Was the Moon Landing a Hoax

[kromedragon]

So was the moon landing a hoax. Lots of internet sites discuss shadows of the camera men falling on mock lunar backgrounds. But is this indeed true. Satellites and their telemetry could have sent most of the lunar information to
us in order fabricate a hollywood production for the moon landing.

Any ideas on this anyone.

What I dont understand is how the NASA was able to get past the Van Allens deadly radiation belts with only a one inch aluminium astronaut capsule. Lt. Armstrong and his fellow astronauts should have been fried. Ask any physicist, and they will tell you that Van Allen belt is radiation field about our planet. It has no "windows" to fly out of or into. You need much more than even 12inches of solid lead capsule to escape that kind of radiation.

If they went to the moon, they did it with alien technology. Otherwise they did not and the whole moon landing thing is the among the greatest lies in the history of mankind.

Any ideas on this.

[venividivici2311]

Do a search next time,there are allot of thread about the same subject,this one for example.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56558
;)

[whiteshadow]

Welcome to the forum :)

[venividivici2311]

Ow sorry forgot,

WELCOME!!!! :cool:

[kromedragon]

Thank you for the welcome, Glad to be here.

The van allen belts are several miles deep. They are a sea of deadly radiation. This is thick dense radiation layer that spherically surrounds the earth. This belt "seamlessly" surrounds the earth. There is no way in or out of our planet except "THRU" the van allen.

But to get through you need to be in craft whose wall are atleast 6feet thick solid LEAD. How did the apollo aluminum capsule get thru.

When the space shuttle gets close to it, there is sparking in the equipment. I wonder how all the satellites to pluto etc. (like voyager made it.) But one can always argue they were not manned. OK But how did the Niel Armstrong go to the moon and back without getting fried crispy in the van allens.

[lynfowars]

Don't ask Niel Armstrong anything about the missions.

He will not discuss it at all.

Because he is an honourable man and refuses to lie to the people. After all, we paid him the most expensive bus ticket in history from our taxes, yet still he says nothing. That isn't shyness folks.

Buzz Aldrin is honourable too, but when he gets frustrated about it, he bashes you on the nose.

Ok, that last bit was a joke, but I think with Niel Armstrong's position you have your answer.

I think the whole story is far deeper than:

(a) they really went, but screwed up the photographs which they later faked
or,
(b) they never went, the whole thing was done on a huge Disney film stage.

You know that image of the Earth's blue disc filmed through one of the Apollo porthole windows? Why has someone not found the best image of that and compared the actual cloud patterns on the Earth's weather that day/time? That would settle (b) once and for all.

[hank_scorpio]

Only morons think the moon landing was a hoax most likely because they have not actually seen the evidence for themselves...The van allen belts arent as dangerous as you have been manipulated to think. Astronauts go through it for what a second and they are protected anyway lol.

UFOs are everywhere in so many NASA missions. What about the alien spacecraft watching the moon landing, thats a good question.

[tampaman]

So was the moon landing a hoax. Lots of internet sites discuss shadows of the camera men falling on mock lunar backgrounds. But is this indeed true. Satellites and their telemetry could have sent most of the lunar information to
us in order fabricate a hollywood production for the moon landing.

Any ideas on this anyone.

What I dont understand is how the NASA was able to get past the Van Allens deadly radiation belts with only a one inch aluminium astronaut capsule. Lt. Armstrong and his fellow astronauts should have been fried. Ask any physicist, and they will tell you that Van Allen belt is radiation field about our planet. It has no "windows" to fly out of or into. You need much more than even 12inches of solid lead capsule to escape that kind of radiation.

If they went to the moon, they did it with alien technology. Otherwise they did not and the whole moon landing thing is the among the greatest lies in the history of mankind.

Any ideas on this.

The 6 feet of lead is a myth. Nobody has ever been able to pin down a source for that statement because to be honest its bullshit. Lead infact would be one of the worst things you could use because of Bremsstrahlung.

Basically people try and do is prey on your lack of understanding. They say six feet of lead and hope you don't know that's crap. Try reading the links below.

www.clavius.org/envradintro.html

www.clavius.org/envrad.html


The belts have thinner less intense areas and the trajectories were so as this is where the spacecraft traversed the belts.

No sparking of the Shuttle equipment because of proximity to the belts has ever taken place. Also the Shuttle spends 30 Min's of each 90 min orbit in the belts. I doubt they would do that with sparks flying everywhere. What happened is on its highest flight ever crew reported seeing shooting stars when they closed their eyes. This collaborates the Apollo program because some crew of those missions reported them also.

[tampaman]

Don't ask Niel Armstrong anything about the missions.

He will not discuss it at all.

Because he is an honourable man and refuses to lie to the people. After all, we paid him the most expensive bus ticket in history from our taxes, yet still he says nothing. That isn't shyness folks.

Buzz Aldrin is honourable too, but when he gets frustrated about it, he bashes you on the nose.

Ok, that last bit was a joke, but I think with Niel Armstrong's position you have your answer.

I think the whole story is far deeper than:

(a) they really went, but screwed up the photographs which they later faked
or,
(b) they never went, the whole thing was done on a huge Disney film stage.

You know that image of the Earth's blue disc filmed through one of the Apollo porthole windows? Why has someone not found the best image of that and compared the actual cloud patterns on the Earth's weather that day/time? That would settle (b) once and for all.


To say Armstrong wont talk about it not true. He doesn't do a lot of interviews but he does do them.


You know that image of the Earth's blue disc filmed through one of the Apollo porthole windows? Why has someone not found the best image of that and compared the actual cloud patterns on the Earth's weather that day/time? That would settle (b) once and for all.

They have here

http://apollohoax.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=theories&action=display&thread=884&page=1

[oiram]

Great lie but big profit! Trillions!

Follow the Money all questions are answered!

Even the Bible talks about the money changers so it's not a new Phenomena.

But as usual no one likes to listen!

[branjo]

No they were not a hoax, I thought the very same once, but a scientific chap spelled it out for me and the key is in the way the dust moves under their feet.

The photos that show all these contradictions I think were purposefully done by the very people who were tasked in hiding other stuff in the photos, so that other photographers would see some sort of shenanigans going on there in the years to come.

What I will say is that there is far more to it than just a couple of dudes playing golf and playing leapfrog on the surface of the moon

Checkout Richard Hoaglands interview with Project camelot for a deeper look at NASA, quite a methodical guy that won't allow himself to just jump to conclusions without real evidence, quite rare these days....lol. He has that Star Trek look about him too :D

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2030707978100913713

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8621853447866820382

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4123428096170106419

[tampaman]

Great lie but big profit! Trillions!

Follow the Money all questions are answered!

Even the Bible talks about the money changers so it's not a new Phenomena.

But as usual no one likes to listen!

So where does this money lead you didn't say?

NASA paid hundreds if not thousands of private firms to do stuff like design and build spacecraft and equipment are you saying they were all in on it?

[tampaman]

No they were not a hoax, I thought the very same once, but a scientific chap spelled it out for me and the key is in the way the dust moves under their feet.

The photos that show all these contradictions I think were purposefully done by the very people who were tasked in hiding other stuff in the photos, so that other photographers would see some sort of shenanigans going on there in the years to come.

What I will say is that there is far more to it than just a couple of dudes playing golf and playing leapfrog on the surface of the moon

Checkout Richard Hoaglands interview with Project camelot for a deeper look at NASA, quite a methodical guy that won't allow himself to just jump to conclusions without real evidence, quite rare these days....lol. He has that Star Trek look about him too :D

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2030707978100913713

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8621853447866820382

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4123428096170106419

There's nothing wrong with the photographs only some peoples knowledge of photography.

As for Hoagland i cant take anything he says as fact because its been shown he bullshits like a world champion.

[hank_scorpio]

the moon hoax is the most PATHETIC attempt to dis-credit scientific discovery. You morons without it we would NOT be here.

[endlessvista]

Yes it was a hoax the evidence is overwhelming and from numerous angles and sources. No humans have passed right through the Van Allen Belt and survived.

There is an entire industry of net moles, geeks and NASA groupies with profound reality issues and who cannot accept that their godlike beings who played golf on the moon were not legit. There are also a lot of sincere and decent people who are upset by what is being said about the Apollo NAZI NASA Masonic Actors and Performers and this is understandable as it seems so inconcieveable to decent folk that NASA bigwigs back in the 60's during the Apollo mission were huge frauds.

I would also like to state that I have huge respect for so much of the work NASA and their overwhelmingly decent and ethical profesionals have done to forward science and knowledge through the decades and no way should the propaganda of a small number of NASA "in the know" lowlife and the Nixon administration elites back in the 60's be used to tarnish the decency and honesty of the thousands of good people who worked on Apollo.

The best youtube sight on this issue is MoonFaker. Jarred White in Oz has a vast amount of technical and scientific data which he uses to destroy the NASA Apollo Landing myth in a very entertaining way and the paid up arseholes who defend their beloved lunar golf players like crazed religious fanatics. I would advise people to watch all his videos on the matter. They are all excellent.

YouTube constantly deletes his videos at the request of the fanatical wankers and intolerant shitheads on Bad Astronomy who giggle with girlie delight everytime they censor him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9LPheTLiak&feature=channel_page

[tampaman]

Ive not seen any eveidence of a hoax let alone "overwhelming and from numerous angles" and ive been researching this for years.

I would apreciate it if endlessvista could explain why people cant travel through the belts.

Endlessvista i notice how you say right through the belts. Did you change this after you found out the STS and ISS both spend time in them?

[tampaman]

Endlessvista do you know why people laugh when Whites videos are removed from youtube?

[endlessvista]

Ive not seen any eveidence of a hoax let alone "overwhelming and from numerous angles" and ive been researching this for years.

I would apreciate it if endlessvista could explain why people cant travel through the belts.

Endlessvista i notice how you say right through the belts. Did you change this after you found out the STS and ISS both spend time in them?


Your beloved Freemason Golfers never went. Deal with it.

[endlessvista]

Endlessvista do you know why people laugh when Whites videos are removed from youtube?

The turth hurts.

If they were so sure he was full of it they would not be activiely lobbying youtube and google to constantly keep censoring him.

But they contiunue to lobby to have him silenced. Funny that.

[tampaman]

Your beloved Freemason Golfers never went. Deal with it.

And I'm supposed to take your word for that considering you constantly demonstrate you have very little knowledge or understanding of the subject.

Evidence lad evidence.

[tampaman]

The turth hurts.

If they were so sure he was full of it they would not be activiely lobbying youtube and google to constantly keep censoring him.

But they contiunue to lobby to have him silenced. Funny that.

What a load of old twaddle. Its a game, a game that was started by white and Percy when they started to have videos pulled from YouTube that exposed their lies. First one was Percy who had part of svector studios video removed claiming breach of copyright. It used a few seconds of his video to make a point and Percy didn't like it so he moaned. Funny that Percy doesn't moan that his whole film is available online lol.

[kromedragon]

I am glad to know that the van allen theory about the moon landing hoax is out the window. That was my only arguement against the possibility of the moon landing. Now i am kind of excited that we went to the moon. And that this is doable!

I am already looking at the implications. I feel we must have gone several times to the moon but covertly, in the last several years since the apollo mission. They must bases up there. They must have more data on the moon than they give out. There must be secret think tank that disseminates and assimilates all classified info.

Actually, there is no such thing as a transparent people. In the end there is always a conspiracy for power and control. Either the consipracy says we did not goto the moon and faked it for political clout. Or the conspiracy says that we went to the moon and went further than we let on.

[endlessvista]

I am glad to know that the van allen theory about the moon landing hoax is out the window. That was my only arguement against the possibility of the moon landing. Now i am kind of excited that we went to the moon. And that this is doable!



hmmmmmm? Why am I hearing Doug McClure's voice while I am reading this.

3 posts and a fully and very easily satisfied customer...

double "hmmmmmmm?"

[branjo]

hmmmmmm? Why am I hearing Doug McClure's voice while I am reading this.

3 posts and a fully and very easily satisfied customer...

double "hmmmmmmm?"

The thing is, not one single thread in this forum has came to a truthful conclusion, so 3 posts or 3,000 posts doesn't really make that much difference. Some will believe and some will disbelieve, all the arguing doesn't seem to change anything at the end of the day.

I don't think the moon landing itself was faked, but I will keep an open mind as to not miss something if it presents itself, its a lesson we all have to learn sooner or later. I have seen all the footage and photos that claim to be proof. But proof of what though, that the whole thing was shot in a studio? or the surface of the moon itself was the stage?

[endlessvista]

I don't think the moon landing itself was faked, but I will keep an open mind as to not miss something if it presents itself, its a lesson we all have to learn sooner or later. I have seen all the footage and photos that claim to be proof. But proof of what though, that the whole thing was shot in a studio? or the surface of the moon itself was the stage?

This is an excellent honest response and keeping an open mind is the best way to deal with such matters.

The problem I have was coming on this forum and seeing how many people discounted the Apollo Hoax because two TV presenters on Mythbusters told them. The Mythbusters bullshit was not only rigged, deceptive and frankly retarded, but as it came with a slick high budget production and one of them wears a funny baret, "then it must be real!"

What next, Davina McCall will use members of the Big Brother house to prove that it was indeed Oswald's magic bullet which killed JFK.

MIND CONTROL, not MISSION CONTROL

Not saying you are like this yourself, but that's what most "debunking" is these days. Find an obnoxious celeb, begin by insulting the hoax evidence and the people behind it as retarded rednecks or loons, "debunk" it on a very limited view and sample of all the evidence in such a way to make it seem scientific, add some goofy banter, some flashing lights, mood music and put in in between the HELLO and McDonalds TV adverts and hey, it's been "debunked!" Making a smarmy joke about someone seeing Elvis eating a cheeseburger in a crater is always a good angle for debunkers to start their "debunking" with.

really "duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuudes"?

Which shows the spectacular power of TV as a mind control device more than anything else.



ONE SMALL STEP FOR MAN - ONE GREAT MINDFUCK FOR MANKIND

The Apollo Moon missions were hoaxed by NAZIs and Freemason schooled in MK-ULTRA/CIA mind-control techniques. They could of painted a washing up liquid bottle and put in a sand pit with an Airfix astronaut next to it and most people would of still believe it was on the moon. Especially the more educated ones as their social indoctrination is absolute and total. The implanted beleif that it was about to happen, made it happen in the eyes of most viewers. And besides they had all been indoctrinated with everything from Star Trek to 2001 A Space Oddessy by that point. All the LSD the CIA agents such as Timiothy Leary had given to the college "eductaed" young people in the West by that point had them all ready to "trip" into "space" mannnnnnnnnnnnnnn. The social stage had been set, the masses had all been programmed with space travel via Sci-Fi the educated young people were "spaced out on drugs being shipped into university campuses" all that was needed was the images of the training to be filmed through a TV monitor and the world would willingly believe.

But even back in 1969 there were millions of people around the world who felt something wasn't quiet right with what they were seeing. Where they all tin foil hat kooks, naturally inclined to paranioa??? Sure, some were, but most were getting feelings about the event at the time which didn't sit well with them. In those pre-internet days they just sat at home and said nothing for fear of public ridicule and all it took was every newspaper in the world to have MAN LANDS ON MOON on the front page the next morning to automatically places these millions of in the position of social outcasts thinking they are alone in their views.


The technical and tangible evidence against their being a moon landing is overwhelminging and shockingly obvious. Go look at all the evidence and it it so obvious after a while it is becomes like a second nature to you. It becomes harder and harder to find something which might give the Apollo Mission cred.

It wasn't even a technically brilliant hoax, just standard Hollywood/TV stuff - the real lynchpin of the Apollo Moon hoax was the using mind control via TV and marketing. Every aspect of the Apollo mission was delivered to the masses in a very spiritual/emotional way. Then reinforced with "fun guys just like you and I playing golf on the moon!". The entire range of human emotions from spiritual manipulation to bringing in the Common Man touch was utilised over the course of the Apollo Moon TV boradcasts. This holyman/everyman mind control technique is the cornerstone of the US government's social conditioning. Look how well Obama does it. The NAZIs brought these techniques to the USA with Operation Paperclip. Nothing has changed since the 1940's.

Once you start viewing the Apollo missions as a mind control and false spirirtual mass hypnosis experiment, you begin to see the technical fakery as nothing more than a Hollywood version of a Catholic Eurchrist. They no more landed on the moon than a priests has really changed wine into the actual blood of Jesus.

That notion has been planted in the willing mind of the viewer. It worked in 1969. We have the internet now. Hence why people like Bad Astronomy are on the forefront of promoting internet censorship in the name of free speech and debate. The game is up for the collaborators, both the paid up ones and the self deluded.

The moon landings were a lie and flared trousers are out of fashion.

Or maybe I am just an idiot who "thinks Elvis is still alive and eats cheeseburgers behind the craters", who knows... The guys from Mythbusters will be along any second to prove it I am sure.

[tampaman]

This overwhelming evidence of a hoax from what ive seen doesn't add up. I'm not on anyone's payroll and i do have an open mind. So if your willing to show me something overwhelming that would be good.

[branjo]

That's it thought there is no evidence of a hoax, there is only the distrust people have in the government and agencies like NASA, they lie all the time, and people get used to believing both the lie and the possibility of a cover up. If you are talking about the pictures then yes they have been altered, but to hide what they don't want people to see.

They are supposed to have unveiled the Masonic banner and they did say the "Eagle has landed" yet there wasn't one "Callsign" in that entire space flight with "eagle" in it, we know this to be the double headed eagle from the Masonic tradition. Why would you go to the trouble of doing that if it was false, its not rubbing anyone's noses in it to do it on the ground, there is no pride and honor which they think is what they have the monopoly on, to do what they feel is showing respect to their Order in a faked environment.

Like I said I was fully on board the hoax train a few years ago and I sent an email to some dude connected with the later Apollo missions when he was in his 20's and he never got angry at me dismissing it, I was amazed he even responded, he is some sort of professor at a university and had a website and a mail link saying he will answer any questions about any aspect of it, for as he put it "the best time of his young life". I resented the shit out of him, because I was caught up in the band wagon of the truth/conspiracy movement.

He proceeded to tell me in a very technical way that I really couldn't make head nor tail from and then he said just to watch the videos, you can't fake low gravity like that.

The dust that is being kicked up under the feet of the astronauts isn't billowing out like it would with "air" in the environment, it goes up and then arcs down in a slow curve, impossible in an environment with air in it.

Same goes for the lack of "moon dust" on the feet pads of the craft, with no wind to blow it onto the pads the dust radiates outwards in 360 degrees always away from the pads.

The Nazis were building all manner of high tech shit back then, they were working on stealth technology in the 40's man. If you were wanting to do something as seemingly impossible as go to the moon, these cold callus methodical feckers would have to be high on your list of scientists to get, there are worse people than the Nazi's that have been offered immunity for their knowledge everyday.

The only one who has gave any kind of account is Armstrong and the others are very shady about the whole thing, you say mind control , I say "memory manipulation", they didn't mind them talking about the flight up or flight back but the moon itself is a cloudy issue for the Astronauts. Because what they saw proved the people that sent them were in fact liars saying we or anyone else had never been there before.

They couldn't care less about the public thinking it was faked and that's why the Capricorn One movie was allowed to be released and hyped so much, they didn't make it but it served a very good purpose of deflecting the truth to an "unprovable" conclusion, and pointed conspiricists in a completely different direction which they were fine with. Do you think back then in the height of the paranoia the east and west had with each other that Hollywood would come out with an actual movie depicting an actual lie they had told?

There are structures on Mars and they are quite provable with common sense, there are structures on the moon and how much of a secret do you think that would have been in the 60's + 70's?, It would have been the absolute pinnacle of secrecy, to hide the ancient history of mankind away from mankind itself, far more potent and dangerous than who killed JFK.

There is no doubt in my own mind that there were people on the moon, there is also no doubt in my mind that the whole incident was not the full story that was given to us. Don't forget that the whole reason they gave for the rush to the moon was to declare American superiority over the Soviet, how much of an impact do you think there would have been to American and Soviet moral to have knowledge that countless civilizations not only went to the moon but colonized it, long before both countries had there respective titles?

People in this forum have absolutely no problem in believing there is an Alien race of shape shifting lizards without one single shred of evidence to support it, other than what a few people "believe" and history mentioning people as untrustworthy snakes. Hardly an argument an awoken person would even consider dabbling in, if they are also discounting that the van allen belts prevent any organic matter from getting through it based on what the "reported" technology was at the time. Then how did their aliens get through it and work so closely with the shadow government?

People believe NASA when they tell them what their space suits and capsules were made from blindly without question, yet they base the moon landings on the Van allen belt and blatantly altered photographs.

Same thing with the Greys for instance and I am neither discounting or backing up the existence of them, if they are real and I use that term very loosely then wouldn't they have provided technology to their minions humans to do something that would increase governmental power over people so they would have greater control over the human race themselves?

Then there is a another very real possibility, that the greys are complete fabrication born from Roswell in 1947. Oddly enough the very number 1947 is a highly interesting number to say the very least. Think of it as 19.47 and then it opens up an entirely new facet of Sacred Geometry and planetary anomalies that cannot be avoided or explained away, then the crash site itself being on the 33rd degree of the Earth.

Want to deflect an ever growing population of so called "Truth Seekers" then give them something to chew on to keep them busy, and it has kept them exceedingly busy hasn't it?

We are the latest civilization of Earth, we do not have the entire history for it, in fact that diagram of the visible light spectrum could be identical for the available history of our own planet. The strength people are "awakening" to today isn't the knowledge of what there government has done to them, its the knowledge of what we can do to the government through sheer understanding of the ancient super technological past of the human race itself.

Information never falls from the top, it filters its way down through each level and to quote a movie "The minute you think you have got it figured out, your wrong".

Every breakthrough the public will make has already been studied for the best way to handle it, the lies are able to change through many different steerable outcomes, all based on human reactions and emotions. The only thing they have no control mechanism for, is peace and love. There is no circumventing the power of that side of the human consciousness they can only drive it into fear, into the part of the mind that they can in fact control.
Throughout history anyone talking or practicing the power of love and peace has been killed and anyone that causes fear whether it be through conspiracy related information has been allowed to do so, why?

People like David Icke and Alex Jones have got an immense following and are very very powerful tools. They help 1 person become aware and drive 10 into the emotional aspects associated with anger, revenge, panic and distrust. They, like the rest of us had no idea we are being controlled with the only thing that we can be controlled by, and that is simply "fear".

Even the good and powerful spiritual words of David Icke fall on deaf ears, because people who are into the truth movement are only to willing to set the namby pamby love and peace to the side and replace it with a horror story which to them is far more entertaining to the ego.

I don't know the whole story and i don't claim to, I just know the picture we look at now is not the big picture, no matter what it is about. I have even considered that everything that has been done to us by these men of "power" could have been done with good intentions. If the whole thing became clear tomorrow and everything the general conspiracy community was proven fact, what would the world be like? would it be better with all the hatred that would accompany this knowledge?

If we want a better understanding of the world and for the governments of it to stop treating us like children then "we" should stop acting like children and prove to them that we are prepared to understand, rectify and forgive the errors of the past, not grip onto them and breath new life for the negativity it has undoubtedly gave us.

I am simply prepared to forgive every single thing that has been done no matter how heinous to us in return for peace. If you want to carry on the hatred of the Illuminati then you will also have to carry on living with the fear of them. The future is not bleak, the future is and has always been the brightest it possibly can be, but no one is prepared to compromise, not them and certainly not us. Its time that one of us breaks the cycle we are caught up in, if things are to change for the better.

[tampaman]

The photographs have been altered you say but you don't give any examples. Please provided examples of altered photographs along with catalog numbers if possible so i can take a look.

On Apollo 11 they said the Eagle has landed because Eagle was the call sign of the lunar lander.

Aldrin took a masonic banner to the Moon with him which now hangs in some lodge in America. In Everard's secret space video he shows a picture of Aldrin holding the banner while on the Moon. That picture is a fake which hangs beside the banner in the lodge. It clearly states that its a mock up and just done for a bit of fun. Everard however uses it in his video and never mentions its a mock up. I contacted him about this and told him "you do know that's a known mock up don't you" to which he replied "yes". So i asked "why use it and give the viewer the impression its a genuine NASA picture" to which he replied "because they will never know". I take it they are the people that bought his video. He then started to go on about how its proof NASA fakes pictures. Thats like saying if i take a NASA picture and alter it that's proof NASA alters pictures. After that Everard said he would only respond to mail praising his work and would not answer any questions or read any critical mail. Didn't stop him spamming the shit out of my mail box with adverts though. I was even getting invoices for stuff i never ordered. I think a touch a nerve.

The dust is shows that they are in an environment with no atmosphere so that rules out the nevada desert and other such suggested locations.

You have it the wrong way round with Armstrong as hes the one that says the least.

[branjo]

Your bloody right ya know, it was called Eagle...lol I checked about 4-5 years ago and got nothing on that, simple google now and wammo...oops my bad. Could have sworn that I had looked for that very thing.

I had heard that the banner was a fake too, but knowing how seriously the Masonic Lodges take those things I was always dubious about that explanation. They hold that stuff higher than king and country and it would have had to be before the flag was planted which means "if" it was done there is no way in hell they could ever let that out.

Have you read or seen any of Hoaglands research, what is you take on him? Goes into it further than I can and in great detail. I had a plethora of the pics and videos a couple of years ago, when I was all about the faked aspect but when I reached the conclusion they actually did it, I just got pissed and got rid of them.

The still's I had showing the different light angles were probably the ones people cling to for fake proof, but the same videos as I said show the dust rising and landing couldn't be done with air in the environment, not that a vacuum couldn't get rid of the air but a lot easier than reducing gravity. That's basically what swung it for me and guy giving me the science of it, with the arcs the dust was taking n stuff.

People like I didn't want to let go of the conspiracy because its the easiest band wagon to jump on. There being no stars ion the pics though is an actual point, even in the brightness of the sun you should still see some. A lot of NASA whistle blowers have said they have teams of "airbrushers" taking them out with the knowledge that people would get confused if they saw them, never made sense to me either. There are however pics with large airbrushed areas and no explanation as to why.

I am actually now on the lookout now for the oldest pics from NASA and I know their site is constantly changing the "originals". even the SOHO pics and vids have been known to come and go slightly altered. If you do watch hoaglands vids there are a few simple photo adjustments that I wanna try to actually back up his statements, but I would trust the oldest web pics as opposed to the latest ones.