Reduction in Chemtrails ?

[steevo]

I have noticed that they are NOT chemtrailing as much at the moment, and it has resulted in us having lots more sunshine. There is no point in sending out my chemtrail leaflet now lol
I actually mentioned to my other half a month or so a go that the PTB will stop chemtrailing over the summer because they know that rioting IN GENERAL happens when the weather is hot and sunny. If it rains, people will stay at home.

[kweli]

I have noticed that they are NOT chemtrailing as much at the moment, and it has resulted in us having lots more sunshine. There is no point in sending out my chemtrail leaflet now lol
I actually mentioned to my other half a month or so a go that the PTB will stop chemtrailing over the summer because they know that rioting IN GENERAL happens when the weather is hot and sunny. If it rains, people will stay at home.

There's been no let up around these parts - it was horrendus here last week.

[marc_o]

Yeh in MK its pretty bad. For the past three weeks its been constant.

[bones]

last week they were cheming for 3-4 days straight, the result was clear skys in the morning and then by dinner a complete haze. very mild and warm with no wind.

this week its been very windy and sunny, but guess what no chemtrails.

im gonna monitor the weather and see if it corolates with spraying.

might be weather manipulation? keeping the suns rays from us?

[always_rebel]

I have noticed that they are NOT chemtrailing as much at the moment

yes, you're right. Just for a moment. I bet you'll see them again tomorrow. Just like I see them everyday.

[steevo]

yes, you're right. Just for a moment. I bet you'll see them again tomorrow. Just like I see them everyday.

Not seen any for about a week now.

[always_rebel]

Not seen any for about a week now.

You lucky bastard.

[illuminati downfall]

If anything, it's worse here as of late. For the third day in a row today, I looked up and noticed them again. I was just thinking of that shortly before I logged in here, wondering if it is getting worse. Then low and behold I saw this thread asking if it's actually getting better. i really suppose it must greatly depend on where you live. I wonder if it goes in cycles, some places get more while others get less at times.

[steevo]

There are no chemtrails here again today.

[offspring of eve]

North east England -All clear here! Just the odd contrail but they disapear in a few moments. Last saw thick chemtrail last Friday, We've had fab weather since

[witmeister]

Manchester

Been VERY windy this week, but seen very few chemtrails.

Is it a waste of time for them to spray in such windy conditions??
Do high winds stop the chemtrails achieving their objectives (whatever they are)??

I'll bet that they start again as soon as the winds drop slightly.

I'll keep the forum posted

cheers everyone

[realfake]

I have noticed that they are NOT chemtrailing as much at the moment, and it has resulted in us having lots more sunshine. There is no point in sending out my chemtrail leaflet now lol
I actually mentioned to my other half a month or so a go that the PTB will stop chemtrailing over the summer because they know that rioting IN GENERAL happens when the weather is hot and sunny. If it rains, people will stay at home. I'll remind you of this at the end of July when everyone's going ape shit about the spraying. :D Their shit really sticks when it's nice and humid.

However, I do hope you're right (Minus the rioting)

[realfake]

Manchester

Been VERY windy this week, but seen very few chemtrails.

Is it a waste of time for them to spray in such windy conditions??
Do high winds stop the chemtrails achieving their objectives (whatever they are)??

I'll bet that they start again as soon as the winds drop slightly.

I'll keep the forum posted

cheers everyone Mother Earth is still running the show here mate. The flying circus is at her mercy.

[infin8_possibility]

Manchester

Been VERY windy this week, but seen very few chemtrails.

Is it a waste of time for them to spray in such windy conditions??
Do high winds stop the chemtrails achieving their objectives (whatever they are)??

I'll bet that they start again as soon as the winds drop slightly.

I'll keep the forum posted

cheers everyone

Yeah its not been to bad around Manc recently, but I agree - very fuckin windy!

Here's a good site on how to protect yourself from the toxins in the chemtrails, Ive added I quote from the emmense amount of data:

From Barium, Chemtrails, & Immuno-suppression By Bob Lee:

"There is no question about the effect of barium exposure, i.e., barium will interfere with T-cell activation - barium will interfere with natural immune system functioning.

"If the research concerning the particulate matter in rainwater collected in areas where chemtrail activity is high continues to yield barium, we may have a first understanding of the purpose of chemtrail spraying, i.e., to directly impact the T-cell systems of the humans beneath the chemtrail targets. Therefore, in the continuing science of study of chemtrails it is imperative that measurements of the health of the population beneath the targeted areas be monitored. As barium blocks T-cells activation, i.e., weakening the immune system, we should expect to see statistically significant increases in various diseases which might normally be minimally occurring in a population with a fully activated immune system. It is therefore important to seek out physicians, nurses, and other medical authorities in chemtrail spray areas who may then report on the incidence of disease. If barium is, indeed, a significant particulate in 'chemtrail' sprayings it is hypothesized that, upon a few days after a spraying, there would be an increased number of the population seeking medical assistance."

*This explanation makes more and more sense of the importance the Spiritual Hierarchy place on the use of pure unfiltered apple juice or apple pectin in our daily lives in a list of chemtrail immunity products we need in our diet to deal with future situations:

APPLE PECTIN

"Apple pectin helps remove radiation from the system it is available in bottles at most health food stores, flavored or unflavored. If one wishes simply to consume a lot of apples or raw, unfiltered apple juice, these are also viable alternatives.

"Apple Pectin is a source of water soluble fiber which has a gel-forming effect when mixed with water. As a dietary fiber, Apple Pectin is helpful in maintaining good digestive health. Pectin is defined as any of a group of white, amorphous, complex carbohydrates that occurs in ripe fruits and certain vegetables. Fruits rich in Pectin are the peach, apple, currant, and plum. Protopectin, present in unripe fruits, is converted to Pectin as the fruit ripens. Pectin forms a colloidal solution in water and gels on cooling. When fruits are cooked with the correct amount of sugar, and when the acidity is optimum and the amount of Pectin present is sufficient, jams and jellies can be made. In overripe fruits, the Pectin becomes pectic acid, which does not form jelly with sugar solutions. An indigestible, soluble fiber, Pectin is a general intestinal regulator that is used in many medicinal preparations, especially as an anti-diarrhea agent. Our ancestors believed that old proverb "An apple a day keeps the doctor away". Today, nutritional scientists research for evidences that verify how Apples are good for our health. Apples are rich in pectin, a soluble fiber, which is effective in lowering cholesterol levels. Apples work in any form (raw fruit or powder or juice) to maintain good cardiovascular health. Researchers at the University of California, Davis, found that Apple Pectin acts as an antioxidant against the damaging portion of cholesterol in the blood stream. Many researchers suggest that people who eat fatty foods should, if possible, wash down this food with apple juice rather than the usual drink.

"Researchers have found that raw Apples are the richest of fruits in pectin, with the Jonagold variety of Apple leading other varieties. A diet of low fiber, high fat, and animal protein appears to be the leading cause of death in many people. It has been established that a diet rich in Apple Pectin can protect against these diseases. Research in Japan has found that Apple Pectin can also decrease the chances of colon cancer. Apple Pectin helps maintain intestinal balance by cleansing the intestinal tract with its soluble and insoluble fibers. Apple Pectin tends to increase acidity in the large intestines, and is advocated for those suffering from ulcer or colitis, and for regulating blood pressure. Pectin is also effective in causing regressions in, and preventing, gallstones. There is also evidence that the regular use of Apple Pectin may lessen the severity of diabetes. Along these lines, it has been suggested that fiber-depleted diets actually help cause diabetes mellitus. Other studies have shown that the regular consumption of Apple Pectin could lead to permanent reductions in insulin requirements (to prevent the possibility of insulin overdose, diabetics should make their physician aware of the dietary change). --from Lesson #10 Ten Recommendations for Staying Healthy in Chaotic Times by Peter Farley http://www.librarising.com/conspiracy/www.4truthseekers.org

FRESH ROYAL JELLY
‘Fresh’ Royal Jelly (or the small inexpensive phials of Chinese Bee Pollen and Royal Jelly)

KAMUT
Kamut http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/proceedings1999/v4-182.html Something I believe to do with the fact that it contains more lipids and fatty acids than regular wheat as well as being more easily digestible.

And any alkaline-balancing foods --particularly cabbage and such products as Inner Light Supergreens. I have seen a number of people whose health preoccupation is the acid-alkaline balance of the body but was more than impressed by the way they were able to fight off many of the health problems, alien energy forms etc which threaten most other people's health.

AVOID VITAMINS WITH HIGH METAL CONTENT THAT COULD MIX WITH THE CHEMTRAIL MIX AND "ACCLERATE" THE CHEMTRAIL EFFECTS
Vitamins also contain higher than normal levels of metals over the last few years. If you take vitamins that are loaded with metals, you only amplify the chemtrails effect.

CILANTRO
Another way is to add cilantro to your body as this helps your body to excrete metals. Another way is intestinal detoxification. Also drink lots of apple juice and eat lots of apples within 12 hrs of a chemtrail spraying.

CHELATION THERAPY
Probably the very best method to remove metals from the body is by EDTA chelation therapy. Chelation works by EDTA (an amino acid) binding to the heavy metal molecule and being excreted by the body. It is a safe, effective, medically approved process to treat heavy metal poisoning.

ALKALINE BASE FOODS
Most all of you know how to obtain and grow this.

INNERLIGHT SUPERGREENS
Inner light supergreens. For those of you who can't manage the time or don't want to, Inner light Supergreens (http://www.innerlightinc.com/online/) or a similar product sounds like a very good choice for your preparedness as well as your routine health maintenance supplies . . .

HOMEMADE PREPERATIONS

A formula to gargle and then swallow:

¼ tspn baking soda

¼ tspn sea salt

1/8 tspn cream of tartar

Mix in a few ounces of ‘good’ warm water, gargle and then swallow after prolonged exposure or before bedtime.

RED WINE
A glass of red or white wine before bedtime or after prolonged exposure (wince contains tartaric acid from which cream of tartar is made)

ICE CREAM
If nothing else is available . . . yes, ice cream! The mucous formed by the ice cream in the body helps surround and pass the chemtrail ingredients through the lower intestinal tract where they would normally build up and cause gastrointestinal toxicity.

Unfortunately, when you have already come down with the dry cough and associated bronchial or respiratory troubles, something stronger is needed. The following are the three things, when taken one after the other (in sequence) will help deal with and eventually alleviate the problem. My experience is relief was within 15-20 minutes. The combination should be taken at least three times a day until symptoms disappear.

1. Lemon Balm (Melissa officinalis) tincture – HerbPharm make one of the best. (http://www.herb-pharm.com/) Melissa (Melissa officinalis) has a light, fresh, lemony scent that is strengthening to the immune system and revitalizing, yet soothing and calming. It was an important ingredient in Carmelite water (distilled in France since 1611 by members of the Carmelite Order).

2. Grape Seed Extract – Nature’s Plus Grape Seed tincture is the one Guidance recommends most highly. (http://www.naturesplus.com/default_flash.asp)

3. Pomegranate seed oil (Punica Granatum) - It takes about 500 lbs of fresh pomegranates to produce 1 lb of pomegranate seed oil. Pomegranate seed oil is one of the only plant sources of conjugated fatty acids. Punicic acid is a compound closely related to conjugated linoleic acid (CLA). Punicic acid in pomegranate seed oil, has been called a "super CLA", whose effect is even more potent than ordinary CLA.

Pomegranate concentrate or pomegranate jelly, etc are all worthy substitutes to assist the problem when the seed oil is not available but are not as concentrated in the vital ingredients nor as effective.

Some suggested sources and reading on pomegranate seed oil:
http://www.earthoil.com/Vegetable-Oils-Organic-Pomegranate-Seed-Oil-3445
http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/95/5/346
http://www.nutrintl.co.uk/pomegranate/pomegranate.htm

ESSENTIAL OIL SPRAY MIX

Mix this into a 2oz or 3oz sprayer and spray in your car, and roll up your windows if chemtrails have occurred.

15 drops of citronella (used in perfumes a lot)
3 drops of pine
4 drops of tea tree
25 drops of lemongrass
After spraying the above essential oil mix, breathe in an hold the mist in your lungs for 5 seconds, and you will feel the effect of the chemtrails dissipate.

You can also mix a batch of 60% isopropyl rubbing alcohol and 40% water and spray your living area just before and after a chemtrail spraying to kill the microbes created from spraying.

Another great way to combat the effects of chemtrails, as well as make the public more aware.
O open a series of cafes called "chemtrail cafes" and only serve foods that combat the effects of chemtrails, ice cream, apple smoothies etc. These would do especially well in cities the public awareness about chemtrails is strong such as Austrin Tex, and L.A.

http://chemtrails.bust.angelfire.com/

[hank_scorpio]

Chemtrails are getting sprayed at a rate I haven't seen ever over here in Canada. Every fucking day.

[steevo]

STILL no chemtrails here. And it's a beautiful sunny day. It has been sunny here just about EVERY DAY since they stopped chemtrailing.

[endlessvista]

Haven't see on over here in about a week.

[1eyeopen]

I'm in the north east about 2 miles from Sunderland and over the last three weeks or so i've seen a change in patter. I've lived in my house for a year and from the day i moved in we've had about 2 clear days every 10. However, recently the pattern has changed to 4 days on 2 days off.

[drhemp]

Well I hope you are right, however, over the last few weeks I have noticed a lot of spraying over the south Devon skies, though thankfully today it's clear and I don't see any.

[michael christopher]

I've noticed a huge increase over Cincinnati. It's like they are scared by blue skies here. You will be lucky to see a solid blue cerulean sky for more than a few hours. It's disgusting, but all I can do is send my energy to the wind to blow the shit away and piss off the government.

might be weather manipulation? keeping the suns rays from us?

That's part of it. The suns' rays speak to our spirits. They energize us, and urge us to wake up. They are spraying metal into the air to reflect the rays of the sun and they say it's for "global warming" but the eso-terrorists (haha I like that) in charge of everything are well aware of what sun rays do. Also, we breathe those metal particles in and they cause wonderful things like cancer and disease. The controllers think this is a great subtle way to reduce the population.

[griswald]

Ireland in the midlands, clear all week. Saw 5 planes in the space of a day, all contrails. That was a bigger shock.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jxEeRQc5N4

griswald

[steevo]

Still no chemtrails today. It's cloudy mainly now but that does not appear to be as a result of chemtrails cos I didnt see any chemtrails when the sun was out earlier. It's probably nearly 2 weeks since I saw any chemtrails (except for one particular day when I saw a very small amount of them, I think there were three chemtrails that day that I saw that day).

[anthony65]

Still no chemtrails today. It's cloudy mainly now but that does not appear to be as a result of chemtrails cos I didnt see any chemtrails when the sun was out earlier. It's probably nearly 2 weeks since I saw any chemtrails (except for one particular day when I saw a very small amount of them, I think there were three chemtrails that day that I saw that day).


Whereabouts are you?

http://www.sat24.com/gb

Check out the rippled effect in the north of Scotland...

Might be gone by the time you take a look though, but there's always something of interest on Sat24.com :D

[realfake]

Started back up here (North East England) yesterday afternoon. They've been very busy this morning. The cloud keeps breaking and they keep patching it back up. :mad:

[steevo]

Whereabouts are you?

http://www.sat24.com/gb

Check out the rippled effect in the north of Scotland...

Might be gone by the time you take a look though, but there's always something of interest on Sat24.com :D

I'm somewhre in the North of England, Yorkshire (I'm not sure where EXACTLY. Hang on a minute, let me check....I'm in the front room on my chair). ;):D

Yes that is a wierd ripple effect in Scotland. Is it anything to do with Chemtrails ?

Here, where I am, it's very cloudy now. So I can't check for chemtrails. But like I said I have seen virtually no chemtrails in the past 2 weeks nearly. Contrails yes, chemtrails no.

[steevo]

The reduction in chemtrails co-incided with the distribution of my leaflet (have I mentioned my leaflet before ? :D). I am sort of disapointed cos I need people to SEE the chemtrails for them to take notice of my leaflet.

IF YOU WANT TO STOP CHEMTRAILS IN YOUR AREA, THEN DOWNLOAD AND DISTRIBUTE MY LEAFLET NOW :-

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/3624/chemtrails1.jpg

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/2034/chemtrails2.jpg

[anthony65]

I'm somewhre in the North of England, Yorkshire (I'm not sure where EXACTLY. Hang on a minute, let me check....I'm in the front room on my chair). ;):D

Yes that is a wierd ripple effect in Scotland. Is it anything to do with Chemtrails ?

Here, where I am, it's very cloudy now. So I can't check for chemtrails. But like I said I have seen virtually no chemtrails in the past 2 weeks nearly. Contrails yes, chemtrails no.

In the front room?

Excellent!

Best place to be! :D

The ripple effect is down to HAARP.

Ionispheric heaters:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionospheric_heater

The list of current facilities in wikipedia is a joke!

I posted a thread about HAARP facilities in Sweden and similar stuff ion loads of other countries, including Holland and France (where they call it Nostradamus...:eek:)

But the HAARP network is just the tip of the EMF iceberg.

As I posted somewhere else today, we are surrounded by this shit!

TV masts, radio masts, mobile phone masts, weather bally, military radar...

All fucking up the atmosphere...

Which chemtrails apparently love.

And they can make fake clouds which blocks out any sunlight the chemtrails haven't already blocked out.

Fake / Haarped clouds often show a rippled effect, like wet sand. They are generally thin and sometimes you'll even see rips in them...

But orgonite is the answer to all this and more...

Good for your garden too! :D

[fuzzylogic]

I'm interested in if there's laws governing people handing out leaflets full of lies.

Let's start at the top...

The TRUTH.

Well that's debateable. You don't even know that it's true, so how can you say it's the truth?

that Gordon Brown doesn't want you to know about.

Who says?

Summers non-existant recently.

What? Prove it!

OFFICIALLY refered to as chemtrails.

Nope, I think you'll find they are OFFICIALLY refered to as contrails. They are unofficially refered to as chemtrails.

Studies in the united states have found that they contain barium and aluminium.

No they haven't.

They are also known to wear down your immune system.

Boulderdash. Prove it! Needs more proof than a few people saying they feel poorly.

According to the Independant newspaper and NBC news...

Really? Where? Some links for that please.

Chemtrails expand and become artificial clouds which create continually overcast weather conditions and block out the sun's essential health benefits.

In what way are they blocking the sun's essential health benefits please?

Chemtrails are not to be mistaken with "contrails" which dissipate, and are usually gone in 10 minutes.

It would be nice if you guys could at least come to some sort of decision on how long contrails are supposed to last. Where exactly are you getting this 10 minute value from?

For something labelled as TRUTH I'm struggling to find a single FACT in there.

[anthony65]

I smell fuzzy logic.... :(

Open the window please someone! :eek:

[steevo]

FuzzyLogic, yes your logic is pretty fuzzy. I suggest that YOU do some research BEFORE trying to debunk my leaflet.

[fuzzylogic]

Maybe you'd like to point out where my logic is fuzzy.

As far as I'm concerned your leaflet is debunked. I think you'd struggle to back up a single claim you've made, as I pointed out. Feel free to try, of course.

[anthony65]

FuzzyLogic, yes your logic is pretty fuzzy. I suggest that YOU do some research BEFORE trying to debunk my leaflet.

Fuzzy gets big thrills from posting on the forum and winding people up.

Sometimes he gets all giggly and can't control himself...

Which is rather sad really... :(

Poor Fuzzy! :(

[anthony65]

Maybe you'd like to point out where my logic is fuzzy.

As far as I'm concerned your leaflet is debunked. I think you'd struggle to back up a single claim you've made, as I pointed out. Feel free to try, of course.


Fuzzy:

Why should we waste any more time with you?

You are convinced that chemtrails don't exist and that we're all talking bollocks (just like Denis Kucinich in the Space Preservation Act).

You believe that all is fine in the world and we should trust our governments.

Apart from getting a few girly giggles from winding people up, why oh why are your here Fuzzy? :confused:

[fuzzylogic]

You believe that all is fine in the world and we should trust our governments.
Where have I said that?

[steevo]

Maybe you'd like to point out where my logic is fuzzy.

As far as I'm concerned your leaflet is debunked. I think you'd struggle to back up a single claim you've made, as I pointed out. Feel free to try, of course.

You have done a very poor job of trying to debunk my leaflet. Are you new to the debunking game ? Like I already said, YOU should do the research BEFORE attempting to debunk anything, otherwise it becomes a waste of time, where I have to continually reply to someone who is just PLAYING AT BEING THE "SKEPTIC".

DO SOME RESEARCH.

Just out of interest, is it just me that you try to debunk or do you do the mainstream media news reports too ?

Do you NOT like the freedom of speech that the humble leaflet allows ? My leaflet will go out as planned.

[anthony65]

Where have I said that?

That's the impression that comes across.

Most of us here are convinced that there is some serious shit going on in the world right now, and we're trying to work out what it is and how we can stop it.

We care.

Your total contribution to the forum seems to be winding people up, dismissing any non-establishment point of views and generally licking the arse of the establishment.

Or have I misunderstood you?

Tell me I'm wrong...

Tell me you care...

And tell me whether or not you feel there is any reason to be concerned that the people currently ruling the world are trying to trick us all into a fascist one world government of incredibly evil dimensions.

Do you believe in God Fuzzy?

Do you believe that we have souls?

I've got you down for atheist?

A Richard Dawkins teapot fan by any chance? :rolleyes:

[fuzzylogic]

You have done a very poor job of trying to debunk my leaflet. Are you new to the debunking game ? Like I already said, YOU should do the research BEFORE attempting to debunk anything, otherwise it becomes a waste of time, where I have to continually reply to someone who is just PLAYING AT BEING THE "SKEPTIC".

DO SOME RESEARCH.

Just out of interest, is it just me that you try to debunk or do you do the mainstream media news reports too ?

Do you NOT like the freedom of speech that the humble leaflet allows ? My leaflet will go out as planned.
Why do you assume I haven't done any research? Wouldn't it be rather stupid to refute something if no research had been done?

My research leads me to believe that you cannot back up a single claim made on that leaflet.

[steevo]

Why do you assume I haven't done any research? Wouldn't it be rather stupid to refute something if no research had been done?

My point exactly!

My research leads me to believe that you cannot back up a single claim made on that leaflet.

And this "belief" of yours is based on "research" that you CLEARLY have NOT done.

[fuzzylogic]

And this "belief" of yours is based on "research" that you CLEARLY have NOT done.
I think you are confusing "have NOT done" with "don't believe".

[steevo]

I think you are confusing "have NOT done" with "don't believe".

No! You have NOT DONE THE RESEARCH. End of story.

[steevo]

Fuzzylogic, you have probably convinced one or two people not to send out my leaflet. That's a shame :( Well done! Your objectives have been met.

Now lets get this thread back on track cos it will NOT be going in the Rant Room. It's staying put :)

[fuzzylogic]

No! You have NOT DONE THE RESEARCH. End of story.
Please stop telling me what I have or haven't done.

I keep telling you that I have done enough research to know that you cannot back up one of your claims on the leaflet.

[anthony65]

Please stop telling me what I have or haven't done.

I keep telling you that I have done enough research to know that you cannot back up one of your claims on the leaflet.

Oh no you haven't!

Oh yes I have!

Oh no you haven't!

Oh yes I have!

Oh no you haven't!

Oh yes I have!

Oh no you haven't!

Oh yes I have!

Oh no you haven't!

Oh yes I have!

Oh no you haven't!

Oh yes I have!

:D

[steevo]

Please stop telling me what I have or haven't done.

I keep telling you that I have done enough research to know that you cannot back up one of your claims on the leaflet.

Ok Fuzzy Logic, you should find most of the information to back up the claims in my leaflet in the link below. I suggest that you read through it, and I hope it helps :-

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12128

[anthony65]

Ok Fuzzy Logic, you should find most of the information to back up the claims in my leaflet in the link below. I suggest that you read through it, and I hope it helps :-

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12128

And a big hug from me too Fuzzy! :D

If you were a bit less aggressive you could actually make a positive contribution here.

And I mean that!

What is your motivation Fuzzy?

To piss people off?

Or to try to work out what is really going on in the world?

** That was a big manly hug by the way!

I hope I didn't squash you! :o

[fuzzylogic]

Ok Fuzzy Logic, you should find most of the information to back up the claims in my leaflet in the link below. I suggest that you read through it, and I hope it helps :-

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12128
135 pages of cloud spotting and speculation? Forgive me if I'm still not sold.

Motivation, anthony65?

Time to kill.

[steevo]

And a big hug from me too Fuzzy! :D

If you were a bit less aggressive you could actually make a positive contribution here.

And I mean that!

What is your motivation Fuzzy?

To piss people off?

Or to try to work out what is really going on in the world?

** That was a big manly hug by the way!

I hope I didn't squash you! :o

lol Nice one Ant :D

[mila]

The reduction in chemtrails co-incided with the distribution of my leaflet (have I mentioned my leaflet before ? :D). I am sort of disapointed cos I need people to SEE the chemtrails for them to take notice of my leaflet.

IF YOU WANT TO STOP CHEMTRAILS IN YOUR AREA, THEN DOWNLOAD AND DISTRIBUTE MY LEAFLET NOW :-

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/3624/chemtrails1.jpg
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/2034/chemtrails2.jpg

Thanks Steevo, for sharing your leaflet!

I'm going to translate it in Dutch now :)

[steevo]

Thanks Steevo, for sharing your leaflet!

I'm going to translate it in Dutch now :)

Oh great! Thank you VERY much for that Mila :)

[mila]

Clear skies in Amsterdam this morning,
perfectly blue...
but tonight...they are in a real hurry to spray...:mad:!!

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/4336/chemtrails008.jpg
From my balcony.

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/25/chemtrails004.jpg

:eek:

[anthony65]

135 pages of cloud spotting and speculation? Forgive me if I'm still not sold.

Motivation, anthony65?

Time to kill.

You've got time.

You've got brains.

You've even got a sense of humour.

I've got very little time, with 3 little ones to take care of, but having very little time makes me more aware of getting the most out of the time I have.

I would never kill time.

I love every day!

Let's be nice to each other and exchange opinions / ideas...

Did you ever read about Operation Northwoods?

or Operation Gladio?

You know of the Reichstag fire of course and it's easy to believe that the Nazi's were bad people (which they were: very bad!), but what about the Americans, the British, the Italians, etc?

The Manhattan Project had about 150,000 people working on it, yet President Truman apparently had to be briefed about when he came to office. Certainly the man in the street had no idea.

Fuzzy accepts that chemtrails are feasible.

We all know that geoengineering depicts chemtrails, under other names, as a solution for global warming. This has been shown in print and TV numerous times.

What we see in the skies on many days (but not this morning! :)) looks exactly like the geoengineering scenarios.

I highly recommend everyone to read Angels Don't Play this HAARP.

There are bad things going on in the world Fuzzy, but there are many good people out there doing something about it!

I believe that behind all of this there is a spiritual dimension (or dimensions ;)) so while I will get a bit emotional sometimes when debating, I'm fully prepared at anytime to stop squabbling and get on with things constructively.

I've had a few ding dongs with people on the forum and in most cases we've sorted things out and shaken hands over it!

Which is nice! :D

What is your current position as to chemtrails Fuzzy?

You accept that it is feasible that they could be produced, but you dispute the argument that they are being used.

Why?

Watch the skies every day and the evidence is overwhelming.

And I genuinely hope that you learn to appreciate and enjoy time rather than killing it. :)

[steevo]

Literally only a FEW chemtrails today but they were only very short. It was mainly sunshine and blue skies all day :)

Chemtrails = Cloudy skies and very little sunshine if any.
No Chemtrails = Sunshine and blue skies (except when NATURALLY cloudy)

[rjl9332]

as far as Im concerned chemtrail denying is either plain (no pun intended) ignorance or disinfo agent work. Eugenics has been going on for SO long now - the only way to get away with it (at least as much as possible) is to go for the soft kill techniques - gradually build up those heavy metals + bio agents - so that when the CFR puts out PDF files talking about spraying in the atmosphere its got to be read in context. Heres the link... http://www.cfr.org/content/thinktank/GeoEng_Jan2709.pdf

and for those who aint seen it, my latest chemtrail vid with some pretty powerful timelapse. you should see the 770mb full screen format, specially frame by frame. here ya go http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaQV4fYzB3U

[banjoreality]

Hi guys, look don't take it personally but we should all ignore fuzzy logic on the chemtrail subject, no one here is in denial about them...fuzzy u sound like a disinfo agent.
I am pretty convinced now that we make the weather so don't let the f ck rs get u down, remember YOU make the weather, the weather doesn't make you...

[anthony65]

Hi guys, look don't take it personally but we should all ignore fuzzy logic on the chemtrail subject, no one here is in denial about them...fuzzy u sound like a disinfo agent.
I am pretty convinced now that we make the weather so don't let the f ck rs get u down, remember YOU make the weather, the weather doesn't make you...

The problem with ignoring is that someone new to the site will get pulled into a useless debate.

I definitely don't think that Fuzzy is a disinfo agent. I've met too many people in day to day life who argue the way Fuzzy does. Disinfo agents are more cunning. Fuzzy comes across as a know-it-all twat sometimes, but I think he genuinely believes what he writes, just as there are people we meet every day who bury their heads in the sand, or...

Are too programmed to break free of the matrix, or...

Are carrying around their own personal demons...

I wrote in a previous post that the likes of Fuzzy and Marpat are actually a bonus sometimes, because they motivate us to dig deeper and fight harder.

I would like to see the day come when Fuzzy can contribute here in a less aggressive way.

And I wish him all the best, just as I would wish everyone the best...

But...

If we get into the debating ring again.... :rolleyes:

Then it's no holds barred Fuzzy! :mad:

You have been warned! :D

[banjoreality]

HI ANTHONY, look I 've really been thinking about the orgonite, I've come to the conclusion that one of the biggest pieces of natural orgonite on the planet is the human brain, and I've been blasting the chemtrails with it, they want to dry us up here in spain so I've been thinking rain, rain, rain, rain, like a soothing mantra..... SO FAR IT'S WORKED I GOT THREE DAYS OF RAIN!!!!
come on Anthony let's blast the F#@$kers!!! all brains connect, go thunderbrains GO!!!!

[marpat]

I have looked through this thread and it seems that nobody is willing to accept that what fuzzy has read could be real. What is the reason for this? I see so much material that is posted as a claim to truth but as soon as material is questioned the forum users go into the wolfpack mode and attack the person asking the questions. A true researcher should be able to look at ALL information impartially without getting emotional, yet it is plane to see that people are outraged that their own views are questioned.

Steevo, fuzzy challeneged your leaflet with some good questions. Instead of trying to assassinate his charatcer why dont you offer a counter arguement. If you have all this information available then it should not be hard. You made some hard statements, now back them up. That is all he was asking.

As for people saying that you should all put him on ignore, that sounds like people who are in denial and unwilling to question their own ideas.

[banjoreality]

You think I haven't questioned chemtrails? you think I haven't done enough F'in research?! You think I haven't taken enough pictures of them gassing my kids (and everybody elses)? this thread started as: reduction in chemtrails? not d'ya think they f€ckin' exist!! mate, whoever is still in doubt as to wether our respective shadow governments are heavily into EUGENICS should get a reality check!!! If you still think chemtrails don't exist, YOU are in heavy denial. Weather manipulation is a FACT and A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY Go post a "do you really think chemtrails exist?" thread and see the reaction....

[marpat]

The problem with ignoring is that someone new to the site will get pulled into a useless debate.

I definitely don't think that Fuzzy is a disinfo agent. I've met too many people in day to day life who argue the way Fuzzy does. Disinfo agents are more cunning. Fuzzy comes across as a know-it-all twat sometimes, but I think he genuinely believes what he writes, just as there are people we meet every day who bury their heads in the sand, or...

Are too programmed to break free of the matrix, or...

Are carrying around their own personal demons...

I wrote in a previous post that the likes of Fuzzy and Marpat are actually a bonus sometimes, because they motivate us to dig deeper and fight harder.

I would like to see the day come when Fuzzy can contribute here in a less aggressive way.

And I wish him all the best, just as I would wish everyone the best...

But...

If we get into the debating ring again.... :rolleyes:

Then it's no holds barred Fuzzy! :mad:

You have been warned! :D

But you dont fight back with factual information. All that happens is when ideas are questioned we get the same accusation of being trolls or shills. If I put information to you from a top scientist that was against the idea of chemtrails you would say it was a cover up but if I found information from a scientist claiming they were true then you would seize that as proof and accept it, regardless of how factual it is.

You want to fight then answer some questions.

1) if chemtrails are meant to poison people then why are you not all wearing respirators to protect yourselves?

2) why would the governments poison THEIR OWN atmosphere, the fact being that they to depend on it.

3) Is there anybody in the forum who is qualified to make a judgement on things that are occuring in the atmosphere and who can make a judgement based on more than an appearance

4) if these trails are everywhere then the evidence must be everywhere. Has anybody in this forum collected any physical evidence of particles coming from these so called chemtrails. If not then why not

5) if chemtrails are meant to target people then why do they also appear over the sea, where few people are.

I could go on. Some of the information people use as evidence is also irelevant. I see people posting information about spraying experiments that occured during the cold war but that is all self explanatory. The video of the German weatherman seeing a cloud appear on his radar could also have a very sound explanation that is not linked to chemtrails.

I have seen picture posted on Rense.com that apparently show a 'chemtrail' pod but that pic is a red herring. All that has been done is to go onto a military webpage, that I found as well by a little searching, and to find a pic of an aircraft refuelling pod. Rense then tries to describe the various parts of the refuelling pod without any knowledge at all of what he was talking about. Now to me this is nothing more than a pure stab in the dark, a desperate effort to 'come up with the goods' when nothing else is available. It is a well known fact that if you do not feed the believers that they will grow tired and take their money and interest elsewhere. On the same page the question is asked why French aircrew are flying this aircraft around US airspace. The answer is simply that allied nations often travel around the globe conducting exercises. The US is a favourite because there is so much space that exercises can be done in areas completely removed from civilian areas, which enhances safety and security.

[skunksmash]

Clear skies in Amsterdam this morning,
perfectly blue...
but tonight...they are in a real hurry to spray...:mad:!!

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/4336/chemtrails008.jpg
From my balcony.

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/25/chemtrails004.jpg

:eek:

bloody hell.....:eek:

cmon, what more proof does anyone need..??, give us a logical explanation... not only to the fact these trails remain in the sky, but also the apparent lack of any conformity to the flight paths..??

those pics are classic.....;)




:)SK

[marpat]

You think I haven't questioned chemtrails? you think I haven't done enough F'in research?! You think I haven't taken enough pictures of them gassing my kids (and everybody elses)? this thread started as: reduction in chemtrails? not d'ya think they f€ckin' exist!! mate, whoever is still in doubt as to wether our respective shadow governments are heavily into EUGENICS should get a reality check!!! If you still think chemtrails don't exist, YOU are in heavy denial. Weather manipulation is a FACT and A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY Go post a "do you really think chemtrails exist?" thread and see the reaction....

I see a lot of people talking about research but research implies more than just reading information on what you want to believe. True research would involve getting information from both sides of the debate, then questioning both points of view, the merits and faults of the debate before forming any sort of conclusion. It seems to me that people like to make themsleves feel important and intelligent by claiming they do all this research but I never see anything that points to them examining the accepted scientific methods as well as the alternative views.

For the majority in here research is a term used for collecting material that promotes a personal set of beliefs rather than material that is used to analyse and question an arguement with the aim of forming an impartial opinion.

[marpat]

bloody hell.....:eek:

cmon, what more proof does anyone need..??, give us a logical explanation... not only to the fact these trails remain in the sky, but also the apparent lack of any conformity to the flight paths..??

those pics are classic.....;)




:)SK

I find it odd that you think a few picture constitues any form of proof whatsoever.

How would you know what the flight paths are?

Why would such trails remain in the sky? perhaps the same reason that clouds do. Clouds are present under some atmospheric conditions but not others. Why should it not be the same for these trails, after all they are formed from vapours.

Can you give any reason why they should not remain in the sky? true there is a time difference between different types of trails but unless you know the atmospheric conditions then how can you form a judgement?

[steevo]

Steevo, fuzzy challeneged your leaflet with some good questions. Instead of trying to assassinate his charatcer why dont you offer a counter arguement. If you have all this information available then it should not be hard. You made some hard statements, now back them up. That is all he was asking.

As for people saying that you should all put him on ignore, that sounds like people who are in denial and unwilling to question their own ideas.

I'm not here to "argue" that's why. I have done my research marpat and you know it. You Marpat tried FOR AGES to say that chemtrails didnt exist and I proved YOU wrong REMEMBER ??? Or have you FORGOT ?

[marpat]

I'm not here to "argue" that's why. I have done my research marpat and you know it. You Marpat tried FOR AGES to say that chemtrails didnt exist and I proved YOU wrong REMEMBER ??? Or have you FORGOT ?

But you never proved me wrong otherwise I would be agreeing with you.

All I know is that you 'research' information that promotes what you want to believe. This is why people ask questions.

I never said they didnt exist, I have always maintained that I am undecided on the subject until it can be proven one way or the other. I do not need to believe in the subject as some sort of emotional security blanket.

We are debating, not arguing. Arguements tend to be emotional affairs whereas debate is based more on logical deductions.

All I was saying is that you should have offered fuzzy a counter arguement rather than trying to attack him.

[skunksmash]

I find it odd that you think a few picture constitues any form of proof whatsoever.

How would you know what the flight paths are?

Why would such trails remain in the sky? perhaps the same reason that clouds do. Clouds are present under some atmospheric conditions but not others. Why should it not be the same for these trails, after all they are formed from vapours.

Can you give any reason why they should not remain in the sky? true there is a time difference between different types of trails but unless you know the atmospheric conditions then how can you form a judgement?

HMM..... lets see, from what my tiny mind can gather a ''contrail'' creates tiny ice crystals in the atmosphere, which dissipate rapidly after leaving the engine just like breath on a cold day....... a ''chemtrail'' will remain in the sky & spread out over a period of time......:(

& are you seriously suggesting any air traffic control unit, that has more than 2 braincells would have traffic intersecting like that..??, its complete bull...... for safety reasons flight paths are pretty uniform (1 in - 1 out), they will even bend flight trajectory so as not to cross lanes in most cases...

just stick your head out the door from time to time & you'll notice trails in the sky that are just ludicrously positioned, & dont try & tell me air traffic has increased, b/c i live by the coast in Norfolk & for the 5 years ive been here 4 of them there was nothing due to the local Air Force base, after the base closed, for the last year they started using the airspace for traffic to Norwich, bear in mind this is a (1 in - 1 out) route & like clockwork you can see the commercial craft, but in the last 3 months the trails are heading in POINTLESS directions, trust me, there is nothing out in those directions but ocean ....:rolleyes:,

i heard mention that the excuse is added sulfur in the jet fuel to reflect sunlight, thus preventing global warning..?? not sure how true that is

but these are not normal trails.....





:)SK

[steevo]

But you never proved me wrong otherwise I would be agreeing with you.



But I DID prove you wrong and you KNOW IT! :D

Anyway, I dont care whether you or Fuzzy agree with me. I just dont care, simple as that. I have planted the seeds and THAT is what counts.
As soon as the MAJORITY are aware of chemtrails, I'm sure that you Marpat will switch sides faster than the Italian army.

[marpat]

HMM..... lets see, from what my tiny mind can gather a ''contrail'' creates tiny ice crystals in the atmosphere, which dissipate rapidly after leaving the engine just like breath on a cold day....... a ''chemtrail'' will remain in the sky & spread out over a period of time......:(

& are you seriously suggesting any air traffic control unit, that has more than 2 braincells would have traffic intersecting like that..??, its complete bull...... for safety reasons flight paths are pretty uniform (1 in - 1 out), they will even bend flight trajectory so as not to cross lanes in most cases...

just stick your head out the door from time to time & you'll notice trails in the sky that are just ludicrously positioned, & dont try & tell me air traffic has increased, b/c i live by the coast in Norfolk & for the 5 years ive been here 4 of them there was nothing due to the local Air Force base, after the base closed, for the last year they started using the airspace for traffic to Norwich, bear in mind this is a (1 in - 1 out) route & like clockwork you can see the commercial craft, but in the last 3 months the trails are heading in POINTLESS directions, trust me, there is nothing out in those directions but ocean ....:rolleyes:,

i heard mention that the excuse is added sulfur in the jet fuel to reflect sunlight, thus preventing global warning..?? not sure how true that is

but these are not normal trails.....



:)SK

Actually the intersection could be thousands of feet apart but how could you tell with the naked eye. Do you work in ATC or know anybody who does?

Why should I trust you when you claim that aircraft are going to pointless destinations. How would you know. Explain why I should trust you. Would you trust me? there are destinations over the ocean you know or have you not seen a world map?

I think contrail science is not fully understood so how can you give such an answer as to trail formation? it is very dependent upon atmospheric conditions. How do you know how long ice crystal will linger in the air, what the air temprature is, etc. These are things you cannot know just by looking at the sky. The answers you give are what you have been told by 'chemtrail researchers'.

If you feel you are right then can you answer the questions that I posed?

[marpat]

But I DID prove you wrong and you KNOW IT! :D

Anyway, I dont care whether you or Fuzzy agree with me. I just dont care, simple as that. I have planted the seeds and THAT is what counts.
As soon as the MAJORITY are aware of chemtrails, I'm sure that you Marpat will switch sides faster than the Italian army.

Again you avoid the real issue by trying to make the issue a personal one. You exhibit the mental condition of somebody who refuses to accept anything other than what they wish to believe. Fair enough, thats your choice.

Like I said, you did not prove me wrong. Perhaps you can prove me wrong right now and we will see. Please, prove to me that your theories are correct, perhaps by answering the questions I asked.

Even if the majority of people began to believe that chemtrails existed this does not mean they actually do!!!! fact is not dependent upon belief. The majority can be made to believe many things so numbers are no indication of truth.

[steevo]

Again you avoid the real issue by trying to make the issue a personal one. You exhibit the mental condition of somebody who refuses to accept anything other than what they wish to believe. Fair enough, thats your choice.

Like I said, you did not prove me wrong. Perhaps you can prove me wrong right now and we will see. Please, prove to me that your theories are correct, perhaps by answering the questions I asked.

Even if the majority of people began to believe that chemtrails existed this does not mean they actually do!!!! fact is not dependent upon belief. The majority can be made to believe many things so numbers are no indication of truth.

At the end of the day, I am not here to prove anything to YOU. The evidence IS there and you know it, you have already seen it. You and Fuzzy can go and gather it yourself if you want to, if you dont want to then dont. Am I OBLIGED to care whether you PUBLICALLY agree with me or not ? I dont care whether you agree with me, I told you already :) I have wasted enough time arguing with you. You have purposely wasted alot of MY time and alot of OTHER MEMBER'S time too, and that has to be put to an end NOW.
I believe my leaflet to be accurate based on my research. So my leaflet will CONTINUE to be distributed whether you like it or not (assuming that they will start chemtrailing again).

Here is your instruction manual Marpat (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=900454&postcount=49)

[marpat]

At the end of the day, I am not here to prove anything to YOU. The evidence IS there and you know it, you have already seen it. You and Fuzzy can go and gather it yourself if you want to, if you dont want to then dont. Am I OBLIGED to care whether you PUBLICALLY agree with me or not ? I dont care whether you agree with me, I told you already :) I have wasted enough time arguing with you. You have purposely wasted alot of MY time and alot of OTHER MEMBER'S time too, and that has to be put to an end NOW.
I believe my leaflet to be accurate based on my research. So my leaflet will CONTINUE to be distributed whether you like it or not (assuming that they will start chemtrailing again).

Here is your instruction manual Marpat (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=900454&postcount=49)

Again you prove my point so well. You only wish to believe one thing. I wasnt after an arguement but I was hoping you could prove me wrong with some real scientific facts and evidence to back that up. Guess I will have to wait, AGAIN :D

Childish link but whats new. You cant answer the questions and refuse to back up your claims and then you end the debate. You're in denial. This sort of defence is typical of believers, who treat outsiders like trouble makers, accuse them of being agents and shills, etc. then hide back in your make belief world. I guess there is no power in your 'truth'.

[steevo]

Again you prove my point so well. You only wish to believe one thing. I wasnt after an arguement but I was hoping you could prove me wrong with some real scientific facts and evidence to back that up. Guess I will have to wait, AGAIN :D

Childish link but whats new. You cant answer the questions and refuse to back up your claims and then you end the debate. You're in denial. This sort of defence is typical of believers, who treat outsiders like trouble makers, accuse them of being agents and shills, etc. then hide back in your make belief world. I guess there is no power in your 'truth'.

Right let's stop this argument right now. I wont be sucked into it, and that is why I hardly ever reply to you nowadays, youre a waste of time.

You have made your point, you disagree with my leaflet, SO WHAT! Now go forth and multiply, and stop spamming on my thread.

Because you have wasted even more of my time now, I am gonna make sure that the leaflet is distributed far and wide. It wont be stopped, no matter WHAT you say Marpat. You try to discredit the contents of my leaflet. I dont care. You know you are wrong. Now stop spamming this thread. I know you dont like my leaflet (cos the truth hurts), now move on.

[anthony65]

But you dont fight back with factual information. All that happens is when ideas are questioned we get the same accusation of being trolls or shills. If I put information to you from a top scientist that was against the idea of chemtrails you would say it was a cover up but if I found information from a scientist claiming they were true then you would seize that as proof and accept it, regardless of how factual it is.

You want to fight then answer some questions.

1) if chemtrails are meant to poison people then why are you not all wearing respirators to protect yourselves?

2) why would the governments poison THEIR OWN atmosphere, the fact being that they to depend on it.

3) Is there anybody in the forum who is qualified to make a judgement on things that are occuring in the atmosphere and who can make a judgement based on more than an appearance

4) if these trails are everywhere then the evidence must be everywhere. Has anybody in this forum collected any physical evidence of particles coming from these so called chemtrails. If not then why not

5) if chemtrails are meant to target people then why do they also appear over the sea, where few people are.

I could go on. Some of the information people use as evidence is also irelevant. I see people posting information about spraying experiments that occured during the cold war but that is all self explanatory. The video of the German weatherman seeing a cloud appear on his radar could also have a very sound explanation that is not linked to chemtrails.

I have seen picture posted on Rense.com that apparently show a 'chemtrail' pod but that pic is a red herring. All that has been done is to go onto a military webpage, that I found as well by a little searching, and to find a pic of an aircraft refuelling pod. Rense then tries to describe the various parts of the refuelling pod without any knowledge at all of what he was talking about. Now to me this is nothing more than a pure stab in the dark, a desperate effort to 'come up with the goods' when nothing else is available. It is a well known fact that if you do not feed the believers that they will grow tired and take their money and interest elsewhere. On the same page the question is asked why French aircrew are flying this aircraft around US airspace. The answer is simply that allied nations often travel around the globe conducting exercises. The US is a favourite because there is so much space that exercises can be done in areas completely removed from civilian areas, which enhances safety and security.

But you dont fight back with factual information.

Not true.

I've provided numerous sources of information and Fuzzy himself accepted long ago that chemtrails are theoretically possible.

[banjoreality]

yes you are wasting our time, as i said earlier, this thread is NOT about debating the existence of chemtrails, as for research: does going to three different airports (Milan, Barcelona El Prat and Paris CDG) to interview the airport managers count ? ALL three admitted to working in parallel with the air force in a project that they refer to as SKY OBSCURATION. What I refer to as research is the obligation to understand what world we live in, I have a child, do you? and if so why don't you give a F@#K?

[anthony65]

yes you are wasting our time, as i said earlier, this thread is NOT about debating the existence of chemtrails, as for research: does going to three different airports (Milan, Barcelona El Prat and Paris CDG) to interview the airport managers count ? ALL three admitted to working in parallel with the air force in a project that they refer to as SKY OBSCURATION. What I refer to as research is the obligation to understand what world we live in, I have a child, do you? and if so why don't you give a F@#K?


As the father of three beautiful children I share your passion amigo! :)

[endlessvista]

No spraying today and amazingly perfect spring skies.

[steevo]

No spraying today and amazingly perfect spring skies.

Same here. Although it HAS become NATURALLY* totally overcast now.

*when I say naturally, I mean not done with chemtrails.

[banjoreality]

anthony65, i hope it was clear I was referring to chemtrail deniers in my previous post, they really are starting to piss me off, you got three kids (just one keeps me well busy) and look at the amount of time you manage to squeeze into posting sat. pictures and links here and that IS IMPORTANT, you have all my love and respect.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/36973726@N05/page2/
if in denial...please refrain

[revolutionplease]

The trails that have been sparyed over fife in scotland are disapearing faster but i have noticed that cloulds still appears 30-45 mins later .Do you think they are now trying to hide the fact that they are messing about with mother nature. this is really making me a little angry tryed emails to the GREEN party and Green peace and not one of them has bothered to email me back ,are we the people the only ones that give a toss :mad:

[skunksmash]

The trails that have been sparyed over fife in scotland are disapearing faster but i have noticed that cloulds still appears 30-45 mins later .Do you think they are now trying to hide the fact that they are messing about with mother nature. this is really making me a little angry tryed emails to the GREEN party and Green peace and not one of them has bothered to email me back ,are we the people the only ones that give a toss :mad:

i tell you what....its becoming increasingly more difficult to ''stargaze'' every night for the past 2 months has been a wash of horrid cloud...:(

maybe the PTB are worried about us seeing the UFOs in abundance in our night skies.??, or maybe im just clutching at straws & the PTB have absolutely no influence over the night skies where i live.....lol :p





:)SK

[marpat]

But you dont fight back with factual information.

Not true.

I've provided numerous sources of information and Fuzzy himself accepted long ago that chemtrails are theoretically possible.

Many things are theoretically possible but this does not make them probable. Yes, chemtrails are a theoretical possibility I will agree but this does not mean this is happening. Travelling at the speed of light is another possibility although a technically difficult one.There is a difference between what can be done and what is being done.

Instead of going on about what is a possibility why dont you focus on proving what is going on right now. A few pics and youtube vids is not really going to convince me though. I prefer a bit more substance.

[skunksmash]

A few pics and youtube vids is not really going to convince me though. I prefer a bit more substance.

like what...??, short of sticking you on one of these planes, or taking you down to the depths of government...... you'll never believe.

i mean, what do you need...?? a certificate from the PTB to world aviation groups clarifying these groups are ''certified'' to carpet us with poisons..?? :rolleyes:, im not taking the piss im just trying to understand what would make you believe short of the above..??




:)SK

[steevo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9NKvT7Iuhg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9NKvT7Iuhg

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"In 2001 chemtrails are even mentioned BY NAME in the initial draft of the House (of Representatives) Bill 2977" :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okB-489l6MI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okB-489l6MI






BBC news report confirms that spraying the populations DOES happen (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/4507036.stm)
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[griswald]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9NKvT7Iuhg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9NKvT7Iuhg

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"In 2001 chemtrails are even mentioned BY NAME in the initial draft of the House (of Representatives) Bill 2977" :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okB-489l6MI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okB-489l6MI






BBC news report confirms that spraying the populations DOES happen (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/4507036.stm)
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Thanks for posting Steevo

, now if you can just get Marpat an invite to fly navigator on one of them duster tanks, maybe that would swing it......:D



griswald

[marpat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9NKvT7Iuhg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9NKvT7Iuhg

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"In 2001 chemtrails are even mentioned BY NAME in the initial draft of the House (of Representatives) Bill 2977" :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okB-489l6MI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okB-489l6MI






BBC news report confirms that spraying the populations DOES happen (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/4507036.stm)
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Not again!!!!!!!!! the last article was from the cold war era. My rational would be that spraying tests would be carried out as a possible countermeasure to and NBC attack from the soviets. This would be kept secret to prevent the soviets knowing what the countermeasure would be as they would then develop something else.

The vid I watched was not conclusive. That woman talks of stuff being in the water supply around the time of the supposed spraying but who is to say that this was not just present in the water anyway? that does not prove its origins just that it was there. I keep saying this but if such particles exist and are sprayed all the time then why are forum users not collecting the stuff as evidence? there must be some people out there who could get this stuff looked at.

Again its just youtube vids talking to people about something they can see but dont know anything about. If the experts say they are natural contrails but non-experts, with no means to prove their case, say they are chemtrails then who do you think people should listen to. The believers will just ignore the qualified people and say its a cover up. Nothing like glossing over the realities.

The 2001 vid. If this is typical chemtrailling then why are we not all seeing particles falling from the sky all the time? also these vids leave a person to assume the trail is the source of particles when in fact the proof of particle origin has not been proven, just assumed.

Barium meals are used in medical tests!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Again these things do not prove anything, they just offer speculations and inconclusive results.

[marpat]

Thanks for posting Steevo

, now if you can just get Marpat an invite to fly navigator on one of them duster tanks, maybe that would swing it......:D



griswald

Maybe you should try and get some good info.

If you find that stuff convincing then I think you are easily lead.

[steevo]

Maybe you should try and get some good info.

If you find that stuff convincing then I think you are easily lead.

Is there such a thing as "chemtrails" Marpat ?

[griswald]

Maybe you should try and get some good info.

If you find that stuff convincing then I think you are easily lead.

Maybe you should take off the blinkers;).

griswald

[griswald]

Germany admits chemtrails,

http://www.blinkx.com/video/germany-becomes-one-of-the-first-countries-to-admit-chemtrails-ops/LqoxSfwk8GRBPBQZrDaNQQ

http://radicalfilms.co.uk/2008/02/12/german-meteorologist-states-illegal-weather-modification-chemtrails-are-real-files-un-sanctioned-lawsuit-against-germany-military/

Porton down comments are interesting.


griswald

[banjoreality]

marpat how come your in fucking denial?

you've posted on this site forever

David Icke has done a lot of talking on the subject

try looking at the sky without having ingested diet coke, it does make a difference

Did you even bother to look at these? If so what super scientific debunking do you have to share with me?


http://www.flickr.com/photos/36973726@N05/page2/

[verndewd]

Maybe you should try and get some good info.

If you find that stuff convincing then I think you are easily lead.

Why dont you ask any jet pilot about con trails. And the fact that they only last a few minutes. look up resources on global weather manipulation and see they have been using planes for this , for quite a while.

Then look at the chemical makeup of these trails.

[fuzzylogic]

Germany admits chemtrails,

http://www.blinkx.com/video/germany-becomes-one-of-the-first-countries-to-admit-chemtrails-ops/LqoxSfwk8GRBPBQZrDaNQQ
I'm so intrigued as to if the people who pedal this video really know what it says? Is it being posted in ignorance or to be deliberately misleading?

I'm pretty sure Anthony65 knows what it says, cos when he's posted it at least he's called it chaff. But Anthony65 still doesn't point out that at no point in the video do they say chemtrails and therefore the translation is purposefully misleading.

Why, if something is true, does it need so much misleading information surrounding it to back it up?

[banjoreality]

Hey fuzzy logic...

DEBUNK THIS:


http://www.flickr.com/photos/36973726@N05/page2/

If it still isn't enough send me a message and I'll send you video footage...

[steevo]

There is STILL not a single chemtrail in the sky. It's a beautiful sunny day AGAIN.

[banjoreality]

Same here in barcelona, no chemtrails for 4 days now, we've had beautiful non manipulated weather (with rain and huge clouds) feels good
does anyone else here believe we manipulate reality and not visa versa? if so let's just blink these chemtrails out of our dreams..... (little smiley with hand on remote control)

[marpat]

Germany admits chemtrails,

http://www.blinkx.com/video/germany-becomes-one-of-the-first-countries-to-admit-chemtrails-ops/LqoxSfwk8GRBPBQZrDaNQQ

http://radicalfilms.co.uk/2008/02/12/german-meteorologist-states-illegal-weather-modification-chemtrails-are-real-files-un-sanctioned-lawsuit-against-germany-military/

Porton down comments are interesting.


griswald

How many times have we been through this?

So if there has been a law suit then what was the outcome? if they are doing something illegal and it has been proven then they must have got a result. Even the military is bound by law.

[marpat]

Is there such a thing as "chemtrails" Marpat ?

It is known that aircraft can deliver aerosols to attack enemies, in fact it is part of standard NBC warfare. The delivery is generally by a low level aircraft though and the agents are very fast acting.

This does not mean that because the capability exists that such things are used against the public though.

[banjoreality]

it is known that aircraft can deliver aerosols to attack enemies, in fact it is part of standard nbc warfare. The delivery is generally by a low level aircraft though and the agents are very fast acting.

This does not mean that because the capability exists that such things are used against the public though.

you are naïve.

[marpat]

marpat how come your in fucking denial?

you've posted on this site forever

David Icke has done a lot of talking on the subject

try looking at the sky without having ingested diet coke, it does make a difference

Did you even bother to look at these? If so what super scientific debunking do you have to share with me?


http://www.flickr.com/photos/36973726@N05/page2/

So because Icke has talked about it he must be right? wow, I never knew he was the oracle of Delphi. Icke will show you the true nature of the force, he is your master now.:D

If you read my posts you will probably find myself quoting that I am undecided on the subject until I feel satisfied that certain answers have been ascertained, which is not being done in here.

The people in denial are those who only consider one side of the arguement and totally refuse to consider the generally accepted scientific model because they feel it is false. Pity they dont have the knowledge to back up their denial of such ideas. Personally I would consider both then make a judgement on that but I tend to use both eyes whereas you only tend to use one.

[marpat]

you are naïve.

Yet I ask questions that people cannot answer. What does that make you?

[skunksmash]

Yet I ask questions that people cannot answer. What does that make you?

god, what a total bell end....:(


if we had all the answers we wouldn't be members of a ''conspiracy forum'' would we..?? a lot is left to conjecture, & logical assessment... :rolleyes:

no one can answer your bloody questions b/c NO ONE has the definitive answers, just like you..... you have no proof that states ''chemtrails'' DO NOT exist, so please extend us the same ''possibility'' of it being truth.


& even if we did have all the answers & streams of supporting documentation, you'd still say....''oh well, thats B/S because i have not seen it for myself''....

you wanna stick your head out of the box from time to time...

http://northphoenixagent.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/man-peeking-out-of-moving-box.jpg




:)SK

[banjoreality]

Dear marpat and fuzzy logic, here is a list of things that you can't prove so you logically don't believe them:

-alien grays, reptilians, blood lines, schwarrzi being a nazi, the illuminati, the nazi tibetan connection, the german vrill crafts, hollow earth and last but not least, chemtrails.

If you only believe in pure scientific explanations, what the fuck are you doing posting here?

NOW BACK TO THE ORIGINAL THREAD: HOW ARE THE CHEMTRAILS IN YOUR NEIGHBOURHOOD KIDS ? REDUCING?

[steevo]

It is known that aircraft can deliver aerosols to attack enemies, in fact it is part of standard NBC warfare. The delivery is generally by a low level aircraft though and the agents are very fast acting.

This does not mean that because the capability exists that such things are used against the public though.

Is there such a thing as "chemtrails" Marpat ?

A "yes" or "no" answer would be appreciated.

[flyermay]

Yet I ask questions that people cannot answer. What does that make you?

Can I ask you a question? Have you ever seeing one of those so called "chemtrails" -I mean one of those that stick for hours? What do you think they are, and why don't they dissipate in seconds, like normal ones?

[banjoreality]

Can I ask you a question? Have you ever seeing one of those so called "chemtrails" -I mean one of those that stick for hours? What do you think they are, and why don't they dissipate in seconds, like normal ones?
The ones that hang there for hours are for intoxication trials, the others that disappear are for HAARP weather control.
After 4 lovely normal days here in BCN, THEY ARE BACK!!!! I F'N HATE EM I HATE EM!!! WHEN WILL THE WORLD WAKE UP? WHEN WILL ANY F@CKING NEWSPAPER OR POLITICIAN SPEAK TO THIS? WHEN WILL MY BROTHER StOP F@@CKIN DRINKIN DIET F@CKIN COKE!!!!!! AAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHBBBLBLBL!!!

[steevo]

Well I hadn't hardly seen a single chemtrail in probably over two weeks. BUT TODAY, they are back with a vengeance. There are absolutely fucking tons of the bastards :mad: It's a lovely hazy blue sky (with some normal clouds) and then there is the chemtrails :( My leafleting campaign is back on tomorrow FOR SURE.
If you wanna help stop the chemtrails, send out my leaflets (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=894630&postcount=26).

[marpat]

Can I ask you a question? Have you ever seeing one of those so called "chemtrails" -I mean one of those that stick for hours? What do you think they are, and why don't they dissipate in seconds, like normal ones?

I have seen such trails but how can I ascertain a purpose when people cant even be sure of the nature of what they are seeing? I am not going to presume that just because some linger and some dont that there is a conspiracy.

If it depends on atmospheric conditions then I would presume that they may linger or disperse in the same way clouds do, the difference being clouds are natural formations.

I have asked many questions regarding the subject but people often prefer to make it a personal issue rather than trying to answer my questions.

I am undecided on the subject and require more evidence than people are claiming in here. I am long past taking things at face value, for or against.

[marpat]

Well I hadn't hardly seen a single chemtrail in probably over two weeks. BUT TODAY, they are back with a vengeance. There are absolutely fucking tons of the bastards :mad: It's a lovely hazy blue sky (with some normal clouds) and then there is the chemtrails :( My leafleting campaign is back on tomorrow FOR SURE.
If you wanna help stop the chemtrails, send out my leaflets (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=894630&postcount=26).

Well its another fine day here. Just sorted the gardening out. Might even go out for the day.

Last year you kept going on about how they are doing this to cut us all off from sunlight. If this is so then why would there suddenly be lots of nice weather? do you think they want us to work on ours tans because we spend too much time at a keyboard?

I have heard that this year will be a hot one so if this turns out to be the case and the skies are quite clear then where will the chemtrail theory stand then?

[steevo]

Well its another fine day here. Just sorted the gardening out. Might even go out for the day.

Last year you kept going on about how they are doing this to cut us all off from sunlight. If this is so then why would there suddenly be lots of nice weather? do you think they want us to work on ours tans because we spend too much time at a keyboard?

I have heard that this year will be a hot one so if this turns out to be the case and the skies are quite clear then where will the chemtrail theory stand then?

There you go again with the logical fallacies.

For the third time Marpat :-

Is there such a thing as "chemtrails" Marpat ?

A "yes" or "no" answer would be appreciated.

[marpat]

There you go again with the logical fallacies.

For the third time Marpat :-

Is there such a thing as "chemtrails" Marpat ?

A "yes" or "no" answer would be appreciated.

I would say they could be made but whether they are is another question!!! this is the crux of the matter, not if they can be made but are they being used.

Logical fallacy? please explain.

[flyermay]

I have seen such trails but how can I ascertain a purpose when people cant even be sure of the nature of what they are seeing? I am not going to presume that just because some linger and some dont that there is a conspiracy.

If it depends on atmospheric conditions then I would presume that they may linger or disperse in the same way clouds do, the difference being clouds are natural formations.

I have asked many questions regarding the subject but people often prefer to make it a personal issue rather than trying to answer my questions.

I am undecided on the subject and require more evidence than people are claiming in here. I am long past taking things at face value, for or against.

I appreciate your honesty, and to be fair, I also had many doubts about the chemtrails until 2 weeks ago. In respect to these matters, I’m also quite sceptical about any claims that cannot be proven scientifically; and even then, I always leave a door open for a reasonable doubt. Actually, for more than two weeks I have been asking more questions that making statements regarding the chemtrails. And obviously, at this point I still don’t have a definite proof that the “trails” are actually chemtrails. However, if you look at my post from the 20th of March on the “UK Chemtrails” thread (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12128&page=133) I witnessed something for which I can’t find a natural explanation (maybe you can, in which case I would love to hear it).

To resume the current situation over West London: the chemtrails only appear at certain days and times, usually once or twice a week, and always involving a high number of planes flying in all directions in a span of 5 to 10 minutes (no other planes ever leave a trail after or before that time in the whole week). I also thought about different atmospheric condition, which could explain why it looks like they seem to be targeting different areas each day. But still, there is no scientific explanation for having every week a dozen planes leaving chemtrails at the same time, while the rest of the week the sky is crisp clear.

I’m really glad for you if you never witnessed any of these events, which probably means that they are not targeting your area. I also understand you point of view (which was mine just 2 weeks ago), but what I saw puts a lot of weight on the balance towards believing the chemtrails hypothesis, or at least a British version of the HAARP antennas; which would explain the chemtrails only over certain areas and at certain times –supposedly when they are irradiating the atmosphere-.

Either way, I don’t think anyone would get harmed for demanding an official investigation and obtain an explanation of the phenomenon. For which, it would help a lot if any of you signed this petition at Number10.gov.uk (http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Chemtrail-Sprays/).

[steevo]

I would say they could be made but whether they are is another question!!! this is the crux of the matter, not if they can be made but are they being used.

Logical fallacy? please explain.

Please answer "yes" or "no" for the FOURTH time in asking :-

Is there such a thing as "chemtrails" Marpat ?

You KNOW the answer is "yes" but you are trying to squirm out of answering it, cos you know that once you answer "yes", ALL of your arguments against chemtrails TOTALLY collapse.

Marpat, "YES" or "NO" ????????

[flyermay]

Please answer "yes" or "no" for the FOURTH time in asking :-

Is there such a thing as "chemtrails" Marpat ?

You KNOW the answer is "yes" but you are trying to squirm out of answering it, cos you know that once you answer "yes", ALL of your arguments against chemtrails TOTALLY collapse.

Marpat, "YES" or "NO" ????????

I really understand Marpat's concern, there is actually no tangible proof for the chemtrails; otherwise it would be a close matter (even with the government denial and the media blackout). The main problem with all this stuff is that it is too difficult to prove that there isn't any reasonable to doubt.

As I said, in my case, I doubted about the whole thing until I couldn't find any more reasonable explations to what I saw.

[steevo]

I really understand Marpat's concern, there is actually no tangible proof for the chemtrails; otherwise it would be a close matter (even with the government denial and the media blackout). The main problem with all this stuff is that it is too difficult to prove that there isn't any reasonable to doubt.

As I said, in my case, I doubted about the whole thing until I couldn't find any more reasonable explations to what I saw.

Marpat isnt concerned at all. He is just someone who is wasting our time. He is playing games. I have been through ALL OF THIS what is being discussed on this thread many many times with Marpat.

He already KNOWS chemtrails exist. We have spoken about it before.

[flyermay]

Marpat isnt concerned at all. He is just someone who is wasting our time. He is playing games. I have been through ALL OF THIS what is being discussed on this thread many many times with Marpat.

He already KNOWS chemtrails exist. We have spoken about it before.

Thanks for your advice ;)

He seemed so serious about nobody answering this question!!!

[banjoreality]

marpat drones on about proof when he can't even be fcked to pick up a Barium salt sample from his precious little garden, yup , that too is covered in the shit. You are just angry, subconsciously you're not stupid and you know you're breathing in the same shit as everybody....come on out marpy, go on you can do it! slowly does it...... that's right.... now look up at the sky....gently, now breath in......can u see em.......yea, I know just breath, it's ok.......

[anthony65]

marpat drones on about proof when he can't even be fcked to pick up a Barium salt sample from his precious little garden, yup , that too is covered in the shit. You are just angry, subconsciously you're not stupid and you know you're breathing in the same shit as everybody....come on out marpy, go on you can do it! slowly does it...... that's right.... now look up at the sky....gently, now breath in......can u see em.......yea, I know just breath, it's ok.......

The Marpat seal of disapproval is fine by me.

What are his views on other subjects?

He rates Aleister Crowley, whose motto was "Do what thou willst is the only law" or something similar. This means saying and doing anything that is in line with your personal desires, regardless of morality or truth.

Take his logic on the MOD report of the chemical and biological testing on the UK population from the 40's to the late 70's. Marpat likes to refer to "The Gurdian article", not the MOD report. He also dismisses it as old news from the Cold War, although the reason the last information is from 1979 is that Porton Down don't want to tell us what they've been up to since then. Marpat will argue that they were doing us a favour by spraying chemicals over oblivious populations. Marpat will tell us that we have no proof that they continued testing. Of course they continued, the Porton Down spokeswoman refused to comment on recent testing.

If they've done it before they'll do it again.

Marpat is for the war of terror in Iraq and Afghanistan.

He is consistently mainstream on a whole range of issues, despite all the evidence that shows we are being rules by a bunch of fascist, occult driven tyrants...

Marpat, the Crowley inspired occultist is the last of the British patriots, together with a handful of racists.

Britain is a beautiful country, or was.

The British people are generally tolerant, modest, decent, or they were...

Marpat waves the flag of the NWO. A fascist, occult driven development from the NAZI's who fled Germany at the end of the war, the Communists on the other side of the big game, and the globalist and occultists at the top of the pyramid, and their demonic masters.

[marpat]

The Marpat seal of disapproval is fine by me.

What are his views on other subjects?

He rates Aleister Crowley, whose motto was "Do what thou willst is the only law" or something similar. This means saying and doing anything that is in line with your personal desires, regardless of morality or truth.

Take his logic on the MOD report of the chemical and biological testing on the UK population from the 40's to the late 70's. Marpat likes to refer to "The Gurdian article", not the MOD report. He also dismisses it as old news from the Cold War, although the reason the last information is from 1979 is that Porton Down don't want to tell us what they've been up to since then. Marpat will argue that they were doing us a favour by spraying chemicals over oblivious populations. Marpat will tell us that we have no proof that they continued testing. Of course they continued, the Porton Down spokeswoman refused to comment on recent testing.

If they've done it before they'll do it again.

Marpat is for the war of terror in Iraq and Afghanistan.

He is consistently mainstream on a whole range of issues, despite all the evidence that shows we are being rules by a bunch of fascist, occult driven tyrants...

Marpat, the Crowley inspired occultist is the last of the British patriots, together with a handful of racists.

Britain is a beautiful country, or was.

The British people are generally tolerant, modest, decent, or they were...

Marpat waves the flag of the NWO. A fascist, occult driven development from the NAZI's who fled Germany at the end of the war, the Communists on the other side of the big game, and the globalist and occultists at the top of the pyramid, and their demonic masters.

If you want to criticise my interests then perhaps you should at least have an accurate idea of what you are talking about.

You are making false statements and accusations about me but that is fine. I know your type of person, the type who tries to demonise everybody who does not have the same cult belief structure as you do. All you are doing is building a wall of deceipt and falsehood around yourself to insulate yourself from reality, then condemn those who ask question rather than being blind believers.

You comment about Crowley is highly ignorant, which is typical for the forum. A bit of reseach into his work would have told you exactly what the correct phrase means, not your wrong version.

Do you read what I have written? I did say I am undecided until people can answer the questions I ask. You speak of nazis yet your mentality is suited to their way of thinking as you are not happy about people having their own opinions or asking question or refusing to believe as you do. You show the same sort of intolerance as they did.

If you have read my recent post you would have seen me quote directly that I am against those conflicts. It is clear that you have chosen to condemn me without even having a clue about my post or my thoughts. You cant even quote Crowley accurately. Thats almost like being unable to read.

[marpat]

marpat drones on about proof when he can't even be fcked to pick up a Barium salt sample from his precious little garden, yup , that too is covered in the shit. You are just angry, subconsciously you're not stupid and you know you're breathing in the same shit as everybody....come on out marpy, go on you can do it! slowly does it...... that's right.... now look up at the sky....gently, now breath in......can u see em.......yea, I know just breath, it's ok.......

Whatever. How much barium have you got from your garden and did you submit it as evidence of chemtrails?

I have asked many times if people are so convinced they are breathing such highly dangerous stuff in then why do they not wear industrial style respirators. Maybe you would look a bit crazy but would you not get the last laugh? I think the truth is that people talk all this crap but are unwilling to prove their convictions in the real world.

It is my belief that most people who believe these theories are people who have no real life, they have boring little lives and in order to feel part of something they take on conspiracy theories. This then makes them feel important, as if there is a global threat to their very being. They imagine threats in every place all directed at them. When questioned about their claims they get defensive and offensive, they cannot answer questions and have no real proof. Believers are then patted on the back for being 'awakened' while non-believers are treated with contempt. Ths sort of bahaviour exists in most cults, an 'us and them' situation where fanatical and blind belief makes you an insider. Even christians can find some sort of 'proof' for their beliefs although it is generally accepted that their religion is a construct.

[marpat]

Marpat isnt concerned at all. He is just someone who is wasting our time. He is playing games. I have been through ALL OF THIS what is being discussed on this thread many many times with Marpat.

He already KNOWS chemtrails exist. We have spoken about it before.

Again an evasion. I did say they could potentially exist but that does not mean that they actually do. You seem to prefer skipping over such points and going straight in for the condemnation.

The only things we have spoken about before are the same as now. The reason why we are going over them again is because you do not give answers.

[marpat]

Please answer "yes" or "no" for the FOURTH time in asking :-

Is there such a thing as "chemtrails" Marpat ?

You KNOW the answer is "yes" but you are trying to squirm out of answering it, cos you know that once you answer "yes", ALL of your arguments against chemtrails TOTALLY collapse.

Marpat, "YES" or "NO" ????????

Maybe. Are you telling me what I should think? you part of the thought police now or were you told that you believe in them?

How can a person answer yes or no without real proof? that is just ridiculous.

[anthony65]

If you want to criticise my interests then perhaps you should at least have an accurate idea of what you are talking about.

You are making false statements and accusations about me but that is fine. I know your type of person, the type who tries to demonise everybody who does not have the same cult belief structure as you do. All you are doing is building a wall of deceipt and falsehood around yourself to insulate yourself from reality, then condemn those who ask question rather than being blind believers.

You comment about Crowley is highly ignorant, which is typical for the forum. A bit of reseach into his work would have told you exactly what the correct phrase means, not your wrong version.

Do you read what I have written? I did say I am undecided until people can answer the questions I ask. You speak of nazis yet your mentality is suited to their way of thinking as you are not happy about people having their own opinions or asking question or refusing to believe as you do. You show the same sort of intolerance as they did.

If you have read my recent post you would have seen me quote directly that I am against those conflicts. It is clear that you have chosen to condemn me without even having a clue about my post or my thoughts. You cant even quote Crowley accurately. Thats almost like being unable to read.

You cant even quote Crowley accurately. Thats almost like being unable to read.

No it isn't. I wrote "or something similar" because I wasn't going to go and search for the exact quote.

It is clear that you have chosen to condemn me without even having a clue about my post or my thoughts.

I've read enough from you to get the impression that you ask questions...

But if you get answers, you ignore or ridicule them.

You wrote that nobody provides you with facts. Not true.

There have been numerous factual documents posted on the forum, but you dismiss them one after the other. You ask the same questions, get factual responses, ignore them and keep on going...

You speak of nazis yet your mentality is suited to their way of thinking as you are not happy about people having their own opinions or asking question or refusing to believe as you do. You show the same sort of intolerance as they did.

No. My mentality is not suited to the Nazis and I completely accept that others will have their own opinions. You compare my intolerance to the Nazi's? You must be fucking joking! This is a bullshit comparison. You know what the Nazi's did? You are aware of what the modern day Nazis like Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld etc have done in the past few years. What bollocks to compare my posts to these twats.

You are making false statements and accusations about me but that is fine. I know your type of person, the type who tries to demonise everybody who does not have the same cult belief structure as you do. All you are doing is building a wall of deceipt and falsehood around yourself to insulate yourself from reality, then condemn those who ask question rather than being blind believers.

Tell me what was false and we can discuss. I don't "demonize" anything, but I do believe that there are many people in positions of influence who have let themselves be led and inspired by demons, including the globalists, satanists etc.

I have no cult belief structure. There is no wall of deceipt and falsehood around me.

I don't condemn you because of your questions. I get pissed off at you because you refuse to acknowledge the answers you are given.

I don't condem you for anything.

You go the path you want.

I will go mine.

Apparently in very different directions...

[anthony65]

Dear marpat and fuzzy logic, here is a list of things that you can't prove so you logically don't believe them:

-alien grays, reptilians, blood lines, schwarrzi being a nazi, the illuminati, the nazi tibetan connection, the german vrill crafts, hollow earth and last but not least, chemtrails.

If you only believe in pure scientific explanations, what the fuck are you doing posting here?

NOW BACK TO THE ORIGINAL THREAD: HOW ARE THE CHEMTRAILS IN YOUR NEIGHBOURHOOD KIDS ? REDUCING?

If you want to know the answer to many of these questions! :D

Has anybody read the following books:

The Rise of the Fourth Reich: The Secret Societies That Threaten to Take Over America

http://www.amazon.com/Rise-Fourth-Re.../dp/0061245585

Reich Of The Black Sun: Nazi Secret Weapons & The Cold War Allied Legend

http://www.amazon.com/Reich-Black-Su...9021491&sr=1-1

I've just read these two books and they are amazing!

The Nazi's used their ace in the hole of secret technology to ensure their survival in the post war age.

They did not give a flying fuck for the people of Germany, or for any others, only for their own skins and their own demonically inpired doctrines.

The first book by Jim Marrs focusses on support for the Nazi's from the west prior and during the war. It describes Operation Paperclip in great detail and also shows how Nazi's came to dominate NASA, CIA and other US institutions.

A prominent role was taken by the Bush family over several generations.

Marrs touches on secret Nazi technologies of incredible significance which are described in even more detail in the Reich of the Black Sun.

The core of the Nazi ideology was black, occult inspired, demonic.

They rejected the relativity theories of Einstein and encouraged scientific brainstorming that led to some failures but also a whole series of incredible inventions. German brilliance in science and logistics led to a race to discover their works as the war drew to a close.

The Reich of the Black Sun argues very persuasively that the Nazis won the race to build the atom bomb, and much more.

I'm still trying to digest the implications of these two books.

It means that everything you understood about WW2 and beyond might be turned on its head...

[anthony65]

I wouldn't put Fuzzy and Marpat in the same boat!

Fuzzy has a sense of humour (on his good days). :)

I've had similar debates to the Fuzzy ones with friends, family etc.

They don't want to know.

Maybe Fuzzy will acknoweldge some of the facts we've given him. I hope so.

But if he doesn't then that's his choice...

Marpat apparently has no sense of humour.

Prove me wrong Marpat?

[banjoreality]

definitely no sense of humour and quite full of himself, he revels the attention but yet he missed the point: we are not here to debate,but to inform on weather manipulation an eugenics.
Mr. marpat, has, as do most peanuts, an inferiority complex.

[truthseeker1980]

By arguing with the camoflage man/women we are playing straight into their plan, of disruption of a post which maybe getting too close to the truth.

It seems marine camoflage person only ever argues against everything on this forum, if we do a process of elimination on anyone else on here, probably even Fuzzy, most will have an interest in something else on this forum hence why they joined.

Military/marine camoflage person, doesn't. So the answer is already in their name, they are military camoflage, hidden in with us on the forum to disrupt everything.

Especially chemtrails it seems, you cant deny them, if you have eyes and a memory. How can something which never appeared in the sky as much in my childhood but somehow does now, almost daily be the same as contrails which i used to be fascinated by as a child, which i also still see, sometimes in the same patch of sky as a CHEMTRAIL.

We are expected to believe the they are contrails and its the atmospheric pressure/temperature causing them, if that was the case how the HELL do you get broken chemtrails, usually cutting off before going over another already sprayed one? The only way the condensation could stop forming is if the engines were turned off and the engines had enough time to cool down to not generate enough heat to pretispate a supposed contrail, by that time the plane would have crashed to the ground.

Definition of MARPAT
MARPAT (short for MARine PATtern) is a pixelated camouflage pattern in use by the United States Marine Corps, introduced with the Marine Corps Combat Utility Uniform (MCCUU), which replaced the Camouflage Utility Uniform.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARPAT

And to answer the question of the thread, yes this last week has seen a reduction in chemtrails, in my area also.

[anthony65]

By arguing with the camoflage man/women we are playing straight into their plan, of disruption of a post which maybe getting too close to the truth.

It seems marine camoflage person only ever argues against everything on this forum, if we do a process of elimination on anyone else on here, probably even Fuzzy, most will have an interest in something else on this forum hence why they joined.

Military/marine camoflage person, doesn't. So the answer is already in their name, they are military camoflage, hidden in with us on the forum to disrupt everything.

Especially chemtrails it seems, you cant deny them, if you have eyes and a memory. How can something which never appeared in the sky as much in my childhood but somehow does now, almost daily be the same as contrails which i used to be fascinated by as a child, which i also still see, sometimes in the same patch of sky as a CHEMTRAIL.

We are expected to believe the they are contrails and its the atmospheric pressure/temperature causing them, if that was the case how the HELL do you get broken chemtrails, usually cutting off before going over another already sprayed one? The only way the condensation could stop forming is if the engines were turned off and the engines had enough time to cool down to not generate enough heat to pretispate a supposed contrail, by that time the plane would have crashed to the ground.

Definition of MARPAT
MARPAT (short for MARine PATtern) is a pixelated camouflage pattern in use by the United States Marine Corps, introduced with the Marine Corps Combat Utility Uniform (MCCUU), which replaced the Camouflage Utility Uniform.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARPAT

And to answer the question of the thread, yes this last week has seen a reduction in chemtrails, in my area also.

It seems marine camoflage person only ever argues against everything on this forum,

That's my impression too...

Not exactly a truth seeker...

More like...

The Anti-Icke! :eek:

He even had an avatar with David as the messiah.... :cool:

[banjoreality]

whoooahh I knew he was disinfo but fuckme!!! thanks for the wiki link! I never gave him much attention but whoa!!!! MARPAT, marine eh??? what I said still sticks though he is a peanut, with an inferiority complex.....
AS I SAID MARPY OL'BOY WE ARE HERE TO I N F O R M ON CHEMTRAILS, WEATHER MANIPULATION AND EUGENICS. WE ARE NOT IN IT TO DEBATE.
Chemtrails here in spain come back to move the clouds away. Yucky yellow grey kinda sunny day again......

[anthony65]

whoooahh I knew he was disinfo but fuckme!!! thanks for the wiki link! I never gave him much attention but whoa!!!! MARPAT, marine eh??? what I said still sticks though he is a peanut, with an inferiority complex.....
AS I SAID MARPY OL'BOY WE ARE HERE TO I N F O R M ON CHEMTRAILS, WEATHER MANIPULATION AND EUGENICS. WE ARE NOT IN IT TO DEBATE.
Chemtrails here in spain come back to move the clouds away. Yucky yellow grey kinda sunny day again......

Beautiful day here in Southern Germany! :D

The satellite pics were showing loads of chemtrails over the UK this morning.

Didn't look good... :(

[banjoreality]

Come marpy, let's debate some more, why did you choose the name marpat?

[banjoreality]

IF YOU CHECK OUT SPAIN ON THE SAT.24.COM YOU WILL SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE, THEY ARE GOING IN FOR A FULL ON DROUGHT IN SOUTH OF SPAIN NOW, THEY HAVEN'T HAD RAIN IN AGES, AS FOR BCN, I'VE BEEN WATCHING THE TRAILS HERD THE CLOUDS (LIKE SHEEP!!! HAHA!) FOR THE LAST TWO DAYS, THEY HAVE KEPT THEM OFF LAND AND OVER THE MED.
PS: the reason for not wearing gas masks; we are above that, there are forces protecting us that we can hardly fathom and they are extremely positive.

love all:p

[marpat]

definitely no sense of humour and quite full of himself, he revels the attention but yet he missed the point: we are not here to debate,but to inform on weather manipulation an eugenics.
Mr. marpat, has, as do most peanuts, an inferiority complex.

ROFL, I think you get the best joke award. Its hard being down here at the bottom, below all you people of vast scientifically unproven knowledge, who need to get personal rather than proving their claims.

I think you hit the nail on the head here though. You say WE ARE NOT HERE TO DEBATE.

[marpat]

Come marpy, let's debate some more, why did you choose the name marpat?

Because I like the colour.

[marpat]

It seems marine camoflage person only ever argues against everything on this forum,

That's my impression too...

Not exactly a truth seeker...

More like...

The Anti-Icke! :eek:

He even had an avatar with David as the messiah.... :cool:

Perhaps you should cry about it

Being a truth seeker means you have not found it, which is pretty obvious.

[anthony65]

Perhaps you should cry about it

Being a truth seeker means you have not found it, which is pretty obvious.

Of course.

The truth is out there somewhere and we stumble on towards it.

I keep on looking and learning...

It's a long road...

[marpat]

Of course.

The truth is out there somewhere and we stumble on towards it.

I keep on looking and learning...

It's a long road...

So if you are stumbling towards it then you cannot claim to know what it is can you? in this respect how can you claim to know about persistent contrails if you are stumbling towards the truth? what if you get there and find that your ideas are wrong?

[marpat]

I don't condemn you because of your questions. I get pissed off at you because you refuse to acknowledge the answers you are given.

I don't condem you for anything.

You go the path you want.

I will go mine.

Apparently in very different directions...

Well the reason I dont agree with what is being said is because the information is not without question. Example, look at the vid what claims there is barium in water sources. People assume it came from a chemtrail but there is nothing to support that. It could have been ground based contanimation but people just dont even bother to consider that. Cant you see these things?

By all means believe what you want, it is not my place to tell you what is right and wrong. I just question what is being said.

[flyermay]

You comment about Crowley is highly ignorant, which is typical for the forum.

Wow, it’s really wise and generous of you doing such a generalisation.

I think the truth is that people talk all this crap but are unwilling to prove their convictions in the real world.

I think is the complete opposite: it is much more easier to simply go with the flow and go against anyone who doubts what the mainstream media says; these are the one who really have no proof about anything, other than the news puppet banging their heads with the usual lies and brainwashing: telling them what to think, what to wear, what to eat, and how to live. The thinking has been already done for them, so that they can be docile, obedient and more productive at work.

It is my belief that most people who believe these theories are people who have no real life, they have boring little lives and in order to feel part of something they take on conspiracy theories. This then makes them feel important, as if there is a global threat to their very being. They imagine threats in every place all directed at them. When questioned about their claims they get defensive and offensive, they cannot answer questions and have no real proof. Believers are then patted on the back for being 'awakened' while non-believers are treated with contempt. Ths sort of bahaviour exists in most cults, an 'us and them' situation where fanatical and blind belief makes you an insider. Even christians can find some sort of 'proof' for their beliefs although it is generally accepted that their religion is a construct.

That truly is a conspiracy theory, I hope that know you can understand what it means to believe in something that others don’t agree with. Obviously, you are not providing any hard evidence to support your case, but it’s understandable, some things are really hard to prove, aren’t they?

Seriously, don’t be naïve: who is trying to get attention here? Look at yourself for a moment, you are trying to be the star going against the flow in a forum where almost everyone has already made up their minds and truly believe what they are challenging (whether they have proofs or not).

About conspiracies, you presume of being an intelligent person who has read a lot; then, how can you ignore that conspiracies have existed since the beginning of time. Didn’t you ever read about how Julius Cesar died? No… but maybe you heard about Lincoln or Kennedy? Let’s be realistic; conspiracies are a part of politics and of our society at large.

In terms of the chemtrails: thanks for choosing to avoid discussing the case I presented you yesterday, as this usually means that you have no arguments or explanation for it; nor are you interested in hearing any more about it (that’s simply called denial).

But to be fair, in case you missed it, here it is again:

I also had many doubts about the chemtrails until 2 weeks ago. In respect to these matters, I’m also quite sceptical about any claims that cannot be proven scientifically; and even then, I always leave a door open for a reasonable doubt. Actually, for more than two weeks I have been asking more questions that making statements regarding the chemtrails. And obviously, at this point I still don’t have a definite proof that the “trails” are actually chemtrails. However, if you look at my post from the 20th of March on the “UK Chemtrails” thread (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12128&page=133) I witnessed something for which I can’t find a natural explanation (maybe you can, in which case I would love to hear it).

To resume the current situation over West London: the chemtrails only appear at certain days and times, usually once or twice a week, and always involving a high number of planes flying in all directions in a span of 5 to 10 minutes (no other planes ever leave a trail after or before that time in the whole week). I also thought about different atmospheric condition, which could explain why it looks like they seem to be targeting different areas each day. But still, there is no scientific explanation for having every week a dozen planes leaving chemtrails at the same time, while the rest of the week the sky is crisp clear.

I’m really glad for you if you never witnessed any of these events, which probably means that they are not targeting your area. I also understand you point of view (which was mine just 2 weeks ago), but what I saw puts a lot of weight on the balance towards believing the chemtrails hypothesis, or at least a British version of the HAARP antennas; which would explain the chemtrails only over certain areas and at certain times –supposedly when they are irradiating the atmosphere-.

Either way, I don’t think anyone would get harmed for demanding an official investigation and obtain an explanation of the phenomenon. For which, it would help a lot if any of you signed this petition at Number10.gov.uk (http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Chemtrail-Sprays/).

[marpat]

I didnt miss your previous post. If you feel convinced by chemtrail theories then that is your right. I am not convinced.

To be fair there is a huge amount of ignorance in the forum with regard to Crowleys work. This is due to taking things at face value. If we told people to take 9/11 at face value then they would say that the truth is very different but people fail to look at Crowleys work with a sense of uncovering any truth. It doesnt help that he often wrote in manner designed to piss people off.

[flyermay]

To be fair there is a huge amount of ignorance in the forum with regard to Crowleys work. This is due to taking things at face value. If we told people to take 9/11 at face value then they would say that the truth is very different but people fail to look at Crowleys work with a sense of uncovering any truth. It doesnt help that he often wrote in manner designed to piss people off.

If you were only talking about Crowley, then I cannot comment on that subject. To be fair with your argument, I discovered that there are many twisted quotes around the net (i.e. the famous quote from Pike about misleading the blue degrees is false, that quote has been re-writen and unfairly exploited by anti-masons).

[flyermay]

I didnt miss your previous post. If you feel convinced by chemtrail theories then that is your right. I am not convinced.

I though you ware looking for a proof that challenged your current believe about chemtrails. As I said, I was of your opinion 2 weeks ago, this event changed my mind (maybe you can explain it to me without involving chamtrails or HAARP antennas; I would really glad to hear your explanation).

[marpat]

I though you ware looking for a proof that challenged your current believe about chemtrails. As I said, I was of your opinion 2 weeks ago, this event changed my mind (maybe you can explain it to me without involving chamtrails or HAARP antennas; I would really glad to hear your explanation).

I had a quick look at your posts and wher you identify trail free zones. As the atmosphere is not perfectly uniform can we expect vapours to remain consistent through different parts? what about the effects of wind on vapours? if they are variable then you will get variable results.

Also, I would say that patterns are going to form as air lanes will cross at varying heights, which may give a visual impression of a pattern.

You mention one trail fading when other dont but that is no comparison, they could be at vastly different heights which in turn would affect air temperature at the very least.

I have been to met briefings and they give information as to the heights that persistent contrails will form as well as normal contrails. No suprise then that they are thousands of feet apart.

Personally I think the whole HAARP think is crap. People claiming it cause the earthquake in China, WTF!! they could not explain it though

[flyermay]

I had a quick look at your posts and wher you identify trail free zones. As the atmosphere is not perfectly uniform can we expect vapours to remain consistent through different parts? what about the effects of wind on vapours? if they are variable then you will get variable results.

Also, I would say that patterns are going to form as air lanes will cross at varying heights, which may give a visual impression of a pattern.

You mention one trail fading when other dont but that is no comparison, they could be at vastly different heights which in turn would affect air temperature at the very least.

I have been to met briefings and they give information as to the heights that persistent contrails will form as well as normal contrails. No suprise then that they are thousands of feet apart.

I agree with all of those explanations, that could perfectly explain what I saw. But what really convinced me was the syncronisation in time between all the planes that leave "trails".

You see, I would have never posted anything in these forum if we had random trails all along the day, or even along the week. However, at least here in London, every time you get to see a trail there are other dozen planes leaving trails at the same time. I'll explain, I never get to see any trails in West London, but once or twice a week, and for just those 5 to 10 minutes, dozens of planes cross the sky in all directions leaving huge contrails. Reasons why I suspect they are chemtrails. Therefore, so far I have found no explanation for this behaviour.

[banjoreality]

flywermay, marpat is a marine intel agent who comes here to stir shit up.

(short for MARine PATtern) is a pixelated camouflage pattern in use by the United States Marine Corps, introduced with the Marine Corps Combat Utility Uniform (MCCUU), which replaced the Camouflage Utility Uniform. The pattern is formed by a number of small rectangular pixels of color. In theory, it is a far more effective camouflage than standard uniform patterns because it mimics the dappled textures and rough boundaries found in natural settings. This is caused by how the human eye interacts with pixelated images. It is also known as the "digital pattern" or "digi-cammies" because of its micropattern (pixels) rather than the old macropattern (big blobs).

he is intel just stick him on your ignore list and move on........

PS marpat no civilian likes the color (they don't even know it exists) you are just another NWO stooooooooge.

[marpat]

I agree with all of those explanations, that could perfectly explain what I saw. But what really convinced me was the syncronisation in time between all the planes that leave "trails".

You see, I would have never posted anything in these forum if we had random trails all along the day, or even along the week. However, at least here in London, every time you get to see a trail there are other dozen planes leaving trails at the same time. I'll explain, I never get to see any trails in West London, but once or twice a week, and for just those 5 to 10 minutes, dozens of planes cross the sky in all directions leaving huge contrails. Reasons why I suspect they are chemtrails. Therefore, so far I have found no explanation for this behaviour.

But if these trails last for hours then why would there be any need to synchronise them? they could easily spread them apart by 5 minutes each and you would not notice but the overall effect would have been the same

What would make me take it seriously would be that if these theorists actually collected samples of barium from their gardens, etc and presented it as evidence. It would certainly be an environmental health problem and the health and safety executive would definitely need to be involved if there are dangerous substance being sprayed about. Vids on youtube claiming to do that dont cut the mustard for me, it is too easy to fake. If all this evidence is out there then why are people having so much trouble to actually collect it rather than relying on picstures and a few video clips. If a UFO came down near where you lived and bits were all over the place would you prefer to grab a piece of material as proof or just rely on pictures and videos taken by somebody else?

If chemtrails are spraying barium and other metals into our air then lets see somebody gather some together and make a legal challenge. Thats where is matters, out there, not in here.

[marpat]

:Dflywermay, marpat is a marine intel agent who comes here to stir shit up.

(short for MARine PATtern) is a pixelated camouflage pattern in use by the United States Marine Corps, introduced with the Marine Corps Combat Utility Uniform (MCCUU), which replaced the Camouflage Utility Uniform. The pattern is formed by a number of small rectangular pixels of color. In theory, it is a far more effective camouflage than standard uniform patterns because it mimics the dappled textures and rough boundaries found in natural settings. This is caused by how the human eye interacts with pixelated images. It is also known as the "digital pattern" or "digi-cammies" because of its micropattern (pixels) rather than the old macropattern (big blobs).

he is intel just stick him on your ignore list and move on........

PS marpat no civilian likes the color (they don't even know it exists) you are just another NWO stooooooooge.

Interesting but ridiculously wrong. :D:D

I am sure an intel agent would make things so obvious :D

No civilian knows that colour? what planet do you live on :D

[flyermay]

(marpat, please don't read this)

marpat is a marine intel agent

But, that's great, imagine how much information we can get out of him!!!

Even better, imagine that we convince him that the NWO exists and that they want to enslave us all (including him); we would have infiltrated agent no less than in the marine intelligence. That's like hitting the jackpot!!!

No seriously, if marpat is really an agent that would make this forum even more interested. And I guess that it also validates our concerns.

[flyermay]

But if these trails last for hours then why would there be any need to synchronise them? they could easily spread them apart by 5 minutes each and you would not notice but the overall effect would have been the same

Well, I don’t see it that way. Imagine that you want to fumigate a crops field, would you only 1 pass every now and then, or would you try to do it all in the less time possible?

What I’ve been observing is that they spray until the sky is fully covered in chemtrails on the area targeted (like in the picture below). Obviously, I don’t know for sure why they do it or how it works, but it is obvious for their behaviour that they use various planes at the same time to fully cover one area; leaving other free. So far I saw them targeting West London and the next week Southwest London. Shit they have just stated while I’m writing. Let me get some pictures and I’ll continue answering your post.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=2755

[flyermay]

You see what I mean, they sky has been clear all day, no trails at all. Suddenly, 8 planes cross the sky at the same time and leave 8 chemtrails that don't fade. Do you think that's normal?

What is even more interesting is that it usually happens at this time, near nightfall. In 3 weeks, I only saw it at another time yesterday noon; the rest of the days it is exactly before nightfall.

[flyermay]

What would make me take it seriously would be that if these theorists actually collected samples of barium from their gardens, etc and presented it as evidence. It would certainly be an environmental health problem and the health and safety executive would definitely need to be involved if there are dangerous substance being sprayed about. Vids on youtube claiming to do that dont cut the mustard for me, it is too easy to fake. If all this evidence is out there then why are people having so much trouble to actually collect it rather than relying on picstures and a few video clips. If a UFO came down near where you lived and bits were all over the place would you prefer to grab a piece of material as proof or just rely on pictures and videos taken by somebody else?


I saw a video where at least 2 samples were collected, both contained aluminium and barium in very high quantities (one of them with a 68% of barium). The problem is that the source of those elements is very difficult to be linked to the chemtrails; even though one sample was collected from the rain that fell just after spraying, and the other one by a witness that stated seeing the chemtrails expanding and coming down to the floor in a light mist. So, there are samples, but they don’t want to accept them as being from the chemtrails.


If chemtrails are spraying barium and other metals into our air then lets see somebody gather some together and make a legal challenge. Thats where is matters, out there, not in here.

That cannot happen until someone can find a way of linking the samples from the ground to the chemtrails from the planes, which as you can see is quite difficult.

[marpat]

I saw a video where at least 2 samples were collected, both contained aluminium and barium in very high quantities (one of them with a 68% of barium). The problem is that the source of those elements is very difficult to be linked to the chemtrails; even though one sample was collected from the rain that fell just after spraying, and the other one by a witness that stated seeing the chemtrails expanding and coming down to the floor in a light mist. So, there are samples, but they don’t want to accept them as being from the chemtrails.




That cannot happen until someone can find a way of linking the samples from the ground to the chemtrails from the planes, which as you can see is quite difficult.

But that is what I am saying. You saw a vid where sample were collected from the ground. I have seen the same vids and that was the first thing I questioned. I would think it far more likely that it was ground based contamination. It would have to be discounted from the very start at least. Also, the eye witness claims he say stuff but what if that was just dust or pollen or something? he has assumed that these particles came from the aircraft but if this were so we would be seeing these things all the time would we not? would we also not be walking around with a metallic taste in our mouths? if we leave magnets outside should they not be able to gather such metallic particles?

If these materials are part of the trails then it must be everywhere. If people collected it as evidence it may not prove chemtrails but it would start a line of questioning as to what the source was.

[marpat]

You see what I mean, they sky has been clear all day, no trails at all. Suddenly, 8 planes cross the sky at the same time and leave 8 chemtrails that don't fade. Do you think that's normal?

What is even more interesting is that it usually happens at this time, near nightfall. In 3 weeks, I only saw it at another time yesterday noon; the rest of the days it is exactly before nightfall.

I have seen radar screens in areas with lots of traffic so I would say the amount of traffic is normal. It is certainly not unusual.

Statistically speaking there will be times when there are no aircraft and other when clusters will occur.

[marpat]

Well, I don’t see it that way. Imagine that you want to fumigate a crops field, would you only 1 pass every now and then, or would you try to do it all in the less time possible?

What I’ve been observing is that they spray until the sky is fully covered in chemtrails on the area targeted (like in the picture below). Obviously, I don’t know for sure why they do it or how it works, but it is obvious for their behaviour that they use various planes at the same time to fully cover one area; leaving other free. So far I saw them targeting West London and the next week Southwest London. Shit they have just stated while I’m writing. Let me get some pictures and I’ll continue answering your post.



But crop spraying planes do not spray all at the same time, they have to sweep up and down the area. They also deliver at low level and the pesticides do not linger in the air for hours. So why do chemtrail linger for hours if they contain all sorts of crap but crop dusting sprays dont linger?

[realfake]

I have asked many times if people are so convinced they are breathing such highly dangerous stuff in then why do they not wear industrial style respirators. Maybe you would look a bit crazy but would you not get the last laugh? I think the truth is that people talk all this crap but are unwilling to prove their convictions in the real world.This point is irrefutable imo.

[flyermay]

But crop spraying planes do not spray all at the same time, they have to sweep up and down the area. They also deliver at low level and the pesticides do not linger in the air for hours. So why do chemtrail linger for hours if they contain all sorts of crap but crop dusting sprays dont linger?

Well... they linger in the air for hours because they were sprayed at high altitude, but you can see them fall down to the ground, and many times see a light mist over the sprayed area.

I think that the crops field example is still valid, if you had multiple planes to spray over the field you would probably do the same as I'm witnesing with the chemtrails. Obviously, if you did any perfect geometrical matrix people would suspect in the ground, reasons for having the chemtrails apparently disorganised.

But anyway, lets put another example: Imagine that you have a squadron of bombers, and you want you carpet bomb an area (you are military, so you know what I'm talking about :D). How would you do it: a bomber every few hours so that the bombing would last all day long, or an attack with multiple planes covering the whole area?

[flyermay]

Originally Posted by marpat View Post
I have asked many times if people are so convinced they are breathing such highly dangerous stuff in then why do they not wear industrial style respirators. Maybe you would look a bit crazy but would you not get the last laugh? I think the truth is that people talk all this crap but are unwilling to prove their convictions in the real world.

This point is irrefutable imo.

You may think I'm joking or exagerating, but 2 of they days the chemtrails were closer to my home I ended up having chest pains. I'm absolutely serious; whether it is my imagination or my smoking is another matter, but I don't feel those pains during the rest of the day.

Hopefuly I don't need a mask, as closing the windows seem to work for me.

[realfake]

You may think I'm joking or exagerating, but 2 of they days the chemtrails were closer to my home I ended up having chest pains. I'm absolutely serious; whether it is my imagination or my smoking is another matter, but I don't feel those pains during the rest of the day.

Hopefuly I don't need a mask, as closing the windows seem to work for me.I have no reason to suspect that you are on a wind up. The majority here seem to suffer from breathing difficulties, which they genuinely believe can be linked to chemtrail activity.

I haven't had any health problems thus far. But if I do and I identify the fallout from the sky as the cause, then i'll be walking round the streets with my cricket box covering my mouth and nose. :)

[banjoreality]

Marpat: You are a f'ckin marine intel operator, chemtrails exist and are proved, so you like the colour eh, bogusanus?

[anthony65]

I had a quick look at your posts and wher you identify trail free zones. As the atmosphere is not perfectly uniform can we expect vapours to remain consistent through different parts? what about the effects of wind on vapours? if they are variable then you will get variable results.

Also, I would say that patterns are going to form as air lanes will cross at varying heights, which may give a visual impression of a pattern.

You mention one trail fading when other dont but that is no comparison, they could be at vastly different heights which in turn would affect air temperature at the very least.

I have been to met briefings and they give information as to the heights that persistent contrails will form as well as normal contrails. No suprise then that they are thousands of feet apart.

Personally I think the whole HAARP think is crap. People claiming it cause the earthquake in China, WTF!! they could not explain it though

"Personally I think the whole HAARP think is crap."

The whole HAARP thing is crap?

This wasn't the opinion of the Russian Duma politicians who protested that HAARP was a threat to global peace..

RUSSIAN DUMA SEEKS HAARP BAN
Carried on the front page of Pravda, an article by Duma deputy Yuri Solomatin describes how the Russian Federation State Duma spent nearly a year considering the global threat posed by HAARP. Calling HAARP a “weapon,” Solomatin warns, “The operators of such a weapon are able to program floods, tornados storms and even earthquakes in any region of the planet. It is also possible to paralyze civil and military electronic surveillance systems, and even to affect the psyche of entire nations.”

The Russian government further alleges that “the scientifically incomprehensible apathy of entire peoples in the post-Soviet territories can be connected to testing by the USA of such geophysical weapons at low power.” Referring to the 1970 convention signed by the USA prohibiting atmospheric modification, the Russian parliament is seeking a global ban on all HAARP tests.

Inspired by Mr Marpat I created the following thread today...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60762

Marpat scoffs, for example, at manmade earthquakes, yet the UN took the threat so seriously they expressly prohibited this...

It probably won't interest you though Marpat.

Facts aren't your strongpoint...

[marpat]

Marpat: You are a f'ckin marine intel operator, chemtrails exist and are proved, so you like the colour eh, bogusanus?

You are truly hilarious. Interesting fact of the day: Marpat is the camo pattern used exclusively by the USMC. I am English though. Doesnt quite add up does it. :D

[marpat]

"Personally I think the whole HAARP think is crap."

The whole HAARP thing is crap?

This wasn't the opinion of the Russian Duma politicians who protested that HAARP was a threat to global peace..

RUSSIAN DUMA SEEKS HAARP BAN
Carried on the front page of Pravda, an article by Duma deputy Yuri Solomatin describes how the Russian Federation State Duma spent nearly a year considering the global threat posed by HAARP. Calling HAARP a “weapon,” Solomatin warns, “The operators of such a weapon are able to program floods, tornados storms and even earthquakes in any region of the planet. It is also possible to paralyze civil and military electronic surveillance systems, and even to affect the psyche of entire nations.”

The Russian government further alleges that “the scientifically incomprehensible apathy of entire peoples in the post-Soviet territories can be connected to testing by the USA of such geophysical weapons at low power.” Referring to the 1970 convention signed by the USA prohibiting atmospheric modification, the Russian parliament is seeking a global ban on all HAARP tests.

Inspired by Mr Marpat I created the following thread today...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60762

Marpat scoffs, for example, at manmade earthquakes, yet the UN took the threat so seriously they expressly prohibited this...

It probably won't interest you though Marpat.

Facts aren't your strongpoint...

I know man made earthquakes are possible. Huge bombs were used in WWII to cause such effects, just look under the Tallboy bomb. What I doubt is that HAARP causes earthquakes. If people can show me the science of how a radio transmitter can cause an earthquake then please indulge yourself. The only thing I scoff at are claim made that are never backed up with evidence or even science in msome cases. In the HAARP thread people were going on about the system as if they knew exactly what it could do but when I asked them how a transmitter worked or how radio waves could cayse the China earthquake it became an issue of personal attacks and rebukes, but NO answers. I think there is a bit of pattern forming, people who will believe anything then get aggressive when people question their beliefs.

Glad I am your inspiration.

[marpat]

I have no reason to suspect that you are on a wind up. The majority here seem to suffer from breathing difficulties, which they genuinely believe can be linked to chemtrail activity.

I haven't had any health problems thus far. But if I do and I identify the fallout from the sky as the cause, then i'll be walking round the streets with my cricket box covering my mouth and nose. :)

It sort of reminds me of when Woody opens Buzz Lightyears space helmet and he starts gasping for breath :D:D:D

[banjoreality]

You are truly hilarious. Interesting fact of the day: Marpat is the camo pattern used exclusively by the USMC. I am English though. Doesnt quite add up does it. :D

So there are no UK marine intels working on the net then???
And if you weren't you wouldn't bother debating, you would just move on and ignore me...

of course it adds up, as i said, no civilian in his right mind knows about Marpat unless you're one of those military freakos that collect medals and grenades.
Your a phoney, a shill, a pathetic little pawn. The fact that you are so keen to argue like a right little nerd, I've checked your posts..... you only contradict (quiet patheticaly) certain key issues and you are at you most vehement debating chemtrails, you basicaly spend a huge amount of energy DENYING and trying do DISINFORM.
PS your new avatar is not even thought provoking, it just says it all: I'm fake.
TO ALL REAL TRUTHERS: NO F@CKIN CHEMTRAILS IN BARCELONA!! JUST RAIN BEAUTIFUL RAIN.

[flyermay]

For those of you who still think that the chemtrails are just "engine vapour" (marpat and company) please read bellow and have a look at the picture (it's from the Southwest London today).

Please notice, and differenciate, at the bottom of the picuture, the real clouds from the mist that form from the chemtrails. As you can see the mist is slightly horizontally layered, while the real coulds are just... simple clouds (cumulus I think). I assure you that just before the spraying, that area was as blue as at the top of the picture (and actually you can see where the mist ends and where the blue sky begins).

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=3157

[marpat]

So there are no UK marine intels working on the net then???
And if you weren't you wouldn't bother debating, you would just move on and ignore me...

of course it adds up, as i said, no civilian in his right mind knows about Marpat unless you're one of those military freakos that collect medals and grenades.
Your a phoney, a shill, a pathetic little pawn. The fact that you are so keen to argue like a right little nerd, I've checked your posts..... you only contradict (quiet patheticaly) certain key issues and you are at you most vehement debating chemtrails, you basicaly spend a huge amount of energy DENYING and trying do DISINFORM.
PS your new avatar is not even thought provoking, it just says it all: I'm fake.
TO ALL REAL TRUTHERS: NO F@CKIN CHEMTRAILS IN BARCELONA!! JUST RAIN BEAUTIFUL RAIN.

Yawn

Read my posts. I just ask questions but if people cant answer then then get aggressive and defensive I have to take it that they dont know the truth themselves and are just speculating.

It must inflate your ego no end to think the military would send people into the forum. Its pretty sad really that you need to construct such an illusion to make you feel that you are onto something

[marpat]

For those of you who still think that the chemtrails are just "engine vapour" (marpat and company) please read bellow and have a look at the picture (it's from the Southwest London today).

Please notice, and differenciate, at the bottom of the picuture, the real clouds from the mist that form from the chemtrails. As you can see the mist is slightly horizontally layered, while the real coulds are just... simple clouds (cumulus I think). I assure you that just before the spraying, that area was as blue as at the top of the picture (and actually you can see where the mist ends and where the blue sky begins).

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=3157

Why should I put any faith into how a trail persists? I watched a plane the other day and there was no trail of any type at all!!!! maybe that means contrails are chemtrails that do not persist!!!!

[flyermay]

Why should I put any faith into how a trail persists? I watched a plane the other day and there was no trail of any type at all!!!! maybe that means contrails are chemtrails that do not persist!!!!

I think you are looking at the wrong part of the picture. It's not the chemtrails in the middle I'm talking about, it is the mist that surrounds them, which was simply clear blue sky just minutes before the spraying started.

I have to admit that today was an exceptional day, and this is the result 2 hours after (again, don't look at the chemtrail, look at the mist that formed around it from previous chemtrails and compare it with the regular clouds at the back).

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=3159

[oiram]

AP Newsbreak: Obama looks at climate engineering
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D97ECHLG1&show_article=1

I smell the rat & follow the money, money, money!

What are they hiding?

[marpat]

I think you are looking at the wrong part of the picture. It's not the chemtrails in the middle I'm talking about, it is the mist that surrounds them, which was simply clear blue sky just minutes before the spraying started.

I have to admit that today was an exceptional day, and this is the result 2 hours after (again, don't look at the chemtrail, look at the mist that formed around it from previous chemtrails and compare it with the regular clouds at the back).

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=3159

But we can look at the mist and it proves nothing. All you are doing is observing a pattern but unless you know what that represents it means nothing. Why do people assume that 'spraying' would form any sort of cloud or mist anyway, or one that would persist? if heavy particles are 'sprayed' then why or how would they remain in the air. They would fall like any other object.

People seem to assume that all you see are contrails and chemtrails but I have seen aircraft leave no trails whatsoever. From this I would have to say it depends on many atmospheric conditions and unless you know what they are like at any particular time, altitude and location then all you are doing is guessing. I have been to met briefs where the height of persistent contrails was also given, which incidently tend to be a few thousand feet about the height where non-persistent contrails appear. If people who have such training and background accept this then why should people who have no background in such fields act as if they know more?

This is where you get into the area of people believing they know secret knowledge and that others just know what they are told. Its a fantastic way for people to believe they are intelligent and knowledgable without ever having to put their minds to any real test, which are often dismissed as irrelevant.

[polestar]

its a full moon tonight in U.K and the chemtrails are all over the place being illuminated from the moon. I'm not really convinced about what they are but it doesn't look right.

I have seen the planes leave contrails and some without at the same time in the sky,its rather odd how some dissapear and some loom in the air for hours on end.How bizarre!!

[steevo]

There were absolutely bloody LOADS of chemtrails this evening :mad: (I will post pics later or maybe tomorrow).

More of my leaflets will go out very shortly to help inform the public

[flyermay]

But we can look at the mist and it proves nothing. All you are doing is observing a pattern but unless you know what that represents it means nothing.

Well… I guess that you read the description while looking at the pictures; the mist came from the chemtrails. Really, doesn’t it look odd to you? Do you think that it would be healthy breathing that stuff?

On the other side: what is to prove, that planes left chemtrails for the 2 previous hours before that pictures; that the chemtrails expanded, came down and formed the mist; or maybe you think I’m not telling the truth?

Why do people assume that 'spraying' would form any sort of cloud or mist anyway, or one that would persist?

I really don’t know that people believe, all I know is that I believe it because I witnessed it for the past 3 weeks (including the last 5 days in a row). Don’t you think that’s enough for a correct assumption?

Planes fly from all directions at the same time; planes leave chemtrails; chemtrails expand and fall down slowly; a mist is formed from the falling chemtrails; the sky looks odd afterwards. What the hell am I supposed to think?

if heavy particles are 'sprayed' then why or how would they remain in the air. They would fall like any other object.

Why are you so sure that they are heavy particles? Would heavy particles form a vapour-like trail? Don’t you think it would be a better assumption to think it is gas, molecules or monatomic elements?

Either way, do you have any idea how long would it take for simple dust (which is heavier than any of the forms I described above) to fall down from that altitude? Exactly: hours.

People seem to assume that all you see are contrails and chemtrails but I have seen aircraft leave no trails whatsoever. From this I would have to say it depends on many atmospheric conditions and unless you know what they are like at any particular time, altitude and location then all you are doing is guessing. I have been to met briefs where the height of persistent contrails was also given, which incidently tend to be a few thousand feet about the height where non-persistent contrails appear. If people who have such training and background accept this then why should people who have no background in such fields act as if they know more?

But no one said that atmospheric conditions (humidity, temperature and pressure) and altitude didn't influence, I'm well aware of it. And actually, I can't see how that makes you argument valid. What makes you think that all planes have to carry chemicals in the first place (why does it have to be all or none)? And even if they did, isn't it easy to think that: some planes are not spraying, or they have run out of chemicals, or they simply turned it off?

Your argument makes no sense at all. The fact is that there are lots of planes flying at the same time, leaving chemtrails, that expand and fall slowly to earth; independently of atmospheric conditions or altitude.

This is where you get into the area of people believing they know secret knowledge and that others just know what they are told. Its a fantastic way for people to believe they are intelligent and knowledgable without ever having to put their minds to any real test, which are often dismissed as irrelevant.

I think it’s even simpler than that: the case is that the ones spraying (the governments) know that most people have so little confidence in their education that they can be abused in front of their own noses without even suspecting it (it has always been done throughout history). How do they do it? They spent a lot of their own people's money designing these projects so that we won't suspect. And if I tell you the truth I also didn’t saw it until 3 weeks ago (neither I believed others when they told me until I saw it with my own eyes).

But I’m sure you are not arguing because of the chemtrails; it’s probably something else: like having absolute confidence in your government, thinking that the people you elected will never harm you, having faith in that everything will be fine, and so on. Well for your information, governments do lie to people, governments do hide projects for people, and governments do harm their own people. But that’s another subject.

Either way, after this picture and this last rebate to your arguments, I simply desist. from my side, you can live in denial-land if you like, or do whatever you like with the info. I try to help as much as I can, but I also have a limit (and I'm getting paid for this).

[marpat]

My arguement makes no sense? then get something that will prove what you are saying. How about collecting some trace evidence if it is all over the place. Do you wear a respirator? if not why not? surely you would want to protect yourself and your family from such things.

All you are doing is basing a theory on a visual observation. You are seeing a pattern in the clouds and assuming it is to do with chemicals, which you have no real evidence of.

I still have seen no answers to the questions I put in this thread.

I think the government are wankers and i have no faith in them so what you claim is another assumption.

Heavy particles? isnt barium classed as heavy metal particles? I have seen people refer to it in such a manner in these threads.

[antinwo]

Oh Marpat you do bore me with the same old shite you post:D Round and round we go :D

[flyermay]

Oh Marpat you do bore me with the same old shite you post:D Round and round we go :D

That's exactly why I simply desist arguing with this guy, he always says that nobody answers his question, everyone kindly answers them, then he ignores everyone's arguments and ends up generalising, and starts again from the beginning: "nobody answers my questions, you're all bloody mad, I'm the only one lucid (though I've been brainwashed in the army)".

He is probably getting paid to do this, reason why he sticks around (like the chemtrails) even though he affirms not believing a word we say. What's the point of reading avidly every single message if you don't believe a word it's said?

[banjoreality]

back to the point..... chemtrail reduction here in barcelona, no chems for two days:) just rain beautiful rain....

[steevo]

There were absolutely bloody LOADS of chemtrails this evening :mad: (I will post pics later or maybe tomorrow).

More of my leaflets will go out very shortly to help inform the public

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=10&pictureid=3188

[antinwo]

That's exactly why I simply desist arguing with this guy, he always says that nobody answers his question, everyone kindly answers them, then he ignores everyone's arguments and ends up generalising, and starts again from the beginning: "nobody answers my questions, you're all bloody mad, I'm the only one lucid (though I've been brainwashed in the army)".

He is probably getting paid to do this, reason why he sticks around (like the chemtrails) even though he affirms not believing a word we say. What's the point of reading avidly every single message if you don't believe a word it's said?


Agreed:)

[marpat]

That's exactly why I simply desist arguing with this guy, he always says that nobody answers his question, everyone kindly answers them, then he ignores everyone's arguments and ends up generalising, and starts again from the beginning: "nobody answers my questions, you're all bloody mad, I'm the only one lucid (though I've been brainwashed in the army)".

He is probably getting paid to do this, reason why he sticks around (like the chemtrails) even though he affirms not believing a word we say. What's the point of reading avidly every single message if you don't believe a word it's said?

I wish I did get paid for this. What arguements have I ignored? what usually happens is that peoples answers usually lead to another question. If I go back to the beginning of anything it is because no good answers have been given.

I never said you were all mad although some of the accusations are making me think so, such as people calling me an intel agent or saying I get paid to be here. How can I possibly take people seriously about such a subject like this when as soon as I disagree I have people making silly accusations? if people make crass judgements about me for asking questions then I would think they would make stupid judgements about 'chemtrails'.

Lets get back to the issue though. People complain about breathing problems caused by spraying. My wife has asthma yet in recent years her asthma has become less of a problem? if spraying is increasing then why is she not suffering more? why are we all not suffering more?

Personally I think it is similar to when Woody opens Buzz Lightyears helmet and he starts gasping for breath. He reaction is according to his belief. I can just see it now, all these believers frothing at the mouth as soon as they see persistent contrails :D

[flyermay]

I wish I did get paid for this. What arguements have I ignored? what usually happens is that peoples answers usually lead to another question. If I go back to the beginning of anything it is because no good answers have been given.

So far, for what I read, everyone gave you good answers, including me. And those were more than enough for anyone to understand what a chemtrails are. Now, if you want the definite proof that chemtrails are not contrails, you need to find it for yourself; like all of us.

You misunderstood completely how this works; we don’t own you an explanation about anything we believe in. You can believe whatever you like, and if you disagree with us then good for you. I personally don’t care. I’m just posting this message so that you understand it. You now know that there is something called a “chemtrails” and that it might be unhealthy to breathe; now it’s your turn to find out what it is (at least you own that to yourself and your wife). My job is done, that’s all I can do for you; you have been made aware of the issue.

I never said you were all mad although some of the accusations are making me think so, such as people calling me an intel agent or saying I get paid to be here. How can I possibly take people seriously about such a subject like this when as soon as I disagree I have people making silly accusations? if people make crass judgements about me for asking questions then I would think they would make stupid judgements about 'chemtrails'.

Those claims about you are simply because you stick around all day around a discussing a subject you do not care about or have any interest in understanding. I can’t imagine myself doing it unless someone paid me to do it (reason why I always say: “probably getting paid”). You have also posted messages in other threads affirming that you are/were in the army and that you swore an auth to the crown. That’s reason enough for me to suspect of you, as your allegiances are clear to me.

Lets get back to the issue though. People complain about breathing problems caused by spraying. My wife has asthma yet in recent years her asthma has become less of a problem? if spraying is increasing then why is she not suffering more? why are we all not suffering more?

Well, your wife’s asthma makes very little difference to the case, for three reasons: you probably don’t live in an heavily targeted area, otherwise you would see with your own eyes the mist that forms and falls over your head after the chemtrails, and you would agree that it is far from normal planes’ exhaust; second, there is no prove that, and no one so far has ever related asthma with chemtrails, which is not to be confused with chest pains; and third, we don’t even know what the fuck they are spraying over us, reason why I ask everyone to sign the petition at number10.gov.uk and get an official explanation (even if they lie).

Personally I think it is similar to when Woody opens Buzz Lightyears helmet and he starts gasping for breath. He reaction is according to his belief. I can just see it now, all these believers frothing at the mouth as soon as they see persistent contrails :D

It could be, and so I said in a previous post. I don’t discard any possibility, unlike you.

By the way, that space-swastika looks perfect for you :D
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/image.php?u=12641&dateline=1239527356

[marpat]

So far, for what I read, everyone gave you good answers, including me. And those were more than enough for anyone to understand what a chemtrails are. Now, if you want the definite proof that chemtrails are not contrails, you need to find it for yourself; like all of us.

You misunderstood completely how this works; we don’t own you an explanation about anything we believe in. You can believe whatever you like, and if you disagree with us then good for you. I personally don’t care. I’m just posting this message so that you understand it. You now know that there is something called a “chemtrails” and that it might be unhealthy to breathe; now it’s your turn to find out what it is (at least you own that to yourself and your wife). My job is done, that’s all I can do for you; you have been made aware of the issue.



Those claims about you are simply because you stick around all day around a discussing a subject you do not care about or have any interest in understanding. I can’t imagine myself doing it unless someone paid me to do it (reason why I always say: “probably getting paid”). You have also posted messages in other threads affirming that you are/were in the army and that you swore an auth to the crown. That’s reason enough for me to suspect of you, as your allegiances are clear to me.



Well, your wife’s asthma makes very little difference to the case, for three reasons: you probably don’t live in an heavily targeted area, otherwise you would see with your own eyes the mist that forms and falls over your head after the chemtrails, and you would agree that it is far from normal planes’ exhaust; second, there is no prove that, and no one so far has ever related asthma with chemtrails, which is not to be confused with chest pains; and third, we don’t even know what the fuck they are spraying over us, reason why I ask everyone to sign the petition at number10.gov.uk and get an official explanation (even if they lie).



It could be, and so I said in a previous post. I don’t discard any possibility, unlike you.

By the way, that space-swastika looks perfect for you :D
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/image.php?u=12641&dateline=1239527356

Never said I was in the army.

There are people in the forum who link their breathing problems to chemtrails. Asthma is a breathing problem. If chemtrails affect a persons breath then an asthmatic would suffer.

Are you telling me that not every place is targetted? People are claiming that such trails exist over the sea and over vest empty palces like Afghanistan. Why would you spray empty areas and only some populated ones? it does not make sense. Why would they focus over places like London when all the big knobs live and work there? are they immune from these trails and if so, how?

I see you have taken the route of 'we dont need to explain anything'. I thought it would come to that. Like I said before I am willing to accept the idea if it was proven to be true. The standard of proof offered in here is very poor. Might be good enough for you but I think it is seriously lacking. I can even accept them as a possibility but this does not make them a probability.

[flyermay]

Never said I was in the army.

You might not be in the army –as you say-, but you surely sworn an auth; and not precisely to defend your people; that’s for sure, according to your own statements:

… I give a fuck considering that the people we have taken an oath to defend show nothing but hate and contempt. My opinion is beginning to slide towards the scale of I wouldnt give a fuck for people like you.


There are people in the forum who link their breathing problems to chemtrails. Asthma is a breathing problem. If chemtrails affect a persons breath then an asthmatic would suffer.

And that’s your professional opinion? Fine doctor, maybe you may like to know that medicine has evolved a lot and that there are hundreds (maybe thousands) of repiratory affections that are not related nor interfere with asthma.

You see, that’s your main problem; you focus on just one possibility and forget about the fact that nobody really knows what it is they spray over us. Forget about what people says; come up with your own conclusions based on your own observations (but with an open mind).

Are you telling me that not every place is targetted? People are claiming that such trails exist over the sea and over vest empty palces like Afghanistan. Why would you spray empty areas and only some populated ones? it does not make sense. Why would they focus over places like London when all the big knobs live and work there? are they immune from these trails and if so, how?

I’m telling you, that what I saw is not simple engine exhaust. And if you don’t agree that normal exhaust wouldn’t form a mist that falls down over the city, then you probably never saw it first hand as I did.

Now, I don’t know what the chemtrails are, and I don’t know why they do it, but I keep an open mind and I’m open to any explanation. If that explanation fits my observations and experience with chemtrails I accept it is more than a possibility and regard it as a probability. If the explanation doesn’t fit my observations and experience, they I ask and find for reasons why that claim was made and if it could be wrong.

Just ask yourself this question: do dozens of planes suddenly crossing the sky in all directions and leaving chemtrails (while the rest of the day the sky is clear), form an artificial mist that falls to the city, doesn't sound suspicious to you? Not even a bit odd? But then you find it ridiculous that we don’t think they are normal trails? How can you claim that you are being realistic?

I see you have taken the route of 'we dont need to explain anything'. I thought it would come to that. Like I said before I am willing to accept the idea if it was proven to be true. The standard of proof offered in here is very poor. Might be good enough for you but I think it is seriously lacking. I can even accept them as a possibility but this does not make them a probability.

Well, how the hell you came to the conclusion that I have to explain you anything? You have to look for proves on your own, like everyone else, and stop relaying in third parties doing the research and the thinking for you.

You don’t want to do that? That’s fine, watch TV, they always tell the truth and they’re paid with your taxes to do so (I’m not).

By the way, what do you make of this:
President Barack Obama is considering a radical plan to tackle global warming by firing pollution particles into the stratosphere to deflect some of the sun’s heat.

Full article here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1168637/Obama-pollution-particles-stratosphere-deflect-suns-heat-desperate-bid-tackle-global-warming.html

[cafetimes1991]

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/April_2009/n1046741930_196676_4358.jpg

[steevo]

It's a beautiful sunny day here with blue skies. Only had one real instance of chemtrails here in the last month or more. Co-incided with my leafleting campaign.

[unusual_suspect]

It's a beautiful sunny day here with blue skies. Only had one real instance of chemtrails here in the last month or more. Co-incided with my leafleting campaign.

Really?

I've seen loads over the last month.

[steevo]

Really?

I've seen loads over the last month.

Yes honestly. No bullshit. I have had no chemtrails except that one instance that I mentioned on this thread a week of two ago where there were LOADS of them. Plus there was one other instance in a nearby city where the amount of chemtrails were like only 3 very small streaks in the sky.

It's been a very sunny month here.
I am gonna have to do some different leaflets cos my current ones dont apply anymore cos there are simply no chemtrails anymore here.

[unusual_suspect]

Yes honestly. No bullshit. I have had no chemtrails except that one instance that I mentioned on this thread a week of two ago where there were LOADS of them. Plus there was one other instance in a nearby city where the amount of chemtrails were like only 3 very small streaks in the sky.

It's been a very sunny month here.
I am gonna have to do some different leaflets cos my current ones dont apply anymore cos there are simply no chemtrails anymore here.

Where abouts are you if you don't mind me asking?

I have oved recently and I have been back and forth between Bucks and Gloucestershire for the last month. Gloucestershire is clearer than Buckinghamshire. But it's a sunny day here in the west, and I've still seen a few.

[steevo]

Where abouts are you if you don't mind me asking?

I have oved recently and I have been back and forth between Bucks and Gloucestershire for the last month. Gloucestershire is clearer than Buckinghamshire. But it's a sunny day here in the west, and I've still seen a few.

Somewhere in Yorkshire.

[unusual_suspect]

Somewhere in Yorkshire.

Are you in a buit up or rural area? I think you get them moer over cties and built up parts.

[steevo]

Are you in a buit up or rural area? I think you get them moer over cties and built up parts.

I'm in a built up area. Prior to this last month or so, we used to get LOADS of chemtrails. It was ALWAYS cloudy cos of them.

Yes I have noticed that in the more rural areas, they dont seem to have as many chemails.

[unusual_suspect]

I'm in a built up area. Prior to this last month or so, we used to get LOADS of chemtrails. It was ALWAYS cloudy cos of them.

Yes I have noticed that in the more rural areas, they dont seem to have as many chemails.

Do you think it means anything?

[steevo]

Do you think it means anything?

I have no idea. All I know is that we have had virtually no chemtrails during this very sunny month.

[unusual_suspect]

I have no idea. All I know is that we have had virtually no chemtrails during this very sunny month.

That's cool steevo :D

I'm going to have to go out in a minute, it's well sunny here. :)

[antinwo]

It has been gorgeous here all day in Teesside UK not a single chemtrail in sight and lovely clear blue sky and that makes a change:)

[unusual_suspect]

It has been gorgeous here all day in Teesside UK not a single chemtrail in sight and lovely clear blue sky and that makes a change:)

No chemtrails in these parts either :cool:

[antinwo]

They must be having a day off:D

[flyermay]

Did you ever saw the inside of a chemtrail plane?

Look at this, and notice the huge tanks on each side:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=313&pictureid=3424

It is authentic, extracted from an Italian documentary about the CIA-NSA chemtrailling projects.

You can watch the ducumentary here (obviosly, in Italian):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghoaomHQB2g&feature=related

[banjoreality]

nice one! what does the pilote feel?:mad: hope they can't fuckin sleep...

[anthony65]

After a couple of days of heavy rain, we also enjoyed beautifully blue skies and big fluffy white clouds here in Southern Germany. On Sunday there were plenty of planes around, and some trails were sticking in the distance, but the sky stayed blue for us!

And it was a deep blue!

Nice!

** Today has started well too! :)

[banjoreality]

same here been orgone izing..... the weather has been a beauty, cumulus galore...:)

[anthony65]

same here been orgone izing..... the weather has been a beauty, cumulus galore...:)

Saludos a Barcelona hermano! :)

I know how you feel! ;)

Doesn't it fill you with love for nature and hope for the future! :)

Knowing that the world doesn't have to be ugly.

We can contribute our little bit to restoring the skies to their natural beauty.

I'm so glad you got off your arse and did something!

So easy.

So effective.

So wonderful!

Gracias amigo! :)

[banjoreality]

GRACIAS A TI!!!!!!!:):):)
IT'S BEAUTIFUL, I spent the day up on the hill yesterday, charging all the quartz based stones with coins (new exp.), man I really can't believe it!!!!! no chems just beautiful cumulus clouds like giant flying mountains, it was a trip, I need no more proof, I AM BELIEVER!!! I COULDN'T LEAVE HER IF I TRIED!!!!!:p
peace, love and eternal harmony bro.

you know what I'll be doin today:cool:

PS check out the sat24 pics. you will see........

[anthony65]

GRACIAS A TI!!!!!!!:):):)
IT'S BEAUTIFUL, I spent the day up on the hill yesterday, charging all the quartz based stones with coins (new exp.), man I really can't believe it!!!!! no chems just beautiful cumulus clouds like giant flying mountains, it was a trip, I need no more proof, I AM BELIEVER!!! I COULDN'T LEAVE HER IF I TRIED!!!!!:p
peace, love and eternal harmony bro.

you know what I'll be doin today:cool:

PS check out the sat24 pics. you will see........

"peace, love and eternal harmony bro."

I feel the good vibes hermano ... :)

[griswald]

GRACIAS A TI!!!!!!!:):):)
IT'S BEAUTIFUL, I spent the day up on the hill yesterday, charging all the quartz based stones with coins ........

Please explain.......just for the record, clear skies here. and numerous trails as well:(

griswald

[banjoreality]

Please explain.......just for the record, clear skies here. and numerous trails as well:(

griswald

hi grizzy, I finally looked up orgonite (wilhelm reich's discovery) it's a simple mix of quartz, metals ie:copper brass alum. silver etc... it is held together by plastic resin, the metals charge the quartz and harmonize the orgone in the atmosphere (according to the doc reich orgone is the principal energy which everything is made of........ I used to be (last week) a great skeptic, tried it AND IT WORKS, it's a beautiful experience, chems don't stick and it has a great effect on cumulus clouds....... look it up, try it (it's dead EZ)....I AM NOT NUTS, AND I AM VERY FUCKIN SERIOUS.

LOVE

BanjoBoy

[unusual_suspect]

Just wanted to say, it's another chamtrail free day again in the forest! :)

However, I did always think that if they suddenly stopped for any great length of time I might start getting worried.

[banjoreality]

Just wanted to say, it's another chamtrail free day again in the forest! :)

However, I did always think that if they suddenly stopped for any great length of time I might start getting worried.

help em stop forever......look up orgonite, try it..... I use to be a skeptic, and now I know better....

[unusual_suspect]

help em stop forever......look up orgonite, try it..... I use to be a skeptic, and now I know better....

I have read about it and I must admit I am a skeptic. Is that stuff for real?

I have to damit that I did see pics of some orgonite mushrooms that someone had made and they looked pretty cool.

[banjoreality]

I have read about it and I must admit I am a skeptic. Is that stuff for real?

I have to damit that I did see pics of some orgonite mushrooms that someone had made and they looked pretty cool.
FOR REAL.
I swear to the almighty universe, may he strike me down if I lie......
I used to think (a week ago) that it was complete and utter hogwashing bullshit, after conversing with someone here, I decided to look up Wilhelm Reich and tried orgonite (made out of a plastic plate some copper coins and a piece of quartz), man I was FLUBBERGASTED!!! It was the most incredible experience I've EVER had (and I done lotsa different drugs man...).... The sky, wich was full of chemtrails at the time, went clear, then cloudy and after 20 min. there was a beautiful storm, it even HALED..... I have been using it for the last 4 days now: big cumulus cloud (haven't been any in three years here in barcelona!!!!), lovely weather and most important: THEY GAVE UP WITH THE FUCKING CHEMTRAILS!!!!!
Please give it a go, it's ez and fun, can't do any harm, right?
The orgone enrgy in the atmosphere, when dirty or negatively charged, just needs a tiny little pin prick push, it starts a natural chain reaction....and it's beautiful!!!!!!!!:)

[griswald]

hi grizzy, I finally looked up orgonite (wilhelm reich's discovery) it's a simple mix of quartz, metals ie:copper brass alum. silver etc... it is held together by plastic resin, the metals charge the quartz and harmonize the orgone in the atmosphere (according to the doc reich orgone is the principal energy which everything is made of........ I used to be (last week) a great skeptic, tried it AND IT WORKS, it's a beautiful experience, chems don't stick and it has a great effect on cumulus clouds....... look it up, try it (it's dead EZ)....I AM NOT NUTS, AND I AM VERY FUCKIN SERIOUS.

LOVE

BanjoBoy,

Must be synchronicity at work, I ordered orgonite about 2 weeks ago, and just got word today that the parcel has been re directed elsewhere. So I am getting a new lot sent today. I,ve no doubt that it works, thats why I want some.

griswald

[banjoreality]

,

Must be synchronicity at work, I ordered orgonite about 2 weeks ago, and just got word today that the parcel has been re directed elsewhere. So I am getting a new lot sent today. I,ve no doubt that it works, thats why I want some.

griswald
I love people like you:)

[anthony65]

hi grizzy, I finally looked up orgonite (wilhelm reich's discovery) it's a simple mix of quartz, metals ie:copper brass alum. silver etc... it is held together by plastic resin, the metals charge the quartz and harmonize the orgone in the atmosphere (according to the doc reich orgone is the principal energy which everything is made of........ I used to be (last week) a great skeptic, tried it AND IT WORKS, it's a beautiful experience, chems don't stick and it has a great effect on cumulus clouds....... look it up, try it (it's dead EZ)....I AM NOT NUTS, AND I AM VERY FUCKIN SERIOUS.

LOVE

BanjoBoy


Orgone was Wilhelm Reich's discovery.

** That is, he identified something that was already there. Just as the first person to identify an atom didn't invent it.

Orgonite was a term coined by Karl Weltz and later modified by Don Croft.

The simple Resin, metal shavings, crystal orgonite is Don Croft's orgonite:

Here are some explanations:

http://materiaetherica.com/tutorials/terminology.html

And here is lots more information:

http://www.whale.to/b/orgonite.html

and here:

http://www.whale.to/orgone.html

Warrior Matrix is an interesting site!

http://www.warriormatrix.com/

[anthony65]

I have read about it and I must admit I am a skeptic. Is that stuff for real?

I have to damit that I did see pics of some orgonite mushrooms that someone had made and they looked pretty cool.

Try it out and see what happens.... :)

To start with, get TBs (tower busters), muffin shaped pieces of orgonite. ** They don't bust anything by the way. They simply turn negative energy into positive energy.

Sounds too good to be true?

Banjo just found out that it isn't.

Get your TBs and take them to the biggest, ugliest TV tower, radio mast, Mobile phone tower you can find.

Note how the sky looks before you set off. Watch for any changes in the clouds, chemtrails as you get closer to the tower.

Basically the worse the energy beforehand the greater your chances of seeing something dramatic. If someone has already gifted the area / tower with orgonite then the reaction will be less impressive.

Banjo was fortunate enough to witness a dramatic improvement, but this also means that he has lots of work to gift the other towers (and once you start looking for them you'll be amazed how many there are!

Flyermay has been reporting good skies over parts of West and Central London where many towers have already been gifted.

A TB has a maximum range of about 100m. For a big tower you can use 6 or more TBs. For medium sized, 3 or 4 and for smaller ones one or 2 TBs.

There are also HHGs, which have bigger crystals and have a range up to 400m

Earth pipes, 30cm copper pipe 2/3 filled with orgonite can be banged into the earth. These are very recommended! Thex clear up underground DOR (dead orgone / negative energy).

Orgonite works best in water! But bury it in the ground (take a trowel with you), under bushes, in bushes, in cracks and crannies, under rocks, wherever you can find a place that it likely to remain undistrubed.

Ideally the orgonite could be located close to the tower, but I recommend varying the distances. Maybe keeping one piece of orgonite at the maximum distance to make it hard to find!

Try it out and see what happens!

It is a simple, peaceful and positive way of contributing to improving our planet.

Here is a thread with an article from the Telegraph: Orgonite used to combat wi-fi at Glastonbury: the spiritual heart of Britain!

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49804

Here are some explanations:

http://materiaetherica.com/tutorials/terminology.html

And here is lots more information:

http://www.whale.to/b/orgonite.html

and here:

http://www.whale.to/orgone.html

Warrior Matrix is an interesting site!

http://www.warriormatrix.com/

[anthony65]

,

Must be synchronicity at work, I ordered orgonite about 2 weeks ago, and just got word today that the parcel has been re directed elsewhere. So I am getting a new lot sent today. I,ve no doubt that it works, thats why I want some.

griswald

Excellent news!

There are some gifters in Ireland I believe, but they'll welcome the support!

And Ireland, as we all know, is a beautiful place with an incredible history and loads of important energy centres!

The parcel was redirected elsewhere? :rolleyes:

Good luck Griswald! :)

[steevo]

Still no chemtrails here, and the skies are blue and the sun is shining.

[anthony65]

Still no chemtrails here, and the skies are blue and the sun is shining.

And doesn't that make you feel good!

Chemtrails, fake Haarp clouds, white skies are a bummer...

Blue skies, fluffy white cumulus or natural rain clouds lift your spirits!

Enjoy Steevo!

No trails here today either! :)

[banjoreality]

HERE THEY COME! IT'S MEGA TEST TIME! I AM NOW AS WE SPEAK SPRAYING THEM BACK FROM MY BALCONY, WITH MY BANJOITE! (although I think I'll make the real stuff today) i'll keep ya posted.

[banjoreality]

fuckin ell!!! at least 50 of em......are they having trouble?:p

[anthony65]

fuckin ell!!! at least 50 of em......are they having trouble?:p

Plenty of planes here too...

Blue skies, with several patches of fake / Haarp / plasma clouds...

What do these clouds look like?

They look like yuk...

Some have the consistency of dirty bathwater...

Some look like soap suds...

Some look like wet sand with a wavy pattern...

The good news was that none of the trails were sticking today! :D

[banjoreality]

there must be quite a lot of ether warriors here in barcelona!!! thank god!!!
ORGONE 50- NWO 0.:)
THIS IS FOR REAL, WE ARE WINNING!!!!:)

[banjoreality]

IT was the same hear weird wispy pointy fake clouds, they sprayed like hell, I didn't give up the will power to perceive positively, Anthony, I

know this stuff probably makes some feel like GOD, but me.... it makes me feel humble (if you knew me you would know, I'm not) it makes

me feel at peace with the universe, it got scary here, at least 50 chems, I was sweating :o now the storm is coming, big, grey and full of

lightning..........

IT'S AMAZING, I don't know how I'll ever thank you for cleansing my perception so, I hope some day we meet in the flesh, soze I can kiss you:D

PS: oh shit fuck fuck shit shit jesu peazu, this shit works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THUNDER ahhhhahhhhahhhhahhhhhahhhhaaaaaaahhhaaaaahhhaaaa

THUNDER aahhhhahhhhahhhhahhhhhahhhhaaaaaaaahhhaaaaaahhhaaa a

[anthony65]

IT was the same hear weird wispy pointy fake clouds, they sprayed like hell, I didn't give up the will power to perceive positively, Anthony, I

know this stuff probably makes some feel like GOD, but me.... it makes me feel humble (if you knew me you would know, I'm not) it makes

me feel at peace with the universe, it got scary here, at least 50 chems, I was sweating :o now the storm is coming, big, grey and full of

lightning..........

IT'S AMAZING, I don't know how I'll ever thank you for cleansing my perception so, I hope some day we meet in the flesh, soze I can kiss you:D

I did buggar all banjo!

At most a little nudge.

Ken Adachi has some articles that will interest you!


Click the first link below and scroll down to Mind Over Chemtrails-Is It Possible?

** I do believe that amazing things are possible, especially when you are really moving with flow as you are right now. But can you keep up that intensity? Can you be in many places at once? Can you be there in the night?

You can't. But orgonite can!

Enjoy these magical moments banjo. This is a big part of your adventure!

And when you come down to earth a little, continue researching, planning, pouring, gifting, etc.

** With your artistic background you can make a great contribution!

** And your latin temperament is pretty much unique on the forum! :D

http://educate-yourself.org/ct/

http://educate-yourself.org/dc/orgoneadventuresindex.shtml

http://educate-yourself.org/dc/orgonegenindex.shtml

[banjoreality]

I did buggar all banjo!

At most a little nudge.

Ken Adachi has some articles that will interest you!


Click the first link below and scroll down to Mind Over Chemtrails-Is It Possible?

** I do believe that amazing things are possible, especially when you are really moving with flow as you are right now. But can you keep up that intensity? Can you be in many places at once? Can you be there in the night?

You can't. But orgonite can!

Enjoy these magical moments banjo. This is a big part of your adventure!

And when you come down to earth a little, continue researching, planning, pouring, gifting, etc.

** With your artistic background you can make a great contribution!

** And your latin temperament is pretty much unique on the forum! :D

http://educate-yourself.org/ct/

http://educate-yourself.org/dc/orgoneadventuresindex.shtml

http://educate-yourself.org/dc/orgonegenindex.shtml

A little nudgecan make a big man fall, I'm not thinking of going back down

to earth as for my latin temperament all I can say is ¡Olè! (even though i'm

british) cheers:)

[anthony65]

A little nudgecan make a big man fall, I'm not thinking of going back down

to earth as for my latin temperament all I can say is ¡Olè! (even though i'm

british) cheers:)

You're a Brit! :confused:

FFS!

My attempts to dredge up my old Spanish knowledge... :p

I wanted to make a Manuel reference when you wrote that you wnated to give me a kiss....

Oh Meeeeester Fawlty....

I love you Meeeeeester Fawlty...

** Did he ever say that? Or was it just the Chef that had the crush on Manuel?

You're more latin than the latins!

Are you from Wigan?

Ahhh no...

Latics... :o

[banjoreality]

HASTINGS originaly but I 've hardly ever lived in britain....I'm a mungrel;)

[anthony65]

HASTINGS originaly but I 've hardly ever lived in britain....I'm a mungrel;)

Cosmopolitan is the word!

** Your cumulus clouds in Catalunya could be a benefit from the recent mega orgonite gifting action in north and north west Spain!

2600 pieces of Don Croft orgonite (resin, metal shavings and crystals) were distributed and will hopefully ensure that Spain continues to get more rain than planned by the bad guys...

[banjoreality]

going out to get the stuff to make my own little cloudbuster (yes I know,resin, metal and quartz;))....... thanks for the educate yourself links....I did....I was particularly interested by the Mind over chemtrail articles....:cool:
VIvA LE QUANTUM!!!!:D

[steevo]

There are chemtrails here today.

There are quite alot of them, BUT they are quite alot thinner than the ones that we have had previously (maybe they are using smaller doses of chemicals in them ?), and alot of them are hardly visible with the naked eye cos of the bright sunshine behind them. With my sun glassess on I can see them. These chemtrails seem less effective BUT they MUST be part of SOMETHING that they are doing. Maybe they decided to reduce the size so that they look more like contrails. But they have to do much more of them if they want to block out the sun like they have been doing previously up here where I live.

[steevo]

No chemtrails here since the last post. It's been nice and sunny most of the day again. It's supposedly been the warmest April on record.

[tootrue]

No chemtrails here since the last post. It's been nice and sunny most of the day again. It's supposedly been the warmest April on record.

Yeah - the warmest April
But the sun was still struggling to appear through all the cloud (or what appeared to be clouds)

[steevo]

Still no chemtrails here. It is sunny right now here, but it's been cloudy with light rain for alot of the day. I wonder what them Illuminati b*stards are up to :confused::cool:

[steevo]

Well it's been VERY cloudy here for the past week or so, and when there is a break in the thick grey clouds, you can see LOTS AND LOTS of chemtrails behind the clouds. I have to say though, that it looks like they have changed the characteristics of the chemtrails, in that they are a little thinner than normal, they dont expand quite as big, this has meant (by the looks of it) that they have had to do MORE trails.

[anthony65]

Well it's been VERY cloudy here for the past week or so, and when there is a break in the thick grey clouds, you can see LOTS AND LOTS of chemtrails behind the clouds. I have to say though, that it looks like they have changed the characteristics of the chemtrails, in that they are a little thinner than normal, they dont expand quite as big, this has meant (by the looks of it) that they have had to do MORE trails.

Here in Germany I had the feeling recently that they were trying to prevent rain from falling.

This is known technology in Russia, for example, where it never rains on the May Day parade and also in China. They don't pretend that this isn't possible.

Has it been raining much in the UK recently or do you feel that they are trying to stop the rain?

** It did rain here yesterday evening. :)

[steevo]

Here in Germany I had the feeling recently that they were trying to prevent rain from falling.

This is known technology in Russia, for example, where it never rains on the May Day parade and also in China. They don't pretend that this isn't possible.

Has it been raining much in the UK recently or do you feel that they are trying to stop the rain?

** It did rain here yesterday evening. :)

It has been raining here.....sometimes.
But sometimes, I could swear it's gonna rain but it dont, and i must admit that the thought did cross my mind. But it's very hard to prove anything like that unless they admit to it (which like you say the have admitted to it in Russia and China ?)

[anthony65]

It has been raining here.....sometimes.
But sometimes, I could swear it's gonna rain but it dont, and i must admit that the thought did cross my mind. But it's very hard to prove anything like that unless they admit to it (which like you say the have admitted to it in Russia and China ?)

Russia...

http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2008-05/2008-05-09-voa22.cfm?CFID=186750197&CFTOKEN=89499879&jsessionid=8430c546eca25f130f50737b4d2464e7c772

"The Russian air force was ordered to make sure no clouds would rain on the Red Square parade. Military planes carried out the assignment before the event with cloud seeding that apparently succeeded. Skies were mostly sunny."

China....

http://en.beijing2008.cn/news/sports/headlines/others/n214170708.shtml

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-06-29-china-rain_x.htm

The idea is for the peasant gunners to work with meteorologists watching radar in the capital. Together, they will hunt pregnant rain clouds and pound them with rockets containing silver iodide. The hope is that any moisture will fall before the clouds can threaten the parade of athletes and lighting of the Olympic flame at the new National Stadium.


China began cloud-busting in 1958. Now "it is increasing every year," says Wang, who cites the drought plaguing northern China as the main reason to fire rain-inducing shells or soar into the skies in cloud-seeding airplanes.

The U.S. pioneered cloud-seeding in the 1940s and '50s, but the government has cooled on its effectiveness, leaving the field to specialist companies.

[guuna]

after a bit of a respite from them last week, they seem to be back with a vengence this week.