Do You Cry?

[thomascovenant]

I have found that since I have started looking into so called "alternative" news.And since experiencing a partial awakening That I cry all the time.

Whether I am struck by the beauty of something or I am empathising with somebody elses pain, it comes suddenly and chokes me up.

By the way I`m not getting old yet :)

Anybody else get this?

[lumukanda]

i have felt that very thing, often when watching tv (which makes a part of me going is this the programming, or is it real, kind of reminds me of robert de niro's character in analyse this, where he cries while watching the funeral policy commercial, but, such are the perils of trying to wake up i suppose) and the smallest things would bring tears to my eyes, often it's just the raw beauty of something, othertimes it's, as you say, empathising with someone's pain.
you don't want it overwhelming you (or maybe you do?) but i feel it a most amazing and alive feeling experience, the alchemists said something to the effect of, tears are the salt of the soul (alchemists, feel free to correct me), and i'm glad i do.

[gordonfreeman]

I don't watch TV and I cry.

I cry at my own creation thoughts in my mind.

[lumukanda]

i seldom cry about things in my mind, last week, my dog died while i was away, when i thought of her i shed a tear, but most often it's some kind of external stimulis, not always tv.

[thomascovenant]

I like the way it makes me feel sometimes.

Sort of...connected.

[lumukanda]

i know what you mean thomas, and i do believe that in that short time, that moment it comes upon you, you are connected.

[thomascovenant]

It can be a problem sometimes.
Sometimes, it happens when I`m "ranting" (as my wife calls it) or when I`m sharing knowledge (as I call it).;)

[lumukanda]

i used to be in the debate club at school, i am able to keep myself under control during a 'rant' (as the they call it), or a debate (as i call it).

[thomascovenant]

Its not through frustration or lack of articulation.Its more likely to be when I`m trying to wake someone up to someone elses suffering. Henry Paul is a good example.
When I was explaining mind control to someone, I brought up Henry Paul.I think my emotion at the time, trying to explain the trauma suffered by "multiples" actually helped.
I felt his pain for a split second.I`m sure I did.

[auron]

I like the way it makes me feel sometimes.

Sort of...connected.
Yeah man! It's like you've been relieved of a load of bad energy or something. Keeping it all "bottled up" isn't healthy for us, and i believe it will manifest as disease, or illness. Maybe both.

[tinmenace]

I have found that since I have started looking into so called "alternative" news.And since experiencing a partial awakening That I cry all the time.

Whether I am struck by the beauty of something or I am empathising with somebody elses pain, it comes suddenly and chokes me up.

By the way I`m not getting old yet :)

Anybody else get this?

Read this thread by Lapis (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3883&highlight=ascension), especially the symptoms (follow the links). You might find some answers there.

[thomascovenant]

Tinmenace, I`ve had a quick look there but theres shitloads of it.Would it explain a minor healing ability?

[thomascovenant]

Auron, you seen American Beauty?

Theres a bit where Ricky Fitz explains to his girlfriend about how he deals with the amount of beauty in the world.Its something like..."sometimes I get so full of the beauty that I think I`m going to burst.And then I remember to relax and not try to hold it all in.And then its ok.."

Not that but something like that

[tinmenace]

Tinmenace, I`ve had a quick look there but theres shitloads of it.Would it explain a minor healing ability?

Yes, I believe so, but I'm really 'under-qualified' to answer those kinds of questions. So, I'm not going to BS you by pretending I know.

Post your question at the end of the thread and I'll let Lapis know that you have a question, ok?

She's really out of this world with guidance...;)

[auron]

No mate, cheers for the recommendation. I'll download it sometime. :D

[thomascovenant]

Just mention my name to her.We`ll meet at some point.
Thanks.

[thomascovenant]

ps. gonna check those links now.

[tinmenace]

ps. gonna check those links now.

Yeah, this link (http://www.manataka.org/page91.html) provides some symptoms experienced by people 'waking up' and ascending. Crying for seemingly no reason, is one of them.

[thomascovenant]

I always know the reason.

[thomascovenant]

I get some of those symptoms, not all.
Don`t like to think of them as symptoms.Seems to imply a negative.

I get;Unusual sleep patterns (I always have though)
Intense dreams
Longing for home
Passion

[auron]

I get;Unusual sleep patterns (I always have though)
Intense dreams
Longing for home
Passion
Same here! But i don't think it is on this planet though!

[tinmenace]

Same here! But i don't think it is on this planet though!

Same here, but I KNOW it's not this planet. :o

[thomascovenant]

Check out the thread that tinmenace pointed to.
Its a bit flowery for me but there might be something in it.

[thomascovenant]

No mate, cheers for the recommendation. I'll download it sometime. :D
You can probably get it at http://www.tv-links.co.uk one of my all time favourite sites

[cruise4]

I have cried in the past when a movie moved me or my dog died, but since being awakened, occasionally, the sheer scale of the evil that has been perpetrated, and the amount of poor people who got manipulated into serving evil, comes flooding through me and I'll spontaneously cry at the sheer madness and folly of it all. I don't believe we have an evil nature, on the whole, and would love to see what we could achieve, unfettered by these inbred psychopaths and their false doctrines.

[thomascovenant]

You Will:)

[freedomiswithinyou]

I believe crying is ok or even good for you as long as it is not in fear. Keeping it all in can lead to bad things, believe me, I've had anger problems and it's hard to deprogram from. My advice is when you need to let go, let go.

[thomascovenant]

Its Love!

[mari]

I think we are in the process of releasing all old baggage/past traumas - even from previous lives. Its all part of the human ascension; a re-wiring if you like.
I've noticed that when I cry ( & its bloody often, I can tell you!) the tears feel, in an odd way, very welcome, even If I'm really down. There's a feeling of BIG release here.
On a personal level, I liken the feeling when I cry, to the feeling I got at my mum's funeral many moons ago; it wasn't just about grief, it was a feeling of release -after bottling it all up for the week (i was the one who arranged everything) & then feeling the 'permission' to 'let go' at the service. It felt good, just like it does now............

[ngawaka19]

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sad tears i cry always when I'm alone.....






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but most the time its tears of joy, love and relief



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much prefer laughing

[filip]

I have found that since I have started looking into so called "alternative" news.And since experiencing a partial awakening That I cry all the time.

Whether I am struck by the beauty of something or I am empathising with somebody elses pain, it comes suddenly and chokes me up.

By the way I`m not getting old yet :)

Anybody else get this?

I get it! I cry every day. There's so much beauty in the world - and it moves me to tears.

[filip]

"But if in your fear you would seek only love's peace and love's pleasure,
Then it is better for you that you cover your nakedness and pass out of love's threshing-floor,
Into the seasonless world where you shall laugh, but not all of your laughter, and weep, but not all of your tears."
-Kahlil Gibran, The Prophet (http://www.katsandogz.com/onlove.html)

[aventurine]

I think we are in the process of releasing all old baggage/past traumas - even from previous lives. Its all part of the human ascension; a re-wiring if you like.
I've noticed that when I cry ( & its bloody often, I can tell you!) the tears feel, in an odd way, very welcome, even If I'm really down. There's a feeling of BIG release here.
On a personal level, I liken the feeling when I cry, to the feeling I got at my mum's funeral many moons ago; it wasn't just about grief, it was a feeling of release -after bottling it all up for the week (i was the one who arranged everything) & then feeling the 'permission' to 'let go' at the service. It felt good, just like it does now............

I relate very much to what you're saying here Mari. I was only just saying to a friend the other day, that over the past 18mths - 2yrs I seem to cry at the drop of a hat, whereas I hardly ever did before. This timescale corresponds to a rapid acceleration in my spiritual development, and I firmly believe it's neccessary to release any pent-up emotions/baggage in order to keep on progressing. It's not healthy to bottle things up, and it will only come back at a later date (maybe more strongly than if we'd released it immediatly?) to bite us on the backside, lol.

BTW Lumu - really sorry to hear about your dog.:( (((hugs))) to you.

[lenejento]

Today I had tears of bliss ;)

[notaslave]

I did go through a period where I chucked nearly everyone out of my life and I cried a lot then .. for me lol But I needed that time to assess things and take time out I guess. And I realised that I was being distracted and needed the distance I put between my self and others. I was changing and they wanted me to be whatever they wanted me to be which isnt possible as they all wanted different stuff from me.

I work its just that many equate work to wages and I dont bring in wages. I bring in results. I think they can see that now and have accepted that my work doesnt pay well financially because when you start taking a wage then it is a job and for me to effective in what I do I have to understand poverty. It's harder to understand poverty when you dont have to worry about the electric meter cutting out.

[lightbeing]

I should have found this thread before now!;) I have to fight back tears alot of late, but if I'm on my own I let it out, and it feels good, like thomascovenant said, I feel connected with something as well.........:)

[lapis]

Well I just discovered this thread; nice one thomascovenant.

I'm going to quote a line I really like from Celia Fenn that sums this business up short n' sweet.

"For ascension is about moving from a mind-based reality and ascending into a heart-based reality."

"Ascension" is about our energetic evolution out of polarity and left-brained consciousness into the next level of being which will have to do with functioning from our "Hearts" - the High mind if you will. ;)

People's Heart Chakras have been activated over the past few years due to our on-going ascension process aka spiritual evolution. The crying is both a purging of the lower energies (emotions, wounds, fears, limiting beliefs etc) that we're constanly transmuting now and, it's also us starting to actually function from our Higher Hearts because of all that transmuting.

Also when we start doing this, as is obvious to me that you thomascovenant are, our frequencies, our energetic bodies are actually existing at a higher faster less dense level of 'reality'. In that higher 'reality' we are vastly more aware, both through our minds AND our hearts, of everyone else and we're all much more connected to each other due to the fact that we're all vibrating at about the same rate.....unlike the old lower earth 'reality'. This is a common trait and learning within the 5th dimension. We are still highly individuated but we're now becoming vastly more connected to and aware of each other at the same time. The whole group feels everyone else in the group because the disconnections and fragmentations (lower energies) we've all had have been (are continuing to be) transmuted through our individual ascesion work.

This all reminds me of that beautiful image of Krishna as a blue being and he's ripped open his chest to reveal his fully functioning Heart Chakra with his face showing a state of near bliss because of it.

[thomascovenant]

Wow.I never thought that this thread would get such a response.

Filip and Lightbeing; I`m glad that someone else feels this too.

Lapis, thanks for that post.You have put into words that which I was obviously struggling with.I will look up Celia Finn.Flattery will get you everywhere.;)

[lightbeing]

Wow.I never thought that this thread would get such a response.

Filip and Lightbeing; I`m glad that someone else feels this too.

Lapis, thanks for that post.You have put into words that which I was obviously struggling with.I will look up Celia Finn.Flattery will get you everywhere.;)

That's cool brother, it's good we are on our way to the next level of enlightenment...............:)

[lapis]

thomascovenant,

:) It wasn't blatant flattery, I just read what you were saying and recognized it. :)

I want to say that I really like the info that Celia Fenn is talking about now but in all honesty, I'm personally not in need of phrases like "Dearest" or "much Beloved" or any of that sort of thing which does come through in some of her channels. I just wanted to warn you about this so you don't flee her site and all that great info there over a couple of drippingly sticky-sweet words OK? ;) I'm not fond of it either but I read on because what she's saying is great and accurate IMO.

Again, great thread and thanks for being so honest.

[thomascovenant]

Cheers Lapis.
I wasn`t accusing you of flattery, I was just trying to lighten the mood.
I`ll wade though as much treacle as the universe can throw at me if it leads me to knowledge.
Again, thanks for the info.

[foreverspirit]

A Message From Your Unconscious


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I am your Soul, and I have no place.

You know me, although you have forgotten who I am. You have known me since before the Ancient Time, before time, as we know it, began.

Now I slide away from your consciousness. I slip around in the darkness of your unconscious. You don’t want to know me anymore.

You have come to believe that I am evil and a partner of the One who is called Evil. But I am not. I am only your Soul.

Listen, while I still live. Because if you do not, I will die soon. And when I die, you cannot live because we are one, though separated.

Let me tell you who I am. Try hard to hear me. Open your Heart for just a moment and feel the truth. For your sake as well as mine.


Next: The Secret Battle



THE SECRET BATTLE

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THE MOTHER'S CALL

We are like prisoners during war. We are behind enemy lines, captives. We are vulnerable. Although we are not strong and we can be easily led and frightened, I ask you now to take tiny steps to save yourself. I will be with you every step, but I cannot do it for you. No one can do it for you. There will be no savior coming to help us. We are alone in this fight and we must help each other.

But we can become strong. Together we can heal and reclaim all that we are including our freedom. And when we have become strong enough, we will stand together and make so powerful a change that the heavens will respond!

Until then, do not be known. Stay near me and I will lead you through the maze where we are captives. I will lead you as gently as I can. I have already reclaimed much of myself and I can help you. And then you will help me.

I have four weapons to give you in our fight to survive.

These four weapons are Remembering, Accepting Your Feelings, Changing your Beliefs and Making New Decisions. Used properly, these weapons will bring you back to who you really are. They will give you a chance to live and live as you were meant to live.

I have five tools to give you in our fight to survive.

I will teach you how to use these weapons and these tools. They are all that you need to take back your life and win this war we are in. :cool:


http://www.cyquest.com/pathway/message_from_unconscious.html

[mada88]

crying robots are funny

[teslafire]

Old school acting teachers all say they've noticed how much harder it is for their students to cry on cue, as the decades have progressed.

[harris999]

I cry when I'm very angry, at someone or something. I cant remember the last time i cried when i was sad.

I'm not a voilent person tho, so maybe its just my way of "releasing" that anger. Its a wierd feeling tho.

[infinitetruth]

I don't know I cry at strange times. Like my Gran died this year and I cry not because shes gone, but because I don't know where she is and I wonder if she's ok. Its weird coz i don't feel sad that I lost a Gran - its not important. But I am still sad that i've lost a friend, she was my friend and thats what gets me more than anything.

What i cry at the most is the pictures of war i see. The dead children, the irony of soldiers carrying injured children and the messed up mixed up feelings they must have when doing that. I hear it all the time that bad horrible experiences bring out the best in us, but does the end justify the means? Really?

How the fck do you make sense of war?

[foreverspirit]

A Message From Your Unconscious




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I am your Soul, and I have no place.


http://www.cyquest.com/pathway/message_from_unconscious.html



BUT THEN AGAIN, THIS SEEMS TO MAKE A LOT OF SENSE:rolleyes:

The Wounded Healer * Part 2
By Paul Levy
7-26-7

In my last article, The Wounded Healer, I contemplated how the wounded healer is one of the major underlying, archetypal processes giving shape to and in-forming events in our world today, both individually and collectively. I point out how our wounding is a numinous event that can potentially introduce and initiate us into a deeper level of our being. Any one of us accessing the healing power hidden in our wound could be, in Jung's words, "the makeweight that tips the scales," precipitating an evolutionary quantum leap in human consciousness, which literally can change everything.

In meditation last night, as I was watching my wound arise, I began to see how in each moment I was interpreting my wound in one of two ways. In some moments, I was relating to my wound as if it was a problem (for it sure felt like one). It felt very real and had a rock-solid concreteness to it. When I experienced my wound in this way, I told myself a story that goes like this: the fact that the symptom was coming up in the moment was itself proof that I really had an unresolved problem that needed to be worked on, for if I didn't have an unresolved problem, then I clearly wouldn't have this wound. In one very real sense, this logic is true; if I didn't have an unresolved problem, I wouldn't be experiencing my symptom right now.

By exclusively holding onto this fixed viewpoint, however, I am not seeing the full picture, and am entrancing myself through the reality-creating power of my own imagination. When I solidify myself as having a wound, just like a dream, where the inner and the outer are mirrored reflections of each other, the universe instantaneously reflects back and supplies all the evidence I need to prove to myself that I really am wounded, which further confirms and validates my point of view of seeing myself as someone who has an unhealed wound, ad infinitum. In this way of experiencing my wound, I relate to my wound as an expression of a deeper, unhealed part of myself that concretely exists and persists over time, at least in my imagination. It thereby has a sense of possessing a real, long-lasting, substantial, independent, and intrinsic existence to it, at least for the time being, which is all there really is.

The more I relate to my wound AS IF it really exists, the more I have created it to manifest AS IF it really exists, which just endlessly justifies my increasingly entrenched viewpoint, as I now have all the proof I need of the "objective reality" of my wound. When I relate to my wound in this way, what I am unwittingly doing is colluding with my wound to sustain and perpetuate itself. By relating to my wound as evidence that I have an unresolved problem, I then concretize in my imagination that I have an unhealed problem that actually exists in and over time through this moment, and in the next moment, and the next, seemingly ad infinitum. Just as in a dream, when I solidify my situation like this, my experience of the universe and of myself has no choice but to shape-shift and reflect back to me what I am choosing to perceive, thereby repeatedly confirming my viewpoint in each moment. To become bewitched by my own perceptions in this way, entranced by my mind's power to give shape to and in-form "reality," is to fall into an infinitely self-perpetuating feedback loop that is of the nature of a self-fulfilling prophecy.

To do this is to have fallen under a spell of my own making. This dynamic is at the root of generating enormous amounts of unnecessary human suffering, both in our individual lives and collectively, writ large on the world stage. We are constantly hypnotizing ourselves and falling under spells of our own making, an important feature of which is the very convincing sense that we are not under a spell, but are seeing things clearly, as they "really are." When we imagine our wound to be "real," for example, we are falling under the spell of and ultimately serving the "false self," which is based on limitation, lack and fear. Our wound is then not only magnified but projected outward, where it can often be destructively acted out in the world, with the attendant surge of blame accompanied by a feeling of victimization. The origin of this dynamic, which is at the very root of what is playing out both within ourselves and in the collective body politic, is to be found within the creative imagination of the human psyche, of consciousness itself.

When we unwittingly concretize and relate to our wound as something solid, we have dis-connected from the part of ourselves that can consciously participate in our own creative process. Solidifying our symptoms into a fixed and supposedly "objective" state is an act of abdicating our responsibility in creatively shaping the way our wound is manifesting in each and every moment. Instead of using our creative energy in the service of our freedom, we are unwittingly channeling our creativity to bind and restrict ourselves, as if our own creativity has turned against us. When we solidify our wound as being something real and separate from ourselves, we dissociate from a part of ourselves, which is to invariably become one-sided and neurotic. How our wound manifests is an unmediated, direct expression of our level of dissociation from our wholeness, which manifests as neurosis.

Just like with our wound, thinking that our neurosis has a solid reality to it, to quote Jung, "leads to the pretense (which suits the neurotic down to the ground) that the causa efficiens of his neurosis [we can easily substitute the word "wound" for neurosis] lies in the remote past. In reality the neurosis is manufactured anew every day [really every moment], with the help of a false attitude that consists in the neurotic's thinking and feeling as he does and justifying it by his theory of neu<#_edn1>rosis [i.e., that the neurosis has a solid reality to it and its cause lies in the past]."[i] [Emphasis added in brackets]

Jung continues, "The true reason for a neurosis always lies in the present, since the neurosis exists in the present. It is definitely not a hangover from the past, a caput mortuum [an alchemical term meaning a residue left over after the distillation of a substance]; it is fed and as it were new-made every day. And it is only in the today, not in our yesterdays, that the neurosis can be 'cured.'"<#_edn2>[ii] What Jung is pointing at with reference to the genesis and cure of our wound or our neurosis is that it is something we are actually feeding, supporting and creating each moment based on the story we tell ourselves.

Just as Jung suggests regarding neurosis, instead of concretizing our wound as something "real" that exists objectively in and over time, with its cause in the distant past, there is a second way that we can potentially relate to our wound. When the wound comes up, instead of interpreting it solely as an expression that we really are wounded, we can recognize the wound's momentary appearance as the unfolding, releasing, dissolution and dis-illusion of the very same wound that we had previously imagined to substantially exist. In other words, we can allow our wound to manifest in this moment as an evanescent, transitory and self-liberating revelation of what the moment before we imagined existed in and over time in solid, "real" form.

When we experience the effortlessly self-liberating quality of our wound, instead of reaching back in time in our imagination, and creating ourselves in a solidified, limited, and problematic identity that is not fully healed, we simply relate to our wound as an impermanent, ever-changing, and fluid phenomenon: an event only happening in the present moment and no-where other than the present moment. We thus relate to our wound as being an ephemeral artifact of our present perception and as existing simply as a momentary phantom of the dynamics of our creative process in this moment. In viewing our wound in this way, we do not make it "real" and grant it an undeserved solidity or invest it with an unwarranted substantial existence. We simply relate to our wound as its own impermanent self-display, its own self-liberating revelation.

In Buddhism, this is called recognizing the "emptiness" of phenomena, which is to realize that phenomena (such as our wound, the outside world, and even, and especially, ourselves) have no intrinsic, independent existence separate from the consciousness which is experiencing it. This realization is analogous to being inside of a dream and recognizing its true nature, which is to say that the manifestation of the dream, including our imagination of who we are in the dream, is not separate from the mind that is dreaming. What Buddhism calls emptiness is exactly what quantum physics has discovered in realizing that we cannot separate out our observation of the universe from the universe we observe. Our observation of the universe changes the very universe we are observing. The observer is the observed. It is complete nonsense (in that it makes "no sense," empirically speaking) to talk about the universe existing separate from us, or us existing independently of the universe. Just like a dream, the outer world is a mirrored reflection and nonlocalized expression of what is going on inside the dreamer, which in this case is us.

The story we weave around our wound in each and every moment is a reflection of how we relate to and hence "dream up" and create ourselves as well. If we relate to our wound as existing over time with its cause in the past, we concurrently conjure ourselves up as a being who exists in and over time, and hence, as someone who is bound by time. How we relate to our wound determines not just how we dream up our experience of ourselves, but also the reality around us. Our wound and our dynamic interactions with it are potentially revealing to us a key to how we create our selves and our world moment by moment.

Our wound is not separate from the psyche which is experiencing it. A nonlocal, "faster than the speed of light" co-relation and co-respondence exists between how we perceive our wound and how our wound manifests. This link happens in "no time" whatsoever, which is to say it takes place outside the realm of time altogether. We cannot separate out how we "subjectively" view our wound and how our wound appears "objectively." For in reality all assessments of reality as being objective are by their very nature subjective in origin. Our wound is thus inseparably united with and a function of consciousness. It is due to this nonlinear, atemporal, "faster than the speed of light" effect we have on our universe that we fall prey to and entrance ourselves by our God-given power to co-create the universe. This dreamlike universe of ours instantaneously mirrors back to us our perceptions in a way that validates our perceptions by making them appear to us as if they objectively exist and are arising outside of ourselves. Being like a dream, our perceptions generate the universe to reflect back our perceptions, which further confirms the very perceptions which generated the reflections of them in the first place.

We are all creative geniuses who are divinely empowered to call forth and literally co-create this universe with itself and each other. To the extent we are not consciously aware of our power, however, we unconsciously dream up this universe in a way that not only doesn't serve us, but rather, is destroying us. Our God-given power to creatively call forth reality is boomeranging and we are unwittingly using it against ourselves, as if we have become enchanted and have fallen under a spell. We snap out of our bewitchment when we consciously realize and start actively using the power of our divine creative imagination to transform our experience of the world.

For those of us who experience ourselves as not having much of an imagination, it is as if we are imagining that we don't have much of an imagination. Our imagination of not having an imagination is itself the most far-out (in the sense of being far off the mark) imagination of our divine imagination. Our creative imagination, instead of serving our fulfillment, is perversely being used against us in crippling ways that dramatically reduce our human potential. Our only "problem" is a lack of imagination. Our lack of imagination is itself imaginary, however, as our thinking that there's a problem is merely a product of our imagination. Being ultimately the revelation of our imagination itself, our lack of imagination is a "problem" that asks to be approached imaginatively, which is to say that hidden in our very problem * our lack of imagination * is its own resolution and healing. Imagine that!

As I point out in my previous article The Wounded Healer, encoded in our wound is the key to its resolution, which is to say that our wound contains its own medicine. Similarly, hidden in our neurosis is its own cure. When we feel stuck, it is as if our neurosis is keeping us tied and bound, frozen in a particular time or place. And yet, being "nailed" like this, a veritable "crucifixion" experience, can potentially help us discover who we are. To quote Jung, "I myself have known more than one person who owed his entire usefulness and reason for existence to a neurosis, which prevented all the worst follies in his life and forced him to a mode of living that developed his valuable potentialities. These might have been stifled had not the neurosis, with iron grip, held him to the place where he belonged."<#_edn3>[iii] The neurosis, with its "iron grip," can seemingly immobilize us, which paradoxically, can potentially help us one-pointedly stay on course, keeping us right where we are supposed to be so as to discover our own presence, as well as helping us to unwrap our uniquely creative gifts. Our neurosis, though seemingly ruining our state of childhood innocence, actually "raises us," providing us with the necessary rules, restrictions and parameters for the unique unfoldment, crystallization and channeling of our open-ended potential. In raising us, our neurosis has the potential to mature us and expand our consciousness.

Jung continues, "We should not try to 'get rid' of a neurosis, but rather to experience what it means, what it has to teach, what its purpose is. We should even learn to be thankful for it, otherwise we pass it by and miss the opportunity of getting to know ourselves as we really are. A neurosis is truly removed only when it has removed the false attitude of the ego. We do not cure it * it cures us. A man is ill, but the illness is nature's attempt to heal him. From the illness itself we can learn so much for our recovery, and what the neurotic flings away as absolutely worthless contains the true gold we should never have found elsewhere."<#_edn4>[iv] Our neurosis and our wound are the alchemical "prima materia," the rejected and despised part of the psyche, the raw material which we "should learn to be thankful for," without which we would be unable to make the alchemical gold of an expanded consciousness.

The mediator of our wound's curative power is consciousness and the direction we choose to channel it. Instead of viewing our wound as a real "problem" that is obscuring our true nature, when consciousness is guided by feelings of gratitude for the wound's potential offering of self-realization and personal evolution, our wound, which is a reflection of our consciousness, magically reveals itself as a worthy object of veneration. Our wound then manifests as a doorway to our healing, a portal through which we can glimpse our infinite potential.

Our neurosis is only truly removed, as Jung points out, when it removes the false attitude of the ego, which imagines the wound (and itself) as having a concrete, real existence whose cause lies in events that occurred in the remote past. Our neurosis thus can potentially teach us that its - and our - self-nature is empty of substantial, inherent existence, and is nothing other than a fluid function of our own creative imagination, our own consciousness. To say our wound is not separate from our own consciousness is to say that how our wound actually manifests is determined by the meaning we place on it, how we view it, the metaphors we use to contextualize it, and the story we tell ourselves about it. This realization points at the importance of the "storying" part of our psyche, i.e., the part of ourselves that is endlessly mythologizing, imagining, and dreaming through the events in our life, as if creating a work of living art, of flesh and blood fiction. Just like in a dream at night, there is a deeper part of ourselves that is literally the "author" of our experience, a fundamental aspect of ourselves which invests us with a genuine "authority" to create change in both ourselves, and by extension, the world around us.

Our neurosis itself is potentially teaching us that it does not exist solely in time, with its cause in the distant past; it also brings into question the very notion of time itself. Our wound, according to Jung, offers us "the opportunity of getting to know ourselves as we truly are." And as we get to know ourselves as we truly are, we realize that we are not constrained and circumscribed by linear time in the way we had previously imagined. The only "place" this realization can happen is the present moment, right now.

This now-centered realization of how linear time is but a fiction of our imagination can free us into new and undiscovered possibilities that had been previously thought to be impossible while we were imagining that we were bound by linear time. This is yet another example of how the inspired use of our awakening imagination can free us from mental straitjackets that we had been imagining ourselves to be bound by.

Interestingly, linear time is symbolized by the mythic Saturn/Cronos, "father time," whose shadow aspect is the negative patriarchy, which happens to be one of the deeper, underlying archetypal patterns wreaking unspeakable havoc in our world through its obsessive addiction to power, control, and domination. The figure of Saturn/Cronos is a binding and limiting power that is related to the element "lead," which is a symbol for the alchemical prima materia (often pictured as an old man). Saturn/Cronos's peculiar form of "blessing" * restraining us as it seemingly takes away our freedom - is always "cursed" by its recipient, and yet, is the very thing which inspires us to discover our own power and authority.

When we snap out of being spell-bound by linear time, we connect with the time-less, syn-chronis-tic dimension of our being where we discover that our universe is a living oracle, an unfolding revelation, which just like a dream, is speaking symbolically. To snap out of interpreting our experience linearly and literally and wake up to the nonlocal, holographic and dream-like nature of our universe is to symbolically "slay" the mythic, archetypal figure of the negative father. As if agents from "outside of time," we are then able to be of genuine benefit to others and to our world as a whole.

Our wound is already potentially healing us, and all that is needed for this process to jump-start and exponentially up-level itself so as to kick us into a higher gear is our recognition of what is, in fact, actually happening. Seen as a numinous event, the awesome and overwhelming quality of our wound potentially initiates us into a deeper dimension of our being. Jung points out that "Only something overwhelming, no matter what form of expression it uses, can challenge the whole man and force him to react as a whole." As a species, our wound is so overwhelming that it can potentially catalyze us to more deeply align with ourselves as well as open up and connect with each other so as to actively, creatively and collectively mobilize a deeper part of our wholeness.

We have dreamed up a situation for ourselves that challenges us to our core, forcing us to react not as separate, discrete entities who are "a-part" from each other and the whole, but as interrelated and interdependent parts of each other and the whole. Our wound is revealing to us that we can "sync-up" with each other through our shared, open-heart of collective lucidity and activate our latent collective genius so as to heal ourselves in a way which benefits everyone. A deeper, guiding intelligence becomes available to us when we reciprocally help each other to recognize our inherent unity, grounded in the intention of serving what is best for the whole.

Our wound is initiatory in that it is literally prodding and prompting us to evolve into a freer, more coherent, and higher order of ourselves. Hidden in our wound is its own re-solution. This is to say that the wound itself is an expression of the part of us, which, to speak from outside of linear time for a moment, is already healed. An expression of the ground of being, our wound connects us to life itself. We don't cure our wound. It cures us.

Paul Levy is an artist and a spiritually-informed political activist. A pioneer in the field of spiritual awakening, he is a healer in private practice, assisting others who are also awakening to the dream-like nature of reality. He is the author of The Madness of George Bush: A Reflection of Our Collective Psychosis, which is available on his website www.awakeninthedream.com. Please feel free to pass this article along to a friend if you feel so inspired. You can contact Paul at paul@awakeninthedream.com; he looks forward to your reflections. © Copyright 2007.


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[lapis]

foreverspirit,

Astrologically this same archetypal energy, consciousness, spiritual learning, is physically carried by the planetoid named Chiron which rules the Sign of Virgo.

[foreverspirit]

LAPIS,

Now I come across this, holy freakoli, what the freak is really going on!!:eek:


Apostle of Perversion
by William Norman Grigg


His influence is detectable wherever talk is heard of "archetypes" or the "collective unconscious." Those who speak of the "inner child" are reciting from his canon. His tenets and assumptions are retailed by psychiatrists, school counselors, and clergy. For millions of Americans, the writings and teachings of Carl Gustav Jung, who died in 1961, provide an authoritative guide to the inner life. Even more importantly, Jungian concepts guide many efforts to divest Christianity of its "patriarchal" character and to synthesize a globalist new world religion.

'Thirty-one years after the Swiss psychiatrist's death," observed U.S. News & World Report in 1992, "Jung's theories are surging in popularity, becoming a cultural touchstone, a lens for processing experience, in some cases almost a religion."

In fact, it is upon mainline religion that Jung's impact has been most pronounced. "In churches, quotes from Jung's work spill from the pulpit," continued U.S. News. "New Age publications sprinkle their pages liberally with Jungian buzzwords. Books on Jungian topics — most recently, 'Women Who Run With the Wolves,' by Jungian analyst Clarissa Pinkola Estes — are climbing the bestseller lists. And while the men's movement urges men to reconnect with the masculine archetype of the 'warrior,' drawing on Jung's notion of universal symbols buried in the human psyche, feminist writers encourage women to explore the 'goddess' inside them."


Influential Liar

Although most Americans would have difficulty recognizing his name, they certainly come within the ambit of Jung's cultural influence. U.S. News noted that Jung's posthumously published memoir, Memories, Dreams, Reflections, "became something of a counter-culture classic." In fact, according to Harvard Lecturer Richard Noll, Jung's memoir "has become one of the primary spiritual documents of the twentieth century," and Jung himself has emerged as "a clairvoyant sage, a miracle worker, a god-man who earn[ed] his apotheosis through his encounter with the Dead and with God." Noll's own assessment of Jung is rather less effusive: He regards Jung to be "the most influential liar of the 20th Century."

Jung's influence was in substantial measure a product of his association with the Rockefeller family, and he used it to advance the anti-biblical tenets of two of history's most notorious occultic movements — the Bavarian Illuminati and the Theosophical Society.

In his new book The Aryan Christ: The Secret Life of Carl Jung, Noll writes, "I am convinced by the historical evidence that Jung believed himself to be a religious prophet with extraordinary powers." It is not at all surprising that Jung felt a sense of religious vocation, as he came from a deeply religious family. "In my mother's family there were six parsons, and on my father's side not only was my father a parson, but two of my uncles also," wrote Jung. "Thus I heard many religious discussions, and sermons."

The Oxford Companion to the Bible points out that "Jung's early religious doubts seem to have centered around his conflicts toward his father and his deep-seated ambivalence, both toward his father and his father's religious views." In seeking a religious role model, Jung skipped a generation, overlooking his devout Christian father in favor of his grandfather, Karl Jung, who was equally devout in a markedly different fashion. Karl Gustav Jung was a noted medical doctor in Basel, Switzerland. A German by birth, Karl took up residence in Basel after being exiled from Prussia as a subversive. In Switzerland, recalls Noll, "[Karl] Jung joined a powerful secret society. In time, he became its supreme leader in Switzerland."

The society to which Noll refers is the Swiss successor organization to Adam Weishaupt's Bavarian Illuminati, which had been exposed and banned in the German principality in 1784. Noll points out that following the official suppression of the Illuminati, lodges of illuminated freemasons in Germany and Switzerland "continued to assemble and enact rituals under the guise of being patriotic clubs or philosophical societies." While living in Berlin, Karl Jung had become acquainted with one of these disguised Illuminists, Georg Andreas Reimel, who presided over a "Reading Society" in Berlin. Fraternal societies of this variety, observes Noll, were places where radicals could "congregate and conspire"; despite the supposed destruction of the Illuminati in Bavaria, "the Swiss lodges did not close down in the purges of the late 1780s and so were a haven for German Freemasons, both Illuminist and Rosicrucian."


Into the Occult

After abandoning conventional Christianity, Jung came to regard German philosopher Johann Wolfgang von Goethe as the "prophet of a new dispensation"; Goethe, like Jung's grandfather, was an Illuminist, having been initiated into the covert order in 1783. Unlike Karl Jung, however, Goethe — who like other idealists had been lured into the order by its pretense to humanitarianism — was never an ardent Illuminist and quickly became disenchanted with the order. Carl Jung's youthful enthusiasm for Goethe was a gateway into the arcane mysteries of Illuminism, and various forms of spiritualism.

Both Carl Jung and his grandfather memorized one of Goethe's more esoteric works, Die Gehemniesse (The Mysteries). Freighted with Masonic symbolism, the work is a tantalizing fragment, which ends before delivering the hidden wisdom promised by the author. Jung clearly considered himself the torchbearer for the illuminist vision foreshadowed in Goethe's poem. "Exactly one hundred years after Die Gehemniesse appeared in print, Carl Gustav Jung stood before a historic gathering of his disciples and delivered an inspirational address that spoke almost exclusively of spiritual matters — of self-deification, of overcomings, of disturbing the Dead, and of this poem," writes Dr. Noll. "The occasion of this talk was the founding of the Psychological Club, based on the new psychological theories he derived from the insights he received from his own visions and encounters with Philemon, his spiritual master."

"Philemon," a "spirit guide" who supposedly appeared to Jung in visions in the early years of this century, was an old man with the wings of a kingfisher. "It is from his discussions with Philemon ... that Jung received his most profound insights about the nature of the human psyche," observes Dr. Noll. By supposedly communing with Philemon, Jung developed his most influential ideas about the "collective unconscious" — through which all humans supposedly have access to shared spiritual concepts, figures, and symbols — and "archetypes," the common patterns that supposedly define humanity.

Psychoanalysis as Jung conceived it "was a separate spiritual path that one could take only after rejecting the faith of one's birth," writes Noll. To entice others to follow him on that path, Jung created a movement — a "holy order or secret society engaged in the redemptive work of the spirit. Here we find Jung reaching back to his [Illuminist] grandfather, hence completing the spiritual arc between them, invoking the words of Goethe and the occult symbols of the Freemasons and the Rosicrucians."


Breaking Moral Restraints

"Religion can only be replaced by religion," Jung once observed to an associate. Jung's new religion drew upon a centuriesold occult tradition to replace biblical institutions with an ethic of radical libertinism, especially sexual emancipation. One of his most important tutors was Otto Gross, a noted German drug peddler, anarchist, and criminal, who instructed Jung regarding the "virtues" of polygamy. "Gross captivated Jung with his theories of sexual liberation ... and his dreams of transforming the world through psychoanalysis," records Noll. Gross also put Jung in touch with "neopagans and Theosophists," who pursued the subversion of Bible-based society through covert organization.

To bring about the world that Jung and Gross sought, according to Noll, "The shackles of family, society, and Deity must be broken. To love freely, instinctively, guiltlessly, generously — to live polygamously — would unleash the ancient creative energies of the body and the unconscious mind and bring humans to a new level of being."

Jung certainly practiced what he preached: On January 3, 1910, he informed his wife in a letter, "The prerequisite for a good marriage, it seems to me, is a license to be unfaithful." "From at least 1909 onward," Noll points out, Jung "explicitly recommended the central tenet of Gross's philosophy — polygamy — to his male patients." The modem apostles of sexual libertinism — from Margaret Sanger to the contemporary "gay rights" movement —are in Jung's debt and following his lead.


A Helping Hand

Noll notes that Jung's "secret church" received some critical support in 1913, when Edith Rockefeller McCormick arrived in Zurich to receive treatment. The daughter of John D. Rockefeller and the wife of Harold McCormick, heir to the International Harvester fortune, "Edith became an analyst in the Jungian mode, a magic healer who interpreted the dreams of her patients and pointed out the divine elements in their artistic productions."

Writes Noll, "Rockefeller money introduced Jung to the English-speaking world and helped bring him the worldwide fame he has today." Financier Paul Mellon was another financial angel for the self-described deity, underwriting the translation and publication of Jung's German-language works in the 1940s. "The Rockefellers, the McCormicks, and the Mellons were three of America's wealthiest families, and we can only wonder whether Jung would be so popular today if he had not attracted and converted their women to his mysteria."

Jung was an initiate into an anti-biblical esoteric movement, and he consciously styled his religious crusade on the work of the anti-Christian Roman Emperor Julian. Noll's view is that "for a variety of technological factors — modern mass media being the most important — Jung has succeeded where Julian failed." Evidence of Jung's success can be found in the fact that "the patriarchal monotheism of the orthodox Judeo-Christian faiths has all but collapsed. Filling that void, however, we increasingly find Protestants, Catholics, and Jews adopting alternative, syncretic belief systems that often belie a basis in Jungian 'psychological' theories."

Those theories are entirely without scientific merit, and Dr. Noll's scholarly efforts to debunk Jung — which began in his 1994 book The Jung Cult — have earned the hostility of Jung's disciples. "Princeton University Press, which published The Jung Cult, pulled all the advertising on the book after it was published," Noll informed THE NEW AMERICAN. "Princeton Press counts on income from Jungian analysts, and they organized a letter-writing campaign against me and against the book, and issued some threats against the university. This sort of thing went on while Jung was alive, of course; he and his followers wouldn't tolerate dissent."

Noll himself has come under attack from Jung's disciples. "My reputation has come under assault in the press from Jungians, and some of the reviews of my books have been thinly disguised attacks on me," the Harvard researcher explained. "The treatment has been especially rough in new age publications like Gnosis, for instance." Many of the attacks have been inspired by religious devotion to a supposed prophet, but some of them are rooted in simple economic interest. "Jungian analysis is a lucrative field, and in some instances one can become a Jungian analyst without displaying credentials or submitting to peer scrutiny," Noll explained to THE NEW AMERICAN. "There are many people who have a vested interest in concealing the fact that Jung's theories and concepts are unmitigated gibberish."

Gibberish they may be, but Jung's theories and concepts have proven to be dangerous and destructive nonetheless.

[lapis]

foreverspirit,

Personally I don't know about these old guys and what they're talking about, but I do know about astrology and Chiron. This archetype existed long before these men so I'm not sure what your confused about or how to answer your question.

Here's a suggestion- goolge Chiron and read about his "myth", his birth, life and death etc. because that will answer many things I'm sure. After that, apply that "myth", that archetypal energy to the Virgo people you know (and Pisces folks as well) for more insights. Also understand that everyone has Chiron (just like Mars and Jupiter etc) in some Sign in a particular house in their birth chart and that will show how and where this particular archetype will be experienced, lived, and played out through each of us.

[foreverspirit]

foreverspirit,

Personally I don't know about these old guys and what they're talking about, but I do know about astrology and Chiron. This archetype existed long before these men so I'm not sure what your confused about or how to answer your question.

Here's a suggestion- goolge Chiron and read about his "myth", his birth, life and death etc. because that will answer many things I'm sure. After that, apply that "myth", that archetypal energy to the Virgo people you know (and Pisces folks as well) for more insights. Also understand that everyone has Chiron (just like Mars and Jupiter etc) in some Sign in a particular house in their birth chart and that will show how and where this particular archetype will be experienced, lived, and played out through each of us.


Lapis:

Thanks, but I could never get into myths - mythology. But again thanks!:cool:

[alexph777]

Yes I do cry but not as much as I should - to would allow the healing to flow.

From the heart centre due to lost love or no love.

[cyberdaemon]

I often feel i am in no better situation than those who were in concentration camps.That makes me feel sad :(

[rebel ins]

I can't cry at all, is that bad?

[popeye11]

Yep! I am certainly glad to find this thread because a day does not go by that I do not cry. I cry if I am joyful. I cry if I am sad. I cry for reasons that I don't even know. I have done this for several years and before I started waking up, I hardly ever cried. I am not the winey type so this has been confusing. I thought perhaps I was losing it. It is good to find out that this is just a normal process for some of us waking up.

Love

Popeye

[lostinstrangeworld]

I have found that since I have started looking into so called "alternative" news.And since experiencing a partial awakening That I cry all the time.

Whether I am struck by the beauty of something or I am empathising with somebody elses pain, it comes suddenly and chokes me up.

By the way I`m not getting old yet :)

Anybody else get this?

Maybe it's all been locked up for so long....this inner beauty/ empathy you have....that now it's all pouring out in a way which can be overwhelming.

That's my theory.

Either way, this is good :)