WTC7: This is an Orange

[john white]

New short film (2mins 18 secs) making a clear case for WTC7 controlled demolition

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3898962504721899003

Ideal for introducing the WTC7 issue

[emtec]

Clear case for WTC7 controlled demolition lol yeah right.

[narcolepticwatchman]

Clear case for WTC7 controlled demolition lol yeah right.

Ok emtec, so are you trying to infer that you think it was not a controlled demolition? How do you think it came down then? Whats your opinion....you must have one if you can blatantly disregard and pour scorn on totally valid theories and hypothesis........lets hear it.

[emtec]

It was damaged by falling debris and fire.

This may have had something to do with it


http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/7wtc.jpg

http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/WTC7Corner.jpg

I noticed how CT's usually only ever show the side with little damage

Captain Chris Boyle
Engine 94 - 18 years

Boyle: ...on the north and east side of 7 it didn’t look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didn’t look good.

Firehouse: When you looked at the south side, how close were you to the base of that side?

Boyle: I was standing right next to the building, probably right next to it.

Firehouse: When you had fire on the 20 floors, was it in one window or many?

Boyle: There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered throughout there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably about a third of it, right in the middle of it. And so after Visconti came down and said nobody goes in 7, we said all right, we’ll head back to the command post. We lost touch with him. I never saw him again that day.
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/boyle.html

Captain Varriale told Chief Coloe and myself that 7 World Trade Center was badly damaged on the south side and definitely in danger of collapse. Chief Coloe said we were going to evacuate the collapse zone around 7 World Trade Center, which we did.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110462.PDF

The biggest decision we had to make was to clear the area and create a collapse zone around the severely damaged [WTC Building 7]. A number of fire officers and companies assessed the damage to the building. The appraisals indicated that the building's integrity was in serious doubt.
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?id=1521846767-634

Deputy Chief Peter Hayden
Division 1 - 33 years

...also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.

Firehouse: Was there heavy fire in there right away?
Hayden: No, not right away, and that’s probably why it stood for so long because it took a while for that fire to develop. It was a heavy body of fire in there and then we didn’t make any attempt to fight it. That was just one of those wars we were just going to lose. We were concerned about the collapse of a 47-story building there. We were worried about additional collapse there of what was remaining standing of the towers and the Marriott, so we started pulling the people back after a couple of hours of surface removal and searches along the surface of the debris. We started to pull guys back because we were concerned for their safety.
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/hayden.html

[emtec]

Ok emtec, so are you trying to infer that you think it was not a controlled demolition? How do you think it came down then? Whats your opinion....you must have one if you can blatantly disregard and pour scorn on totally valid theories and hypothesis........lets hear it.

Totally valid theory's lol. Then why dont demolition experts agree it looks like a controlled demolition. Don't tell me i know its the same excuse for everything experts cannot be trusted. As ever some guy somewhere with a book or a dvd to sell like Alex Jones or the loose change boys is much more trust worthy. BTW have you see the loose change boys get battered in interviews? I made a post with the url's here:

www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2650&page=27

[john white]

So emtec, how does asymetrical damage result in a symetrical collapse?

As you know full well, even NIST can't answer that one without admitting the patently obvious

Oranges are Apples eh?

[klinker]

Clear case for WTC7 controlled demolition lol yeah right.

People having different opinions are one thing Emtec but ffs do you honestly believe that WTC 7, which by the way is a steel framed building, came down in on itself at freefall speed into a nice pile of rubble because of fire and falling debris?

[emtec]

People having different opinions are one thing Emtec but ffs do you honestly believe that WTC 7, which by the way is a steel framed building, came down in on itself at freefall speed into a nice pile of rubble because of fire and falling debris?

Free fall speed are you sure?

[informationx]

According to part of the FEMA report regarding WTC7

The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to collapse remain unknown at this time. Although the total diesel fuel on the premises contained massive potential energy, the best hypothesis has only a low probability of occurrence

I think I would agree with the above. I think they started with the assumption that it had to be the fire that brought it down and, built the theory around that assumption.

But lets assume fire was the cause. Is it reasonable for the building to catastrophically dismantle itself like it did from fire. Perhaps it would of crumpled on itself like an old man bending to tie his laces, but not in such a regimented manner.

Its my opinion that it was one of the most superbly executed demolition jobs in history. All the weird storys surrounding that building lead me to believe it was common knowledge it would come down.

I don't however pay any weight to larry Silverstein's "pull it" comment. I don't think it matters what he said. What matters is what happened, and why.

[klinker]

Free fall speed are you sure?

Watch the video and time the descent. More or less the same as the free fall speed of the two towers. All three buildings met very little resistance on the way down.

Anyway you once again have not answered the question in my previous post.

[informationx]

Watch the video and time the descent. More or less the same as the free fall speed of the two towers. All three buildings met very little resistance on the way down.

Anyway you once again have not answered the question in my previous post.


Hi folks,

Heres a video regarding free fall speed with the timings

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-4322650841860671469&q=wtc7+free+fall+speed&total=20&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2

[pedsi]

Oh No:( Not Another Tedious Thread Of Troll Feeding............

No Offence Intended To The Genuine Members;)

[informationx]

Oh No:( Not Another Tedious Thread Of Troll Feeding............

No Offence Intended To The Genuine Members;)

I dont understand? Whos the troll, whos feeding what? etc, etc? lol

[john white]

Oh No:( Not Another Tedious Thread Of Troll Feeding............

No Offence Intended To The Genuine Members;)

The purpose of the thread is in the first post: to make people aware that this short film exists

And its very good

This thread does not need to prove anything (especially to a troll)

Oranges are Oranges

Only the delusional believe Oranges are Apples

[emtec]

Thing is i heard when this timing is done its done from a certain view where you cant actually see the start of the collapse when the penthouse starts to go.

[bigus_dickus]

cool

i'm thinking of starting a demolition company..

no expensive explosives, just fires in key spots and a little stroking by a bulldozer.

i'm gonna make millions!

[emtec]

Speak up callybhoy who are you calling a troll?

[emtec]

I will ask this why if as some say it looks like a controlled demolition cant anyone find a demolition expert who agrees with this.

[pedsi]

No worries john, as i said... no offence intended to genuine members

[informationx]

I will ask this why if as some say it looks like a controlled demolition cant anyone find a demolition expert who agrees with this.

Here you go emtec

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[emtec]

Here you go emtec

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgoSOQ2xrbI


OK one against the rest but i must say im a bit iffy about that video.

[informationx]

OK one against the rest but i must say im a bit iffy about that video.

LOL its good to be iffy. It would be good to do a proper research survey of demolition experts. Maybe change the colour of the WTC7 film, and just call it a different building name.

Get them to give their opinions on the film. Perhaps they have certain fears about giving an honest opinion on that film for many reasons.

Cheers

[emtec]

Why would they be fearful?

One of the loose change guys said NYFD men and women are fearful; to speak out. He had to apologise and probably wouldn't bother phoning them now if he was on fire.

[informationx]

Why would they be fearful?

One of the loose change guys said NYFD men and women are fearful; to speak out. He had to apologise and probably wouldn't bother phoning them now if he was on fire.

I dont think it dis-proves the case for explosives by saying what the loose change guys have or have not said. A full independent survey needs to be done across as many demolition experts as possible, as to whether they think building 7 was a demolition job.

Ill try it myself, ill find as many demolition experts in the UK as possible, ill fire of an email and see what the response is. Ill let you know how it turns out.

[pumma]

This was the first time in history that fire melted the steel according to the offical story...

More proof about demolition >>> Click!

[emtec]

I dont think it dis-proves the case for explosives by saying what the loose change guys have or have not said. A full independent survey needs to be done across as many demolition experts as possible, as to whether they think building 7 was a demolition job.

Ill try it myself, ill find as many demolition experts in the UK as possible, ill fire of an email and see what the response is. Ill let you know how it turns out.

Who said anything about the loose change guys thing disproving explosives. I was commenting on your remark about demolition experts having certain fears. I said the loose change guys claimed the NYFD guys were to fearful to talk and needed to retract that statement.

[informationx]

Who said anything about the loose change guys thing disproving explosives. I was commenting on your remark about demolition experts having certain fears. I said the loose change guys claimed the NYFD guys were to fearful to talk and needed to retract that statement.

Yes you are correct - that didnt make much sense. See im an honest chap. I make a mistake I say "SORRY :(" lol

[lottie]

brilliant video JW! cheers!

[emtec]

This was the first time in history that fire melted the steel according to the offical story...

More proof about demolition >>> Click!

The official story says the fire melted steel? I could have sworn it says it weakened the steel.

Let me ask you this if this is the first time fire melted steel what did they use before?

This was the first time in history that fire melted the steel according to the offical story

Wasnt it that Rosie lady that said that.

[pumma]

The official story says the fire melted steel? I could have sworn it says it weakened the steel.

Let me ask you this if this is the first time fire melted steel what did they use before?

Wasnt it that Rosie lady that said that.
You are right, but fire to weaken the steel at that level to become unstable then the effect like this would only happen if the building was at least few days (or more) in fire ...

[emtec]

Sorry it wouldn't take a few days.

The Kader Industrial toy factory's went down quicker than the world trade center buildings if i remember correctly. All of them were steel framed buildings so the claim that often made that the WTC buildings were the first steel framed buildings to fall from fire is also incorrect. The Kader factory's were not even damaged by an impact from a plane.

[graflok]

Sorry it wouldn't take a few days.

The Kader Industrial toy factory's went down quicker than the world trade center buildings if i remember correctly. All of them were steel framed buildings so the claim that often made that the WTC buildings were the first steel framed buildings to fall from fire is also incorrect. The Kader factory's were not even damaged by an impact from a plane.


Find a way to invalidate each and every bit of the mountain of evidence
pointing to 9/11 being an inside job and someone might listen to you.

BTW, comparing the Kader fire in Thailand (4-story concrete structures with an
unknown number of uninsulated steel supports and completely consumed by fire)
to the clockwork-precise collapse of the 3 WTC buildings is just lame.

Oh, and be sure to check out this link where emtec (posting as rumormill)
invites his "friends" to come over to this forum to mess with us "woo woos."
Just to give you an idea of his ethical position. ;)
link (http://apollohoax.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=theories&action=display&thread=1182013864&page=1)

[john white]

BTW, comparing the Kader fire in Thailand (4-story concrete structures with an
unknown number of uninsulated steel supports and completely consumed by fire)
to the clockwork-precise collapse of the 3 WTC buildings is just lame.


Very true: but thats how desperate skeptics defending the official lie have to be

Ran away from this one too:

So emtec, how does asymetrical damage result in a symetrical collapse?

As you know full well, even NIST can't answer that one without admitting the patently obvious

Oranges are Apples eh?

The truth about WTC7 is definately coming out: we have even seen hints about what the next level of cover story is likely to be

[emtec]

Very true: but thats how desperate skeptics defending the official lie have to be

Ran away from this one too:



The truth about WTC7 is definately coming out: we have even seen hints about what the next level of cover story is likely to be


Lol you wish.

So what of the claim the first steel framed building to collapse through fire? That's not true yeah?

John Boy i Don't have an answer for you.

[informationx]

Ive just started a thread on the Icke forum and it looks like its going to go off.

Theres some proper woo woos over there anyone fancy joining in?

www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5030

Just dont mention the reptilians

Emtec from the Apollo Hoax forums.

Well you destroyed any rational credibility you may of had. If have such a polarised view of "Woo Woo's" with differing opinions why bother engaging in the first place. The point of these forum is to exchange ideas, information, and see what fits the picture in the most accurate manner.

Seeing as your a senior member on a David Icke forum, you called also be claimed as a "Woo Woo"

The THE KADER TOY FACTORY FIRE was an interesting point. But trying to build a case for WTC 7 fire collapse using a building with a completely different set of variables to is structure is a very weak argument.

Especially in light of the opinion of fema saying fire collapse had a very low probability, and further investigation was needed.

[emtec]

Emtec from the Apollo Hoax forums.

Well you destroyed any rational credibility you may of had. If have such a polarised view of "Woo Woo's" with differing opinions why bother engaging in the first place. The point of these forum is to exchange ideas, information, and see what fits the picture in the most accurate manner.

Seeing as your a senior member on a David Icke forum, you called also be claimed as a "Woo Woo"

The THE KADER TOY FACTORY FIRE was an interesting point. But trying to build a case for WTC 7 fire collapse using a building with a completely different set of variables to is structure is a very weak argument.

Especially in light of the opinion of fema saying fire collapse had a very low probability, and further investigation was needed.

Hey dont people on here refer to others as sheeple lol woo woo is what people call you lot get over it.

[john white]

John Boy i Don't have an answer for you

Of course you don't have an answer. Asymetrical damage cannot result in a symetrical collapse. You can't admit that, becuase it would be tantamount to controlled demolition of your system slave belief system. So you cling to loonery like comparing a 47 storey skyscrapper to a factory fire. Telling that after scouring the planet for examples, thats the best the skeptics can come up with. Shame there's no useful examples in all the other fires in skyscrappers, ever, isnt it?

But that's ok: can't expect every mind to have the courage to work to be free. When the truth is out and consensus reality has come to accept the obvious, that Oranges are Oranges, not Apples, and that WTC7 was a controlled demolition, not a collapse through fire, you can creep out from hiding and claim to have known that all along. Its not as if anyone is going to know your the guy who hid behind screen names to pour abuse on truthseekers becuase the truth was too much for you

[informationx]

Hey dont people on here refer to others as sheeple lol woo woo is what people call you lot get over it.

Sheeple is a stupid name, and I have never used it. Woo Woo, sounds even worse. We are not a "lot", you obviously have set views about the people on this forum.

You seemed like a rational person before hand, using counter arguments in support of your hypothesis. But by your childish rhetoric you have weakened your steel.

Very bad form old chap

[pedsi]

I dont understand? Whos the troll, whos feeding what? etc, etc? lol

are things a bit clearer now informationx...........sorry for any confusion i may have caused;)

[informationx]

are things a bit clearer now informationx...........sorry for any confusion i may have caused;)

All is clear my son! lol No need to apologise :D

[graflok]

Hey dont people on here refer to others as sheeple lol woo woo is what people call you lot get over it.

The difference is we don't post invitations on public boards visible to
people all over the world and invite one and all (simply out of malice) to
join a forum that they really have no business joining just to cause trouble
on that forum.

[sidlittle]

NIST image as posted my emtec. Check out the infamous 'scoop' damage

http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/WTC7Corner.jpg


NIST image and citizens photo- compare and contrast the 'scoop' damage


http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/4161/b1bz1pf3.jpg


Once again, compare and contrast

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/9526/fakexs7.jpg

See it on youtube here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QJWfe6t5V8

cheers

[montag]

The difference is we don't post invitations on public boards visible to
people all over the world and invite one and all (simply out of malice) to
join a forum that they really have no business joining just to cause trouble
on that forum.
Yes we do (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5058&highlight=make+good+Confession%3A) unfortunately Graflok, I think the practiced should be discouraged no matter who the perpetrator or victim of this kind of tomfoolery may be..

What goes around comes around..

[graflok]

Yes we do (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5058&highlight=make+good+Confession%3A) unfortunately Graflok, I think the practiced should be discouraged no matter who the perpetrator or victim of this kind of tomfoolery may be..

I agree. Did you discourage it?

That other forum should have banned him as well. ;)

[montag]

I agree. Did you discourage it?
No I must admit I didn't at the time, but I think it should be from now..

[redman]

WTC 7 got " pulled "... straight from the Horses mouth. Mr Larry Silverstein.

What gets me with all of this, if the government didn't have nothing to hide then they would be answering the questions and proving it was what they claim it was.

I always go off reactions, and the reactions I see off politicians and the mainstream media is to ridicule the people who are asking these questions without actually answering the questions.

If they didn't have nothing to hide then there would be absolutely no need to ridicule people and the questions they want would of been answered and we wouldn't be still talking about the same shit 6 years on from the incident .

You don't even need to see any footage or documentary's like Loose change or go over and over the same shit, just look closely enough at the reactions from mainstream media and the people who are supposed to be running and " serving " the people of the United States.... That tells me everything I need to know on this subject.