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deca
26-03-2009, 06:15 PM
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article5981291.ece

Metropolitan Police to investigate alleged MI5 complicity in torture
Nico Hines

The Metropolitan Police have been called in to investigate whether British spies were complicit in the torture of Binyam Mohamed.

Lawyers for the former Guantánamo Bay detainee claim that MI5 agents knew he was a victim of torture and the CIA’s “extraordinary rendition” programme.

Baroness Scotland, the Attorney-General, announced today in Parliament that detectives will investigate whether any MI5 complicity in Mr Mohamed’s treatment breached British law.

If the police investigation found sufficient evidence of a criminal act by one or more MI5 agents it is understood that they would be tried in a civilian court. The proceedings would be held in secret, however, with only the verdict published.
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Gordon Brown speaking from Brazil, said: “I have always made clear that when serious allegations are made they have got to be investigated.

“I have also been clear that this government does not tolerate or endorse torture.”

The Government has come under pressure to launch a full inquiry into the conduct of the British authorities since two judges revealed that they had been prevented from publishing key information relating to the case, which may have implicated the UK's intelligence services in a criminal act. It has been alleged that MI5 turned a blind eye to mistreatment and suggested lines of questioning that were passed on to foreign agents who used violent and illegal interrogation techniques.

Lady Scotland told the House of Lords today that a full police investigation would be carried out after she and the Director of Public Prosecutions, Keir Starmer, had reviewed a “substantial body of material” relating to the case, including the testimony of a MI5 officer identified only as Witness B.

"I have concluded that the appropriate course of action is to invite the Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police to commence an investigation into the allegations that have been made in relation to Binyam Mohamed,” she said.

"I have expressed to the Commissioner the hope that the investigation can be taken forward as expeditiously as possible given the seriousness and sensitivity of the issues involved.”

Zachary Katznelson, legal director of charity Reprieve, which represents Mr Mohamed, welcomed the decision to investigate but said he was concerned secret evidence would be excluded from the investigation.

“For this to be a proper inquiry the police have to be given access to all the information and that includes any secret information.

“Many of the documents related to Mr Mohamed’s treatment have been classified either in the US or the UK and unless the police have access to all of them they will only see one tiny piece of the picture.”

Mr Mohamed was arrested in Pakistan on suspicion of plotting to detonate a radioactive “dirty bomb” in the United States. In the course of seven years in US custody he claims he was tortured brutally in Morocco before being sent to Guantánamo Bay.

An MI5 officer had interviewed Mr Mohamed in prison in Pakistan in 2002 and supplied the CIA with further questions to ask him. But according to Whitehall sources, the Security Service was not told where he had been taken.

An Ethiopian national but a UK resident, Mr Mohamed finally returned to London last month. He was never charged with any crime.

Mr Mohamed’s claims were originally referred to Lady Scotland by Jacqui Smith, the Home Secretary, after they surfaced in a High Court case brought by his lawyers.

Two British judges released a damning ruling on Mr Mohamed's case last month. The judges complained that they could not release details of Mr Mohamed's alleged mistreatment and Britain's role in it, even though it was in the interests of justice, because the US had threatened to withdraw intelligence co-operation from Britain and this could put British lives at risk.

Lord Justice Thomas and Mr Justice Lloyd Jones added that the information they wanted to release - about 25 lines of text about Mr Mohamed's case, taken from official documents from American intelligence agencies - posed no threat to British or US security, but was potentially "embarrassing" as it did add to up to "an arguable case of torture or cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment", in contravention of national and international law.

grenadene
26-03-2009, 06:20 PM
I'd feel a lot better if it was being investigated by Miss Marple :(

deca
26-03-2009, 06:20 PM
Gordon Brown speaking from Brazil, said: “I have always made clear that when serious allegations are made they have got to be investigated.

“I have also been clear that this government does not tolerate or endorse torture.”

I will hold you to that and so will the other victims getting torture right now, not in some far away country but in the uk and other country's .
This torture is via direct energy mainly pulsed microwaves

gilly
26-03-2009, 06:21 PM
You could almost believe this investigation might be carried out authentically, if only it weren't for...

Gordon Brown speaking from Brazil, said: “I have always made clear that when serious allegations are made they have got to be investigated.

“I have also been clear that this government does not tolerate or endorse torture.”



*Edit* , Ha ha - simultaneous posting Deca ... we both picked up the same lies...I mean lines!

keithm
26-03-2009, 06:42 PM
I'd feel a lot better if it was being investigated by Miss Marple :(


Lt.columbo would be my choice.

gilly
26-03-2009, 06:46 PM
Morse for me - he's had dealings with Masons.

angelthecat
26-03-2009, 07:22 PM
if anyone really belives that a major figure in british intelligence or politics are going to be brought to justice by an inquiry led by british intellicence or politics then they or not awake! It is the people of the nations who must regain the power to deliver the justice or the battle for our freedom is, im afraid, lost!

grenadene
26-03-2009, 07:24 PM
It'll be another of those 'move along... nothing to see here' jobs. I seriously hope the whole can of worms is kicked over for everyone to see but if past investigations like the WMD farce are anything to go by all we'll get is another mysterious death and the Govt will get off scot free! (whoever scot was?)

whizzer
26-03-2009, 07:45 PM
Scot was the guy that didn't torture folk, lol:p

deca
26-03-2009, 07:54 PM
I sure the Metropolitan Police have learn t there lessons and will be good boys , they don`t want any more top brass woundring off to isolated mountains in stormy weather, or taking midnight swims or just blow there brains out.
I sure they hold a nice respectable inquiry give MI5 clean bill of health , not sure if they need more money this time ,think they were too embraced to ask for more the last time thay had inquiry about spicing things up arn`t they sweet.I sure the good old reassuring phrase will be used "lesson have been learned"

whiterain
26-03-2009, 09:28 PM
that reminds me i must get some fly spray in to take care of the t-rex in the back garden

pinkgrapefruit
26-03-2009, 11:21 PM
I looked at this same story in the Mail.

If the comments at the end of this story, are a measure of the British Public attitude toward Binyam Mohamed and his treatment, then it wont create too big a fuss if the investigation is dropped.

Here are some of the 37 comments; apart from the odd one or two the conscious level is about the same in them all.

This person is NOT British, he is an Ethiopian. Let his home country pay for any investigation. If any is deemed appropriate - which I don't care whether there is or is not.
- Patrick, Hedge End, Hampshire, 26/3/2009 16:13

He is not a Brit, just making a fool of the government and trying yo get compensation.
- Mike, Cyprus, 26/3/2009 15:52

What a waste of time and money.
- JJ, London, 26/3/2009 15:14

What a complete waste of resources- but something the Met is unfortunately good at.
- mike randall, worcester england, 26/3/2009 16:09

Carry on MI5. You have the majority of the country behind you. Catch the terrorists before they strike, and make them talk.
- P.Nobleza, London, 26/3/2009 16:29 :eek:


This is the one with a different view to the flock. Look at her negative rating of 108

brilliant it proves there is justice in britain and britain is truly democratic .A democratic country should never stay silent where there is torture
- Leyla, Beirut , lebanon, 26/3/2009 17:06

LINK (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1165038/Attorney-General-orders-unprecedented-Met-police-probe-Guantanamo-prisoners-allegations-torture-MI5.html)

deca
26-03-2009, 11:32 PM
You think they would too busy chasing AL CIAedia about than cover there asrse and write a load of properganda about themselfs!!!! but when you think about it could they cope if they were "real" I mean not under there control terrorist because of all the cracks in the dam of lies they have to keep from the public and only let then trickle out when it suits them.

wchen99
27-03-2009, 02:08 AM
I think the BBC are obsessed with Binyam. No one has answered what he was doing in Afghanistan (shopping perhaps...) but at the same time if he was a terrorist he'd be on trial or in prison now. The fact he's free means he can't be all that big a threat. The BBC and co just lap up his every word cos it allows them to hammer on about 'human rights' - the great topic we all love, yet no one knows much about.

deca
27-03-2009, 02:32 AM
human rights just help crooks what rights do we get

deca
28-03-2009, 06:22 AM
well we will see how this unfolds and gets reported
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/intelligence-services-reveal-concern-on-15-torture-cases-1656167.html

Intelligence services reveal concern on 15 'torture' cases

By Sadie Gray

Saturday, 28 March 2009

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MI5 and MI6 have uncovered at least 15 cases in which British intelligence officers may have been complicit in the torture of terrorist suspects, which could lead to further police investigations.

The two services reviewed their files after Scotland Yard announced last week it would investigate claims by former Guantanamo Bay detainee Binyam Mohamed that former MI5 officers were complicit in his interrogation and torture. Mr Mohamed alleges that an MI5 officer supplied detailed questions concerning acquaintances and locations in London to his interrogators when he was tortured at a secret prison in Morocco following his arrest in Pakistan in 2002.

The 15 new cases concern individuals believed to include British nationals who were questioned under US control by British officers looking for information on possible terrorist attacks in the UK. Most date from between 2002 and 2004, when large numbers of terrorist suspects had been captured in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Unlike the US agents, the British officers were told to work within the provisions of the Geneva Convention, it was reported. In some instances the British officers voiced concerns that suspects were being mistreated, but their fears were not followed up.

Most of the interrogations were conducted immediately after the September 11 attacks, sources told the Daily Telegraph, when officers were not prepared for either the heavy caseload or the approach of their American counterparts.

Announcing the investigation into Mr Mohamed's claims, the Attorney General Baroness Scotland said that she and the Director of Public Prosecutions, Keir Starmer, had reviewed a "substantial body of material" relating to the case, including testimony from an MI5 officer.

"I have concluded that the appropriate course of action is to invite the Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police to commence an investigation into the allegations that have been made in relation to Binyam Mohamed," she said.

Mr Mohamed's claims were referred to Lady Scotland last year by Home Secretary Jacqui Smith after they surfaced in a High Court case brought by his lawyers.

Ian2day
28-03-2009, 10:57 AM
This will just be a meeting between two bodies deciding how to split the stolen IP from survailance jobs. Pot and Kettle springs to mind here.