Do you believe life is all an illusion

[steevo]

Do YOU believe life (the 5 sense reality) is all an illusion ?

[fromthatshow]

Of course my horse

[measle_weasel]

I voted no, it is not an illusion, for the reason that whatever it is, just because there might be a larger structure behind reality itself, a super-reality if you like, does not negate the importance of this reality, and the actions taken while in it. Of course, people will believe either this reality is an illusion, or not, based on their own definitions of what an "illusion", and a "reality" constitute.

An "illusion", to me, is something of no actual substance, in which nothing is directly derived from. A video game would be an illusion, being that anything you did inside the video game, would never directly affect the outside world (though indirectly, there are numerous ways a video game can effect your life). A "reality" to me, is the current set of rules and laws that you are conscience of, that govern your universe.

Given these definitions, it would infact be possible for a specific reality to be an illusion, only if the inhabitants of that reality, whether soulless or otherwise, were incapable of directly affecting the super-reality that encompassed their own. But I do not believe such a theory, that we are stuck here, and cannot effect change outside our reality in any direct way, at any time, past, present, or future.

Thus, since I dont believe our actions are ever meaningless, and never affect realities beyond our own, I would say this reality is not an illusion, it is infact, real, with consequences for actions taken within.

[lakkimakki]

life is a dream !!:)

[limelady]

"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."

Albert Einstein

[seno]

Life is just a continuous flow of change, nothing solid or finite, only as a concept in the mind. Not to say this isn't real or doesn't exist, it clearly does to some degree. But I think it's an illusion in the sense that there is more going on that our five senses can pick up.

Something interesting I found was that the foundations to mathematics still hasn't been fully declared, yet is rarely talked about and often ignored/brushed under the carpet. You can say 1 + 1 = 2. And think up all these complex calculations and patterns but you still haven't said what the heck '1' is. 1 what?

Foundations of mathematics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[nectars]

I voted Yes as that much I've already proved to myself, though not to the fullest extent or I doubt I'd even be here writing this.

[boots]

I basically agree with the concept of life/reality is an illusion. It's like lucid dreaming. How do you KNOW it's not real.

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[quester123]

what is real? :)

[boots]

what is real? :)

Exactly :confused:

I want to get to that stage when you can change your dream in any "reality".

[zero1]

Reality is really real really, but that doesn't always mean things are exactly as they seem. Science is giving us the picture we recognize from our dreams more and more everyday, piece by piece. But at this stage, to say it's all an illusion might be going too far - you can treat of life as a joke or take it very seriously, but unless you find some way to ground yourself in reality on some level, you could go insane either way. Love is the answer.

[nessa felagund]

Definitions of illusion:

perception of something objectively existing in such a way as to cause misinterpretation of its actual nature

Or

: the state or fact of being intellectually deceived or misled


Either way, I think both definitions describe our current state of existence. Humanity has been deceived and misled about the actual nature of our purpose here so that now the majority of people are confused as to why they are here.

[steevo]

Nessa I was just about to post the definitions of "illusion". Thanks, that saved me a job :)

[nessa felagund]

Synchro! You're welcome, steevo. :D

[zero1]

Humanity has been deceived and misled about the actual nature of our purpose here so that now the majority of people are confused as to why they are here.

There is a lot of confusion alright.

[limelady]

Definitions of illusion:



Either way, I think both definitions describe our current state of existence. Humanity has been deceived and misled about the actual nature of our purpose here so that now the majority of people are confused as to why they are here.

Thanks nessa. On the basis of those definitions I will vote.

[w1nstonsm1th84]

Thanks nessa. On the basis of those definitions I will vote.

Hmmm... I voted before miss felagund :o (so kindly) provided those definitions. :-/

Yes

However, I based my vote upon the open posting:

Do YOU believe life (the 5 sense reality) is all an illusion ? (emphasis added to 'all')

No



It would seem that definition is the secret... :eek:

[dsone]

not real yes, their is no such thing as solid
a 5 sense manipulated dream world, its proven!

[demise_of_time]

Awake and asleep are the same thing, except sleep is experienced individually while reality is experienced simultaneously from various points. Each of us perceives the all.

[fromthatshow]

life is a dream !!:)

row row row your boat
gently down the stream
merrily merrily merrily merrily
life is but a dream

[hank_scorpio]

Were all made of recycled atoms from recycled stars. How could there not be abundant life in the universe. We've just waken up.Theres a whole universe in every blade of grass and every human being.

[quetzalcoatl]

In a sense yes & in another sense no.. I guess sometimes calling it all an illusion could well be quite convenient.. Like nothing really matters etc.. Yet, I know from experience that what you choose & how you act or do not act really does 'matter', literally.. ;)

Could well be an illusion in the sense of it's much like a 'testing realm'.. It appears so real to the point the mind becomes totally drawn-in & 'captivated' - Yet, tis most likely more of a 'play-ground' for the sole purpose of Soul development.. This is why some people seem to obtain great wisdom, & others do-not, why some people drift through life with ease, & others struggle so much.. tis almost like a learning curve, customized & 'pre-arranged' for particular 'Soul-parts'/individuals to master certain aspects for development of the 'whole-Soul' which we are essentially apart of - yet experiencing the illusion of separation.. The illusory nature of reality becomes apparent wen we leave our bodies. It really matters not how the journey treats you - because the ultimate result is always the same.. & wen we all collectively realize this - old paradigms will fall away..

It really is 'juz a ride'.. yet quite possibly for our own development or 'learning' it has probably been necessary to go through these stages of buying the 'illusion'.. it's not that if you make certain mistakes you will end up in 'hell'.. but it may well have been necessary to have been 'tricked' into thinking this.. It all goes back to that old Serpent in the 'Garden'.. ;) Clever little Snake! :p

Also in the sense that matter is not really there, or that we, & we alone manifest it all with our minds.. this not entirely accurate.. I still think that this matter exists, & it is merely a 'distortion' caused by electro-magnetic fields (orbiting electrons/travelling protons) that manifests life/matter & the Universe we obverse around us.. If an electron or photon were to change speed this would have direct influence on observable matter, nay even completely change how our minds perceive (absorb & de-code the visible light spectrum) matter all-together.. So there is massive potential to influence matter - Also considering the 'phantom DNA effect'.. suggesting that electrons have some sort of memory & change behavior upon observation.. So do we manifest it ALL? not likely, yet we can influence & manipulate it.. :)

[steppewar]

Do YOU believe life (the 5 sense reality) is all an illusion ?

The 5 sense reality is NOT an illusion, it is real because we are experiencing it. It doesn't matter if it is all frequencies and wavelengths, that we just perceive in our brains or minds, the fact is right NOW it is real and happening.

There may well be extra dimensions, higher selves, spirits, souls, etc. But the fact is that this 5 sense reality is at LEAST part, or ALL of reality, otherwise how could you experience it?

If anyone thinks 5 sense reality is a complete illusion, then why don't you cut of your arm or jump off a cliff, why not do this if it's only an illusion?

[beldazar]

Well, this is a difficult one. I understand that this life is an illusion but I dont have a deep knowing that it is.....hang on, that should be the other way round...

I have a deep knowing that this life is an illusion (:confused:) But I think that it is real (:confused:)

Oh I dunno, when I can start bending spoons with my mind, the two will come together :p

[rossus]

the world as we perceive it IS an illusion created by the senses.

it's just nerves being tickled and sending their information to the brain,
which the brain translates in everyday reality.

we are not the body :eek:



maybe the body and the world are real but the way we perceive them is very subjective (illusive)

[pinkgeranium]

This is the squillion dollar question......:D

All the social structures of this life are illusions...........just concepts that we go along with.

The majority of an Atom is pure space...... therefor the majority of a solid
object is..... Nothingness.

We humans can only see in a very limited spectrum of light........
who knows what the world around us would look like if we could see in other frequencys......... ooooo I love this subect......:D

[gilly]

I think, therefore I am...in reality (as I percieve it). No, it's not an illusion, but the notion that we have a thorough understanding of the whole of reality is an illusion.

[fromthatshow]

The 5 sense reality is NOT an illusion, it is real because we are experiencing it. It doesn't matter if it is all frequencies and wavelengths, that we just perceive in our brains or minds, the fact is right NOW it is real and happening.

There may well be extra dimensions, higher selves, spirits, souls, etc. But the fact is that this 5 sense reality is at LEAST part, or ALL of reality, otherwise how could you experience it?

If anyone thinks 5 sense reality is a complete illusion, then why don't you cut of your arm or jump off a cliff, why not do this if it's only an illusion?

Just because you believe in something doesn't make it real. You experience it but is it actually happening? How can you know when gathering data from those very five senses? To understand their validity and existence... you'd have to step outside the five senses, and I think that's what Icke did, and why he knows they are an illusion.
I wouldn't cut off my arm because my conditioned belief in the five senses since I was born until now at age 19 makes my belief in them very hard to uproot. But, I understand what is going on. I understand that it is all in the mind. I understand how it works, but getting that through to my heart is another story.

[lakkimakki]

row row row your boat
gently down the stream
merrily merrily merrily merrily
life is but a dream

exactly:) but not down the stream , -up the stream--