The banking scam explained

[arten]

I do not know how many people here may be aware of this already, but I have found in my experience that the following story helps to open people up to understanding what is going on in the world with regards to the banking system.
It is a story written in the style of a child's story, but it simplifies history and what happened to create the modern banking system in an understandable level for anyone to be able to understand it in general terms.

http://www.relfe.com/plus_5_.html

Took the above from TPUC Hope it helps

[jimmi]

Good link Art.


I'm going to print some copies for a wakey wakey mission;)

[vladmir]

Also a pdf version available here:
i Want the Earth Plus 5 Percent
http://www.scribd.com/doc/6155123/i-Want-the-Earth-Plus-5-Percent

[ipopacific]

probably the best and easiest to fathem info ive seen so far great job

[yozhik]

Here is another document that shines a huge spotlight on the scam.

Expert witness testimony, an affidavit, explaining the monetization of your signature;

http://www.brumbywatchaustralia.com/Principality41.htm

[flip side]

I do not know how many people here may be aware of this already, but I have found in my experience that the following story helps to open people up to understanding what is going on in the world with regards to the banking system.
It is a story written in the style of a child's story, but it simplifies history and what happened to create the modern banking system in an understandable level for anyone to be able to understand it in general terms.

http://www.relfe.com/plus_5_.html

Took the above from TPUC Hope it helps

Highly recomended. Woke up some people near and dear to me with this.

[bsmurph83]

i couldn't find the thread about 'banks and the first right of appropriation', so i figured i'd just bring this thread back to life a bit.

i'm in the process of getting my statements from the bank so i can sue them for illegal penalty fees. interestingly, the bank decided to send my statements to me for FREE, at an estimated (though probably untrue, i simply don't trust them at all) cost to them of over $700 (a combined total of 6 years worth of statements for 2 diff account). they said this was a 'good will gesture'. i got the distinct impression that they were trying to soften me up and also give their image a bit of a spit-polish in case i took them to court after identifying their unethical transactions against me, as i had noted in a previous complaint their unfair penalty fees were creating and adding to financial hardship.

anyway, i'd be interested to know if anyone has any legal insights into what it would mean in court to have acknowledged this 'good will gesture' - would a maggotstrate look more favourably upon the bank and be less inclined to award damages?

i'll update the thread on my shenanigans as i get feedback. the bank is about to get one hell of a letter... the term "fraudulent misrepresentation" comes to mind...:D

[yozhik]

interestingly, the bank decided to send my statements to me for FREE, at an estimated (though probably untrue, i simply don't trust them at all) cost to them of over $700 (a combined total of 6 years worth of statements for 2 diff account). they said this was a 'good will gesture'.

I suspect (will do some digging) that this is an attempt to contract.
My suspicions are based on the simple fact that goodwill is an accounting entry on a balance sheet ... a ledger entry.

It will be interesting to dig around and see whether the term "gesture" (legally) is an offer. The over cynical nature of my mind is wondering whether a "goodwill gesture to the value of $700" is in fact placing some commercial liability upon you, offered in the form of the bank statements, which you have accepted without rebuttal.

Now, I may be WAY off base and fighting with shadows ... but nothing is beyond realm of possibility in the world of commerce and legalese.

The term "good-will" does not
mean simply the advantage of occupying particular
premises which haye been occupied by a
manufacturer. etc. It means every advantage,
every positive advantage, that has been acquired
by a proprietor in carrying on his business,
whether connected with the premises in which
the business is conducted, or with the name
under which it is managed, or with any other
matter carrying with it the benefit of the business.

Black's Law Dictionary, 2nd edition, page 544

[disorder2k8]

I was thinking we should start a 'everything in one place' Freeman post that could be stickied, in it we can put all the responses and forms people seem to be looking for
and all the templates for writing letters etc

Would any of you freeman guys contribute?

[bsmurph83]

I was thinking we should start a 'everything in one place' Freeman post that could be stickied, in it we can put all the responses and forms people seem to be looking for
and all the templates for writing letters etc

Would any of you freeman guys contribute?

YES.

i've been thinking for quite a while now (feels like a while at any rate) that EVERYONE on here should make a concerted effort to try and streamline the Freeman forum as much as possible and check for threads regarding relevant themes before they go creating another thread whose themes and contents have already been thoroughly discussed. we need to take a couple of minutes to dig around the old threads looking for the appropriate spot, in my view.

can you elaborate a little on what you mean exactly? i may be dense but an everything in one place thread sounds... busy? :o actually, an alphabetised thread of this nature might be a big plus... i'm guessing you're way ahead of me on that one though hehe

PS - yoz, thanks for the input. as you've probably gathered, i'm basically wondering if this will screw my chances of getting money out of them. i've been talking to a couple of people (see banksarethieves.com), one of whom is a legal expert in these matters. i'm sure he can tell me the ramifications of this gesture and its acceptance, if any. meanwhile, if you come up with anything else, post away :)

[arty2000]

I do not know how many people here may be aware of this already, but I have found in my experience that the following story helps to open people up to understanding what is going on in the world with regards to the banking system.
It is a story written in the style of a child's story, but it simplifies history and what happened to create the modern banking system in an understandable level for anyone to be able to understand it in general terms.

http://www.relfe.com/plus_5_.html

Took the above from TPUC Hope it helps

also America freedom to fascism dvd is a good starter:)

[bsmurph83]

a brief update on my scenario:

bank statements arrived in the mail. on going through them i have found $1155 worth of what appear to be legally unenforceable penalty fees (honour and dishonour fees)

what's 10 x 1155 + 9% interest ? :D

[yozhik]

PS - yoz, thanks for the input. as you've probably gathered, i'm basically wondering if this will screw my chances of getting money out of them. i've been talking to a couple of people (see banksarethieves.com), one of whom is a legal expert in these matters. i'm sure he can tell me the ramifications of this gesture and its acceptance, if any. meanwhile, if you come up with anything else, post away :)

There is a more than likely probability this is simply my paranoia.
However, recent readings have taught me to suspect everything; trust nothing.

[bsmurph83]

i've calculated the 9% interest on these illegal fees, and combined with the raw penalty fees sum, it amounts to about $1500.

not sure how to do the calculation for compensation properly... just awaiting some feedback...

[tien an]

a brief update on my scenario:

bank statements arrived in the mail. on going through them i have found $1155 worth of what appear to be legally unenforceable penalty fees (honour and dishonour fees)

what's 10 x 1155 + 9% interest ? :D

£12,692.30

(A year's salary for some...)

tien an.

[bsmurph83]

£12,692.30

(A year's salary for some...)

tien an.

about 5 years for me! lol

but i'm in Oz, it's dollars over here, not those crazy 'pound' things you poms have! :D

[planetsadhana]

thats a great easy to read explanation for anyone.....like a living horror story told as a fairy story:eek:

[tien an]

about 5 years for me! lol

but i'm in Oz, it's dollars over here, not those crazy 'pound' things you poms have! :D

$5,076.92

Still a tidy sum that I wouldn't sneeze at....

tien an.