false prophets

[mikel84]

Beware of False Prophets (WORKING WITH ILLIMUNATI/NWO):
-Maitreya
-Sananda Immanuel aka fake jesus
-St Germaine/Galactic Federation of Light
-Obama/Antichrist/Lucifer

-The oct14th event with the blossom goodchild translated message was supposedly from ascended lords specifically St Germaine. St Germaine and the galactic federation of light are working with Illuminati, and will bring death and destruction. They did not make an appearance on oct14th, but will in the near future



galactic false prophets
Sananda Immanuel aka fake jesus
http://www.beastprophets.com/images/san-1.gif
Plays the role of "Jesus" in the astral realm and near death experiences. He's the one Michaelangelo painted a portrait of that the churches then accepted as the picture of "Jesus." Most churches today have pictures of this Sananda hanging in them somewhere. Most believers correlate the picture of Jesus that they see as the real Yahushua/Jesus when it is really this Sananda Immanuel who will come to earth playing Jesus, the Son of God. A very good deception. The church was groomed for hundreds of years for this one

http://www.hugoalexander.nl/SanandaPurple.jpg

St Germain
http://www.hugoalexander.nl/MHCHViolinioGermain.jpg

St. Germain false prophet is the one who is supposed to establish NESARA here on earth.

CNN aired a commercial about the Maitreya to decieve people
learn the list that i posted
they are all false prophets/satanists
dont fall for the nonsense that they bring
http://www.balaams-ass.com/JOURNAL/PROPHECY/maitreya.gif

Lord Ashtar
Chief of the Ashtar Council AKA the Illuminati Council. Ashtar Council (the Illuminati Council). Others describe to the Council of Controllers behind the scene governing everything and directing all the secret societies, groups, governments, Illuminati etc.. behind the scenes...
http://www.thejinn.net/images/Ashtar3.jpg

The false prophets are working with governments on earth..Whether its starting a world war, fooling people with miracles and deceit or crashing our society so that they can imprison us, or blasphemy against world religions they will do anything to infilitrate our world

There is a correlation between new world order by our governments and false prophets that are effecting people nationwide. They are all working together and toward the same goal

They must be kicked out of power so that they cannot affect our lives.

[jaylox]

ILLIMUNATI is a bit far out for me..

[Ian2day]

http://abcnews.go.com/primetime/story?id=2925021&page=1

The Jesus of Suburbia is a lie. For I am duality incarnate

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=8319225474254388895&ei=qrLPSbflCoPO-Aai8PzLCg&q=jesus+of+suburbia&hl=en

[majorlee]

where exactly do you get your information from Mikel?

[marpat]

The idea of false prohpets sounds like it has come straight out of the bible.

There is another saying that all words are sacred and all prophets true, save that they only understand a little.

[antiem]

How come you think that St. Germain wants to imprison us? How do you think he works with the NWO/illuminati? Did he ever mention a goal that makes you think that way? Have you any sources?
Why would the Federation of Light want to work with the NWO/illuminati, as they do not really seem to need them, do they? They are much too evolved.
I'm a bit disappointed by your thread, although you of course have the right for your own opinion. But where do you take those informations from?
Do you have any sources?

All my love, Antiem

[fromthatshow]

This sounds all right on to me!

[mikel84]

Urgent

-Two evil sides putting on a show to keep their leader in charge
-Nephilim demons aka governments on earth and galactic demon lords aka ascended master ufos posing as jesus
-Leader/satan demon= Obama...true nature will be revealed when the time is right.


-The nephilim government will stage their own destruction by leaking to the public that 9/11 was inside and performed by them.
-They will reveal their plans to initiate infamous dictatorial regimes, and one world government and martial law

-The galactic demons will promise hope, peace and love and be against the nephilim, but they too want death and destruction so that the antichrist can have a dictatorship government

[1977]

Michelangelo painted Jesus as the Sun God, Apollo:

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/2262/michelangeloslastjudgme.jpg

Obviously he knew exactly what he was doing. ;)

[shrouded]

IF you believe in ascended masters, then you must believe that the only way to ascend is by becoming pure of heart and one with god/the cosmos/the spirit.

IF you believe in the federation of light, then you must have read up on them, if you have done then you wil lrealise they operate on a higher frequency than the one we currently reside on. We must RAISE this vibration for them to come through, and we can only do that by bringing peace to the earth and expressing love to one another. IF they wanted to destroy us then the messages they give us are contradictory to say the least and actually work against them in many ways.

IF the federation of light, sananda, st.germain wanted to control/take us down

They could do it in a much easier way then what they are planning currently.
If the GFOL can communicate wih us telepathically and watch our every moves, it seems we are like fish in a fish tank to them.

Feel free to be a paranoid wreck about your future and how the world and universe is against you

But i urge you not to spread your negative energy to other people, negative energy is one of the most contagious things you can create, and without genuine evidence or logic to support wild accusations your not doing anybody including yourself any favours :)

[romas]

LoL if Jesus came back all the lunatics would kill him again thinking he is faker, I don't want to insult anyones feelings, but don't you guys have any doubt in your own dogmas? Doesn't matter weather you believe or not, it's a little rediculous to be so sure about this phenomenon.

[flip side]

and breathe...

[ging]

Urgent

-Two evil sides putting on a show to keep their leader in charge
-Nephilim government aka governments on earth and galactic government aka ascended master ufos
-Leader/satan demon= Obama...true nature will be revealed when the time is right.

-The nephilim government will reveal their plans to initiate infamous dictatorial regimes, and one world government and martial law

-The galactic government will try to distract people from the real satan demon
-The galactic government will promise hope, peace and love, but they too want death and destruction so that the antichrist can have a dictatorship

Shit, we're fucked. Duck and Cover, People!

[yozhik]

Urgent

-Two evil sides putting on a show to keep their leader in charge
-Nephilim government aka governments on earth and galactic government aka ascended master ufos
-Leader/satan demon= Obama...true nature will be revealed when the time is right.

-The nephilim government will reveal their plans to initiate infamous dictatorial regimes, and one world government and martial law

-The galactic government will try to distract people from the real satan demon
-The galactic government will promise hope, peace and love, but they too want death and destruction so that the antichrist can have a dictatorship

Is this on PlayStation or X-Box?

[strt]

Urgent

-Two evil sides putting on a show to keep their leader in charge
-Nephilim government aka governments on earth and galactic government aka ascended master ufos
-Leader/satan demon= Obama...true nature will be revealed when the time is right.

-The nephilim government will reveal their plans to initiate infamous dictatorial regimes, and one world government and martial law

-The galactic government will try to distract people from the real satan demon
-The galactic government will promise hope, peace and love, but they too want death and destruction so that the antichrist can have a dictatorship

Urgent

-Two evil sides putting on a show to keep their leader in charge
-Nephilim government aka governments on earth and galactic government aka ascended master ufos
-Leader/satan demon= Obama...true nature will be revealed when the time is right.

-The nephilim government will reveal their plans to initiate infamous dictatorial regimes, and one world government and martial law

-The galactic government will try to distract people from the real satan demon
-The galactic government will promise hope, peace and love, but they too want death and destruction so that the antichrist can have a dictatorship

Second explanation really clarifies what you mean.

[size_of_light]

Is this on PlayStation or X-Box?

Second explanation really clarifies what you mean.

:D

[gods sun]

people stop beliving ickes theory because its wrong!!! its peeing me of i dnt mind that you like the idea and belive it but hell dont put it on forum, ive told you many of times the anti-christ isnt the reptilles :mad: the vatican and american goverment make you in that mind state so if they do come to help you are the ones that want to shoot them :mad: and call them anti christ, icke drop the reptillian buisness, and like i said many times everyone took psycodelic drugs which made them see reptillians which many still do in outerbody experiance the reptillians help you and educate you in new creations and imagination now stop it with the reptillian anti christ crap even hollywood want you to think there bad, ye shoot the enlightend and are creators!!! wtf

[nectars]

Is this on PlayStation or X-Box?

lol :D

[gods sun]

ye ha love the comment :D

[haukipesukone]

people stop beliving ickes theory because its wrong!!! its peeing me of i dnt mind that you like the idea and belive it but hell dont put it on forum, ive told you many of times the anti-christ isnt the reptilles :mad: the vatican and american goverment make you in that mind state so if they do come to help you are the ones that want to shoot them :mad: and call them anti christ, icke drop the reptillian buisness, and like i said many times everyone took psycodelic drugs which made them see reptillians which many still do in outerbody experiance the reptillians help you and educate you in new creations and imagination now stop it with the reptillian anti christ crap even hollywood want you to think there bad, ye shoot the enlightend and are creators!!! wtf

I think I'm sort of beginning to agree with you on Icke's view on reptilians. I wouldn't call them good guys or anything, just some sort of beings, some of whom may have been helpful to people, others have been very nasty, and others are just neutral.

Not that I know that much about reptilians, but based on what I've read, the bit about them being intradimensional creatures seems like it could be true. I think Icke focuses too much on the reptilians, and makes them the sole bad guy. I know Icke mentions it's just a small part of the reptilians who are doing that, but still he doesn't really elaborate that much on them. Either he speaks with too little real knowledge on them, or knows quite a bit and misdirects people.

I seem to have posted quite a few "anti-Ickey" comments lately. Oh my.

[arty2000]

Urgent

-Two evil sides putting on a show to keep their leader in charge
-Nephilim government aka governments on earth and galactic government aka ascended master ufos
-Leader/satan demon= Obama...true nature will be revealed when the time is right.

-The nephilim government will reveal their plans to initiate infamous dictatorial regimes, and one world government and martial law

-The galactic government will try to distract people from the real satan demon
-The galactic government will promise hope, peace and love, but they too want death and destruction so that the antichrist can have a dictatorship

start at 10 and countdown to 1 breathing deeply and slowly...feel better:)..btw we will prob. getted nuked before that happens...sleep tight;)

[elysiumfire]

Urgent

-Two evil sides putting on a show to keep their leader in charge
-Nephilim government aka governments on earth and galactic government aka ascended master ufos
-Leader/satan demon= Obama...true nature will be revealed when the time is right.

-The nephilim government will reveal their plans to initiate infamous dictatorial regimes, and one world government and martial law

-The galactic government will try to distract people from the real satan demon
-The galactic government will promise hope, peace and love, but they too want death and destruction so that the antichrist can have a dictatorship

Phew! Whatever you're smoking, man...that is some real good shit! Gimme some...perleeze!

[mikel84]

FALSE PROPHET and ANTICHRIST


As i posted in the OP there are false prophets that are seen in revelations as well as the antichrist.
Well we now know the FALSE PROPHET and the ANTICHRIST

-False Prophet is the maitreya from share international. He claims to be a spiritual leader and his "star" has been seen worldwide and his ads have been on CNN and the Wall Street Journal. The revelations describe him as being an influential spiritual leader that works with the antichrist as a pair.
-taken from redmoonrising.com: The book of Revelation makes it clear that the future Antichrist will be aided by an individual known as the False Prophet. He is the man who helps to convince the world that the Antichrist is worthy and deserving of worship, and ultimately it is he who enforces this worship on penalty of death.

MAITREYA SATANIST FALSE PROPHET
pictures of the star http://www.share-international.org/images/star_caen11.02.09_pre.jpg
normandy
http://www.share-international.org/images/star_tubingen.b.28.2.09_pre.
germany
http://www.share-international.org/images/star_etampes(2)15.2.09_pre.jpg
france
http://www.share-international.org/images/star_cleveland16.2.09_pre.jpg
cleveland, OH, USA
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pictures of maitreya: http://www.share-international.org/maitreya/images/Maitreya1.jpg

-Antichrist is president barack obama. Revelations say man will suade people people with words and promises of hope and peace, but will bring destruction and evil. He will rise to political power out of nowhere.
http://www.patentlyo.com/patent/law/obama_time_cover_102306.jpg

[mikel84]

FALSE PROPHET and ANTICHRIST


As i posted in the OP there are false prophets that are seen in revelations as well as the antichrist.
Well we now know the FALSE PROPHET and the ANTICHRIST

-False Prophet is the maitreya from share international. He claims to be a spiritual leader and his "star" has been seen worldwide and his ads have been on CNN and the Wall Street Journal. The revelations describe him as being an influential spiritual leader that works with the antichrist as a pair.
-taken from redmoonrising.com: The book of Revelation makes it clear that the future Antichrist will be aided by an individual known as the False Prophet. He is the man who helps to convince the world that the Antichrist is worthy and deserving of worship, and ultimately it is he who enforces this worship on penalty of death.

[clachan]

Who can blame any one for feeling negative, look at the state we,re in !! How can it possible to remain all upbeat and happy when ever single second of evary single day little kids are dying horrid deaths, their parents helpless. The fact is you can pretentious happy hippy if you want,I see reality!

[Ian2day]

shutup you incoherant piece of shit

less of the personal insults. There not needed are they?

[merlincove]

i'm not sure about false prophets (and i should know, i've met a few) but the so called 'prophets' that the OP speaks of mostly come through as chaneled messages tainted with whatever BS the chanell seems fit to tarnish names of honour, peace and love with.

Most of what we read is Bullshit.

I doubt very much whether these sages had any say in the messages.

If you are looking for illuminati spies then look to the ones who spout these messages.

[cruise4]

Negative could be positive. Always look at everything. No dogma. Little, if anything, is proven. Which one is cynicism?

[chocolateharpist]

This is the stuff that really interests me but most of it the posts on this subject (and a lot of others) are really very badly written. It takes more time to decipher the grammar and syntax than it does to absorb the message.

[hunter77]

Beware of False Prophets (WORKING WITH ILLIMUNATI/NWO):
-Maitreya
-Sananda Immanuel aka fake jesus
-St Germaine/Galactic Federation of Light
-Obama/Antichrist/Lucifer

-The oct14th event with the blossom goodchild translated message was supposedly from ascended lords specifically St Germaine. St Germaine and the galactic federation of light are working with Illuminati, and will bring death and destruction. They did not make an appearance on oct14th, but will in the near future



galactic false prophets
Sananda Immanuel aka fake jesus
http://www.beastprophets.com/images/san-1.gif
Plays the role of "Jesus" in the astral realm and near death experiences. He's the one Michaelangelo painted a portrait of that the churches then accepted as the picture of "Jesus." Most churches today have pictures of this Sananda hanging in them somewhere. Most believers correlate the picture of Jesus that they see as the real Yahushua/Jesus when it is really this Sananda Immanuel who will come to earth playing Jesus, the Son of God. A very good deception. The church was groomed for hundreds of years for this one

http://www.hugoalexander.nl/SanandaPurple.jpg

St Germain
http://www.hugoalexander.nl/MHCHViolinioGermain.jpg

St. Germain false prophet is the one who is supposed to establish NESARA here on earth.

CNN aired a commercial about the Maitreya to decieve people
learn the list that i posted
they are all false prophets/satanists
dont fall for the nonsense that they bring
http://www.balaams-ass.com/JOURNAL/PROPHECY/maitreya.gif

Lord Ashtar
Chief of the Ashtar Council AKA the Illuminati Council. Ashtar Council (the Illuminati Council). Others describe to the Council of Controllers behind the scene governing everything and directing all the secret societies, groups, governments, Illuminati etc.. behind the scenes...
http://www.thejinn.net/images/Ashtar3.jpg

The false prophets are working with governments on earth..Whether its starting a world war, fooling people with miracles and deceit or crashing our society so that they can imprison us, or blasphemy against world religions they will do anything to infilitrate our world

There is a correlation between new world order by our governments and false prophets that are effecting people nationwide. They are all working together and toward the same goal

They must be kicked out of power so that they cannot affect our lives.

imo anyone claiming to be a prophet or guru is false, it just a distraction. on the mathew deloze thread jo jo has posted an article by matt on this. any one reading this thread should read that:)
http://www.oneballradio.com/node/666...ion=node%2F666
thats the link folks

[romas]

The whole false prophets bullshit is there to keep people scared and confused and ofcourse the stablishment priesthood/guild can tell a fake phorphet from a real one, yeah.

Who are you going let decide for you in matters like these is the real question?

[burial]

Why isnt jesus christ on the list? he should be #1...

[camreeno]

You can't talk about false prophets without mentioning Sai Baba.

From Wikipedia:

Sathya Sai Baba (pronounced /sæt jæ saɪ bæ bæ/) (Telugu: సత్య సాయిబాబా), (born Sathyanarayana Raju on 23 November 1926 [1]) is a South Indian[2] guru, religious figure and educator. He is described by his devotees as an avatar, godman,[3] spiritual teacher and miracle worker.[1][4][5][6][7] He has claimed to be the reincarnation of the great Maharashtrian saint, Sai Baba of Shirdi whose teachings were an eclectic blend of Hindu and Muslim beliefs.[8] He is described as "an extraordinarily compelling orator, gifted with wit."[9]

The Sathya Sai Organization reports that there are an estimated 1,200 Sathya Sai Baba Centers in 114 countries worldwide.[10][11] The number of active Sathya Sai Baba adherents was estimated in 1999 to be around 6 million, although followers' estimations are far higher.[12] Since there are no formal ties of membership, the actual figure may never be known.[8] In India itself, Sai Baba attracts followers from predominantly upper-middle-class, urban sections of society who have the "most wealth, education and exposure to Western ideas."[13] A cultural icon in his home country, Sai Baba has drawn presidents and prime ministers from India and beyond; in 2002, he claimed to have followers in 178 countries.[14]



In reality this guy is a massive con man and child molester. He's mentioned in Icke's book "Children of the Matrix". Basically he goes around supposedly performing miracles, where he will manifest objects out of this air...such as a nugget of gold, necklaces, sacred dust, among other things... when of course none of that is true and he's just duping people with some clever magic tricks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwOecpMkHH0

[mikel84]

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-4457842171141190078&hl=en#

[elirien]

That Ashtar guy made me remember this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YjE1hkYDuo

[michael christopher]

The fact that you've referred to Barack Obama - surely a low henchman in the grand scheme of things - with Lucifer, shows just how tiny of a worldview you are capable of perceiving.

Lucifer would be way smarter than Barack Obama. The only reason his poll numbers are so high is because the damn polls are rigged. He's a nobody, another stooge in the grand scheme of things. Just like all of those people you mentioned, and just like every Christian prophet has ever been.

[annunakis_child]

I just started a thread about a false prophet.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=99719

He gets his prophecies from aliens called Altimarians, the Star Nations, Federation of Light, one alien named "Asheoma Te Ka Meata" and his prophetess Fran, who believes she is an incarnated Mantis alien.
A few weeks ago he gave a message from an alien named "Councilor For the Watchers" who admitted to being a Reptoid.
A couple months ago he sent out an appeal to all his members including his childrens group asking if there were any human volunteers who would consider a romantic and sexual relationship with alien Altimarian males.

Do you think he might possibly be a false prophet?:eek:

[smurf]

Ooookaaay. Someone merged the threads together.
My post is now irrelevant.
>.> Mosey on.

[pound]

Ive seen Icke mention in a few of his books and in some of his videos the faked UFO invasion, coming of Matteya event. It seems judging from his opinion on the matter that Icke himself believes this may happen.
Ive also seen Icke diss the whole Ashtar command thing a few times...I believe he dismisses the idea in Children of the Matrix.

[annunakis_child]

Ashtar Command, Altimarians, the whole bunch of channeled aliens or advanced alien masters is usually nothing but demonic manifestation. Other times it's just peoples imaginations run wild, usually to look important and gain a following.

[fekdemasons]

Is this on PlayStation or X-Box?

LMFAO and Pissed myself !!!:D:D

[fekdemasons]

FALSE PROPHET and ANTICHRIST


As i posted in the OP there are false prophets that are seen in revelations as well as the antichrist.
Well we now know the FALSE PROPHET and the ANTICHRIST

-False Prophet is the maitreya from share international. He claims to be a spiritual leader and his "star" has been seen worldwide and his ads have been on CNN and the Wall Street Journal. The revelations describe him as being an influential spiritual leader that works with the antichrist as a pair.
-taken from redmoonrising.com: The book of Revelation makes it clear that the future Antichrist will be aided by an individual known as the False Prophet. He is the man who helps to convince the world that the Antichrist is worthy and deserving of worship, and ultimately it is he who enforces this worship on penalty of death.

Err ...Sorry but how do we know your not a false prophet and these guys are on the level.

For all we know you could be in league with the antichrist , antisananda or whatever. Galactic ashtray people who look like they borrowed their wardrobe from thunderbirds but added long blonde hair.......

anyway irelevant , WTF should I believe you ??? And not them ??


Cause you say so ...... in the words of Mr Carter, " Stroll on mate "

[mikel84]

bump

[pound]

Err ...Sorry but how do we know your not a false prophet and these guys are on the level.

For all we know you could be in league with the antichrist , antisananda or whatever. Galactic ashtray people who look like they borrowed their wardrobe from thunderbirds but added long blonde hair.......

anyway irelevant , WTF should I believe you ??? And not them ??


Cause you say so ...... in the words of Mr Carter, " Stroll on mate "

LMFAO! Better the Thunderbirds than the Power Rangers! j/k

[romas]

Here's one stumbled upon accidentally, what a waste of carbon...

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/11040/McCain__s_Spiritual_Guide/

[mikel84]

bump

[ufochick]

This is the stuff that really interests me but most of it the posts on this subject (and a lot of others) are really very badly written. It takes more time to decipher the grammar and syntax than it does to absorb the message.

You need to read it like people are saying it, not like it's a school book. ;) I've never had an issue and I read a LOT of all types of things.
The only thing I can't deal with are the huge blocks of type with no indents. Do also remember that not everyone here has english as a first language. And as far as spelling goes? LOL if I can easily figure out what word they mean I'm fine with it.

[mikel84]

NESARA is a SCAM!

Nesara is a hoax that will NOT restore constitutional rights

[jamesc]

The fact that you've referred to Barack Obama - surely a low henchman in the grand scheme of things - with Lucifer, shows just how tiny of a worldview you are capable of perceiving.

Lucifer would be way smarter than Barack Obama. The only reason his poll numbers are so high is because the damn polls are rigged. He's a nobody, another stooge in the grand scheme of things. Just like all of those people you mentioned, and just like every Christian prophet has ever been.

I suppose if you take the Christian concept of Evil or the source of that perception of Evil Satan ect.. then you accept the reality of a Christ also.If one looks at the OCCULT perceptions of Evil then a whole new understanding and perception manifests.What i am saying is the biblical perceptions of Evil or the main source,(Satan ect) is filled with speculations and lack of understandings of Evil and its source.

There is Evil that is necessary in the forms of say destruction of a house to make way or build a new house, that is viewed as positive evil.Now there is organised evil, that is to say it has become AWARE of its self and became independent of the evil that is needed in the destruction of the house metaphor.This evil is pure and dissociates its self from necessary evil or negative forces. The COSMIC DOCTRINE BY DION FORTUNE goes into some depth and detail in the differences between these to evils. Sorry for ranting a bit but the public's perception of Satan and evil and the source is blinded by ignorance taught through various mainstream religions.


http://www.mercuryrisingbooks.com/images/large/Cosmic%20Doctrine_LRG.jpg

[romas]

I think you mean chaos versus coordinated evil? chaos just fucks everything up including itself regardless of anything.

[jamesc]

I think you mean chaos versus coordinated evil? chaos just fucks everything up including itself regardless of anything.

Yes, chaos is self destructive and in a sense a limitation but coordinated evil is a limitation too as it seeks to destroy anything that is not of its fold, so limitation instead of infinite love is not to be confused with chaos.The below is a small extract from the Cosmic Doctrine.I would recommend a good read of this book.:cool:


Evolution is a thrust from the circumference towards the centre.
Devolution, or dissolution, is a suction into outer space.
The Ring-Chaos does not belong to the sphere it encircles, but
to outer space. That is an important point in connection with it.
The Ring-Cosmos has its desires turned towards the sphere
it encircles.

The Ring-Chaos has its desires turned towards the space that
encircles it.

The Ring-Cosmos seeks to extend the centre.

The Ring-Chaos seeks to extend the circumference.

The Ring-Cosmos tends to solidify by contraction.

The Ring-Chaos tends to return to the Unmanifest whence it
arose, and therefore, if its influence were unchecked, to reduce the
sphere it encircles to nothingness.

The Ring-Cosmos, if its influence were unchecked, would be
static in the immediate present.

These two influences are the source of all the force in the
Cosmos. The Ring-Cosmos, because it concretes—builds up. The
Ring-Chaos, because it diffuses—never grows.

Now, these two Rings we will call Good and Evil; Life and
Death; Light and Darkness; Spirit and Matter; Being and Not-
Being; God and Devil, because each of these potencies has its
root in its respective Ring, But let it be clearly conceived that the
Ring " Good " and the Ring " Evil" are not " good " and " evil "
as you understand these terms, but merely spinning circles of force
at right angles to each other, and therefore in opposition; and it
is merely the angle of the first to arise which is called "good,"
and the angle in opposition to the prime plane which is called
" evil," and it might well be that in another Cosmos,
the first plane
would begin to spin at another angle—the angle of your "evil."
It would still be "good" to its Cosmos/because "good" and
" e v i l " do not depend upon any angle or plane, but are simply
relative to each other. The first force to arise is called "good"
because, from it, arises the line of force called evolution.
All
subsequent secondary forces are measured by that standard.

[turquoisefire777]

false prophets are really anti-christs. i know that sounds "biblical", but they are very real, and like to be deceiving. in fact, it seems to be their job.

and guarding yourself against the anti-christ/judas iscariot energies is also a good idea, since there is a constant onslaught on this energy everywhere. -except for some of you...you kNOW you are anti-christs in the making...and you will perish too...;)

my list of false prophets or anti-christs:

joseph chiappalone (http://www.xeeatwelve.net/articles/it_is_done_it_is_finished.html)

david shayler

lucifer

prolly all the other "archangels"

tim rifat (self proclaimed AC on 9/9/9)

sun myung moon

etc.

[jamesc]

false prophets are really anti-christs. i know that sounds "biblical", but they are very real, and like to be deceiving. in fact, it seems to be their job.

and guarding yourself against the anti-christ/judas iscariot energies is also a good idea, since there is a constant onslaught on this energy everywhere. -except for some of you...you kNOW you are anti-christs in the making...and you will perish too...;)

my list of false prophets or anti-christs:

joseph chiappalone (http://www.xeeatwelve.net/articles/it_is_done_it_is_finished.html)

david shayler

lucifer

prolly all the other "archangels"

tim rifat (self proclaimed AC on 9/9/9)

sun myung moon

etc.



Yes i see where you are coming from but again the fundamental understanding of the true nature and purpose of what we call evil is much more than the human perceptions of it.The below again from the Cosmic Doctrine is worthy of note, i feel anyway.




T H E COSMIC D O C T R I NE
"good." In so far as they approach to a right angle, they are
reckoned to be in opposition, and are called " evil." Evil is simply
that which is moving in the opposite direction to evolution. Evil
is that which approaches the plane of movement of the Ring-
Chaos, and therefore tends to revert to the Unmanifest. All evil
that builds up with a universe is attracted towards the Ring-Chaos
and is self-destroyed, because the very idea " evil" implies a force
which tends to non-existence.

So you can conceive of evil under two aspects:—
(a) That which enables you to lock up the forces of good by
opposition, and so secure stability—a foothold; evil enables you
to get a purchase on space.

(b) Evil, if allowed to function unopposed, is the Scavenger
of the Gods. Therefore, said a Great One, "Resist not evil."
When you resist evil you lock up good, you lock up the force of
good which holds the evil inert. This serves no useful purpose,
unless you have a superabundance of good which shall stand upon
the platform thus formed and leap up from it to greater heights.
Therefore, it is not enough to meet hate with love—evil with good :
this is the course of the ignorant, and the reason why exoteric
religion has made so little impression in the world.

You must meet
hate with hate sufficiently to cause a locking-up of the force. You
must hate the hate, and, having rendered evil inert by opposition,
the love can take its stand upon the firm platform and use it as a
thrust-block.

Therefore, you only oppose evil when you wish to do constructive
work—when you wish to make something new. You never
oppose the evil which you mean to destroy. You make a vacuum
round it. You prevent opposition from touching it. Then, being
unopposed, it is free to follow the laws of its own nature, which is
to join the motion of the Ring-Chaos.

It, therefore, passes out to
the periphery of the universe till it meets the spin of the Ring-Pass-
Not which it cannot get through, but it has gone to a place of such
primitive simplicity that it is resolved into its own elements, and
these elements are drawn into the attraction of the nearest motion,
which is the nature of the Ring-Cosmos, which is the nature of good.


Therefore, evil, when unopposed, resolves itself into the
undifferentiated raw material of existence—the first form of
manifestation. It ceases to be organised. It ceases to have
qualities. It starts afresh at the beginning, transmuted through
neutrality into good.
16

T H E F O R C E S O F ( N E G A T I V E ) EV I L
It is the spin of these two Rings which gives the influences
that play upon creation.

You are now in a position to know why the mystery of evil
is the secret of the Initiates,* because when you understand evil it
is exceedingly useful. But the undisciplined man, if he knew the
usefulness and goodness of evil, would use it dynamically oh the
positive side of its manifestation, not statically by availing himself
of its negative qualities as does the Initiate.

* Where, in this book, the word " Initiate" is spelt with a capital
" I " an illuminated adept is to be understood.;):cool:

link for the complete download of this book in pdf format;
http://preterhuman.net/texts/religion.occult.new_age/occult_library/Dion%20Fortune%20-%20The%20Cosmic%20Doctrine/Dion%20Fortune%20-%20The%20Cosmic%20Doctrine.pdf

[elton]

Would DI fit the description of a False Prophet?

[jamesc]

Would DI fit the description of a False Prophet?

Depends on how far down the rabbit hole one has gone to be able to speculate on your question,tell me how far have you been down the rabbit hole.:rolleyes:Nothing false in DI, i can only see false accusations and character attacks on DI from people who judge from the top of the rabbit hole but NEVER GO DOWN IT.:cool:;)

[rockinrobinsuk]

I'm confused.com :confused:

[elton]

Depends on how far down the rabbit hole one has gone to be able to speculate on your question,tell me how far have you been down the rabbit hole.:rolleyes:Nothing false in DI, i can only see false accusations and character attacks on DI from people who judge from the top of the rabbit hole but NEVER GO DOWN IT.:cool:;)

So did he say he was the son of god or didn't he?

[jamesc]

So did he say he was the son of god or didn't he?

Ah raising that old debunker and character assassination attack again.This has been covered widely in other threadS on this forum.Why don't you e-mail David and ask him or has the media already made your mind up for you.I take it you are aware of what David was going through at that time when he appeared on the Wogan show or what was happening to him.Seems that you have not studied Davids work or you would not have raised that question.

His comments on that show where totally taken out of context when he said the so of God remark.We are all the sons and daughters of God or source he was meaning but the media in the ferocity of their attack ignored what he meant.Mind you the way his talk presentations now and in the past have sold out months in advanced do show that not all people succumb to word twisting and manipulation by the media.:D:D

Its looking more and more like you are here on this forum for a piss take, if you believe David to be deluded then, WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU ON HERE.And like the times before i have asked you this question many times before without an answer from you that fact re-enforces my assumption that you are here on this forum to ridicule.So why are you on David's forum.:rolleyes::cool:

[elton]

Ah raising that old debunker and character assassination attack again.This has been covered widely in other threadS on this forum.Why don't you e-mail David and ask him or has the media already made your mind up for you.I take it you are aware of what David was going through at that time when he appeared on the Wogan show or what was happening to him.Seems that you have not studied Davids work or you would not have raised that question.

His comments on that show where totally taken out of context when he said the so of God remark.We are all the sons and daughters of God or source he was meaning but the media in the ferocity of their attack ignored what he meant.Mind you the way his talk presentations now and in the past have sold out months in advanced do show that not all people succumb to word twisting and manipulation by the media.:D:D

Its looking more and more like you are here on this forum for a piss take, if you believe David to be deluded then, WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU ON HERE.And like the times before i have asked you this question many times before without an answer from you that fact re-enforces my assumption that you are here on this forum to ridicule.So why are you on David's forum.:rolleyes::cool:

You should not be scared of a bit of cynicism. The fact that you react aggressively with your swearing suggests you are scared of criticism. You would do your cause a bit more help if you were to be a bit more suspicious of some of the "experts" you like to quote. Some may not be the "experts" you think they are. Try investigating "Lefty" Levengood, the crop circle node analysis guy. Why did Hasselhof say the alien face crop circle is an "elaborate fake"? Do you believe him?

And quit with the swearing.

[mind1universe]

Ah raising that old debunker and character assassination attack again.This has been covered widely in other threadS on this forum.Why don't you e-mail David and ask him or has the media already made your mind up for you.I take it you are aware of what David was going through at that time when he appeared on the Wogan show or what was happening to him.Seems that you have not studied Davids work or you would not have raised that question.

His comments on that show where totally taken out of context when he said the so of God remark.We are all the sons and daughters of God or source he was meaning but the media in the ferocity of their attack ignored what he meant.Mind you the way his talk presentations now and in the past have sold out months in advanced do show that not all people succumb to word twisting and manipulation by the media.:D:D

Its looking more and more like you are here on this forum for a piss take, if you believe David to be deluded then, WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU ON HERE.And like the times before i have asked you this question many times before without an answer from you that fact re-enforces my assumption that you are here on this forum to ridicule.So why are you on David's forum.:rolleyes::cool:


Get off you high and pikey obsession with icke. And for the love of God don't defend Icke for going on about that it was just a mistake that Icke thought he was the son of god and it was just pure random. He said he himself was the son of God, if he meant everyone was the son of god, he would have said so. He didn't

You have been listening to much to Icke that's the problem, so yet again you can be deceived.


He went out in the public to self aclaim "he is the son of God". Jesus didn't even say that for crying out loud. He also said assertions to the media before that. He was asked by people was he the second coming and he said yes. When we was asked about been the Son of God he talked about Jesus in Third person as if it were him making the predictions of the flood and what not. Which is what Jesus said will happen in his second return. So icke did basically do the whole event live on T.V to millions.

Dude your the one that needs to get real,.


If there was a false prophet, DI would be one of the best contenders. Why?

Because your falling for it. Which is the point of been a false prophet.

[jamesc]

Get off you high and pikey obsession with icke. And for the love of God don't defend Icke for going on about that it was just a mistake that Icke thought he was the son of god and it was just pure random. He said he himself was the son of God, if he meant everyone was the son of god, he would have said so. He didn't

You have been listening to much to Icke that's the problem, so yet again you can be deceived.


He went out in the public to self aclaim "he is the son of God". Jesus didn't even say that for crying out loud. He also said assertions to the media before that. He was asked by people was he the second coming and he said yes. When we was asked about been the Son of God he talked about Jesus in Third person as if it were him making the predictions of the flood and what not. Which is what Jesus said will happen in his second return. So icke did basically do the whole event live on T.V to millions.

Dude your the one that needs to get real,.


If there was a false prophet, DI would be one of the best contenders. Why?

Because your falling for it. Which is the point of been a false prophet.



Show we where he said he was the son of God and claimed he was the second coming.You have even stated that this was a mistake by him , so does this mean that people who make mistakes are false in all they do or are out to deceive.His quote on the son of god was taken out of context by the media, now you tell me who is the deceivers here in mind manipulation , DI or the MSM.As for defending DI i will do it always not because as you would like to perceive me of being deceived but because my intuition is saying he is right in most things he has exposed.

Are you not forgetting that this is DI forum and you wonder why i would defend him.Seems that the MSM has managed to manipulate some peoples perceptions of DI on here.The fall you speak off is pretty much closer to home than people who come out and are not afraid to defend DI.i WILL DECIDED IF I NEED TO GET REAL BECAUSE THERE IS NO AUTHORITY BUT YOUR SELF.:cool:

[jamesc]

You should not be scared of a bit of cynicism. The fact that you react aggressively with your swearing suggests you are scared of criticism. You would do your cause a bit more help if you were to be a bit more suspicious of some of the "experts" you like to quote. Some may not be the "experts" you think they are. Try investigating "Lefty" Levengood, the crop circle node analysis guy. Why did Hasselhof say the alien face crop circle is an "elaborate fake"? Do you believe him?

And quit with the swearing.



I will in this reply to you again cover over old ground;:rolleyes:

On Hasselhof;
So his reasons that he thinks that this formation is hoaxed/man-made is basically from his "gut feelings" .He did not do any research on the crop or soil from the formation. Of course i respect his conclusions and coming from him it has to be respected, its a pity that no further tests where done on the crop and soil from this formation to show ANY anomalies. He has stated that his reasons for him reaching his conclusions on this formation being a possible hoax is based purely on his GUT FEELINGS outlined above.I THINK THAT FURTHER STUDY OF THE CROP AND SOIL WAS NEEDED IN SUCH A FORMATION.Hasselhof defended
Levengood and the BLT research findings in a paper he wrote once i will find it and post it later.;)



In a 2001 commentary for Physiologia Plantarum, Hasselhoff looked at node abnormalities documented by Levengood and Talbott in three Dutch formations to see if they could be correlated to the effects that would be created by an ?electromagnetic point source? above the center of a circle, emitting heat. Strange lights had been documented during the formation of one of these circles.

According to Hasselhoff?s calculations, the measured abnormalities could be explained ?by assuming that a ball of light had caused the node swelling effect.? A previous study by Levengood had also shown a linear correlation between the changes in the plants and their distance from a central energy source, with node affects more pronounced at the center of the circle.




There is in my view more than one way to investigate formations and that is from people who are Psychic.The below is from such a person when they entered the Alien face crop formation.


The Sparsholt Face;

A day or two ago I visited a new crop formation which came down near Sparsholt, just a few miles east of Winchester England. In all my years of croppying, this has been one of the most fundamental and deeply stirring of experiences, a privilege for which I feel deeply grateful. So I thought I'd send you a report of my subjective experience of the formation - or more correctly, of the 'space' within it. I went with Sheila, my partner, Tulki, my 6 year-old son, and Steve Alexander and Karen and Kayleigh Douglas.

To see the formation, go here: www.temporarytemples.co.uk/2002-face.html

The picture the formation makes is impossible to distinguish on the ground. Unlike most formations it is not swirled and flowing, but definitely right-angular in the lay of the wheat. The face part is made up of parallel lines of varying thickness, using a 'rasterising' effect to create a subtly shaded image, as seen from above. Though Steve told me that, while hovering over it in a helicopter, it was very difficult to perceive exactly what the picture was, so he photographed it from as many angles as possible, and only saw the full picture when the film was developed.

The formation was very energy-dense. When we approached it I was in quite a balanced and calm state. Stepping into the first bit of the formation (its 'frame') I suddenly felt shocked, as if falling suddenly into the deep end, out of my depth. The magnitude of the experience was quick to be felt - a heart-fluttering thing. I felt almost forcibly 'pulled within' and found that, although there were several old friends there, my social skills were zeroed out immediately.

It wasn't unpleasant, and I think everyone there was experiencing roughly similar things. As with some other formations, I felt as if I could be seen inside by X-ray eyes above me, read off and monitored. It's as if our normal relativistic universe dissolves, leaving us in empty, wide-open space - though, in another sense, as if we've come home - a bit like landing in a foreign country and feeling instantly familiar with it, even if you don't speak the language.

The 'energy-signature' of the formation was different from others I've been in. In the 'main series' formations over the years, I get quite an intimate feeling of a presence or of energy-fields, but these presences distinctly don't want to tell who they are or what they are saying or doing. It's a bit like being a child watching an adult, without understanding why adults do what they do though nevertheless knowing that there must be some reason and sense to it which is beyond us.


It seems that the main point of these is to present us with unanswerable questions which have a deeply transformative effect on consciousness and our sense of reality. An opportunity for communion, a chance to step into 'their' world while remaining on or in 'ours'. It seems clear to many croppies that these beings are not ETs as such, but interdimensional beings of a non-physical yet non-earthly nature. We don't know who they are, but somehow we know them well, and the experience is recognisable, tweaking deep memory, even if unique and entirely new. Then, of course, there are those who are desperate to assert that crop formations are man-made, but, sad to say, that's their problem, and their cosmic constipation will no doubt one day be relieved!

This formation felt like a personal message from a specific being, with a distinct identity 'he' was revealing to us. Sheila said she felt it was a rather shy being, tentatively offering itself to us, to see how we would respond. Clearly, the face in the aerial photos is an ET face - unlike the Face at Chilbolton (six miles from this one) last year, which was humanoid. The picture, when first seen, brings up mixed reactions, but the atmosphere in the formation is undoubtedly friendly and benign.

The Face of 2001 looked straight at us. To me it said 'We are watching/eyeballing you - and we are you watching yourselves'. The 2002 face looks over our left shoulder - and the feeling I got was that it was looking and communicating with our soul, which stands, as it were, just behind us (perhaps because we omit fully to incorporate our core and heart into our worldly lives).

I looked and felt my way around the face part of the formation for a while, but was drawn into the disk - and everyone else was there too, mostly lying on their backs and 'far away'. (It was a bit like a who's who of currently active croppies, actually!). The disk reminds me of psychic experiences I've had, of being given a 'rote ball', a hologram-bundle of multidimensional information which, once given, unfolds itself gradually over time (rather like being given a CD of information to look through, as you find ways of opening the files in it). Settling down close to the centre of the disk,

I went inside and felt as if an energy-information download had started to take place. At one point Tulki, my son, spoke to me, and I surfaced, only to feel that the download was half-way through, so I went inside again to complete the download, and a point came where I felt it was complete. A few others verified this experience too. God knows what happens next, with that experience, and today (Sunday), the day following, I'm left wondering what to do with it or, more specifically, what this ET wants of me. It feels totally okay, and a great blessing - and I guess I'll find out!

I opened my eyes at one stage and saw Tulki alone in another part of the formation, just standing there for some minutes, silent and utterly still, staring into space. There was a crackling, crisp aura around him, and he was just being. Later, he came charging toward us waving a few stalks of wheat, as if carrying a sparking antenna or a magic wand, and waving them around. Something in him probably knows more about all this than we so-called adults do.

The 'disk' is made up of a fine spiral, with 'blips' on it which are spaced and sized in such a way as clearly to represent a coded and decodable message - my croppy friend Michael Glickman, earlier in the day, had said "Well, that's given me a winter's-worth of work to do!". Someone will hopefully decode it in due course by linearising the 'track' of the spiral and analysing the patterns and spacing of the 'blips'.


Virtually all previous formations (except the Chilbolton 'Face' and 'Code' of 2001) distinctly represent clear patterning, mathematical principles and geometry, while the specific 'message' cannot be interpreted, at least in the language and concepts we currently possess. Yet this seems to be something we can decode, a specific message from a specific source. Some people threaded the spiral of the disk but, frankly, my capacity for physical movement was strongly reduced (until I left the formation, when it returned), so I didn't do that. My body felt like stiffened rubber, stable and grounded, but in another way my motion-connectors weren't wired up and motion was thus reluctant.


Subjectively, I felt that each blip on the disk's spiral was not just a piece of information, but a kind of 'file name' to a whole bundle of information in its own right - it felt as if a whole library, not just a statement, was being given. I presume that a series or sequence of insights or life-experiences might follow from here.

This felt to me like a distinct 'close encounter' - a very intimate one, perhaps closer than we can get to our own selves. Everyone stayed there for a few hours - it was difficult to leave, as if we were already 'home'. While in the formation and reflecting on the experience, I was aware of being a part of history. Perhaps the men who were with John Cabot when he 'discovered' Newfoundland in the 1400s would not have been aware of all that would unfold thereafter, and of the subsequent significance of their landfall (the whole history of USA/Canada).


I felt this was similar, as if more will unfold in the centuries to come which will render this event significant in a new light. Of course, this event should be front-page news, but its true significance will hardly be noted or seen publicly. The materialists amongst us might well ask "What has this to do with Iraq, guns, cars and stock markets?" and, although the logical connections are perhaps flimsy, I'd say this event is totally relevant, by dint of its timing and also the larger light it throws on our vexatious human affairs.

'We have contact', and those of us who are open to it, whether or not you can visit the crop formation, need perhaps to send back the signal "Message received with thanks! And we await further developments". I do find myself wondering what I am to do with this gift, though I trust that answers will be revealed in due course. But one immediate conclusion is that I find myself reaffirming my commitment to the life-path I have chosen. Even though it's a ridiculously small number of people involved in croppie research, I feel blessed to be one, to suspend my intellectual neuroses, metaphysical control agendas and fear of madness and the Unknown, or of loss of reputation or friends, and to simply follow this trail.

Thanks for reading this - I hope it gives a taste of what's going on. The crop season is now ending - the combine harvesters are out as we speak - and the formation will probably be gone within days. These things are not built to be permanent. The wheat was crisp and ripe - most people were nibbling at it! However, several of us feel there is one more crop event to go this year. We shall see.


On a number of occasions i have asked you to explain the nature of your posts that seem to indicate that you are really hear for the piss take and do not think twice of ridiculing.Could you this time answer the questions below truthfully.

1.Can you explain why you stated once in a post that all crop formations are alien but the nature of your posts is to attack people like Levengood and the BLT research findings.
2.What views,perceptions or beliefs do you either share or agree with David Icke.
3.Do you share the views with David that we live in a illusionary vibration that is being systematically manipulated by inter- dimensional intelligences of a reptilian origin.
4.Why do you never start any threads but occasionally wade in with either double talk or borderline ridiculing.
5. Are you calling David Icke a false prophet in the nature of your post you made on this thread.If not then why raise a question of this nature.
6 Do you think its inevitable that some one like me ,(who is very sympathetic to David's work and his nature of information ),would become a bit pissed off with someone who is appearing to be speaking in double talk start fecking swearing.:confused:


You should really look a bit closer to the experts you are trying to debunk ,( Levengood), before calling them names.I am not afraid of criticism but i will defend someone i believe is being unfairly targeted for ridicule and character assassination.No sign of guilt with me mate for i have nothing to hide, have you.The clear signs of guilt are not answering questions.

"I MAY NOT AGREE WITH WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BUT I WILL DEFEND WITH MY LIFE YOUR RIGHT TO SAY IT". :D

[mind1universe]

Show we where he said he was the son of God and claimed he was the second coming.You have even stated that this was a mistake by him , so does this mean that people who make mistakes are false in all they do or are out to deceive.His quote on the son of god was taken out of context by the media, now you tell me who is the deceivers here in mind manipulation , DI or the MSM.As for defending DI i will do it always not because as you would like to perceive me of being deceived but because my intuition is saying he is right in most things he has exposed.

Are you not forgetting that this is DI forum and you wonder why i would defend him.Seems that the MSM has managed to manipulate some peoples perceptions of DI on here.The fall you speak off is pretty much closer to home than people who come out and are not afraid to defend DI.i WILL DECIDED IF I NEED TO GET REAL BECAUSE THERE IS NO AUTHORITY BUT YOUR SELF.:cool:

You are gullable.

[jamesc]

You are gullable.

Well if i am something has drawn me to consider DIs work and i for one see no reason to dismiss Davids information.I perceive the fabrications and manipulations from the MSM to be the primary source of mind and information manipulation. David does suffer enough from the MSM without it happening on here.Tell me how gullible is it to consider what DI is revealing to the fabricated bullshit:D we are ALLOWED to perceive in the forms of MSM manipulations from the media of most events. What drew you to David's site:confused: i bet you it was not gullibility.:cool:

[mind1universe]

Well if i am something has drawn me to consider DIs work and i for one see no reason to dismiss Davids information.I perceive the fabrications and manipulations from the MSM to be the primary source of mind and information manipulation. David does suffer enough from the MSM without it happening on here.Tell me how gullible is it to consider what DI is revealing to the fabricated bullshit:D we are ALLOWED to perceive in the forms of MSM manipulations from the media of most events. What drew you to David's site:confused: i bet you it was not gullibility.:cool:


I don't think the MSM manipulate anything with regards to icke. Which is odd again considering how long hes been around. The only thing the MSM did was ridicule him for calling himself the second coming and the son of God. It's a bit rich to go on the offense in relation to the MSM when Icke worked for the devil of MSM media the BBC..

What difference does it make if I'm on here or not. I've never said I was an icke follower.

[elton]

I don't think the MSM manipulate anything with regards to icke. Which is odd again considering how long hes been around. The only thing the MSM did was ridicule him for calling himself the second coming and the son of God. It's a bit rich to go on the offense in relation to the MSM when Icke worked for the devil of MSM media the BBC..

What difference does it make if I'm on here or not. I've never said I was an icke follower.

It seems James wants everyone on here to be a "follower" of the false prophet, DI and that those who disagree should not be here. So much for balance.

[jamesc]

I don't think the MSM manipulate anything with regards to icke. Which is odd again considering how long hes been around. The only thing the MSM did was ridicule him for calling himself the second coming and the son of God. It's a bit rich to go on the offense in relation to the MSM when Icke worked for the devil of MSM media the BBC..

What difference does it make if I'm on here or not. I've never said I was an icke follower.

Again would you show where he said he was the son of god and and him calling himself the second coming.Its a bit rich to suggest that the MSM where not aware of any of his previous books and what DI was beginning to suss out is it not.I did not ask you if you where a DI follower and you use the word follower as something in the cult meaning , i am not a follower of DI i am an admirer of him and agree with a lot of the things he has exposed.

Do you honestly think that there has been NO manipulation, character assassination attempts or ridiculing or even things he said taken out of context to attack his sanity.:eek: There have been plenty of MSM tabloids printing bullshit about him from day one mate , fact.You also seem not very well versed in DIs work or books, yes he worked in the MSM and was also a goal keeper of a football team BEFORE he had his experiences that led to him appearing on the wogan show and researching for himself Its a bit rich to attack him with that one mate.

Have you researched the amount of information DI has over a 30 year period, have you travelled the world speaking to different people, spending your own time and money?: Forgive me if i sound negative but until you do what DI has done through out his life then you will be in a better POSITION to DEBUNK and i will be in a better position to agree with your pontificating.:cool:

[jamesc]

It seems James wants everyone on here to be a "follower" of the false prophet, DI and that those who disagree should not be here. So much for balance.

No you are wrong mate its you who is not wanting anyone to perceive that DI just,just might be right eh.You take about ballance but shy away from questions put to you.There is NO balance in the nature of your posts, you double talk , judging by the content of your previous posts on here in different threads.You also contradict yourself by the nature of some of your previous post.You suddenly appear on threads with quotes like "aliens make crop circles ,they are trying to comunicate", all crop circles are alien" then the nature of your post changes to axsaclty the oppisite of the above quotes.I really feel that you are on here to take the piss out of people who have a genuin interst in DI, UFOs and the nature of this site.So what is it with you, why are you not on one of the sceptics forums.I would direct your attention: to the following below, do not think that by deliberate or masked ridiculing you cannot easily exposed as a possible shitsturrer.


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BEHIND THE HOAXERS - PHYSICISTS, SCIENTISTS, STOMPERS
AND THE SECRET HISTORY OF CIRCLE FAKING.;

This overly dramatic gauntlet throwing act was in response to both the
recently published 'plasma vortex' theories of Dr. Terence Meaden and the unexpected success of Circular Evidence by Colin Andrews and Pat Delgado. No-one had denied that some circles were being 'hoaxed', or created deliberately to be passed off as unexplained.

However, as nobody then had any idea what might constitute a 'scientific' method of investigation, this just had to be developed as investigators went along and the work being undertaken by Professor W.C. Levengood and Michael Chorost of Project Argus was a sincere attempt to apply the scientific method as far as possible.

The UK Skeptics and their parent organisation CSICOP had cleverly killed two birds with one swipe - the onus was passed to inexperienced but enthusiastic investigators to prove their case, and the 'hoax' explanation was promoted whenever possible.

That a so-called science-based group of academics and researchers should immediately dismiss the crop circle phenomenon with contempt and ridicule is not just hypocritical, it also exposed some of the hidden agenda underlying their activities.:

1) Demand scientific methodology is used and then ridicule any results presented as 'biased' or 'pseudoscientific'.;)

2) Belittle any scientist or academic appearing to move away from orthodoxy.;)

3) Demand peer review of any paper presented for publication (by definition, this is very hard to achieve in totally new areas of research).:rolleyes:

4) Do not offer assistance of any kind.;)

5) Heavily and widely publicise that 'hoaxing' and 'fraud' are the only explanations for what is reported.;)

6) Do not engage in discussion. The organisation's associates should be called upon to provide the 'expert' viewpoint. The use of academic titles such as Doctor, Professor and Nobel Prize Winner adds 'credibility'.;)

7) Adopt a caring and protective attitude as the guardians of 'ordinary' people who could be 'duped' by unscrupulous 'tricksters' trying to make money out of them.

8) Encourage individuals who are seen to be sowing seeds of mistrust and confusion in target groups.;).(forums such as this one).

9) Counter any attacks against the organisation as soon as practicable.;)

Some very good points and truths raise there, easy to debunk something if you have the necessary scientific academics to back it up.





http://www.greatdreams.com/faking.htm


Here is one of your previous and older posts.Could you explain how you came to this conclusion by answering these questions below.

Quote from you;

"Who cares what they say. Its aliens and thats that. Humans cannot possibly make crop circles, especially that butterfly one in Holland."

1.Can you show how you came to these conclusions;
2.Can you provide any information on any research that you carried out or by anyone else that shows your statement to be considered possible.
3.Can you show any scientific data that supports this fact.
4.Can you show any peer reviewed scientific papers that would support your belief that, "Its aliens and thats that. Humans cannot possibly make crop circles, especially that butterfly one in Holland."

Its not very comfortable when its you getting requests for proof or sources of creditability is it.Can you see what its like to be on the other side of character and creditability attacks. Balance you say.:cool::rolleyes:


If you cannot answer these questions or will not then i have one question that i would like you to truthfully answer.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE CONTRADICTORY AND DOUBLE TALK OF YOUR PREVIOUS POSTS LIKE THE ONE ABOVE.

There are a few more posts by you that show you to be either confused in your view points or showing a nature of targeting certain information and its sources for ridicule and character attacks. Would you like me to post the article on the unfair systematic attacks on W.C. Levengood findings.


"Who cares what they say. Its aliens and thats that. Humans cannot possibly make crop circles, especially that butterfly one in Holland."

[elton]

No you are wrong mate its you who is not wanting anyone to perceive that DI just,just might be right eh.You take about ballance but shy away from questions put to you.There is NO balance in the nature of your posts, you double talk , judging by the content of your previous posts on here in different threads.You also contradict yourself by the nature of some of your previous post.You suddenly appear on threads with quotes like "aliens make crop circles ,they are trying to comunicate", all crop circles are alien" then the nature of your post changes to axsaclty the oppisite of the above quotes.I really feel that you are on here to take the piss out of people who have a genuin interst in DI, UFOs and the nature of this site.So what is it with you, why are you not on one of the sceptics forums.I would direct your attention: to the following below, do not think that by deliberate or masked ridiculing you cannot easily exposed as a possible shitsturrer.


------------------------------------------------------------
BEHIND THE HOAXERS - PHYSICISTS, SCIENTISTS, STOMPERS
AND THE SECRET HISTORY OF CIRCLE FAKING.;

This overly dramatic gauntlet throwing act was in response to both the
recently published 'plasma vortex' theories of Dr. Terence Meaden and the unexpected success of Circular Evidence by Colin Andrews and Pat Delgado. No-one had denied that some circles were being 'hoaxed', or created deliberately to be passed off as unexplained.

However, as nobody then had any idea what might constitute a 'scientific' method of investigation, this just had to be developed as investigators went along and the work being undertaken by Professor W.C. Levengood and Michael Chorost of Project Argus was a sincere attempt to apply the scientific method as far as possible.

The UK Skeptics and their parent organisation CSICOP had cleverly killed two birds with one swipe - the onus was passed to inexperienced but enthusiastic investigators to prove their case, and the 'hoax' explanation was promoted whenever possible.

That a so-called science-based group of academics and researchers should immediately dismiss the crop circle phenomenon with contempt and ridicule is not just hypocritical, it also exposed some of the hidden agenda underlying their activities.:

1) Demand scientific methodology is used and then ridicule any results presented as 'biased' or 'pseudoscientific'.;)

2) Belittle any scientist or academic appearing to move away from orthodoxy.;)

3) Demand peer review of any paper presented for publication (by definition, this is very hard to achieve in totally new areas of research).:rolleyes:

4) Do not offer assistance of any kind.;)

5) Heavily and widely publicise that 'hoaxing' and 'fraud' are the only explanations for what is reported.;)

6) Do not engage in discussion. The organisation's associates should be called upon to provide the 'expert' viewpoint. The use of academic titles such as Doctor, Professor and Nobel Prize Winner adds 'credibility'.;)

7) Adopt a caring and protective attitude as the guardians of 'ordinary' people who could be 'duped' by unscrupulous 'tricksters' trying to make money out of them.

8) Encourage individuals who are seen to be sowing seeds of mistrust and confusion in target groups.;).(forums such as this one).

9) Counter any attacks against the organisation as soon as practicable.;)

Some very good points and truths raise there, easy to debunk something if you have the necessary scientific academics to back it up.





http://www.greatdreams.com/faking.htm


Here is one of your previous and older posts.Could you explain how you came to this conclusion by answering these questions below.

Quote from you;

"Who cares what they say. Its aliens and thats that. Humans cannot possibly make crop circles, especially that butterfly one in Holland."

1.Can you show how you came to these conclusions;
2.Can you provide any information on any research that you carried out or by anyone else that shows your statement to be considered possible.
3.Can you show any scientific data that supports this fact.
4.Can you show any peer reviewed scientific papers that would support your belief that, "Its aliens and thats that. Humans cannot possibly make crop circles, especially that butterfly one in Holland."

Its not very comfortable when its you getting requests for proof or sources of creditability is it.Can you see what its like to be on the other side of character and creditability attacks. Balance you say.:cool::rolleyes:


If you cannot answer these questions or will not then i have one question that i would like you to truthfully answer.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE CONTRADICTORY AND DOUBLE TALK OF YOUR PREVIOUS POSTS LIKE THE ONE ABOVE.

There are a few more posts by you that show you to be either confused in your view points or showing a nature of targeting certain information and its sources for ridicule and character attacks. Would you like me to post the article on the unfair systematic attacks on W.C. Levengood findings.


"Who cares what they say. Its aliens and thats that. Humans cannot possibly make crop circles, especially that butterfly one in Holland."

Its quite simple.
I believe whatever I want to based on the evidence available to me at the time. If new evidence comes along, I can and will change my views. That is balance.

If that evidence happens to be a clip from a Mexican Cable TV UFO spotting show, I will choose not to believe it because I suspect it contains faked clips made for money.

If you were to be a bit more suspicious of what you keep posting from other dodgy websites you may do your credibility some good. Skyscrapers on a planet 43 light-years away? Can't you see how moronic that is? Read through that thread again to see why you may be percieved as gullible.

But if you choose to rant incomprehensibly at anyone who dares to challenge your views then you will start to look silly, but thats your choice.

[jamesc]

Its quite simple.
I believe whatever I want to based on the evidence available to me at the time. If new evidence comes along, I can and will change my views. That is balance.

If that evidence happens to be a clip from a Mexican Cable TV UFO spotting show, I will choose not to believe it because I suspect it contains faked clips made for money.:rolleyes:

If you were to be a bit more suspicious of what you keep posting from other dodgy websites you may do your credibility some good. Skyscrapers on a planet 43 light-years away? Can't you see how moronic that is? Read through that thread again to see why you may be percieved as gullible.

But if you choose to rant incomprehensibly at anyone who dares to challenge your views then you will start to look silly, but thats your choice.




You again fail to answer the questions i asked you to answer and yet again you reply with quotes like dodgy websites, can you name any i have posted.If you where to be a bit more truthful in answering these questions with answers and not questions then i would take you seriously.You call it ranting bit in fact its you who has ranted in the past with contradictory posts.I will defend my views just like anyone else mate. Please show where i said i believed that there where skyscrapers on a planet.You take one Mexican vid and label ALL the rest as fake and money making , not very smart in throwing the baby out with the bath water is it.There is no way you are going to answer the questions i posed to you in my last post because you cannot because it would show you up for the piss taker you are.:D

WHY DID YOU STATE THAT ALL CROP FORMATIONS ARE ALIEN.;)

WHY DID YOU POST THIS REMARK BELOW IN A POST YOU MADE;

"Who cares what they say. Its aliens and thats that. Humans cannot possibly make crop circles, especially that butterfly one in Holland.":D


You say this ,"I believe whatever I want to based on the evidence available to me at the time." :rolleyes:

Now judging by your apparent lack of looking at any if not ALL evidence on say the Mexican wave of UFOs and Chinas that are showing possible sightings of genuine UFOs i find your above statement gullible to say the least. i am not afraid of my views being challenged but i will defend them, just like you would so its you who is ranting in a child like manner.Its time you looked a bit closer at ALL the evidence in crop formations and UFOs that has been gathered over the years and maybe then you would not post ignorant attacks on people who have researched more deeply.

Tell me what is the difference between a "FLAP" and a "WAVE".If you choose to continually attack people with mixed views in the posts you have posted in the past and know then its your choice but you are portraying yourself as gullible and very confused as well as a piss taker with no intention of looking at ALL evidence or digging deeper.By the sounds of it you have not done very much reading on the UFO subject, crop formation and probably read none of DIs books ect but you feel qualified and justified in the position of ridiculer and debunker of all of the above. Gullibility in this form is re-enforced by ignorance.

"TRUTH DOES NOT FEAR INVESTIGATION ONLY LIES DO"

Answer truthfully why you posted these views below;

"ALL CROP FORMATIONS ARE ALIEN"

"Who cares what they say. Its aliens and thats that. Humans cannot possibly make crop circles, especially that butterfly one in Holland".

Where these quotes above intended to make you appear on the believers fence of UFOs ect.

When other people write papers in peer reviewed journals it's respected and it's looked at. When someone post a paper in a journal about something like this or ufology or the paranormal, the debunker and the pseudoskeptic mentality is to try and belittle the paper and the evidence as meaningless and unimportant.

IF that fails then its time for the main back up weapon, THAT MOST DEBUNKERS, RIDICULER'S AND SCEPTICS FALL BACK ON,CHARACTER ASSASSINATION.This is the method that attacks the character of the source of the information or the source of the personal beliefs of the source.

This is a red flag that tells you how closed minded and blind people are. When they have to try to belittle peer reviewed journals as meaningless, then you know they don't have an argument.

When Hawking or Kaku post in a peer reviewed journal is it meaningless? This is not comparing the Dr. to Kaku or Hawking but it's making the point that no matter the source the pseudoskeptic mentality is to belittle the source because they have no argument.

When Edgar Mitchell came out about certain things in Ufology the pseudoskeptic called him a senile old man. :rolleyes:
They can't debate the issue.

Like it or not mate this is an DI forum , so expect him to be defend by me if i feel he is being unfairly ridiculed or attacked be it in character or his work.Rant over.:D

[mind1universe]

icke made ALOT of false truth and mis information in the past and got away with it. He smiles when he asked if hes the son of god. He rolls the jesus prediction of when jesus returns icke will be the one to predict it. He has wrote so many books, and yet he's still not taken out by the NWO. He said many things to get publicity. He knows how the game works because he is a journalist.

He has also not proved anything he has said. He has not ever seen or proved a reptilan. But many have and don't preach or write books about it. Infact Icke can prove reptilans now, but won't? why?

Icke consistengly said Saddam Huessain was dead during the Gulf war. He is fuelled by ego and "i know it all". If you listen to his beginning interviews its rampant with ego. Ugh.

[jamesc]

Once more, with feeling...
David Icke said he was the "son of the godhead" and qualified that by saying we all are......ok? ALL OF US.
that is - the universe is an infinate ocean of conciousness and we are all droplets within that ocean.....that is what he meant. It's not like he's the first to make such observations.:rolleyes:

Wether or not anyone resonates with what he said is by the by (personally, it sits fine with me).;)

So, if one is going to judge or criticise someone on what that someone supposedly said then, (respectfully) at least have the courtesy to attribute the right quote and maybe the teensiest understanding of what they meant by that......but maybe he'll be by later and you can ask him yourself.;)


Watch a few videos and interviews from the guy NOW and let HIM tell you what he meant, that son of god bit is old news he has explained over and over again.

At that period in time he didnt know what planet he was on never mind care about giving an in depth explanation.. and even WOGAN to this day will tell you he is sorry for the whole interview, because he actually now knows he was talking some sense! He was put on the show to get laughed at and IGNORED.. (on 1 level.... ) u know.. thats how they work he was getting too close to the truth. On a deeper level it was an experience he needed to happen. We need the crap to make us stronger.

We are all sons of ''god'' (ugh... nasty word) because really the 'true 1 CREATOR' is THE ALL..... which is within everything, and without everything.......

Goto google video and type in david icke... get the secrets of the matrix and all the others.. then think about the god statement again.:D:cool:

I think what David would have meant to say, if you asked him that question today, would be that because we are all 'physical' (illusory, nonetheless) Matrix manifestations of subcomponents of the Infinite Global Consciousness, we are simply the Infinite Global Consciousness viewing itself subjectively. I am you, you are me, we are all the same being, but we are defined in THIS world by our physical parameters, which compartmentalises our existence into 'individual' streams of consciousness; but this isn't to say that we don't still exist in higher dimensions and higher frequency ranges of existence.


This 'reality' is only one VERY small portion of the total frequency resonance of the totality of 'universe', the reptiles are living in a different frequency range to us, and they need our fear energy to be able to exist and bring themselves into THIS dimension. It is also this SAME energy that keeps US in here, too! Take away the energy used for fear, love, hate, etc.. and we dissolve out of The Matrix and back into the Infinite Global Consciousness (also known and misrepresented as 'god'). Since we are subprograms of the IGC (aka 'god') this can be interpreted as actually being 'the spawn of the IGC', or 'the sons of god'.

So David Icke WAS correct in saying that he was the son of god, because we ALL are children of 'god' (but we are actually just subprograms of The Matrix which represents this 'physical' part of the Infinite Global Consciousness).

David has come on to better understandings of various religions since the Wogan days.To me personally he has exposed main stream religions as regurgitated remakes of older religions and their deities. Babylonian, Egyptian, Sumerian religions and their deities and their likenesses have been introduced to the perceptions of the Christ story figure people perceive today.

If one looks at this in this light then one perceives that the old and new testaments do share common themes from their ancient counter parts.Born of virgin mother, defeats evil , rises again, this pattern is evident.Of course a deep study of the OCCULT teachings goes a very long way into getting a bit deeper into the religious and ancient mysteries of what ICKED called THE GOD HEAD.

Take a look at the ancient Kabbala, it primarily signifies reception, and, secondarily, a doctrine received by oral tradition. This Kabbala i am talking about is NOT to be confused with the Judaism form, Its the OCCULT version of it that i think is the more revealing in its approach,What does the meaning of the word OCCULT signify , HIDDEN is its meaning.So when most people speak of "GOD" or "son of god" in attacks on ICKE they are meaning not the godhead perception but the main stream religious son of god, totality different concept between the two.

MICRO CHIPPING, GLOBAL GOVERNMENT, GLOBAL ARMY, GLOBAL BANK=ONE WORLD CURRENCY,MORE FORMS OF SURVEILLANCE, ID CARDS, MICRO-CHIPPED POPULATION TO A GLOBAL SUPER COMPUTER.

The above was said by ICke in his books in the 90s, funny that, now look at the world today eh, in what direction is it heading.:cool:

[rudric]

Obama might be a "false prophet", but the antichrist will arose from the outskirt ruins of roman empire (britain).

[elton]

Obama might be a "false prophet", but the antichrist will arose from the outskirt ruins of roman empire (britain).

You mean DI is the antichrist?

[rudric]

lol, no!

edit: antichrist will arise from ... britain.

[fekdemasons]

lol, no!

edit: antichrist will arise from ... britain.

Its Clegg !!!

[mikel84]

bump

[rudric]

No it's not Clegg!

[apollo_gnomon]

Obama might be a "false prophet", but the antichrist will arose from the outskirt ruins of roman empire (britain).

. . .because, of course, Britain is the only outskirt of the Roman Empire. . .

:rolleyes:

http://www.verselink.org/maps/roman_empire.jpg


. . . so the Antichrist certainly won't be Lithuanian or Egyptian . . .

[rudric]

The ac is Charles/William.

[rudric]

huh... no more comments?

[theramblingpoet]

Beware of False Prophets (WORKING WITH ILLIMUNATI/NWO):
-Maitreya
-Sananda Immanuel aka fake jesus
-St Germaine/Galactic Federation of Light
-Obama/Antichrist/Lucifer

-The oct14th event with the blossom goodchild translated message was supposedly from ascended lords specifically St Germaine. St Germaine and the galactic federation of light are working with Illuminati, and will bring death and destruction. They did not make an appearance on oct14th, but will in the near future



galactic false prophets
Sananda Immanuel aka fake jesus
http://www.beastprophets.com/images/san-1.gif
Plays the role of "Jesus" in the astral realm and near death experiences. He's the one Michaelangelo painted a portrait of that the churches then accepted as the picture of "Jesus." Most churches today have pictures of this Sananda hanging in them somewhere. Most believers correlate the picture of Jesus that they see as the real Yahushua/Jesus when it is really this Sananda Immanuel who will come to earth playing Jesus, the Son of God. A very good deception. The church was groomed for hundreds of years for this one

http://www.hugoalexander.nl/SanandaPurple.jpg

St Germain
http://www.hugoalexander.nl/MHCHViolinioGermain.jpg

St. Germain false prophet is the one who is supposed to establish NESARA here on earth.

CNN aired a commercial about the Maitreya to decieve people
learn the list that i posted
they are all false prophets/satanists
dont fall for the nonsense that they bring
http://www.balaams-ass.com/JOURNAL/PROPHECY/maitreya.gif

Lord Ashtar
Chief of the Ashtar Council AKA the Illuminati Council. Ashtar Council (the Illuminati Council). Others describe to the Council of Controllers behind the scene governing everything and directing all the secret societies, groups, governments, Illuminati etc.. behind the scenes...
http://www.thejinn.net/images/Ashtar3.jpg

The false prophets are working with governments on earth..Whether its starting a world war, fooling people with miracles and deceit or crashing our society so that they can imprison us, or blasphemy against world religions they will do anything to infilitrate our world

There is a correlation between new world order by our governments and false prophets that are effecting people nationwide. They are all working together and toward the same goal

They must be kicked out of power so that they cannot affect our lives.

Anyone who says there is no God yet preaches to the people about Supposed knowledge Is a false prophet meant to confuse and confound the ignorant mind and sidetrack us from the truth of the knowledge GOD LIVES anyone not believing this is an ANTICHRIST no matter how enlightened they appear to be I AM A SENSITIVE AND I CAN ATTEST TRUTHFULLY THERE IS A GOD!
And god is at hand the last days as we know them are coming to a screetching halt DON'T GET TOO COMFORTABLE.

[mikel84]

more false prophet:
this time its raj patel of share international
http://raote.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/raj_patel.jpg

[mikel84]

bump

[leviathanstaar]

Get off you high and pikey obsession with icke. And for the love of God don't defend Icke for going on about that it was just a mistake that Icke thought he was the son of god and it was just pure random. He said he himself was the son of God, if he meant everyone was the son of god, he would have said so. He didn't

You have been listening to much to Icke that's the problem, so yet again you can be deceived.


He went out in the public to self aclaim "he is the son of God". Jesus didn't even say that for crying out loud. He also said assertions to the media before that. He was asked by people was he the second coming and he said yes. When we was asked about been the Son of God he talked about Jesus in Third person as if it were him making the predictions of the flood and what not. Which is what Jesus said will happen in his second return. So icke did basically do the whole event live on T.V to millions.

Dude your the one that needs to get real,.


If there was a false prophet, DI would be one of the best contenders. Why?

Because your falling for it. Which is the point of been a false prophet.

Why even be here?

Please say:

Because well this is where everyone is and you just really care for mankind and you've just got to warn them about evil people like DI as they are lead down an evil path and.......!!!

[mikel84]

bump

[arty2000]

huh... no more comments?

when the student is ready the teacher will appear:)


you are the one you have been waiting for:)

[beldazar]

Beware of False Prophets (WORKING WITH ILLIMUNATI/NWO):
-Maitreya
-Sananda Immanuel aka fake jesus
-St Germaine/Galactic Federation of Light
-Obama/Antichrist/Lucifer

-The oct14th event with the blossom goodchild translated message was supposedly from ascended lords specifically St Germaine. St Germaine and the galactic federation of light are working with Illuminati, and will bring death and destruction. They did not make an appearance on oct14th, but will in the near future



galactic false prophets
Sananda Immanuel aka fake jesus
http://www.beastprophets.com/images/san-1.gif
Plays the role of "Jesus" in the astral realm and near death experiences. He's the one Michaelangelo painted a portrait of that the churches then accepted as the picture of "Jesus." Most churches today have pictures of this Sananda hanging in them somewhere. Most believers correlate the picture of Jesus that they see as the real Yahushua/Jesus when it is really this Sananda Immanuel who will come to earth playing Jesus, the Son of God. A very good deception. The church was groomed for hundreds of years for this one

http://www.hugoalexander.nl/SanandaPurple.jpg

St Germain
http://www.hugoalexander.nl/MHCHViolinioGermain.jpg

St. Germain false prophet is the one who is supposed to establish NESARA here on earth.

CNN aired a commercial about the Maitreya to decieve people
learn the list that i posted
they are all false prophets/satanists
dont fall for the nonsense that they bring
http://www.balaams-ass.com/JOURNAL/PROPHECY/maitreya.gif

Lord Ashtar
Chief of the Ashtar Council AKA the Illuminati Council. Ashtar Council (the Illuminati Council). Others describe to the Council of Controllers behind the scene governing everything and directing all the secret societies, groups, governments, Illuminati etc.. behind the scenes...
http://www.thejinn.net/images/Ashtar3.jpg

The false prophets are working with governments on earth..Whether its starting a world war, fooling people with miracles and deceit or crashing our society so that they can imprison us, or blasphemy against world religions they will do anything to infilitrate our world

There is a correlation between new world order by our governments and false prophets that are effecting people nationwide. They are all working together and toward the same goal

They must be kicked out of power so that they cannot affect our lives.

Excellent post!

[steve1964]

Is this on PlayStation or X-Box?

I have it on an 800k floppy disk for the Amiga 1200 its a blast.:cool:

[mikel84]

bump
more false prophets:
http://www.selftransform.net/blavatsky.gif
st germain, kuthumi and el morya

[mikel84]

Excellent post!

thankyou!

[mikel84]

islam quran translation and false prophets
states the imam mahdi (maitreya) will return paired with the false christ (sananda immanuel)
more prophecy to look for.... and remember the false prophets!

[elirien]

islam quran translation and false prophets
states the imam mahdi (maitreya) will return paired with the false christ (sananda immanuel)
more prophecy to look for.... and remember the false prophets!

The Quran says nothing about an Imam Mahdi. If it does, please share the verse with us.

Bless you.

[mikel84]

bump

[mikel84]

The Quran says nothing about an Imam Mahdi. If it does, please share the verse with us.

Bless you.

the imam mahdi or maitreya is probably behind these riots in the middle east and africa
do you agree that the mahdi is part of islam even if its not in the koran?

[mikel84]

The ac is Charles/William.

the antichrist is ruler of Babylon (America)

[elirien]

the imam mahdi or maitreya is probably behind these riots in the middle east and africa
do you agree that the mahdi is part of islam even if its not in the koran?

We can not answer that question. If you are asking if there is an idea of a "redeemer" in the Qur'an then there is only one which has tons of names like Allah, God, Gott, Yahweh, Gok Tengri etc. besides lists of all the multi-dimensional properties. There is no concept of a human redeemer in both the Bible and the Qur'an. We don't know if others compare things with the no-thing but if they do then that is their illusion.

The Mahdi concept as far as we know comes from sayings recorded by people. As far as it looks it is quite heavily symbolic like everything. Although that doesn' t mean that there will be or has no manifestation of that concept. Even if Yeheshua and the Mahdi come with ID Cards, show up on CNN News and even Yeheshua responding to someone calling "Jesus", we have to remember from where they've come for whom they've come. That stops this idol worshiping quite effectively.

It is for one to decide if it is interesting to "follow Jesus" from behind or with him.

[mikel84]

We can not answer that question. If you are asking if there is an idea of a "redeemer" in the Qur'an then there is only one which has tons of names like Allah, God, Gott, Yahweh, Gok Tengri etc. besides lists of all the multi-dimensional properties. There is no concept of a human redeemer in both the Bible and the Qur'an. We don't know if others compare things with the no-thing but if they do then that is their illusion.

The Mahdi concept as far as we know comes from sayings recorded by people. As far as it looks it is quite heavily symbolic like everything. Although that doesn' t mean that there will be or has no manifestation of that concept. Even if Yeheshua and the Mahdi come with ID Cards, show up on CNN News and even Yeheshua responding to someone calling "Jesus", we have to remember from where they've come for whom they've come. That stops this idol worshiping quite effectively.

It is for one to decide if it is interesting to "follow Jesus" from behind or with him.

heres some truth:
read it if you can handle it


1. Ganeshji is the most high. Not yahweh, allah, or any other name. Ganeshji is the most high our father and God.

2. Satan does not exist. The idea Satan was created by illuminati, freemasons, and false prophets as a fear tactic. There are no such thing as angels and there is no heaven. The whole world is holy land and everyone are chosen people not just jews. Lucifer does not exist here or in an imaginary hell there is no such thing as hell.

3. The illuminati was behind the economic collapse. The bankers are being charged for the problem but the idea was formed by a group known as the illuminati. They were also in charge of orchestrating world wars and other terrorism so that they can accomplish their goals.

4. Global warming is a hoax. Carbon Dioxide does not cause global warming. The US government is responsible for climate change through HAARP. HAARP and other similar machines have been responsible for the numerous earthquakes, hurricanes, and weather related disasters in the past couple of years.
Some examples of HAARP related disasters:
-HAITI earthquake, hurricane Katrina, the floods In Pakistan, and the Russian heat wave

5. The last jesus was hindu. Krishna was also called jezus christna by his followers and the religion was formed by krishnas followers. Krishna-neety is another word for it, which means krishnas work. There have been 8 other jesus figures before Krishna, such as Ram, Parasurama, and others. The portrait depicting jesus in churches is usually wrong and represent the false prophet sananda immanuel.

6. Obama is the antichrist. The bible states there will be a first beast of revelations and Obama is the first beast also commonly known as the antichrist.

7. Aliens do not exist. There are many races that can shapeshift into something else that does not appear "human" but there arent any other lifeforms anywhere else in the universe. The galactic federation of light are composed of false prophets that want to infiltrate religion. Some members are sananda immanuel (the false christ) maitreya (false prophet) st germain, haton, archangel michael, kuthumi, el morya and others. They are working with the illuminati to acheive new world order or a false one world religion.

9. Maitreya is the false prophet. The bible states in revelations that there will be a second beast. Maitreya will be the second beast but he hasnt made a day of declaration as of yet. He will enforce one world false religion and work with the antichrist.

8. World War three will not happen until the war of Psalm 83 is over and there is a peace covenant for 3 years. There are many people trying to fool people into beleiving the doomsday prediction that world war 3 is coming up. But the truth is there will be a false war of israel versus the middle east as mentioned in psalm 83 where damascus gets destroyed according to isiah 17:1 in the bible.

9. 9/11 was an inside job. Yes terrorists did attack on september 11th 2001, but they are funded by the US government and idea was conjured up by illuminati. The illuminati have been responsible for all islamic terrorism in the past century.

10. 2012 is not doomsday. 2012 is not doomsday and the world is not ending then.

[mikel84]

bump!

[mikel84]

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[elirien]

heres some truth:
read it if you can handle it


1. Ganeshji is the most high. Not yahweh, allah, or any other name. Ganeshji is the most high our father and God.

It is time to answer. It is a good name yes, but just a name. The meaning which you bear is far more beautiful then any name.


2. Satan does not exist. The idea Satan was created by illuminati, freemasons, and false prophets as a fear tactic. There are no such thing as angels and there is no heaven. The whole world is holy land and everyone are chosen people not just jews. Lucifer does not exist here or in an imaginary hell there is no such thing as hell.

We wouldn't agree but not all together. The idea of the adversary comes also from the idea of the "beloved enemy" as for example you see in strict teachers, the shining male principle. It is that which teaches light. That is its dedication. An understanding of a heaven somewhere is an illusion but this is only false in so called 3 dimensional or animal or ordering self perspective. There is harmony and harmony is heaven. This harmony exists on this holy land for those who have eyes and hearts to see. Hell on the other hand so to speak is based upon veiling, separation and comparison. It is the idea of the other. There is no other.


3. The illuminati was behind the economic collapse. The bankers are being charged for the problem but the idea was formed by a group known as the illuminati. They were also in charge of orchestrating world wars and other terrorism so that they can accomplish their goals.

The economy was behind its collapse. No one ever said that those papers and numbers were dedicated to certain individuals. We have never seen a banknote having "property of elirien and mikel84" printed on it.


4. Global warming is a hoax. Carbon Dioxide does not cause global warming. The US government is responsible for climate change through HAARP. HAARP and other similar machines have been responsible for the numerous earthquakes, hurricanes, and weather related disasters in the past couple of years.
Some examples of HAARP related disasters:
-HAITI earthquake, hurricane Katrina, the floods In Pakistan, and the Russian heat wave

We don't know how a geometric symbol can warm up with a chemical symbol so we would agree. In meaning we would agree and add that as long as there is expansion there is warming. If those mind streams are dedicated to stop that we could easily watch them try and be amused by both their half hearted dedication and futility.

We watched some documentaries about HAARP. Interesting technology. Although we wouldn't know why one would poke around with weather. No one disturbs a sleeping or raging cat.


5. The last jesus was hindu. Krishna was also called jezus christna by his followers and the religion was formed by krishnas followers. Krishna-neety is another word for it, which means krishnas work. There have been 8 other jesus figures before Krishna, such as Ram, Parasurama, and others. The portrait depicting jesus in churches is usually wrong and represent the false prophet sananda immanuel.

We wouldn't define such a being by the description of a piece of land. That would be another perspective.


6. Obama is the antichrist. The bible states there will be a first beast of revelations and Obama is the first beast also commonly known as the antichrist.

"The Antichrist" is an archetypal energy that rages through many beings. Obama could be one of them. He is sold as a redeemer.


7. Aliens do not exist. There are many races that can shapeshift into something else that does not appear "human" but there arent any other lifeforms anywhere else in the universe. The galactic federation of light are composed of false prophets that want to infiltrate religion. Some members are sananda immanuel (the false christ) maitreya (false prophet) st germain, haton, archangel michael, kuthumi, el morya and others. They are working with the illuminati to acheive new world order or a false one world religion.


Very true. Who is alien to another? First it was the neighbor, then the other tribe, then the other nation, then the other planet.

All the names that you have written are manifestations of that archetypal energy which coursed through what you call you into this forum.


9. Maitreya is the false prophet. The bible states in revelations that there will be a second beast. Maitreya will be the second beast but he hasnt made a day of declaration as of yet. He will enforce one world false religion and work with the antichrist.


Again, same energy. It would be easier to define such concepts with the heart as in "getting a feeling for it". We could write pages and pages of names and none could even get close.


8. World War three will not happen until the war of Psalm 83 is over and there is a peace covenant for 3 years. There are many people trying to fool people into beleiving the doomsday prediction that world war 3 is coming up. But the truth is there will be a false war of israel versus the middle east as mentioned in psalm 83 where damascus gets destroyed according to isiah 17:1 in the bible.

We wouldn't know. We heard that there will be wars and rumors of wars to distract us if we like to be.


9. 9/11 was an inside job. Yes terrorists did attack on september 11th 2001, but they are funded by the US government and idea was conjured up by illuminati. The illuminati have been responsible for all islamic terrorism in the past century.

Islamic terrorism is an oxymoron. It would be like us saying huzurlu guerillas. Leaving one word in one language and the other in another to form a combined new word is the work of a true teenager who is learning a new language. We don't say its bad but it is funny. As such it can be clearer to see who has done the inside job to whom.


10. 2012 is not doomsday. 2012 is not doomsday and the world is not ending then.

Yes but how about you?

[mikel84]

im not referring to any archetypal energy. Im talking about Dajjal/Koli/Antichrist/First Beast of revalation/Mabus
that is Obama
Second beast of revelation is another individual who goes by the name "Maitreya"

[elirien]

im not referring to any archetypal energy. Im talking about Dajjal/Koli/Antichrist/First Beast of revalation/Mabus
that is Obama
Second beast of revelation is another individual who goes by the name "Maitreya"

Yes, but are you deceived by a name or being?

similarly, does a table hit your foot or the word "table"? does h2o do any good or water in a desert?

that being can take any name or form in any culture. would you judge it by name or deed ?

[mikel84]

Yes, but are you deceived by a name or being?

similarly, does a table hit your foot or the word "table"? does h2o do any good or water in a desert?

that being can take any name or form in any culture. would you judge it by name or deed ?

well once you identify this "individual" then the prophecy comes alive
im a very religious person so looking at prophecy I will judge it by what is written

[elirien]

well once you identify this "individual" then the prophecy comes alive
im a very religious person so looking at prophecy I will judge it by what is written

very good then. bless your heart.

[mikel84]

very good then. bless your heart.

thanks man,
you too.