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Just how long do we have to stock up on food and kit before everything breaks down and there's no one to buy any from?
simplify
25-03-2009, 07:50 AM
Just how long do we have to stock up on food and kit before everything breaks down and there's no one to buy any from?
take a look in the crystal ball:D
mountainwarrior
25-03-2009, 09:33 AM
bob chapman of internationalforecaster.com says 2-3 years.
fear mongers will have you believe tomorrow.
who fucking knows.
rydeon
25-03-2009, 11:18 AM
Just how long do we have to stock up on food and kit before everything breaks down and there's no one to buy any from?
About 2 years if things continue to get worse.
It'll likely be a slow break-down more than likely.
wazaaap
25-03-2009, 03:32 PM
It is not the case to stock up like mad - you are best to just buy a tin extra when you do a shop and store it - it is a gradual thing.
until you run out of space.
jonas parker
25-03-2009, 04:34 PM
I guess it's like this. I'd rather be stocked up and not need the supplies for 2-3 years than not be stocked up and need the supplies next month.
mightiswrong
25-03-2009, 05:17 PM
Tinned food is unhealthy. A food garden planted with heirloom seeds is what you want. Look where the money is headed:
On the other hand, there are enough people willing to gather wholesome, ecologically pure crops, and in doing so to pay 18 to 20 times more for the products than in the usual commercial network.
http://www.krameterhof.at/en/index.php?id=rueckblick
tom bombadil
27-03-2009, 08:58 PM
Just how long do we have to stock up on food and kit before everything breaks down and there's no one to buy any from?
Hi. Did you mean how long before the SHTF or how long, once it has, would we need to store for?
Tom.
ok what I mean is - how long do we have until the socioeconomic breakdown get's to the point where money is worthless and therefore businesses which sell food, fuel and such no longer accept money to trade?
I want to buy all the shit that me and my immediate family will need to survive before that aforementioned point is reached!
rydeon
29-03-2009, 06:21 PM
Tinned food is unhealthy. A food garden planted with heirloom seeds is what you want. Look where the money is headed:
http://www.krameterhof.at/en/index.php?id=rueckblick
Tinned food is fine as long as the metal is undamaged.
gordysmit
29-03-2009, 06:27 PM
Nothing going to happen :o
tom bombadil
29-03-2009, 08:34 PM
ok what I mean is - how long do we have until the socioeconomic breakdown get's to the point where money is worthless and therefore businesses which sell food, fuel and such no longer accept money to trade?
I want to buy all the shit that me and my immediate family will need to survive before that aforementioned point is reached!
The first part is impossable to answer for most of us. We just dont know what is 'planed' by TPTB. But I will say that one can do just that now (where money is worthless and therefore businesses which sell food, fuel and such no longer accept money to trade), if you wish. That is to say that if you want to 'trade' your own skills, then why not try?
A bussiness would soon go out of the loop if it did not use cash or credit (via a credit card or debit card) for the majority of its trade. However, if the firm is small enough to survive on a local scale, then it could start sooner in the barter bussiness. Batering is tax free so it would be in the best intrests of TPTB to not allow it to start on a grand scale in the first place.
Barter is a problem for TPTB in that the two (or more) doing the bartering dont even need a 'substance'. They can barter trades, or rather their own labour. Remember that all money or credit is created by TPTB purely on the amount of labour that any given individual can generate in 'its' lifetime. So for the system of exchange that uses a comodity that can not be quantied (or find it hard to do so) or measure to work for TPTB, they will have to clamp down hard. They are in the US now.
The use of permision (a licence) to grow or be some trade or other, is how TPTB gain control again.
That is by-the-by.
The second part, the ''I want to buy all the shit that....'' can start now. Why not?
You will need space to farm animals, to grow their food, to grow your own, to heat your home to supply your 'farm' with all the bits that wear out. You therefore need workshop space to supply yourselves with the tools neccersery to continue the 'farm' as it was in its hey-day. Tough one.
The problem with thinking that one needs (not suggesting you are) everything (''all the shit'') from a quad to a fishing lure to continue to live (rather than just survive and not be on top) is that to maintain that level of living, one would need to also have a smelting facility and a tin mine to stay on top. Also on the same lines, storing food for life is a no-no.
So to truly answer your question I will say this;
If you start now and learn to grow the food just for yourselves, and to from now only buy tools that have wood at its heart and to use tools that only need sharpening rather than reparing. And find the land (small is fine, it depends on your needs) to grow timber and food (fodder, crops, animals ect) then that is all you do need. If you truly want to bring all those in your family together then you are talking about a community, and that would make the acusition of land easier, cash and property owned by all. So you need to find out now if it just for you and the wife and kids, or for all you love.
You can grow all the veg you need in a very small space for the year.
After you know what you need (rather than want) then you start to think what you can do to trade. What would truly be required for the post cash life? Some examples to get you mind flowing would be; Growing spices in a poly tunnel, coffee, nuts and other 'exotic' foods. Making clothes (with all its tools like a loom, sewing device ect). Making potery, making tools (blacksmith). Providing a service like repair of wearing down equipment (we all will know how soon, but it will be a while). Roadent control with a couple of dogs or firearms.
Have I answerd your query? If not I will try my best to help as we should all stick together on this.
Tom.
tom bombadil
29-03-2009, 08:37 PM
Nothing going to happen :o
I hope so. But my way of thinking will also help most folk out to think and act away from the 'percived' PTB problem.
If one wants to feel safer by acting on their own then I will, if I can help anyone.
A comunity is what is needed to survive.
Tom :)
Nothing going to happen :o
I for one hope you are right.
The first part is impossable to answer for most of us. We just dont know what is 'planed' by TPTB. But I will say that one can do just that now (where money is worthless and therefore businesses which sell food, fuel and such no longer accept money to trade), if you wish. That is to say that if you want to 'trade' your own skills, then why not try?
A bussiness would soon go out of the loop if it did not use cash or credit (via a credit card or debit card) for the majority of its trade. However, if the firm is small enough to survive on a local scale, then it could start sooner in the barter bussiness. Batering is tax free so it would be in the best intrests of TPTB to not allow it to start on a grand scale in the first place.
Barter is a problem for TPTB in that the two (or more) doing the bartering dont even need a 'substance'. They can barter trades, or rather their own labour. Remember that all money or credit is created by TPTB purely on the amount of labour that any given individual can generate in 'its' lifetime. So for the system of exchange that uses a comodity that can not be quantied (or find it hard to do so) or measure to work for TPTB, they will have to clamp down hard. They are in the US now.
The use of permision (a licence) to grow or be some trade or other, is how TPTB gain control again.
That is by-the-by.
The second part, the ''I want to buy all the shit that....'' can start now. Why not?
You will need space to farm animals, to grow their food, to grow your own, to heat your home to supply your 'farm' with all the bits that wear out. You therefore need workshop space to supply yourselves with the tools neccersery to continue the 'farm' as it was in its hey-day. Tough one.
The problem with thinking that one needs (not suggesting you are) everything (''all the shit'') from a quad to a fishing lure to continue to live (rather than just survive and not be on top) is that to maintain that level of living, one would need to also have a smelting facility and a tin mine to stay on top. Also on the same lines, storing food for life is a no-no.
So to truly answer your question I will say this;
If you start now and learn to grow the food just for yourselves, and to from now only buy tools that have wood at its heart and to use tools that only need sharpening rather than reparing. And find the land (small is fine, it depends on your needs) to grow timber and food (fodder, crops, animals ect) then that is all you do need. If you truly want to bring all those in your family together then you are talking about a community, and that would make the acusition of land easier, cash and property owned by all. So you need to find out now if it just for you and the wife and kids, or for all you love.
You can grow all the veg you need in a very small space for the year.
After you know what you need (rather than want) then you start to think what you can do to trade. What would truly be required for the post cash life? Some examples to get you mind flowing would be; Growing spices in a poly tunnel, coffee, nuts and other 'exotic' foods. Making clothes (with all its tools like a loom, sewing device ect). Making potery, making tools (blacksmith). Providing a service like repair of wearing down equipment (we all will know how soon, but it will be a while). Roadent control with a couple of dogs or firearms.
Have I answerd your query? If not I will try my best to help as we should all stick together on this.
Tom.
In a small plot you say, but what if people are living in a flat? Would planting in pots be okay granted you may have many many pots around?
I seems I would excel on these bits but not on the growing food part.
"Making clothes (with all its tools like a loom, sewing device ect). Making pottery, making tools (blacksmith)."
tracker
25-04-2009, 10:55 AM
I guess it's like this. I'd rather be stocked up and not need the supplies for 2-3 years than not be stocked up and need the supplies next month.
thats true because if nothing happens one could always eat the food , save the cash and go on a hard earned holiday .
if nothing happens its a bonus both ways
but if it does ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? :cool:
jonas parker
25-04-2009, 05:46 PM
If this swine/bird flu that's rampant in Mexico goes pandemic, we all have one whole helluva lot less time than we thought. Dunno if this story has made the BBC yet, but us medical types (and former medical types) are watching this situation very closely! Cases are being reported this AM in California, Texas, and New York.
hunter77
25-04-2009, 06:14 PM
If this swine/bird flu that's rampant in Mexico goes pandemic, we all have one whole helluva lot less time than we thought. Dunno if this story has made the BBC yet, but us medical types (and former medical types) are watching this situation very closely! Cases are being reported this AM in California, Texas, and New York.
saw this on the news this morning, looks quite bad, keep us posted jonas
craig oxley predicts this june will be chaos. the country will default this may.