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One in six psychiatrists has tried to 'turn gays straight'
Therapists admit using harmful practices to 'cure' homosexuals despite evidence they do not work
By Jeremy Laurance, Health Editor
Thursday, 26 March 2009
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A study of psychiatrists and therapists found that 17 per cent said they had treated at least one client to alter their homosexual feelings (Picture: Posed by a model)
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A study of psychiatrists and therapists found that 17 per cent said they had treated at least one client to alter their homosexual feelings (Picture: Posed by a model)
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Psychotherapists are offering to help "cure" gays and lesbians of their homosexuality without any evidence that such treatment is beneficial or safe. One in six said they had tried to turn gays straight, or reduce their gay or lesbian feelings, even though the mainstream medical view is that this is impossible.
The idea that homosexuality can be cured has a long and dubious history and the disclosure that a significant minority of therapists and doctors still think it is possible is "worrying", Professor Michael King, of the University College Medical School, said. "Heaven knows what they do. We didn't attempt to ask them because there is no evidence that anything works. We didn't expect it to be happening at this rate and we are really rather concerned. It ought to stop. It is distressing and harmful and there is absolutely no evidence it works," he said.
A study of more than 1,400 psychiatrists and therapists in BMC Psychiatry found that 222 (17 per cent) said they had treated at least one client to alter their homosexual feelings at some point. The researchers expected the cases to be concentrated in the past, but the 400 to 500 cases recorded were distributed evenly across the decades. "It is happening up to the present moment," Professor King said. It might only be the "tip of the iceberg".
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Many therapists seemed uncomfortable with giving treatment, or admitting to it. When asked if they would attempt to change someone's sexual orientation if requested, only one in 25 (4 per cent) said they would – far fewer than the one in six who reported actually doing so. Pressure from clients demanding help because of bullying or discrimination or family pressures may have pushed the therapists into delivering it, the professor said.
The idea that homosexuality is an aberration from the norm which can be "corrected", rather than a natural state, was current for most of the last century. Everyone was thought to be basically heterosexual and homosexuality was regarded as a deviation from the norm, the result of "faulty learning" in childhood.
During the 1950s and 1960s, when belief in psychological behaviourism was at its height, aversion therapy was used to "cure" homosexuals. Male patients were given a slide show which included pictures of sexually attractive men and women and a lever that allowed them to change the slides. If they lingered too long over the pictures of the men, and did not move on swiftly enough to the pictures of the women, they received an electric shock. A variation of this treatment involved a drug that would make them vomit.
Aversion therapy, famously employed in Anthony Burgess's novel A Clockwork Orange to cure Alex, the leader of the Droogs gang, of his obsession with violence, was used up to the 1980s, but has since been discredited.
Other treatments included advice to masturbate to a homosexual fantasy and then switch to a heterosexual one near orgasm. Covert sensitisation was a method which required patients to counter homosexual thoughts with shameful fantasies of arrest by the police or discovery by their family. Hypnotherapy and psychoanalysis were also used.
Although not uncommon, these treatments never became mainstream in Britain. In the US, however, the idea that homosexuality can be cured retains wide support. There is an ex-gay movement, led by right-wing Christian groups, which promotes "reparative" therapy to return people to the heterosexual "norm". Supporters cite findings that depression is two to three times more common among young gay men as evidence that a homosexual orientation is itself harmful – rather than the responses of bullying and discrimination that it engenders.
Professor King, head of the psycho-sexual clinic at University College Hospital in London, said: "We do not have the same attitudes in Europe. But young people go on the internet, they see this stuff and they pop off to see a psychotherapist. If the therapist is not wise enough to say that this is a part of them and there is nothing pathological about it, they may get seduced into trying to change them. Instead, the therapist should be saying that it is very unfortunate they are being bullied and that they can try to help them come to terms with their situation and learn to cope with it."
Derek Munn, of the gay rights organisation Stonewall, said: "So-called gay cure therapies are wholly discredited. The conclusions of this research are a welcome reminder that what gay and lesbian people need is equal treatment by society, not misguided treatment by a minority of health professionals."
A patient's story: 'I got an electric shock if I looked at the man'
I think I always knew I was gay but there was, in the Sixties, an enormous social pressure on you not to be. I was a day pupil at a boarding school and there was some fairly broad-minded sexual play. Some people stayed there and some moved on to heterosexual activity – while your peer group and natural development is telling you that there is a very fuzzy edge, society is telling you that there is this very hard, black-and-white precipice. So, it becomes an area that you don't talk about with parents and people like that.
While I was a student back then, I had some successful heterosexual relationships. However, during that time I got involved in a strong relationship with a school friend which went on for a long time. When that broke up, it caused me a lot of anguish.
During my early twenties (the early 1970s), I became increasingly depressed and went to my GP. I ended up meeting one of the leading lights in treatments for homosexuality at the (local) university department of psychology. He used aversion therapy and an electric shock machine that was tied to the ankles and wrists. You then watched a number of slides, some [of men] which you find sexually attractive, some which [of women] were best identified as your heterosexual goal.
If you switch from the "gay" picture to the "heterosexual" picture then you don't get the electric shock. By today's standards, the pictures used were about as stimulating as a Reader's Digest. Each session lasted 30 or 40 minutes and I had about 30 sessions. In the fullness of time I got married and the sex thing... well, it never worked out.
My wife knows about these gay feelings. She tends to regard them as a threat in her own mind. It's still a very, very sensitive area. A few casual but long-term sexual friendships ensued with people who were – almost without exception – married.
My wife knows of these encounters and has tolerated them with increasing difficulty.
Increasingly I feel betrayed by the promises of treatment. After I left treatment where was the back up? My deepest feelings, the very structure of my being, had been torn apart in the name of science and left abandoned while the psychologists got on with building their own careers and lives.
the nine
26-03-2009, 04:41 AM
it surely has to do with your first sexual encounter, and the events and psychology surrounding, leading upto, during and after which determine our sexual preference and hold valid plus ingrained sexual traits..
it like trying to cure someone of a song they like in favour of another or some sweet in favour of another, only more emotional...
this is life shaping individuals,FFS!!!
maybe these 'psychiatrists' use similar methods for justifying fucking their wives/husbands when they wholeheartedly wish for someone else..all in the name of a just and 'balanced' society of coarse:D
armoured_amazon
26-03-2009, 04:45 AM
I'm trying to turn myself gay. :)
I am not sure how good conditioning or aversery therapy is on such a primal emotion as our sexual drive or self preservation think these would only be temperay at best.
Maybe some other ones like smoking,baiting nails, or other behavior probably , because we can replace it with something else?
what do we replace sex with?
self preservation can be attacked by making us believe feel life not worth living,better of dead or huge amount of guilt and humiliation
thelyran
26-03-2009, 06:27 AM
...Lou Reed used to go through that kind of aversion therapy,because his
strict jewish family.This is the time when he sang,in his band the Velvet Underground...he was a bisexual,amphetamine user and generally rebellious
character for that era...he dodged vietnam,by being medically unfit,with addictions and hepatitus.
He also endured ECT (Electro-convulsive therapy) as it caused memory loss
...hoping he lost the memory of man-love.All those songs,he did'nt get to write...should sue.
But check out the lyrics to Kill Your Sons,a song from the album,Sally Can't Dance...where he writes about the experiences of mental hospitals,fuck,
it's one of my faves...
"All you two-bit Psychiatrist,
are giving you electric shocks
They said we'd let you stay home
with mum and dad
Instead of mental hospitals
But everytime you tried to read the book
you could'nt get to page 17
Because you forgot where you were
So,you could'nt even read
...Don't you know they're gonna
Kill Your Sons....my father used to beat me for listening to that..."Stop listening to that Nazi shit"...bang.
"Dad,he's Jewish"...the hit was harder that time...the old bastard.
thelyran
26-03-2009, 06:29 AM
I am not sure how good conditioning or aversery therapy is on such a primal emotion as our sexual drive or self preservation think these would only be temperay at best.
Maybe some other ones like smoking,baiting nails, or other behavior probably , because we can replace it with something else?
what do we replace sex with?
self preservation can be attacked by making us believe feel life not worth living,better of dead or huge amount of guilt and humiliation
What did they replace sex with Deca?...back then,usually suicide...
saying that prozac kills your sex drive.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1565110.stm
Drug tackles Prozac libido loss
Loss of libido is a distressing side effect for people on antidepressants
Loss of libido is a distressing side effect for people on antidepressants
Patients on antidepressants who suffer a loss of libido could be offered hope with a treatment to combat the side effect.
At least a third of people who take the class of antidepressants, which includes Prozac, have problems with sexual arousal.
But now, a Reading-based company is developing a drug with Prozac's manufacturers, Eli Lilly, which could boost patients' sex drive.
The company, Vernalis, is developing a drug codenamed VML 670, which is thought to act on one of the receptors in the brain that reacts to serotonin.
It would be better if we had medication which didn't produce these side effects
Professor Allan Young, University of Newcastle
But the manufacturers say it could be up to five years before the drug is available to patients.
The work is featured in the magazine New Scientist.
Mood alteration
Serotonin is a chemical which influences mood in many different ways.
Prozac belongs to a group of antidepressants called SSRIs, selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitors, which increase the amount of serotonin available to act on receptors.
That helps tackle the depressive symptoms, but can also affect sexual arousal.
One the sexual side effects caused by antidepressants is anorgasmia - a difficulty in reaching orgasm. Patients can also simply lose interest in sex.
John Hutchison, senior vice president for development at Vernalis, told BBC News Online: "For the patients that develop new sexual problems while taking antidepressants, we would like this new drug to reverse these problems, and put them back to where they were before."
He said there were 15 subtypes of serotonin receptor, and it was hoped to affect the one which controlled sexual response.
"SSRIs will act indiscriminately across the whole 15, but we do know that one of the effects of SSRIs is they turn of this particular receptor. We're trying to turn it on again."
He added that Viagra had been considered as a solution to the side effect, but added that although it can increase blood flow, it does not change desire or arousal.
He said tests on rats had shown VML 670 increased the animals' sex drive.
Males mounted receptive females more quickly, and ejaculated more quickly.
Tests of VML 670 on healthy people have been completed safely. Studies are due to be carried out on people taking SSRIs.
But Mr Hutchison warned the drug would not raise the sex drive of people who were not taking antidepressants, and said they should not try it.
"Our healthy volunteers reported no difference in arousal. That's good news, because we don't want to alter normal sex drive," he said.
'Drawback'
Allan Young, professor of general psychiatry at the University of Newcastle, told BBC News Online: "It would be better if we had medication which didn't produce these side effects."
"The sexual-side effects of antidepressants do represent a significant draw-back of these treatments for many people.
"Depression is a common illness and SSRI antidepressants are widely used and should be taken for prolonged periods.
"Development of new treatments to reduce the side effect burden and therefore increase compliance are to be welcomed.
"The proposed drug seems to be likely to help, but the proof will be shown in clinical trials."
I remember when I was in the nut house there was a young woman around 20 she came back from Ibiza out there for 6 months or more (partying;) , when she got back her parents thought she lost the plot, Think she was just on a come down and needed time to adjust , But the psychiatrists slap her on some disorder locked her up for a bit and got her on Prozac she ended putting on weight and when she finally got a weekend pass she came back and you can see the tension between her and her boyfriend , I don`t think her relationship lasted. Bastards don`t cure anybody.
That reminds me they banned smoking and was getting people to go of ward to smoke, So people started smoking at the door, The idiots complain and never put an astray there said people would have to go of the grounds even thou it was next to a car park???? they said they would fine anyone? until somebody pointed out go on then we are classed as mental ill take us to court? they realized they were on a loser sometimes the people in the nut house are not that silly:)
thelyran
26-03-2009, 07:03 AM
saying that prozac kills your sex drive.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1565110.stm
I remember when I was in the nut house there was a young woman around 20 she came back from Ibiza out there for 6 months or more (partying;) , when she got back her parents thought she lost the plot, Think she was just on a come down and needed time to adjust , But the psychiatrists slap her on some disorder looked her up for a bit and got her on Prozac she ended putting on weight and when she finally got a weekend pass she came back and you can see the tension between her and her boyfriend , I don`t think her relationship lasted. Bastards don`t cure anybody.
...Prozac,coupled with cleaning up from a big party...she's lucky to be alive,poor thing.I got set-up twice,2000 and 2002,thrown in Maitland Psyche-ward.Twice,the nurses wanted to throw me out,because there was nothing wrong with me,the second time,the female patients tried to rape me...that was fun.
In fact,the second stay,I had 2 nurses believing me about occultist and psychic attack,voices in the head.Hahaahaha....it nearly back-fired for Dr
Llewellyn,satanic bastard,he's one of them.
The cops in Maitland police,set me up for a hoax rape,they said I went mad and dangerous,because I threatened them on the street,off duty of course.
I was going to counter-charge and sue them,once I got a mentally unfit pension,well,that all went out the window...and mysteriously,all charges of
rape and drug possession,disappeared,even the court appearances.I'd love to have a day with you,show you the evidence,on paper and taped police interviews...I know what you go through Deca...yours is different,but it affects physiologically the same,cause we both got the same energetic systems...but I don't get electrical equipment playing up much...yours is
electronic,mines psychic...sorry,I also forgot how you hate that new-age shit
:D
Once I get these bastards of my back. I really want expose mental health for the bollocks it is, I don`t think people realize it until they get caught up in it,I am guilty of this before I did.I used to give mental ill people a wide birth same as handicap folk.
thelyran
26-03-2009, 07:25 AM
Once I get these bastards of my back. I really want expose mental health for the bollocks it is, I don`t think people realize it until they get caught up in it,I am guilty of this before I did.I used to give mental ill people a wide birth same as handicap folk.
...Very sound advice.Alot of mental-health workers are in the industry,because they need councilling...but they don't.They enact their cruelest urges upon patients...similar to police men,victims of bullying at school,become good thug cops later,some,not all.
...It was funny,what do you want to be...a psyche-nurse I said...the whole office of doctors and nurses stopped and looked at me,some put their heads down...it was good to reflect themselves...but between you and me,I made that decision years ago....I always believed there was secrets to be obtained from the patients,some are genuinely handicapped...the few I seek,have been removed,instead of assassinated...you understand.Good thread Deca...
jolinemaria
26-03-2009, 07:58 AM
Why change anyone in the first place....
because you don`t fit it one of these "acceptable" pigeon holes ?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e9/Pigeons-in-holes.jpg/180px-Pigeons-in-holes.jpg
or you know to much!!!! and have to be doped up
don`t worry they will check your emails,phone call,computer, monitor CCTV of your behavior and see if you fit in or need to be "corrected" very soon , you might not meet "brittishness" criteria
No poofters were brittish
http://www.debonairmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/31_clockwork-orange.jpg
http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/images/quoctruong/2006/02/09/hal_clockwork_orange.jpg
thelyran
26-03-2009, 08:19 AM
don`t worry they will check your emails,phone call,computer, monitor CCTV of your behavior and see if you fit in or need to be "corrected" very soon , you might not meet "brittishness" criteria
No poofters were brittish
http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/images/quoctruong/2006/02/09/hal_clockwork_orange.jpg
Droogs...as girls...Yes,the one on far left and far right...whip me,whip me,I've been good....
I am like the ring leader, I will make it hot;)
http://www.hollywoodbackwash.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/adrianna-clockwork-orange-2.jpg
thelyran
26-03-2009, 08:58 AM
I am like the ring leader, I will make it hot;)
http://www.hollywoodbackwash.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/adrianna-clockwork-orange-2.jpg
Brunette too...must admit Deca,I share your feelings here...now come on,stop it...it's getting the better of me....Fuck...she's hot.:o
friendsinthesky
26-03-2009, 09:12 AM
Some schizophrenics are known to jump of and on. I think I will be gay for a few yr's, hmm now I think I like girls. It's true.
Some schizophrenics are known to jump of and on. I think I will be gay for a few yr's, hmm now I think I like girls. It's true.
please explain what schizophrenia is ?
are you a full time proper poofter then?
gilly
26-03-2009, 09:34 AM
The following link explains schizophrenia...
http://www.schizophrenia.com/disease.htm
However, I think a lot of people wrongly believe it to be split personality syndrome (don't know what the jargonese name of that disorder is).
I am not a schizophrenics or ever been diagnosed as one , The only thing I was in the nut house for was Stress yes stress is classed as a mental disorder ?
Think it has do with me being 33 years old when I got targeted and not having mental health history pretty hard to stick the "schizophrenics" label on me like so many other TI get .
Oh I am not a poofter ether or sexually confused , it was a joke :D
because you don`t fit it one of these "acceptable" pigeon holes ?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e9/Pigeons-in-holes.jpg/180px-Pigeons-in-holes.jpg
or you know to much!!!! and have to be doped up
Gold Star for deca :)
markomac
26-03-2009, 10:15 AM
They just cant let people be.
They will try anything to cause divide and make people feel bad about themselves.
Why not start by treating people who are compulsive liars and cheaters, Mr Brown & Blair spring to mind!
Who really gives a fuck about someones sexual preferences? So long as it's consenting adults.
Half of these so called 'sexual therapy Dr's' have gay tendencies anyway and this is part of their own coping mechanisms.
Get a grip, get a life!
MM
they want cleanse the mind !!!!!!!
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ABkZEFvOAN8/RvyEi7g3shI/AAAAAAAAAB0/QAUfH_2ow_o/s400/da+mad+scientist.jpg
Just be thankful big Parana see these manics with no equipment just big egos a thought these idiots will by up all our dodge medicine if we tell them it gave a slight improvement in what ever mental disorder we say, and these twats have hundreds and can make new ones up. Because without there treatment they would still be cutting the "bad" bits out of your brain with scalpel.
thelyran
26-03-2009, 10:58 AM
The following link explains schizophrenia...
http://www.schizophrenia.com/disease.htm
However, I think a lot of people wrongly believe it to be split personality syndrome (don't know what the jargonese name of that disorder is).
Gilly,funny that.I have met three different people,who cured what was diagnosed as schizophrenia by the Health Professionals.These three people
were psychic energy healers,one Reiki,one Crystal,one Hatha Yoga/Reiki
specialist.
Not one doctor or professional in the Orthodox sciences or institutions...
was involved with the healing and final treatment of these patients...
...They all had astral entity attatchments...wish is was as easy as that always.Checkout Chris Everard's doco Spiritworld...give some good insights
to other realities...always,wanted the chance to talk you..Love,your avatar.
Any others similar?...please give me a link,if you can think of it...thankyou J
anthony65
26-03-2009, 11:16 AM
Gilly,funny that.I have met three different people,who cured what was diagnosed as schizophrenia by the Health Professionals.These three people
were psychic energy healers,one Reiki,one Crystal,one Hatha Yoga/Reiki
specialist.
Not one doctor or professional in the Orthodox sciences or institutions...
was involved with the healing and final treatment of these patients...
...They all had astral entity attatchments...wish is was as easy as that always.Checkout Chris Everard's doco Spiritworld...give some good insights
to other realities...always,wanted the chance to talk you..Love,your avatar.
Any others similar?...please give me a link,if you can think of it...thankyou J
I read this book a while ago. Very interesting!
** We all accept that we are crawling with microbes inside and out, but most people wouldn't accept the possibility that we are surrounded by entities that we can't perceive with our regular 5 senses.
Sagan's book deals with astral entity attachments, often "fragments".
And it offers advice as to how to deal with them.
He's based in Australia!
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Entity-Possession-Freeing-Negative-Influences/dp/0892816120/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1238062417&sr=8-1
gilly
26-03-2009, 11:21 AM
Gilly,funny that.I have met three different people,who cured what was diagnosed as schizophrenia by the Health Professionals.These three people
were psychic energy healers,one Reiki,one Crystal,one Hatha Yoga/Reiki
specialist.
Not one doctor or professional in the Orthodox sciences or institutions...
was involved with the healing and final treatment of these patients...
...They all had astral entity attatchments...wish is was as easy as that always.Checkout Chris Everard's doco Spiritworld...give some good insights
to other realities...always,wanted the chance to talk you..Love,your avatar.
Any others similar?...please give me a link,if you can think of it...thankyou J
Hiya Thelyran.
I think more & more people are starting to recognise that the medical profession can be pretty malevolent - even the best intentioned individuals within it are misguided imo.
I've been urging people, on a number of threads now, to get theimselves into Reiki, etc, so that when tptb outlaw all these forms of healing being practiced, we can still use it for our loved ones & ourselves.
Thanks for the compliment on my avataar. I got it from here...
http://www.gdpit.com/avatars_pictures/
There are hundreds of good ones on there, but it can take ages to sift through them. I nearly picked the penguin one on pg. 25 of the 'animals' section. :)
markomac
26-03-2009, 11:23 AM
I read this book a while ago. Very interesting!
** We all accept that we are crawling with microbes inside and out, but most people wouldn't accept the possibility that we are surrounded by entities that we can't perceive with our regular 5 senses.
Sagan's book deals with astral entity attachments, often "fragments".
And it offers advice as to how to deal with them.
He's based in Australia!
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Entity-Possession-Freeing-Negative-Influences/dp/0892816120/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1238062417&sr=8-1
These entities feed off emotion. Which is why I believe it's important to have a balance. You cant be angry all the time, but at the same time, you cant be in total euphoria either.
Poltergiests and other spirts and negative energy manifestations, feed off people with trauma and other problems.
I have experienced it in my line of paranormal research, although it's only para-normal and not normal because it's not accepted possibility to the mainstream.
I find it fascinating. Which is why I dont totally poo poo davids reptilian theory. There's no reason to say that they dont exist and feed off this energy like spirits do. In many ways it explains a lot.
MM
gilly
26-03-2009, 11:30 AM
Also, many chakra balancing meditations are very helpful. An analogy given by Ted Andrews on the effects, compares each chakra to an electric fan. When things are out of balance, the fans are rotating at a slow speed, which enables bits of paper & debris to enter through, and to clog up the fans (chakras) even further perpetuating the likelihood of more tosh getting through. When in balance, the blades whizz around rapidly, blocking the way for crud to get in. (I'm sure Ted phrased it more eloquently).
friendsinthesky
26-03-2009, 11:34 AM
I am not a schizophrenics or ever been diagnosed as one , The only thing I was in the nut house for was Stress yes stress is classed as a mental disorder ?
Think it has do with me being 33 years old when I got targeted and not having mental health history pretty hard to stick the "schizophrenics" label on me like so many other TI get .
Oh I am not a poofter ether or sexually confused , it was a joke :D
I've known two schizophrenics who were very confused. They both had gay relationships then switched to the other team (so to speak). Not all schizophrenics will do this, but it happens with their mood swing.
thelyran
26-03-2009, 12:00 PM
I read this book a while ago. Very interesting!
** We all accept that we are crawling with microbes inside and out, but most people wouldn't accept the possibility that we are surrounded by entities that we can't perceive with our regular 5 senses.
Sagan's book deals with astral entity attachments, often "fragments".
And it offers advice as to how to deal with them.
He's based in Australia!
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Entity-Possession-Freeing-Negative-Influences/dp/0892816120/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1238062417&sr=8-1
You're kidding...this is great.I started thinking that entities are made by us through processes of Soul fragmentation,as emotions are electrical in
composition,there is seven layers to the aura,with 7 main chakras...for the body,some argue 8...but thats your god connection,not body.
With all these pieces of soul frags,they seem to get connected,depending on the emotional baggage and spiritual lowering of the aura.depending on
vibration and how open or damaged the aura is...You heard "Like attracts like"
this is very real in the spiritworlds...
Thankyou very much for the support and heads-up with the book.Actually,
getting good information,is very hard to do.Thanks Anthony,regards Jason.
gilly
26-03-2009, 12:05 PM
I read this book a while ago. Very interesting!
** We all accept that we are crawling with microbes inside and out, but most people wouldn't accept the possibility that we are surrounded by entities that we can't perceive with our regular 5 senses.
Sagan's book deals with astral entity attachments, often "fragments".
And it offers advice as to how to deal with them.
He's based in Australia!
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Entity-Possession-Freeing-Negative-Influences/dp/0892816120/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1238062417&sr=8-1
Yet another book to add to my list of 'wants'.
thelyran
26-03-2009, 12:12 PM
Hiya Thelyran.
I think more & more people are starting to recognise that the medical profession can be pretty malevolent - even the best intentioned individuals within it are misguided imo.
I've been urging people, on a number of threads now, to get theimselves into Reiki, etc, so that when tptb outlaw all these forms of healing being practiced, we can still use it for our loved ones & ourselves.
Thanks for the compliment on my avataar. I got it from here...
http://www.gdpit.com/avatars_pictures/
There are hundreds of good ones on there, but it can take ages to sift through them. I nearly picked the penguin one on pg. 25 of the 'animals' section. :)
...Gilly,thankyou for taking the time to answer and supply that link.I was hoping you would.You see,there is one force in the universe...one energy source,some call this god,some call this the universal matrix.We all have a choice,to use from this source...it does'nt say,good or bad,it just is.It does
not say about cause and affect,it just is.The very Illuminati,that does sex majik rituals,blood and a whole host of the negative aspects...invoke GOds/UM
energy,but give it affect through ritual,channeling and intention.So,do the very healers who have helped me and others.But their intention,colours the
Universal Matrix to the healing and positive aspects,combined with Incense,
relaxing music,tintures etc.Both polarities drink from the same cup...!
It took along time to get around that.The best black-magicians are the healers,they know both paths...there choice is to help...not to harm...
Thankyou again Gilly.Regards Jason.
thelyran
26-03-2009, 12:21 PM
...Deca...one more thing.After considering the horrible abuse you go through
did you,due to it's nature,ever considered building a lead sphere you could hide in for 6-7 hours,I was hoping,it was a quick and easy way,to get rid of them.That way,you can put all your energies into exposing them...kick them in the nuts,real good.
anthony65
30-03-2009, 09:24 AM
You're kidding...this is great.I started thinking that entities are made by us through processes of Soul fragmentation,as emotions are electrical in
composition,there is seven layers to the aura,with 7 main chakras...for the body,some argue 8...but thats your god connection,not body.
With all these pieces of soul frags,they seem to get connected,depending on the emotional baggage and spiritual lowering of the aura.depending on
vibration and how open or damaged the aura is...You heard "Like attracts like"
this is very real in the spiritworlds...
Thankyou very much for the support and heads-up with the book.Actually,
getting good information,is very hard to do.Thanks Anthony,regards Jason.
Hi Jason! You're very welcome! :)
Markomac posted some good stuff! Thanks for that!
thelyran
30-03-2009, 09:55 AM
Hi Jason! You're very welcome! :)
Markomac posted some good stuff! Thanks for that!
Thankyou Anthony sir,I think both you and Markomac had excellent contributions.What readers should keep in mind,that the OP,Deca,have under gone horrendous psychic attack and manipulation.The very fact that both he and I write in these threads,is a testament to our strength in character and will...I used to sound the same back in 2004,at a punkrock site,but had a small army back then,willing to fight the elites.Well,I have changed,with the change,I don't suffer as bad now,just intermittently.Nearly died from
induced seizures a few times.
...What I find disturbing,is that the elites are willing to re-enact former barbarism,in mental health research.If we allow this,we will become desensitised to other peoples suffering and really do feel,this is just another string to add to the overwhelming POGROMS,programmes created to
diminish our responsibility and spirituality...not good.That Orwellian boot,inches forward,ever so close...to mash our faces,I fear.Regards and
Respect,Jason.thankyou.:)
bob_jones
30-03-2009, 02:58 PM
Excerpted from:
"The case against antipsychotic drugs: a 50-year record of doing more harm than good," by Robert Whitaker, author of Mad In America: Bad Medicine, Bad Science and the Enduring Mistreatment of the Mentally Ill.
Published in the journal Medical Hypotheses (2004)
62, 5–13
Preclinical
1883 Phenothiazines developed as synthetic dyes.
1934 USDA develops phenothiazines as insecticide.
1949 Phenothiazines shown to hinder rope-climbing abilities in rats.
1950 Rhone Poulenc synthesizes chlorpromazine, a phenothiazine, for use as an anesthetic.
Clinical history/standard neuroleptics
1954 Chlorpromazine, marketed in the US as Thorazine, found to induce symptoms of Parkinson's disease.
1955 Chlorpromazine said to induce symptoms similar to encephalitis lethargica.
1959 First reports of permanent motor dysfunction linked to neuroleptics, later named tardive dyskinesia.
1960 French physicians describe a potentially fatal toxic reaction to neuroleptics, later named neuroleptic malignant syndrome.
1962 California Mental Hygiene Department determines that chlorpromazine and other neuroleptics prolong hospitalization.
1963 Six-week NIMH collaborative study concludes that neuroleptics are safe and effective "antischizophrenic" drugs.
1964 Neuroleptics found to impair learning in animals and humans.
1965 One-year followup of NIMH collaborative study finds drug-treated patients more likely than placebo patients to be rehospitalized.
1968 In a drug withdrawal study, the NIMH finds that relapse rates rise in direct relation to dosage. The higher the dosage that patients are on before withdrawal, the higher the relapse rate.
1972 Tardive dyskinesia is said to resemble Huntington's disease, or "postencephalitic brain damage".
1974 Boston researchers report that relapse rates were lower in pre-neuroleptic era, and that drugtreated patients are more likely to be socially dependent.
1977 A NIMH study that randomizes schizophrenia patients into drug and non-drug arms reports that only 35% of the non-medicated patients relapsed within a year after discharge, compared to 45% of those treated with medication.
1978 California investigator Maurice Rappaport reports markedly superior three-year outcomes for patients treated without neuroleptics. Only 27% of the drug-free patients relapsed in the three years following discharge, compared to 62% of the medicated patients.
1978 Canadian researchers describe drug-induced changes in the brain that make a patient more vulnerable to relapse, which they dub "neuroleptic induced supersensitive psychosis".
1978 Neuroleptics found to cause 10% cellular loss in brains of rats.
1979 Prevalence of tardive dyskinesia in drug-treated patients is reported to range from 24% to 56%.
1979 Tardive dyskinesia found to be associated with cognitive impairment.
1979 Loren Mosher, chief of schizophrenia studies at the NIMH, reports superior one-year and two-year outcomes for Soteria patients treated without neuroleptics.
1980 NIMH researchers find an increase in "blunted effect" and "emotional withdrawal" in drugtreated patients who don't relapse, and that neuroleptics do not improve "social and role performance" in non-relapsers.
1982 Anticholinergic medications used to treat Parkinsonian symptoms induced by neuroleptics reported to cause cognitive impairment.
1985 Drug-induced akathisia is linked to suicide.
1985 Case reports link drug-induced akathisia to violent homicides.
1987 Tardive dyskinesia is linked to worsening of negative symptoms, gait difficulties, speech impairment, psychosocial deterioration, and memory deficits. They conclude it may be both a "motor and dementing disorder".
1992 World Health Organization reports that schizophrenia outcomes are much superior in poor countries, where only 16% of patients are kept continuously on neuroleptics. The WHO concludes that living in a developed nation is a "strong predictor" that a patient will never fully recover.
1992 Researchers acknowledge that neuroleptics cause a recognizable pathology, which they name neuroleptic induced deficit syndrome. In addition to Parkinson's, akathisia, blunted emotions and tardive dyskinesia, patients treated with neuroleptics suffer from an increased incidence of blindness, fatal blood clots, arrhythmia, heat stroke, swollen breasts, leaking breasts, impotence, obesity, sexual dysfunction, blood disorders, skin rashes, seizures, and early death.
1994 Neuroleptics found to cause a swelling of the caudate region in the brain.
1994 Harvard investigators report that schizophrenia outcomes in the US appear to have worsened over past 20 years, and are now no better than in the first decades of 20th century.
1995 "Real world" relapse rates for schizophrenia patients treated with neuroleptics said to be above 80% in the two years following hospital discharge, which is much higher than in pre-neuroleptic era.
1995 "Quality of life" in drug-treated patients reported to be "very poor".
1998 MRI studies show that neuroleptics cause hypertrophy of the caudate, putamen and thalamus, with the increase "associated with greater severity of both negative and positive symptoms".
1998 Neuroleptic use is found to be associated with atrophy of cerebral cortex.
1998 Harvard researchers conclude that "oxidative stress" may be the process by which neuroleptics cause neuronal damage in the brain.
1998 Treatment with two or more neuroleptics is found to increase risk of early death.
2000 Neuroleptics linked to fatal blood clots.
2003 Atypicals linked to an increased risk of obesity, hyperglycemia, diabetes, and pancreatitis.
fekdemasons
30-03-2009, 03:20 PM
I'll wager that at least 1 in 6 men tried to turn the psychiatrists
gay !
And why not indeed..
gilly
30-03-2009, 03:26 PM
I'll wager that at least 1 in 6 men tried to turn the psychiatrists
gay !
And why not indeed..
Very good! :D
nectars
30-03-2009, 05:38 PM
Personally I think it's a past life thing.
If you spend 2 or 3 consecutive lives as a woman and are then born a guy, whats your preference gonna be? Guys! And vice versa.