting Factors
Assigned Significance of Experience
Recurrence of Felt Sense

INTERPRETATION
Reflection
The Importance of Collective Resonance
Implications of the Study

REFERENCES

CONTACT AND ORDERING INFORMATION

FIGURES

Figure 1: Visual Map of Elements of Experience (http://www.collectivewisdominitiative.org/papers/levi_exec_summary.htm#figure1)
Figure 2: Visual Map of Shifting Factors (http://www.collectivewisdominitiative.org/papers/levi_exec_summary.htm#figure2)



INTRODUCTION

We are at a crossroads in human evolution. We have arrived on the doorstep of the 21st century in great global disarray. Anxiety, hate, terrorism, and war are the pervasive themes of our time. We live in fear, and our dealings with one another reflect this undercurrent. We mistrust others in personal dealings, and group dialogues on important issues that affect our collective future are marked by skepticism and competition for perceived scarce resources. Our media capture and magnify it all—every unsettling detail—live and 24/7. This is dissonance: collective dissonance.

Even so, occurrences of resonance between individuals and within groups happen every day in situations in which people come together and experience intimacy and bonding, a felt sense of being in the flow or transcending, personal transformation, and sometimes the satisfaction of accomplishing extraordinary things

This is group magic, and these are the experiences that inform this study. They are extraordinary, but they are also ordinary in that they happen every day in all kinds of contexts and to people like you and me. They are difficult to describe, but we know when they have occurred. It is in the space between us, something beyond the level of intellectual exchange and felt in a different way than as a meeting of the minds. It is a meeting, but one of a different sort: it is a meeting of hearts, of souls, of energies, and memories, and although this group magic exists in the realm of physical space and time, it may reflect a dimension beyond the immediate interaction.

These experiences occur more frequently than we may know. They do not sell newspapers and therefore may go unnoticed in the course of a busy life, but they need to be brought to light and to be understood better because they serve as guideposts that point to ways of working and living together that sustain human life and spirit rather than destroy it. They are points of light that illuminate the way to a better world than the one in which we entered this century. The stories of these experiences need to be told in the voices of the individuals who have experienced them.

This study gathers and interprets experiences of collective resonance, the name I have given to the magic that is possible in group life. In it I explore the broad range of contexts in which people report experiencing this phenomenon and the many levels of connection that operate in them, including energetic, physical, intuitive, emotional, and spiritual as well as intellectual. I discovered in talking with athletes, military men, dancers, educators and students, construction workers, singers, police officers, corporate executives, weekend fishermen, and many others what the experience of collective resonance feels like, what they believe shifted their group into resonance, how significant the experience was for their life or work, and whether a similar sense recurred during the remembering and retelling of their stories.

Bringing this information to light is important, I believe, for two main reasons. First, by having access to examples of collective resonance, readers of the study may be able to recall similar encounters in their own lives, which will in turn raise awareness that it is available to us all and that its effects can be transformative. I also believe that increasing conscious recognition of felt experience actually amplifies the positive energy field around and between human beings and can affect decisions that lead to right action in the world.

Second, by understanding the components of such experiences, methods and practices can be created to help design and facilitate groups in ways that enhance the possibility of the emergence of resonance, again in service of decision-making that moves our societies forward, but also for the intrinsic satisfaction and joy that can heal the wounds already inflicted by a dissonant age.

The human spirit is not measured by the size of the act but by the size of the heart.

~~Billboard sign presiding over Ground Zero commemoration ceremony,
New York City, September 11, 2002



Collective resonance is, by my definition, a felt sense of energy, rhythm, or intuitive knowing that occurs in a group of human beings and positively affects the way they interact toward a common purpose. The word resonance means “re-sound,” which indicates a flow of vibration between two things, in this case two or more people. This study focuses on this aspect of group dynamics. Greater awareness and amplification of this level of connection between people and between groups and other, larger forces, I believe may help us find our way back to the knowledge and experience of our fundamental connections to one another and our environment and make greater progress toward our common human goals than we have been able to do using idea exchange and analytic problem-solving alone.

The word resonance has been used in many disciplines and in a variety of ways. In the following paragraphs I mention its meaning in the psychological and spiritual realms and focus on its definition in physics. A more extensive review of the literature, including related current research in the organizational arena, can be found in the complete dissertation. I want to note that there are other fields of research and practice in which the concept of resonance is central, most obviously in music, but these are not explored specifically in this research.

In the psychological realm the word resonance primarily connotes empathy and empathic connection. For example, the phrase “I resonate with that” commonly indicates an understanding or acknowledgment that the person has had a similar experience. In the spiritual realm, particularly in the Eastern traditions, resonance is central not only in terms of connection to the divine (through practices such as meditation in which a sense of unity with the universe may be experienced) but to human health and vitality because these philosophies (particularly the Indian, Chinese, and Japanese) are based on a system of energy and energy centers that affect wellness. This inquiry, although remaining open to all the connotations of the word resonance used by its participants, focuses on the physical and energetic aspects of group interaction and how they correlate with the natural laws of physics.

When human beings are in physical proximity, they interact on many levels. One is a rational/cognitive level in which ideas are exchanged primarily by way of words or gestures. The medium of exchange is largely symbolic in that whatever the person is feeling or thinking must be put into a communicable format such as language or facial or hand signals.

Another level of interaction occurs as an energetic connection between two or more individuals. Their bodies are also sending messages to one another through the medium between them—usually air—because each is vibrating constantly and affecting the electrostatic field around them. This vibration occurs because every cell (actually every atom and molecule) in the human body vibrates constantly (Childre & Martin, 1999; Cooper & Sawaf, 1997; Gerber, 2001; Hunt, 1996; Judith, 2001; Leonard, 1978; Lynch, 2000; Pearsall, 1998), and when they are organized into parts of the human body—organs, glands, muscles, and so on—they send rhythmic messages into the surrounding environment as vibrations. Some of these vibrations are audible and many are not, but all are perceptible to other living systems near the person in the form of sound wave interchanges. The human heart, in particular, sends audible vibrations into the surrounding environment but also affects the other vibrating elements within the body, acting as a kind of organizer of the frequencies of the vibrations of the other organs, tissues, and the cells that comprise them.

Collective resonance is a physical level of connection, facilitated by vibrational exchange, that operates constantly whether or not we are communicating verbally or are even aware of its existence. It is based on the laws of physics.


Each sound wave forms based on a combination of many frequencies. Some of the frequencies are multiples (harmonics) of one fundamental frequency particular to that object (e.g., a human body). Resonance is highest when the fundamental frequency is “heard” but even multiples of that fundamental frequency (harmonics) can create resonance, though the effect will be smaller.

It is the pattern of vibrations that, in the human being, feels most natural, hence, comfortable (and many times, energizing) and might affect the way in which the person ideally operates (by amplification of that state). Within the human system, such a state might be felt as a sense of harmony or being “in tune.” When waves are in tune, or have a fixed-phase relationship, they are “coherent” and build on each other. Meditative states are examples of this kind of resonance within the body and have been advanced as healing practices for cardiac and other bodily dysfunctions.

Resonance is also the phenomenon of the transmission of vibrations from one vibrating body to another in the absence of any contact with each other. This process can be understood as the impact of one vibration on another. Sympathetic vibration and forced resonance are terms for the phenomenon of resonance when the vibration of one body is altered by the vibration of something external to it (Nagata, 2002). In other words, bodies vibrating in close proximity affect one another in potentially different ways. One way is that the stronger of the vibrations overpowers, in a sense, the weaker signal, as in the case of the heart’s vibration regulating the other parts of the human system. Another is a situation in which the natural resonance of two or more vibrating bodies “lock into phase” or entrain with one another to produce a kind of harmony or coherence between them that not only feels natural but actually amplifies their connection. In physics, two sound waves of approximately the same frequency (or harmonic of the other’s frequency) will eventually entrain, or come together, and cause an increase in the amplitude of the wave. The energy transfer within the resulting system is considered optimal because the energy that comes to and from each oscillating (vibrating) body is natural to it. Itzhak Bentov (1988) called this a resonant system.

It is worthwhile to mention, at this point, the concepts of consonance and dissonance, which are related to but not the same as resonance. Consonance means “harmony; accord or agreement, harmony of sounds; a simultaneous combination of tones conventionally accepted as being in a state of repose” (Nichols, 2001, p. 435). Dissonance, defined by the same dictionary, is “disharmony; inharmonious or harsh sound, discord, cacophony; simultaneous combination of tones conventionally accepted as being in a state of unrest and needing completion; unresolved; discordant chord or interval” (p. 570). Unlike consonance, in which two or more frequencies combine to create harmony, resonance occurs when the wavelengths are exactly the same, that is, when two wavelengths of similar frequencies come together as one. I think it is interesting to note that in physics, dissonant waves are regarded as incomplete, unresolved, and seeking completion (or repose), whereas resonant waves are defined as having attained a state of rest.

When a specific fundamental frequency is created by any other object in the neighborhood of the original object, the original object responds to that frequency and that response is called resonance.


Applying the laws of physics to human interactions, one might wonder what are the effects of two or more individuals interacting with one another when the resulting “system” is resonant. What, exactly, does this resonance feel like to the individual human beings involved? How is it experienced and where (in the body)? What is the “product” of such gatherings? In what situations do they occur? What is meant by resonance when it is applied to human energy in group situations, especially natural resonance? These are some of the questions that arose for me as I read about the physical properties of resonance. They prompted this inquiry on the phenomenon I call collective resonance.

As mentioned earlier, my own definition of collective resonance is a felt sense of energy, rhythm, or intuitive knowing occurring in a group of human beings that positively influences the way they interact toward a common purpose. I believe that experiences of collective resonance are common but are not often brought to conscious (cognitive) awareness. They are felt experiences of synchronous connection, as in the physical sense, that affect the energy exchange in a situation and influence the outcome of whatever purpose the group is gathered to achieve. I believe that they are felt in a very powerful way although, again, they may go unnoticed in the course of a daily routine that is dominated by intellectual interchange and unrelenting activity. References are made regularly to awareness of this energetic layer of interchange in random or offhanded remarks, usually in other contexts, and these returned to me as I explored more deeply the stories within which these phenomena are reported to have occurred.


Approach
This study highlights collective episodes of resonance.


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[cruise4]

kblood you have slightly suprised me with that post... in a good way. But please don't rely on Wikpedia. Its zionist owned and does have severe limitations. Anybody can edit, delete and some have a hidden agenda to do so. Use it... yes, but always check other sources too.

[chandrakavi]

chandrakavi... could you re-check your last post;) You've incorrectly credited me with a statement you made earlier in the thread. I missed the quotes out.
So you sort of misread what I was saying.

you're Right, sorry about that!

[chandrakavi]

kblood you have slightly suprised me with that post... in a good way. But please don't rely on Wikpedia. Its zionist owned and does have severe limitations. Anybody can edit, delete and some have a hidden agenda to do so. Use it... yes, but always check other sources too.

I absolutly agree with you WIKIPEDIA is Illuminati 96% controlled media,
other sources have to be checked, people check wikipedia because it is more at hand when one is using the PC, but this has to be kept in mind
while you check information there.

[cruise4]

Hi edit - Or empathy for short.

[kblood]

Found something:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time#Cyclical_time

Here is the time theory about it not being linear. Or at least it seems like the one I was told about. Time travel is of course in science fiction alone, but then I dont believe most people capable of teleportation ;) Without the ability to somehow move at the speed of or faster than light, time wont be something you can slow intentionally, according to Einstein. Thats is how I have understood his theory at least.

Yes, wikipedia cant be trusted. That Illuminaty controls it 96% I dont believe. They are at most 0,5% of our populition according to what I have read about them, including what David Icke has written (the about 40 pages I have read so far at least :p), in my estimation anyway. They do of course have alot of influence if they truly operate so well.

Therefore it is a good idea to check the sources they link to in the articles and try to verify their credibility. Skeptisiscm is important regarding all information.

Very nice post about group magic Edit :) Thanks for that one. Group magic is by far the most powerfull I know of.

[kblood]

Just to make sure it is read even though it was a wiki link:
From en.wikipedia.com:
"Cyclical time
Main articles: Time Cycles and Wheel of time

The dharmic religions such as Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism, have a concept of a wheel of time, that regards time as cyclical and quantic consisting of repeating ages that happen to every being of the Universe between birth and extinction. In recent years this cyclical vision of time has been embraced by theorists of quantic space-time and systems theory. This view has also not been scientifically verified."

On the Wiki site there is links to the two articles, which are probably Wiki links as well.

[infinitely free]

"THE BROTHERHOOD HAS TUNED THE HUMAN CONCIOUSNESS INTO A FALSE PERSPECTIVE OF TIME, AND IN DOING SO , THEY HAVE DISCONNECTED HUMANITY FROM THE REST OF CREATION WHICH OPERATES ON A DIFFERENT VERSION OF TIME.THUS HUMANITY IS LIVING ITS LIFE OUT OF SYNCRONICITY WITH THE UNIVERSE. NO WONDER THERE'S SO MUCH IMBALANCE. IN TRUTH THERE IS NO TIME. IT IS ONLY OUR PERCEPTION OF TIME,THAT MAKE EVENTS APPEAR TO BE HAPPENING IN A LINEAR TIME LINE. " David Icke in The Biggest Secret

He is right!

[kblood]

He is right!

I missed that post at first. Great quotation there :) Thanks for bumping it as well. Im at chapter 10 now, so might not have read that part yet. Or I discarded it at first as being a bit far stretched... But thinking about it, it does kinda make a scary kind of sense. I wont believe it before I see what is in that other dimension, if it has a 3d sense of perspective as well. As I see it if they live in another dimension, they might just be more a sort of spiritual essences or souls. Maybe David Icke has some more later in "The Biggest Secret".

[lightbeing]

Somebody may have said this, but time is when 'events' happen, when nothing happens, time doesn't exist...............I read somewhere, if a tree falls down with no one around, would it still make a crashing noise?!...............:)

[cracksmoothie]

Forgive me for not reading much of this thread until now.

On to the question: what is time?

Simply, time is thought. They are two sides of the same coin. Thought is division. Thought, time and division are the same thing -- that is fact.

What does time mean to us?

It is a measurement. The result of the divisive nature of thought. We divide one second from the next and last. In that instant -- past, present and future exist, just as time exists. Without the movement of thought, there is no movement of time, therefore past, present and future are one. In the moment between thoughts time ceases to exist. That does not mean the world stands still. For that to be true, time would have to exist so that the present could be frozen. There is still movement everywhere, the difference is that it has not been snatched away from the 'whole' (or the universe) it belongs to. You do not say that the chair you are sitting on is the universe, do you? Yet logically it is true, just as you are the universe and the universe is you. It is the movement of thought that gives us the notion that our country is one thing, the world is another, and the universe is another, even if these ideas oppose the facts.

Something we know, is that we have yet to put a limit upon how far thought may divide things. Look at particle physics, where we have divided up the smallest subatomic particles into composite particles and so on. When we have found the smallest we agree that there exists things smaller still. I'm sure when the Large Hadron Collider (November 26th this year) is switched on many new things will be discovered -- although I have reservations about whether or not they'll find the The Higgs Boson.

Our entire society is built upon thought. We have my country, your country. My race, your race. My town, your town. My sorrow, your sorrow. My happiness, your happiness. It's gotten to the point where we cannot imagine the world if not in terms of division (thought.)

However, the irony of it is this: we consider moments that are completely devoid of thought to be the best times of our life. There have been many phrases attributed to these moments -- things like 'in the zone' and so on. It is not hard to recall these moments, as they are often the most memorable. It's funny that when this gap between thought ends, our first thought is 'THAT was amazing!' Dividing the present movement of thought from the past absence of thought. We use thought/division/time to divide and time thought!

As a side note: I am not condemning thought. It just needs to be said that there is a proper and good usage of thought, and that we are misusing it almost to the extreme.

[kblood]

As a side note: I am not condemning thought. It just needs to be said that there is a proper and good usage of thought, and that we are misusing it almost to the extreme.

Misusing thought? As I see it there are no wrong thoughts, only how you might reflect on those thoughts and react to them. Freedom of thought is even more important to me than freedom of speech. But then my view is rules are made to be broken to some extend anyway :p Making a rule about something just makes it more exiting to do. What is the fun in life without a few risks now and then? :confused:

Another possible view on time. Lifetimes of trees are sometimes 5 times or more than that of a human. For insects their lifespan is sometimes 24 hours or less. Think about how that affects their view of time (if they had one that is) ;).

Back to the cyclical time. It goes well with this theory as well. History and events repeats itself again and again even within events and within itself. A never ending circle inwards and outwards of us and other beings and elements all around us. As I see it Cyclical time is a fact. Wether or not that makes destiny true or patterns breakable I cant completely say. It just doesnt seem impossible to break old patterns to me.

In all levels of life it seems to adapt to its sorroundings as time progresses.

[auron]

There is no time. Just like there is no spoon.

[kblood]

There is no time. Just like there is no spoon.

I hope you dont believe the Matrix theory or perspective, too much. It is in many ways true. It is the way of thinking that allows for me to break the laws of physics ;) Still, I strongly disagree it to be simply a dream world. This might be the best way of life. Unless you consider always seeing things from above and having a really hard time to interract with anyway, let alone having anything to interract with, to be a "fun" way of life. I think we would only be able to just communicate thoughts on another place of existance, instead of what we are doing here.

I do believe you will all come to the same conclussion that although there is no spoon, it still is a nice tool for eating breakfast or stirring a cop of hot something :D and by the way, is bending a spoon with your mind not just a fancy way of doing something very human? In the end we still just have a broken spoon. ;)

[chandrakavi]

There is no time. Just like there is no spoon.

Hi Auron!

YES what that boy meant in the Matrix movie ,was since matter does not exist (said by scientists themselves), neither does the spoon, made of small atoms, "but our minds make it so". But since it doesn't "feel" that way, when Neo went to the city of Sion, he took the spoon with him so he could remember this, or else it would be imposible to remember and perceive it as something real.

A good comparison:):D

[i am all i am]

I LOVE YOU.

If "time" is a man made concept, how can it be a dimension ???

Does this also mean that "dimensions" are a man made concept and also not real ???

If you describe something dimensionally, or physically, are you really describing; left and right; up and down; front and back; inside and outside; male and female ???

If it takes "time" for something to be recognised, electrical signals moving through the physical structure and processed in the brain, does this mean that we, soul, are in the dimension of "now", and the body is the past description of the "now", as the mind is the future description of the "now" ???

THANK YOU.



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[chandrakavi]

I LOVE YOU.

If "time" is a man made concept, how can it be a dimension ???

Does this also mean that "dimensions" are a man made concept and also not real ???

If you describe something dimensionally, or physically, are you really describing; left and right; up and down; front and back; inside and outside; male and female ???

If it takes "time" for something to be recognised, electrical signals moving through the physical structure and processed in the brain, does this mean that we, soul, are in the dimension of "now", and the body is the past description of the "now", as the mind is the future description of the "now" ???

THANK YOU.



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Clock time, or best known as "Cronological time", is man made, . We are the beings that want to MEASURE everything, if there is nothing to do it with, we'll invent a way to do it. At the beginning the Mayas used the tip of their fingers to see the shadow of the sun in their hands. Finally we came up with the invention of the clock, and are still wearing, but were not born with it. But we always want to place things mathematically in order.

Dimension means, extent, capacity, magnitude ,size, in other words the dimension of time means "Measuring time" cronological time, man-made time.
so you can measure anything you like, and man can have fun with his mind doing it.

There are things that cannot be measured, and defy measurement
they are not part of a mind concept, the eternal is beyond reason and logic,
it simply IS

Time simply IS.
Night and day are simply consequences of ROTATION, so it makes sense with our clock AM AND PM. We declared a day has 24 hours, it could have been 100 or any other number, it is our invention. To which we are used and very very attached. It is quite necesary for the functioning of society so it doesn't fall apart, this cronological time, but it is of our making.
Time does not exist
concepts about time and other many things DO EXIST, will always be around,also BELIEFS, you can believe anything you want.
Real time is endless time, it is not measured
It is eternal. It is Oneness.

INFINITE LOVE

[kblood]

You really know your stuff chandrakavi :) Many posts from you so far that I can see is something you dont just babble on about. I dont think you make a post without thinking it through. Something I sometimes forget since all this excites me.

I wonder how you live your life? Being a senior member as the title says, you have alot more experience than me, like maybe wife and kids. Something I dont trust myself to be strong enough for... Maybe when I get some more stability in my life. Guess it should have been a private message, but I am kind of shy, and you dont seem to mind telling a bit about yourself.

So far it seems that I might be too much for a another person to live with... at least unless I get to accept myself better.

[kblood]

I have done some more thinking about the concepts of time. The others have probably come to some of the same conclusions... but with time-travel being a possibility in the future, it is therefore possible that our Earth didnt start out being hollow. It is simply what happened due to our Earth not having enough room for all the things going on here...

So to make it all happen without disturbing other timelines "aliens" make sure that we dont find the things in our world, that might prove that the future has already come back to our time, and endangers us all of the grandfather paradox... :rolleyes:

So therefore: Atlantis could be a future city that was built in the past and sooner or later become an underwater city. Probably on the bottom of the atlantic ocean, since the name might give it away, and the size and depth of it. Then there are big mountains like mount Everest. A mountain that big can hide alot of caves, people and so on, therefore it could also be a place for an ancient... or future city :) Yep, it is mindboggling to think about, but can answer quite a few questions about what David Icke has written...

Taken all this into consideration, it makes destiny, time, life and death seem like very fragile things, but kept in check by the "space-time-continuum" :p, karma and so on...

Well, I hope this made it more understandable than what other time philosiphors have written about the subject. Makes travelling seem a bit risky though :eek:

[infinitely free]

I have done some more thinking about the concepts of time. The others have probably come to some of the same conclusions... but with time-travel being a possibility in the future, it is therefore possible that our Earth didnt start out being hollow. It is simply what happened due to our Earth not having enough room for all the things going on here...

So to make it all happen without disturbing other timelines "aliens" make sure that we dont find the things in our world, that might prove that the future has already come back to our time, and endangers us all of the grandfather paradox... :rolleyes:

So therefore: Atlantis could be a future city that was built in the past and sooner or later become an underwater city. Probably on the bottom of the atlantic ocean, since the name might give it away, and the size and depth of it. Then there are big mountains like mount Everest. A mountain that big can hide alot of caves, people and so on, therefore it could also be a place for an ancient... or future city :) Yep, it is mindboggling to think about, but can answer quite a few questions about what David Icke has written...

Taken all this into consideration, it makes destiny, time, life and death seem like very fragile things, but kept in check by the "space-time-continuum" :p, karma and so on...

Well, I hope this made it more understandable than what other time philosiphors have written about the subject. Makes travelling seem a bit risky though :eek:

You mean whats hidden underneath is not from the past, but for the future?

[kblood]

You mean whats hidden underneath is not from the past, but for the future?

Yep, I actually do. You could try to look into it, but if some of the future is hidden in the present, I believe it is to be very difficult getting to see it. Being underwater and underground does make it very hard though ;)

[kblood]

A good example is the hollow earth theory. Look at a world map, and if you make some calculations on it, you will see that it is quite obvious that part of the map is missing. The hollow earth theory can be proven by science. Google map might be able to help with this, but to see it for real, you would have to travel to the "end of the world" :)

[infinitely free]

A good example is the hollow earth theory. Look at a world map, and if you make some calculations on it, you will see that it is quite obvious that part of the map is missing. The hollow earth theory can be proven by science. Google map might be able to help with this, but to see it for real, you would have to travel to the "end of the world" :)

Interesting!

[chandrakavi]

a guy asks another in a city:
"Hey can you tell me the tine?"
"No" replies the other
So the other guy insists until the other guy says rhis:
"Look it's like this.
I know we would become very good friends.
Eventually you would meet my daughter,
and since she is beautiful and nice to be wirh, you would fall in love with her
Eventually you would marry her and have children.
And I can't allow a guy who can't buy a decent watch, to marry her..":D:D:D:D

[ezbar]

There is an interesting book (science fiction) by Michael Moorcock called 'The Time Dweller' that has the concept of a world in the far distant future, the sun had dimmed and the moon had retreated and salt clogged the oceans.

In this a group of people have lived separated long enough and founded on a new principle, that time flows and there is no clocks there is only the present. It's very strange but eventually he learns how to manipulate time with his mind, by essentially breaking free of the shackles of our perception of it. A very interesting way to see the world.

[chandrakavi]

There is an interesting book (science fiction) by Michael Moorcock called 'The Time Dweller' that has the concept of a world in the far distant future, the sun had dimmed and the moon had retreated and salt clogged the oceans.

In this a group of people have lived separated long enough and founded on a new principle, that time flows and there is no clocks there is only the present. It's very strange but eventually he learns how to manipulate time with his mind, by essentially breaking free of the shackles of our perception of it. A very interesting way to see the world.

Very interesting, will have to look into that book,
seems to go further than science Fiction....!
thanks a lot ezbar.

[chandrakavi]

el tiempo es arte (Time is Art)
iin paradise there shall be time no longer.

[chandrakavi]

Heree is a quote from the SECRET on time:

"Time is an illusion. Einstein told us so. If this is the first time you hear about it, it may be difficult for you to accept this concept, because you see all that is happening, one after the other. What Eintein and Quantum Physics tell us is EVERYTHING HAPPENS SIMULTANEOUSLY.. If you can understand that there is no time, and acceot this concept, you'll see
that everythimg you wish for in the future already exists in the present.
If EVERYTHING HAPPENS AT THE SAME TIME, then the paralel version of you
already exists with what you want!

The Universe has no problem maifestng what you wish.
any tardiness in time, is due to time takenin bliving this, knowng ad feeling what youleady have. It is a abou entering nt th rquency f hat you want. Wheb you are hat frequency , what you wish for
wil manifest itself",

THE SECRET by RHONDA BYRNE

[auron]

Lovely post Chandrakavi! :)

[exmicrochipmafia]

Time is Space.
Space is time.
You can't have one without the other ergo the space time continuum.(sp?)
A watched pot never boils...I think it's basically what you make of it.
Personally I prefer 'Native Time.' Get there whenever the hell you get there and don't worry about it. :p

[chandrakavi]

Time and space don't exist.
they are related to one another because they are eternal and endless.
we live in cronological time and limited space,whoch doesn't mean things are so.
but that doesn't mean it is limited, it is endless space, and eternal time.

[serpentoffire]

Time is energy
Space is energy
Time and space can bend until they loop.
Time can be reversed

But now I have no more time. I have to go to sleep.
Good night guys.

[chandrakavi]

There Is Only One Energy,
And From That Different Ones Derived

Time, Existential Time, The Real, Is Certainly Energy

[sunyatta60]

We will solve the problem of Time
When we solve the problem of Mind.
Paul Davies Physcist

[mr_moon]

Heree is a quote from the SECRET on time:

"Time is an illusion. Einstein told us so. If this is the first time you hear about it, it may be difficult for you to accept this concept, because you see all that is happening, one after the other. What Eintein and Quantum Physics tell us is EVERYTHING HAPPENS SIMULTANEOUSLY.. If you can understand that there is no time, and acceot this concept, you'll see
that everythimg you wish for in the future already exists in the present.
If EVERYTHING HAPPENS AT THE SAME TIME, then the paralel version of you
already exists with what you want!

The Universe has no problem maifestng what you wish.
any tardiness in time, is due to time takenin bliving this, knowng ad feeling what youleady have. It is a abou entering nt th rquency f hat you want. Wheb you are hat frequency , what you wish for
wil manifest itself",

THE SECRET by RHONDA BYRNE

This is a lovely post- it relates to TRUST in ONESELF. Trusting that what you are doing at this very moment, trusting that with every new breath you make, things are the way they are meant to be. Whether your sub-concious mind is creating it or your conscious mind there is nothing you don't already have. Nothing you can't already achieve.

If we abandon the concept of chronological time in our lives and really live in the moment, understanding what we can achieve and what we can experience (through understanding that as soon as we 'think' it, it is already simultaneuosly happening in a different dimension) then we can become far more Joyful than ever before.

I believe that existence EXPANDS and is constantly expanding 'around' the previous dimension (or narrower dimension) and we have total control as to whether we accept or deny this...

... if we do genuinly live in the moment and accept the consequences of this (which can sometimes be extreme!!) then things become beautiful. We flower into REAL Human Beings- NATURAL instead of partly-manufactured.

MUCH LOVE
XXXXXXXXX

[mr_moon]

I believe we can already time travel... a lot of us do it all the time- and it is done in our MINDS!

Think about the past and you are travelling in time- think about an event in the past and CHANGE it (on a personal level) and you can see your current life reflect that change you made while you were time travelling... maybe. It would make for an interesting experiment...

Maybe, eventually, if we perfect it enough, we can actually manifest our physical bodies into the dimension we are thinking about... but this would mean that in theory, you would be there without the ability to move back into the time you existed before. You would have to experience the challenge, yet again, of developing as a Human Being and experiencing the world again, in the hope that you can change it this time.

A little bit like birth! Maybe that's what happens? When we experience 'cycles' in our Lives, maybe it is because we are thinking about the same things again or feeling the same emotions and we essentially, very subtly and seamlessly, time travel into a dimension we have been before...

...this could, i suppose, be called DIMENSIONAL TRAVEL. We are masters of it...

[chandrakavi]

I believe we can already time travel... a lot of us do it all the time- and it is done in our MINDS!

Think about the past and you are travelling in time- think about an event in the past and CHANGE it (on a personal level) and you can see your current life reflect that change you made while you were time travelling... maybe. It would make for an interesting experiment...

Maybe, eventually, if we perfect it enough, we can actually manifest our physical bodies into the dimension we are thinking about... but this would mean that in theory, you would be there without the ability to move back into the time you existed before. You would have to experience the challenge, yet again, of developing as a Human Being and experiencing the world again, in the hope that you can change it this time.

A little bit like birth! Maybe that's what happens? When we experience 'cycles' in our Lives, maybe it is because we are thinking about the same things again or feeling the same emotions and we essentially, very subtly and seamlessly, time travel into a dimension we have been before...

...this could, i suppose, be called DIMENSIONAL TRAVEL. We are masters of it...

This you describe iswht Mystics have called ASTRAL VOYAGE,
and right it has to do with time
in coming out of our bodies evry night
stof uws doit wiew dream nconciously,
Mystics do it conciously.
tey ow wherehe have gone and where they want o go
Yours,both, beautiful posts Mr.Moon!.:):D

[chandrakavi]

We will solve the problem of Time
When we solve the problem of Mind.
Paul Davies Physcist

Suelyt, once we realize time and mind are totally related
we will have the problem solved:):D

[sunyatta60]

Here is a good film about Time Travel based on Real Physics. I think the American Military have been engaged in this phenomena for at least 50 years but they are not yet telling anyone.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8242243689164201392&q=dannion+brinkley

The past, present and future are all properties of consciousness.
The past is recollection, memory; the future is anticipation; the present is awareness.
Therefore time is the movement of thought. Both past and future are born in the imagination; only the present, which is awareness, is real and eternal.
The best way to prepare for any moment in the future is to be fully conscious in the present.
Deepak Chopra

[chandrakavi]

Interesting film, thanks.
Most surely the military have been working on Time travel,
and many aspects of time secretly, must have had many findings,
not all disclosed of course:)

[steevo]

This is my favourite thread on the forums, I enjoy reading this stuff, it's sort of uplifting. I am gonna look on the internet about space time continuum cos I have always wondered what exactly it is. I suppose it will be a bit like quantum physics which is hard to get your head around.

I feel that cronological time is there to enslave us and we cannot now break free from it due to brainwashing. I think the reason I find this thread so exciting is because maybe it just might give the info needed to live free and to be what we truly are by thinking a certain way and truly understanding the concept of time.

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[sunyatta60]

Interesting film, thanks.
Most surely the military have been working on Time travel,
and many aspects of time secretly, must have had many findings,
not all disclosed of course

I agree with you, one of the best books I have read on this is Time Storms by Jenny Randalls I lost my copy and will buy it again it is a really good read with lots of case histories of people experincing time dilation time travel.

[sunyatta60]

Some excellent radio programmes from the BBC about Einstein and time in the first link. The second link is about God and the Archbishop of Canterbury is talking to John Humphries and so is Britian's chief Rabbi Dr Jonathan Sacs.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/science/relativelyeinstein.shtml

And the following link is about religious discussion which is interesting

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/programmes/misc/insearchofgod.shtml

[steevo]

Some excellent radio programmes from the BBC about Einstein and time in the first link. The second link is about God and the Archbishop of Canterbury is talking to John Humphries and so is Britian's chief Rabbi Dr Jonathan Sacs.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/science/relativelyeinstein.shtml

And the following link is about religious discussion which is interesting

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/programmes/misc/insearchofgod.shtml

Thanks for those recomendations I will definitely take a look at those. :)

[chandrakavi]

This is my favourite thread on the forums, I enjoy reading this stuff, it's sort of uplifting. I am gonna look on the internet about space time continuum cos I have always wondered what exactly it is. I suppose it will be a bit like quantum physics which is hard to get your head around.

I feel that cronological time is there to enslave us and we cannot now break free from it due to brainwashing. I think the reason I find this thread so exciting is because maybe it just might give the info needed to live free and to be what we truly are by thinking a certain way and truly understanding the concept of time.


Thanks a lot for your post Steevo,
at least understanding what cronological time enslaves us , all though we are forced to use it. Understanding well what TIME is, is one of the secrets that will free us. It doesn't mean we'll stop using it, but being aware of it is the answer.

[chandrakavi]

Hi!

Will look into that book called TIME STORMS, sounds very interesting,
might have something interesting in it. Thanks!:):D

[chandrakavi]

Your watch stopped
did time stop?

[kblood]

I have already wrote a bit about my view on time. I will repeat myself a bit again.

Since we are probably living in a "multiverse" as I see it, everytime someone timetravels, another "universe" is simply made by this. So someone might be able to travel back in time and kill his or hers ancestors, and still not go away, because he/she is from another timeline.

Another of my viewpoints is that someone might have travelled back in time (from the future) and built someone futuristic another place on Earth, knowing that it is a place that is not discovered for thousands of years anyway... So we could have alot of pockets around the world that could be ancient civilisations hidden somewhere, or future civiliations hidden somewhere. Lets say Earth actually does get destroyed somehow, then it would seem logical that the people in the future if possible would find a way to travel back in time and try to make sure that doesnt happen. This could then become a infite loop of travelling back and forth to fix it, and therefore always keeping everything progressing as it should, or best possible future anyway.

So we might might be the grand children of our grand children? :D

When it is possible for someone to see into the future or the past with psychic abilities, then it is only a matter of time before science find a way to do more than just looking at the future or past ;)

[serpentoffire]

http://media.outnow.ch/Movies/Images/1968/2001/dvd-film.ws/11.jpg

[ryanc]

For anyone who hasn't read it, I highly recommend John Zerzan's classic essay, "Time And Its Discontents," avaialable on many dusty corners of the web, but here's a link I know to be working---
http://www.insurgentdesire.org.uk/time.htm

I don't consider myself to be an anarchist per se, except perhaps in the spiritual sense, but I think Zerzan hits the nail right on the head with his analysis of what time is really all about.

[chandrakavi]

http://media.outnow.ch/Movies/Images/1968/2001/dvd-film.ws/11.jpg

"IFYOU ARE NOT AGAINST THE SYSTEM, YOU ARE THE SYSTEM"

To be against something first you need to belong to it.
If you want to be against the system first you need to have belonged to it.

The best is to never have belonged to it, then there is no need of revolt
against it.

In order to be divorced first you need to get married,
first you belong then you can be against it.

In order NOT TO WASTE SO MUCH TIME,
the best is to simply NOT BELONG, SIMPLY BE YOURSELF,

[serpentoffire]

"IFYOU ARE NOT AGAINST THE SYSTEM, YOU ARE THE SYSTEM"

To be against something first you need to belong to it.
If you want to be against the system first you need to have belonged to it.

The best is to never have belonged to it, then there is no need of revolt
against it.

In order to be divorced first you need to get married,
first you belong then you can be against it.

In order NOT TO WASTE SO MUCH TIME,
the best is to simply NOT BELONG, SIMPLY BE YOURSELF,

In fact I work inside the system.:D

[chandrakavi]

In fact I work inside the system.:D

W:De all are inside the system:D (we belong)
some trying madly to get out, others are happy there:D
where real time goes by, PSychological time, and Cronological time goes by for us.

[chandrakavi]

There is no time. Just like there is no spoon.

A great phrase from the MATRIX I movie.
The Buddhist boy there simply means to remind us that (as the scientists themselves have said) MATTER DOES NOT EXIST, everything looks stable and solid, and feels so also, but its atoms in total movement, our senses do not perceive it. We have to go BEYOND the five sense reality perception of life, and we will understand things deeply and profoundly.
The same that TIME is a man made concept, we need so everything does not fall apart,
CRONOLOGICAL TIME (clock time)
PSYCHOLOGICAL TIME (how we FEEL TIME GOES BY) it happens in 24 hours anyway.
EXISTENCIAL TIME, REAL TIME (In our inner being there is no time sensors on us) Time simply IS. It has always been and will be.
Man has made the division past-present future. Only the present moment exists.

Einstein, Osho, David Icke, Hawkins and many others have said that time does not exist. Einstein in his theory of relativity.

[chandrakavi]

"Time is a human "artificial" conceptual notion that has been conceived by mankind in order to measure the order and sequence of events... it's almost a mere perception of our transition from birth to death - i.e., our lifetimes.

Other than that, it has no real existence. It is not a traversable dimension, hypothetically or not, because there is no such thing as a continuum of time. Space time continuum is science fiction.
Let me explain: To use the very time-based term "forever", quite simply the universe has been around... forever. Sure, the "Creation" happened, but that was simply the most recent major event that has happened on a universal scale... that we are able to see through radio telescopes. But it doesn't mean it was particularly special... like the Alpha or something. In all probability, it was one of a long line of "Creations" that are the result of the pull of gravity sucking the entire universe in and consequently and conversely (due to Newton's Laws) the opposite reactive forces cause everything to explode out again creating a "fresh" universe.

We digress... So, essentially, as far as time is concerned, we live in a "static" universe, and when something moves from one point to another, it moves through space and granted it happens in a particular order, and granted it can be measured using a clock, but that is simply a point of reference. You are simply comparing the positions of the hands on a clockface at the start of the object's movement to the hands' positions at the end of the object's movement. And hence, we have mankind's measurement of time, and this same referencing method is used "universally" (so to speak) amongst all humans.

But there is no reference to any other point in time without involving the state of another separate object to measure it. If time truly existed, then we could measure the length of time of an event with reference to the beginning of time. But the beginning of time is unfathomable, incomprehensible. Some might say that it is because it is beyond human comprehension. But that's really just overlooking the concept that time doesn't exist at all. The fundamental objects that make up the universe (rocks, atoms, electrons, quarks, etc.) didn't just pop out of thin air one day. They have "always" been around (to use another time-based term!). The best way I can think of right now is to think back to Stephen King's 1995 film The Langoliers. Without the Langoliers, the place where the aeroplane passengers ended up would've existed statically without time (their clocks stopped, remember) "forever". But things could still be moved without reference to anything time-based. They made some fundamental mistakes like saying fire and smell could not exist without time, but they are simply objects just like anything else: ions and combusting gases, respectively."

Very interesting Pumma:D:D

[sunyatta60]

TIME TIME TIME

THE FUTURE
Well, it’s official. The news is out: “ There is no future!”
Please understand, this is not a message of despair, it is
simply a statement of truth. Contrary to popular opinion,
the whole of your life is not in front of you - it is here right
NOW! Save not your best, therefore, for the future. Do not
WAIT to give your best to the next job, the next time, the next
person, or, the next opportunity. Give your best Now! Because
Now (spelt backwards) means you have Won.
Thomas Allen

The distinction between past, present, and future is
only an illusion, however persistent. Time is not at
all what it seems. It does not flow in only one direction,
and the future exist simultaneously with the past.
Albert Einstein Physicist
``Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.''
Albert Einstein (1879-1955) (Einstein also advocated world government, the disarmament of nations, and dialectical pacifism,

In a continuum the universe can only exist in the “present”.
The past ceases to be as the “present” moves on, and the
future cannot exist until the “present” catches up with it.
The reason for this is that in a continuum we consist of
the same particles - moment by moment.
Patrick Fitzmaurice

The most plausible explanation is that the Universe only
exists in a dynamic present and that our concept of time
lies purely in the resevoir of our memories and our hopes
for the future.
Patrick Fitzmaurice

Thought and time are inextricably linked.
Thomas Allen

The past, present and future are all properties of consciousness.
The past is recollection, memory; the future is anticipation; the present is awareness. Therefore time is the movement of thought. Both past and future are born in the imagination; only the present, which is awareness, is real and eternal. The best way to prepare for any moment in the future is to be fully conscious in the present.
Deepak Chopra

That which is timeless is found now.
Lord Buddha

Time travel might be within our capabilities in the future.
Stephen Hawking Theoretical Physicist

[demiurge]

Everything flows and nothing abides; everything gives way and nothing stays fixed. You cannot step twice into the same river, for other waters and yet others, go flowing on. Time is a child, moving counters in a game; the royal power is a child's.
Heraclitus
Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.
Groucho Marx

[chandrakavi]

Each Day Is A
Gift
From Divinity
That's Why
We Call It The

PRESENT

[steevo]

Each Day Is A
Gift
From Divinity
That's Why
We Call It The

PRESENT

Lovely stuff!!! :)

[sunyatta60]

The Buddha taught:
"Do not pursue the past. Do not lose yourself in the future.
The past no longer is. The future has not yet come.
Looking deeply at life as it is. In the very here and now,
the practitioner dwells in stability and freedom.
We must be diligent today. To wait until tomorrow is too late.
Death comes unexpectedly. How can we bargain with it?
The sage calls a person who knows how to dwell in mindfulness
night and day 'one who knows the better way to live alone.'"
"Bhaddekaratta Sutta," translated by Thich Nhat Hanh

Today, right now, is worth more than all your tomorrows and
all your yesterdays put together.
Michael Davis

"Footprints in the sand of time" were not made by folks who stood still
Anon.

Today, right now, is worth more than all your tomorrows and
all your yesterdays put together.
Michael Davis

Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery,
today is a gift, that’s why we call it the present.
Dr Deepak Chopra

[chandrakavi]

[QUOTE=chandrakavi;188372][QUOTE=demiurge;187428]Everything flows and nothing abides; everything gives way and nothing stays fixed. You cannot step twice into the same river, for other waters and yet others, go flowing on. Time is a child, moving counters in a game; the royal power is a child's.
Heraclitus

I love the Greek philosopher Heraclitus wisdom on life.:):)
and about timelesness

[demiurge]

Me too, that s why I put it here. I think they are the most beautiful words of "poetry wisdom" a human beign can discover and charish.

[chandrakavi]

The meaning of the word TIME is= TIE ME:D:D:eek::)

[chandrakavi]

TIME TIME TIME

THE FUTURE
Well, it’s official. The news is out: “ There is no future!”
Please understand, this is not a message of despair, it is
simply a statement of truth. Contrary to popular opinion,
the whole of your life is not in front of you - it is here right
NOW! Save not your best, therefore, for the future. Do not
WAIT to give your best to the next job, the next time, the next
person, or, the next opportunity. Give your best Now! Because
Now (spelt backwards) means you have Won.
Thomas Allen

The distinction between past, present, and future is
only an illusion, however persistent. Time is not at
all what it seems. It does not flow in only one direction,
and the future exist simultaneously with the past.
Albert Einstein Physicist
``Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.''
Albert Einstein (1879-1955) (Einstein also advocated world government, the disarmament of nations, and dialectical pacifism,

In a continuum the universe can only exist in the “present”.
The past ceases to be as the “present” moves on, and the
future cannot exist until the “present” catches up with it.
The reason for this is that in a continuum we consist of
the same particles - moment by moment.
Patrick Fitzmaurice

The most plausible explanation is that the Universe only
exists in a dynamic present and that our concept of time
lies purely in the resevoir of our memories and our hopes
for the future.
Patrick Fitzmaurice

Thought and time are inextricably linked.
Thomas Allen

The past, present and future are all properties of consciousness.
The past is recollection, memory; the future is anticipation; the present is awareness. Therefore time is the movement of thought. Both past and future are born in the imagination; only the present, which is awareness, is real and eternal. The best way to prepare for any moment in the future is to be fully conscious in the present.
Deepak Chopra

That which is timeless is found now.
Lord Buddha

Time travel might be within our capabilities in the future.
Stephen Hawking Theoretical Physicist


It's greaat to know that wise, well known people through the ages,
had a clear definition THAT TIME DOES NOT EXIST.

[chandrakavi]

Time can not "speed up" as it has been said in many books and articles.
Because time doesn't exist. This is how we FEEL psychological time
we can create millions of theories about it, but again Time is a concept we
Humans have invented to organize ourselves.

When we are doing rutine things, we feel it slow,
when we are doing things we enjoy, it goes fast
depends on HOW we are living our lives....
That's all.

An illusion is an illusion fast or slow.

[chandrakavi]

The Illuminati "can speed up" calendar time cronological time
since they have an obsession for mathematics ,and "left over cronological time"
for peoples watch, that does not fit and has been left aside since centuries, so they speed it up, hour od differnce summer time, hour difference winter cronological time. Moon time cronological time has a pricise measurement NOT CALLENDAR.
so they can be mathematicall y correct in cronological time, in their UTILITARIAN time

No matter what they do, TIME DOES NOT EXIST :D

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[chandrakavi]

Cute watch Edit
but you are much more cute :D

[chandrakavi]

Back to the subject, a clock is made with LOGIC
whatsoever comes to CRONOLOGICAL time becomes OLD,
the body becomes old
but your centre is always fresh
it is eternally young.
The relevant point is BE HERE NOW.
Time does not exist, no mattter how expensive a watch may be. :D

[sunyatta60]

Hey Chand it is Chronological time and the illuminatie can do nothing about it. You keep writing Cronological time Cronos was a Titan. :rolleyes:
The fact is we all know that the Church altered the calender on some dubious pretext. Yet all the ancients the Mayans et al had a calendar year of 360 days and were not governed by the solar year of 365.
360 is a significant number especially if like the Mayans you believed in Circular time and not linear time; which they have all of the worlds people running too today.

[chandrakavi]

By cronological Time I mean calendar year I am not refferring to Cronos,
although I suppose that's were the name came was misused and bacame utilitarian.
I agree with you in all the rest.

[ichi wa zen]

There exists only now

[chandrakavi]

There exists only now

Time does not exist.
Absolutely agree with you
there is only now,
Meditation is the path.

[kblood]

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=8242243689164201392

Time Travel
I was surprised to find something that explains what I have been writing earlier about my beliefs in what time is. In this google vid, time is seen as a dimension of our reality and therefore traversable, which I agree with. It also agrees with me that time does not pass at the same speed everywhere. Some places in the universe, time might be passing much slower than it is here. Also, the faster you travel, the more time will slow down for you, and therefore, the longer time you spend travelling at high speeds, the further you will go into the future with less ageing.

So, lets take a look at the grand picture again, with these theories in consideration. If our solar system, or the whole galaxy, speeds up or slows down, then our chronological time will change. Only compared to other galaxies though, our other solar systems, if it is only our solar system travelling faster through space.

So about the theories about time slowing down or speeding up these days, these things should be taken into consideration.

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[kblood]

One thing that bothers me... If I travelled very fast for a long time, my time would move slower, and time in places moving at slower speeds than me, would therefore pass faster than my time does. In effect I would travel into the future, although it might not be more than nanoseconds.

But the other theory that if I move faster than the speed of light, then I timetravel into the past. But according to the first part, time would just slow down for me, and be faster all around me. Both theories are mentioned in the google video about time travel though? It used to seem logical to me with the faster than light theory, because if you move faster than time, then time would stop or go backwards. Our present though, is based partly on what we see now, and what we see in the present is all based on the light being reflected on the things we look at, and thereby seen with our eyes. So light, or energy, is the basis of our present, and therefore if we move faster than light, we would move faster than time... as we see it.

So I guess for the two theories to be true at once, then it all depends on wether you are moving faster or slower than the speed of light. If you travel very near the speed of light, but maybe just 10 m/per hour slower than the speed of light, you will be moving very fast into the future, because your own time will be near its stopping point, while time for everything around you traversing slower, will be passing faster. When the speed of light is reached, then time must simply stop, which is what Einstein has also said. The closer you get to the speed of light, the slower your acceleration will be, and your acceleration will have stopped before attaining the speed of light.

However, would we pass the speed of light, taken that it is the basis of what time is made of, then time would move instead of you? or you would age faster while time is reversing?

I am quite sure travelling back in time, physically, is possible. The theory I am not sure I understand yet though. Still, time makes the 4th dimension seem very much like how our 3d dimension would seem to apply to a 2d dimension, as shown in the video.

[swoarg]

time is just a measurement of motion but to travel to the future there has to be a future to travel to which means our future is mapped out if it were not mapped out than there would be no future to travel to :D

[withthespigotonhot]

Time is a abstract concept created by carbon-based life forms to monitor their on-going decay.

[kblood]

time is just a measurement of motion but to travel to the future there has to be a future to travel to which means our future is mapped out if it were not mapped out than there would be no future to travel to :D

The way I and the google vid clip explained it, it is not really travelling into the future, as much as it is slowing down time around yourself. So it works like cryogenics, without the freezing.

[chandrakavi]

Time is a abstract concept created by carbon-based life forms to monitor their on-going decay.

Absolutely so WITHTHESPIGOTONHOT!
Time is NOT a Hollywood film to entertain people, like BACK TO THE FUTUREI.II.III
interesting , BUT NOT REAL.

[kblood]

Absolutely so WITHTHESPIGOTONHOT!
Time is NOT a Hollywood film to entertain people, like BACK TO THE FUTUREI.II.III
interesting , BUT NOT REAL.

Oh there is a difference. You say time is not real, because everything happens at once. That is not how I see it. I agree that time is not real, but on this plane of existance, time is still a factor. Matter is not real either, but it is still real on this plane of existance. If we can move our conciousness beyond it, we can change it, both time and matter.

So your claim is that only the present exists? Then what of preminitions? What of prophecies?

[chandrakavi]

Oh there is a difference. You say time is not real, because everything happens at once. That is not how I see it. I agree that time is not real, but on this plane of existance, time is still a factor. Matter is not real either, but it is still real on this plane of existance. If we can move our conciousness beyond it, we can change it, both time and matter.

So your claim is that only the present exists? Then what of preminitions? What of prophecies?

Time is not real because it does not exist.
Now you seem to be interested in space travelling, yeah measurements are used ,cronological time(man-made also).
Time, and matter FEEL real, but have been proven that they are not. I too FEEL
things hard when I bang the table, will always feel that way, but isn't so, scientists can prove that.

Yes cronological time, measuring time has to be a factor, so society will stay in some order,
wether this be space travel, or knowing "what time it is ", it is a need to "know the time"
people feel strange without a watch, people have been taught to "rock around the clock".

Premonitions have to do with intuition, your right side of the brain, not the reasoning side of the brain the left side, it is how you feel things, not how you think them, it is from the
heart, heart felt. how animals know about a weather siituation before it happens and fly away, that has nothing to do with time.

About prophecies, that has to do more with religion ways, different organized religions, different prophets, different prophecies. Be they mayan, or whatever, since it has not yet happed people tend to be scared, and believe in this, after all "it could be so".
Remember many said that the year 2000 THE WORLD WOULD END" ,well didi it?
Nostradamus prohecies are until the year 3.795. So a lot of cronological time before the end, as the prophets of doom have said. They have most of the time not been right,
and this is something like politics, if they are right they are considered great prophets,
of a certain religions, if not well...we ca nforget about. This has to do with organized religions, nothing to do with time, although they are interesting. They have to do with religious knowledge. The mayas made a calednar based and meaured by the moons, and in their calednar there is a "day outside the calendar", that day there was no time. Prophecies are religious stuff, and dit is another matter.

[kblood]

Time is not real because it does not exist.
Now you seem to be interested in space travelling, yeah measurements are used ,cronological time(man-made also).
Time, and matter FEEL real, but have been proven that they are not. I too FEEL
things hard when I bang the table, will always feel that way, but isn't so, scientists can prove that.

Yes cronological time, measuring time has to be a factor, so society will stay in some order,
wether this be space travel, or knowing "what time it is ", it is a need to "know the time"
people feel strange without a watch, people have been taught to "rock around the clock".

Premonitions have to do with intuition, your right side of the brain, not the reasoning side of the brain the left side, it is how you feel things, not how you think them, it is from the
heart, heart felt. how animals know about a weather siituation before it happens and fly away, that has nothing to do with time.

About prophecies, that has to do more with religion ways, different organized religions, different prophets, different prophecies. Be they mayan, or whatever, since it has not yet happed people tend to be scared, and believe in this, after all "it could be so".
Remember many said that the year 2000 THE WORLD WOULD END" ,well didi it?
Nostradamus prohecies are until the year 3.795. So a lot of cronological time before the end, as the prophets of doom have said. They have most of the time not been right,
and this is something like politics, if they are right they are considered great prophets,
of a certain religions, if not well...we ca nforget about. This has to do with organized religions, nothing to do with time, although they are interesting. They have to do with religious knowledge. The mayas made a calednar based and meaured by the moons, and in their calednar there is a "day outside the calendar", that day there was no time. Prophecies are religious stuff, and dit is another matter.

But then how is it that scientists prove that matter is not real? I find the "everything we sense is just electric signals in our brain", a quite weak proof of it. Of course that is how we have to experience everything, but how does that make everything less real? Also to define what is real and what isnt, something has to be defined as real for something else to be defined as not real, otherwise we would have no way of measuring real from unreal.

This plane of existance, this reality, as I see it is something we experience. I believe it is multidimensional and that we can change what is real and how we pass through time with our mind. To do so we have to grasp the belief of it all being an illusion to make it into a new one.

[kblood]

Another way to put it, as I see it, several scientific experiments has proven time to be real, but what is said in the video I posted and was posted before I did, then time flows at different speeds in different places of the universe. Time is bound to matter, which makes sense to me anyway. So I believe we can move move back and forth in time, or at least move forth and back.

I agree that prophecies are likely to be deceptions, but preminitions I believe to be a possible future. Changeable, but still a preminition. I am still not certain if timetravel back in time is possible, but what is explained in the video is most of all, that time can be made to move slower for you, and therefore faster everywhere else. It is not exactly time-travel like back to the future. At the speeds we can reach today, it does not even seem to be seconds that we move into the future. The russian guy mentioned has so far done the most "time-travelling". There are other accounts of time-travelling though, on project Camelot. As far as I can tell, from what I have read there so far, it seems the timetravel there is through the mind. Travelling into your own future, and then returning to the present. That is my guess though.

But your claim is that since time is not real, there is only the present? That just makes everything happening at once seem less possible for me. With everything happening at once, then timetravel is possible, since it is just another place in our multidimensional reality.

[chandrakavi]

Scientists proved that matter (hard kncoking stuff is not real), becasue they found it is not matter ALL IS ENERGY. Neutrons, they havae seen matter under miscroscopes.

The time machine is a great fantasy, a longing, i still like it myself, in movies, and it is something many people fantasize with, it is a human longing to going back to the past that once was, and the future that has not yet arrived but will become present. It would be great if such thing could be achieved. The Nazis at the end of the war, were found to be working in making a time machine, H.G. WELLS(a freemason) wrote some beautiful fiction stories that I liked , throughout human history, you will continue to read about this human LONGING, and it is understandable. But it is a human fantasy, which I myself like also, but realize it is just that, a fantasy, not a reality. So until the end of times you will find people writing about the existance of time, videos on it. You ought to read what EINSTEIN has to say on this, Hawkins(a scientist, read his book BRIEF HISTORY OF TIME), on time,after all he knew a lot more than videos that can be found on internet or google.

Premonicion, C.G.JUNG ,talks about that, it is the opening of the subconcious mind,
which is usually very closed, so things can be perceived better, the mind for a short time is more open, you ought to read a book by C,G,JUNG, MAN AND HIS SYMBOLS, quite interesting, where he speaks about this, i know you will enjoy it. Also how through dreams we get solutions to many things. And the mind perceives , in premonitgion as it IS, no division, no separation, no past , present , future. Only the present moment.

Spiritual masters sspeak of astral atravel, out of the body experiences, at night time,
but that surely has nothing to do with the existance of time, it is where they speak
of the 7 different bodies of humans, physical, astral, spiritual, mind, etheric,cosmic, and nirvanic. In the East they know time doesn't exist also.

The mayas, who have a calendar, described each day WITH A DIFFERENT ENERGY,
they knew time does not exist, but placed an energy order to things and lived according to that.

By the way, H OW CAN YOU TRAVEL TO YOUR OWN FUTURE IF IT HAS NOT HAPPENED YET?
Night and day are a consequence of rotation, not of time as it seems.
We are a planet floating in space, where all ouur species live. It is easier to believe time is real, that way ,you follow the establishment. For the establishment to run in order, time is needed, or else everything would fall apart, it is man-made.

timetravel, at the speed of light, and all those measurements, iis not travelling in a time machine, it is going into outer space, which is fine, done to discover other planets, but it is not going to the past or the future,

When you start meditating, you will realize this as an experience, before that videos etc is all theory.

[kblood]

Scientists proved that matter (hard kncoking stuff is not real), becasue they found it is not matter ALL IS ENERGY. Neutrons, they havae seen matter under miscroscopes.

Yes, all matter is energy, which is why it can all be seen as an illusion, but still doesnt make it less real. You still need to have something to claim as real before anything can be claimed not to be real. Otherwise what is real and what is not real, cannot be measured at all. I do not see why matter being energy makes it less real. Yes, it is the reason why we can change what is real, because it is not as solid as it seems, but still it is more "solid" than anything else we can define as solid. What else is there?

You say we cannot go into our own future because it hasnt happened yet, but what I am saying is that time does not exist, because in one plane of existance, everything happens at once. Past, future and present. Still nothing is certain, we might know of the future and therefore make another one. Just like it is very likely that there is parallel universes, something science has also been on about. Everything has an age, even planets has an age, so time exists, no matter how we define time. Maybe it is only virtual, but then so is everything else, ergo it is not any less real than you, me or matter.

Some theories are on about in the beginning of times, there were nothing, then came a conciousness, and it created matter. Therefore the phrase, "the universe is dreaming itself awake". I do not remember where I got that one from, but it seems to describe it all quite well. Einstein also claimed our reality to be an illusion, although a very persistent one.

[chandrakavi]

Do your own research, how Einstein explains that time doesn't exist.
not in internet, in books by him. interent didn't exist then.
gotta go now. and remeber ALL IS ONE, we live in ONENESS.
we live in a WHOLE, not separate parts.
Ccientists are coming to the conclusion that all is not energy,
ALL IS CONCIOUSNESS.

[kblood]

Do your own research, how Einstein explains that time doesn't exist.
not in internet, in books by him. interent didn't exist then.
gotta go now

Well... what I was writing about is based on Einsteins theories:

One of Albert Einstein's greatest insights was realizing that time is relative. It speeds up or slows down depending on how fast one thing is moving relative to something else. How much does it change? In this feature originally designed for students in 1996, "Captain Ein" and "Major Stein" have volunteered to help you find out. Send Captain Ein on a round-trip journey to a star and then compare her age with Major Stein's on Earth.—Jenny Lisle

You say both time and matter is not real, and I agree that neither isnt when looked upon from another part of our human form, like the astral. From what I can tell, space time doesnt matter for the astral body we have, only our mind makes it feel so.

You write that my way of viewing time is the way of the establishment, but the establishment only want us to believe in the present, and that we cannot move back or forth from the present. At the same time, I would say you contradict yourself, since if everything in our present moment is an illusion, then the memory of our past is just as real as our present, and all in our head. Yes, the establishment want us to believe in the utilarian time, but why do you say they want us to believe that time is relative? That is what Einstein is claiming, but most others do not agree on it.

The fact that moving faster than the speed of light ought to bring us into the past is also Einsteins theories. As I see it, only our mind is able to surpass the speed of light, so for matter to do so is either impossible or very difficult.

It has even been tested and proven, as shown on the bottom of this page, where I got the quote from:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/einstein/hotsciencetwin/

[aizzy]

TIME DOES NOT EXIST.

I kinda think time is mirrored by flesh, if we stop the aging process we stop what us earthlings know as time, and if we stop dieing we put stone mason out of business because they make the headstones?

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It's the edge of the world
And all of western civilization
The sun may rise in the East
At least it settles in the final location
It's understood that Hollywood
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Pay your surgeon very well
To break the spell of aging:eek:

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[kblood]

I kinda think time is mirrored by flesh, if we stop the aging process we stop what us earthlings know as time, and if we stop dieing we put stone mason out of business because they make the headstones?


Yea, I believe that if we can make our mind stop believing in time, it has the power to stop our bodily aging as well. Doesnt most of those eastern monks, buddhists or whatever they are, usually get quite old?

[chandrakavi]

Well... what I was writing about is based on Einsteins theories:



You say both time and matter is not real, and I agree that neither isnt when looked upon from another part of our human form, like the astral. From what I can tell, space time doesnt matter for the astral body we have, only our mind makes it feel so.

You write that my way of viewing time is the way of the establishment, but the establishment only want us to believe in the present, and that we cannot move back or forth from the present. At the same time, I would say you contradict yourself, since if everything in our present moment is an illusion, then the memory of our past is just as real as our present, and all in our head. Yes, the establishment want us to believe in the utilarian time, but why do you say they want us to believe that time is relative? That is what Einstein is claiming, but most others do not agree on it.

The fact that moving faster than the speed of light ought to bring us into the past is also Einsteins theories. As I see it, only our mind is able to surpass the speed of light, so for matter to do so is either impossible or very difficult.

It has even been tested and proven, as shown on the bottom of this page, where I got the quote from:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/einstein/hotsciencetwin/

NO, IT IS SAID THAT TIME IS AN ILLUSION, not the present moment, .
people mostly live in memories of the past, or longings of the future, people "postpone" (the future), or in old age remember the golden days of the past.
past is gone, the future has not happened yet. People don't live in the PRESENT,
Those that do live in the present live in ONENESS, in ETERNITY.

Eintein did not say time was relative, he said TIME DOES NOT EXIST.
He said from a scientific point of view: life is relative, since everything is permanent change.

A good example is the politicians, observe then. They KNOW the ycannot talk about the PAST, they promised everything and failed, they KNOW they cannot talk about the present, becasue everybody is pressuring them to do what the ysaid, and the yare not doing it, so THEy CAN ONLY SPEAK ABOUT THE FUTURE. Surely a bunch of nnaive masses will believe them, maybe this time things will work, and it happens again. When the future becomes present, it is the same hoax all over again...

Time and mind are the same. A division, a duality.

As Buddha said: "The fool lives in time, the wise man lives in timelessnes. Thge fool lives in the mind, the wise man lives in no-mind."

Once tasted all theories and foolishness will disappear.

[chandrakavi]

Yea, I believe that if we can make our mind stop believing in time, it has the power to stop our bodily aging as well. Doesnt most of those eastern monks, buddhists or whatever they are, usually get quite old?


Absolutely ,the monks leave the body and die. That is why people have a tendency
to believe in TIME, because of the death of the body. The death of the body has nothing to do with time.But pasing from birth to childhood and teen age, and old age makes people think so. By the way, some scientists have found that aging is caused in
the human body by a gene, if this is found we should have a natural death,
but would not grow old,the body would be young until the end, nor have illness, as much. But if this is discovered,
overpopulation in the world would be astounding, since we would live longer than 115 years, as some of us can today.

It is the fear of death, aging, the death of the body, that makes people believe in
time as the beginning and the end. No soul there. The body would not be alive if it were not for the soul. And after leaving the body ,the soul will find a NEW different body.Re-incarnation.

How old is the Planet?. How old are we?; just this time around in this earth, or the many times we have returend
to this planet? We are timeless, we are eternal.

TIME DOES NOT EXIST, AND WILL ALWAYS BE A SYSTEM OF CONTROL

[kblood]

As I have posted before, I believe I have tried living in oneness or experienced enlightenment. Enough to see how much we can shape. What you are claiming is that mind and body is the same? Are you claiming that everyone you know is living in the same present moment as you? Even though they are f.ex. travelling the Universe(ours), in different galaxies?

My claim is that the only way for us to live in the same present moment is when we are in active contact with each other. You say Einstein said there is no time, but what I have seen him say is time and matter is an illusion, which is basicly the same, so he might have said it both ways. Still he could not deny times relevance. My claim is that when we die, we have the choice to go whereever we wish, even if we wanted to reincarnate in the past, and live a life we might have been told we had already lived. The fact that we were told so might then have caused us to do so. The less we know about this previous life, the more free choices we then have in that life. So, what I believe to be our present moment, is where our mind is, and that our mind is not in our body unless it focusses on being so, or maybe rather focusses on not being outside the body I guess.

Wether we believe time exists or not, you have to agree that our actions in the past will influence the future of ourselves and others. So will our inactions therefore as well. So I am becomming really curious about how you live life without believing in the existance of time? Do you plan for the future? Do you "waste time" remembering the past? I try to mix it all. These days, I try to live as much in the present as possible, but if not remembering the past, then it seems a bit wasted to even have one, and if not planning for the future, then others might begin to wonder why you did not by them a birthday present, why you did not pay whatever in time and all the other stuff that our 3d/4d whatever reality demands of us.

[kblood]

I believe we can already time travel... a lot of us do it all the time- and it is done in our MINDS!

Think about the past and you are travelling in time- think about an event in the past and CHANGE it (on a personal level) and you can see your current life reflect that change you made while you were time travelling... maybe. It would make for an interesting experiment...

Maybe, eventually, if we perfect it enough, we can actually manifest our physical bodies into the dimension we are thinking about... but this would mean that in theory, you would be there without the ability to move back into the time you existed before. You would have to experience the challenge, yet again, of developing as a Human Being and experiencing the world again, in the hope that you can change it this time.

A little bit like birth! Maybe that's what happens? When we experience 'cycles' in our Lives, maybe it is because we are thinking about the same things again or feeling the same emotions and we essentially, very subtly and seamlessly, time travel into a dimension we have been before...

...this could, i suppose, be called DIMENSIONAL TRAVEL. We are masters of it...

I believe I already tried looking into the future. I was trying to make a good future for a friend of mine, and with her I tried to see her future. About going to disneyland. I am guessing it was the one in France, but I do not know, since I havent been to any of them myself. It was a night were I was once again in touch with oneness (or I believed so). The future I saw (or we, but I am not sure if she was aware of it, or remember it like I have) was a Disneyland with very few people. According to that future at least France (if that was the place) seemed to be in for some trouble. I guess it could just have been Disneyland closing? I guess if everyone awakens, then that might happen. At least the place seemed to have been closed or lacking money and power to be kept up and running. In this future she was 70 or older though, so it must have been around 2050-90. Probably most likely that the future I saw was my imagination playing a trick on me. It felt alot like our minds connecting though, felt quite strange. Was a night of many events that felt quite powerfull, but then, when first my mind begins tuning in to it, then strange events seems to become common.

But my point about time being real, and yet an Illusion is that I believe we do create both our past, present and future, in more ways than we would probably like to admit. The problem about chaning any of it is we would have to find alternative actions, and better actions, foreseeing the change in the timestreams, and get the changes accepted by higher beings to have the changes allowed. Having a Stargate or a "timemachine" might make changing time seem easier, but I believe higher beings are still keeping an eye on things. That is my experience anyway, but that is hard to explain. It is more of a feeling that they do, since they are sensable, but not having been in physical contact with them, makes it hard to explain. I guess it is my intuition that several times has told me of the presence of such beings. Lately I have imagined them to be in UFOs, and that has made it easier to... imagine them. When feeling their presence, I have begun guessing a UFO is probably nearby. With UFOs being invisible then hard to tell. The kind of UFO I have been closest to seeing is one that seemed to be a 3-4 person one. If my intuition is correct though, there was one at one time so big that it could have millions on it. A UFO so big I imagined it to must have covered all of the visible sky. Made me think about how a craft of that size might in fact be able to change the speed of Earths rotation by flying around in our atmosphere. Then again, it probably has to follow some certain energy lines to be able to fly around in our atmostphere without crashing.

I believe to true higher beings to be beings of energy though, without the need to use UFOs. Beings of purer energy anyway ;)

[chandrakavi]

As I have posted before, I believe I have tried living in oneness or experienced enlightenment. Enough to see how much we can shape. What you are claiming is that mind and body is the same? Are you claiming that everyone you know is living in the same present moment as you? Even though they are f.ex. travelling the Universe(ours), in different galaxies?

My claim is that the only way for us to live in the same present moment is when we are in active contact with each other. You say Einstein said there is no time, but what I have seen him say is time and matter is an illusion, which is basicly the same, so he might have said it both ways. Still he could not deny times relevance. My claim is that when we die, we have the choice to go whereever we wish, even if we wanted to reincarnate in the past, and live a life we might have been told we had already lived. The fact that we were told so might then have caused us to do so. The less we know about this previous life, the more free choices we then have in that life. So, what I believe to be our present moment, is where our mind is, and that our mind is not in our body unless it focusses on being so, or maybe rather focusses on not being outside the body I guess.

Wether we believe time exists or not, you have to agree that our actions in the past will influence the future of ourselves and others. So will our inactions therefore as well. So I am becomming really curious about how you live life without believing in the existance of time? Do you plan for the future? Do you "waste time" remembering the past? I try to mix it all. These days, I try to live as much in the present as possible, but if not remembering the past, then it seems a bit wasted to even have one, and if not planning for the future, then others might begin to wonder why you did not by them a birthday present, why you did not pay whatever in time and all the other stuff that our 3d/4d whatever reality demands of us.

Living in the present, does not mean you stop living your life, live the cronological time for what it is knowgly. Knowing that time does not exist, does not mean i don't do my duties, work, be creative,enjoy life. Living life in the present does not mean seating down do nothing and drink coke, absolutely not!
It is merely an understanding, but for a millionth time, you have to live in cronological order, a man-made order, it has to be used,do the normal things that need to be done.


The difference from he who knows time does not exists and he who does, is a matter of
understanding.


your actions that you may reap later, is what you did in the present time, that will become past time. and you will have memories of that throughout your life.

I can't understand why knowing something will prevent you from living your life in a normal way. Actions ARE IMPORTANT,

SO MOST PEOPLE "USE TIME" KNOWING IT DOES NOT EXIST, the cronological time
has to be lived.

people who believe the world is not flat, or that time does not exist, or that the earth is not the center of the universe, are no strange peope, and live their normal lives,
just like you do, but understand something thoroughly.

But if believing in time is more confortable for you, that's fine,no drama,
you and I won't live a different routine life, but the perception will be quite different.

Yes in many ways i remember the past, in a way that is not a waste,
remeber my loved ones, that is a function of the mind. I also dream when i sleep,
i eat when i am hungry ,and sleep when tired, and celebrate when happy.Wear a watch, to meet a friend, i wear all the man-made things of the world.

It is a bit like asking someone, : how do you live your life believing the world is round?
does that information change your ways in any way?

A routine is a routine, It can be done with automatic pilot, no problem.
So live in the present, live in the world but be not of it.
If not you will understand it further on in life.

Best to you Kblood,

[kblood]

I did not mean it as a bad thing, I was just wondering if it changed your life anyway. What I am trying to get at, is wether our beliefs are all that different at all. As I have said before, I do believe in the fact that time does not exist. It just seems we have very different views at what this then entails. What I think time not exists suggests, is that the future, past and present is all the same. That part of us is merely focusing on the moment we think of as the present moment. Our body, brain and soul is what keeps our focus more persistently in this moment. Astral travel is according to Einsteins theories able to travel back and forth in time, although it is only by combining his theories with the existence of an astral body. He says matter or energy will reach a weight closing to infinity the closer it gets to the speed of light. The astral body is not bound in the same way by our physical world, so our astral body ought to be able to travel back in time.

Seeing the future, and travelling to the future in a astral body, I have heard stories about both, and both seems very plausible to me.

What you are saying is there is only one present moment for us all? That has been disproved, both spiritually, and scientifically. They have had a pilot fly around Earth at 500mph or faster, and when he landed his atomic watch was compared to one that had stayed at the exact same spot, and they were a few nanoseconds apart. Einstein as well claimed that time did not flow at the same rate, or only in one way. This is why Einstein said time is an illusion. What makes time not real is that we are not all in the same moment as one another. So cronological time is the illusion, not real and something we cannot fully rely on. On bigger planets in our solar system, the difference is not just temperature and gravity, but also the flow of time.

As I see it, what truly makes time an illusion is that I believe we can change how fast time goes in our mind, and probably even stop the aging of our body. With practice, I believe each of us can control time to some extent.

So far, I havent been able to figure out what your perspective on what the non-existance of time is, and what its effect actually is. Your claim is that we only believe time is passing, and we all exist in the same moment at the same time? That only one moment exists? I would think this also makes it an illusion that anything ever changed, that 50 years ago could not become present day again.

I do not understand what your perspective really is, other than there is no time. The present moment for each of us is always the same? That just seems very much what was the belief, and still is the belief of most people. Most people believe time cannot be traversed in anything other than science fiction. If that is true, then I would say that makes time even less an illusion. It even makes time the dominant factor in all of creation if true.

[lostwonderer]

Am confused on one point,if time does not exist then why do we grow old?

[kblood]

TIME TIME TIME
The distinction between past, present, and future is
only an illusion, however persistent. Time is not at
all what it seems. It does not flow in only one direction,
and the future exist simultaneously with the past.
Albert Einstein Physicist
``Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.''
Albert Einstein (1879-1955) (Einstein also advocated world government, the disarmament of nations, and dialectical pacifism,

In a continuum the universe can only exist in the “present”.
The past ceases to be as the “present” moves on, and the
future cannot exist until the “present” catches up with it.
The reason for this is that in a continuum we consist of
the same particles - moment by moment.
Patrick Fitzmaurice

The most plausible explanation is that the Universe only
exists in a dynamic present and that our concept of time
lies purely in the resevoir of our memories and our hopes
for the future.
Patrick Fitzmaurice

Thought and time are inextricably linked.
Thomas Allen

The past, present and future are all properties of consciousness.
The past is recollection, memory; the future is anticipation; the present is awareness. Therefore time is the movement of thought. Both past and future are born in the imagination; only the present, which is awareness, is real and eternal. The best way to prepare for any moment in the future is to be fully conscious in the present.
Deepak Chopra

That which is timeless is found now.
Lord Buddha

Time travel might be within our capabilities in the future.
Stephen Hawking Theoretical Physicist

According to Albert Einsteins quotes here, he agrees that time is not linear, does not flow in only one direction. That time is something relative, and not just something that can be used to measure movement, but can be used the other way around as well. To use movement to measure time.

I have been rereading the whole thread once more to see if I could understand your perception of time Chandrakavi. Seems many really belief that we are locked in a linear time, which makes time more real than anything as I see it. Not an illusion at all...

How is time any less real if only the present exists, time only moves forward, and is the same no matter where you are or at what speed you are moving? That is not what Einstein wrote about, or had theories about.

Unless it was a lie, then it already have been proven that Einstein was right when he said our time slows down the faster we move, although it isnt much. The jetplace around Earth, an atomic clock on the plane, and one on the ground. They started out being syncronised, but werent after the jet had landed. Time had flowed differently on the jet. Time and matter is connected, and relative to each other, although both illusions.

Unless we can move back in time though, time is not a dimension of its own. Moving forward in time, not much trick to that unless you can move back as well, or it would be like cryosleep. Having the body age slower than everyone elses body. Just to be clear, we do agree that the body aging is also an illusion we help create by the utilarian time we use worldwide?

[auron]

I think it's time for a joint.

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[auron]

Time.....

http://www.infowit.com/images/time_graphic.jpg

24/7

Past, present and future.

Something we all know to be true, because we was taught it as a child in the indoctrination centers (schools).

Ya know, i have had out of body experiences where chronological time ceases to exist. Everything just is!!

Try it sometime, and you will see what i mean. It's the same feeling you have in a dream!

Robert Peterson - Out of Body Experiences.pdf

http://www.badongo.net/file/2727476

Anyway, what time is it?

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[kblood]

I have already read the book you linked Auron, very recommendable :)

I have found a page on wiki that defines beliefs in timetravel:

Time travel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It goes into how it might be possible. I cannot find anything about the special relativity theory being tested practically. It should not be all that difficult placing an atomic clock at a fixed spot here on Earth, and then have a pilot travel around Earth a few times with another atomic clock, and then compare the clocks.

What I found on this Wiki page does seem to descibe your belief Chandrakavi:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presentism_(philosophy_of_time)

The belief that only the present moment exist, but neither past or future does. Seems this page describes it rather well, but as the page say, Einstein does not agree with presentism. His theory is that time is relative. Matter is relative to time and time is relative to matter. Same goes for light as well.

One of the wonders of time is starts :) Some og what we are seeing in the sky might have stopped existing millions of years ago. What we are seeing in the sky is therefore the past, although it is our present. I believe presentism does not make time not exist. It just makes time not a 4th dimension, but as I see it, it also makes time more real, and less of an illusion.

Is there any difference between your belief in time and that it doesnt exist, and the presentists theory of time?

[kblood]

I have been thinking about ways to prove Einsteins theory about time slowing down for someone or something when moving close to the speed of light. What seems the easiest way to test this, after given it alot of though, must be with the fiber-optics that is to be the future of the Internet. Fiberoptics transmits data with lightbeams. At some point we probably have a way to send a signal around Earth. So it could be tested by having a signal send to a spot on the other side of Earth, and then have that side of Earth send the signal back to us again. The signal should transmit what time it is, so the data it transmits is time measured in nanoseconds or less. First of the response time has to be measured. How long does it take the signal to get all the way around Earth? After being sure of this, then it can be tested how long it takes to transmit a signal with our current time and see if there is a difference. Since light would be the transmitter, it would be very close to lightspeed, with a few places resending the signal.

[chandrakavi]

As I have said before WIKIPEDIA as a source of information is ILLUMINATI controlled
information, one has to be aware of that.Some stuff is ok, other not so much. Other stuff is completly invented , other flat ,some absent. The "presentist theory" never heard of it,
and as I see comes from weekipedia. Living in the present is not a "theory". But each to his own.

No there is no difference between non existance of time, and living in the present, in ONENESS ,where
there is no time.

The stars we see in the sky ,and no longer exist, because light took long to arrive to us,
in a way are illusion some ,are not solid as we like to think ,once existed ,so they are like a movie to us, like scientists explain. We did not see them explode, or destroyed at the time it happened, lioght brought it later to us as images, and still look beautiful.


In your experiment, the light will show you what happened long ago, like a movie,
terrific. You seem to have a scientific mind. So maybe most of that can be seen when the moment comes. Hoow can matter be relative to time, if the scientists have said that matter does not exist?
unless you think otherwise.Which seems so, in your research.
They say only ENERGY exists.
I believe this has been said before.

You are talking abouut measuring time, using different words, which is fine, mathematicians will continue to try, "till the end of time"

As it has been said somewhere, "reality is simply there, waiting close to your heart, near your eyes, close to your hands. You can touch it, feel it, live it, but you can't "think it"
And much thinking has been done on this.
IT IS ALL IN YOUR MIND.

The past is no more and the future is not yet: both are unnecessarily moving in
directions which don't exist. One used to exist, but no longer exists, and one has not even started to exist. The only right person is one who lives moment to moment, whose arrow is directed to the moment, who is always here and now;wherever he is, his whole conciousness, his whole being, is involved in the reality of here and in the reality of now.
The present is the golden gate.
You can be in the present if you are not ambitious, because all ambitions lead you into the future.
These tenses--past , present and future--are not the tenses of time; they are tenses of the mind.
Present is what is before you and is slipping out of your sight. Soon it will be past....
Everything is going to become yesterday
It is better not to cling to the future--hopes, imaginations, plans for tomorrow--becasue tomorrow will become today, will become yesterday. Everything is going to go out of your hands Clinging will simply create misery. One has to let go.

[chandrakavi]

"THE BROTHERHOOD HAS TUNED THE HUMAN CONCIOUSNESS INTO A FALSE PERSPECTIVE OF TIME, AND IN DOING SO , THEY HAVE DISCONNECTED HUMANITY FROM THE REST OF CREATION WHICH OPERATES ON A DIFFERENT VERSION OF TIME.THUS HUMANITY IS LIVING ITS LIFE OUT OF SYNCRONICITY WITH THE UNIVERSE. NO WONDER THERE'S SO MUCH IMBALANCE. IN TRUTH THERE IS NO TIME. IT IS ONLY OUR PERCEPTION OF TIME,THAT MAKE EVENTS APPEAR TO BE HAPPENING IN A LINEAR TIME LINE. " David Icke in The Biggest Secret

A good reminder by David Icke

[kblood]

A good reminder by David Icke

So the difference between your belief in time and the presentists view, is that you do not believe in neither a linear, cyclical or block time? As I see it, the presentists view is a very liniear timeline, since the present will always become the past and as you say yourself, every moment will become yesterday. So your view on time, existing or not, must be that it is linear with no more than the moment being real.

So I guess you would see time as more real, if it was traversable? If matter was relative to time and time relative to matter, then time would be more real, since it was something relative on its own?

From my experiences so far, I guess I have only seen one thing that could prove past and future to also exist, but I cannot be certain if that was a trick of the mind or a grand illusion as well. I liked it though, like you like the hollywood kind of timetravel. What I have experienced more than once though, is changing the present. Making something that did happen, become something that didnt happen in the present, although memory claims it did. The thing that to me proves what we see and feel isnt as real as it seems. Undoing the effects the past ought to have done in the present moment. Most usefull when it comes to wounds, but what makes it different from regeneration is that it is not just my wounds healing, but whatever happened to my clothes as well. It returns to a past state, but in the present. I cannot prove it though, the proof of it was destroyed, most of it anyway.

The experiment I mentioned is to test Einsteins idea, that something moving very fast will have its own time slow down, and therefore everything around it speed up. It ought to apply to information sent with light as well then, so sending a signal telling the current time with nanoseconds, or even more precise, around Earth a few times if it is possible to get a fiber connection all around Earth. As I wrote before, it should first be noted how long it takes the signal to travel around Earth that many times, the delay there is. After this it then is to be measured if the signal telling the current time only accounts for the delay. If Einstein was right, then it ought to show a higher delay on the time the signal shows, than the delay there is on the signal sent.

We do agree that time and matter is an illusion, yes? And Einstein said it was, although a very persistent one. I know it is an illusion that can be at least somewhat broken with the mind, but according to Einstein the illusion can also be "bend" with physics.

What do you believe makes everything seem real then? Is it our collected conciousness with everything we know and remember, which adds up in oneness and creates our present? Energy is real, and matter is energy moving at slower vibrations. Time is created by measuring the movement of energy, so time is also created by energy. The illusion of time and space therefore comes from energy, which we both seem to agree on. I just wonder, do you not believe since what we see around us is all just energy, doesnt it then seem possible that we can at least change the present? Like I claim, bend the laws of physics with our mind. Chi seems the best proof of it so far, and since it has been so provable, scientists has had to agree on it to be a scientific fact, but thereby also claiming it to not be supernatural.

What do you believe is the driving force behind the illusion of our reality? Reptillians, spirits, god or whatever might exist on higher or lower planes? Is it us that creates it? Maybe through oneness? If we create it, do you then believe we can change its rules? Rethink it, to make the reality change for us and others in ways that science would not agree to be possible?

[swoarg]

personaly i think its straight forward for humans anyway we think we are some thing special and seem to be looking for anything to prove that but dont apear to have found much at all, we are just a part of everything and time is totaly irelevent designed to keep us under controll :confused:

[i_am]

linear time is what we have in this 3D illusion, in which we currently reside, to make sense of something that is incomprehensible to our limited perception.

[sunyatta60]

How to Slow Down Time With Your Mind

By Enoch Tan
Author of Reality Creation Secrets

Your spirit operates outside time and space. When there is an emergency where danger is about to approach you faster than you can normally sense, your spirit will compel you to act quickly without pondering. It directs you through your instinct and reflexes. Think of a time when you moved out of harm's way in an instant and the move was so spontaneous it seems that everything just flowed in the moment. Your awareness of what was happening and your response happened without hesitation, but so quickly that it was almost together at the same time.

That is because your spirit can observe things and sense reality beyond your ordinary rate and range of awareness. Imagine that a dagger is flying towards you from the side. In ordinary rate of awareness, there is simply not enough time to notice the dagger coming and to move out of the way. But in the realm of your spirit’s awareness, time is slowed down to a crawl and it can fully perceive everything that is happening no matter how quickly. It sends the message to you and in that moment you experience the spontaneous and seemingly simultaneous knowing and action. The awareness comes just before the action but it seems that time slows almost to a standstill during that moment of thought. Perception and action become as one.

If you want to consciously perceive faster so that things don’t seem to happen so quickly, you have to slow time down in your consciousness.

It is not time that slows down but you that slows down. See in your mind’s eye and memory things slowing down. Like a picture frame frozen from a movie in motion. It is the way you experience time slowing down or stopping when you see a beautiful person of your dreams.

It would be an advantage for anyone to stop the world or at least make everything appear to move in slow motion. It would give you time to analyze the situation and the actions of everyone and everything around you. It gives you extra time to determine your actions in a pressure situation. This would would be incredibly useful in business, driving your car in traffic, playing games, military combat, sports and life threatening situations.

Be Fully Alive to This Moment

Perceptive awareness is being fully alert and living fully in the moment. It is seeing the trees bend in the wind and the way the birds circle overhead. It is sensing how the trees feel and what problems and joy the birds are experiencing. It is experiencing the full moment around us and not just our little thoughts. It is clearing the mind of future events and past replayed scenes, so you can experience the entirety of the current moment in time. It is putting yourself in the full frame picture now in front of you in relationship to everything happening around you. It is being fully alive. With that kind of perceptive awareness, a moment can seem to you to last forever.

A master baseball batter is apparently able to slow things down when he’s at the plate. To everyone else, the ball would be rocketing toward the plate at approximately 100 mph, almost faster than the eye can see. But to the focused athlete, the ball seems to slow down just for him, and present itself to him.

This is what many of the best batters have this in common. Somehow, when they need to slow things down to make their big play, they are able to perceive everything happening in slow motion. The ball rolls slowly up to the plate and is easy to see, often appearing larger than life. It’s almost as if the ball is waiting for them to hit it. To everyone else, the ball is racing to the plate at a blistering speed, curving, skinking, and breaking in waysthat make it almost impossible to track, let alone hit.

This is truly time manipulation, since the perception of the person who seems to manage this trick is that time has been stretched longer or made shorter. Since this is the perception of the magician, and becomes the way he acts upon the world, it becomes that person’s own functional reality. It’s really a consciousness shift and an expanded awareness. And yes, it is real magic as we will see.

When playing baseball as a batter, allow yourself to focus consciously on the location and speed of the ball. Clear your mind of all noise and clutter. Get unnecessary thoughts out of your head. Tune out all sound and distraction around you. Simply focus on the baseball being pitched to you. Focus your intent. Imagine hitting it squarely and watching it sail far through the air. Concentrate on your abdomen and visualize projecting energy from this “will center”. You must want to hit the ball and will it to happen. See the ball big and bold. Fixate on the ball. See only the ball and focus your total intent and will on the ball. Did the ball appear to be moving slower than normal? If so, you are well on your way to becoming a master of time manipulation.

For most rapid perception, attention must be at its maximum focus on the area of the thing to be perceived. You must intend to see everything you can in that moment of looking. When you focus only on the thing you are looking at, things surrounding will become dimmer and out of focus while moving in slow motion together with it.

How to Experience Timelessness

To experience timelessness, you need to focus intently on the moment at hand. You cannot allow your mind to wander over events of the past or wallow in deep concern over the future. You must be in the present moment, fully alert and clear headed. In short, you must be totally involved in the “now”.

You must not fear but be calm and have a heightened state of awareness. Fear collapses time. You do not want to collapse time, you want to expand it. Awe is one of the feelings that expands time and slows it down. The opposite is true, things that move in slow motion likeness create a feeling of awe. Fear and awe are very similar and yet very different feelings. Fear causes you to be totally unseeing and blind to the action of the thing you are afraid of in the moment. Awe causes you to be totally seeing and taking in the fullness of what you are looking at.

Scientists have shown that mild anxiety can improve performance in some instances like a 100 meter dash, a musical performance, or even an exam. But for the most part, a full-blown autonomic response is not adaptive in most of these circumstances. These are classic instances of what the Taoists would call getting in your own way.

The ancient Eastern masters from various traditions such as Taoist, Buddhist, Hindu, Zen, Sufi and many others recognized this feature of the human nervous system, and so found antidotes to it. These were awareness and equanimity. They cultivated a calm temperament through meditation and breathing exercises, which you can think of as strengthening the parasympathetic response.

As a result, the Eastern masters were able to develop a very strong and nearly imperturbable presence. Because they were not getting in their own way, in the face of danger they were pure action, maximally effective. This cultivation fed into a hyper-aware state of mind, which, interestingly enough, seems to block out emotion-based responses.

Empathic healers who tranfer energy to others in therapeutic touch reach a level of heightened alertness, which is classified as hyper beta brain activity. This is a state of “superalertness” similar to the keen alertness that Zen masters have been observed to reach in closed-eye meditations. In this state, the healer is acutely focused on one thought or activity, tuning out all peripheral distractions.

You can also heal or comfort yourself in this manner. In this heightened state of consciousness, you can focus on any area of pain or injury and send healing energy to that area in thought forms. Similary, you can use your hands to help or to heal, using your hands to project and conduct that healing energy.

A concentrated mind is not an attentive mind, but a mind that is in the state of awareness can concentrate. Consciousness or awareness is never exclusive, it includes everything. It is not a constricted concentration but a relaxed and free one. When you get into the calm and unperturbed state of mind of conscious awareness, you can perceive easily and nothing can happen too quickly for you. When you are able to slow time down in consciousness, you can use time as the ultimate weapon. Nothing can stop you but you can stop anything. Time is the ultimate illusion. All time is mental.

By using the principle of “it is not time that slows down but you that slows down”, you slow down your actions to slow down the rate of things moving around you in consciousness. Then once you have that increased rate of perception, you can start moving faster again with much greater control and effectiveness. This is the secret of slowing down in order to go faster. Do not hurry because hurry manifests fear and collapses time. Only when you are calm are you able to perceive things in slow motion.

Act as if you have all the time to do everything you want.

Every time you slip up on an action or have a hesitation, it’s because you overlapped a proper sequence of things and it just cancels out in your mind. Maybe it’s because you were in a hurry. Your mind can only do one thing at a time, yet each may be done at the rate of microseconds, giving the illusion of many things at once. If you actually try to do many things at once, nothing happens. We’re referring to the conscious awareness here, although your subconscious can do many things simultaneously. It is your conscious awareness that uses rapid perception in order to slow time down.

Time is an illusion, only consciousness is reality. Who is to say that only a certain amount of things can happen within one second and not more? There are times when people encounter life threatening situation and in the moment, their whole life passed in front of them. As their precious life hung in the balance, for one split second, they took stock of their life, including their loved ones, unfulfilled dreams and unrealized goals and made a momentous decision that saved them in virtually no time at all.

Maybe you experienced moments like this before. It is a state of superconsciousness. Everything seemed to slow down. Things seemed to appear in slow motion. You saw your loved ones and they seemed to be frozen in time. You considered logical arguments and argued them through the steps to completion. All of this takes a long time normally, but for this one instance when you are so sharply focused and alert, you play it all our in one magical moment, a moment that you seemed to control.

You can perceive things in slow motion and still let your thoughts and actions flow at the “same speed”. It is all relativity. To you, time around you slows down but to an outside observer, you become phenomenally precise and in control. When you are able to perceive faster, you also possess the ability to respond faster. Each second of your time becomes stretched and you can have increased rate of movement within it. Your time is increased compared to other people’s. Those watching with normal rate of consciousness will see you moving like flashes of lightning with sudden bolts of speed.

You can also use your mind to increase your own rate of movement to phenomenal levels. Think of yourself moving at extremely high speed that is beyond the ordinary. And act with that mental state. Think speed and you manifest speed. Time manipulation and phenomenally fast movement like all mind powers, require you to be in the right state of consciousness to be of effect.

The best ballplayers, it seems, have learned how to manipulate time whenever it suits them. Perhaps they do this without a great deal of thought or analysis, but they certainly employ all of the key factors of time magicians. They focus their intent, engage their will power, and energize their thought forms. This is personal magic. This is personal power. Everyone can do it. The superstars just do it more easily and more often than the rest of us. We say that they are gifted or superhuman. They are simply focused, intent and willful.

All champions have one thing in common, they have learned to sieze the moment. No matter what situation we are in, there is always a cubic centimeter of chance that appears in the moment for us to accomplish what we want. The trick is to be alert enough to seize the moment and then have enough personal power to execute the appropriate move at the appropriate instance. Impeccable warriors are fully alert and fully aware of the physical world.

Everybody knows that under normal conditions when heroics are not on the line, a person cannot pass a ball through a crowd to a selected teamate who scores, all in less than one second. Under normal circumstances, most people cannot even locate a person in a crowd in less than one second, let alone pass the ball to him. This demonstates over and over again the elasticity of time.

There’s a young swimmer who came out of nowhere at the end of a race to eclipse the field. She always found a way to win, and would “pick her spot” to “make her move.” Still, it seemed uncanny how she could close the big gap between herself and the race lader at the end, when you consider she had to swim nearly twice as fast as she had been swimming throughout the rest of the race.

It’s like the track sprinter who digs down at the end of the race to bolt like a cannon to victory at the end. To the observer, it looks as thought they are running against opponents who are moving in slow motion. How can somebody who’s been running at top speed suddenly double that speed at the end of a race, when they should be the most tired? It’s an obvious display of will power, focused intent, and energized thought power, whereby they conceive of miraculous victory and believe it is possible. And whatever our consciousness can conceive, the body can achieve. Since everything is consciousness, the physical world is only an illusion.

Move Into the "Zone" of Higher Performance

You can cope with daily emergency situations and daily challenges where you need extra time and powers that heightened awareness affords you. You can run faster in less time and slow down events when needed by altering your perception of time and space. Some of the greatest athletes do it. Heroic rescue teams do it. You can do it too.

You can meditate anywhere and reach a state of heightened consciousness and timelessness. Surely, star athletes in action do not stop everything that they are doing to sit down in perfect posture and slowly number their bodies to enter this state. They have learned to do it within the flow of events. They pop in and out of this state, as needed. They do it quickly and almost effortlessly with practice. It becomes a learned behavior. Soon your total self will sense the opportunity or need and shift you to that new, higher level of consciousness. Then everything slows down in front of you, so that you can respond.

If you watch top athletes who gets into this “zone”, as sports people often call it, you will notice that their eyes seem to glaze over or close halfway for a brief time. They might even appear to be going into a trance. That trance, of course, is the altered state of consciousness known to meditators. They go into a state of higher consciousness very briefly. A split second can seem to last much longer to a person in this state because there is no time or normal laws of physics in higher consciousness.

Most people think that spectacular athletes simply try harder when they “turn it on”. Certainly, they do find extra energy and move with greater speed in less time at these moments, almost as though time for them was standing still. These golden moments in an athlete’s life are truly magical. They can see everything happening in slow motion around them. They have all the time in the world to make amazing moves. They can run faster, think faster, and jump higher than anyone else. And all of this comes by slipping momentarily into higher consciousness, a nonphysical reality where time does not exist and the normal laws of physics do not apply. What’s even better, they operate in these golden moments with a higher consciousness that thinks faster and better than the normal, physical consciousness that people use.

Remember that you control time as you experience it. As an agent of change, you control the only real measure of time. This is because time only occurs with change. The theater of events around us is interpreted by our personal perception of change. Your perception will be somewhat different from mine, although we might agree on many things we observe together. Because of your unique perception, you create your own reality. You also create your own sense of time as an agent of change. Time simply measures change. Beyond that simple function, time is nonexistent. There is really only the “now”.

Since time only operates according to perception of it, you can manipulate time by controlling your perception of it. Your higher consciousness exist in the realm of timelessness. Stay in a state of heightened awareness in order to make your perception of time stand still. It is a matter of personal time perception and a focused intent to stay in the now. There are people who use such time powers to transverse great distances in very little amount of time and cause limited resources to last far longer than normal as though inexhaustible. Such are the miracles that happen when time and space are altered.

Slow Time Down and Stop the World

Sword masters and ninjas all use this “slowing time down” and “stopping the world” with the mind technique to accomplish amazing feats of lightning fast combat which normal perceiving people can hardly even comprehend how it is humanly possible for themselves to attempt.

We miss ourselves. We are so busy out there in our minds, in the mirror, on the phone, on the pc, listening to deafening music, overtaking, seeking power, status, labels. The boy racer feels alive, excited, when he is near a near death opportunity! Adrenalin pumping, over excited, showing off, seeking attention, seeking power, seeking approval, fearful. Fight or flight that we cannot see the signs. We make mistakes, we miss turnings, we lose or forget things. Because we lose the plot, we lose reign of our senses.

Only when there’s an accident, a car crash, a thump on the head, a slap in the face, a comment, a synchronistic moment, a glance from a beautiful person, song of a sweet bird, the rising or setting of the sun, a shooting star, ever renewing the rhythm of the waves do we stop for a second…time slows down…in awe, devotion, speechlessness, thoughtlessness, our ears perk up. We become aware of something here now. Something beautiful, fresh, sweet, pristine, shining, glowing, evervessant, ever fresh. Only at these times, are we awake, truly alive - during the skid / bang / crash - time slows down.

Mindfulness can be defined as knowing what is happening while it is happening, no matter what it is. The essence of meditation is training in mindfulness. It’s direct perception. We see through meditation, what the mind is doing, moment by moment. Why? Because we are training ourselves to become present. If we are present, we naturally bring our intelligence to bear on the moment. Therefore we have no option but to find out what is happening.

Meditation, then, involves being present with what is here. The observer consciousness allows you to fully observe what is happening internally as well. You notice thoughts and feelings as they arise and realize the causes. It is a self-reflective awareness where you know you are thinking when thinking happens. When you become mindful, you become more aware of things both within and without. The way to wisdom and intelligence is to understand ourselves as human beings. Not through a theory, not through a concept, but through direct experience.

When you are calm, you are clear seeing. You filter out a lot of noise that affects consciousness. To have a calm mind is to silence and still a lot of vibrations leaving perception to be free and unhindered. You get into the state of observer consciousness, where you are just watching what is going on and seeing it in every moment of its happening. Mindfulness is the systematic training in knowing what is happening, while it is happening.

As the mind becomes tranquil, many things begin to become clear. Things that were not formerly clear to us about ourselves, the world around us, the way we are living, relationships. We become clear about everything. So we need to generate within our minds the conditions for a prelimary mindfulness which is the essence of meditation. As tranquility arises we began gaining insight into the state of our own minds. Insight may arise naturally with tranquility. That is the traditional teaching. We train in tranquility and insight naturally arises.

Insight is the most profound level of learning. It is learning through direct perception which naturally gives rise to understanding. It is not learning through externally acquired information, something imported from outside. It leads to wisdom because it is learning inwardly how we are and what we are as human beings. When your meditation becomes really powerful, it also becomes constant. Life offers many challenges and the serious meditator is very seldom bored.

When you’re looking for something or a solution, take time to pause and enter the stilled state of consciousness. Don’t think of it as wasting time during the work day. With practice, this little exercise takes very little time, as others perceive it. Think of it as a creative way to think through your problems by engaging your higher mind to meditate on work issues. In that state of consciousness, the answer can come to you suddenly.

Remember, even a brief second in an altered state of consciousness can seem like hours, since you are controlling time. You are creating perfect timing of perfecting time manipulation. Time is but an illusion. There is all of the time in the world, if you can focus your intent and control your perception. Make your own reality.

Any activity where you perform can be expanded and enriched by a heightned state of awareness that allows you to expand your perception of time and operate somewhat outside of normal physical limitations.

Slow down only that which you want to, otherwise allow it to proceed at normal speed. Use rapid perception on whatever you want to, whenever you want to.

We will solve the problem of Time when we solve the problem of Mind.
Paul Davies

[ichi wa zen]

@sunyatta60, i dont have time to read all that :p

[chandrakavi]

Time.....

http://www.infowit.com/images/time_graphic.jpg

24/7

Past, present and future.

Something we all know to be true, because we was taught it as a child in the indoctrination centers (schools).

Ya know, i have had out of body experiences where chronological time ceases to exist. Everything just is!!

Try it sometime, and you will see what i mean. It's the same feeling you have in a dream!

Robert Peterson - Out of Body Experiences.pdf

[url]http://www.badongo.net/file/2727476[

Anyway, what time is it?

http://************************.org/files/infinitelove/smilies/5415.gif

An excellent definition of meditation also Auron, thanks.

[crazed]

An attempt at explaining the world or a tool for control or maybe both.

[helloperator]

Yeah, time is interesting. It can be split into hours, minutes and seconds and even thousandths of seconds...but how far can you keep splitting it? What is the smallest amount of time

[kblood]

Yeah, time is interesting. It can be split into hours, minutes and seconds and even thousandths of seconds...but how far can you keep splitting it? What is the smallest amount of time

It is like trying to find the smallest "building stone" of atoms, there always seems to be something smaller, untill you need religion or faith to explain it.

Sound takes time to reach our ears, light takes time to reflect for our eyes to see and such is it with all our senses. It takes time for us to sense and feel the present, and therefore the present moment seems quite difficult to pinpoint. As I see it, another reason to think we are not all experiencing the same present moment at the same time. If we might be unfocussed, thinking about the past, or some problem in the present, it probably takes us longer to let the present happenings sink in. Maybe someone is saying alot of things, but you then have to think back to make sense of what was said. Using your memory to make sense of whatever pieces you heard, although not focused on it. Seems to me that the present is only what we make it to be, were we have the most of our focus.

[chandrakavi]

How to Slow Down Time With Your Mind

By Enoch Tan
Author of Reality Creation Secrets

Your spirit operates outside time and space. When there is an emergency where danger is about to approach you faster than you can normally sense, your spirit will compel you to act quickly without pondering. It directs you through your instinct and reflexes. Think of a time when you moved out of harm's way in an instant and the move was so spontaneous it seems that everything just flowed in the moment. Your awareness of what was happening and your response happened without hesitation, but so quickly that it was almost together at the same time.

That is because your spirit can observe things and sense reality beyond your ordinary rate and range of awareness. Imagine that a dagger is flying towards you from the side. In ordinary rate of awareness, there is simply not enough time to notice the dagger coming and to move out of the way. But in the realm of your spirit’s awareness, time is slowed down to a crawl and it can fully perceive everything that is happening no matter how quickly. It sends the message to you and in that moment you experience the spontaneous and seemingly simultaneous knowing and action. The awareness comes just before the action but it seems that time slows almost to a standstill during that moment of thought. Perception and action become as one.

If you want to consciously perceive faster so that things don’t seem to happen so quickly, you have to slow time down in your consciousness.

It is not time that slows down but you that slows down. See in your mind’s eye and memory things slowing down. Like a picture frame frozen from a movie in motion. It is the way you experience time slowing down or stopping when you see a beautiful person of your dreams.

It would be an advantage for anyone to stop the world or at least make everything appear to move in slow motion. It would give you time to analyze the situation and the actions of everyone and everything around you. It gives you extra time to determine your actions in a pressure situation. This would would be incredibly useful in business, driving your car in traffic, playing games, military combat, sports and life threatening situations.

Be Fully Alive to This Moment

Perceptive awareness is being fully alert and living fully in the moment. It is seeing the trees bend in the wind and the way the birds circle overhead. It is sensing how the trees feel and what problems and joy the birds are experiencing. It is experiencing the full moment around us and not just our little thoughts. It is clearing the mind of future events and past replayed scenes, so you can experience the entirety of the current moment in time. It is putting yourself in the full frame picture now in front of you in relationship to everything happening around you. It is being fully alive. With that kind of perceptive awareness, a moment can seem to you to last forever.

A master baseball batter is apparently able to slow things down when he’s at the plate. To everyone else, the ball would be rocketing toward the plate at approximately 100 mph, almost faster than the eye can see. But to the focused athlete, the ball seems to slow down just for him, and present itself to him.

This is what many of the best batters have this in common. Somehow, when they need to slow things down to make their big play, they are able to perceive everything happening in slow motion. The ball rolls slowly up to the plate and is easy to see, often appearing larger than life. It’s almost as if the ball is waiting for them to hit it. To everyone else, the ball is racing to the plate at a blistering speed, curving, skinking, and breaking in waysthat make it almost impossible to track, let alone hit.

This is truly time manipulation, since the perception of the person who seems to manage this trick is that time has been stretched longer or made shorter. Since this is the perception of the magician, and becomes the way he acts upon the world, it becomes that person’s own functional reality. It’s really a consciousness shift and an expanded awareness. And yes, it is real magic as we will see.

When playing baseball as a batter, allow yourself to focus consciously on the location and speed of the ball. Clear your mind of all noise and clutter. Get unnecessary thoughts out of your head. Tune out all sound and distraction around you. Simply focus on the baseball being pitched to you. Focus your intent. Imagine hitting it squarely and watching it sail far through the air. Concentrate on your abdomen and visualize projecting energy from this “will center”. You must want to hit the ball and will it to happen. See the ball big and bold. Fixate on the ball. See only the ball and focus your total intent and will on the ball. Did the ball appear to be moving slower than normal? If so, you are well on your way to becoming a master of time manipulation.

For most rapid perception, attention must be at its maximum focus on the area of the thing to be perceived. You must intend to see everything you can in that moment of looking. When you focus only on the thing you are looking at, things surrounding will become dimmer and out of focus while moving in slow motion together with it.

How to Experience Timelessness

To experience timelessness, you need to focus intently on the moment at hand. You cannot allow your mind to wander over events of the past or wallow in deep concern over the future. You must be in the present moment, fully alert and clear headed. In short, you must be totally involved in the “now”.

You must not fear but be calm and have a heightened state of awareness. Fear collapses time. You do not want to collapse time, you want to expand it. Awe is one of the feelings that expands time and slows it down. The opposite is true, things that move in slow motion likeness create a feeling of awe. Fear and awe are very similar and yet very different feelings. Fear causes you to be totally unseeing and blind to the action of the thing you are afraid of in the moment. Awe causes you to be totally seeing and taking in the fullness of what you are looking at.

Scientists have shown that mild anxiety can improve performance in some instances like a 100 meter dash, a musical performance, or even an exam. But for the most part, a full-blown autonomic response is not adaptive in most of these circumstances. These are classic instances of what the Taoists would call getting in your own way.

The ancient Eastern masters from various traditions such as Taoist, Buddhist, Hindu, Zen, Sufi and many others recognized this feature of the human nervous system, and so found antidotes to it. These were awareness and equanimity. They cultivated a calm temperament through meditation and breathing exercises, which you can think of as strengthening the parasympathetic response.

As a result, the Eastern masters were able to develop a very strong and nearly imperturbable presence. Because they were not getting in their own way, in the face of danger they were pure action, maximally effective. This cultivation fed into a hyper-aware state of mind, which, interestingly enough, seems to block out emotion-based responses.

Empathic healers who tranfer energy to others in therapeutic touch reach a level of heightened alertness, which is classified as hyper beta brain activity. This is a state of “superalertness” similar to the keen alertness that Zen masters have been observed to reach in closed-eye meditations. In this state, the healer is acutely focused on one thought or activity, tuning out all peripheral distractions.

You can also heal or comfort yourself in this manner. In this heightened state of consciousness, you can focus on any area of pain or injury and send healing energy to that area in thought forms. Similary, you can use your hands to help or to heal, using your hands to project and conduct that healing energy.

A concentrated mind is not an attentive mind, but a mind that is in the state of awareness can concentrate. Consciousness or awareness is never exclusive, it includes everything. It is not a constricted concentration but a relaxed and free one. When you get into the calm and unperturbed state of mind of conscious awareness, you can perceive easily and nothing can happen too quickly for you. When you are able to slow time down in consciousness, you can use time as the ultimate weapon. Nothing can stop you but you can stop anything. Time is the ultimate illusion. All time is mental.

By using the principle of “it is not time that slows down but you that slows down”, you slow down your actions to slow down the rate of things moving around you in consciousness. Then once you have that increased rate of perception, you can start moving faster again with much greater control and effectiveness. This is the secret of slowing down in order to go faster. Do not hurry because hurry manifests fear and collapses time. Only when you are calm are you able to perceive things in slow motion.

Act as if you have all the time to do everything you want.

Every time you slip up on an action or have a hesitation, it’s because you overlapped a proper sequence of things and it just cancels out in your mind. Maybe it’s because you were in a hurry. Your mind can only do one thing at a time, yet each may be done at the rate of microseconds, giving the illusion of many things at once. If you actually try to do many things at once, nothing happens. We’re referring to the conscious awareness here, although your subconscious can do many things simultaneously. It is your conscious awareness that uses rapid perception in order to slow time down.

Time is an illusion, only consciousness is reality. Who is to say that only a certain amount of things can happen within one second and not more? There are times when people encounter life threatening situation and in the moment, their whole life passed in front of them. As their precious life hung in the balance, for one split second, they took stock of their life, including their loved ones, unfulfilled dreams and unrealized goals and made a momentous decision that saved them in virtually no time at all.

Maybe you experienced moments like this before. It is a state of superconsciousness. Everything seemed to slow down. Things seemed to appear in slow motion. You saw your loved ones and they seemed to be frozen in time. You considered logical arguments and argued them through the steps to completion. All of this takes a long time normally, but for this one instance when you are so sharply focused and alert, you play it all our in one magical moment, a moment that you seemed to control.

You can perceive things in slow motion and still let your thoughts and actions flow at the “same speed”. It is all relativity. To you, time around you slows down but to an outside observer, you become phenomenally precise and in control. When you are able to perceive faster, you also possess the ability to respond faster. Each second of your time becomes stretched and you can have increased rate of movement within it. Your time is increased compared to other people’s. Those watching with normal rate of consciousness will see you moving like flashes of lightning with sudden bolts of speed.

You can also use your mind to increase your own rate of movement to phenomenal levels. Think of yourself moving at extremely high speed that is beyond the ordinary. And act with that mental state. Think speed and you manifest speed. Time manipulation and phenomenally fast movement like all mind powers, require you to be in the right state of consciousness to be of effect.

The best ballplayers, it seems, have learned how to manipulate time whenever it suits them. Perhaps they do this without a great deal of thought or analysis, but they certainly employ all of the key factors of time magicians. They focus their intent, engage their will power, and energize their thought forms. This is personal magic. This is personal power. Everyone can do it. The superstars just do it more easily and more often than the rest of us. We say that they are gifted or superhuman. They are simply focused, intent and willful.

All champions have one thing in common, they have learned to sieze the moment. No matter what situation we are in, there is always a cubic centimeter of chance that appears in the moment for us to accomplish what we want. The trick is to be alert enough to seize the moment and then have enough personal power to execute the appropriate move at the appropriate instance. Impeccable warriors are fully alert and fully aware of the physical world.

Everybody knows that under normal conditions when heroics are not on the line, a person cannot pass a ball through a crowd to a selected teamate who scores, all in less than one second. Under normal circumstances, most people cannot even locate a person in a crowd in less than one second, let alone pass the ball to him. This demonstates over and over again the elasticity of time.

There’s a young swimmer who came out of nowhere at the end of a race to eclipse the field. She always found a way to win, and would “pick her spot” to “make her move.” Still, it seemed uncanny how she could close the big gap between herself and the race lader at the end, when you consider she had to swim nearly twice as fast as she had been swimming throughout the rest of the race.

It’s like the track sprinter who digs down at the end of the race to bolt like a cannon to victory at the end. To the observer, it looks as thought they are running against opponents who are moving in slow motion. How can somebody who’s been running at top speed suddenly double that speed at the end of a race, when they should be the most tired? It’s an obvious display of will power, focused intent, and energized thought power, whereby they conceive of miraculous victory and believe it is possible. And whatever our consciousness can conceive, the body can achieve. Since everything is consciousness, the physical world is only an illusion.

Move Into the "Zone" of Higher Performance

You can cope with daily emergency situations and daily challenges where you need extra time and powers that heightened awareness affords you. You can run faster in less time and slow down events when needed by altering your perception of time and space. Some of the greatest athletes do it. Heroic rescue teams do it. You can do it too.

You can meditate anywhere and reach a state of heightened consciousness and timelessness. Surely, star athletes in action do not stop everything that they are doing to sit down in perfect posture and slowly number their bodies to enter this state. They have learned to do it within the flow of events. They pop in and out of this state, as needed. They do it quickly and almost effortlessly with practice. It becomes a learned behavior. Soon your total self will sense the opportunity or need and shift you to that new, higher level of consciousness. Then everything slows down in front of you, so that you can respond.

If you watch top athletes who gets into this “zone”, as sports people often call it, you will notice that their eyes seem to glaze over or close halfway for a brief time. They might even appear to be going into a trance. That trance, of course, is the altered state of consciousness known to meditators. They go into a state of higher consciousness very briefly. A split second can seem to last much longer to a person in this state because there is no time or normal laws of physics in higher consciousness.

Most people think that spectacular athletes simply try harder when they “turn it on”. Certainly, they do find extra energy and move with greater speed in less time at these moments, almost as though time for them was standing still. These golden moments in an athlete’s life are truly magical. They can see everything happening in slow motion around them. They have all the time in the world to make amazing moves. They can run faster, think faster, and jump higher than anyone else. And all of this comes by slipping momentarily into higher consciousness, a nonphysical reality where time does not exist and the normal laws of physics do not apply. What’s even better, they operate in these golden moments with a higher consciousness that thinks faster and better than the normal, physical consciousness that people use.

Remember that you control time as you experience it. As an agent of change, you control the only real measure of time. This is because time only occurs with change. The theater of events around us is interpreted by our personal perception of change. Your perception will be somewhat different from mine, although we might agree on many things we observe together. Because of your unique perception, you create your own reality. You also create your own sense of time as an agent of change. Time simply measures change. Beyond that simple function, time is nonexistent. There is really only the “now”.

Since time only operates according to perception of it, you can manipulate time by controlling your perception of it. Your higher consciousness exist in the realm of timelessness. Stay in a state of heightened awareness in order to make your perception of time stand still. It is a matter of personal time perception and a focused intent to stay in the now. There are people who use such time powers to transverse great distances in very little amount of time and cause limited resources to last far longer than normal as though inexhaustible. Such are the miracles that happen when time and space are altered.

Slow Time Down and Stop the World

Sword masters and ninjas all use this “slowing time down” and “stopping the world” with the mind technique to accomplish amazing feats of lightning fast combat which normal perceiving people can hardly even comprehend how it is humanly possible for themselves to attempt.

We miss ourselves. We are so busy out there in our minds, in the mirror, on the phone, on the pc, listening to deafening music, overtaking, seeking power, status, labels. The boy racer feels alive, excited, when he is near a near death opportunity! Adrenalin pumping, over excited, showing off, seeking attention, seeking power, seeking approval, fearful. Fight or flight that we cannot see the signs. We make mistakes, we miss turnings, we lose or forget things. Because we lose the plot, we lose reign of our senses.

Only when there’s an accident, a car crash, a thump on the head, a slap in the face, a comment, a synchronistic moment, a glance from a beautiful person, song of a sweet bird, the rising or setting of the sun, a shooting star, ever renewing the rhythm of the waves do we stop for a second…time slows down…in awe, devotion, speechlessness, thoughtlessness, our ears perk up. We become aware of something here now. Something beautiful, fresh, sweet, pristine, shining, glowing, evervessant, ever fresh. Only at these times, are we awake, truly alive - during the skid / bang / crash - time slows down.

Mindfulness can be defined as knowing what is happening while it is happening, no matter what it is. The essence of meditation is training in mindfulness. It’s direct perception. We see through meditation, what the mind is doing, moment by moment. Why? Because we are training ourselves to become present. If we are present, we naturally bring our intelligence to bear on the moment. Therefore we have no option but to find out what is happening.

Meditation, then, involves being present with what is here. The observer consciousness allows you to fully observe what is happening internally as well. You notice thoughts and feelings as they arise and realize the causes. It is a self-reflective awareness where you know you are thinking when thinking happens. When you become mindful, you become more aware of things both within and without. The way to wisdom and intelligence is to understand ourselves as human beings. Not through a theory, not through a concept, but through direct experience.

When you are calm, you are clear seeing. You filter out a lot of noise that affects consciousness. To have a calm mind is to silence and still a lot of vibrations leaving perception to be free and unhindered. You get into the state of observer consciousness, where you are just watching what is going on and seeing it in every moment of its happening. Mindfulness is the systematic training in knowing what is happening, while it is happening.

As the mind becomes tranquil, many things begin to become clear. Things that were not formerly clear to us about ourselves, the world around us, the way we are living, relationships. We become clear about everything. So we need to generate within our minds the conditions for a prelimary mindfulness which is the essence of meditation. As tranquility arises we began gaining insight into the state of our own minds. Insight may arise naturally with tranquility. That is the traditional teaching. We train in tranquility and insight naturally arises.

Insight is the most profound level of learning. It is learning through direct perception which naturally gives rise to understanding. It is not learning through externally acquired information, something imported from outside. It leads to wisdom because it is learning inwardly how we are and what we are as human beings. When your meditation becomes really powerful, it also becomes constant. Life offers many challenges and the serious meditator is very seldom bored.

When you’re looking for something or a solution, take time to pause and enter the stilled state of consciousness. Don’t think of it as wasting time during the work day. With practice, this little exercise takes very little time, as others perceive it. Think of it as a creative way to think through your problems by engaging your higher mind to meditate on work issues. In that state of consciousness, the answer can come to you suddenly.

Remember, even a brief second in an altered state of consciousness can seem like hours, since you are controlling time. You are creating perfect timing of perfecting time manipulation. Time is but an illusion. There is all of the time in the world, if you can focus your intent and control your perception. Make your own reality.

Any activity where you perform can be expanded and enriched by a heightned state of awareness that allows you to expand your perception of time and operate somewhat outside of normal physical limitations.

Slow down only that which you want to, otherwise allow it to proceed at normal speed. Use rapid perception on whatever you want to, whenever you want to.

We will solve the problem of Time when we solve the problem of Mind.
Paul Davies

VERY INTERESTING ARTICLE

[chandrakavi]

As it is said "TIME IS AN ILLUSION, ONLY CONCIOUSNESS IS REALITY"

[dmessick]

I never think about time anymore, I just live in the moment. I wish I could get away from clocks though. Every time I see a clock it looks more like a cage.

[bigus_dickus]

just saw this last night, thought i'd share:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3314911133409302826

this one too (i haven't seen it yet)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3104494876835997017

(sorry if it's a repost)

[steevo]

This is something I was thinking about the other night in bed.

On average, we probably have a lifetime of about 70 years in western society.

If you spend alot of your lifetime "in the zone", then time goes fast. Being "in the zone" seems to be what we all crave (subconsiously most of the time).

When we are bored, we feel that we NEED to get in the zone in whatever way we can find it. TPTB ensure that the sheeple are SORT OF in the zone as much as possible because the more that we are in the zone the quicker our lives fly by and we achieve less and we live and die very quickly.

When we watch X-Factor and Eastenders, it FEELS SIMILAR to being in the zone but we achieve absolutely nothing and our lives pass us by. But we feel happy because time has gone fast and we have not felt the boredom that we dread. We seem to wish our lives away. Why ?

We have a choice of being in the zone by watching X-Factor or we can get in the zone in other ways such as learning, and creating and other positive actions. The latter way leads us to achievement and to self enpowerment.

Sometimes we just need to relax, switch off and clear our minds and also relax our bodies but we dont know how, so we say, "put the TV on and let's chill out and watch X-Factor". Before we know it our lives have been reduced by another couple of hours and we have achieved NOTHING. It's a very easy option to watch the BS on TV but we just cannot help ourselves. All our spare time is consumed by it. And our lives just get shorter and shorter.

So what are our options ? If we get rid of our TV's then what would we do to relax ? Our minds constantly crave the feeling of being "in the zone" (to watch TV) :confused:

Most of us have no idea how to relax/meditate including me I have to say.
Meditation seems to be the way forward IMO. I think that this is probably the key to relaxing and swtching off for a while each day (if possible). We HAVE to meditate SOMETIMES (at least) to slow down our lives and take control because our brains cannot take the constant craving for information or we would just go mad I think. Sometimes I get a guilty feeling when I want to relax/rest and I think that that is partly as a result of brainwashing, I find it hard to switch off and my life flies by so fast so I try to fill it will knowledge instead of TV.

Until we learn how to meditate, our lives are just gonna fly by and our lives become very short and pointless. I dont think it's a coincidence that we are not taught about relaxation and meditation in the society we live in.

[kblood]

just saw this last night, thought i'd share:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3314911133409302826

this one too (i haven't seen it yet)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3104494876835997017

(sorry if it's a repost)

Very nice :) That sums up alot of what we have discussed so far, and proves we havent been off track.

Got me thinking also that it seems even more logical after watching the space time one, that if the "Big Bang" happened the way it did, and the way black holes comes into existance, then it seems very likely that black holes are the big bang of another universe :D Which makes it all very eternal and infinite.

[kblood]

Sometimes we just need to relax, switch off and clear our minds and also relax our bodies but we dont know how, so we say, "put the TV on and let's chill out and watch X-Factor". Before we know it our lives have been reduced by another couple of hours and we have achieved NOTHING. It's a very easy option to watch the BS on TV but we just cannot help ourselves. All our spare time is consumed by it. And our lives just get shorter and shorter.

So what are our options ? If we get rid of our TV's then what would we do to relax ? Our minds constantly crave the feeling of being "in the zone" (to watch TV) :confused:


It is mentioned in the documentary time part 2 of 4. When we repeat ourselves and and the actions we do several times a day, the faster times go by. This is especially true for TV shows like X-factor you mention. I dont have a TV myself, I find show like x-factor much too repitive for my taste. I watch series instead or movies. When I relax anyway, otherwise I play computer games. Some of them have the exact same effect as TV, but I just find them more entertaining and less repetitive. Then there is this Icke forum which seems to bring loads of new information, making days seem longer because there is so much new knowledge gained here :)

[chandrakavi]

This is something I was thinking about the other night in bed.

On average, we probably have a lifetime of about 70 years in western society.

If you spend alot of your lifetime "in the zone", then time goes fast. Being "in the zone" seems to be what we all crave (subconsiously most of the time).

When we are bored, we feel that we NEED to get in the zone in whatever way we can find it. TPTB ensure that the sheeple are SORT OF in the zone as much as possible because the more that we are in the zone the quicker our lives fly by and we achieve less and we live and die very quickly.

When we watch X-Factor and Eastenders, it FEELS SIMILAR to being in the zone but we achieve absolutely nothing and our lives pass us by. But we feel happy because time has gone fast and we have not felt the boredom that we dread. We seem to wish our lives away. Why ?

We have a choice of being in the zone by watching X-Factor or we can get in the zone in other ways such as learning, and creating and other positive actions. The latter way leads us to achievement and to self enpowerment.

Sometimes we just need to relax, switch off and clear our minds and also relax our bodies but we dont know how, so we say, "put the TV on and let's chill out and watch X-Factor". Before we know it our lives have been reduced by another couple of hours and we have achieved NOTHING. It's a very easy option to watch the BS on TV but we just cannot help ourselves. All our spare time is consumed by it. And our lives just get shorter and shorter.

So what are our options ? If we get rid of our TV's then what would we do to relax ? Our minds constantly crave the feeling of being "in the zone" (to watch TV) :confused:

Most of us have no idea how to relax/meditate including me I have to say.
Meditation seems to be the way forward IMO. I think that this is probably the key to relaxing and swtching off for a while each day (if possible). We HAVE to meditate SOMETIMES (at least) to slow down our lives and take control because our brains cannot take the constant craving for information or we would just go mad I think. Sometimes I get a guilty feeling when I want to relax/rest and I think that that is partly as a result of brainwashing, I find it hard to switch off and my life flies by so fast so I try to fill it will knowledge instead of TV.

Until we learn how to meditate, our lives are just gonna fly by and our lives become very short and pointless. I dont think it's a coincidence that we are not taught about relaxation and meditation in the society we live in.

HI Steevo!

We are not taught relaxation and meditation (although some music can be found sometimes), because we are taught to RESIST, not to ACCEPT LIFE.
In this way, people are molded with a negativity strength, which is good for the
estalishment ,the matrix.

The only thing that maintain people well, is that after a day's work, we can go to sleep,
dream, and people enter into another dimension, where they conect with their self,(wether people know it or not)
where no matter how strange the symbolic dreams may be, there are no lies. We live in a world of lies, so getting away from that during sleep, every day, is quite a rest, it relaxes us, sometimes like a meditation.

Don't know if I said it before, to read CG.JUNG's book MAN AND HIS SYMBOLS, quite interesting. I loved it.

Sometimes by reading material on the subject, meditation. dreams, is a meditation in itself. There are some DVDs on this. Images, can also help, since they go to the subconcionce mind, opposed to the brainwashing we get from TV.

Shirley McLaine has some very interesting dvds on how to start meditating,
really was surprised seeing how well she did it. The DVD, not the books only.

When we meditate we feeel time is no longer, no stress,, it is a process to be learned, which is healthy and good for keeping your sanity. Because the media will give you nothing
but subliminal messages headed toward the matrix, nothing to do with your self.

You seem to know what to do, and what direction to look for, so keep at it.
Enjoying life.

If you are interested in any of this PM me

[dmessick]

Time is just an illusion, Another control mechanism that doesn't really exist. The moment is now and it is perceived to move forward because the energy of 'now' is constantly swirling and changing. It's just an illusion.

[synak]

I wish I could get away from clocks though. Every time I see a clock it looks more like a cage.

I feel exactly the same way each time I even look at the "time" or think about it.

Time is just an illusion, Another control mechanism that doesn't really exist. The moment is now and it is perceived to move forward because the energy of 'now' is constantly swirling and changing. It's just an illusion.

Artificial boundaries, borders, limits and the like is what "time" is a part of. Simply more bars for the prison cell containing the heart and mind. The souls on this plane must become aware of that.

[pri01]

Everything on this planet has a number attached to it and is measured. Everything down to the volume of air that we breath into our lungs, to the amount of waste we produce. That way, they can put a price on everything and we continue to pay. Time is money.:(

[serpentoffire]

http://www.usa-int.com/SDAILABS/AVT.html

1. All energy is indestructible and of infinite potential.
Energy passes from one expression into another, yet no energy is ever lost. Since energy also expresses as mass, we see demonstrated by all mass - atoms joined together and separated according to the stresses or influences of other energies upon them. The indestructible nature of energy illustrates the infinite nature of energy as well, for if energy is indestructible it must be infinite. AVT Proof of the infinite nature of energy:

1.0. Energy is either finite or infinite in nature.
1.1. If energy is finite it should originate and terminate.
1.2. If energy is infinite it should perpetuate.
1.3. If energy is infinite it must contain infinite potentials.
1.4. If energy is finite it must not contain infinite potentials.
1.5. Energy does not terminate.
1.6. Energy perpetuates. (conservation of energy)
1.7. Energy does contain infinite potentials. (6)
1.71. All energy demonstrates infinite potentials. (i.e. mathematics, indestructibility, continuity)
1.8. Energy is therefore infinite in nature and does not originate or terminate.
1.9. Creation is impossible as all energy merely changes form.

This proof is one of many which can be formulated to demonstrate energy and infinite potential. Everything is energy - this includes thought, conception and mathematics - which are commonly held as incorporeal and illusory. They are not, however, for the universe is comprised solely of energy. Imagination is tangible, even if only in the energy and theorized quantized fields that comprise thought processes.

2. All energy expresses with an infinite, vortical pattern and flow.

All energy is theorized to express with a vortex pattern. This is evidenced to us constantly from the largest things, such as our spiral galaxies and the very curve of space-time itself, to the very smallest as evidenced by the miniature atomic vortices created by atomic particles. The vortical flow in particles’ atomic path vortices, as imaged by the CERN 3.7 meter bubble chamber, when measured - is in accordance with ratio of 1: 1.618033989. This ratio is a never ending decimal and is a perfect pattern for infinite flows in time/space. This ratio will repeat the same proportion infinitely. Many spiral galaxies arms and these atomic particle paths - make a perfect match with the ‘golden ratio’ and prove that these particles are traveling in infinite flows.

[...]

Time-space' new face

When we apply these AVT energy principles to time-space, a new picture emerges, and one startlingly different from that previously envisioned. Let us apply the Magnificent Seven AVT energy principles to time:

1.0. Time is indestructible and of infinite potential.
2.0. Time expresses with a cyclic, vortical pattern.
3.0. Time oscillates at specific frequencies.
4.0. Time is unique in every expression.
5.0. Time regenerates itself. (6)
6.0. Time is traversed by harmonic affiliation.
7.0. Time is infinitely linked to all other energy.

Time takes a new relationship when we see that time is merely marking the energy in the universe as it is regenerating with specific properties and affiliations. Time as we view it however can now be understood as just a steady flow of energy changing form. Time is not the pre-relativity fixed time, but will regenerate and oscillate with all energy in the universe. Time will take on new properties when oscillating at different frequencies. AVT theorizes time is unified when oscillating with frequencies greater than the speed of light, functioning as a complete cycle. This would best be explained as if all time and energy changes measured by it were accessible at once. Past, present and future would merge into a single expression, accessible only when light speed is exceeded. The wave form density and shape of these new frequencies becomes so tight that the waves touch and a new omni-directional flow of energy is attained. So time is really an interpretive measure of the perpetual energy flows and change occurring and depending upon how a single expression of energy interacts with it, it can relate these changes at differing rates.
Now let us apply these energy principles to space:

1.0. Space is indestructible and of infinite potential.
2.0. Space expresses with a cyclic vortex pattern.
3.0. Space expresses at specific frequencies.
4.0. Every expression of space is unique.
5.0. Space regenerates itself. (6)
6.0. Space is traversed by harmonic affiliation.
7.0. Space is infinitely linked to all other energy.

This shows space is much more complex and has more than just width, length and depth. Space can be identified by a particular frequency. Each location in space will have different frequencies and component wave forms. The energy that comprises space will regenerate - which accounts for its continued existence. When we move through space we are traversing varying frequencies, and our energy (mass) interacts with this space. When space is thus interfaced with mass, this mass can be said to "occupy" it. Space is cyclic and expresses with the conservation of angular momentum. We see demonstrated the curvature of mass in space, whether it be a planet or star or a galaxy.

[chandrakavi]

http://www.usa-int.com/SDAILABS/AVT.html

1. All energy is indestructible and of infinite potential.
Energy passes from one expression into another, yet no energy is ever lost. Since energy also expresses as mass, we see demonstrated by all mass - atoms joined together and separated according to the stresses or influences of other energies upon them. The indestructible nature of energy illustrates the infinite nature of energy as well, for if energy is indestructible it must be infinite. AVT Proof of the infinite nature of energy:

1.0. Energy is either finite or infinite in nature.
1.1. If energy is finite it should originate and terminate.
1.2. If energy is infinite it should perpetuate.
1.3. If energy is infinite it must contain infinite potentials.
1.4. If energy is finite it must not contain infinite potentials.
1.5. Energy does not terminate.
1.6. Energy perpetuates. (conservation of energy)
1.7. Energy does contain infinite potentials. (6)
1.71. All energy demonstrates infinite potentials. (i.e. mathematics, indestructibility, continuity)
1.8. Energy is therefore infinite in nature and does not originate or terminate.
1.9. Creation is impossible as all energy merely changes form.

This proof is one of many which can be formulated to demonstrate energy and infinite potential. Everything is energy - this includes thought, conception and mathematics - which are commonly held as incorporeal and illusory. They are not, however, for the universe is comprised solely of energy. Imagination is tangible, even if only in the energy and theorized quantized fields that comprise thought processes.

2. All energy expresses with an infinite, vortical pattern and flow.

All energy is theorized to express with a vortex pattern. This is evidenced to us constantly from the largest things, such as our spiral galaxies and the very curve of space-time itself, to the very smallest as evidenced by the miniature atomic vortices created by atomic particles. The vortical flow in particles’ atomic path vortices, as imaged by the CERN 3.7 meter bubble chamber, when measured - is in accordance with ratio of 1: 1.618033989. This ratio is a never ending decimal and is a perfect pattern for infinite flows in time/space. This ratio will repeat the same proportion infinitely. Many spiral galaxies arms and these atomic particle paths - make a perfect match with the ‘golden ratio’ and prove that these particles are traveling in infinite flows.

[...]

Time-space' new face

When we apply these AVT energy principles to time-space, a new picture emerges, and one startlingly different from that previously envisioned. Let us apply the Magnificent Seven AVT energy principles to time:

1.0. Time is indestructible and of infinite potential.
2.0. Time expresses with a cyclic, vortical pattern.
3.0. Time oscillates at specific frequencies.
4.0. Time is unique in every expression.
5.0. Time regenerates itself. (6)
6.0. Time is traversed by harmonic affiliation.
7.0. Time is infinitely linked to all other energy.

Time takes a new relationship when we see that time is merely marking the energy in the universe as it is regenerating with specific properties and affiliations. Time as we view it however can now be understood as just a steady flow of energy changing form. Time is not the pre-relativity fixed time, but will regenerate and oscillate with all energy in the universe. Time will take on new properties when oscillating at different frequencies. AVT theorizes time is unified when oscillating with frequencies greater than the speed of light, functioning as a complete cycle. This would best be explained as if all time and energy changes measured by it were accessible at once. Past, present and future would merge into a single expression, accessible only when light speed is exceeded. The wave form density and shape of these new frequencies becomes so tight that the waves touch and a new omni-directional flow of energy is attained. So time is really an interpretive measure of the perpetual energy flows and change occurring and depending upon how a single expression of energy interacts with it, it can relate these changes at differing rates.
Now let us apply these energy principles to space:

1.0. Space is indestructible and of infinite potential.
2.0. Space expresses with a cyclic vortex pattern.
3.0. Space expresses at specific frequencies.
4.0. Every expression of space is unique.
5.0. Space regenerates itself. (6)
6.0. Space is traversed by harmonic affiliation.
7.0. Space is infinitely linked to all other energy.

This shows space is much more complex and has more than just width, length and depth. Space can be identified by a particular frequency. Each location in space will have different frequencies and component wave forms. The energy that comprises space will regenerate - which accounts for its continued existence. When we move through space we are traversing varying frequencies, and our energy (mass) interacts with this space. When space is thus interfaced with mass, this mass can be said to "occupy" it. Space is cyclic and expresses with the conservation of angular momentum. We see demonstrated the curvature of mass in space, whether it be a planet or star or a galaxy.

Interesting.Cronological time is finite. Time is eternal.

[kashmirz]

Blind Guardian - Time what is Time (live in Moscow 2002) - YouTube

[chandrakavi]

Couldn't make out the words. good music

[kblood]

Time travel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Apparantly experiments have been carried out proving it possible to time travel into the future, at least for particles.

The experiment of Lijun Wang might also give the appearance of causality violation since it made it possible to send packages of waves through a bulb of cesium gas in such a way that the package appeared to exit the bulb 62 nanoseconds before its entry. But a wave package is not a single well-defined object but rather a sum of multiple waves of different frequencies (see Fourier analysis), and the package can appear to move faster than light or even backwards in time even if none of the pure waves in the sum do so. This effect cannot be used to send any matter, energy, or information backwards in time, so this experiment is understood not to violate causality either.

Quite interesting, especially with the news about new time machines apparantly in the making. I guess the future will prove wether time actually exist in more than the present.

[cruise4]

How about:

Time is the space that allows movement

[thors]

What ever happen to us in our lives, it happen in the present, in that very instant we called the direct present, thinking about it, nothing will never happen in a different time frame. Your future are just your present waiting to happen so to speak. If you look at a photographie, what's on it is an instant of that very present being captured. Time is a practical unreliable way of setting appointments and keeping some kind of track in our lives in the society... The tricky part would be to actually define what s our present or more how long last our present? :) Is it a minute? Probably much less than that; is it a second? less? To be honnest i don't know i ld say it s a fraction of a second until will jump to our immediate futur that transform iself into immediate present and so on.
Our time as it been mentioned earlier is based on the planetary system.
Your watch actually is more an astronomic device than anything else, it tells you what's your current position compare to the sun^^

[eyedontbelieveu]

The Inner Minds Eye

[kblood]

How about:

Time is the space that allows movement

True, I have thought about that as well, because without time, we wouldnt have movement. How long does it take to get from A to B? It takes time, if it the movement was instant, there would still be a before it moved, and after it moved. Which makes planes of existance that are eternal, immortal and therefore without time quite difficult to comprehend.

[jacob1111]

Real time is beautiful, you can be the master of it. Do you recall those moments when you are really enjoying yourself and time is seamless, you say "it felt like we were there for hours", that is a glimpse of real time.
Quite recently i experienced mastering speeding time up or down. IE at a concert as the beat when faster and I vibrated with it, my whole surroundings accelerated, a bit like hitting the fast forward button on a video, it was quite a thrill.

[cruise4]

"True, I have thought about that as well, because without time, we wouldnt have movement. How long does it take to get from A to B? It takes time, if it the movement was instant, there would still be a before it moved, and after it moved. Which makes planes of existance that are eternal, immortal and therefore without time quite difficult to comprehend."

In non-linear time, does movement in space cause you to traverse time?
I have read somewhere that this is indeed the case.

There's something on the tip of my brain again here that I can't quite grasp:mad:

[kblood]

"True, I have thought about that as well, because without time, we wouldnt have movement. How long does it take to get from A to B? It takes time, if it the movement was instant, there would still be a before it moved, and after it moved. Which makes planes of existance that are eternal, immortal and therefore without time quite difficult to comprehend."

In non-linear time, does movement in space cause you to traverse time?
I have read somewhere that this is indeed the case.

There's something on the tip of my brain again here that I can't quite grasp:mad:

Yes, that is at least Einsteins theory, or maybe it is the common theory, and since we are all on a planet that is flying through space at a very high speed, compared to how fast our cars are running and so on.

So the planetary system around us probably is defining partly how fast time is moving for us, in a galactic scale, although we would probably not feel the difference.

[cruise4]

"So the planetary system around us probably is defining partly how fast time is moving for us, in a galactic scale, although we would probably not feel the difference."

The Law Of One: Book II
THE RA MATERIAL
By Ra,
An Humble Messenger Of
The Law Of One

Extracts:
The experience or existence of space/time comes into being after the
individuation process of Logos or Love has been completed and the physical
universe, as you would call it, has coalesced or begun to draw inward while
moving outward to the extent that that which you call your sun bodies have
in their turn created timeless chaos coalescing into what you call planets,
these vortices of intelligent energy spending a large amount of what you
would call first density in a timeless state, the space/time realization being
one of the learn/teachings of this density of being-ness.

Yesterday you stated that planets in first density
are in a timeless state to begin with. Can you tell me how the effect that we
appreciate as time comes into being?
Ra: I am Ra. We have just described to you the state of beingness of each
Logos. The process by which space/time comes into continuum form is a
function of the careful building, shall we say, of an entire or whole plan of
vibratory rates, densities, and potentials. When this plan has coalesced in
the thought complexes of Love, then the physical manifestations begin to
appear; this first manifestation stage being awareness or consciousness.
At the point at which this coalescence is at the living-ness or being-ness
point, the point or fountainhead of beginning, space/time then begins to
unroll its scroll of living-ness.

The Logos creates all densities. Your question was unclear.
However, we shall state the Logos does create both the space/time densities
and the accompanying time/space densities.

The spiritual density or mass of those more towards the center of your
galaxy is known. However, this is due simply to the varying timelessness
states during which the planetary spheres may coalesce, this process of
space/time beginnings occurring earlier, shall we say, as you approach the
center of the galactic spiral.

The one undifferentiated intelligent infinity, unpolarized, full and whole, is
the macrocosm of the mystery-clad being. We are messengers of the Law of
One. Unity, at this approximation of understanding, cannot be specified by
any physics but only become activated or potentiated intelligent infinity due
to the catalyst of free will. This may be difficult to accept. However, the
understandings we have to share begin and end in mystery.

My Comment: So they don't fully understand time either.

[chandrakavi]

"So they don't fully understand Time either"
Could you shortly elaborate on this comment please?

[kblood]

"So they don't fully understand Time either"
Could you shortly elaborate on this comment please?

I think he meant the answer that was given, simply didnt define anything that could be related to much. The whole answer seems like a whole lot of dodging the subject.

[cruise4]

Obviously its the Ra material and I just happened to read that part as we were talking about this so thought I'd post it... however the other point was, even at sixth density the social memory complex called Ra admits they are still trying to fully understand Time themselves. So its an advanced subject probably beyond our comprehension. I make no claims for this info. Just think its interesting and certainly mind bending :D

[chandrakavi]

Thank you Cruise4 :D

[sunyatta60]

Peter Russell explains what time is in this talk, he concludes correctly that time is an illusion just like Everything else in the material universe.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7799171063626430789&hl=en-GB



If the body came into being because of consciousness that is a wonder, but if consciousness came in to being because of the body this is a wonder of wonders.
The Gnostic Jesus Christ The Gospel of Thomas

[serpentoffire]

Peter Russell explains what time is in this talk, he concludes correctly that time is an illusion just like Everything else in the material universe.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7799171063626430789&hl=en-GB



If the body came into being because of consciousness that is a wonder, but if consciousness came in to being because of the body this is a wonder of wonders.
The Gnostic Jesus Christ The Gospel of Thomas

In italy there is a professor, Corrado Malanga, that in free time research on alien abductions. He claims that he is able, under NLP hypnosis, to talk with the soul and the spirit inside the body.

He describes our universe composed by 4 vectors, Conscience (K), Space (S), Time (T) and Potential Energy (E).

The spirit stays in the time but is everywhere; It is represented by K-E-T vectors. I think is the transmission medium, the matter of God. This explains the ability of telepathy.

The soul stays in a place (our spine) but doesn’t have a time; it is represented by K-E-S vectors. This is our internal engine to acquire the knowledge. The soul is able to see the past and the future like you do with a film on a DVD using FF and REW. The soul define itself like a matrix of dots of energy.

The body stays in the time and the space; it is represented by E-S-T vectors; It is the biological robot needed to supply energy to soul and to interact inside this universe.

Space and time are vibrating energies like Conscience and Potential Energy. The Conscience needs the E-S-T space like a mirror, to acquire knowledge.

Malanga's theory look very similar to Peter Russel's theory.

[kblood]

Malanga's theory look very similar to Peter Russel's theory.


Yes, I also believe that our spirit is eternal and infinite, and therefore not something touched or changed by time, and only have an influence in time due to our soul which I suspect is somewhere in between.

[chandrakavi]

Everything on this planet has a number attached to it and is measured. Everything down to the volume of air that we breath into our lungs, to the amount of waste we produce. That way, they can put a price on everything and we continue to pay. Time is money.:(

Yes, that is the Western material concept that Time is money.
The Mayas from Mexico who built all those incredible pyramids, had a mystical hierarchy,
and saw each day as a different energy. To them Time is Art.
The price you are given even

on air, is the mind of the sick consumer's society, with only left side
of the brain working, the left (the rational side), with the right side (INTUITION), under the rug. SO, TIME IS ART, comes closer to a meaninful definition. The Mayas knew that time is eternal, made a difference between 12:60 (the false time for them) and 13:20 (the real time).. All of this is in Arguelles DREAMSPELL, and THE MAYA FACTOR.

:)

[chandrakavi]

Deepak chopra says the following on time:

"Time does not exist as an absolute entity,
only eternity. Time is eternity quantified, with no time,
time fragmented by ourselves into seconds, hours, days,
years. What we denominate the temporal sequence
is a reflection of our own way to perceive change.
If we could perceive that we does not change ,time would dno longer
exist as we know it. If we can learn to metabolize
non-chagne ,eternitythe absolute, we will be in a condition
of creating a physiology of what is inmortal."

:)

[chandrakavi]

"THE BROTHERHOOD HAS TUNED THE HUMAN CONCIOUSNESS INTO A FALSE PERSPECTIVE OF TIME, AND IN DOING SO , THEY HAVE DISCONNECTED HUMANITY FROM THE REST OF CREATION WHICH OPERATES ON A DIFFERENT VERSION OF TIME.THUS HUMANITY IS LIVING ITS LIFE OUT OF SYNCRONICITY WITH THE UNIVERSE. NO WONDER THERE'S SO MUCH IMBALANCE. IN TRUTH THERE IS NO TIME. IT IS ONLY OUR PERCEPTION OF TIME,THAT MAKE EVENTS APPEAR TO BE HAPPENING IN A LINEAR TIME LINE. " David Icke in The Biggest Secret

Here time is also seen in terms of conciousness.

[steevo]

Deepak chopra says the following on time:

"Time does not exist as an absolute entity,
only eternity. Time is eternity quantified, with no time,
time fragmented by ourselves into seconds, hours, days,
years. What we denominate the temporal sequence
is a reflection of our own way to perceive change.
If we could perceive that we does not change ,time would dno longer
exist as we know it. If we can learn to metabolize
non-chagne ,eternitythe absolute, we will be in a condition
of creating a physiology of what is inmortal."

:)

Here time is also seen in terms of conciousness.(David Icke quote)

Thanks for posting chandrakavi :)

From reading those posts, it made me think that cos time is seemingly just a measure of physical movement, then in the depths of the vacuum of space, where there is no movement, then time can not exist there. Even if there were "stuff" there then there would be no-one to measure the movement of the stuff. If someone was there, then the movement could then be measured, but then this would only go to give credence to the idea that time can only exist where a (human) brain occupies that SAME space and the brain is THINKING about measuring "time".

[chandrakavi]

Interesting thread! The above quote by Icke is spot on.

You can actually experience no "time" yourself if you have a true out of body experience.

In OBE (Out of Body Experiences) it can be seen that time does not exist.
One of the reasons why humanity is so uncivilized is the division between
mind, body and soul. The reality is that unless all three function in unity,
we cannot be whole.

In the East they practice the BARDO TODO ,relatives and acquaintances
help that he or she die in total relaxation, the quality of death changes
and your new birth will be of a higher quality. The equality of birth is decided
by death. That's how you go higher and higher, that's how you evolve.
Or else we would be clinging and with attachments , wanting the impossible.

In the East the word KAL, means both , "time" and also means "death" in sanskrit.
that is a great insight to use the same word for it, it is a question of experiencing something tremendously valuable. At the moment time dissapears, death dissapears.
The present belongs to eternity,
Past and future belong to this world of the relative, this world of change.
Between the two penetrates the beyond, the transcendental, and that is the present.
Now is part of eternity.
That most surely can be experienced in a OBE.

A wholeness, a totality, a Oneness.
Time is Oneness, eternal.

[duncan87]

I notice that my perception of time changes depending on time of day and body temperature. If I'm listening to a song late at night, the beat seems faster than the same song during the day. Body temperature is at its lowest in the early hours of the morning. If I have a fever, music and time slow noticeably - I can think 10 minutes have passed and it's only 7 or 8. Even if I try and count the seconds I will be way out, it doesn't relate to boredom, mood or anything.

Anybody else have similar experiences :confused:

[chandrakavi]

Thanks for posting chandrakavi :)

From reading those posts, it made me think that cos time is seemingly just a measure of physical movement, then in the depths of the vacuum of space, where there is no movement, then time can not exist there. Even if there were "stuff" there then there would be no-one to measure the movement of the stuff. If someone was there, then the movement could then be measured, but then this would only go to give credence to the idea that time can only exist where a (human) brain occupies that SAME space and the brain is THINKING about measuring "time".

Thanks for your post Steevo!
well yes , you are absolutely right, the mind is always THINKING about measuring "time"
as you well say. That is the reason why we have "cronological time", watch time, man made truly is finite, artificial and false, but it exists, we made it.
man cannot stay away from measuring things, and time has always been included.
Yeah cronological it can be measured, how long we take from going from A to B and C.
The source of time and death is the mind.
The mind is time, the mind is death.
Through meditation and conciousness you can leave death behind.
And live in what is the essential, REAL TIME. You gain immortality;
the absolute arises in you in all its beauty and splendour, in all ecstasy.
And it is not a goal,(Cronological time) it is the source(Infinity).

Best to you Steevo! :D

[steevo]

One of the reasons why humanity is so uncivilized is the division between mind, body and soul. The reality is that unless all three function in unity, we cannot be whole.


That is a great quote. Thanks.

I wonder if that is what the so-called Holy Trinity REALLY is. Mind, Body, Soul.

I sort of believe that if we can connect with our soul, then we have a direct connection with "God/Oneness".

[chandrakavi]

That is a great quote. Thanks.

I wonder if that is what the so-called Holy Trinity REALLY is. Mind, Body, Soul.

I sort of believe that if we can connect with our soul, then we have a direct connection with "God/Oneness".


Right on Steevo!

[astral_girl]

Time

Most of the early Spritualist writers agree that there is no time and no space in the spirit world. Hare (1855) states there is no division of time, and references to time are only for explanations to those on earth. In the spirit world time is judged by how long it will take to do something, or when an event is to be by how near or far away it is (Farnese, 1901). Crowell (1879) states categorically that there is time like that on earth, and residents even have clocks and watches. He adds, however, that time passes more rapidly there; that one month of our time equals one year in the spirit world.

[chandrakavi]

Time

Most of the early Spritualist writers agree that there is no time and no space in the spirit world. Hare (1855) states there is no division of time, and references to time are only for explanations to those on earth. In the spirit world time is judged by how long it will take to do something, or when an event is to be by how near or far away it is (Farnese, 1901). Crowell (1879) states categorically that there is time like that on earth, and residents even have clocks and watches. He adds, however, that time passes more rapidly there; that one month of our time equals one year in the spirit world.


Thank you astral girl interesting quote!

[zero1]

Time is the concept we use to express the continuity of our perceptions.

But it has no intrinsic value, as all things really happen in Simultaneity, "out of time".

IE. it does not exist.

It has to do with sound. As part of the Universe simulations' digital format, light and sound operate on frequencies only certain degrees of which are perceptible to the 5 atavistic senses. Sound requires a "beat-time" to establish continuity, like in music. Atoms makes "beats" and by counting them in sequence we get the true foundation of Chronon Theory, from which the scientific conception of time is established.

Another school says that Time is how we differentiate one action from the next.

Jews say there was a Time the Creator God decided to create (thus deifying time somewhat, since this implies God is subject to time).

Some say Time is Money, because time spent working productively is exchanged for a dividend in currency, in economics.

But still, however useful all those things are whilst you're in the world, its all just a crock of shit. :)

No CLOCKS.

[chandrakavi]

Time is the concept we use to express the continuity of our perceptions.

But it has no intrinsic value, as all things really happen in Simultaneity, "out of time".

IE. it does not exist.

It has to do with sound. As part of the Universe simulations' digital format, light and sound operate on frequencies only certain degrees of which are perceptible to the 5 atavistic senses. Sound requires a "beat-time" to establish continuity, like in music. Atoms makes "beats" and by counting them in sequence we get the true foundation of Chronon Theory, from which the scientific conception of time is established.

Another school says that Time is how we differentiate one action from the next.

Jews say there was a Time the Creator God decided to create (thus deifying time somewhat, since this implies God is subject to time).

Some say Time is Money, because time spent working productively is exchanged for a dividend in currency, in economics.

But still, however useful all those things are whilst you're in the world, its all just a crock of shit. :)

No CLOCKS.


Great post Zero1! I agree with your last sentence it is all a crocodrile of shit.....

[zero1]

Great post Zero1! I agree with your last sentence it is all a crocodrilee of shit.....

Thank you. :)

[chandrakavi]

:D

Did cronological time exist before humanity was born?
It didn't because there was no need for it. :D

[sunyatta60]

:D

Did cronological time exist before humanity was born?
It didn't because there was no need for it. :D

The problem of Time will be solved when The problem of Mind is solved.
Paul Davies British Physicist in his book The Mind of God

[chandrakavi]

The problem of Time will be solved when The problem of Mind is solved.
Paul Davies British Physicist in his book The Mind of God


Awareness with love would help us all. Thank you.! :D

[chandrakavi]

Osho joke on cronological Time and how we apply it among ourselves:

There came a loud knock at the door, just when the doctor had settled down for a sleep, he got up and asked the man at the door, "what is it?"
"I have been bitten by a dog", the man said,
"Well, don't you know that my hours of consultation are between 12 and 3PM?"
"yes" growned the peasant
"yes, but the dog did not know that, and he bit me at twenty to four"
so what am I supposed to do?
Dogs don't believe in clocks

Another doctor's

Behind the desk it said EMERGENCY , CASUALTY REGISTRATION
A man struggled in bruised and muddy,:eek:
he was full with blood bandages,:(limping on both legs,
clutching his arm to stand the flow of blood,


:D





:cool:



:eek:

he crawled to the desk, and groaned "Doctor, Doctor"!!,
The receptionist asked "Have you an appointment sir?:D:confused:

"Once the cronological time is taken too seriously, then one forgets everything else."


:D :D :D nothing like good humour

[cloudgazer]

Time is the concept we use to express the continuity of our perceptions.

But it has no intrinsic value, as all things really happen in Simultaneity, "out of time".

IE. it does not exist.

It has to do with sound. As part of the Universe simulations' digital format, light and sound operate on frequencies only certain degrees of which are perceptible to the 5 atavistic senses. Sound requires a "beat-time" to establish continuity, like in music. Atoms makes "beats" and by counting them in sequence we get the true foundation of Chronon Theory, from which the scientific conception of time is established.

But still, however useful all those things are whilst you're in the world, its all just a crock of shit. :)

No CLOCKS.

Ah this is very cool!

[chandrakavi]

That is a great quote. Thanks.

I wonder if that is what the so-called Holy Trinity REALLY is. Mind, Body, Soul.

I sort of believe that if we can connect with our soul, then we have a direct connection with "God/Oneness".

Also there is the Trinity of India,
BRAHMA, VISHNU, SHIVA
BRAHMA=The god that is the creator
VISHNU=The god that defends Life
SHIVA= The god that destroys life so we can be re-born (re-incarnated)

People from India when they talk about their trinity talk about Shiva, meaning all three
of them.

They are stages of our lives, all in unity nevertheless.

:)

[steevo]

Many thanks for that info chandrakavi.
That joke was good too and also thought provoking. Nice one :)

[alpha]

hi guys, i honestly dont think i can take anymore of this moronic shite! i am absolutely horrified at the amount of crap on the t.v i find it really hard as a parent to give my kids a balanced view of stuff. when i was younger i was probably prety sad as i always used to watch so called subversive stuff in documentarys and looking back at that stuff now it was probably planted but never the less i still felt that i had a choice as ro what i watched. these days it is pure and utter shite. surely designed to melt the brain!!!:eek:

[sunyatta60]

Do you have any songs folks about Time here is one and I am happy to report it is my nephew singing it so Enjoy:

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=11900846038

[chandrakavi]

"Have you ever noticed in someone who
having a great time?

Have you ever observed two people inlove?

Their TIME overflows with plenitude."



Taken from, ZEN O'CLOCK
The little Book of Time by Sott Shaw

[withthespigotonhot]

I kinda think time is mirrored by flesh, if we stop the aging process we stop what us earthlings know as time, and if we stop dieing we put stone mason out of business because they make the headstones?



i kinda said that already, minus the stone mason part.

[kblood]

I had an interesting discovery of sorts, although it might have to do with perceptional time alone. Or is it percieved time?... anyway:

I usually have my watch 2-3 minutes ahead of time. Then we had to set our watch for daylight savings time and I forgot to do this. Every day was more stressfull thereafter. Getting late for busses / coaches is to be expected, but it was more than just that. It seems I had less time for everything. As if my time is moving faster for me when I set the watch these few minutes ahead.

Anyone care to try it and see if they feel the same?

[mr_kiz]

I don't know much about time itself, All i know is taht apparently the Sumerians 'created' it and also put 360 degrees into a circle and that a Miyan phrophet said we have to go back to natural time before 2012.

[chandrakavi]

I don't know much about time itself, All i know is taht apparently the Sumerians 'created' it and also put 360 degrees into a circle and that a Miyan phrophet said we have to go back to natural time before 2012.


According to Maya's PACALVOTAN, 12:20 is the false time (cronological time also called)
and we should go back to 13:20, natural time, where the 28 moons time were included.
Real time to them.

[xpleet]

Chandra have you read the writings on xeeatwelve.com Exposing time in a lot of the articles.
recommend reading, no comment on the credibility of author from my side

[chandrakavi]

Chandra have you read the writings on xeeatwelve.com Exposing time in a lot of the articles.
recommend reading, no comment on the credibility of author from my side

I have been browsing at it, interesting stuff, thank you xpleet!. :D
http://xeeatwelve.com

[chandrakavi]

In his Classic THE PROPHET, here is what KALIL GIBRAN says on Time:

"And the astronomer said,
Master what is Time?
and he answered:
You would measure time the measureless and the immeasurable.
You would adjust your conduct and even direct the course of your spirit
according to hours and seasons.

Of Time you would make a stream upon whose bank you would sit and
watch its flowering.

Yet the timeless in you is aware of life's timelessness,
And knows that yesterday is but today's memory and tomorrow is
today's dream.

And that that which sings and contemplates in you is still dwelling within
the bounds of that first moment which scattered he stars into space.

Who among you does not feel that his power to love is boundless?

And yet who does not feel that very love, though boundless, encompassed
within the centre of his being, and moving not from love thought to love
thought, nor from love deeds to other love love deeds?

And is not time even as love is, undivided and paceless?

But if in your thought you must measure time into seasons, let each season
encircle all the other seasons.

And let to-day embrace the past with remembrance and the future with
longing"

[chandrakavi]

Time

Most of the early Spritualist writers agree that there is no time and no space in the spirit world. Hare (1855) states there is no division of time, and references to time are only for explanations to those on earth. In the spirit world time is judged by how long it will take to do something, or when an event is to be by how near or far away it is (Farnese, 1901). Crowell (1879) states categorically that there is time like that on earth, and residents even have clocks and watches. He adds, however, that time passes more rapidly there; that one month of our time equals one year in the spirit world.
Interesting quote astral girl, thank you!

[ichi wa zen]

What is Time?

"One of the biggest delusions we as people carry in life lies in the belief of time. Even though we can say events happened “in the past”, and events will happen “in the future”, we do not recognize the very place in which we are recognizing this “past” and this “future”. In order to understand, we need to realize the solitary point in which all matter exists. Unfortunately, our understanding of life is constructed from a conceptual understanding, yet all phenomena lies outside conception. Therefore, it is impossible to awaken to this timeless moment by thinking about it. We can however begin to get an understanding of this timeless moment, without awakening to it. To help us understand this conceptually, we can confer there is only one place in which our hearts ever beat. It is not the past, and it is not the future. The heart is only ever beating now. It will only ever beat now. Likewise, there is only one place in which our imaginations of past and future can be relived, and likewise, we do not relive these imaginations in the past or in the future. We relive them right now. This is the supremely basic fact we overlook when we believe that there was a past and there is going to be a future. We fail to see we are having these thoughts of past and future right now.. the only time in which we could possibly have these thoughts. So our conceptions of time occur in this moment. Isn’t it easy to see now how there is no time? So you may say, if there is no time. If tomorrow does not exist, why should I have to worry about paying my rent? The answer is, while all that exists is this present moment, and the constituents of this present moment are ceaselessly changing, they will materialize and form the position which calendars will interpret the position of the sun to be the first of the month. However it will still be NOW. So plan to pay your rent, and plan for the future. Realize what has happened in the past, even though it DOES NOT exist. While this discussion may sound like a rational explanation of why time does not exist, it is not. It is an understanding. A visceral understanding. And what’s funny, is it’s not so much that time does not exist, it’s more of an explanation of how the moment is the only thing that does exist. However this same understanding of this one and only moment is held (or rather lived) by all those who have had the experience of being enlightened to this timeless moment. This is not a philosophy, and it is not a belief. It is merely what exists outside of the conceptual world we live in. That’s why it’s confusing. Trying to explain it is nearly futile. Furthermore, there is no phenomena that exists apart from this moment. Life is nothing other than energy. Energy itself is timeless. Every amount of energy that has been in existence since trillions of years ago is still here. It exists in the same “here” that always has been here, and it is in the exact place in which it should be. In fact, it is the only place that it possibly can be. The only difference is the energy has changed. Morphed may be a better word. Scientifically it can be called cause and effect. When I say energy I do not mean some metaphysical kind of energy. I am talking about the energy that comprises atoms, our bodies, the sun, etc.

Our mind is constantly beckoning for illumination. Yet our minds are always busy with parallel processes that ironically are not so parallel with the environment around us. When do we ever fully live in this moment? When we drive to work, we are not driving to work, we are instead scheming and planning about what we will do and what has happened to us. How is that for an appreciation for life? Instead of letting life just be as it is, we instead create a world in which we think there is a “self” apart from “others”. There is this body, which is separate from other people’s bodies of course. However, that’s not where the problem lies. The problem lies in living in opposition with this moment. We were not born with mirrors surrounding us. We are born and are naturally enveloped in the selfless world around us. Yet somehow we constantly place “ourselves” in every event that occurs. We reflect back and think that the reason everything happens is because of a personal attack or a personal reason. We are constantly in a defense mode. What’s so so funny, is the world around us is nothing other than ourselves. Our absurd constant reflection of self only has the basis of being a disease that has been passed down from generation to generation. Because of this ridiculous constant thought of me, me, me, we divide our very own lives. Furthermore, our mind is constantly running parallel processes regarding the conceptual bullshit world in which only exists in our delusion. If these parallel processes of ours were to be stopped, the delusion would also disappear and we would see perfectly that this moment is infinite. However it's not that it is only infinite because our mind has stopped, It always is infinite, yet we realize it from this state of mind. True freedom naturally reveals itself because when our processes stop we see the inherent perfection of this only moment. We become 100% intimate with our natural surroundings. And the frustrating part is we are unable to convey this experience to anyone. As the Zen Master Maezumi Roshi said, “(in enlightenment) there is nothing to compare, name, or identify. When it’s the only thing there is, how can we possibly talk about it?”"

[steevo]

A very interesting read, thanks for posting ichi wa zen :)

[kblood]

Everything and nothing exist all at once through the aether of our conciousness. Time is part of this aether, time shapes the aether, just like aether shapes time.

An historian looking through ancient history might find that the subject of his interest, might actually look back ;) A dreamer shaping the future in his mind and around him, might find his creations becomes prophecy, and greet him or her before the end... or after at any rate :D

[chandrakavi]

Stop looking. You'll never find time. It isn't lost.
You're living it. You may have to conciously decide to live it
in certain ways and not others. You have to make time by taking it away from one activity and giving it to another.

Source: Adams---Time management site index

:D :D

[lightgiver]

everything is emptiness,nothing exists outside of your mind,it is all an illusion,created by your self,through self grasping and self cherishing,all the happiness in the world arises from cherishing others and all the unhappiness in the world arises from self cherishing:)

[chandrakavi]

What is Time?

"One of the biggest delusions we as people carry in life lies in the belief of time. Even though we can say events happened “in the past”, and events will happen “in the future”, we do not recognize the very place in which we are recognizing this “past” and this “future”. In order to understand, we need to realize the solitary point in which all matter exists. Unfortunately, our understanding of life is constructed from a conceptual understanding, yet all phenomena lies outside conception. Therefore, it is impossible to awaken to this timeless moment by thinking about it. We can however begin to get an understanding of this timeless moment, without awakening to it. To help us understand this conceptually, we can confer there is only one place in which our hearts ever beat. It is not the past, and it is not the future. The heart is only ever beating now. It will only ever beat now. Likewise, there is only one place in which our imaginations of past and future can be relived, and likewise, we do not relive these imaginations in the past or in the future. We relive them right now. This is the supremely basic fact we overlook when we believe that there was a past and there is going to be a future. We fail to see we are having these thoughts of past and future right now.. the only time in which we could possibly have these thoughts. So our conceptions of time occur in this moment. Isn’t it easy to see now how there is no time? So you may say, if there is no time. If tomorrow does not exist, why should I have to worry about paying my rent? The answer is, while all that exists is this present moment, and the constituents of this present moment are ceaselessly changing, they will materialize and form the position which calendars will interpret the position of the sun to be the first of the month. However it will still be NOW. So plan to pay your rent, and plan for the future. Realize what has happened in the past, even though it DOES NOT exist. While this discussion may sound like a rational explanation of why time does not exist, it is not. It is an understanding. A visceral understanding. And what’s funny, is it’s not so much that time does not exist, it’s more of an explanation of how the moment is the only thing that does exist. However this same understanding of this one and only moment is held (or rather lived) by all those who have had the experience of being enlightened to this timeless moment. This is not a philosophy, and it is not a belief. It is merely what exists outside of the conceptual world we live in. That’s why it’s confusing. Trying to explain it is nearly futile. Furthermore, there is no phenomena that exists apart from this moment. Life is nothing other than energy. Energy itself is timeless. Every amount of energy that has been in existence since trillions of years ago is still here. It exists in the same “here” that always has been here, and it is in the exact place in which it should be. In fact, it is the only place that it possibly can be. The only difference is the energy has changed. Morphed may be a better word. Scientifically it can be called cause and effect. When I say energy I do not mean some metaphysical kind of energy. I am talking about the energy that comprises atoms, our bodies, the sun, etc.

Our mind is constantly beckoning for illumination. Yet our minds are always busy with parallel processes that ironically are not so parallel with the environment around us. When do we ever fully live in this moment? When we drive to work, we are not driving to work, we are instead scheming and planning about what we will do and what has happened to us. How is that for an appreciation for life? Instead of letting life just be as it is, we instead create a world in which we think there is a “self” apart from “others”. There is this body, which is separate from other people’s bodies of course. However, that’s not where the problem lies. The problem lies in living in opposition with this moment. We were not born with mirrors surrounding us. We are born and are naturally enveloped in the selfless world around us. Yet somehow we constantly place “ourselves” in every event that occurs. We reflect back and think that the reason everything happens is because of a personal attack or a personal reason. We are constantly in a defense mode. What’s so so funny, is the world around us is nothing other than ourselves. Our absurd constant reflection of self only has the basis of being a disease that has been passed down from generation to generation. Because of this ridiculous constant thought of me, me, me, we divide our very own lives. Furthermore, our mind is constantly running parallel processes regarding the conceptual bullshit world in which only exists in our delusion. If these parallel processes of ours were to be stopped, the delusion would also disappear and we would see perfectly that this moment is infinite. However it's not that it is only infinite because our mind has stopped, It always is infinite, yet we realize it from this state of mind. True freedom naturally reveals itself because when our processes stop we see the inherent perfection of this only moment. We become 100% intimate with our natural surroundings. And the frustrating part is we are unable to convey this experience to anyone. As the Zen Master Maezumi Roshi said, “(in enlightenment) there is nothing to compare, name, or identify. When it’s the only thing there is, how can we possibly talk about it?”"


Great Post Ichi Wa Zen! :D

[chandrakavi]

Time is eternal, it is infinite love.

check thread on time in : www.************************/index.php by me,
I have PM'd saying I have had my signature taken away, but have had no answer.
so had to place it here in the post. Hope it is not erased.
i n f i n i t e-l o v e-f o r u m. c o m/i n d e x . p h p

[chandrakavi]

Time is not a concept it is energy. So we should say Time IS energy.
So it would be an error to look on time as a concept. Time is not a concept
but an energy; It is meaningless to hold expectations of a concept. It is a divine energy
that you are living, it is within you, with existence. Time simply IS, no beginning and no end, it is eternal.

[kblood]

http://geeksofdoom.com/2006/04/10/superman-series-kal-el-vs-temporal-mechanics/

Yes, the secret of timetravel is rather simple, and I was told by a guy with powers much the same as this superman character how to do it.

Traverse the timelines of our planet diagonally. Timezones and all that accounts for how time also flows around our planet. One thing that seems rather suprising to me is not taking into account how fast our planet is moving on its own. We are all currently flying through space at a very high speed, and compared to other planets, we are therefore timetravelling, or traversing the 4th dimension at a different pace.

Ahh, but its all in part of our mind? Yes of course it is, but then our body is the most solid part of our mind. Our whole body is part of our focus in this dimension of being. It is how we focus on the present and a specific point in the 3rd and 4th dimension. Without it, everything we can do with our body would take much more focus for our spiritual essence or conciousness.

Since our mind is a creator of the reality that happens around us, I also believe it is possible to timetravel simply by focussing our mind on it, and understanding what to have our mind do for us. There is a movie about it, which is interesting although not the best of movies.

So rather simply, going around our planet either following its rotation or going against its rotation changes the flow of time for the people doing so. It has been proven with atomic clocks. The ones who have truly proven it and figured it out, knows how much of a secret it is and why. It seems we might only have one timeline, although I am not completely sure. So if someone goes back in time, and changes something which affects the future, then that might create a new actuall future for everyone, since it changes the way our planet "remembers" it. Still, there are other time travellers, as seen in movies, that could be called time cops. People who makes sure that time is not messed with. So if an accident like the 9/11 was attempted to be prevented with time travelling metods of some kind, they would have to make sure that it still happened anyway.

Hehe... any comments on this? I think my explanation this time came out somewhat well, although its still just based on what I have heard, been told and theorised myself. Its probably 80% theory, still the facts support my theories rather well I think.

[mystiq_99]

Theres alot of questions I have concerning the nature of time. In all of my research, project camelot's interview with Dan Burisch really disturbed me. Basically concerning ets, the orion cube, and the looking glass technology. Also relating to time loops and anomalies that our idiotic governments may have permanently created for our planet. (Ive read alot on the Montauk project and its link to the Philidelphia Project). Actually with Arizona Wilders testimony theres now 3 different meanings to Montauk. One, remote viewing project. Two, looking glass and cube time line 1, time line 2 bizarre and disturbing stuff. Three, satanic type ritual programming and abuse of kids. I can't explain any more cause you'd have to watch the stuff and its so weird. I believe its disinformation, but how much of it is? And for heaven sakes, why tell that kind of stuff? Anyway, I guess my big thing is sequential time. Cause and effect things. For example, the main thing seemed to resolve around these future timeline 2 (which is a disaster timeline for us) humans, ets, giving us a cube that we use that creates the disaster that gives them their future. In other words, the effect has caused cause. Anyway. Would love to here someone elses idea on something like that.

[chandrakavi]

This is what Time is NOT
this is HOLLYWOOD
based on the imagination exercises of
Science Fiction writer H.G. WELLS, very intertaining! This is FICTION.
Enjoy!

"The Time Machine" Trailer - YouTube

[chandrakavi]

FAST, GRAB IT!

This moment has already passed; you will never live it again
When you look forward in time, it seems to you that it will last an eternity

When you look back in time, it seems to you that time has passed as a thunder.

Can you see time?
NO

Then, you should stop searching for it.----

Can you save time?

No, there are no bank accounts for time
---SCOTT SHAW

[mercuryrapids]

Time is the measurement of change. If nothing changed (if no atoms vibrated) then time would not exist because nothing would be happening.

"Ah, but you could measure the period of inactivity."

No, because then something would be happening i.e. you would be measuring the inactivity, so something would be happening. As long as one atom in the universe is doing something, then time can be measured.

In my opinion... :)

[kblood]

Time is traversable and in many ways. Reality is stranger than fiction.

The only reason time travel isnt known to everyone is probably mostly due to we dont want to accept it to be possible.

I am still amazed that the fact that time doesnt exists makes so many believe that it makes for only the present to exist. That is the illusion that we are to believe though. The illusion we mostly believe is that the future is ahead of us and the past is in the past. The fact is everything exists all at once. In our spirit there is not past, present and future, in our spirit it is all one and the same. Technology have quite a few ways of proving it.

[chandrakavi]

You can pay attention to the tic-tac of a clock.
You can contemplate dawn or a sunset.
Nevertheless, that is not time. It's only movement.

Movement is the factor that defines cronological time
From this to that
from that to this.

Stop trying to observe time
and you will be rid of it.

[kblood]

Chronological time is not an illusion that comes from observing it alone. Chronological time is just a way for us to try to define the flow of time, although it flows differently depending on where you are and with what speed you move.

Meditation can help us make time pass differently for us, and the way we feel everything around us. When we dream, time moves very differently for us, because our mind is not bound by time the same way our body is. Our bodys cycles is what makes us feel time. Heart beats, breath, pulse it all reminds us that our body and the world around us is in constant movement.

With our mind we can tune our body into the frequencies of the energy around us, that is how I believe we can change the flow of time for ourselves.

The flaw with chronological time is that it is based on the belief that one hour is the same all around the planet, but it is not, just like it isnt the same in space. Maybe the differences isnt great, but my point is that our soul and spirit is not fixed into the present the same way our body is.

It has been proven that you cannot make clocks that will keep the exact time according to each other. They might be able to if they stand next to each other without moving, and placing them on the same longitude of Earth might also make them keep exactly the same nano second for several years, placing one on the moon, and the other on Earth, and they wont stay exactly the same for very long.

Therefore the illusion of time exists on many levels, and freeing the mind from the illusion of time isnt easy. We were born into it after all :)

[steevo]

Chronological time is not an illusion that comes from observing it alone. Chronological time is just a way for us to try to define the flow of time, although it flows differently depending on where you are and with what speed you move.

Meditation can help us make time pass differently for us, and the way we feel everything around us. When we dream, time moves very differently for us, because our mind is not bound by time the same way our body is. Our bodys cycles is what makes us feel time. Heart beats, breath, pulse it all reminds us that our body and the world around us is in constant movement.

With our mind we can tune our body into the frequencies of the energy around us, that is how I believe we can change the flow of time for ourselves.

The flaw with chronological time is that it is based on the belief that one hour is the same all around the planet, but it is not, just like it isnt the same in space. Maybe the differences isnt great, but my point is that our soul and spirit is not fixed into the present the same way our body is.

It has been proven that you cannot make clocks that will keep the exact time according to each other. They might be able to if they stand next to each other without moving, and placing them on the same longitude of Earth might also make them keep exactly the same nano second for several years, placing one on the moon, and the other on Earth, and they wont stay exactly the same for very long.
Therefore the illusion of time exists on many levels, and freeing the mind from the illusion of time isnt easy. We were born into it after all :)

I dont personally believe that it has been proven. It's not exactly been done in laboratory conditions and it can't be anyway I dont THINK. A clock would operate differently here than on the moon for example. Also, the nano second thing, that amount of time cannot really be considered as proof IMO cos of the margin for error and other factors that influence other minor discrepancies.

The other stuff you said though sounds about right to me :)
If our spirit can float around then maybe we can be infinitely small or as big as infinity and maybe that theory of relativity fits into this somewhere, and the time/space thing maybe too. Have you guys any opinions on this, or maybe I could be getting sort of confused a little and I just dont know enough details on this subject to be able to explain it to you what I mean.
Anyway, it's always interesting reading this excellent thread :)

[kblood]

They have tested sending to atomic clocks in opposite directions around Earth, and when they came back they came back, they werent the same.

The moon part is just taking it to the next level. Our planet is moving through space at some speed, and the moon must actually be moving faster. Then again I guess it might not be spinning since it always faces Earth the with the same side, but its still moving around our planet and must be moving more than Earth is during a year.

I have found several sites claiming this atomic clock experiment, sending to the opposite direction around Earth. One of these planes would be moving faster than the other due to one following Earths rotation and the other flying against it.

Its Einstein's theory of relativity.. or well, the second theory, the one he made after the first one I believe, put to the test. General relativity I think he called it. That time is defined by matter and energy, and how everything moves in relation to everything else.

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Time...
Math genius!
math with lines =>
Math genius! - YouTube

... multiplications ...counted
in...crossings...http://web.math.fsu.edu/~quine/topics02/Lect1/xray_diffraction.jpg

zoogies
if you happen to have bad handwriting, you'll run into a lot of other problems too.

this method is REALLY clever. and it looks cool. maybe it's not the fastest or best for all-purpose use, but so? that's not what math is about.
Ripples of Lighthttp://www.sgeier.net/fractals/thumbs/Ripples_of_Light_s.jpg
Ripples of Light

..... from >> Robot Spider Web http://www.sgeier.net/fractals/thumbs/Robot_Spider_Web_s.jpg
Plasma http://www.sgeier.net/fractals/thumbs/Plasma_s.jpg
The infinite fractal loop:<=HelpNext 5RandomSkip 1=> HomeAsaPenguin (http://www.sgeier.net/fractals/indexe.php)

http://www.lrt-uppervalleyrobotics.com/photos/history/1998Archimedes.jpg..from point to point > (http://www.lrt-uppervalleyrobotics.com/)

webmath/school.discoveryeducation.com/ (http://school.discoveryeducation.com/homeworkhelp/webmath/)

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:cool:
so.. counting
point to point...
taken from >> The infinite fractal loop:<=HelpNext 5RandomSkip 1=> HomeAsaPenguin
[Current]
2008 Gallery: http://www.sgeier.net/fractals/thumbs/Aspire_s.jpg
Aspire (http://www.sgeier.net/fractals/indexe.php)
TIME
there are circles
cubes, calendars
a calendar of maya,
...trans-lates those 2 -D
graphes, words, languages....C
Luc-ian
Il-ea
AE:
For all those who want to understand my Mayan Calendar theory,written in Romanian (http://www.alien-earth.org/forum/message.php?message=17898&mpage=1&showdate=6/8/08)
For all those who want to understand my Mayan Calendar theory,written in Romanian

There is a great new translation tool from Romanian to english at translate.google.com
For instance:

Calendar Mayas
a scientific paper by Lucian Ilea, based on the works of Carl Johan Calleman and January Lungold

1.Introducere
From the ancient times, and civilizatiile have wanted to be able to measure precisely the time and provide the end of history, which has been linked to prestiinta old samani, telepatia and empathy leaders today.
In some civilizations while, as has ours be, and their observations based on a linear flow and constant over time, based on constant rotation movements of the planets around the Sun and the Moon around the Earth, others have preferred an approach in May Direct, based on elementary particles frecventele
Today we know that there are particles in the future are born and die in the past, not keep account of the hotariile dimensional spaces with 3,4,5,7,10,15, etc. sizes (ranging iteratia after row of fibonnaci, attached initial figure 3 sacred, which describes the primary three-dimensional space we live in (and there is a world of 2-D or D-1) until the end of the calendar logic mayas reaching the 40-century cycle, etched on the stela mayasa up to 20 ^ -19 Years) and have periods cyclical evolution / creation of reality ranging from 10 ^ 67 years up to 10 ^ -30 seconds.
So, these ancient civilizations atlanteene (Atlantis comes because of all spiritual knowledge and mathematics) and are based on calendars Instinct, or more precisely the intention to achieve a particular result in the evolution of their awareness by nemurire. (Is that the evolution picosecunda will take one or a billion years)



200 and some days to the end of the universe

Lucian Ilea
6/8/2008
8:07 pm

Re: For all those who want to understand my Mayan Calendar theory,written in Romanian

the whole file is uploaded right now on google docs at :
well,actually it only accepts docs less than 500 kb in size
I saved it on docs.google.com as a text file ,but dont know how to share it with you
send me some requests on kaital_alcor@yahoo.com and I will sent it to you



200 and some days to the end of the universe

http://www.sgeier.net/fractals/thumbs/Chance_Encounter_s.jpg
Chance Encounter

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http://www.lightrail.nl/TramTrain/tt-pics/alicante-TTsketch.jpg

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http://www.lightrail.nl/TramTrain/tt-pics/tt-aidelaide.jpg
Aidelaide (Australia). Rating: A…BBB - (Wallony) http://www.lightrail.nl/TramTrain/tt-pics/tt-liege.jpgThis city in Belgium (http://www.lightrail.nl/TramTrain/tramtrain.htm)
http://www.lightrail.nl/TramTrain/tt-pics/tt-nordhausen.jpg
Second generation project Nordhausen
http://www.lightrail.nl/TramTrain/tt-pics/tt-szeged.jpg
Szeged (Hungary). Rating: C…C+ -

http://www.lightrail.nl/jp/toyama-TramTrain-map.jpghttp://www.lightrail.nl/jp/toyama-citymap.jpg
January 2005 - Toyama (JP) The first tram-train system in Japan will be in Toyama;.. The scheme doesn't imply a connection to the existing urban tramway.
SUMMARY [top] [menu]
http://www.lightrail.nl/TramTrain/vormgeving/lrnlnl.gif
www.lightrail.nl/TramTrain/
TRAMTRAIN: THE 2ND GENERATION
NEW CRITERIA FOR THE 'IDEAL TRAMTRAIN CITY'
Tram-Train systems link urban tramway infrastructure with the regional heavy rail network around cities. After the first generation of those systems in Germany (Karlsruhe and Saarbruecken) new systems evolve now.

...The mid-nineties have been a real boom period regarding TramTrain feasibility studies. Many cities and regions with a regional railway network, with or without an urban tramway and of similar size as Karlsruhe have been asking if the concept is transferable to their situation. Most of these projects have not proceeded or at least been heavily delayed and not given high priority. The reasons differ, but we question whether asking the right basic questions early enough would have avoided big studies which went straight into the archives. ... (http://www.lightrail.nl/TramTrain/)

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http://www.crystalinks.com/hadroncollider5.jpg
The LHC looks a lot like the stargate in the...
Ellie's World Today (http://www.crystalinks.com/elliesworld.html)
(metaphors)

The scene quickly switched to a science laboratory, as if I had moved to events prior to this wedding. Now I was part of the action. I saw myself, part of a different group of entities, a family of sorts, creating an experiment that resulted in the Big Bang. I recognized that I was watching the beginning of everything in all aspects of the word 'program'. In what seemed like a nanosecond or less, I saw explosions, a black void, a long tunnel of light, matter created, as best my mind could conceive/understand the events. I felt myself as a consciousness entity connected to others of like 'mind'.

I woke myself up to remember the details. The digital clock on the night stand read 4:44 (12). As I raced to the computer, to write about the dream before the memories left my 3D consciousness, I remembered the Large Hadron Collider, which most likely triggered the dream.

As Z stood beside me, watching me type, he said, "These are the days of our lives and the experiment is about to end." Is it all a dream? I wondered. Z smiled.


Place this image in Adobe Photoshop
Go to - Image, Adjustments, Brightness/Contrast
Slowly move Contrast to the Max 100
http://www.crystalinks.com/12around1hgblue3.jpg
Watch Reality explode into 12 around 1 and the 6-fold flower of life.
If anyone can animate this, please send me the gif file, thanks!




Large Hadron Collider - Genesis Machine? (http://www.crystalinks.com/largehadroncollider.html)
June 8, 2007

As time draws near for the Large Hadron Collider to be turned on, I created the file posted above, with excellent YouTube information, images, and more. I am really drawn to this, not to mention physics in general, theoretical, that is. Please check out the file and related links.

Metaphysically/metaphorically speaking ... the LHC
Images

http://www.crystalinks.com/hadroncollider.jpg

http://www.crystalinks.com/hadroncollider3a.jpg

http://www.crystalinks.com/hadroncollider2.jpg

http://www.crystalinks.com/hadroncollider4.jpg

http://www.crystalinks.com/hadroncollider6.jpg

http://www.crystalinks.com/hadroncollider9.jpg

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/Zero_o_comparison.svg/150px-Zero_o_comparison.svg.png
See also History of zero (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0_%28number%29#History_of_zero)
Calculating
Long Count dates
Mesoamerican Long Count calendar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesoamerican_Long_Count_calendar#Long_Count_period s)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/Estela_C_de_Tres_Zapotes.jpg/250px-Estela_C_de_Tres_Zapotes.jpg
The back of Stela C from
Tres Zapotes, an Olmec
archaeological site.
This is the second oldest Long
Count date yet discovered. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesoamerican_Long_Count_calendar#Long_Count_period s)
The numerals 7.16.6.16.18
translate to September 1, 32
BCE (Gregorian). The glyphs
surrounding the date are what
is thought to be one of the few
surviving examples of Epi-
Olmec script.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Maya.svg/180px-Maya.svg.png
Mayan numeralsDetail showing three columns of glyphs from a portion of the 2nd century CE La Mojarra Stela 1. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/ba/La_Mojarra_Inscription_and_Long_Count_date.jpg/275px-La_Mojarra_Inscription_and_Long_Count_date.jpg
The left column gives a Long Count date of 8.5.16.9.7, or 156 CE. The two right columns visible are glyphs from the Epi-Olmec script. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesoamerican_Long_Count_calendar#Long_Count_period s)

[steevo]

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[kblood]

Had not seen Edit had posted here. Nice posts :) A bit confusing but nice.

I am puzzled by the Mesotemian tablet. It is said to have a zero in it, although I have been told the ancient human civilizations did not come up with a zero until much later. If this is a true translation of their symbols they did have one meaning 0 in what is said to be the first human civilization on Earth.

[wyndham]

time=perspective/peripheral