Are you a fake person?

[peter19]

go into it abit. i mostly am a fake person because i play roles and mind images of myself, even on here lol. you can get into a mind spin of "i will appear spiritual" or when you have just watched a david icke interview or someone elses sometimes its like you pick up there mannerisms and start to talk like they do. "bloody helll" lol. but for me i go into the shop, play the role of the customer, talk to a mate and play the role of mate. and its like you change person, from your interactions with diffrent people. its like the ego which most people see as themselves, seems totally adaptable to any situation and because of that is totally fake. it goes on wanting acceptance and in doing that it plays to the other person and becomes who they want you to be. have you ever done it?. i do it all the time.

so in a sense every ego is a multi personality. brings up diffrent facets at diffrent times.

so which one is the real you or are they all not the real you?. as alan watts says is life just a dance and you can pick up many roles and many dance styles?. :cool:

[bigus_dickus]

cool post!

here is something relevant, i think.

http://bible.cc/matthew/6-3.htm

[dark86]

i read some stuff on this a long time ago. It basically said.

we all have different roles:

the customer, the lover, the mate, the pedestrian, the worker, etc etc - as long as your atitudes and opinions are solid thro all of these and none of these conflict with eachother then you ok.

take from that what you will.


I agree tho, everyone is fake to a degree. for example when on a 1st few dates or in the 1st week of a new job we are all very different to what we are after time / familiarisation. Most of us seem to have this programmed desire to be accepted (not i luckily:D).

[neutron flux]

go into it abit. i mostly am a fake person because i play roles and mind images of myself, even on here lol. you can get into a mind spin of "i will appear spiritual" or when you have just watched a david icke interview or someone elses sometimes its like you pick up there mannerisms and start to talk like they do. "bloody helll" lol. but for me i go into the shop, play the role of the customer, talk to a mate and play the role of mate. and its like you change person, from your interactions with diffrent people. its like the ego which most people see as themselves, seems totally adaptable to any situation and because of that is totally fake. it goes on wanting acceptance and in doing that it plays to the other person and becomes who they want you to be. have you ever done it?. i do it all the time.

so in a sense every ego is a multi personality. brings up diffrent facets at diffrent times.

so which one is the real you or are they all not the real you?. as alan watts says is life just a dance and you can pick up many roles and many dance styles?.


The 4th Way teaches that man in his normal state is not a single being. Instead, man is a collection of mechanical effects which all call themselves 'I.' Man is compared to a nation where every citizen gets to be king for 5 minutes, with absolute power to enter into whatever commitments and to generally do what he pleases. The concept is related to the concept of 'program,' 'personality' and 'buffer.'

The little I can be seen as a neurological imprint or conditioned response or to a mental state that is characterized by typical conditional responses. Social roles which one assumes automatically without conscious decision are for example due to different little I's coming in control in different combinations at different times. .

Little I's are typical of the default state of man and are not a pathological condition like multiple personality disorder (MPD). Psychiatric conditions like MPD can arise if little I's are unusually split, which is not the case in normal 'sleeping' man. What contemporary psychology calls normal personality is however from the viewpoint of the 4th Way a mechanical chaos of competing little I's, far removed from having a 'fixed self' or 'real I.'

In the 4th Way material, the horse-drawn coach is used as a metaphor for the human being. The driver corresponds to intellect, the horse to emotions, the carriage to the physical body. The passenger corresponds to the 'real I' or 'soul,' which most often, according to the 4th Way teaching is either asleep or absent. In the analogy, the horse is often depicted as neglected and abused, the driver as self-interested and shallow, sometimes drunk and reckless or asleep, the carriage as in bad repair, all performing way below their possibilities. All these stand in the cab rank, ready to be hired by whatever passenger comes along. In the ideal state of man, the passenger would be the permanent owner of the coach, directing intellect, emotions and body according to a conscious purpose, using each for its rightfull function. However this is hardly ever the case.

:)

[danielg]

Peter19, dude you are the schizoid sm from the forum! ^^^ That is pretty heavy schizoid behaviour. That book I mentioned to you before, The Divided Self by R.D. Laing (genuis **edit**tavistock psychiatrist) will give you some major insights. Amazon review:

In this valuable study, Dr Laing proposes to examine the way some individuals are very proficient in acquiring a false self in order to adapt to false realities and to give an account of specifically personal forms of depersonalisation and disintegration. It is no small task for the therapist to articulate what the patient's "world" is and his way of being in it in order to outline his psychopathology. The author states that if we look at his actions as signs of a disease, we impose categories of thoughts on the patient in our effort to try to explain his mental state and it isn't easy for the therapist to transpose himself into the patient's strange and alien view of world in order to understand his existential position.
Dr Laing states that many patients suffer from "ontological insecurity" because they feel insubstantial, the ordinary circumstances of life constituting a continual threat to their own existence. He mentions personalities like Franz Kafka, Samuel Beckett and Francis Bacon. Then Dr Laing proceeds by giving the account of three forms of anxiety encountered by the ontologically insecure subject: engulfment, implosion and petrification. To illustrate these three forms, the author describes the case of Mrs R. who suffered from agoraphobia and schizohphrenic withdrawal.
Interestingly enough, the schizoid individual constantly feels vulnerable as he is exposed by the look of another person and that is why he fears live dialectical relationships with live people and prefers to relate himself to depersonalised persons or to phantoms of his own fantasies, thus the distinction between the "embodied" and "unembodied" self. Such an individual is afraid of the world, frightened that any impingement will be total and engulfing. He is afraid of letting himself "go", of coming out of himself or of losing himself because he feels that he will be depleted, exhausted, emptied, robbed or sucked dry. So for the schizoid individual, direct participation in life is felt as being at a risk of being destroyed by life. One aspect of this individual's ontological insecurity is the precariousness of his subjective sense of his own aliveness and the sense that others threaten this tentative feeling. The schizoid individual strongly believes in his own destructiveness by others. This view is in accord to the existentialist's philosophy represented by Jean-Paul Sartre who stated in his famous theatre play "Huis Clos" that "L'enfer, c'est les autres."
Thus a false self can arise in the individual which is in compliance with the intentions and expectations of the other or with what are imagined to be the other's intentions or expectations. Indeed, the self-conscious person feels he is more the object of other people's interest than in fact he is. And so the schizoid individual carries out defences like being like everyone else, being someone other than oneself, playing a part, being nobody or being incognito and anonymous. So if the gaze of others is experienced as a threat, there is a constant dread and resentment at being turned into someone else's thing (what Sartre called "l'être-pour-autrui"), of being penetrated by him, and a sense of being in someone else's power and control. Freedom then consists in being inaccessible. Love too for schizoid individuals is viewed as disguised persecution since it aims to turn him into an object of the other.
This type of individual can be himself in safety only in isolation. With others he plays an elaborate game of pretence and his social life is felt to be false and futile. But the more he keeps his "true self" concealed and unseen, the more he presents to others a false front and the more compulsive this fake presentation of himself becomes. This can lead to a complete disintegration of the personality.

[mk72]

Don't worry you are not fake if you were you would not be this honest and post this tread - maybe you just want to experience different realities and possibilities of yourself maybe you just want to put yourself in other people's shoes.:)

[peter19]

[QUOTE=danielg;71920]Peter19, dude you are the schizoid sm from the forum! ^^^ That is pretty heavy schizoid behaviour. That book I mentioned to you before, The Divided Self by R.D. Laing (genuis **edit**tavistock psychiatrist) will give you some major insights.QUOTE]

ill check it out mate. yeah i was "sm" from the forum, but im trying to be realer now lol so use my real name. iv never said i was mentally ill on this forum or the other but i have said that my mother suffers from mental illness. alot of it might be seen as crazy but look at the world we live in people dont talk to people thay talk to there images of people. they are by defonition "not all there" and if im behing truthful i feel not all there half of the time lol, it does feel abit crazy. but most people i reckon feel not all there because your mind doesnt want to be all there and has important things and issues to do, so you become preoccupied by it and get caught up in the spin of it. so in a sense most people i reckon are mentally ill but just to diffrent degrees.

you saying you dont or have never played any roles in your life or have never differed in personality?. you interact diffrent (maybe only slightly) to diffrent people because consciously or unconsciously you have an agreement of what your relationship will be like.

something i watched before was saying that they done these mental illness tests on the general population and over 50% of those "normal" people showed schizo simtoms ect.

i think alot of it is schizo, people hide behind there fake masks and pretend to be diffrent people in diffrent situations. i dont mean they totally change personality but i mean they slightly alter there personality, like the way you speak sometimes changes slightly to the people you are talking too.

so really what im saying is who am i?. who is you?. there is a fake i (ego) and thats who most people think they are. just there personality. when that changes and grows anyways, so in one time you are this person, later you are the opposite. what has changed?, not you but your personality of you. so in diffrent periods of time theres diffrent people isnt there?. or is there one person/i/behing what is always there and doesnt change no matter how the personality changes?.

i should play the role of the crazy person :D. would be massively liberateing.

thanks everyone for posting and cheers mk72. :)

[peter19]

Interestingly enough, the schizoid individual constantly feels vulnerable as he is exposed by the look of another person and that is why he fears live dialectical relationships with live people

the ego fears for its survival. so what it does is it doesnt like to be shown up. you want to be "better" stonger, smarter, than the other people around you so anyone who appears to be that then is a threat to your ego and to your sense of self. people who appear "slow" are not a threat because your ego is thinking "i am supirior to this person". i think its not the look of another person but what comes with that look, the judgments that come with it, the structure and ridgidness of them, that comes with the person and the look. people who feel sometimes dissociated i think, dont worry about anyone looking at them but they worry what type of people look at them, are they judgeing me, or laughing at me, and it comes down to you feel you are not worthy. so some body who is smart/intelligent/looks good or what ever appears to be a threat because they show you up, they show that you are disfunctional, in a sense or not as perfect as they are.

so people get anxiety because of that. if its a person who they feel supirior to it doesnt matter and theres not much anxiety there because they dont have too themselves enhance there role.

its like if someone else was playing roles, that puts pressure on yourself to also play them also, to play the game. so in that sense you feel more comfterble around people who dont play the roles and who are not judgemental, than those people who do and will judge you and show your "apparant" unworthyness.

would you feel more comfterble around say a drunk person?. i would and the reason is because my ego can relax then, i dont need too put the mask up because i know that the other person is not really paying attention.

[oceanwave]

if everyone is a mirror,..

...who is (a) fake?

[peter19]

noone?. could be seen as all aspects of the same thing so nothing is more important that anything else and everything is how its meant to be.

although it could be just a reflection from me onto the world.

:)

[soglad]

This is amazing. I am about 15 different people. To one mate I could be outgoing and random, to the next I am quiet, to one family member I'd be open, to the next I'd be reclusive. Especially if you're around someone you fancy, you'll be ultra cool and say things you wouldn't say to please her, then to another girl who you've no intention of having a relation be yourself. Maybe this is intertwining egos vibrating against one another making each other feel like the have to fight against it. Either way, it'll be good to get rid of it and show our true colors regardless.

[peter19]

spot on mate, and i think to do that its not easy at all and is a learning thing for sure. i think you need to feel neither supirior or infirior, then you view all the people the same. theres a story i read and it said this man was seen as enlightened, and got offered to attend this wedding with the king and he got sweaty palms because it was the king so he went back and said he wastn enlightened just yet. the buddhist with sweaty palms lol.

but like about someone you fancy you are more likely to be nervous around them because you have to live up to your idea of yourself and that puts pressure on yourself, "to not mess up". when theres no pressure you dont mess up and its almost like when you try to be cool or impress the other person it works the opposite than just someone who your talking too, like your buddys or whoever.

[barbitone]

go into it abit. i mostly am a fake person because i play roles and mind images of myself, even on here lol. you can get into a mind spin of "i will appear spiritual" or when you have just watched a david icke interview or someone elses sometimes its like you pick up there mannerisms and start to talk like they do. "bloody helll" lol. but for me i go into the shop, play the role of the customer, talk to a mate and play the role of mate. and its like you change person, from your interactions with diffrent people. its like the ego which most people see as themselves, seems totally adaptable to any situation and because of that is totally fake. it goes on wanting acceptance and in doing that it plays to the other person and becomes who they want you to be. have you ever done it?. i do it all the time.

so in a sense every ego is a multi personality. brings up diffrent facets at diffrent times.

so which one is the real you or are they all not the real you?. as alan watts says is life just a dance and you can pick up many roles and many dance styles?. :cool:


Absolutely. We do this all the time. The question that needs to be asked is; what is the definition of your true self?

[cjellwood]

I have just read a David Icke book where he talks about 'self' . He claims that self is the silence inbetween the mental noise we have but we rarely notice it because we rarely get it. I for along time have 'practiced' mental silence, it is very hard to think of 'nothing'. The software inside us i always throwing some sort of effect at us for a reaction.

The same software script is still running when we sleep, that is why we dream of people we have not met etc. btw, most dreams involve an event or storyline that reults in a strong emotion or energy loss, that is what powers the matrix.

I moved from Londont to Dorset 10 years ago, within 6 months I was talking like a farmer. The software is contagious through our DNA. Being a different person in different situations is simply selecting appropriate programs from our DNA tree of software supplied from the matrix system that transmits it.

I feel sick when people say, "I love people for their personality". If you get to know people properly you will find they have 1000 different characters, what personal-aliity lol I wont screw a fat bird based on personality, thank you David for saving me from that

[lottie]

Surely we all adapt to our environment,surroundings,company too? I mean- im all for being myself but sometimes, if im working with the elderly for instance- they dont really need to know my opinion on the government or how many joints i smoked last night or if i believe reptilians rule the world....!!!

Sometimes i think you have to sensor who you really are, i have to a lot when dealing with the public- and you have to make a judgement on whats appropriate!! everyone i know gets a adapted version of me so that i can relate to them because some of them are very different to me, i mean my mums great but she see's a different me to who i am when im at home with my partner!

Mum's always called me a social chamelion because i will adapt myself to be able to communicate with whoever im talking to whether it be someone of a professional capacity or an elderly lady or a child! The more i look at it the more i see its probably not fair- because i should be able to be who i am without pretending- i dont think its pretending- i dont lie- its just i dont tell people things they dont need to know!!

but thinking about it- when exactly am i me totally? when im on my own- even when im with my partner im not being my truly true self!!

im sure we are all only our true selves when we are alone- and even then i think how much of that is actually me and how much is conditioned thought- i have to think about my opinions sometimes and ask myself where they came from and are they truly my thoughts or those that have been put there through the conditioning we are subjected to!!

anyway- my 2 pence worth!! there's probably more....:D

[peter19]

thanks for all your replys. :)

i think you are more likely to be your true self when you are in a relaxed state. what i mean is you dont need to pretend and you are what you are. behing comfterble with what is. even if it seems abit unpleasant. but another thing is knowing whats false in you, you can get closer to whats real in you, like stripping away the illusions/dellusions.

if you can learn i reckon to relax around any people and in any situation then i think you will be alot closer to your true self. when i say relaxed i dont mean just chilled out on a jakey or too lol, but relaxing your gaurd, letting it down and letting it relax, not needing to be someone else. people be other people because they feel they are unworthy. when the truth is if they were totally themselves they would seem profound people.

[lumukanda]

All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts,
His acts being seven ages. At first the infant,
Mewling and puking in the nurse's arms.
And then the whining school-boy, with his satchel
And shining morning face, creeping like snail
Unwillingly to school. And then the lover,
Sighing like furnace, with a woeful ballad
Made to his mistress' eyebrow. Then a soldier,
Full of strange oaths and bearded like the pard,
Jealous in honour, sudden and quick in quarrel,
Seeking the bubble reputation
Even in the cannon's mouth. And then the justice,
In fair round belly with good capon lined,
With eyes severe and beard of formal cut,
Full of wise saws and modern instances;
And so he plays his part. The sixth age shifts
Into the lean and slipper'd pantaloon,
With spectacles on nose and pouch on side,
His youthful hose, well saved, a world too wide
For his shrunk shank; and his big manly voice,
Turning again toward childish treble, pipes
And whistles in his sound. Last scene of all,
That ends this strange eventful history,
Is second childishness and mere oblivion,
Sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything.

William Shakespeare

[barbitone]

Your true-self is so far removed from your "false" ego self that it might as well be "alien".:D

[cjellwood]

dont forget the main message, our self is 'love'...nothing else. That is where we are from

[ngawaka19]

Great thread peter19,

knowing yourself, your limits and having a level perception of others, but portraying yourself as having just a little bit more ability than you have, and undermining others ability's, sometimes thru the subtle lack of acknowledgement based on personal bias

not knowing yourself or your limits and underestimating yourself whilst hero worshipping others

being academic and using this to gain superiority over others

being technically intelligent and assuming that this in cooperates emotional and spiritual wisdom therefore putting your hand up to claim a position of authority/power

being clever on most levels but acting dumb

thinking that your clever but having a sneaky suspicion that your not and putting your foot in your mouth by rash and unsupported statements (this ones me)

living in a situation that you know is not good for you, but claiming that its all good, you've got it under control

blaming others

te mia te mia te mia

I say this to myself - to know yourself would be to move to the next dimension/density. Not to be influenced by ones environment, would not be human or would not be of life. When the sun shines on a living entity it moves and sways and changes accordingly, just as it would if there was no sun.

If we weren't influenced by what we are seeing around us as being something we want to be, then this whole Illuminati thing would not of worked in the first place. One possible scenario to look at is why were we so easily influenced by the Illuminati to sell out/to sell our souls/to wanna be what 'they' are/to wanna have what 'they' have??? The same as water is influenced when wind blows upon it.

What makes us want to be something we are not? What makes us so afraid of ourselves? Why do we continually come from a place of under-esteem/underestimation or over-esteem/overestimating ourselves?

What ever the answers are, we have been easy meat for the intelligent who assume their spiritual and emotional 'wisdom' over us by casting positions of authority/power for themselves to determine our future and fate. In a twisted way its like we put such small importance on the voice of our souls to be heard above, the roar of the ones that are here to manipulate us into destroying each other and our beautiful home, whilst they feast on the sight of it happening.

I'm not a negative person, and I don't come from a negative place when I say these things, sorry if that's how it seems. I just wanna know why we are so easily influenced towards falsity.

Would someone like to suggest what it is? Why are we sometimes false? Is it because we don't know ourselves fully and this is the reason we are here? Would appreciate some feed back.

love and light

[danielg]

People are false generally to protect themselves as children, it becomes compulsive or habitual and people forget how to be their authentic self, not realising that as adults they have the power (that as children they didn't) to overcome the childhood trauma/ defence mechanisms. Theres a book called Personality Adaptationsthat expalins all varients of personality and how different parenting styles (or abuses) creates/ influences personalities and false selves.

[lightbeing]

Well, not a fake person, but as Worzel Gummidge would say, what head shall I put on today?!!;):D

[3ill]

I'm usually just playing the part the person opposite me wants me to play.

[lightbeing]

I'm usually just playing the part the person opposite me wants me to play.

So true.....................

[3ill]

So true.....................

Glad I'm not the only one. I can barely help it. It usually just comes out that way. I feel I'm being typecast sometimes though.

[ngawaka19]

Thanks guys, I depressed myself by writing that post. So I logged in again to try to feel better.

aha try to feel better......

I was gonna say, and all this just to feel loved?

same diff really.

I do feel better.
thanks
aroha mo ake koutou katoa
(eternal love to you all)

[lightbeing]

Glad I'm not the only one. I can barely help it. It usually just comes out that way. I feel I'm being typecast sometimes though.

It's a conditioned thing in my view, I don't like to 'rock the boat', one day I will have the courage to capsize the boat!..............:rolleyes:

[synergy777]

would a fake person reply honestly?

[ngawaka19]

if he doesn't know he doesnt know, then he would reply honestly

cheeky eh.......

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Am I fake?

Only in public. Otherwise, I'd be caught.

[peter19]

Thanks guys, I depressed myself by writing that post. So I logged in again to try to feel better.

aha try to feel better......

I was gonna say, and all this just to feel loved?

same diff really.

I do feel better.
thanks
aroha mo ake koutou katoa
(eternal love to you all)

:cool:

isnt it funny sometimes we can go out of our way to be loved or accepted and the funny side of it is if you are pretending to be somebody else then the person whos accepted is not you anyway. but we sort of kid ourselves because we havent been rejected. but anothe way of looking at it is maybe all these type of "personalitys" or you adapting to diffrent situations all come form one incompassing personality. me dad says in him is loads of diffrent personalitys, to the nicest person to the crazyest. and i think most people if not all have that in them but sort of mostly we dont see our bad sides because some people it can be easy to push there buttons others it cant, if you get what i mean.

a good thing to do also is to forgive yourself, i reckon alot of it can be unconsciousness what we just pick up from people around us and diffrent situations.

love and peace to you too and all. :)

here i know what it feels like to be who other people want you to be also, i used to do it alot with my sisters, they would expect me to be quite "its just who i am,lol" so i would be most of the time and still do sometimes. because when people expect you to be someone its like they have a box for you and its easy to just sit in the mold what they have created for you. or im createing my own box and saying its them whos doing it?, dunno.