In regards to ''Jesus'' being real or not !

[broadperspective]

First of all I am not religious per say, my only true need is believing in '' The Source of All Creation ''. This is not intended to create a pro Jesus thread, just a base of discussion.

With that being said, I wanted to mention that I did read in a French book called : ''LIVRE JAUNE'' from éditions Felix, that the Time travel programs such as ''Montauk'' were able to authenticate that the prophet called Jesus, did walk this earth as proclaimed for more than 2000 years....

Apparently they we're simply not able to go too far into the future..but the past was no problem and that's how they managed to prove or disprove many historical facts or fictions !

What are your thoughts ?

[beldazar]

There could have been, who knows? He may have been an ordinary guy trying to wake people up and then they adjusted all the records to fit with their plans. If he did exist, he wasnt born 25th dec and there doesnt seem to be any record of him anywhere.
What puzzles me is that Ive heard the masons have his skull. I know they have Geronimo's skull and perhaps thats it? :confused:

Do you have the link to where the Montauk Project went back in time for this?

[ranran]

http://www.crystalinks.com/montauk1.html

As to the validity of said project, I'm still unsure.

[realy]

There could have been, who knows? He may have been an ordinary guy trying to wake people up and then they adjusted all the records to fit with their plans. If he did exist, he wasnt born 25th dec and there doesnt seem to be any record of him anywhere.
What puzzles me is that Ive heard the masons have his skull. I know they have Geronimo's skull and perhaps thats it? :confused:

Do you have the link to where the Montauk Project went back in time for this?

masonic hoseshit tales most likely:D.

[kingmonkey]

Firstly, if Jesus did exist, it doesn't mean he did or said the things attributed to him in the bible. There have been "enlightened" ( i hate that word) ones throughout history, who have quite possibly had a better understanding of what actual reality is than the rest of us, so he's not necessarily unique. I wouldn't go running for a bible just yet, but that's your choice.

Secondly, I'd be extremely careful about believing anything about montauk or any other government/forces projects; they are bullshit magnets. People can make up whatever the hell they like about them and for the most part there's absolutely no way of verifying any of it.

If you've heard two different stories about one thing, chances are they're both disinfo or part fantasy.

The truth is there is no truth when it comes down to it; about anything.

[1977]

You know, as strange as it sounds, Helena Blavatsky actually wrote the most accurate life of Jesus--at least, as far as I can verify from my own research. (This should not, of course, be taken as an endorsement of many of her other ideas.) What she says is difficult to quote out of context in any place, so I'll leave you to read the entire chapter: http://sacred-texts.com/the/iu/iu102.htm

[miracles]

You know, as strange as it sounds, Helena Blavatsky actually wrote the most accurate life of Jesus--at least, as far as I can verify from my own research. (This should not, of course, be taken as an endorsement of many of her other ideas.) What she says is difficult to quote out of context in any place, so I'll leave you to read the entire chapter: http://sacred-texts.com/the/iu/iu102.htm

You know I heard the bible wrote the most accurate life of Jesus - strange as it sounds.


But on response to the original post, if Broadperspective read in a French book called : ''LIVRE JAUNE'' from éditions Felix, that the Time travel programs such as ''Montauk'' were able to authenticate that the prophet called Jesus, did walk this earth as proclaimed for more than 2000 years....then it must be true. Right? I mean come on, this is the proof we've been waiting for???? Apparently.

Sorry Broadperspective, but that's a Broadperspective on acid my friend. No offence.

[beldazar]

If time travel is bullshit then would somebody please tell me why there was a helicopter, submarine and some other modern mechanics on ancient heiroglyphs?

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/4999/helicoptercartouche.jpg (http://img18.imageshack.us/my.php?image=helicoptercartouche.jpg)

[hunter77]

personally i find the santa story more belivable:)

[miracles]

If time travel is bullshit then would somebody please tell me why there was a helicopter, submarine and some other modern mechanics on ancient heiroglyphs?

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/4999/helicoptercartouche.jpg (http://img18.imageshack.us/my.php?image=helicoptercartouche.jpg)

Dude anyone could make that today and stick it on a wall and take a picture of it. Hardly irrefuteable proof of UFOS. He may have been who he said he was too.

[beldazar]

Dont call me Dude ffs! Obviously you havent seen many pictures of UFOs on ancient artwork or cave paintings etc....:rolleyes:



http://www.crystalinks.com/ufohistory.html

[element]

If time travel is bullshit then would somebody please tell me why there was a helicopter, submarine and some other modern mechanics on ancient heiroglyphs?

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/4999/helicoptercartouche.jpg (http://img18.imageshack.us/my.php?image=helicoptercartouche.jpg)
This doesn't prove time travel ofcourse. It could be there were other races back then who had advanced knowledge.
I definately don't believe in time travel in the physical sense, but possible as a spiritual experience.
Ofc. this pic here doesn't prove anything, but it is surely interesting.;)

[beldazar]

Yes I realise that but it made me think...
Time isnt linear, I was going to elaborate on that but Ive forgotten what I was going to say! :o

And proof...thats mentioned rather a lot on here, people asking for proof, I mean what is it? Can we have proof of anything really....

Seeing isnt necessarily believing, take the great book and film The Holograph Universe, our senses are simply electrical signals decoded in the brain.

Apparently some near-death experiencers have seen this world as simply a vibrational field.
Err.. too much to think about first thing in the morning :D

[miracles]

Dont call me Dude ffs! Obviously you havent seen many pictures of UFOs on ancient artwork or cave paintings etc....:rolleyes:



http://www.crystalinks.com/ufohistory.html

No I just saw the one you tried to post here as evidence ffs. Also any one "today" could go into a cave and paint a picture of a freakin UFO on it and call it an ancient cave painting. Youve heard of the word HOAX before havent you?

And by the way I am not saying that there isnt a possiblity of UFOs but dont expect to throw up any old google image as proof and not get called up on it. Where all skeptics here remember?

Further more U stands for unidentified, which in and of itself means unproven.

Its a lovely fluffy thought to think we dont need proof.

Still when proof and evidence is presented, people choose not to believe it. Im told what I am saying is BULLSHIT and drawn over the coals even when I have presented irrefuteable evidence. So as you can imagine I'm not really into fluff and photoshop. And if the word dude offends you I suggest you develope a thicker skin unless of course you are a female, and if so I wont say it again.

Perhaps I should have just said BULLSHIT and left it at that.

[broadperspective]

You know I heard the bible wrote the most accurate life of Jesus - strange as it sounds.


But on response to the original post, if Broadperspective read in a French book called : ''LIVRE JAUNE'' from éditions Felix, that the Time travel programs such as ''Montauk'' were able to authenticate that the prophet called Jesus, did walk this earth as proclaimed for more than 2000 years....then it must be true. Right? I mean come on, this is the proof we've been waiting for???? Apparently.

Sorry Broadperspective, but that's a Broadperspective on acid my friend. No offence.

I never mentioned the book is a clear proof..... I simply brought up the subject to begin discussing what people think about the subject at hand !

You would think people that come on these types of forums are more enlightened, therefore more respectful than the average human...but then comments like yours come around and brings us back to reality....

[miracles]

I never mentioned the book is a clear proof..... I simply brought up the subject to begin discussing what people think about the subject at hand !

You would think people that come on these types of forums are more enlightened, therefore more respectful than the average human...but then comments like yours come around and brings us back to reality....

I told you what I think, If you where enlightened you would accept that, or dont post threads asking what people think because thats not very enlightened is it????? People who are enlightened have excellent bullshit detecters.

I said no offense, people who are enlightened dont take offense, when no offense is intended. ffs. Oh and then you insult me?????

Overly sensitive people shouldnt post threads asking what other people think.... Just a suggestion for the future, until you become enlightened. Particulary in the "Religeous" forum. And particularly with the word "Jesus being real or not" in the thread title. Some people have some pretty strong feelings about Jesus being real or not. In fact the very mention of his name practically divides humanity asunder. Okay? Hopefully your a little more enlightened today than you where yesturday.

[2013]

http://www.skybooksusa.com/time-travel/experime/damanhur.htm

some years back i read the article in kindred spirit magazine about their time travel experiments . They seemed very interesting and they apparently "brought back" or should that be forward plant life from thousands if not longer of years ago . They traveled into other dimensions to leapfrog into yet others encountering different beings on the way .No much is mentioned of their work now , more concentrating on their community and artistic work and food production etc . An interesting community non the less .There is no proof just information :D

[miracles]

http://www.skybooksusa.com/time-travel/experime/damanhur.htm

some years back i read the article in kindred spirit magazine about their time travel experiments . They seemed very interesting and they apparently "brought back" or should that be forward plant life from thousands if not longer of years ago . They traveled into other dimensions to leapfrog into yet others encountering different beings on the way .No much is mentioned of their work now , more concentrating on their community and artistic work and food production etc . An interesting community non the less .There is no proof just information :D

You mean no proof just science fiction? Folks I know you dont like being held to account but if it's an Oprah Book Club Review Forum, best you change the title of the thread and perhaps even the category to UFOs.

I wont be appolgiseing for having a point of view or graciously accepting insults for challenging quotes without proof and evidence. I get put through my paces when ever I post a thread, why shouldnt you, if its good for the goose it good for the gander.

[darketernal]

First of all I am not religious per say, my only true need is believing in '' The Source of All Creation ''. This is not intended to create a pro Jesus thread, just a base of discussion.

With that being said, I wanted to mention that I did read in a French book called : ''LIVRE JAUNE'' from éditions Felix, that the Time travel programs such as ''Montauk'' were able to authenticate that the prophet called Jesus, did walk this earth as proclaimed for more than 2000 years....

Apparently they we're simply not able to go too far into the future..but the past was no problem and that's how they managed to prove or disprove many historical facts or fictions !

What are your thoughts ?

Well of the time travel experiment by Montauk found a profit in that area and time named "Jesus" I am willing to accept this is as disinformation immediately, unless they have one hell of an explination how this individual was known by a name that is known to have been invented for him centuries later by the church.

There could have been, who knows? He may have been an ordinary guy trying to wake people up and then they adjusted all the records to fit with their plans. If he did exist, he wasnt born 25th dec and there doesnt seem to be any record of him anywhere.
What puzzles me is that Ive heard the masons have his skull. I know they have Geronimo's skull and perhaps thats it? :confused:

Do you have the link to where the Montauk Project went back in time for this?

It is the skull and bones society that has Geronimo's skull, not the Masons.

[beldazar]

Miracles, Yes Im female, its ok, its just a word that annoys me, makes me think of Beavis and butthead, lol.


So, DE, if its Geronimo's skull Im sure I heard somewhere that Rosslyn Chapel is meant to have a skull, perhaps its a crystal one?

[luckyjag]

i dont know if he exsited or not but i do believe there were many people of that sort the messiahs at that time he wasnt the only one if he did exist at all. many people could do miracles and levitate etc i am not religeous at all but read some of the alternative books about the real life of jesus etc im still not convinced and david does make some pretty convincing answers as why you shouldnt believe it. the choice is for the individuals to make i only believe in the afterlife and i believe we are here as the experiencer to the collective conciousness/source/all that is. i believe we incarnate many many times to experience life in all different lifestyles and circumstances to make our souls complete anything else is up to the individual if it gives them comfort

[2013]

You mean no proof just science fiction? Folks I know you dont like being held to account but if it's an Oprah Book Club Review Forum, best you change the title of the thread and perhaps even the category to UFOs.

I wont be appolgiseing for having a point of view or graciously accepting insults for challenging quotes without proof and evidence. I get put through my paces when ever I post a thread, why shouldnt you, if its good for the goose it good for the gander.

Thats what i stated at the end of my post
There is no proof just information
Unless you can actually do it yourself to experience it , even then how can you be sure its not an implanted image or drug induced experience ?:D

[amethyst]

Firstly, if Jesus did exist, it doesn't mean he did or said the things attributed to him in the bible. There have been "enlightened" ( i hate that word) ones throughout history, who have quite possibly had a better understanding of what actual reality is than the rest of us, so he's not necessarily unique. I wouldn't go running for a bible just yet, but that's your choice.

Secondly, I'd be extremely careful about believing anything about montauk or any other government/forces projects; they are bullshit magnets. People can make up whatever the hell they like about them and for the most part there's absolutely no way of verifying any of it.

If you've heard two different stories about one thing, chances are they're both disinfo or part fantasy.

The truth is there is no truth when it comes down to it; about anything.

Well, the only way you are going to decide if Jesus existed or not is to first ask (in humility) the "all-that is, infinite one" God (if you believe in God that is)and to actually read the words that are attributed to Jesus- namely, his quoted words from the first four books of the New Testament: Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

Then you will have to decide, is that something that was made up that He said, OR is it actually His words as written by his disciples under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit of God, bringing Jesus's words to their rememberance?

He said some pretty profound things.

What I find very interesting is people don't seem to have a problem believing what Mohammed or Buddah or others said in writings. Most just take it as "their' words.

But people really stumble over what Jesus said.

And the NWO gang have a particular loathing for what Jesus was all about. Hmmm...I wonder why.

[meksar]

The "Jesus" most people have accepted is actually Cesare Borgia who was the son of Pope Alexander V. He was a bi-sexual, pedophile and performed incest with his mother and sister. To top off an already impressive rap sheet he murdered his own brother in cold blood.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/Cesareborgia.jpg

[eternal_spirit]

The "Jesus" must people have accepted is actually Cesare Borgia who was the son of Pope Alexander V. He was a bi-sexual, pedophile and performed incest with his mother and sister.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/Cesareborgia.jpg
:D

So who was the real one the black one? ;)

I couldn't care less if he was green with pink spots tbh.

[eternal_spirit]

What I find very interesting is people don't seem to have a problem believing what Mohammed or Buddah or others said in writings. Most just take it as "their' words.

Good point not seen one thread in over 2 years stating that, or was Buddha etc real? Seen about 300+ threads was Jesus real?)
Or how many times have other religious texts been altered or bits missed out.

Have heard that if you know how to read the hidden messages (allegory etc) then ALL Bibles contain the same info!

[coco]

Well, the only way you are going to decide if Jesus existed or not is to first ask (in humility) the "all-that is, infinite one" God (if you believe in God that is)and to actually read the words that are attributed to Jesus- namely, his quoted words from the first four books of the New Testament: Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

Then you will have to decide, is that something that was made up that He said, OR is it actually His words as written by his disciples under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit of God, bringing Jesus's words to their rememberance?

He said some pretty profound things.

What I find very interesting is people don't seem to have a problem believing what Mohammed or Buddah or others said in writings. Most just take it as "their' words.

But people really stumble over what Jesus said.

And the NWO gang have a particular loathing for what Jesus was all about. Hmmm...I wonder why.

Honestly, I blame the church itself for chasing people away from Christ in the first place. Ironic as that sounds.

[kingmonkey]

What I find very interesting is people don't seem to have a problem believing what Mohammed or Buddah or others said in writings. Most just take it as "their' words.These don't concern me as I wasn't brought up with them. Christianity, for the majority of people in the western world, is the religion that they've had forced upon them so it's the obvious target.

But since you mention them, I do have a problem believing both of em.

[meksar]

David Mayer De Rothschild looks very similar to Cesare Borgia, it's like the saying goes "the devil's greatest trick was to convince everyone he didn't exist".

http://img2.gala.de/asset/Image/artikel/talk/2008/kw24/david-rothschild500.jpg

[amethyst]

Good point not seen one thread in over 2 years stating that, or was Buddha etc real? Seen about 300+ threads was Jesus real?)
Or how many times have other religious texts been altered or bits missed out.

Have heard that if you know how to read the hidden messages (allegory etc) then ALL Bibles contain the same info!

The scriptures, the words of Jesus the Christ "the Christos" the annointed one, are hidden only for those who are not willing to humble themselves (get the ego out of the way) and "listen" to His words with their hearts.

That's why Jesus said "seek and you will find". if you seek Him with all of your heart, and be willing to put aside your preconcieved ideas of what you think or don't think about Him, you will find Him.

I was fortunate not to have been raised with any "faith', so I really didn't have any preconcieved notions about it. Loved ones close to me were not so fortunate, and had a tough time overcoming "religion" that was forced upon them. What they were always "taught" didn't line up with what was reality, so there was a confusing message they recieved about who God is.

Once they decided to suspend all their false teachings they recieved about who God is and who Christ is and what they are like, they saw a true picture of God and God's true love for mankind. But they had to find it on thier own.

And it helped to read the words that Christ said. Not because someone told them to, but they did it for themselves.

[amethyst]

Honestly, I blame the church itself for chasing people away from Christ in the first place. Ironic as that sounds.

Very, very true little otter.

[coco]

And it helped to read the words that Christ said. Not because someone told to, but they did it for themselves.

In contrast to your experience, I did have to shed stuff that had been planted there when young. I saw the church taught Christ's words and yet did things not in accordance with them. That's what set me on the path I am on. A wonderful path.

Little kitty! :)

[amethyst]

In contrast to your experience, I did have to shed stuff that had been planted there when young. I saw the church taught Christ's words and yet did things not in accordance with them. That's what set me on the path I am on. A wonderful path.

Little kitty! :)

:D

[deca]

hmm

Montauk Project - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Phoenix Project", but it was soon realized that the "project" required a large and advanced radar dish, and installing one at Brookhaven National Laboratory would compromise the security of the project. Luckily, the United States Air Force had a decommissioned base at Montauk, New York, not far from BNL, which had a complete SAGE radar installation. The site was large and remote and Montauk Point was not yet a tourist attraction. Water access would allow equipment to be moved in and out undetected. More importantly, the SAGE radar worked on a frequency of 400 MHz - 425 MHz, right in the range of 410 MHz - 420 MHz signal that was said to influence the human mind.

which is close to the operating frequency of the tetra phone mast system

1. TETRA has a rhythm of its own, its base station beat is 70.56Hz and its repetition frequency is 17.65Hz. Both are harmful frequencies, and are discernable not by fancy electronics, but by simple rectification of the microwave signal.
2. TETRA handsets have a sharp pulse at 17.65Hz, which is a key bio-frequency.
3. TETRA is persistent. Unlike mobile phone masts, TETRA masts are on full power 24/7. Phone masts are quieter at night, TETRA masts carry on the noisy party.
4. TETRA operates at 380MHz, which is more penetrative to buildings and tissues, than 900MHz GSM or up to 2.4GHz 3G (UMTS).
5. TETRA is an elliptically polarised signal, which is indicated in studies to be have more pronounced biological effects.

you only have to start looking at Dr presingers GOD helmet experiments to start to realize what victims of these mind control program experience weird mental states the have .

God helmet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
he term God Helmet refers to a controversial experimental apparatus in neurotheology. The apparatus, placed on the head of an experimental subject, stimulates the brain with magnetic fields. Some subjects reported experiences similar to spiritual experiences.[1] The leading researcher in this area is Michael Persinger. Persinger uses a modified snowmobile helmet or a head-circlet device nicknamed the Octopus that contain solenoids which create a weak but complex magnetic field over the brain's right-hemisphere parietal and temporal lobes. Persinger reports that at least 80 percent of his participants experience a presence beside them in the room, which they variously say feels like God or someone they knew who had died.

also check Susan blackmore experience

http://www.susanblackmore.co.uk/journalism/ns94.html
One last thought. Persinger applied a silent and invisible force to my brain and so created a specific experience for me. He claimed he was imitating the basic sequences of the processes of memory and perception and that, by varying those sequences, he could control my experience. Could he have done it from a distance? Could it be done on a wider scale? Suddenly prospects of magnetic mind control seem an awful lot worse than the idea of being abducted by imaginary aliens.

once you start to put things together from the natzi through operation paper clip,the cold war, experimental aircraft , UFO`s,abductions
You realize how many people have been effected and experimented on.

Saying that theres a few things that I have experienced that I can`t explian even with this technology effecting my brain!!!!!

[mephibosheth]

Good point not seen one thread in over 2 years stating that, or was Buddha etc real?

For Mohammed, as Muslims will tell you, there seems to be a fair bit of evidence that he was a real person. But in reality, not much about his life is know for certain. As for his words, well, again, Muslims will tell you that the Quraan we have today is the unaltered Quraan that Mohammed himself recited, as collated from scores and scores of contemporaries who had memorized it and various other printed sources existing at the time of Mohammed's death. There is some question about the transition from the first collation of the Quraan to the final version that we have today, but there seems to be little disagreement that the version we have today is 1500 years old (give or take), without being altered or corrupted.

For Sakyamuni Buddha the case is not as strong. Like most ancient traditions, his teachings were preserved orally for generations until they were finally committed to a written form. There is some debate about what is the most essential of these teachings, and what constitutes the true teachings, but it is also at that point that the historical validity of the teachings starts to loose importance to Buddhists. There are some sutras, like the Lotus Sutra or the Amitabha Sutras, that start appearing much later in history. They seem rather convenient, even though they contain very profound teachings that can and have changed the course of Buddhist evolution. The thing with Buddhism is that for many Buddhists, it is irrelevant whether Sidhartha Guatama ever existed. The only important thing is the essence of the teachings and whether they actually work to bring liberation to people. Now, I'm sure some folk may say that that's a great little mechanism for the elite to get people to follow a path without questioning it's foundations. Maybe. But there must be some payoff, so to speak. Because Buddhists aren't relying on a god-figure to resolve things for them, to liberate them, they aren't waiting for any future circumstance of event, and hence, know that it is all and only their personal individual responsibility to move closer to liberation in this here life right now. What I mean is that if there wasn't something to it, it would've died out a long time ago. As it is, it's still practical to practice Buddhism to this day, and Buddhists are finding their teachings coming into accord with what 'modern science' reveals about the nature of the universe.

I hope Jesus was a real person. Because otherwise it's been one hell of a con job, and a lot of blood spilled. But even if he was, it's more likely he was more like how Islam depicts him, than how Christianity glorifies and idolatrates him.

For me, there's too much doubt and too much room for error to put 100% faith in any of these ancient texts. So it's best to read through them with an open heart and mind and pick out the things that resonate most strongly with you. Those are the things that are most likely to be true. And there's no doubt that each of these traditions do contain some truth.

8)

[miracles]

Thats what i stated at the end of my post

Unless you can actually do it yourself to experience it , even then how can you be sure its not an implanted image or drug induced experience ?:D

Yes I know.

I am God, there is no proof. I am also Superman. Here is some information.

Cheers

[miracles]

Honestly, I blame the church itself for chasing people away from Christ in the first place. Ironic as that sounds.

If you are Christ's, nothing can chase you away. If you aren't then only the The Holy Spirt draws you to Christ not people. If you go to a chruch, and dont like the human beings, what did you expect. The Holy Spirit will not ever stop drawing you to Christ, but if you reject the Holy Spirit and Christ, this is the unforgiveable sin. To die with out Christ.

[miracles]

The scriptures, the words of Jesus the Christ "the Christos" the annointed one, are hidden only for those who are not willing to humble themselves (get the ego out of the way) and "listen" to His words with their hearts.

That's why Jesus said "seek and you will find". if you seek Him with all of your heart, and be willing to put aside your preconcieved ideas of what you think or don't think about Him, you will find Him.

I was fortunate not to have been raised with any "faith', so I really didn't have any preconcieved notions about it. Loved ones close to me were not so fortunate, and had a tough time overcoming "religion" that was forced upon them. What they were always "taught" didn't line up with what was reality, so there was a confusing message they recieved about who God is.

Once they decided to suspend all their false teachings they recieved about who God is and who Christ is and what they are like, they saw a true picture of God and God's true love for mankind. But they had to find it on thier own.

And it helped to read the words that Christ said. Not because someone told them to, but they did it for themselves.


Absolutely Dead on. I got a hold of a red letter version of the bible, with all the words Jesus ever spoke in red, that was all I wanted to read at first. I became a Christian after that, on my own, reading those words. Later I went to a church and got baptised and confessed my faith in front of men, becuase Jesus said this is what I must do. Ive been too dissapointed and hurt by chruches to stay, but I have never lost my faith.

Thanks for posting that. It reminds me of my first love. God bless you.:)

[kingmonkey]

I'm interested to know what Christians believe to be good evidence of Christ/Jesus' actual existence...As I can see there isn't any. This isn't a dig, I'm curious to know. And if you do believe in something with no evidence, why? And why the bible? If you're gonna believe in something with no evidence, there's a whole host of things to choose from; elves, fairies, reptilian shape-shifters...In fact, there seems to be more evidence(anecdotal at least) of Icke's reptilians than there does Jesus.

It's an honest question. There are plenty of people who say he doesn't exist, why do christians think he did/does?

[meksar]

The "Christ" people worship is a fraud just like father Christmas, Cesare Borgia was Leonardo Da Vinci's favorite homosexual partner and Leo painted him very well.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[kingmonkey]

What's he gotta do with Jesus? He was born 1500 years later...I'm confused! I get the fact that some inbred, racist mystery school types decided to make Jesus look European and base the image after one of their own but apart from that..I see no connection.

He wasn't white,You obviously didn't see the addition to my post. But that's just the manipulation of the image...It still doesn't have any bearing on whther or not the man existed in the first place.

[hellosatellites]

If you are Christ's, nothing can chase you away. If you aren't then only the The Holy Spirt draws you to Christ not people. If you go to a chruch, and dont like the human beings, what did you expect. The Holy Spirit will not ever stop drawing you to Christ, but if you reject the Holy Spirit and Christ, this is the unforgiveable sin. To die with out Christ.


I think coco has a point in that jesus christs teachings were not intended to create christians but to create christs. To realize the christ nature/spirit within, that jesus himself had experienced.

Most christians, and churches, means well obviously, but they do seem to have missed that point about becoming like christ - not as a christian dogma -but as a fully self realized spiritual being acting out of love and compassion. Innocent and non-judgmental like children.

It's a high ideal to have :) I'm glad i don't have to measure myself against jesus christs radical activism and his spiritual mission...i can still have the benefit of being inspired by his teachings though.

[meksar]

What's he gotta do with Jesus? He was born 1500 years later...I'm confused!

That is the image that is widely accepted as Jesus Christ due to the Vatican's(Whore of Babylon) intervention and rewriting of history. The Priory Of Sion(Zion) was nothing more than a slap in the face to Israelite's who were forced out of their homeland and sold into bondage(Egypt) and burned at the stake.We know for a fact no Khazar's or Aryan's were being subject to brutality in Egypt, so how could Yahshuah have been a white person?.

The basis for the religions was White supremacy and Misogyny because they know people of "color" and females have a stronger connection to the cosmic beyond. They do not want humanity to evolve spiritually so they white wash everthing that tears apart the White Man's theory.

[kingmonkey]

I wrote:

What's he gotta do with Jesus? He was born 1500 years later...I'm confused! I get the fact that some inbred, racist mystery school types decided to make Jesus look European and base the image after one of their own but apart from that..I see no connection.He wasn't white,You obviously didn't see the addition to my post. But that's just the manipulation of the image...It still doesn't have any bearing on whether or not the man existed in the first place.

they know people of "color" and females have a stronger connection to the cosmic beyond.Hmmm, I'd like to know how or why they think this. At a guess I'd say it was because they're going on what connection they themselves have, which is clearly not much of one looking at their deeds and actions.

[meksar]

I wrote:
Hmmm, I'd like to know how or why they think this. At a guess I'd say it was because they're going on what connection they themselves have, which is clearly not much of one looking at their deeds and actions.

Research Melanin, most conspiracy researchers don't want to talk about it.

[ragdoll]

A Case for Christ by Lee Strobel is an awesome read for disbelievers. When he began his research for this book he was an atheist.

As for Jesus being real ... I can only speak from my personal experiences throughout my life. Only when I was reborn in Christ did I realize how God had been with me always ... I was the only who was running away. My heart has changed so much since Jesus came into my heart. He's very real ....

[kingmonkey]

Research Melanin, most conspiracy researchers don't want to talk about it.

It's an interesting subject. The problem with the melanin issue is that it's used by various black radicals to justify racism against whites. But like most things, there's a lot of truth in some of the theories but they get overshadowed by the "extreme" views of the few. Interestingly, people with red hair/freckles also have high levels of melanin (pheomelanin) in their skin and they're often treated less than brilliantly by a lot of people in society.

[meksar]

It's an interesting subject. The problem with the melanin issue is that it's used by various black radicals to justify racism against whites. But like most things, there's a lot of truth in some of the theories but they get overshadowed by the "extreme" views of the few. Interestingly, people with red hair/freckles also have high levels of melanin (pheomelanin) in their skin and they're often treated less than brilliantly by a lot of people in society.

Exactly we all have a level of melanin inside us and we should make the most of it. The reason why some people may come across as radicals is because the elite have shown no mercy towards indigenous population's throughout history. The elite have extensive knowledge of the magical nature of melanin and they use it in a negative manner in their rituals to harvest energy for their superior and hidden non human masters.

[mephibosheth]

I think coco has a point in that jesus christs teachings were not intended to create christians but to create christs. To realize the christ nature/spirit within, that jesus himself had experienced.

Most christians, and churches, means well obviously, but they do seem to have missed that point about becoming like christ - not as a christian dogma -but as a fully self realized spiritual being acting out of love and compassion. Innocent and non-judgmental like children.



Amen!

[coco]

If you are Christ's, nothing can chase you away. If you aren't then only the The Holy Spirt draws you to Christ not people. If you go to a chruch, and dont like the human beings, what did you expect. The Holy Spirit will not ever stop drawing you to Christ, but if you reject the Holy Spirit and Christ, this is the unforgiveable sin. To die with out Christ.

Absolutely Dead on. I got a hold of a red letter version of the bible, with all the words Jesus ever spoke in red, that was all I wanted to read at first. I became a Christian after that, on my own, reading those words. Later I went to a church and got baptised and confessed my faith in front of men, becuase Jesus said this is what I must do. Ive been too dissapointed and hurt by chruches to stay, but I have never lost my faith.
Thanks for posting that. It reminds me of my first love. God bless you.:)

My disappointment in man's frailties are one thing. We are human and thus frail but some parishioners do not attempt to try to look at themselves, cause and effect, that sort of thing. Some do. I hold those in great repsect for their attempts.

NO! I'm not perfect. I am perfectly frail. Journeying on, seeking and praying for God to put that mirror up to my face. Thankfully He does that in His way, I feel sometimes what others feel, and sometimes I wish someone would just yell at me and point stuff out and knock me down figuratively. A good old shaming and embarrasment can work introspective wonders so long as it's true and just and not just b/c you don't like the way I fold the newspaper or I may write with my left hand or my skirt length does not match your daily measurings.

My greater disappointment, however, lies with the church. An organization run by 'man the frail' but supposed to be administered by men who have dedicated their lives to God, His study, all things of God The Father and yet they have run amock for centuries bickering amonst themselves and running over the earth like brats.

[kingmonkey]

I think coco has a point in that jesus christs teachings were not intended to create christians but to create christs. To realize the christ nature/spirit within, that jesus himself had experienced.



Interesting point. Coco, can you expand on this a bit? Why do you say that? I mean, what bits of the bible/Jesus' words make you say that?

[coco]

I think coco has a point in that jesus christs teachings were not intended to create christians but to create christs. To realize the christ nature/spirit within, that jesus himself had experienced.

Most christians, and churches, means well obviously, but they do seem to have missed that point about becoming like christ - not as a christian dogma -but as a fully self realized spiritual being acting out of love and compassion. Innocent and non-judgmental like children.

It's a high ideal to have :) I'm glad i don't have to measure myself against jesus christs radical activism and his spiritual mission...i can still have the benefit of being inspired by his teachings though.

Ah. Thank you. You are much better at verbalizing the thought. :)

[coco]

Interesting point. Coco, can you expand on this a bit? Why do you say that? I mean, what bits of the bible/Jesus' words make you say that?

Well, it didn't start out at all grandiose. :o Just something that seemed like a contradiction I noticed:

Matthew 6:7 (New International Version)
7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.

That nugget started the whole thing for me. And yet there were long, repetitive prayers for students and certainly for the religious (nuns, priests, brothers). Why? My young, childish mind asked, 'But didn't Jesus say..?'

Other little things came to my attention over the years that just added either thick or thin layers to this cake of mine. Once I saw a program on human sexuality and a nun appeared briefly on the program stating that God created sex and He created it to feel good as a physical expression of love. After I picked myself up off the floor and managed to close my gaping jaw I realized she was right, after all God did create us. But, as with any gift, we can sometimes misuse that gift and exploit it and use it for something it wasn't intended for.

Christ was about spirituality - the spiritual union with God. He came to remind us of things as things had gotten out of control. The Pharisees is a great example: Holy men living the life, wealthy, all things handed to them and their words never disputed. Sound familiar?

There are very poor priests and nuns who choose to live such a life but there are priests living in personal homes, driving personal cars, eating well, etc. And some Protestant pastors the same.

One need only read the words of Christ to see that His words didn't soak in with somebody, somewhere. Also, Christ did not tell us to gallop the world over with swords drawn above our heads and kill and torture people who have no knowledge of Him or are slow to come round to Him. Old habits can be hard to break but one need only speak the truth to bring the Light. Christ was a very patient guy. He would get ticked with us sometimes, though. He knew not everyone would accept Him and His words given by God.

Luke 9:4-5 (New International Version)
4Whatever house you enter, stay there until you leave that town. 5If people do not welcome you, shake the dust off your feet when you leave their town, as a testimony against them."

He instructed the Apostles to go forth and spread The Good News - His words from God - but if they reject it then pack up and move on to the next place. He did not say kill them and burn the town down. Perhaps it takes people time to mull over things before they come to a realization.

I have a little saying: It's all in your head (your mind). Naked Greek statues are not pornagraphic unless you feel that way and why do you? Is money the root of all evil? Or the love of money? Etc.

For me, at least, reading Christ's words turned on a lightbulb that I hope continues to get brighter. But one can read something like The Four Noble Truths, which I recently read. Budha authored that and to me they echo some of the sentiments Christ taught regarding materialism and the sorrow and weight it can bring.

[kingmonkey]

That's the thing with the bible...For me, the whole notion of god, or what the bible/church teaches goes against what Jesus was. For instance, the pharisees thing makes me like Jesus and understand him, I always thought that he was telling them that their view of god and their view of themselves had been corrupted and they were unfit to represent the "higher power"; that their status had ironically nullified their right to the office they held. But then, the pharisees to me, are the church today. The leaders of all the main religions are pompous and self righteous and most of the preachers/priests are no better. Doesn't it also say in the bible you should respect you leaders? (or something to that effect).

[coco]

That's the thing with the bible...For me, the whole notion of god, or what the bible/church teaches goes against what Jesus was. For instance, the pharisees thing makes me like Jesus and understand him, I always thought that he was telling them that their view of god and their view of themselves had been corrupted and they were unfit to represent the "higher power"; that their status had ironically nullified their right to the office they held. But then, the pharisees to me, are the church today. The leaders of all the main religions are pompous and self righteous and most of the preachers/priests are no better. Doesn't it also say in the bible you should respect you leaders? (or something to that effect).

Exactly the point of my little question: Sound familiar? :) The church still can teach. Teach me what not do, how not to behave, etc.

I learn sometimes by observing - a better way of doing something or a way I should not do things. And yes Christ told us to give unto Ceaser what belongs to him: taxes, or whatever in reference to government:

Matthew 22:19-23
19Show me the coin used for paying the tax." They brought him a denarius, 20and he asked them, "Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?"

21"Caesar's," they replied.
Then he said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."

But I think that Christ offended the Pharisees with what He said and shook others up a bit.

John 12:42
Yet at the same time many even among the leaders believed in him. But because of the Pharisees they would not confess their faith for fear they would be put out of the synagogue;

John 12:42 tells me that those who saw the light in Christ's teachings were fearful of outwardly confessing agreement as they could have been shunned and ridiculed by their peers, TPB, and society at large which leads me to:

Galatians 2:16
know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.

Galatians 2:16 reminds me that putting faith in man and man's creations would be to delude myself. Hey, no one thought Lehman Brothers would fail did they? I do not believe it calls us to mayhem and stealing - things that are against the law and for good reason.

[miracles]

My disappointment in man's frailties are one thing. We are human and thus frail but some parishioners do not attempt to try to look at themselves, cause and effect, that sort of thing. Some do. I hold those in great repsect for their attempts.

NO! I'm not perfect. I am perfectly frail. Journeying on, seeking and praying for God to put that mirror up to my face. Thankfully He does that in His way, I feel sometimes what others feel, and sometimes I wish someone would just yell at me and point stuff out and knock me down figuratively. A good old shaming and embarrasment can work introspective wonders so long as it's true and just and not just b/c you don't like the way I fold the newspaper or I may write with my left hand or my skirt length does not match your daily measurings.

My greater disappointment, however, lies with the church. An organization run by 'man the frail' but supposed to be administered by men who have dedicated their lives to God, His study, all things of God The Father and yet they have run amock for centuries bickering amonst themselves and running over the earth like brats.

I agree whole heartedly.

Heres a trick I learned recently. Every soul is a mirror. If we look into that soul and see something we dont like, it is "possibly" a reflection of what we dont like about ourselves. Obvioulsy I dont mean looking into the soul of someone like a Jeffrey Darmer or Ted Bundy or something.

Also it was suggested that I keep my mirror clean, because it gets dusty and dirty very easily. How do we keep it clean, humblng ourselves before God admitting our faults etc etc

Coming to these threads, I am faced with a great deal I don't like about myself. I thank the other members for that, I see I have work to do.

Just in case you think I was contradicting myself in two different posts - My point is we can not reject God, the bible and Christ, because of the total and utter perversions man (with Satans able assistance) has made of these things. This will not be a satisfactory defense come judgement day.

[coco]

I agree whole heartedly.

Heres a trick I learned recently. Every soul is a mirror. If we look into that soul and see something we dont like, it is probably a reflection of what we dont like about ourselves. Aslo I was to keep my mirror clean, becuase it gets dusty and dirty very easily.

Coming to these threads, I am faced with a great deal I don't like about myself.

Behind the keyboard people are more candid. I have received food for self reflection in this forum but mostly in another - where members are pretty fiesty anyway (I don't visit there anymore), but it was good for me as an American and a Westerner and certainly gave me things to think about I never had before. Eastern Europeans have unique cultures and histories. And darn good long term and short term memories.

[miracles]

The "Jesus" most people have accepted is actually Cesare Borgia who was the son of Pope Alexander V. He was a bi-sexual, pedophile and performed incest with his mother and sister. To top off an already impressive rap sheet he murdered his own brother in cold blood.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/Cesareborgia.jpg

Praise the Lord!

[miracles]

Behind the keyboard people are more candid. I have received food for self reflection in this forum but mostly in another - where members are pretty fiesty anyway (I don't visit there anymore), but it was good for me as an American and a Westerner and certainly gave me things to think about I never had before. Eastern Europeans have unique cultures and histories. And darn good long term and short term memories.

Would you mind PM the site please? Sounds interesting.

[miracles]

I think coco has a point in that jesus christs teachings were not intended to create christians but to create christs. To realize the christ nature/spirit within, that jesus himself had experienced.

Most christians, and churches, means well obviously, but they do seem to have missed that point about becoming like christ - not as a christian dogma -but as a fully self realized spiritual being acting out of love and compassion. Innocent and non-judgmental like children.

It's a high ideal to have :) I'm glad i don't have to measure myself against jesus christs radical activism and his spiritual mission...i can still have the benefit of being inspired by his teachings though.

Fair comment. And you are right.

In my expereince it is an impossible ideal to become like christ/God. I dont really buy that, striving for this sort of thing only leads to bitter dissapointment. We are called into God's rest. The fact is all the work has been done for us on the cross. The battle belongs to the Lord. However, one does need to take a lot of instruction and make a lot of actions because its very easy to stop abiding in christ. For one worrying about yesturday and tomorrow.

[amethyst]

I'm interested to know what Christians believe to be good evidence of Christ/Jesus' actual existence...As I can see there isn't any. This isn't a dig, I'm curious to know. And if you do believe in something with no evidence, why? And why the bible? If you're gonna believe in something with no evidence, there's a whole host of things to choose from; elves, fairies, reptilian shape-shifters...In fact, there seems to be more evidence(anecdotal at least) of Icke's reptilians than there does Jesus.

It's an honest question. There are plenty of people who say he doesn't exist, why do christians think he did/does?

I had a supernatural experience/encounter with the Spirit of the living God and learned about the depth to which God loves me and how much He loves all mankind, the animals and the earth He created.

In the beginning He said it was all "good'. If you don't believe me look it up. It's in Genesis.

God invading our dimension, the earth that He created and loves, and walked among us as a humble man embodied in Jesus the Christ.

The books in the Bible (though tampered with for various and shady reasons) nevertheless, share of God's love for mankind created in His image and likeness.

God IS love the scriptures say, and once someone tunes into that love frequency, they can never ever be the same as they once were.

[amethyst]

I think coco has a point in that jesus christs teachings were not intended to create christians but to create christs. To realize the christ nature/spirit within, that jesus himself had experienced.

Yes, most definitely. Modern day "Christianity" is a "religion".

Christ is a "relationship". Relationships are on-going and continually produce "life" if they are based on love.

And Christ Himself said, " I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly." (John 10:10)

"Religion" on the other hand, produces death.

[amethyst]

Fair comment. And you are right.

In my expereince it is an impossible ideal to become like christ/God. I dont really buy that, striving for this sort of thing only leads to bitter dissapointment. We are called into God's rest. The fact is all the work has been done for us on the cross. The battle belongs to the Lord. However, one does need to take a lot of instruction and make a lot of actions because its very easy to stop abiding in christ. For one worrying about yesturday and tomorrow.

Yeah, when you are worrying and fearful, you stop the flow of the Spirit of love, which is God. Not that the Spirit of God ever leaves, but the flow of His perfect love is temporarily stopped......resting in God is resting in His divine peace. Only we can stop the feeling of that, by us worrying, getting anxious etc. etc.

Christ talked a whole lot about worrying and how it does nothing for you.

That's what it means to abide in Christ...you are abidiing in pure love, pure power..... purity in every sense. Perfect peace that surpasses all understanding, dispite what is going on all around you.

None of us have stayed continually in that perfect flow, but the more we surrender to it, the more we experience infinite God's peace.

[coco]

Yeah, when you are worrying and fearful, you stop the flow of the Spirit of love, which is God. Not that the Spirit of God ever leaves, but the flow of His perfect love is temporarily stopped......resting in God is resting in His divine peace. Only we can stop the feeling of that, by us worrying, getting anxious etc. etc.

Christ talked a whole lot about worrying and how it does nothing for you.

That's what it means to abide in Christ...you are abidiing in pure love, pure power..... purity in every sense. Perfect peace that surpasses all understanding, dispite what is going on all around you.

None of us have stayed continually in that perfect flow, but the more we surrender to it, the more we experience infinite God's peace.


Awesome.

[amethyst]

Awesome.

Don't you wish you could always be like Christ for example, when he was in a boat with His disciples and there was a major storm tossing the boat to and fro, water filling it up, and HE WAS ACTUALLY ASLEEP :eek: completely undisturbed by the waves.

And the disciples woke Him up and said "don't you care that we are going to perish?" (Mark 4:38)

So all He did was get up and say "peace, be still!" to the waves and they were completely calm. Now that's awesome :D

[miracles]

Don't you wish you could always be like Christ for example, when he was in a boat with His disciples and there was a major storm tossing the boat to and fro, water filling it up, and HE WAS ACTUALLY ASLEEP :eek: completely undisturbed by the waves.

And the disciples woke Him up and said "don't you care that we are going to perish?" (Mark 4:38)

So all He did was get up and say "peace, be still!" to the waves and they were completely calm. Now that's awesome :D

Yes that is awesome, but further reiterates my point that we can not nor will never beable to do that, that Christ was God and that we are not Christ or God. And striving to be able to do that, well it's not wise to put it nicely.

[miracles]

[QUOTE=amethyst;879855]Yeah, when you are worrying and fearful, you stop the flow of the Spirit of love, which is God. Not that the Spirit of God ever leaves, but the flow of His perfect love is temporarily stopped......resting in God is resting in His divine peace. Only we can stop the feeling of that, by us worrying, getting anxious etc. etc.

Christ went as far as to say worry is sin.

Worry is actually evil, it's from Satan. Worry is fear and it demonstrates a complete lack of faith and trust in God. It took me 42 years to figure this out and to actively identify EVERY type of fear and eradicate it in a moment by moment basis from my life. As a result the freedom has been well worth the effort and overwhelmingly fantastic.

Until fear is eradicated (in all its forms) we will not enjoy the benefit of asking, believing and receiving for anything we ask of God.

The new age positive thinking "secret types" are on to this. But it was never a secret; it has been taken from the word of God. And fear is what robs "Christians" from experiencing a supernatural abundant life. To the point where by we can become people of means and people that can really change this world, turn it upside down and really make a difference.

That’s what I believe anyway. I want to make a difference, a big positive difference. Christ said we will do greater things than even HE.

[amethyst]

Yes that is awesome, but further reiterates my point that we can not nor will never beable to do that, that Christ was God and that we are not Christ or God. And striving to be able to do that, well it's not wise to put it nicely.

I'm going to disagree with you a bit 'miracles'...and it's funny reading what you said here because your nickname is "miracles".....But I beg to differ with you...Christ said in John 14: 12-13:

"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father.

And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son."

I believe in 'miracles" miracles :D Christ said we could do miracles by the power of His Spirit. Not for show, but because He's good, He loves us and desires us to because it shows His love and power.

[miracles]

I'm going to disagree with you a bit 'miracles'...and it's funny reading what you said here because your nickname is "miracles".....But I beg to differ with you...Christ said in John 14: 12-13:

"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father.

And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son."

I believe in 'miracles" miracles :D Christ said we could do miracles by the power of His Spirit. Not for show, but because He's good, He loves us and desires us to because it shows His love and power.

Thats cool, I don't have a problem with you dissagreeing with me because I know you are a genuine person and a believer.

However I'm going to emphatically disagree with your belief that Christ controlling the weather means that we also have the ability to do this. That scripture demonstartes that Christ was God.

Let's be reasonable here, other wise people will have a valid reason to believe that Christians are unreasonable people who have frankly lost the ability to demonstrate common sense. You can believe that you can change the weather all you like, but that does not mean the bible says we will have dominion over thses things. (meaning the ability to do a rain dance and bring rain and or say peace and stop a storm in the ocean)

[oiram]

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[amethyst]

Thats cool, I don't have a problem with you dissagreeing with me because I know you are a genuine person and a believer.

However I'm going to emphatically disagree with your belief that Christ controlling the weather means that we also have the ability to do this. That scripture demonstartes that Christ was God.

Let's be reasonable here, other wise people will have a valid reason to believe that Christians are unreasonable people who have frankly lost the ability to demonstrate common sense. You can believe that you can change the weather all you like, but that does not mean the bible says we will have dominion over these things.

Well I am assuming you have experienced miracles in your life? I have experienced miracles and prayed for them, because Christ said I could and would. This has been my experience and I hope to experience even greater miracles because of what Christ said.

What do you think of this scripture miracles?:

Christ said:

"For assuredly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be removed and be cast into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that those things he says will be done, he will have whatever he says." (Mark 11:23)

And:

"So Jesus said to them, "Because of your unbelief; for assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith as a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you. (Matthew 17:20)

A good portion of Christ teachings was telling His disciples that they would and could do as great of works that he did, because he gave the Spirit of God to them.

Granted, there have been those fraudulent tele-evangelists who claim all sorts of healings...with dollar signs attached mind you. That's not God and that's not love. That's for show and for greed.

[miracles]

Well I am assuming you have experienced miracles in your life? I have experienced miracles and prayed for them, because Christ said I could and would. This has been my experience and I hope to experience even greater miracles because of what Christ said.

What do you think of this scripture miracles?:

Christ said:

"For assuredly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be removed and be cast into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that those things he says will be done, he will have whatever he says." (Mark 11:23)

And:

"So Jesus said to them, "Because of your unbelief; for assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith as a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you. (Matthew 17:20)

A good portion of Christ teachings was telling His disciples that they would and could do as great of works that he did, because he gave the Spirit of God to them.

Granted, there have been those fraudulent tele-evangelists who claim all sorts of healings...with dollar signs attached mind you. That's not God and that's not love. That's for show and for greed.

'I dont' feel it's a good idea for Christians ( I assume you are a bible believing Christian?) to publically argue over the meaning of scripture. Happy to continue privately if you wish.

I will close by saying this; there are many parables, analogies and metaphors in the bible, not all of the text is to be taken literally. Yes man can move the mountain and cast it into the sea, however he will require some pretty big earth moving equipment to move it, it isn't going to move supernaturally and miraculously from one spot to another. Men are doing this every day, just look at whats going on in Dubai, their building countries in the shape of th world and selling them for millions.

[amethyst]

'I dont' feel it's a good idea for Christians ( I assume you are a bible believing Christian?) to publically argue over the meaning of scripture. Happy to continue privately if you wish.

I will close by saying this; there are many parables, analogies and metaphors in the bible, not all of the text is to be taken literally. Yes man can move the mountain and cast it into the sea, however he will require some pretty big earth moving equipment to move it, it isn't going to move supernaturally and miraculously from one spot to another. Men are doing this every day, just look at whats going on in Dubai, their building countries in the shape of th world and selling them for millions.

Well I don't personally see this as arguing, more as discussion but

I agree with you miracle man, that a lot of what Christ said were analogies and metaphors and not all should be taken literally. Like the Catholics look at the "bread and the wine' as a literal eating of Christ's body when they partake, whereas Christ said it was to be done in rememberance of Him.

But in the scriptures I listed in my previous post, I personally think Christ was illustrating a very important point that those who believe in Him shall actually do and demonstrate miracles. I can only speak personally, but I have seen miracles in my own life and in the lives of others.

I have seen people healed when they were very sick etc. and other such miracle too numerous to mention here. It brings me and it also brings Christ great joy to see miracles happen because God is a supernatural and miraculous God my friend! :)

Why put your own self imposed limits on what God can and cannot do in a person's life?

When you don't believe in miracles, you are the one doing the limiting, not Christ. God wants to display His supernatural power to the world to show how much He loves them and to show forth His greatness.

Why else did Jesus go around healing all that were sick and demon possessed? Christ hated to see them suffering my friend! Sickness comes from the evil one Satan. And also from from lack of knowledge about how to take care of ourselves too.

Christ also taught His first disciples that they could also do likewise, heal in His power. Remember when His disciples said that the demons were being cast out by the power of Christ's name?

That is what God calls natural "Christianity". It was happening in the very beginning of "Christianity' and it should be happening now. But "religion" has stopped this happening because religion brings death and Christ wants to bring life. Christ is not dead but alive in the hearts of people by His Spirit, and thus wants this in people's lives. Because He loves us! That's the basis of ALL that He does and desires!

Why try and limit that?

[coco]

Don't you wish you could always be like Christ for example, when he was in a boat with His disciples and there was a major storm tossing the boat to and fro, water filling it up, and HE WAS ACTUALLY ASLEEP :eek: completely undisturbed by the waves.

And the disciples woke Him up and said "don't you care that we are going to perish?" (Mark 4:38)

So all He did was get up and say "peace, be still!" to the waves and they were completely calm. Now that's awesome :D

Christ is always calm and centered and has a grasp of the big picture doesn't he? Through His actions He demonstrates His super spiritual/faith connection.

[amethyst]

Christ is always calm and centered and has a grasp of the big picture doesn't he? Through His actions He demonstrates His super spiritual/faith connection.

Yes :)

[hellosatellites]

This thread is totally beautiful, a delight to read all the posts here :)

[coco]

This thread is totally beautiful, a delight to read all the posts here :)

That's great! Hop in anytime! :)

[2013]

[QUOTE=amethyst;879855]Yeah, when you are worrying and fearful, you stop the flow of the Spirit of love, which is God. Not that the Spirit of God ever leaves, but the flow of His perfect love is temporarily stopped......resting in God is resting in His divine peace. Only we can stop the feeling of that, by us worrying, getting anxious etc. etc.

Christ went as far as to say worry is sin.

Worry is actually evil, it's from Satan. Worry is fear and it demonstrates a complete lack of faith and trust in God. It took me 42 years to figure this out and to actively identify EVERY type of fear and eradicate it in a moment by moment basis from my life. As a result the freedom has been well worth the effort and overwhelmingly fantastic.

Until fear is eradicated (in all its forms) we will not enjoy the benefit of asking, believing and receiving for anything we ask of God.

The new age positive thinking "secret types" are on to this. But it was never a secret; it has been taken from the word of God. And fear is what robs "Christians" from experiencing a supernatural abundant life. To the point where by we can become people of means and people that can really change this world, turn it upside down and really make a difference.

That’s what I believe anyway. I want to make a difference, a big positive difference. Christ said we will do greater things than even HE.

I was going to post that quote above . Yes fear is the killer when ever i have overcome it i have found my life flows so smoothly , of course it attempts to morph in to some other kind to continue its distraction so its a constant struggle to stay aware and not fall for it .
There is nothing to fear except fear itself .Cus damato to mike tyson but he was probably quoting someone else :D

[coco]

“The Only Thing We Have to Fear Is Fear Itself” - Franklin Delano Roosevelt, 32nd President of the United States, spoke that famous quote during his first Inaugural speech. Mr. Roosevelt took office during The Great Depression in 1933 and was elected to four terms as President serving during some of the most challenging times America experienced during the 20th century.

Mr Roosevelt did not complete his fourth term of office as he passed away.

[stfd]

Jesus was/is real period

[mephibosheth]

Don't you mean 'Jesus is real' exclaimation mark?


JESUS is real!

Jesus IS real!

Jesus is REAL!


Get real. Get Jesus.

Download your copy of Jesus v.ΑΩ today! Holy Bible.org.

[mariag]

That have been chatting with me on several post about GOD or and jesus etc , but I do believe that there is a "Jesus" figure but he/she is a spiritual being , this is my believe ok so disregarrding the Bible and so on I believe in Jesus and that Jesus is one of many lightworkers to help in turning the evil and restore the Love in the world.
Reason for my claim is that while being devestated and filled with sorrow today I saw nothing but darkness all around but all of a "sudden" ( no coinsidences) I had a revelation or whatever to call it:) I heard a song playing on a website while searching for tutorials o make blinkies ( graphics)and it is called "I can only imagine".
I don´t know but the lyrics got to me and all my pain and sadness seemed gone and vanished .
This is why I think that I have to reconsider my earlier statements about GOD .
:D
There now I said it
Love and Peace ...

[amethyst]

That have been chatting with me on several post about GOD or and jesus etc , but I do believe that there is a "Jesus" figure but he/she is a spiritual being , this is my believe ok so disregarrding the Bible and so on I believe in Jesus and that Jesus is one of many lightworkers to help in turning the evil and restore the Love in the world.
Reason for my claim is that while being devestated and filled with sorrow today I saw nothing but darkness all around but all of a "sudden" ( no coinsidences) I had a revelation or whatever to call it:) I heard a song playing on a website while searching for tutorials o make blinkies ( graphics)and it is called "I can only imagine".
I don´t know but the lyrics got to me and all my pain and sadness seemed gone and vanished .
This is why I think that I have to reconsider my earlier statements about GOD .
:D
There now I said it
Love and Peace ...

Yeah, this has happened to a number of people Mariag.....peace comes, out of the blue....I believe it is the Spirit of God. known as the "comforter", because that what the Spirit does, comforts.

[mariag]

Yeah, this has happened to a number of people Mariag.....peace comes, out of the blue....I believe it is the Spirit of God. known as the "comforter", because that what the Spirit does, comforts.

hehe This spirit definately comforted me for sure . Wow I have neve before felt such a prescence in my life. It felt so REAL and so CALM :D

I will never have doubts again

[coco]

'I can only imagine' is a happy song. Heard it play many times on the radio.

[mariag]

'I can only imagine' is a happy song. Heard it play many times on the radio.

I love it , I just downloaded it and its an acoustic recording and it is so yes HAPPY and filled with hope and love and yes spiritual.
My hair on me arms is rising hehehe. wow

[amethyst]

hehe This spirit definately comforted me for sure . Wow I have neve before felt such a prescence in my life. It felt so REAL and so CALM :D

I will never have doubts again

Jesus in the book of John says this: (probably my favorite book in the New testament- the book of John is all about LOVE ;))

"But the Comforter, even the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said unto you.

Peace I leave with you; my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be fearful." (John 14:26-27)

[mariag]

Jesus in the book of John says this: (probably my favorite book in the New testament- the book of John is all about LOVE ;))

"But the Comforter, even the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said unto you.

Peace I leave with you; my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be fearful." (John 14:26-27)
They have made a movie about the book of John have you seen it? its almost 3 hours long it is a good movie .
I like the book of John .

[amethyst]

They have made a movie about the book of John have you seen it? its almost 3 hours long it is a good movie .
I like the book of John .

No, I've never seen it. I'll have to rent it sometime. I like the "Jesus of Nazareth" film. I think it's well acted. They have it on youtube.

[mariag]

No, I've never seen it. I'll have to rent it sometime. I like the "Jesus of Nazareth" film. I think it's well acted. They have it on youtube.

Do you mean the Jesus of Nazareth in 4 episodes? in that case I have seen it on tele . They use to show it around easter here in Sweden.
Its an amazing tv serie.
Really good . :)

[mariag]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUL3Jw9Kg40
Amethyst is this the one you mean?

[amethyst]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUL3Jw9Kg40
Amethyst is this the one you mean?

Yep, that's the one. The guy who played Jesus has these electrifying eyes :D

I love the actors in this film.

[mariag]

Yep, that's the one. The guy who played Jesus has these electrifying eyes :D

I love the actors in this film.

I know , his eyes are amazing . Yes it is a very good movie,

[dedicate]

Is Jesus Real?

What is Real? If you mean by existing, then what IS real?!

Is Buddha Real? By his own words nothing is real not even the Buddhas. Nor the Three Wheels of Dharma nor the Sutras have ever existed nor will they. From the point of view of Mind.

What did Jesus have to say about what was real? A record of a man who is said to exist does exist;I know I've heard it somewhere. Jesus spoke from the heart so was heard to say something from the heart, I know, I've heard it somewhere. Concerning reality Jesus said where one's heart is there will the treasure (reality) be. Very good indeed. Jesus just about says it all and Buddha says there is nothing to say about it realy in reality.

[miracles]

Is Jesus Real?

What is Real? If you mean by existing, then what IS real?!

Is Buddha Real? By his own words nothing is real not even the Buddhas. Nor the Three Wheels of Dharma nor the Sutras have ever existed nor will they. From the point of view of Mind.

What did Jesus have to say about what was real? A record of a man who is said to exist does exist;I know I've heard it somewhere. Jesus spoke from the heart so was heard to say something from the heart, I know, I've heard it somewhere. Concerning reality Jesus said where one's heart is there will the treasure (reality) be. Very good indeed. Jesus just about says it all and Buddha says there is nothing to say about it realy in reality.


Jesus Christ is Reality:)

[miracles]

Well I don't personally see this as arguing, more as discussion but

I agree with you miracle man, that a lot of what Christ said were analogies and metaphors and not all should be taken literally. Like the Catholics look at the "bread and the wine' as a literal eating of Christ's body when they partake, whereas Christ said it was to be done in rememberance of Him.

But in the scriptures I listed in my previous post, I personally think Christ was illustrating a very important point that those who believe in Him shall actually do and demonstrate miracles. I can only speak personally, but I have seen miracles in my own life and in the lives of others.

I have seen people healed when they were very sick etc. and other such miracle too numerous to mention here. It brings me and it also brings Christ great joy to see miracles happen because God is a supernatural and miraculous God my friend! :)

Why put your own self imposed limits on what God can and cannot do in a person's life?

When you don't believe in miracles, you are the one doing the limiting, not Christ. God wants to display His supernatural power to the world to show how much He loves them and to show forth His greatness.

Why else did Jesus go around healing all that were sick and demon possessed? Christ hated to see them suffering my friend! Sickness comes from the evil one Satan. And also from from lack of knowledge about how to take care of ourselves too.

Christ also taught His first disciples that they could also do likewise, heal in His power. Remember when His disciples said that the demons were being cast out by the power of Christ's name?

That is what God calls natural "Christianity". It was happening in the very beginning of "Christianity' and it should be happening now. But "religion" has stopped this happening because religion brings death and Christ wants to bring life. Christ is not dead but alive in the hearts of people by His Spirit, and thus wants this in people's lives. Because He loves us! That's the basis of ALL that He does and desires!

Why try and limit that?

In that case why aren't all the faith healers in the hospitals every nite healing everyone and why haven't a seen christian move a mountain supernaturally?

[miracles]

That have been chatting with me on several post about GOD or and jesus etc , but I do believe that there is a "Jesus" figure but he/she is a spiritual being , this is my believe ok so disregarrding the Bible and so on I believe in Jesus and that Jesus is one of many lightworkers to help in turning the evil and restore the Love in the world.
Reason for my claim is that while being devestated and filled with sorrow today I saw nothing but darkness all around but all of a "sudden" ( no coinsidences) I had a revelation or whatever to call it:) I heard a song playing on a website while searching for tutorials o make blinkies ( graphics)and it is called "I can only imagine".
I don´t know but the lyrics got to me and all my pain and sadness seemed gone and vanished .
This is why I think that I have to reconsider my earlier statements about GOD .
:D
There now I said it
Love and Peace ...

Wow thats absolutely fantastic news, Awesome, thanks for sharing, and for being honest. Thats so cool:cool:

[miracles]

They have made a movie about the book of John have you seen it? its almost 3 hours long it is a good movie .
I like the book of John .

Cool, real glad to hear that too. :cool:

[mariag]

**** quoted insults removed ****

Hi broadperspective.
Sorry for telling you I mean no offence to you in person but really you should concider to be more polite and to be more "nice" in your way of "attacking" others.
It is not nice to accuse people . What do you mean about kid on ritalin btw?
A lot of people are on medication and it does not mean that they are "morons" or arrogant. In fact if he or she was on ritalin as you so accuse him or her of , what´s that to you?
If they choose to use medication for whatever purpose its none of your business.
Please do not attack people in this manor it is hurtful and arrogant.
No offence intended just a little "please think about what you are saying" ok?
Peace

[mariag]

Cool, real glad to hear that too. :cool:

Hi miracles.
Yes what happened yesterday had a very strong impact on me and Im feeling hope and love . It is an amazing power and frankly it must be as amethyst said a spirit of "comfort".
Really I have no doubts anymore, If this is Jesus or not that is not of importance . What is important is that I know in my heart that this spirit is GOOD and from The Divine and here to help .
I am almost sure that this spirit is what John and peter and everyone else in the "New testament" is talking about . I still think that the bible has been utterly tampered with and what we read today is not really what was written in its contex. I would love to get a chance to read older scriptures and to be able to learn hebrew so -I can read and understand what it really means. Words are being interpret differently and that could mean that the contex of the Bible means different things to different persons. I am sorry if this offend anyone but it is just my curiosity and my intuition speaking. I am not denying Jesus , not after tonight anyway all I am saying is that I think that someone ( probably the NWO) has been tampering with the scriptures to make it suitable for the agenda.
They have removed and added things of that I am almost sure.

[miracles]

Hi miracles.
Yes what happened yesterday had a very strong impact on me and Im feeling hope and love . It is an amazing power and frankly it must be as amethyst said a spirit of "comfort".
Really I have no doubts anymore, If this is Jesus or not that is not of importance . What is important is that I know in my heart that this spirit is GOOD and from The Divine and here to help .
I am almost sure that this spirit is what John and peter and everyone else in the "New testament" is talking about . I still think that the bible has been utterly tampered with and what we read today is not really what was written in its contex. I would love to get a chance to read older scriptures and to be able to learn hebrew so -I can read and understand what it really means. Words are being interpret differently and that could mean that the contex of the Bible means different things to different persons. I am sorry if this offend anyone but it is just my curiosity and my intuition speaking. I am not denying Jesus , not after tonight anyway all I am saying is that I think that someone ( probably the NWO) has been tampering with the scriptures to make it suitable for the agenda.
They have removed and added things of that I am almost sure.

Dont worry, God has perserved his word, you can bank on that.

If you buy a concorndance you dont need to learn greek and hebrew, it has every word of the King James translated and linked back to the original greek and or hebrew, and I mean every AND, THE, A, AND, BUT, every single word and it is very easy to cross referrence any word for a deeper understanding of the greek or hebrew. I bought my first one for $15.00.

Once again I am so happy for you, it makes all the tripe that goes down here worthwhile to hear your story.

[mariag]

Dont worry, God has perserved his word, you can bank on that.

If you buy a concorndance you dont need to learn greek and hebrew, it has every word of the King James translated and linked back to the original greek and or hebrew, and I mean every AND, THE, A, AND, BUT, every single word and it is very easy to cross referrence any word for a deeper understanding of the greek or hebrew. I bought my first one for $15.00.

Once again I am so happy for you, it makes all the tripe that goes down here worthwhile to hear your story.

Thank you miracles , and oh btw MIRACLES do happens ;)

[miracles]

Thank you miracles , and oh btw MIRACLES do happens ;)

Yes I know, I am one.

[w1nstonsm1th84]

Just a reminder folks- please do not launch personal attacks against fellow forum members, it is against the Forum Guidelines (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/faq.php); and may result in warnings being issued. Please report such postings, but don't respond to them, as that tends to inflame the situation.

Thanks,

w1nstonsm1th84.

[amethyst]

In that case why aren't all the faith healers in the hospitals every nite healing everyone and why haven't a seen christian move a mountain supernaturally?

Good question. I don't know. The Bible discusses about certain individuals having "gifts" of healing just for that purpose. I myself have prayed for individuals and layed hands on them and seen them healed, so I can attest to the fact that miracles and healing do occur. Sometimes healings don't occur for various reasons.

As far as "mountains moving", for example, I have experienced and heard and known people who have prayed for protection on their homes, in the middle of a hurricane, and seen their house not be touched at all, yet the rest of their neighborhood was demolished. In a town I lived in one time, there was a tornado heading straight for it, so I and some others prayed, and that tornado, virtually at the last second, turned and headed in a completely different direction.

Was that a direct answer to prayer? Well, in my instance, I believe so. I don't think there are any hard and fast rules about it. But what I am saying is I do believe it can happen.

On the other hand, I don't feel Christ was saying that you go up to mountains and tell them to be "moved' jst for the sake of it. That would be foolish going around talking to mountains, and yes, I agree with you that Christ was using this figure of speach as an illustration, a metaphor. But to me, the principal behind what he was saying is that He will give those who believe, the ability to have "mountain moving" faith to see miracles in certain instances.

As I said before, why limit Him and His awsome power?

[amethyst]

Hi miracles.
Yes what happened yesterday had a very strong impact on me and Im feeling hope and love . It is an amazing power and frankly it must be as amethyst said a spirit of "comfort".
Really I have no doubts anymore, If this is Jesus or not that is not of importance . What is important is that I know in my heart that this spirit is GOOD and from The Divine and here to help .
I am almost sure that this spirit is what John and peter and everyone else in the "New testament" is talking about . I still think that the bible has been utterly tampered with and what we read today is not really what was written in its contex. I would love to get a chance to read older scriptures and to be able to learn hebrew so -I can read and understand what it really means. Words are being interpret differently and that could mean that the contex of the Bible means different things to different persons. I am sorry if this offend anyone but it is just my curiosity and my intuition speaking. I am not denying Jesus , not after tonight anyway all I am saying is that I think that someone ( probably the NWO) has been tampering with the scriptures to make it suitable for the agenda.
They have removed and added things of that I am almost sure.

Some of the ways the Bible has been tampered with for example, is certain translations will change certain words and put in other words, that change the original intent or meaning of the original hebrew or greek word.

Other ways the Bible has been tampered with is certain denominations ie: the Catholic church and other protestant denominations will misinterpret what certain scriptures are saying and twist the meanings of the scriptures, to make the scriptures "sound like" they are saying one thing, but in essence really mean something completely different.

In other words, they "isolate" a particular scipture, and build a whole denomination or catechism or teaching around that one scripture-saying you have to do "this, this, this and this" in order to follow the scriptures the "right" way. But they actually miss the true "essense" of what Christ really meant when he said what He or some of His disciples really meant.

Jesus Christ was all about showing people how to be free from their religious bondages and truely wanted people to experience the liberating freedom to be who they were created to be. He pointed the way.

He even said, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed." (John 8:36)

And " And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." (John 8:32)

Miracles recommended a concordance, but there is also an easy concordance website on the internet called www.Blueletterbible.org that has a lot of different translations that you can click in and also when you click the "C" symbol, it will talke you right to the original hebrew of greek meaning of the word.

It makes looking up the original meaning of the words fast and esay. It's a great reference IMO.

[coco]

Some of the ways the Bible has been tampered with for example, is certain translations will change certain words and put in other words, that change the original intent or meaning of the original hebrew or greek word.

Other ways the Bible has been tampered with is certain denominations ie: the Catholic church and other protestant denominations will misinterpret what certain scriptures are saying and twist the meanings of the scriptures, to make the scriptures "sound like" they are saying one thing, but in essence really mean something completely different.

In other words, they "isolate" a particular scipture, and build a whole denomination or catechism or teaching around that one scripture-saying you have to do "this, this, this and this" in order to follow the scriptures the "right" way. But they actually miss the true "essense" of what Christ really meant when he said what He or some of His disciples really meant.

Jesus Christ was all about showing people how to be free from their religious bondages and truely wanted people to experience the liberating freedom to be who they were created to be. He pointed the way.

He even said, "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed." (John 8:36)

And " And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." (John 8:32)

Miracles recommended a concordance, but there is also an easy concordance website on the internet called www.Blueletterbible.org that has a lot of different translations that you can click in and also when you click the "C" symbol, it will talke you right to the original hebrew of greek meaning of the word.

It makes looking up the original meaning of the words fast and esay. It's a great reference IMO.

I'm going to check out that concordance site. Sounds easier than floating all over the web. I don't mind floating around the web chasing words as one things leads to another and next thing you know I've learned more that I originally intended but then I become distracted from my original intent.

[miracles]

I am withdrawing form all debate in the religeous threads, it is costing me sleep and peace of mind and negatively affecting me in my daily life. I'd like to say it's been fun, but it hasn't. I hope you all find what you are looking for. Im only writing this for any who may wonder, I dont think Im that important that anyone would miss me. :)