Ayahuasca- Hancock and Icke

[hagbard_celine]

Ayahuasca is a hallucinogenic drug used by the natives of the Amazon rain forest. It is made from two plants, one containing the powerful psychedelic DMT and the other a substance that supresses the digestive enzyme that would otherwise break down the DMT in the stomach.

After reading David Icke's remarkable report of his experience with Ayahuasca I was keen to learn more on the subject. I soon discovered that there are many incosnsitancies between his report and that of others who've tried the drug. David says that he took Ayahuasca twice and claims he heard the voice of "Oneness" telling him that "Infinite Love is the only Truth, everything else is illusion". This has since become David's catchphrse. But this differs with other literature about the drug. For exmaple, Graham Hancock's book "Supernatural". Hancock took Ayahuasca 12 times and had visions of unearthly places and beings, much more in line with other reports of Ayahuasca experiences. Although he met many entities that spoke, none of them seemed at all wise or like "oneness".

I'm not suggsesting that David is lying, but he may be leaving out some details of what he experienced in the Amazon in 2002. It may be just what he experienced, as he experienced it. Ayahuasca is never exactly the same for every single person, but there are common themes present in nearly all other reports which are missing from David's testimony.

[fryertuck]

what aload of horse raddishes

[snog]

Ayahuasca is a hallucinogenic drug used by the natives of the Amazon rain forest. It is made from two plants, one containing the powerful psychedelic DMT and the other a substance that supresses the digestive enzyme that would otherwise break down the DMT in the stomach.

After reading David Icke's remarkable report of his experience with Ayahuasca I was keen to learn more on the subject. I soon discovered that there are many incosnsitancies between his report and that of others who've tried the drug. David says that he took Ayahuasca twice and claims he heard the voice of "Oneness" telling him that "Infinite Love is the only Truth, everything else is illusion". This has since become David's catchphrse. But this differs with other literature about the drug. For exmaple, Graham Hancock's book "Supernatural". Hancock took Ayahuasca 12 times and had visions of unearthly places and beings, much more in line with other reports of Ayahuasca experiences. Although he met many entities that spoke, none of them seemed at all wise or like "oneness".

I'm not suggsesting that David is lying, but he may be leaving out some details of what he experienced in the Amazon in 2002. It may be just what he experienced, as he experienced it. Ayahuasca is never exactly the same for every single person, but there are common themes present in nearly all other reports which are missing from David's testimony.

Howdy,
You've answered your own querie. Everyone does have a different experience depending on what frame of mind you are in. This is why there appear to be similar experiences for many such as the indigeneous groups of the Amazon. Generally they already have an intimate connection with nature and have been brought up their entire lives with teachings of oneness. Therefore they do have similar experiences. Many awakened westerners can also have these too.

I have personally experienced a plethora of different states through the use of psilocybin mushrooms. These include: self hatred, disintegration of the ego, self love, a complete exit of reality, re-experiencing my birth, connecting with nature, dealing with extremely frightening reptilians, loss of all fear, and also complete oneness.

Its such a quirky subject that cannot possibly be generalised in any one way whatsoever.

Im heading to the Amazon myself this year to spend some time with a shaman to try ayahuasca :) :confused: :rolleyes: :mad: :eek: :( :o :D
Cant wait

[drgonzo]

You could always try it and find out... I'd reccomend doing it the proper way with a shaman and what not but there are certain websites that sell the ingredients.

[2013]

Ayahuasca is a hallucinogenic drug used by the natives of the Amazon rain forest. It is made from two plants, one containing the powerful psychedelic DMT and the other a substance that supresses the digestive enzyme that would otherwise break down the DMT in the stomach.

After reading David Icke's remarkable report of his experience with Ayahuasca I was keen to learn more on the subject. I soon discovered that there are many incosnsitancies between his report and that of others who've tried the drug. David says that he took Ayahuasca twice and claims he heard the voice of "Oneness" telling him that "Infinite Love is the only Truth, everything else is illusion". This has since become David's catchphrse. But this differs with other literature about the drug. For exmaple, Graham Hancock's book "Supernatural". Hancock took Ayahuasca 12 times and had visions of unearthly places and beings, much more in line with other reports of Ayahuasca experiences. Although he met many entities that spoke, none of them seemed at all wise or like "oneness".

I'm not suggsesting that David is lying, but he may be leaving out some details of what he experienced in the Amazon in 2002. It may be just what he experienced, as he experienced it. Ayahuasca is never exactly the same for every single person, but there are common themes present in nearly all other reports which are missing from David's testimony.
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sorry if this isnt quote cant get my head around it yet .lol .
Anyhow Jeremy Narby's The cosmic Serpent is an excellent book on the subject Each experience is different 4 whoever experiences it ,and davids was in 2002 so thats in the past from where im standing and the past is another country 1987's just the isle of wight!:D

[hagbard_celine]

Howdy,
You've answered your own querie. Everyone does have a different experience depending on what frame of mind you are in. This is why there appear to be similar experiences for many such as the indigeneous groups of the Amazon. Generally they already have an intimate connection with nature and have been brought up their entire lives with teachings of oneness. Therefore they do have similar experiences. Many awakened westerners can also have these too.

I have personally experienced a plethora of different states through the use of psilocybin mushrooms. These include: self hatred, disintegration of the ego, self love, a complete exit of reality, re-experiencing my birth, connecting with nature, dealing with extremely frightening reptilians, loss of all fear, and also complete oneness.

Its such a quirky subject that cannot possibly be generalised in any one way whatsoever.

Im heading to the Amazon myself this year to spend some time with a shaman to try ayahuasca :) :confused: :rolleyes: :mad: :eek: :( :o :D
Cant wait

Hi, mate. Thanks for the reply.

I guess I'll have to somethinmg similar myself to really understand what's involved. I can understand why your exceited. Mind you, it must be a bit daunting too; you never know what you might find in that place.

[snog]

That's exactly right.

I've found that nothing can truly prepare you for what you go through in these states. You have to learn to just listen and observe, not try to understand it. And be ready to meet your deepest darkest self if it feels the need to talk to you. And on the flipside, be open enough to enter the bliss of oneness.

It's one hell of a rollercoaster ride. I thoroughly recommend it.

[oneofmany]

If you want to learn about these drugs, don't use amateur drug takers advice on them, akas Icke and Hancock. Go straight to the Guru, Terrence Mckenna.
What he didn't know about this subject, ain't worth knowing :cool:

[snog]

If you want to learn about these drugs, don't use amateur drug takers advice on them, akas Icke and Hancock. Go straight to the Guru, Terrence Mckenna.
What he didn't know about this subject, ain't worth knowing :cool:

That man was a rare genius, and so was his brother. Timothy Leary was another very fluent on the subject too.

[quest]

Thanks for the Terrence Mckenna reference, it looks very useful... Last year I pulled out at the last minute from going to Brasil to take Ayahuasca in a supervised manner. I'd considered it for quite some time, after listening to / reading Icke and Stuart Wilde's writings on the subject. The main reason for changing my mind (sic) came as a result of being informed by a Flower of Life meditation teacher that Ayahuasca could greatly interfere with one's Merkaba field. I've not had a chance to research this fully yet so it would be most useful to have any relevant information on the subject. I guess I'm also being cautious after had a lot of experience with hallucinogenic drugs quite a while back. Re the Flower of Life http://www.floweroflife.org/ http://www.drunvalo.net/

[oneofmany]

Also Ayahuasca isn't the only form of DMT out there. It grows readily in a number of plant varieties, and is easy to smoke.
No need for an expensive trip to South America, unless you want to do it 100% legal, but that's up to you

Happy Trippin :cool:

[wheresmyparachute]

silly rabbits! just call in the spirit of the plant! no need to get physical---

[father ted]

Also Ayahuasca isn't the only form of DMT out there. It grows readily in a number of plant varieties, and is easy to smoke.
No need for an expensive trip to South America, unless you want to do it 100% legal, but that's up to you

Oneofmany, can you tell us how to make something with the same properties as ayahuaska?

Ayahuasca is a hallucinogenic drug used by the natives of the Amazon rain forest. It is made from two plants, one containing the powerful psychedelic DMT and the other a substance that supresses the digestive enzyme that would otherwise break down the DMT in the stomach.

Where else can we find these two ingredients? or the same properties?

[oneofmany]

Oneofmany, can you tell us how to make something with the same properties as ayahuaska?



Where else can we find these two ingredients? or the same properties?

In Australia, the Acacia plant has a number of species that contain DMT which you can smoke the flower of but for the full effect need rendering (Don't go picking off live trees, find the foliage underneath the tree........These plants are sacred) Also a number of mushroom varieties also have DMT as well as the psilocybian mushrooms, with both type giving you a different doorway to your mind.

for more information on mushrooms go here http://www.jamesarthur.net/ja.html

for info on DMT usage refer to Terence McKenna who you will find on torrents and such. He has some interesting books about his trips in South America. theres also a book i read once called the spirit molecule, the Authors name I can't remember, sorry but it was a real, ah i just remembered his name, it was Dr Rick Strassman. That Book was really good, about all the same experiences these test trial subjects had in a DMT experiment.

P.S Doing this shit is illegal, just remember that i ain't condoning anything you do.

[father ted]

thanks for the info and links, I'm familliar with Terrance, one of the reasons I'm intrested about DMT. Terrance describes ayahuasca as being a different (slightly?) experience to mushrooms and given that I've taken mushrooms I want to see what other things there are.
The ones that I've taken, some call them tha golden tops, they're the ones that are golden yellow on top and fade to brown. What type is this, regarding properties/strength, how does this compare to ayahuaska and what other types are there in australia?

[snog]

DMT is supposedly completely different to psilocybin according to Terence. It can be far stronger depending on how you take it. I think the strongest method is 'snuffing' where someone else blows it up your nose with a pipe..... ouch. This only lasts about 10 minutes and is incredibly intense. Ayahuasca is a milder and slower acting brew which lasts a lot longer and is similar to mushrooms, but still very different.
Im gonna have to experience it for myself

[oneofmany]

Terrence referred to DMT as the businessman's trip, because a businessman could tale a trip in his lunchtime, wheras the psilocybin mushroom, will give you a much longer effect, not less potent but longer. Terrence talks about "being out in the billows" with the mushroom, waiting for wave after wave to smash into you until you find the right state of consciousness. I've never been that high :):):)

[limelady]

What nobody has thought to ask yet - and I am curious - is what do you think having the experiences of these mushrooms, DMT etc done for expanding your consciousness? In what way have you benefited? What (if any) are the lasting effects or long-term results of having such such experiences?

LL

[oneofmany]

I've only had one variety of mushroom, and they are the golden tops or Psilocybe subcubensis and unfortunately didn't have a sufficient quantity to bring out the full effects, so I'm not the best person to ask. I've never taken DMT either as i don't want to try it without adequate supervision (a shaman) but i have made it a study for a couple of years now.

[father ted]

Like oneofmany, the only had one variety of mushroom and it was the golden top. I haven't had DMT either.
As far as I'm concerned, and to answer your question the best I can limelady, is that everyone should take mushrooms. I personally think that it's a good way to expand your consciousness, but there are other ways I suppose, it's just that I haven't done any meditation or anything like that.

In what way have I benefited? I play drums and I've come up with some crazy funky shit and different concepts, that I otherwise wouldn't have thought of, not for years anyway. Spiritually, it's personall. My last mushroom trip had the "let go of your fears" theme. I suppose it depends on where you're at at the time. And it's different to everyone.
I don't think it's the drug talking or anything like that, Terrence Mkenna has said that as well. It just aids you. Of course, there's lots more to talk about, just that I don't want to write an exteemely long post.:D

[snog]

What nobody has thought to ask yet - and I am curious - is what do you think having the experiences of these mushrooms, DMT etc done for expanding your consciousness? In what way have you benefited? What (if any) are the lasting effects or long-term results of having such such experiences?

LL

Hi Limelady,

In one of my previous posts I mentioned the different ways in which mushrooms have enhanced my life and made me become very aware of who I really am. But to re-cap and make a long story short, when I first started listening to Icke I really didn't grasp the whole oneness thing, I understood the science behind it but it still didn't make a whole lot of sense or 'click' with me. A few months later I ate mushrooms for the first time in about 5 years and experienced the most WONDERFUL feeling of oneness and completeness. Anyone who has ever been in this state knows exactly what I am talking about..... it's indescribable.

And this feeling has stuck with me ever since. It will be impossible to forget.

On the contrary to un-educated beliefs, this feeling is not caused by the mushrooms themselves. They infact cause a reaction in your brain to release or unlock parts of it that you have never used before, but that are always present. This can be achieved naturally through meditation, but takes almost a lifetime. Mushrooms are just the "accelerator pad for human evolution" as Bill Hicks said.

There is such a stigma behind mushrooms of them just being another 'drug' that screws you up and is just as bad as heroin or cocaine. This is a very ignorant and general way of looking at them. Read Terence McKenna's works and see why the man dedicated his whole life to the subject. There's something far bigger and more important behind this than what we are being told by retarded authorities.

Another great way that it has affected me is that I immediately started painting after I did it, and that has turned out to be one of the things that I enjoy most in my life.

Happy times people

[wicked_paul]

Look mate, peoples experiences on ayahuasca dont have to exactly match for them to be true.

As you say yourself everyones experience is different and since there are thousands of different ways for people to interpret the same thing, of course things won't always be an exact match!

For example many different cultures from across the world and time describe the wounded man vision in completely different ways such as "shamanic surgery" by hunter gatherer societies "torture" in the european middle ages and "alien abductions" today. But hey neither author experienced this common theme themselves did they?

Its simply too much to demand that both author's experiences must be the same. As with every hallucinogen we don't know enough about them yet to determine how to get a certain precise vision and the experiences are so out of this world that each person can't possibly take on all of it in but will take away the parts that mean something to them. Its a new area of exploration and is very uncharted teritory, so who knows what its all about and where it goes!

I'm interested in all this as well so I'm gonna try n fly to the Amazon and do some myself and see what experience I'll take away from it!

Hope this answers your questions.

Cheers and good luck.

- Paul

[limelady]

Thanks father ted and snog for your replies.

I have NOTHING against taking any substance that expands consciousness. I am very interested hearing how such substances have benefited others because I am seriously considering taking a trip to Sth America for a shamanic ayahuasca experience myself. I happen to believe the human brain was genetically tampered with in order to prevents us from reaching the higher states that should otherwise be a natural condition for us. It has always seemed ludicrous to me that we are told that only after many years of dedication to meditative states can a connection with higher consciousness be met.

If there's a quicker way of reaching a state of awareness of Oneness, then I'm all for it, and I agree that all humanity should benefit from it, as there are now many millions of people who have been robbed of their ability to meditate deeply, due to the accululative affect of the (now multi-generational) childhood vaccination program that has been inflicted on humanity.

Thanks for all your great information guys!

Lime

[jimijams]

I happen to believe the human brain was genetically tampered with in order to prevents us from reaching the higher states that should otherwise be a natural condition for us.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=fluoride+pineal+&spell=1 ;)

[i am all i am]

Hi all,
I love hearing of others experiences with different types of hallucinogens. I have recently read "Cracking open the head" (don't recall the author), where iboga is described as well as other types of hallucinogens. I live in N.S.W., Australia and I am able to get a couple of different types of psilocybe mushrooms. I once spent 5 days in a cave at Wentworth Falls in the Blue Mountains with three others consuming over 1300 'blue meanies'. I have also had 'gold tops' from a sacred initiation site for female Aborigines in Mullimbimby. My experience of tripping is 'what you take into a trip, you get out of a trip'. Your state of mind, that is either positive or negative, will determine the type of trip you will experience. Mushrooms can be used for different purposes (healing, accessing knowledge, 'connecting', etc.). This is something that is best decided before you go to pick your mushrooms. It is also of benefit to maintain a positive attitude from when you go picking your mushrooms all the way through to the completion of your trip. It is also of benefit for you to pick your own mushrooms as you can then guarentee the energy that has been 'given' to the mushrooms as they were picked. I believe that any hallucinogenic trip is the same as determining your experiences in life, that is, it is your choice to determine your experience through your thoughts, words and actions. An attitude of gratitude towards the gift that the hallucinogenic is giving to you is an appropriate way of being thankful for the experience that you receive.

THE LIVING TREE

PSILOCYBE IN,
THE LIVING TREE,
NO LEAVES TO BE SEEN,
A GIFT THAT'S FREE.

GOLD ON TOP,
IT TURNS TO BLUE,
A SIGN THIS CROP,
IS FOR ME AND YOU.

YOU BOIL IT FIRST,
THEN DRINK THE TEA,
TO QUENCH YOUR THIRST,
FOR KNOWING ETERNITY.

SO JOIN ME NOW,
AND DRINK WITH ME,
LET LOVE SHOW YOU HOW,
TO BE FREE.

This is a way of 'connecting' to ALL THAT IS, the conciousness of all creation. This is the ultimate expression of who you truly are. Remember, what you take into a trip is what you get out of a trip. Happy tripping.

[oneofmany]

Hi all,
I love hearing of others experiences with different types of hallucinogens. I have recently read "Cracking open the head" (don't recall the author), where iboga is described as well as other types of hallucinogens. I live in N.S.W., Australia and I am able to get a couple of different types of psilocybe mushrooms. I once spent 5 days in a cave at Wentworth Falls in the Blue Mountains with three others consuming over 1300 'blue meanies'. I have also had 'gold tops' from a sacred initiation site for female Aborigines in Mullimbimby. My experience of tripping is 'what you take into a trip, you get out of a trip'. Your state of mind, that is either positive or negative, will determine the type of trip you will experience. Mushrooms can be used for different purposes (healing, accessing knowledge, 'connecting', etc.). This is something that is best decided before you go to pick your mushrooms. It is also of benefit to maintain a positive attitude from when you go picking your mushrooms all the way through to the completion of your trip. It is also of benefit for you to pick your own mushrooms as you can then guarentee the energy that has been 'given' to the mushrooms as they were picked. I believe that any hallucinogenic trip is the same as determining your experiences in life, that is, it is your choice to determine your experience through your thoughts, words and actions. An attitude of gratitude towards the gift that the hallucinogenic is giving to you is an appropriate way of being thankful for the experience that you receive.

THE LIVING TREE

PSILOCYBE IN,
THE LIVING TREE,
NO LEAVES TO BE SEEN,
A GIFT THAT'S FREE.

GOLD ON TOP,
IT TURNS TO BLUE,
A SIGN THIS CROP,
IS FOR ME AND YOU.

YOU BOIL IT FIRST,
THEN DRINK THE TEA,
TO QUENCH YOUR THIRST,
FOR KNOWING ETERNITY.

SO JOIN ME NOW,
AND DRINK WITH ME,
LET LOVE SHOW YOU HOW,
TO BE FREE.

This is a way of 'connecting' to ALL THAT IS, the conciousness of all creation. This is the ultimate expression of who you truly are. Remember, what you take into a trip is what you get out of a trip. Happy tripping.
What a great post. I'm from NSW also, not very far from Wenty falls actually, nice to know there are still picking grounds up there. Next time your going up there, Id like to come for a pick with you if that's alright:):):):)

[father ted]

I've never had blue meanies, how does that compare to the golden tops?

[limelady]

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=fluoride+pineal+&spell=1 ;)

Thanks for the link Jimi, and yes the pineal gland is intimately connected to the ‘third eye’ chakra for sure, therefore anybody who has sustained damage or injury to this gland from whatever means (including fluoride) is unlikely to be very psychic or ‘connected’.

But in conjunction with the pineal gland, another lesser known area of the brain may play an equal or even greater role in connecting us to our intuitive knowledge… or higher consciousness, and that’s the organ known as the corpus callosum – the ‘bridge’ of brain tissue that connects/integrates the functions the right and left hemispheres of the brain. This is the area where I believe our ‘creator gods’ did a bit of genetic tinkering to ensure we stayed disconnected from higher knowledge, which would make it easier for them to dominate and control us as a slave-race. Effectively this may have ensured humanity remained ignorant of who we really are over many hundreds, or even thousands of generations.

Personally, I don’t believe this was the only genetic ‘modification’ the creator gods made to humans. But is it any wonder ‘disconnected’ humans (who on some level instinctively know there’s more to reality than what we perceive here in 3D) are forever seeking out ways to reconnect ourselves to something greater than our physical selves? Some researchers believe monatomic gold (white powder gold/ORMUS) works directly on regenerating the tissue of the corpus callosum. Perhaps DMT, and some other mind altering substances temporarily ‘reconnect’ this part of the brain when people are under its influence….or perhaps its provides an alternative (albeit a temporary) route to higher levels of awareness?

Lime

[snog]

I've never had blue meanies, how does that compare to the golden tops?

They're the same ones, because they turn blue when you pick them

[snog]

Perhaps DMT, and some other mind altering substances temporarily ‘reconnect’ this part of the brain when people are under its influence….or perhaps its provides an alternative (albeit a temporary) route to higher levels of awareness?

Lime

You got it Lime!!

I get an incredible feeling of 'remembering' when in these states, remembering who I really am, remembering that this is all a big cosmic joke or game :D But we forget so easily

[milas_dk]

Years ago i took mushrooms a couple of times and it was great fun. But one day I tried some called "Hawaii" or something.. and i took a little to much, which gave me some wierd fealings that i wasent prepared for.. And a felt a little wierd a couple of months after, like my perspective of live had changed but I just did'nt understand it. I was'nt very old at the time, but it make me think though. I hav'ent tried mushrooms since, because i got a little scared, but i think im ready to try it again now :D I think i will have alot more use of it now, because my view on live is alot different from back then.

Good trippin everyone :o

[father ted]

Try to explore your fears (next time you tame them) in a dark room preferably by yourself, it's in you psyche. For me it was/seemed like a forest that I had to explore, at any rate that I chose to.
If it gets a little too intense just listen to good music and it'll snap you right out of it, although that's just me personally.

[i am all i am]

G'day Oneofmany,
I actually picked them at a couple of places, Leura Falls and Blackheath. I would love to pick some with you this coming season and trip with you. The cave in Wentworth Falls is near the observatory (same road) and was the chosen place to trip to connect with earth energies to allow for a greater healing process for two of the 'fellow trippers'. Seeing the sunrise with a cloud cover over the valley (it felt like you could walk out onto the clouds) was a wonderful experience.

With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

[i am all i am]

G'day Father Ted,
'Blue meanies' are not that much different than 'gold tops'. Although, the gold tops that I had were from a sacred Aborigine sight and were very potent. 'Blue meanies' is more of a common name used in the Blue Mountains for a particular type of psilocybe mushrooms. I did have 'Plants of the Gods' (it explains each strain or type of psilocybe mushroom), lent it to a friend and found out a couple weeks ago that the person they share a house with lost it somehow, otherwise I would give you more details. The main difference from my experience is that the gold tops that I had in Mullimbimby grew out of cow shit and were a lot larger than the blue meanies, which grew without the need for cow shit.
By the way, check out Krishna (painted blue) riding on the back of a cow holding up a mushroom (Shiva is also painted blue). Now you know why cows are sacred in India.

With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

[i am all i am]

Here is something you do if you feel inclined.
Boil up your mushrooms and remove them from the tea to have later on. Roughly chop some marijuana and place it in the tea and continue to boil it for 30-60 minutes. Once done, strain the marijuana and dry it out. You will notice that your buds have now turned a purple-ish colour (maybe this is Jimi Hendrix's purple haze ?). Roll it up and smoke away. When I first did this I could choose between being stoned or tripping and eventually realised how to do both at once. One of the most amazing experiences that I have had. You can also drink the tea and eat the mushrooms for a further boost.

With LOVE.
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THE BLIND SEE WITH THEIR EYES, THE TRUE VISIONARY SEES WITH THEIR HEART.

[jimijams]

You got it Lime!!

I get an incredible feeling of 'remembering' when in these states, remembering who I really am, remembering that this is all a big cosmic joke or game :D But we forget so easily
This is very true with DMT, It's like oh fuck thats right, this is who I am, it is literally like waking up from a dream. Unfortunately once the effect wears off so does the memory of who you truley are. I only remember that feeling but now know the path that I'm on is the correct one, that of self discovery.:)

[oneofmany]

Here is something you do if you feel inclined.
Boil up your mushrooms and remove them from the tea to have later on. Roughly chop some marijuana and place it in the tea and continue to boil it for 30-60 minutes. Once done, strain the marijuana and dry it out. You will notice that your buds have now turned a purple-ish colour (maybe this is Jimi Hendrix's purple haze ?). Roll it up and smoke away. When I first did this I could choose between being stoned or tripping and eventually realised how to do both at once. One of the most amazing experiences that I have had. You can also drink the tea and eat the mushrooms for a further boost.

With LOVE.
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THE BLIND SEE WITH THEIR EYES, THE TRUE VISIONARY SEES WITH THEIR HEART.

Excellent posts i am all i am, I would love to go on a pick when the season comes in, we'll have a trip, sounds great. Im doing this to my marijuana as soon as i get the mushies. I've heard of similar things done but with 4 different plants, and it's called something like "the secret of the gods" or something like that. Marijuana, Salvia??, Ayahuasca and Mushrooms all in one mixture. Anyone ever heard of this?

[jimijams]

. I've heard of similar things done but with 4 different plants, and it's called something like "the secret of the gods" or something like that. Marijuana, Salvia??, Ayahuasca and Mushrooms all in one mixture. Anyone ever heard of this?
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/2561/eek2cb7.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[i am all i am]

G'day Oneofmany,
My details are on the Australian roll call thread. The season should be May/June/July.
Never heard of 'the secret of the gods'. Would be interested, definitely.
Do you know where to get Ayahuasca in Australia ?
I once got some Peyote from a guy growing it in a nursery at Lismore but either I didn't prepare it properly or it had no mescalin in it. Bloody expensive too and I haven't gone back for more for that reason.

With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

[mada88]

Consider Lucid Dreams!

[oneofmany]

G'day Oneofmany,
My details are on the Australian roll call thread. The season should be May/June/July.
Never heard of 'the secret of the gods'. Would be interested, definitely.
Do you know where to get Ayahuasca in Australia ?
I once got some Peyote from a guy growing it in a nursery at Lismore but either I didn't prepare it properly or it had no mescalin in it. Bloody expensive too and I haven't gone back for more for that reason.

With LOVE.
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Thanks for the details. On the Ayahuasca, I found a site that sells the plants but you have to know how to mix it. http://shaman-australis.com.au/ as for the 4 plant concoction, I think i read about it on this site http://www.jamesarthur.net/ja.html. Im not sure whether or not it was this site or a book i read, but this site has really good info about mushies in particular.

[father ted]

G'day Father Ted,
'Blue meanies' are not that much different than 'gold tops'. Although, the gold tops that I had were from a sacred Aborigine sight and were very potent. 'Blue meanies' is more of a common name used in the Blue Mountains for a particular type of psilocybe mushrooms. I did have 'Plants of the Gods' (it explains each strain or type of psilocybe mushroom), lent it to a friend and found out a couple weeks ago that the person they share a house with lost it somehow, otherwise I would give you more details. The main difference from my experience is that the gold tops that I had in Mullimbimby grew out of cow shit and were a lot larger than the blue meanies, which grew without the need for cow shit.
By the way, check out Krishna (painted blue) riding on the back of a cow holding up a mushroom (Shiva is also painted blue). Now you know why cows are sacred in India.

With LOVE.
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I wonder if mushrooms especially grow on lay lines, maybe that's why they grow at all. Maybe the greater the lay line energy the more potent. That's probably why the mushrooms that you had at the sacred site were more potent. I think I remember something about the fact that things grow better on these lay lines.

[i am all i am]

Hi ya Oneofmany,
Just had a look at the suggested sights. Thanks for the info. The aminita muscaria is easy to find in the Blue Mountains. I have seen them near the old Katoomba hospital in their hundreds. Tried calculating how many where there and came up with a figure between 1500-2000. Didn't know how to use them so the first time I saw them I left them alone. Went back the next season and picked 50-60, went back to Erina with a mate and tried drying them out but the weather didn't help out (it rained for a week). Lost the lot of them and haven't tried anything with them since then (a few years ago now). The recipe on the James Arthur site for the five plants sounds great. I would be very interested in using them in the 'purple haze' mix.
I didn't know of the nursery in Mullimbimby (shaman-Australis) but would love to have a talk to them in person and find out about some of the plants that they have for sale. The 'Plants of the Gods' book had all the information on hallucinogens found around the world but very little on those found in Australia.
Thanks again for the info Oneofmany.

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[i am all i am]

Hi ya Father Ted,
From my own experirence, I believe that the way that the land is appreciated and looked after by those in the area (positive enrgy) and those passing through the area, have the effect of creating an energy source for anything growing in that area. Masuri Emoto's and others experiments with energy on water is something to consider in the overall effect of energy within a contained enviroment. As for ley lines, I don't have enough knowledge and understanding of them, but I believe that they could have an effect on potency.

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[milas_dk]

You can purchase Ayahuasca from holland here.. http://www.shayanashop.com/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=355
I've just recieved mine today, just 3 days after my order. Very excited to check it out :D

[father ted]

You can purchase Ayahuasca from holland here.. http://www.shayanashop.com/ProductDe...?ProductID=355
I've just recieved mine today, just 3 days after my order. Very excited to check it out

Lucky bastard living in Holland.:D

[milas_dk]

Well.. I dont :D I live in Denmark, but there is not very much control on the mail within EU.. so.. Even though its illegal in Denmark, its quite possibel.. :-)

[father ted]

Denkark, Holland, same thing, right?:D Allong with Belgium:D At least you don't have far to drive either, I would, to try out these herbs.:)

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Ayahuasca is a hallucinogenic drug used by the natives of the Amazon rain forest. It is made from two plants, one containing the powerful psychedelic DMT and the other a substance that supresses the digestive enzyme that would otherwise break down the DMT in the stomach.

After reading David Icke's remarkable report of his experience with Ayahuasca I was keen to learn more on the subject. I soon discovered that there are many incosnsitancies between his report and that of others who've tried the drug. David says that he took Ayahuasca twice and claims he heard the voice of "Oneness" telling him that "Infinite Love is the only Truth, everything else is illusion". This has since become David's catchphrse. But this differs with other literature about the drug. For exmaple, Graham Hancock's book "Supernatural". Hancock took Ayahuasca 12 times and had visions of unearthly places and beings, much more in line with other reports of Ayahuasca experiences. Although he met many entities that spoke, none of them seemed at all wise or like "oneness".

I'm not suggsesting that David is lying, but he may be leaving out some details of what he experienced in the Amazon in 2002. It may be just what he experienced, as he experienced it. Ayahuasca is never exactly the same for every single person, but there are common themes present in nearly all other reports which are missing from David's testimony.

You have pretty much answered your own question. However I will add that I believe Icke is a VERY significant player in this awakening period towards 2012 and beyond, and I believe he's being shown things that others are not.

And also, Icke never says he's talking to some other being. He says that his true being is talking to "himself," something like that but I don't quite understand.

[cleft_asunder]

I have read that Reed Canary Grass (AKA phallarus) provides the DMT. The grass is in abundance all over the world. You don't need to extract it and you can just juice it, from what I understand.

But before that you take the juice you need an MAOI in hibitor. Syrian rue seeds are cheap and you can get the on the net anywhere.

This is profound because, if it really is as easy as harvesting the grass then juicing it, and buying Syrian Rue, then you have an abundance of DMT and it's almost free.

Lots of info here:

http://www.erowid.org/plants/phalaris/phalaris.shtml

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"The simplest way to prepare phalaris is to use a wheat juice extractor. This device presses the juice out of the leaves and stalks. Of course dosage becomes harder to gauge. One report on the internet suggested 1 teaspoon as a good dose and 2 teaspoons as an extreme overdose, resulting in one freaky trip. It appears likely, and has been suggested in some reports, that alkaloid levels drop when the plant dries. By taking the fresh sap, alkaloid levels should be maximized."

[oneofmany]

Rick Strassman the author of the book DMT the spirit molecule is in an interview available to listen to here http://www.unknowncountry.com/

enjoy:cool:

[ho1ogram]

This is profound because, if it really is as easy as harvesting the grass then juicing it, and buying Syrian Rue, then you have an abundance of DMT and it's almost free.

Lots of info here:

http://www.erowid.org/plants/phalaris/phalaris.shtml

Looks like you really need to know what your doing or you could end up very sick if not dead, according to their faq's. Has anyone tried it (phalaris)? There's heaps where I live. It makes sheep sick if they eat too much of it.