Evidence for 2012.

[shrouded]

This is my first post on this website, although I have surfed the forums for a little while.

Im not really one for posting, and these are most certainly not doctored and manipulated pictures in anyway.

The software: Stellarium free to download online, and is used by astronomers all over the world for its accurate readings of the stars.

I am an amateur astronomer, and i have used it regularly for over a year.

A little while ago, i decided to put in the date 23/12/2012 at 11.11am for obvious reasons.


I have print screened two images but i have no idea how to post images up on this sight? Can anyone help me? Or give me an e-mail i an forward them to?

You will see for yourself how interesting they are, freaked me out a little bit, not often you see visual evidence for 2012.

Thanks

[dallas18]

go to www.tinypic.com to upload your images for free they will give you a link where you can paste the images here

[shrouded]

Here s the link!

http://i41.tinypic.com/256u69k.jpg

i really do hope it works!

[thirdwave]

This is my first post on this website, although I have surfed the forums for a little while.

Im not really one for posting, and these are most certainly not doctored and manipulated pictures in anyway.

The software: Stellarium free to download online, and is used by astronomers all over the world for its accurate readings of the stars.

I am an amateur astronomer, and i have used it regularly for over a year.

A little while ago, i decided to put in the date 23/12/2012 at 11.11am for obvious reasons.


I have print screened two images but i have no idea how to post images up on this sight? Can anyone help me? Or give me an e-mail i an forward them to?

You will see for yourself how interesting they are, freaked me out a little bit, not often you see visual evidence for 2012.

Thanks

when hit post and the post screen comes up... scroll down and hit "Manage attachment".. a box will come up, hit the "brows" button next to "upload file from your computer" then find where the picture file is in your PC.. and hit "upload" .. wait a while and then post the post as normal and it should come up....

you might need to make the picture files smaller if they are too big.

[shrouded]

Did the above link not work?

[thirdwave]

yes it works fine.. i posted before i saw it..

[thirdwave]

very interesting pic..

[barbitone]

Wow! Almost perfect straight line! :eek:

[tothestars]

Wow!

[sgabllab]

I'm a little confused by the pic. At first it looked to me as if they were all lined up but it has pluto next to the sun.:confused:
Is this a side view of the solar system?

[venividivici2311]

ceuwl,i never even thougt of doing that
nice one!i'll check it out for myself.
:D

[lightblessins]

real nice i love it, tho i think it will be a prefect stright line. :)

[shrouded]

The image is from my co-ordinates in northern england. It is how the sky would look as i opened my window. The equator for example might have a slightly different perspective and therefore pluto might just be in line aswell?

The image has the ground removed due to it being winter and the sun being so low in the sky even coming up to 12 noon.

It is facing south east as you can tell by the points on the map.

It is such a pity that we wont be able to see it as they all surround the sun :(

It is a fact that they will all align, the question is what else will happen on that day? You can see why the Mayan calendar ends on that day.

Does aybody kow when al 8 planets the sun and moon where last in a full alignment like this?

[hank_scorpio]

No scientific model is accurate. Lol?

[thirdwave]

The image is from my co-ordinates in northern england. It is how the sky would look as i opened my window. The equator for example might have a slightly different perspective and therefore pluto might just be in line aswell?

The image has the ground removed due to it being winter and the sun being so low in the sky even coming up to 12 noon.

It is facing south east as you can tell by the points on the map.

It is such a pity that we wont be able to see it as they all surround the sun :(

It is a fact that they will all align, the question is what else will happen on that day? You can see why the Mayan calendar ends on that day.

Does aybody kow when al 8 planets the sun and moon where last in a full alignment like this?

I personally don't think something will suddenly happen I think we are already experiencing a gradual change and that will simply be the most potent point... but who knows..

[astrochicken]

The downside of stellarium is that, as an observer, you're allways on earth.

[shrouded]

No scientific model is accurate. Lol?

the planets of this solar system have been consistent and accurately mapped for thousands of years, the mayan calendar is one of the most accurate calendars ever made and is based purely on star cycles.

Unless in th next 4 years something drastic happens to change the orbits of all these planets this is what will happen. IF something large enough e.ga meteor/ planet/ something with incredible gravity, changed the orbit of one of more of the planets. Planetary alignment is the least of our problems. As it stands its as accurate as anything you will see regarding planetary orbits. If you dont believe me e-mail the designers or any one of the observatories that use it on a daily basis.

Of course you can only see it from earth, isnt that the point lol. isnt 2012 regarding changes to the earth. Most things you can only see from earth as that is ur reference point. I dont really understand the point you were trying to make at all?

Nothing is guaranteed, but this is as close as your likely to come regarding geuine evidence for 2012. I really havent seen much on the web that can compare to fact.

Would love to see some though if anyone has any links.

[thirdwave]

the planets of this solar system have been consistent and accurately mapped for thousands of years, the mayan calendar is one of the most accurate calendars ever made and is based purely on star cycles.

Unless in th next 4 years something drastic happens to change the orbits of all these planets this is what will happen. IF something large enough e.ga meteor/ planet/ something with incredible gravity, changed the orbit of one of more of the planets. Planetary alignment is the least of our problems. As it stands its as accurate as anything you will see regarding planetary orbits. If you dont believe me e-mail the designers or any one of the observatories that use it on a daily basis.

Of course you can only see it from earth, isnt that the point lol. isnt 2012 regarding changes to the earth. Most things you can only see from earth as that is ur reference point. I dont really understand the point you were trying to make at all?

Nothing is guaranteed, but this is as close as your likely to come regarding geuine evidence for 2012. I really havent seen much on the web that can compare to fact.

Would love to see some though if anyone has any links.


oh just wait for all the sceptics to put down their cards... anything but admit its possible that this is all relevant in some way. *if you cant put it on your coffee table, then its not real*

[majorlee]

im sure the date has a lot of significance

but my g/f said to me....

its all based on the gregorian calander....

what if the calender is out by a few years? could mean this is the year of big changes!!!

food for thought :)

peace

[thirdwave]

im sure the date has a lot of significance

but my g/f said to me....

its all based on the gregorian calander....

what if the calender is out by a few years? could mean this is the year of big changes!!!

food for thought :)

peace



I think they have managed to transferee the times to our calender pretty accurately.... as there was another calender the Mayans used for farming and stuff that was smiler to the Gregorian....

I think there has been a little dispute over the actual year though.. I think some think it is 2011 ... and there was even 2008 come up...

But I also think this can be just disinfo as people know if enough predictions fail then the attention deteriorates... which Is why I am not held up on dates to much.... for me you can look around and open your eyes and you can see it going on first hand.... we are in it.

[majorlee]

yeah i agree

only the sleeping sheep will not see the massive changes coming

i keep positive and look forward to our amazing future but keepin firmly seated in the present :)

roll on 2012 - whatever it has in store, its gunna be dead interesting :D

peace

[hank_scorpio]

Were in full control of our own futures and always have been. Im not waiting for ANYTHING im concentrating on becoming self-sufficient and at the point where I won't need money.

Mayan calender says 3500 years 'niburu' comes, why is there no evidence of this claim. Maybe the translator made a mistake. Anybody even thought of that?

Fuck I can't wait for 2012 now just so people will shut the fuck up. But then again when 2012 comes, ummm it wasn't 2012 it was 2024....Thats what WILL and always happened. Planet X has been coming for decades now the dates keep changing...

2012 the big solar storm IS what will cause massive damage to the energy infrastructure if this species hasn't destroyed itself by then.

[barbitone]

Mayan calender says 3500 years 'niburu' comes,

Is that right? 'You sure about that? :rolleyes:

[lezenko]

Mayan calender says 3500 years 'niburu' comes, why is there no evidence of this claim. Maybe the translator made a mistake.

How ironic hahah

[thirdwave]

Were in full control of our own futures and always have been. Im not waiting for ANYTHING im concentrating on becoming self-sufficient and at the point where I won't need money.

I dont think anyone is... however they are interesting facts.


Mayan calender says 3500 years 'niburu' comes, why is there no evidence of this claim. Maybe the translator made a mistake. Anybody even thought of that?

The Mayans said nothing about Niburu. you are talking about the Semerians who were about before the Mayans...


Fuck I can't wait for 2012 now just so people will shut the fuck up.
I doubt very much you will notice anything, if you have not noticed anything different already.


But then again when 2012 comes, ummm it wasn't 2012 it was 2024....Thats what WILL and always happened. Planet X has been coming for decades now the dates keep changing...

What is it you assume people are expecting in that date?

2012 the big solar storm IS what will cause massive damage to the energy infrastructure if this species hasn't destroyed itself by then.
Well maybe this is what will happen?. What will physically happen (if anything) on this date is very much anyone's guess...

[soxism]

If people do their Research Also... Remember how much the Myans Loved their Sun!

The Sun every x amount of years changes it magnetic poles. So South becomes North, and North Becomes South.. It also indicated Massive Massive Activity within the Sun...

2012 just happens to be the year that Our Sun changes its Magnetic poles.

Already The Global warming Bullshit Feed to us, 'they' always seem to forget to mention the MAJOR influencing factor of heat on earth.. The SUN!

With More Electro magnetic activity within the Sun means an increase in many form, but for this point, Heat...

So.. Lets work with;


if we are All Energy.. why wouldnt the Sun's Electro activity effect us on a conscience level?
if we are all an infinite conscientiousness, and the Sun is coming to full power around 2012...

Why wouldn't that indicate that we will proceed to be more "mentally" stimulated and the possibility of a mass awakening... maybe even for some being able to connect to the 4th dimention



Its my view that much of the 2012 stuff that has to do with Fear is all the illuminati's disinformation... If they keep us fearful we keep empowering them.. we have nothing to worry about 2012.. The more i read, the more im starting to think even Planet X is all Disinformation Fear.. if it was real, it most certinally wouldnt be in the 3rd Dimention or how ever we see it.

Also to Ask yourself, why is it that 2012 is such an important date to the illuminati.. why do they not want us to learn the truth?

[broadperspective]

So.. Lets work with;


if we are All Energy.. why wouldnt the Sun's Electro activity effect us on a conscience level?
if we are all an infinite conscientiousness, and the Sun is coming to full power around 2012...

Why wouldn't that indicate that we will proceed to be more "mentally" stimulated and the possibility of a mass awakening... maybe even for some being able to connect to the 4th dimention.

Also to Ask yourself, why is it that 2012 is such an important date to the illuminati.. why do they not want us to learn the truth?

I agree and I would add that besides the sun, there might also be other ''energy'' influences coming from unknown phenomenas....within and outside our galaxy.

[disorder2k8]

note sure if anyone has posted this
Dr. Michio Kaku - 2012 Solar Storms Are Coming
http://disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/19942/Dr__Michio_Kaku___2012_Solar_Storms_Are_Coming/

[soxism]

note sure if anyone has posted this
Dr. Michio Kaku - 2012 Solar Storms Are Coming
http://disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/19942/Dr__Michio_Kaku___2012_Solar_Storms_Are_Coming/


I haven't Read THIS particular article, but if it has anything Massively Negative in it, like the end of the world blah, i'll palm it off as propaganda



EDIT: So I Had a quick watch.. "A short interview from fox news" ...Fox News.. Like Hell anything they give you is "News"... and untill i've done research i wouldnt be too quickly to believe Dr Michio Kaku either..

The Video is Full of FEAR.. Oh No Watch out! It will Wipe out TV, GPS oh No! Etc....


Yes the Sun will be Massively More Active. But it WILL NOT Destory Earth.. as they want you to keep believing...


Seriously Stop buying into such our right propoganda

[branjo]

Begin rant
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If the event aspect of 2012 were to happen right now there would be evidence to support that it may do us harm, "but as we are now".

Many scientists have began to see a development in the Biology of human beings, I will take Bruce Lipton for example, as he is for me the introduction to the Jaw dropping world of New Biology and is a man that should be listened to.

He has said in a very entertaining and enlightening way that the environment is the deciding factor of who you are and what your are, interesting.

The cell membrane is what receives the changes in the environment not the DNA, the DNA is told what to do by the environment that is dictating it. When the environment changes, and it is changing in amazing ways and so will our planet, ie heating up, slowing its rotation, loosing magnetism, and gaining in frequency.

So by that basic understanding when our own environment changes, we will be also changing and there is no doubt in any of our minds that things are indeed changing around us, in every perceivable way.
So if our skin (which is our body's membrane) begins to receive more or a different kind of radiation the internal organs will adapt to it, they will do this by each individual cell membrane receiving a signal and the DNA within it will change to what ever the new environment demands. Who knows what we may be immune to or be able to withstand.

If you could tell a caterpillar "go to sleep and when you wake up you will be able to fly" I bet it would say "I know" or "Bollocks, you're off your rocker pal". :D

So judging the effects or possible effects of 2012 here and now, isn't going to give a good point of reference because we are in the midst of changing every single thing about ourselves. We think we are all learning about this kind of stuff because we are getting older and more mature, partly true but we also have to understand that our environment is dictating we have to change or else we will slip into a slow coma and that will be the end of this particular civilization cycle, not out of catastrophe, but out of a refusal to adapt. We must raise our own frequency and stop gravitating to anyone else like an emotional crutch. Our best chance is to listen to our very own soul that has probably gone through this event many times before, it just has fun seeing the ego freak out every time ..lol

Refusal to adapt is the number one cause of the extinction of any species, like if your a tree dwelling monkey and a big fire wipes out your forest, you are going to have to eat different foods and learn how to run or you'll either starve or get eaten by something faster or hungrier.

Lately drastic changes are happening within us all and I find myself constantly reminded that I am doing and saying things that I vowed never to say or do. I am actually trying to develop a spiritual connection with the world around me when before, I couldn't have cared any less, and thought it safer to just giggle with the rest at the person who would say such a thing.

The most coolest aspect that I think we have enough information for now is that if your bedroom gets the sun in the morning then you are going to have to move to the other side of the house if you want it to stay that way.

Its more common sense really that if you pass the equator on earth the natural rotation of the vortex will slow, stop and spin in the other direction.
Why would the Galactic equator be any different?, the reason the magnetic poles are jumping around the planet is because the force that held them in place is getting weaker so the deviation happens, maybe because of the "moon" too which sparks of an entirely different debate as to its natural purpose or its given purpose. <---Insert Richard Hoagland video here--->

There is a 4 hour lecture by Greg Braden who is feckin awesome btw, and he can make this a lot clearer than I possibly could, but he brings up ancient Hopi (I think its Hopi) and Peruvian ancient knowledge, the Hopi talk about the long day, and the tribes of Peru talk of the long night (opposite sides of the Earth). The Hopi say the sun rose as normal as it did everyday "in the west! and set again in the east" and then "rose again in the east and set in the west" this caused intense focus of heat for a part of the planet that was used to a cycle of heat and cold in the proper timescale, the Peruvians had the opposite effect, no sun, until it returned from the same side it set.

Who knows this could be the reason for the desolate areas of the world, an intense solar (or lack of) period could disrupt the plant and animal kingdom enough to confuse it and produce enough of a rift in the Eco system, maybe enough to possibly ruin it?

If we have even the slightest bit of knowledge that this has happened before then its happened for a hell of a long time before that. The earth could land on completely different areas every time and bake the crap out of them, I don't think we will be like running through the streets on fire but I think everyone should invest in a good hat and shades or gloves and a scarf, lol.

If the Earth slows to a stop and rotates the other way, I doubt it would send you flying like a bus driver slamming on the brakes and everyone ending up with noses pushed against the windscreen, it will be as gradual as it can be. I have heard about this time period being as long as 3 days, or one 72 hour day...lol. Who knows for sure really?

So 2012 for me will either be a bloody hot week or very cold week, but not anything we can't handle, we aren't as helpless as the countless Youtube videos talking about death and destruction and how its the end try to make it out to be. If you believe its the end then I would borrow as much money from a bank as you can get and have an awesome time, but I think we all know deep down you would have to pay it back.....lol.

If this band of energy is freaking you out then the last time we went through it, 26,000 years ago would mean that we all died and are not actually here or else its completely survivable. But now the new twist is, this time around there will be an evolutionary step attached to it....ooooh! who knows maybe I will be able to lift the DVD remote with my thoughts. Beats getting up off my lazy arse to go get it.:D

Well maybe I didn't cross all the T's or dot the I's with my slant on the information the right way but this is my general wonderment of this absolutely amazing time to be alive. Always trying to learn always trying to make sense, and always prepared to be wrong :)

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End rant

[soxism]

Begin rant

Interesting Read Branjo.. Shall looking into this Bruce Lipton a bit more...

[disorder2k8]

I haven't Read THIS particular article, but if it has anything Massively Negative in it, like the end of the world blah, i'll palm it off as propaganda



EDIT: So I Had a quick watch.. "A short interview from fox news" ...Fox News.. Like Hell anything they give you is "News"... and untill i've done research i wouldnt be too quickly to believe Dr Michio Kaku either..

The Video is Full of FEAR.. Oh No Watch out! It will Wipe out TV, GPS oh No! Etc....


Yes the Sun will be Massively More Active. But it WILL NOT Destory Earth.. as they want you to keep believing...


Seriously Stop buying into such our right propoganda


He didnt say it would destroy earth, he just said it would knock out anything electrical, which a solar/magnetic/electrical wave can potentially do

[branjo]

You will not be disappointed Soxism, Bruce Lipton is an extremely interesting Guy, he doesn't bombard you with crazy sounded technical terms, whatever he talks about he reduces the explanation to something we can all understand. I find this a very important thing to be able to do, as it doesn't alienate the beginner like me right of the bat, ya know.

He had done an experiment where he actually removed the DNA from a cell and then changed the environment of the single cell and the cell did nothing different, just kept on plodding along doing what it was doing before the DNA was removed, but didn't react to the environment. When he put it back in it started to react again, So the DNA is basically like a box of tools the Cell needs to adapt and change.

He is a very spiritual man as well and understands that DNA is directly affected by the emotions not only of the person owning them but by the other people around us which is part of our environment too. So the most basic advice of "Staying Positive" is scientifically proven to be a very large part of healing and our immune systems

Stress being put on a person lowers their immune system and shortens the spiral of the DNA where as feelings of joy will turn it into the long gentle spiral we are used to seeing, Death leaves it looking like train tracks.

Sorry to run off at the fingers again, but its kind of exciting info for someone like me who while in school would have used any old excuse to get out of boring science's cause I just didn't get it, not that many teachers did anything but read from a book too.

Another few of guys worth checking out ( if you haven't already that is) that will leave you feeling quite different after you hear what they have to say are,

Greg Braden - Who deals with Ancient spirituality and the holographic/fractal design
David Wilcock - 2012 and what it could mean, lots of information of a number of things
Nassim Haramein - Physics and the structure of the Vacuum, Sacred Geometry and the Unification of Einstein field equations through the dynamics of "spin". Plus he touches on the ancients and historical events from our own young history, a top notch "self taught" physicist.
Terence Mckenna - The man was a wealth of knowledge on Shamanistic cultures and the multidimensional aspect to sacred plants, and 2012, a truly wonderful man, that is missed.
Stephen Greer - Zero point energy and Alien Hoaxes to induce fear of ET's, the "enemies where there are none" approach to ET encounters.

Hand on heart I can honestly say these guys have undeniably changed my perspective.

Im glad more and more of us are taking an interest in the calm and rational sense of 2012 and not just screaming about all the fear that will inherently come with it, look at "Y2k" it was just the "possibility" of electrical systems needing recalibrating and look at the crazy's that came out about that one....lol. Fear is the only thing that has ever kept the human race down, and now somehow we are all on the same page, no one not even the indigenous tribes of the world haven't heard about the Galactic alignment and the event of 2012.

Whatever happens we need to meet it with open eyes and open hearts or through fear our cells will just shut down our DNA and that could be the excuse for those to say "I told you so". For me the future is exceedingly bright, and I aim to accept what ever the Universe has in store for me, lol cause if we don't, what are we gonna do, argue with it? :D.

[soxism]

You will not be disappointed Soxism

...................

Greg Braden - Who deals with Ancient spirituality and the holographic/fractal design
David Wilcock - 2012 and what it could mean, lots of information of a number of things
Nassim Haramein - Physics and the structure of the Vacuum, Sacred Geometry and the Unification of Einstein field equations through the dynamics of "spin". Plus he touches on the ancients and historical events from our own young history, a top notch "self taught" physicist.
Terence Mckenna - The man was a wealth of knowledge on Shamanistic cultures and the multidimensional aspect to sacred plants, and 2012, a truly wonderful man, that is missed.
Stephen Greer - Zero point energy and Alien Hoaxes to induce fear of ET's, the "enemies where there are none" approach to ET encounters.

.................

Im glad more and more of us are taking an interest in the calm and rational sense of 2012 and not just screaming about all the fear that will inherently come with it, look at "Y2k" it was just the "possibility" of electrical systems needing recalibrating and look at the crazy's that came out about that one....lol. Fear is the only thing that has ever kept the human race down, and now somehow we are all on the same page, no one not even the indigenous tribes of the world haven't heard about the Galactic alignment and the event of 2012.

Greatly Appreciate the info branjo.. On your list The Last Two Names Really Leap out at me.. How Highly Icke speaks of Credo Mutwa i have been wanting some more reliable info about Shamanistic cultures and the multidimensional aspect..

Will Look forward to reading!

[shrouded]

I'm glad so many people have taken the time to view the image,

I agree with Branjo's way of thinking completely.

There is no need to fear the future no matter what is going to happen. We will never know for sure until those days come and go and we can turn on the news or look out of the window and see it physically for ourselves.

What I do know is that 2-3 years ago I did'nt have a clue about any of this stuff. I thought the universe was too much of a paradox to even waste time with, ET's were science fiction and scare tactics and spiritualism was a nice word for crazy people.

it seems almost daily that i feel more connected with the earth and the true environment around me. I know some people might not grasp what i'm saying, but it feels alot like waking up. I study cell biology at university and the complexity of cells and genetics is incredible. For anyone to to say "The body ould never do this or that could never happen" really does not appreciate just what the body does on a daily basis anyway just to keep you free to say how useless it is.

23/12/2012 is an important day for humanity, but it is the build up towards that day by human beings that is far more important.

You could scan the internet all day and night reading countless theories, everything from the end of the world to an alien invasion, but I would honestly suggest just enjoying life and finding the real beauty and symmetry in nature and the world around you.

( oh and just stock up on alcohol in case it is bad news ;) )

[watson_k]

Errr...Has the date changed from 21st December 2012 to 23rd ?

[branjo]

Errr...Has the date changed from 21st December 2012 to 23rd ?

Best to just not plan anything for the whole weekend, just in case :D

[mister x]

Hi,

I wanted to share and ask something that was brought to my attention a couple of days ago, and psych... you'll like this one mate, hold onto your hat.

In a political forum I attend a new user joined only 3 days ago. His first post was in a thread I had 'posted in' the day before answering another user's remarks/question. Here is what he said verbatim:

Hey, I'm new to this site. My friend told me about it because I was banned from another site. Maybe some of you have heard of it? It's called Prisonplanet.com They banned me because I have hard evidence of something HUGE that the media has been lying about. I am not going to say or show what I have until I am given the ok. I do not wish to be banned again for speaking the truth and backing it with PURE PROOF. I just want to let people know what's out there so that they can possibly prepare and not take these days for granted. You see, people say "well i'd rather not know" I just can't see how that is. If you don't know, then you may take these days for granted. If you KNOW, then you can live each day the best that you can and start preparing for what is coming. Once again....I have HARD evidence and WANT to share it, but I will not until I am given the ok. I was banned once and everything that I posted was deleted because of my evidence.

Two hours later, another well known user of the board responds to him with this:

Prisonplanet shows you having 44 posts. So maybe all of your work was not deleted.
I would suggest you read the forum rules... and then make appropriate posts.

Soon after, I sent him a PM telling him that I wanted to see what he had whether or not he posted it in the forum and left him with my email. To which he replied the next day with this, verbatim:

I read your last post. I like the way you think. I'm a very suspicious person now. I didn't use to be until I started digging deep in the conspiracies that make up this world. My evidence is of Nibiru or some may call it "Planet X". Here's what I am trying to show people

... and he included a jpeg to which I then respond asking him WHERE and WHEN he took the picture and if he had any more, and he responded with:

First off, my cellphone doesn't shoew the exact dates of the pictures, but they are very recent. I've been taking hundreds of pictures of this thing for a few weeks now. I don't have an exact date, but I CAN tell you that I took more pictures yesterday and they are exactly the same. 2nd, I live in Illinois. So you were right about me being in the northern hemisphere. Here's the thing, you can DEFINATELY capture it yourself. You were actually able to see it down there before I was able to. People just didn't know it was there though. Another thing.....I wish that I could send you all of my pictures. Like I said, I have hundreds, but i'm unable to transfer my pictures from my phone on to my computer. I'm also unable to send or receive pictures. So what I had to do to get THAT pic on was I had to bluetooth it to my sister and then she emailed the picture to me and so I finally had it on my computer. Before this happened I tried talking to people about this subject and I caught TONNSS of crap from people. People were swearing at me, calling me a false prophet....crazy. But then I was finally able to post my pic and people immediately started giving me public apologies. A mass amount of people woke up, and then I was banned. Actually made me feel good because I knew I hit a nerve on the media. And I will NOT stop. I can probably get my sister to email me maybe 2 more pics if you'd like. It costs her money otherwise I'd have her send them all. In order for you to capture it you'll need to either turn the contrast all the way down or you can use a filter. And then you should be able to capture it. Let me know what you get.


Anyway, what I'd like to ask if is any of you people could try and get a picture of it ASAP and post it here. I live near Melbourne Victoria in Australia and the clouds have rolled in thick and are due to stay for at least a week, so we won't have a clear sky for a while.

I'd appreciate anyone making an effort to verify this.

Here's the picture he sent:

http://xs138.xs.to/xs138/09151/nibiruillinois829.jpg

Thanks.

[branjo]

I live in those parts and I will take a look in about an hour or two when the Sun comes up, although is snowed last night lets hope for clear skies, I have extremely sensitive eyes these days, basically I spend most of my free time in the dungeon (Basement) with my various PC's. I will hunt out my digicam and put my shades on it, if I see anything, it will go straight on my next post.

I don't think anyone would have a problem here with a pic, I mean if its there its there, no bones about it. If it isn't i'll let you know, be a bit of a stretch but like I said I never look at the sun so its not something I would notice anyway.

And if it were that close, really we would be feeling a hell of a lot of turmoil, well I would think the gravity from it would be enough to notice,

Jaye on the other doesn't take his eyes off it...:D

[dallas18]

wow that quite big

[branjo]

I just did a quick look on Stellarium and on the 27 March Venus was pretty much there, could venus appear that bright though? then again if it was the 10th planet, it would hardly be in Stellarium...lol

[dallas18]

venus hasnt looked that big when ive look at it recently but im in australia maybe that makes a difference :confused:

[branjo]

Well I just checked and its complete cloud cover here :(

[mister x]

I live in those parts and I will take a look in about an hour or two when the Sun comes up, although is snowed last night lets hope for clear skies, I have extremely sensitive eyes these days, basically I spend most of my free time in the dungeon (Basement) with my various PC's. I will hunt out my digicam and put my shades on it, if I see anything, it will go straight on my next post.

I don't think anyone would have a problem here with a pic, I mean if its there its there, no bones about it. If it isn't i'll let you know, be a bit of a stretch but like I said I never look at the sun so its not something I would notice anyway.

And if it were that close, really we would be feeling a hell of a lot of turmoil, well I would think the gravity from it would be enough to notice,

Jaye on the other doesn't take his eyes off it...:D


Thanks Branjo, I'm very eager to find out if this is true. The weather report for the state I live in is for clouds over the next week. Just my friggen luck.:mad:

http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDV10450.shtml

Wear some sunglasses if the light intensity bothers you, you should still be able to see it clearly I would think.

I wait with bated breath.;)

[mister x]

The guy sent me another email with more pics that he took yesterday using his friend's cheap digital camera. He also said that it's best to take the pictures in the morning or evening when the Sun is at its lowest intensity.

He added that you can hardly see it with the naked eye from the Sun's aura/intensity BUT it's always there when you take a picture of it by simply pointing the camera towards the Sun with contrast set as low as possible to elimate glare. If anyone has a pair of metalworkers goggles like these, I suggest they use them as they would definatly eliminate the blinding glare... perhaps even very dark sunglasses would suffice.

http://www.2spi.com/catalog/safety/images/Jackson.jpg

They're very cheap if you don't have a pair:

http://www.wttool.com/product-exec/product_id/19347/nm/Flip_Up_Welder_s_Goggles


Here's the new pictures he sent:

http://xs538.xs.to/xs538/09152/nibiru4631.jpg

[mister x]

I was able to take a few pics before the Sun went down my way.

http://xs538.xs.to/xs538/09152/nib789.jpg

The pic on top I took with the camera set normally... and I can tell you that the glare you see in that picture is less severe than it is on the naked eye. My blind sight was much larger than what you see in that picture. Note the lower arrow pointing to the near invisible power pole, and then compare it to the darker picture where I had lowered the cameras aperture to its minimum. That effectively engages full dark contrast.

Even with considerable fading cloud that blocks all view of this heavenly body from the naked eye and the camera, I was still able to see something when I lowered the contrast as much as I could. Though it was still partially obscured it shows that there is something definitely there. I'll have another go as soon as the clouds clear more some time over the next few days.

[shrouded]

It is very intersting, but i cant help but think you just coincidentally manage to catch venus or mercury, I mean at any one time in the day mercury isnt going to be too far away from the sun Venus also is in a pretty close orbit. Take the suns aura out of the picture and it seems pretty likely that you will get a good view of at least one of them.

i guess if it is Nibiru then we will find out towards the end of the year when we will be in between the sun and the 'object' unless it is playing hide behind the sun with us ;)

On a different note, was Nibiru meant to come from the south? Thats supposedly why they built the observatory in the antartic, but wont release any images or information about the observatory. Which is strage to say the least. Havent seen too much from hubble either recently.

There are so many idiots posting there own assumptions on what is fact ant not fact about nibiru,2012, photon belts, aliens, we really should stick to what is fact, and these images definately do represent something in the sky, now we just need to de-bunk what it isnt and come closer to figuring out what is it ;)

Keep and open mind

[mountain]

Interesting thread here...

I remember reading in Icke's book that 2012 involves Venus, the planet associated with 'love'. Something about Venus and also I read in another book (Marciniak) that Earth was part of the Pleiades system long ago and that it will enter there around 2012 again.

Anybody else remember reading that?! I am not sure which book it was stated in but I am sure I read it and I am not saying Icke has all the answers but...

After careful thinking, this Nibiru nonsense could very well be another Luciferic flip-side to Venus (love). Just me rambling a bit here. Anybody else thought of this before?

[shrouded]

I havent read that one, but Earth apparently does have alot of links with the pleaidies including the ET's that contact us are meant to be from there, and they helped create us.

Also heard but i doubt is true, that our sun orbits the biggest star in the pleaidies cant remember the name Arcturon maybe?

To physically enter the pleiaides would be pretty much impossible, unless a whole planet can hyperdrive. If you mean like on a society level with the civilisations there then thats been talked about frequently for millenia.

In all honesty there are so many theories out there that you just dont know what to believe.

I will keep my eyes on the skies though, seems like a very interesting period in human history to be alive, i say we sit back and enjoy it.

[romas]

I haven't Read THIS particular article, but if it has anything Massively Negative in it, like the end of the world blah, i'll palm it off as propaganda



EDIT: So I Had a quick watch.. "A short interview from fox news" ...Fox News.. Like Hell anything they give you is "News"... and untill i've done research i wouldnt be too quickly to believe Dr Michio Kaku either..

The Video is Full of FEAR.. Oh No Watch out! It will Wipe out TV, GPS oh No! Etc....


Yes the Sun will be Massively More Active. But it WILL NOT Destory Earth.. as they want you to keep believing...


Seriously Stop buying into such our right propoganda





Dude calm down lol he didn't say sun will destroy earth, just some electronics.

[romas]

I havent read that one, but Earth apparently does have alot of links with the pleaidies including the ET's that contact us are meant to be from there, and they helped create us.

Also heard but i doubt is true, that our sun orbits the biggest star in the pleaidies cant remember the name Arcturon maybe?

To physically enter the pleiaides would be pretty much impossible, unless a whole planet can hyperdrive. If you mean like on a society level with the civilisations there then thats been talked about frequently for millenia.

In all honesty there are so many theories out there that you just dont know what to believe.

I will keep my eyes on the skies though, seems like a very interesting period in human history to be alive, i say we sit back and enjoy it.



You know once you get into theoretical physics you can just about say that yes we could be in three places at the same time etc :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx1fqp7ir70

I'm guessing only first hand experience is a personal proof of anything for everyone.

[mister x]

... another thing... this object is visible next to the sun ALL day. It's just gets harder to view it clearly at midday because of the Sun's extreme intensity. But you can still see it in pics according to the guys who've tried so far in the States, including the guy who first posted about it. So I doubt it's any planet in our solar system.

http://xs538.xs.to/xs538/09152/1870.jpg

The above are from the States taken yesterday.

[shrouded]

There are so many different spin off from physics that its hard to keep up with them all!

If that object can be photographed on a daily basis that close to the sun then

a) its not mercury or venus

b) Its either in our solar system and very close to the sun, which asks the question wtf is it and why is it hanging around next to our sun

c) Its inside of our solar system, somewhere between pluto and Earth and heading towards us, which would make it extremely large.

d) Its outside of our solar system and heading towards us which would make it very big, many times bigger than jupiter...

If that thing is Nibiru then i might have a go at the old praying thing.

Somebody should send the pictures to 'the sky at night' on the BBC i'm sure if it does exist and for some reason they are not aware of it then they would be very interested to hear about it.

and people say space isnt cool :cool:

[dallas18]

isnt it spose to come from behind the sun

[shrouded]

We travel completely round the sun, so where exactly is behind it? Wouldnt that just mean 6 months later we are between 'it' and the sun?

[disorder2k8]

Large hole in magnetic field that protects Earth from sun's rays (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/3798009/Large-hole-in-magnetic-field-that-protects-Earth-from-suns-rays.html)

The discovery was made last summer by Themis, a fleet of five small NASA satellites.
Scientists have long known that the Earth's magnetic field, which guards against severe space weather, is similar to a draughty old house that sometimes lets in violent eruptions of charged particles from the sun. Such a breach can cause brilliant auroras or disrupt satellite and ground communications.

Observations from Themis show the Earth's magnetic field occasionally develops two cracks, allowing solar wind – a stream of charged particles spewing from the sun at 1 million mph (1.6 million kph) – to penetrate the Earth's upper atmosphere.
Last summer, Themis calculated a layer of solar particles to be at least 4,000 miles (6,400 kilometres) thick in the outermost part of the Earth's magnetosphere, the largest tear of the protective shield found so far.
"It was growing rather fast," Themis scientist Marit Oieroset of the University of California, Berkeley told an American Geophysical Union meeting in San Francisco.
Scientists initially believed the greatest solar breach occurs when the Earth's and sun's magnetic fields are pointed in opposite directions. But data from Themis found the opposite to be true. Twenty times more solar wind passed into the Earth's protective shield when the magnetic fields were aligned, Mr Oieroset said.
The Themis results could have bearing on how scientists predict the severity of solar storms and their effects on power grids, airline and military communications and satellite signals.
Earlier this year, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reported that the first sunspot of a new 11-year cycle has appeared in the sun's northern hemisphere.
Jimmy Raeder, a physicist with the University of New Hampshire, predicted a more intense solar cycle. That's because the Earth's and the sun's magnetic fields will be in sync at the cycle's peak, expected in 2012, that will cause an influx of solar particles, Raeder said.
The Themis satellites were launched to find the source of brief powerful geomagnetic disturbances in the Earth's atmosphere.


P.s Nibiru is supposedly 4 times more massive (magnetically) than earth

[kingmonkey]

... another thing... this object is visible next to the sun ALL day. It's just gets harder to view it clearly at midday because of the Sun's extreme intensity. But you can still see it in pics according to the guys who've tried so far in the States, including the guy who first posted about it. So I doubt it's any planet in our solar system.

http://xs538.xs.to/xs538/09152/1870.jpg

The above are from the States taken yesterday.


Did you say he can seee it with the naked eye?

[eyeballkid88]

I couldnt find the link with the first amatear astrologers images, showing physical evidence of 2012...

can you repost please, or help me somehow..

thanks...

[shrouded]

I'm a little confused by the pic. At first it looked to me as if they were all lined up but it has pluto next to the sun.:confused:
Is this a side view of the solar system?

Sorry i never saw this post before. This is a view of the solar system from the earth. They arent in a straight line in the sense you are thinking, pluto is still on the edges of the solar system, and the sun is still in the middle. The alignment is that they are all in one steady straight line through the sky. In the image (which ive just noticed has been taken down now) i had taken the ground away so you could see the full effects of the alignment ( the light belt looking thing is really just the equator) I left the constellation in for reference but i migth upload a picture with nothing on it but the planets.

I will upload 3 new pictures tonight, when i have some free time, one of 21/12 one of 23/12 and one of 23 with just the planets nothing else.

The reason i picked 23rd is the planets are closer together in the alignment so i can put them on the screen easier, they are still aligned on the 21st (and to be honest through most of december/january!! :eek: ) but harder to get it all on one screen.

This alignment lasts for around 2 months which is just unbelievable. I gave up looking around 18th January with them still pretty much aligned the same way.

[mister x]

Today the skies were all clear where I live. I waited till the Sun was behind some high tree tops so as to mask most of it in an effort to reduce or eliminate FLARE of any sort. I took the following pictures:

http://xs538.xs.to/xs538/09154/nibpics_800res842.jpg

It seems that what's occuring when a picture is taken without masking the Sun is that the Sun is being reflected and reduced in size, and the surrounding red winged-aura is red flare that's somehow migrated around it.

If it were sunny from the first day I read about it I would have taken pictures myself to verified it before posting, but it wasn't the case.

:rolleyes:

[disorder2k8]

It seems that what's occuring when a picture is taken without masking the Sun is that the Sun is being reflected and reduced in size, and the surrounding red winged-aura is red flare that's somehow migrated around it.

That's what a sundog is, its a reflection of the light of the disc of the sun, but it appears smaller.

Its similar to lens flare.

[shrouded]

Sounds like we have an explanation for the mysterious object. Has anyone heard any news regarding Nibiru recently? Last thing i heard about it was that it is a brown dwarf and as such doesnt give off much light unless you look at it with an infra red telescope in which case its is extremely bright. 8 billion km 4 billion km ive heard many distances none of which can be verified.

Wonder if it really is real or not? It might not come back for centuries yet for all we know... Something apparently is definately pulling on the gravity of neptune however and pluto just isnt big enough to account for that tug, that tug is meant to be the reason they found uranus and neptune in the first place.

I will put up those pictures in a moment i just need to transfer them.

[knightbk]

The only awakening that will happen on Dec 21 of 2012 will be all you people who wake up to the fact you have been duped.

[branjo]

The only awakening that will happen on Dec 21 of 2012 will be all you people who wake up to the fact you have been duped.

Well that's that cleared up then....lol

[itsallinus]

The only awakening that will happen on Dec 21 of 2012 will be all you people who wake up to the fact you have been duped.

I'll get me coat...

[shrouded]

The only awakening that will happen on Dec 21 of 2012 will be all you people who wake up to the fact you have been duped.

Duped by what exactly? As you clearly have no idea what your referring to ill simply say that the mayan tun calendar the I ching etc all end around the same time.

They dont say its the end of the world, they dont say what will happen. The things you read and hear about are peoples opinions and interpretations.

You clearly dismiss them all which is your choice and your free to have it, that is why this thread was set up, to look at genuine factual information. If you can contribute evidence for or against the 2012 date then please submit it.

If your just a close minded ass who has closed off something he has no knowledge of and cant even take the time to research it in any depth then your on the wrong forums.

Still havent had time to upload the pictures, it takes me a while as i can never get it in the right format. I will upload them tomorrow.

[branjo]

Its just like the people who thought nothing would happen on y2k, the fact is when its something that happens to consciousness the unconscious are the ones who don't see it.

So what did happen on y2k?

The threat of the y2k bug and it not being of any importance isn't what the point of it was about. The point was that it changed human consciousness, it took our faith and addiction to electronic devices and caused it to shift into the possibility of living without them.

Anyone who considered a world without electronics started to think of a life that wasn't dependent on them, ie they went out and stocked up on food, considered how they would cook that food, and how they would light up their house at night, how they would stay warm in the winter, where they would find water if the faucets in the house didn't work, what they would do to pass the time without things like computers to divert their attention. Basically every thing a human being should be prepared to return to at a moments notice.

What it did was break the umbilical chord of dependency on machines and computers.

What 2012 is about is at the very least is breaking the dependency on the concept of separation from everything else, ie the people on the street will be affected just like you will and hence either you feel unity with them or you scowl and laugh at them and feel further separation from them.

The reason you say nothing will happen is because of your ego being afraid that something will happen and as ego itself is the illusion, it doesn't know how to react to something in the future, it can only pose more questions to magnify that which it needs, namely Hope or Fear.

People "hope" it is the ascension and all the regrets they have will be wiped away with something beautiful, while other people "fear" that they are wrong about it and only the realization of it not coming true will be enough to quash there fear of it, hence they are still living in "hope" of future vindication. They are still living in something that is an illusion ie "the future".

If you make a decision based on living "now" then you cannot let your ego come into it, you have no thoughts on anything that isn't "now". You have only the wondering of a potential "now" in the future which hasn't happened yet so even considering the future is pointless. We have to live in the now and that means taking each moment one at a time, and basing our actions and intentions firmly on the time of "now".

Dec 21st 2012 11:11 GMT will only mean something on Dec 21st 2012 at exactly 11:11 GMT. Any opinions formed before then is a failure to live in the "now" and is just letting the ego run wild with ideas of "then".

Its like letting the past control the "now" you can blame all you want on your past but you have right here and now, the ability to forget the past and remove any restrictions in puts on your future.

Our imagination is ego, sometimes it can be quite beautiful in what it shows us and sometimes it can be horrible and fill us full of fear. Neither the hope of something beautiful nor the fear of something horrible are real. They haven't happened yet, there is only the inability to know whats going to happen that causes our ego to start supposing what will or will not happen.

You can still make plans to do this or that in the future but you cannot project yourself there and start wondering whats going to happen because, "You can't ever know", if you do that then all you are doing is using the past experiences of your life to determine the future.

To live in the "now" is what is important because no matter what happens or doesn't happen right now, you are completely prepared for because you are here and now living in it. everything else before and after that is memory or illusion.

I bet you can't even tell I am reading Eckhart Tolle's "The power of Now" :D

[lightblessins]

The only awakening that will happen on Dec 21 of 2012 will be all you people who wake up to the fact you have been duped.

u can not stop the movement of solar systems, galaxies and dimensions. 2012 is the start of earth being in a new vibration, seperate from the one we r in now. no awakin will happen then as its all done b4.:)

[shrouded]

Sorry for the delay, has taken me ages to finally re-upload these pictures

Seems like everythign has been against me haha

Well here they are

Has anyone got any other physical evidence to support an event/events of 2012?

Also PLEASE check out my new post in the GENERAL section

Thanks :)

21/12/2012 --> http://i44.tinypic.com/16c42a0.jpg

23/12/2012 --> http://i43.tinypic.com/2gwwfoz.jpg

N.B These phenomena is pretty much through out the entire month of december and into january, the planets move slight but the general effect is still the same. If i have time i will find out just when exactly the alignment really breaks apart.

[barbitone]

Has anyone got any other physical evidence to support an event/events of 2012?



New Scientist - 2012 solar maximum
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20127001.300-space-storm-alert-90-seconds-from-catastrophe.html?full=true

NASA - Solar Storm Warning
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/10mar_stormwarning.htm

[beldazar]

Thanks Barbitone, the New Scientist piece made me laugh, so much fear! :rolleyes:

[ajaydean]

Did the above link not work?i cant see a link, im full of curiosity after the comments!post the link again please bud

[shrouded]

They are on the previous page

2 images 21/12/2012 and 23/12/2012

The gold looking line is the horizon.

[clint web]

I looked at those two pics. Where is the evidence of something happening in 2012?

[branjo]

Its not so much evidence as a visual aid to the possibility, if you are not a believer in planets affecting the moods of people then its not really gonna do much good to see the strange alignment, all I could say is get Stellaraium (http://sourceforge.net/project/downloading.php?groupname=stellarium&filename=stellarium-0.10.2.exe&use_mirror=superb-east) and on the left side where the panel appears when you mouse over it, there will be a time adjustment to mess with. Just key in Dec 21st 2012 11:11 and you can see a strange line of our planets as our sun is directly between the "dark rift" or galactic center.

The thing is our Sun may be the immediate source of "light" or various kinds of radiation to our planet, but the energy we get from the equator of our sun even though it is right next door pails in comparison to the energy from the galactic "plate" coming from our central sun.

My own take on how planets affect us is when whatever planet passes between us and the galactic center gets projected onto us like widening beam of light or frequency. We and all that we perceive to be "real" are just vibrations of light or "frequencies". So when the different frequency of another planet goes into the magnification point, it causes certain harmonics to filter into our perception of reality, moods, relationship breakups, calmness and such can all be attributed to planetary events.

Now these are not the constant factor for moods as people are of varying frequencies too, depending on their emotional state, like when a mean person enters a room of happy people the mood suddenly changes type of thing, so its just an explanation that we can affect those around us by how we feel even without speaking. Like certain places of "beauty" on the world emanate a certain frequency that is pleasurable, ie a sunny tropical beach, or mountain top view.

So take that knowledge as you find it of course and add not just one planet passing but several within this scope and for the astrologist its like Elvis coming back to life for one final show at the Albert Hall...lol

There really is no such thing as evidence of the future, there is only probabilities based on the knowledge of the past, and as our past is the biggest gray area of all its kinda all up in the air, pardon the pun.

[barbitone]

Nice explaination Branjo.:D

[romas]

yep good post branjo.

[coco]

Branjo,

How would you contrast Stellarium to Google Sky (or is it Google Space?). I have not tried either.

[branjo]

I have never tried it coco, but I will give it a go.

[shrouded]

Nice job Branjo, you really get 'it'

2012 has been a mystery for millenia. The mayan calendar never has something happen in a moment, Its all over a period of time, so i personally believe there will be alot of disappointed people when that day comes and goes, and it will take alot longer for the true effects of 2012 to be registered.

The planetary alignment is a rare ocurrence, and the dates it encompasses are coincidental to say the least, whether this is a factor no-one can truly say for certain.

But we can say that it is something else to add to the ever growing list of explanation/possibilites/ evidence and look forward to it.

Stellarium is used by observatories all over the world due to its accuracy.

Google earth/sky/maps/street = all pretty good but they were all set up with different intentions. Stellarium has one purpose and does its job brilliantly.

I am glad i got to share these pictures with people and made you all aware of this. It is SUCH a SHAME that it wil lbe during the day so we wont be able to see it, it would have been amazing to see. :eek: :eek: :eek:

I hope in the future more things similar to this will come to light that will bring us closer to these events sighting 'NIBIRU' for example but would be a major one, but as yet is still only myth and legend.

:)

[coco]

Gentlemen,

Haven't there been planetary alignments in the past? I recall there was ALOT of talk about a planetary alignment back in 1979. I attended a religious school at the time and I distinctly recall we were told about the world leaders increasing in number in some organization which now known as the G20. It was G7 back then? (memory may deceive)

Anyway, we were shown scary movies such as 'Distant Thunder', and told scary stories about the end of the world, etc.

These things did not happen right away during or after that alignment but I guess I can give a bit of credence to the scary stories as more nations are joining the 'G' club and neighbor is ratting out neighbor more often now under the premise of being a good citizen, we live in a much more hedonistic, selfish and litigious society, the state is gaining tighter control over its citizens. Or were they just dumb lucky?

Either way, I agree that we will go to bed one night and wake the next and so on and so on and things will continue to change insidiously and certain events are indeed landmarks in time for new avenues of opportunity toward a change be it good, bad, or something else for man.

[malakai]

Did the above link not work?

What link ?
This has been removed ?

[majorlee]

Best to just not plan anything for the whole weekend, just in case :D

w00t!!!! thats my birthday weekend :D

[asshur]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjjrStDxTrc

are we going to see 2 Suns in our sky in the next few years..?

[branjo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjjrStDxTrc

are we going to see 2 Suns in our sky in the next few years..?

Yeah seen those vids before, utter tosh...lol, one common denominator through all them seems to be the constant connection to religion.

Egyptian and Christian, hmm, not exactly the bringers of free thinking societies....lol. You'll have to forgive me if I don't swallow everything they are saying without question.

All these vids do is leave you with a sense of burrowing into the ground like a rabbit, and make you feel like you need a government for protection, which does sounds very familiar.

I wouldn't sweat planet X too much.

[asshur]

All these vids do is leave you with a sense of burrowing into the ground like a rabbit, and make you feel like you need a government for protection, which does sounds very familiar.
strange, thats the last feeling this vid exudes over me.. No 'government' could protect anyone from the claims it assumes.

[branjo]

Yes you and I may see that, but what it does, is instill the need for protection in the common person against "something" ie preparation for a future event.

Don't forget the amount of people that can see through such fear ridden videos is tiny compared to the people that will want to run and hide from things they don't understand, those are the people that are important. The so called truth movement is completely selfish in nature, it calls everyone sheep and then expects people to listen to what they have to say, talk about ego.

The entire world of activist information will need to de-activated to remove elements of fear from them. No one should be frightened of 2012 or planet X because a mind in fear is a useless mind. There is no point in protection because there is not one single need for protection and there never was, there are many a level of fear in videos like these that are introduced into the mind, some straight away have an effect others are like little seeds waiting to sprout.

Slowly but surely people are being "setup" to take a particular route when certain things happen.

If people aren't empowered with an inner strength then there is no reason to attempt to introduce them to any information that decreases that inner power. When the unknown makes you afraid or angry of something that no one can possibly know then it is pointless to even entertain the idea of "what if".

These videos are simply, pointless.

[coco]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr__EgM3c9U

[noewhan]

This may not mean a thing, but...

There was one of those crappy adds on TV for a plug-in for a phone... Called 'Day of Death' which is basically a 'predict the day you're going to die' crap thing...

So, there it is on TV... and it came up with an example. It was:

*NAME*
DEC 21st
2012

Stuck me as slightly odd.