Is there a day goes by now without CO2 on MSM

[antinwo]

Yesterday the BBC reported prince Charles crackpot claim that CO2 emissions would destroy the Earth in 100 months, and today they're reporting that CO2 will destroy the coral reefs.

Is there no longer a day goes by without this nonsense being pushed on us?

[unusual_suspect]

It's a bloody joke, how many cars and houses do these people own, and of course private air craft, then they are telling us to cut down on co2 emissions.

[motleyhoo]

Obviously, the Prince is pushing an agenda of hysteria, and it's obviously the same agenda as the people who own the media. Either that or the people who own the media are ignorant puppets. But that doesn't mean CO2 doesn't adversely affect the environment. I won't get into the global warming debate here, but one way the Earth attempts to reach equilibrium with respect to CO2 saturation in the atmosphere is to absorb it into the seas. If you mix CO2 with sea water you get carbonic acid, which indeed is deadly to coral reefs, and we are indeed seeing coral reefs being bleached out and dying all over the planet. Either there really is an environmental problem happening, or there is a vast organization of people going around in a fleet of ships and poisoning our reefs somehow.

[cruise4]

"CO2 will destroy the coral reefs"

They call this acidification, really scary words as per usual. It's their latest bullshit for CO2 based Climate Change.

The ocean currently has a pH of 8.1, which is alkaline not acid. In order to become acid, it would have to drop below 7.0. According to Wikipedia “Between 1751 and 1994 surface ocean pH is estimated to have decreased from approximately 8.179 to 8.104.” At that rate, it will take another 3,500 years for the ocean to become even slightly acid. One also has to wonder how they measured the pH of the ocean to 4 decimal places in 1751, since the idea of pH wasn’t introduced until 1909.
The BBC article then asserts:

The researchers warn that ocean acidification, which they refer to as “the other CO2 problem”, could make most regions of the ocean inhospitable to coral reefs by 2050, if atmospheric CO2 levels continue to increase.

This does indeed sound alarming, until you consider that corals became common in the oceans during the Ordovician Era - nearly 500 million years ago - when atmospheric CO2 levels were about 10X greater than they are today. (One might also note in the graph below that there was an ice age during the late Ordovician and early Silurian with CO2 levels 10X higher than current levels, and the correlation between CO2 and temperature is essentially nil throughout the Phanerozoic.)

http://ff.org/centers/csspp/library/co2weekly/2005-08-18/dioxide_files/image002.gif

Perhaps corals are not so tough as they used to be? In 1954, the US detonated the world’s largest nuclear weapon at Bikini Island in the South Pacific. The bomb was equivalent to 30 billion pounds of TNT, vapourised three islands, and raised water temperatures to 55,000 degrees. Yet half a century of rising CO2 later, the corals at Bikini are thriving. Another drop in pH of 0.075 will likely have less impact on the corals than a thermonuclear blast. The corals might even survive a rise in ocean temperatures of half a degree, since they flourished at times when the earth’s temperature was 10C higher than the present.

There seems to be no shortage of theories about how rising CO2 levels will destroy the planet, yet the geological record shows that life flourished for hundreds of millions of years with much higher CO2 levels and temperatures. This is a primary reason why there are so many skeptics in the geological community. At some point the theorists will have to start paying attention to empirical data.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/01/31/ocean-acidification-and-corals/

"or there is a vast organization of people going around in a fleet of ships and poisoning our reefs somehow."

There very well could be. The amount of crap being dumped in the oceans is unconsiounable. Here's but a few examples...

Our oceans have long been used as a convenient weapons dump for the military. Hundreds of thousands of tons of surplus chemical weapons including large quantities of arsenic, cyanide, mustard gas, sarin gas and VX nerve gas are dumped off the US Atlantic coast as well as off other countries.

The U.S. Army has admitted to dumping 30 million kg (64 million pounds) of chemical weapons alone into U.S. waters between World War II and early 1970s. But that’s only tip of the iceberg because the Army also says years of record have gone missing.

These weapons of mass destruction virtually ring the country, concealed off at least 11 states - six on the East Coast, two on the Gulf Coast, California, Hawaii and Alaska. Few, if any, state officials have been informed of their existence.

Millions of mustard gas-filled ammunition’s were dumped off the United States coasts, and other countries.

Hundreds of dolphins were washed ashore in Virginia and New Jersey shorelines in 1987 with burns similar to mustard gas exposure. A marine-mammal specialist believes chemical weapons dumped in the ocean by the US Army killed them. (Photo courtesy of the Marine Mammal Stranding Center in New Jersey).

The SS William Ralston filled with more than 300,000 mustard gas bombs and 1,500 1-ton canisters of Lewsite is sunk in the Pacific Ocean off San Fransico in 1958. (Photo: The U.S. Army)

Here’s a brief chronology:

1957: 48 tons of lewisite were dumped off the coast of New Jersey.

1967 - 4,577 tons of mustard agent and 7,380 M55 sarin were dumped.

1968 - 38 one-ton containers of sarin gas and VX nerve gas were dumped,

1968 - 1,460 vaults of M55 sarin gas and VX rockets and 120 drums of arsenic and cyanide canisters.

Barge loaded with mustard gas canisters - The canisters were later dumped somewhere in the Atlantic ocean in 1964.

The US military secretly dumped chemical weapons in the oceans for decades, from 1944 to 1970.

Hundreds of people have been seriously injured as some of the weapons have washed up on shore or ended up in fishermen’s nets.

“Overseas, fishermen have been hurt by chemical weapons the United States secretly sank, from the Riviera to Australia.” John Bull of Daily Press reported.

“It’s a disaster looming - a time bomb,” said Dr. Gert Harigel, a physicist, who’s a member of the Geneva International Peace Research Institute. “The scientific community knows very little about it. It scares me a lot.”

The US military created at least 30 chemical weapon dump sites and secretly dumped surplus chemical weapons from the end of World War II until 1970, but has scant record of where some of those dump sites were, or what exactly they dumped there. The extremely volatile dangerous weapons remain corroding in the dump sites.

Offshore seismic activity can accelerate the leakage and failure rate of chemical weapons, according to Cindy Zipf, executive director of Clean Ocean Action.

“Our ocean floor is littered with chemical weapons. We’re talking about significant sonar pulses, and we don’t know what they would do during the testing stage … All of those canisters have been rotting away, and poking around could have catastrophic results on releasing 64 million pounds of chemical weapons.” Zipf said.

A bomb disposal expert from Dover Air Force Base, Del., was burned in 2004 by a mustard gas shell found in a driveway. (Photo: The U.S. Army).

The military, it was revealed, dumped large piles of chemical weapons in the ocean off Hawaii between 1944 and 1946. At least 2,000 conventional munitions lay on the seabed less than 1km off Waianae, Oahu, in a region named Ordnance Reef.

U.S.-made deadly weapons were dumped off the coasts of at least 11 other countries including Australia, China, Denmark, France, India, Italy, New Zealand, Norway, Panama, the Philippines, the former Soviet Union and unidentified “Latin American countries.”

A treaty which was also signed by the United States in 1975 prohibits dumping of chemical munitions in the ocean, however, it does not cover the dump sites created prior to the treaty date. Further, as the weapons dump sites are considered to be in international waters the U.S. government bears no legal responsibility to remove them, according to Peter Kaiser, a spokesperson for the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, at The Hague, Netherlands.

After World War II, the Canadian navy dumped thousands of tons of ammunition and explosives into the waters, the report stated.

In 1973, nearly 100 fishermen were injured by chemical warfare agents dumped by either U.S. occupation forces or the Japanese military toward the end of World War II.

In 2003 the Australians discovered that their military had dumped more than 30 million kg of chemical weapons off the coast of Brisbane.

The Canadians, having discovered three major offshore chemical weapons dump sites, believe there may be as many as 1,200 other sites off Nova Scotia and Vancouver Island in British Columbia, north of Washington state, created both the Canadian and the U.S. military.

And to top it all, the US military has lost 11 nuclear bombs at sea.

Hey, no worries though... a few carbon credits and all this apparantly, miraculously, doesn't matter after all.

[wchen99]

Yesterday the BBC reported prince Charles crackpot claim that CO2 emissions would destroy the Earth in 100 months, and today they're reporting that CO2 will destroy the coral reefs.

Is there no longer a day goes by without this nonsense being pushed on us?


you're spot on there. climate change is often presented as a complex multi layered issue, and the CO2 angle is often portrayed as 'the easy bit' to understand.

[dreamweaver]

It's a bloody joke, how many cars and houses do these people own, and of course private air craft, then they are telling us to cut down on co2 emissions.
Indeed.

Here's Al Gore's house:

http://thumbsll.virtualglobetrotting.com/1/6/16965.gif

And here's his little pleasure boat:

http://i34.tinypic.com/qs1oua.jpg

[oiram]

CO2 emissions would destroy the Earth in 100 months = 1/06/2017


And a prince would not give false witness. "Right" :D

They have to create taxes somehow to keep the sheep enslaved.http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon13.gif

So my Prince stop screwing with Nature & stop spraying Chemtrails onto your people & start to release all the free Energy Technology you & your friend J.P. Morgan & Rothschild's are hiding from us for the last 100 years.

By the way how many Oil wells are belong to the Elite Family?

Good points & keep up the comparisons "cruise4" could we sent a copy of your post to the concerned Prince!


Shortly a new law will come out; being anti Global Warming means you are anti semitic. have a good guess who are the once which like to collect all the Carbon slavery taxes.

[wchen99]

I don't think they'll pass a law to make climate denial illegal, they just shame people into following the consensus. It will just become a taboo subject (kinda already is) to discuss climate change without offering the consensus view.