Doesnt this anger you??

[manz900]

Doesn't it anger you that millions of kids are dieing everyday or being abused mainly because of the Illuminati? I know it angers me to know end. What can we do to stop this? Is there anything we can do?

[lilloz]

Yes it’s very upsetting. It does make me angry. In my opinion until were all ready to stand up together no matter what our beliefs backgrounds etc nothing can change.
That day will come, when we all stand together, but I don’t know when.

[oiram]

Yes they all need to be judged by the public & especially by the victims & then they should all end up in jail to the end of there days.

When will this be I hope very, very soon & like it gets pointed out it will happen once we all stand up against these premeditated mad murderers together.

[marpat]

Doesn't it anger you that millions of kids are dieing everyday or being abused mainly because of the Illuminati? I know it angers me to know end. What can we do to stop this? Is there anything we can do?

Perhaps you could adopt some. Then you would be taking direct control of their lives and possibly saving them from death.

[thirdwave]

I find stuff like this could drive you to insanity by raging against it.. obviously raising awareness to these people is the first thing anyone can do...

the thing Is I don't know the extent to the child killings and to whole deal with it as nothing is really concrete... ok I do believe it has been done ..and probably still is being done.. to what extent I don't know..

My feeling is though that anyone that would do such a thing deserves pitty them sevles as they are plunging them selves into a black hole far worse than any of there victims.. they are creating the universe they live in and better them than me!.

What makes me feel more sad is the kids you see in poor countries like Africa getting shot and beaten in gun wars... where babies are flung into fires and their mothers then raped...

and this is not even covered up!

[zoompad]

I've been trying to tell people for nearly 40 years. It has been covered up, just as they are trying to cover up what happened at Haut de la Garenne, Jersey. They bully and try to discredit the abuse survivors. They try to make out that we weren't angels. Of course we weren't angels - we were children! We ought never have been abused.

I used to think it was all my fault, that I was a bad girl or cursed or something but I don't think that anymore. I used to think it was just me, but now I know that there are loads of us who were abused.

They tried to smash up my family in the secret family courts, but I kept asking Jesus please help me, and He did, that went on for seven years and it was like going through hell.

Now, I try to help the others, and also the Haut de la Garenne survivors, well, anyone I can help. I think it is important for people to be heard when they have suffered for such a long time - that is very healing. I think that is why the lady touched Jesus's robe - she shouldn't have done it, it was against the law because she was bleeding, but she did and Jesus healed her. She must have been very happy about that, and very sad when they murdered him.

Things will be all right in the end. I don't know how it's all going to turn out exactly, but all the ones who were murdered will be safe with Jesus. All the ones who got hurt but weren't murdered have to forgive the ones who did it to them, because otherwise they aren't able to pray for them. I think suffering when you didn't deserve it is a special gift from God in some funny way - I can't explain very well, but it is like you have the power over your enemies, if you do survive, for good or ill, and if you choose to forgive it is an enormously powerful thing that you have, stronger than any weapon. It is like the ultimate kiss of life.

It still hurts inside though, and I have to battle with the pain every day. I eat chocolate and I am too fat because of it.

[Ratiocinator]

Doesn't it anger you that millions of kids are dieing everyday or being abused mainly because of the Illuminati? I know it angers me to know end. What can we do to stop this? Is there anything we can do?

In your anger do not leave out the 53-billion land animals murdered every year in the name of food.

That is approximately 150-million killed each day. On top of this are the millions more humans who die prematurely, usually following a period of painful disease, because they ate the murdered animals.

Children and animals are the same; both groups are vulnerable and need our protection.

[thirdwave]

In your anger do not leave out the 53-billion land animals murdered every year in the name of food.

That is approximately 150-million killed each day. On top of this are the millions more humans who die prematurely, usually following a period of painful disease, because they ate the murdered animals.

Children and animals are the same; both groups are vulnerable and need our protection.

no they are not... it is an animals nature to defend their spices first... you live in a walt disney cartoon it seems.

I hate seeing animals abused and it only highlights the wrong doings of man kind.

But how do you expect Humans to save the animal world when they cant even save them selves?, do you see other animals sexualy abusing then murdering their kids?? ...No!

... one thing at a time you ignorant chap.

[Ratiocinator]

no they are not... it is an animals nature to defend their spices first.

You post such ridiculous nonsense as that quoted above, and then have the audacity to claim that I live in a Disney cartoon!

[Ratiocinator]

But how do you expect Humans to save the animal world when they cant even save them selves?, do you see other animals sexualy abusing then murdering their kids?? ...No!

... one thing at a time you ignorant chap.

The humans are the ones causing the harm to the non-human animals! Does a rapist have to go out of his way in order to save the rape victim?

In this case, the rape victim has a deadly STD, thus in saving his victim he saves himself.

You dare call me ignorant yet you think we, the species of the earth, are separate? We are one.

You abuse me for highlighting the plight of billions of animals, murdered systematically in sacrifice to the elite's agenda - and which then go on to cause another holocaust unto the humans who eat them, yet you post such bilge!

It's amazing, truly amazing. Just think before clicking 'submit reply.'

[thirdwave]

You post such ridiculous nonsense as that quoted above, and then have the audacity to claim that I live in a Disney cartoon!

Not just a Disney, but a cheesy one for very young children...

can the fact that a human race consisting of people that abuse and murder its own children are not in a position to serve the needs of other animals at this point in time???

and that is clearly an issue that should be our prime focus?

or is that to logical for you to grasp?

why don't you go and live in the jungle!?

:rolleyes:

[Ratiocinator]

Not just a Disney, but a cheesy one for very young children...

can the fact that a human race consisting of people that abuse and murder its own children are not in a position to serve the needs of other animals at this point in time???

and that is clearly an issue that should be our prime focus?

or is that to logical for you to grasp?

why don't you go and live in the jungle!?

:rolleyes:

So, you admit to being a racist? Why is one group more worthy than another?

I know you hadn't read my second reply to you before posting the above, so I will not repeat myself. But I will add: You had no place posting what you did; you did not think through what you wrote, most likely because you seek a scrap with me. All you had to do was realize that both situations are abominable, and both require amelioration.

You know what, buddy, when a human hurts any animal, whether it be human or otherwise, he is hurting himself.

[thirdwave]

So, you admit to being a racist? Why is one group more worthy than another?

No, I admit that I am a little bit animalist....

I think you are so focused on the simplistic ideology you just ramble on with no real logic apart from pointing out some of the symptoms of fucked up humanity... you think people dont know that animal abuse is wrong? ...

you think people here think its A ok and we should just get a tub of pop corn and enjoy the cruelty?

Answer my question.... WHY would a race that consist of beings who rape and kill its own children create a perfect world for animals!... how do you expect that to become a reality?

I know you hadn't read my second reply to you before posting the above, so I will not repeat myself. But I will add: You had no place posting what you did; you did not think through what you wrote, most likely because you seek a scrap with me. All you had to do was realize that both situations are abominable, and both require amelioration.

No because you have gone on and on with other threads.... you do not want to address issues that attack the human psyche and make them the way they are... you just want to stop bad things and when others address things closer to a cause you make out they are being carless...

If you want to address ALL the bad things then you can do that!! fill your plate up mate! ...good luck!

look at the world around you... and you think the prime problems are eating meat....animal cruelty, and so on??? these are symptoms of something much bigger, and don't make out Humans are the only ones that don't give a shit about other animals... because there are many animals that don't give a shit about other animals as well.


You know what, buddy, when a human hurts any animal, whether it be human or otherwise, he is hurting himself.

I think he is already hurting before he hurts it.

[Ratiocinator]

you think people dont know that animal abuse is wrong? ...

you think people here think its A ok and we should just get a tub of pop corn and enjoy the cruelty?

That is exactly what most people do. Too many here, in this forum, do not give a damn about non-human animals. Some, of course, do, but the most vociferous are those who consider animals in the same way they would potatoes or limestone.

If you cared you would not have replied to my post in this thread in the way you did.

Some, when questioned, admit that what happens to the animals is 'awful,' yet in the same breath state that they do not like to think about that as they EAT THEM.


Answer my question.... WHY would a race that consist of beings who rape and kill its own children create a perfect world for animals!... how do you expect that to become a reality?



Is this the right thread for this question?

You assume an awful lot of things in your question. I am going to offer you the following essay as an answer:

http://www.tpuc.org/node/535

Your question is out of place, anyway, because my initial post in this thread is valid and inarguable (give or take a billion or so animals). My post was not an invitation for this debate; it was merely stating a fact, which in comparison with the number of human children mentioned in the initial post, is far greater a problem in terms of scale and also in terms of appreciation and recognition - as you so very clearly illustrate with your insular and uncaring attitude.

[Ratiocinator]

No because you have gone on and on with other threads....

Guess what? This is a brand new day, and this is a brand new thread.


you do not want to address issues that attack the human psyche and make them the way they are... you just want to stop bad things and when others address things closer to a cause you make out they are being carless...

This sounds like unsubstantiated nonsense. But I will give you the benefit of the doubt and invite you to elaborate.

If you want to address ALL the bad things then you can do that!! fill your plate up mate! ...good luck!

Do you think all wrongs are separate, and of separate causes and with isolated consequences?

look at the world around you... and you think the prime problems are eating meat....animal cruelty, and so on??? these are symptoms of something much bigger,

Do you think I don't know that it is just a symptom of the same problem which causes all such evils?

I am quite aware that the human psyche has been corrupted and damaged, thus causing man to behave in such abominable ways.

However, eating the flesh of murdered animals, and the products of enslaved animals, heightens the problem and delays any satisfactory conclusion. It is extremely hard to emancipate a man from his bastardised state whilst the decaying fluids of butchered animals course through his veins.


I think he is already hurting before he hurts it.

Only if he has a conscience and an awareness of his bastardised mind, and the evil it makes him do.

[thirdwave]

That is exactly what most people do. Too many here, in this forum, do not give a damn about non-human animals.

So go ahead and just ignore what I said!

:rolleyes:

If you cared you would not have replied to my post in this thread in the way you did.

bull!, I made my point very clear, now you are just babbling.

Some, when questioned, admit that what happens to the animals is 'awful,' yet in the same breath state that they do not like to think about that as they EAT THEM.

Yes I eat meat and I will carry on eating meat and if you were here now I would eat a big fat piece of meet and enjoy it that extra bit more.


Is this the right thread for this question?

seeing as you have decided to hijack the thread then I guess it is.


You assume an awful lot of things in your question. I am going to offer you the following essay as an answer:
If you have not got the intellect to answer it your self then don't bother.



Your question is out of place, anyway, because my initial post in this thread is valid and inarguable (give or take a billion or so animals). My post was not an invitation for this debate; it was merely stating a fact, which in comparison with the number of human children mentioned in the initial post, is far greater a problem in terms of scale and also in terms of appreciation and recognition - as you so very clearly illustrate with your insular and uncaring attitude.

So you tell people that they should direct as much attention as animal cruelty as there is to human babies being raped and killed (much of which in secret rituals).... but then when someone points out how incredibly ignorant you are being and asked you a very simple question... then all of a sudden the thread is off topic?

judging by the way you are, I am going to keep stake on the diet for a good while longer thanks.

[Ratiocinator]

If you have not got the intellect to answer it your self then don't bother.

I wrote the essay.

[thirdwave]

This sounds like unsubstantiated nonsense. But I will give you the benefit of the doubt and invite you to elaborate.

the Irony.... why not have a guess what im on about, you might get it by accident... think david icke..... and go from there...?



Do you think all wrongs are separate, and of separate causes and with isolated consequences?

No not really, many yes... maybe not all.... I take it you know.





However, eating the flesh of murdered animals,

is what half the animals do on this planet and have done for thousands and thousands of years.... everything dies.... everything is murdered.

and the products of enslaved animals, heightens the problem and delays any satisfactory conclusion. It is extremely hard to emancipate a man from his bastardised state whilst the decaying fluids of butchered animals course through his veins.

ahh so now you start putting out more bullshit and avoiding the point.... only now banging on about eating meat rather than children deing in occult rituals.... glad you see where the evil is coming from. :rolleyes:


Only if he has a conscience and an awareness of his bastardised mind, and the evil it makes him do.

Im going to eat a meat curry tonight ;)

it will be chicken or lamb.... or i might get chicked and have some lamb in my nan bread.... hhmmmmm meat tastes gooooooood.

[thirdwave]

I wrote the essay.

you need an essay to answer a 1 sentence question? ... cant you kind of fire me back a paragraph or so??

will that not be effective?

[Ratiocinator]

Yes I eat meat and I will carry on eating meat and if you were here now I would eat a big fat piece of meet and enjoy it that extra bit more.

judging by the way you are, I am going to keep stake on the diet for a good while longer thanks.

There you go, everybody. That's the sort of creature T.Wave is.

[thirdwave]

There you go, everybody. that's the sort of creature T.Wave is.

Well, lions do it :)

anyway, what are your views on humans useing human babies to kill during magick rituals?... should they use carrots?

[Ratiocinator]

you need an essay to answer a 1 sentence question? ... cant you kind of fire me back a paragraph or so??

will that not be effective?


Tell you what, why don't you go back to being a Tsarion and Icke fanboy - you know, hanging out at their gigs, talking the talk, buying the beer, that sort of shit - and leave the thinking and problem solving to those of us with unobstructed cerebration?

[sedate_solution]

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/7748/taxonomy.jpg

[thirdwave]

Tell you what, why don't you go back to being a Tsarion and Icke fanboy Go back, I never stopped being fans... but I am a fan boy of many more, meat eaters and veggies....

- you know, hanging out at their gigs, talking the talk, buying the beer, that sort of shit sounds fun :)

- and leave the thinking and problem solving to those of us with unobstructed cerebration?

Of course, David Icke needs to read your essay and he might learn how to wake a few people up! .. did not think of that!

[krakhead]

OK - this thread has been derailed into a discussion NOT in keeping with the OP - back on track guys and play nice.

[thirdwave]

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/7748/taxonomy.jpg

there you have it!

Omnivores that eat meat! :O

[Ratiocinator]

Of course, David Icke needs to read your essay and he might learn how to wake a few people up! .. did not think of that!

Well, he's certainly read it. He posted it on his headlines page just over a month ago:

http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/20187/83/

[boots]

Doesn't it anger you that millions of kids are dieing everyday or being abused mainly because of the Illuminati? I know it angers me to know end. What can we do to stop this? Is there anything we can do?

It's like we all have become witnesses at the scene of an accident. Everyone stares and no one does anything.

Support anyone that is trying to stop child abuse.

Dont take any notice of those that "think" they know everything.

.

[oiram]

Incest Survivor Exposed Illuminati Satanists
by Henry Makow Ph.D.


On May 1, 1989, a "nice Jewish girl", age 29, appeared on the Oprah Show and said her family was part of a Satanic cult that dates back to the 1700's.

Although they appear to be upstanding citizens --lawyers, doctors, police officers etc. -- they engage in Satanic ritual human sacrifice, incest and cannibalism, often in synagogues. They drink blood and eat babies.

She is describing the Illuminati which originated in the Frankist Movement in the Eighteenth century. Jacob Frank, born Jacob Leibowitz (1726-1791) led a major Satanic heresy that shook the Jewish world. They believed that the Messiah would return if the world went over to evil completely, so they encouraged all sexual licence and Satanic Evil as the ultimate Good. Financed by the Frankist Rothschild banking syndicate, they subverted all religions and national elites by assuming every religious and political hue. They took over Freemasonry and are now in the final stage of establishing their world government a.k.a "globalization."

The abuse Polin suffered is a textbook example of how Illuminati families --Jews and non-Jews-- treat their children. George W. Bush and Barack Obama may have suffered simllar trauma and, (like Polin,) have multiple personality disorder. Vicki is from Chicago and there is no telling how many Chicagoans surrounding Barack Obama are part of this Satanic cult.

THE OPRAH INTERVIEW

Polin told Oprah that she witnessed babies sacrificed and consumed for the "power" this gave. These babies are bred within the extended family for this purpose. She said she was raped several times, and elsewhere says she had five abortions due to intercourse with her father.

Polin said her family was "extremely involved" in these practices. Her mother is "on the human relations commission of the town that she lives in, and she's an upstanding citizen. Nobody would suspect her. Nobody would suspect anybody involved in it. There's police officers involved in it. There's, you know, doctors, lawyers..."

"I mean, to the outside world, everything we did was proper and right, and then there were the nights that things changed, that things just got turned around. What was wrong was right, and what was right was wrong. That's what helps to create some of them to develop MPD."

Polin's therapist, Tina Grossman was on the show but edited out of the YouTube. She told Oprah that she had treated over 40 survivors from many states and Canada. They have never met each other yet say the "identical same things."

Ms. GROSSMAN: They are describing identical rituals, just the same as, since I'm Jewish, you could go to New York or California and describe a seder in one state or another and, as a Jew, you would recognize it. This is the belief system in evil and the power that evil gives you, and so it has these certain rituals, so they are very similar with all of the survivors.

OPRAH: See, but I am very surprised because the Jewish faith is the Jewish faith. and worshipping the devil is not a part of the Jewish faith. I mean, Jewish people do not worship the devil.

Ms. GROSSMAN: But before there was Christ and before there was a system of one God, there was Paganism- and it still exists in the world, and in many cultures, you still find the belief that there is strength and power in the actual consumption of human flesh or animal flesh.


AFTERMATH

In spite of the fact that both Vicki and Oprah said many times this behavior was not typical of most Jews, the B'nai B'rith-ADL attacked the show as "anti-Semitic." Oprah did her penance and obviously has been forgiven. Vicki was stopped on the street and told her testimony would start "another holocaust." Vicki's response was that denying these crimes was akin to holocaust denial. In July of 1989, she penned this statement and sent it to all concerned:

"Our society believes the myth that Jews can't be pedophiles, or abuse their own children. This is a "MYTH," they do abuse children. There are even those who practice cannibalism, and perform human sacrifices. Believe me I saw it with my own eyes. I've come to the point in my life where I feel I need to bear witness. I have and will continue to until I'm sure what I had to endure as a child is believed by you and others like you. I will do whatever is possible so what happened to me doesn't happen to anyone else!"

Vicki became a therapist herself, moved to Baltimore and opened a practice. She has articles about the Frankists on her website. I attempted to contact her without success. But I found an extensive profile with interviews on Luke Ford's website. Included is an Affidavit from a rabbi Vicki contacted in 2004 regarding an exorcism of her cult upbringing. She described their evil ANTI-RELIGIOUS, ANTI JEWISH intent to him in these terms:

"The essence of her story was that there are currently many rabbis involved in this cult who brought their satanic rituals with them to the USA from Europe. That she was born into one of the Jewish families owing allegiance to the cult. She claimed to have been used as part of an organized child sexual abuse ring organized by the rabbi of her synagogue, and that the sexual abuse took place on Sifrei Torah Scrolls laid out on the floor of the synagogue. That the abuse began in early childhood and continued over a period of many years, through her teen years and into adulthood, and that she was only one of the many young children, boys and girls used in this manner. I did not ask for specifics of the rituals but she mentioned cannibalism, defecation and the sacrilege of sacred objects."


CONCLUSION

A friend believes that the Illuminati want power but he can't believe they worship Satan and eat babies. I certainly wouldn't invent such an implausible scenario. As J. Edgar Hoover said, "We must now face the harsh truth that the objectives of communism are being steadily advanced because many of us do not recognize the means used to advance them. ... The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a Conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been introduced into our midst." (Elks Magazine, August 1956.)

People like my friend have little knowledge of history. Does he really think over 180 million people could be massacred in the 20th century merely by accident? Hiroshima, the holodomor, the holocaust and 9-11 were the products of a single Satanic mindset. Does he think the steady decline of popular culture into degeneracy and obscenity is a coincidence? Does he think the gradual mainstreaming of incest homosexuality, pederasty and the occult is random? Does he think the destruction of higher education (in the humanities) and the family is coincidence too? (Forty per cent of US kids were born to single mothers in 2007 compared to 4% in the 1950's.) Mankind is in the thrall of a powerful Satanic cult intent on destroying and enslaving it.

As the therapist Grossman said, Vicki's claims are corroborated by many others. I have reported on them in articles like "Illuminati Sex Slaves Paint Horrifying Picture;" "The Root Problem: Illuminati or Jews?" and "Illuminati Defector Details Pervasive Conspiracy." I have an audio interview with Mary Anne on my site which refers to human sacrifices eight times a year. Both Svali and Fritz Springmeier have described Illuminati trauma brainwashing and satanic rituals. These activities are also practised by high level Masons and members of intelligence agencies like MI-5 and MI-6.

As long as we deny that society has been subverted by a Satanic cult, that our leaders are dupes or agents, we won't be able to address our predicament. As long as we smear truth tellers like Vicki Polin, we will either implicate ourselves, or continue to be accomplices in our own demise.

The logical outcome of this demented ideology is the destruction of everything we hold dear.
Obviously society needs a major cleansing but this won't happen as long as the levers of power are in Illuminati hands and the masses remain apathetic. Hopefully the economic crisis will alert many more people to the danger we all face.

http://www.henrymakow.com/index.html

[deathcultreject]

I've been trying to tell people for nearly 40 years. It has been covered up, just as they are trying to cover up what happened at Haut de la Garenne, Jersey. They bully and try to discredit the abuse survivors. They try to make out that we weren't angels. Of course we weren't angels - we were children! We ought never have been abused.

I used to think it was all my fault, that I was a bad girl or cursed or something but I don't think that anymore. I used to think it was just me, but now I know that there are loads of us who were abused.

They tried to smash up my family in the secret family courts, but I kept asking Jesus please help me, and He did, that went on for seven years and it was like going through hell.

Now, I try to help the others, and also the Haut de la Garenne survivors, well, anyone I can help. I think it is important for people to be heard when they have suffered for such a long time - that is very healing. I think that is why the lady touched Jesus's robe - she shouldn't have done it, it was against the law because she was bleeding, but she did and Jesus healed her. She must have been very happy about that, and very sad when they murdered him.

Things will be all right in the end. I don't know how it's all going to turn out exactly, but all the ones who were murdered will be safe with Jesus. All the ones who got hurt but weren't murdered have to forgive the ones who did it to them, because otherwise they aren't able to pray for them. I think suffering when you didn't deserve it is a special gift from God in some funny way - I can't explain very well, but it is like you have the power over your enemies, if you do survive, for good or ill, and if you choose to forgive it is an enormously powerful thing that you have, stronger than any weapon. It is like the ultimate kiss of life.

It still hurts inside though, and I have to battle with the pain every day. I eat chocolate and I am too fat because of it.

Hey, respect.

Let me know if there's anything I can do to help.

You might want to start your own thread to talk about this.