The Myth & The Reality : Zionism Vs Judaism

[worldwakeupmusic]

Hi everyone,don't you want to know the truth about the israelo-palestinian conflit? Do you want to know the truth about the difference about zionism and judaism?

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peace to you

[worldwakeupmusic]

There is also a list of "must see documentaries" , tell me what you think about the list and your advise of new films not on the list is welcome.peace

[adimon]

The history of Israel is one of the most contested historiographical debates and continues to this day. I would encourage anyone interested in this area to read widely, talk to a range of Palestinians and a range of Israelis, to get a full appreciation.

Some noteworthy scholars include Benny Morris, Walid Khalidi, Avi Shlaim, Yezid Sayigh, and Daniel Pipes.

[tyler]

I suggest you take in the viewpoint of Gilad Atzmon, an Israeli ex-pat who supports the Palestinians demand for their land. He's a great jazz musician too... http://www.gilad.co.uk/

[worldwakeupmusic]

The history of Israel is one of the most contested historiographical debates and continues to this day. I would encourage anyone interested in this area to read widely, talk to a range of Palestinians and a range of Israelis, to get a full appreciation.

Some noteworthy scholars include Benny Morris, Walid Khalidi, Avi Shlaim, Yezid Sayigh, and Daniel Pipes.

things is that it seems to be very contested,very complicated debates but everything is made to confuse people because in reality,it's quite simple what's going on in this conflit but are we capable of seeing behind the lies and propaganda?

[adimon]

things is that it seems to be very contested,very complicated debates but everything is made to confuse people because in reality,it's quite simple what's going on in this conflit but are we capable of seeing behind the lies and propaganda?

Yes it is very simple. The territory that is being argued over was the fiefdom of various empires until 1948, where the burgeoning United Nations offered a two state solution, which the representatives of the Arabs (who didnt even think of themselves as 'Palestinians') rejected and the Israelis gladly accepted.

For the next 20 years or so the Egyptians and the Syrians waged war on Israel, with still no 'Palestinian' representatives emerging to negotiate with the Israelis.

Then as Arab nationalism and Arab socialism were failing, and Islamism began to rise, you see the formation of the PLO, who until 2006 were the 'Palestinian' representatives, and consistently refused to negotiate even when offered very good terms in the interest of the 'Palestinian' people.

Since 2006 this representative-ship has been hijacked by Hamas, who are nothing but fascists and have implemented the worst sort of totalitarian regime on the people that elected them.

Throughout this period, there have been changes in Israeli leadership, and at various times the enthusiasm of those leaders for coming to settlement has indeed wavered, it must be said.

For anyone who would choose to instantly vilify Israel, I would draw their attention to the Camp David discussions in 2000 and see what went on there.

As for refugees, I advise you to research what made people leave Israel between 1945 and the 2nd intifada, and ask yourself two questions:-

1. At what point, and to what degree did the majority of the Arabs in the area consider themselves as 'Palestinian'?

2. What, and whom, forced them to leave their homes?

Finally, if any of you are wondering why I have insisted on inverted commas around each mention of 'Palestine', I would advise you to find out if such a place has every existed as a sovereign entity.