Mobile phone contracts

[pri01]

Mobile phone contracts are very one sided. As you pay monthly, then you would think that if you were disatisfied then it would be fair to give the provider 1 months notice to cancel the arrangement. However, this is not the case, as they tie you into a lengthy contract. Is this a contract though, since in my experience only the customer signs?

[naturalcanvas]

Been thinking same recently! Vodafone wont accept cash as payment for bills either. Very frustrating! I was told it was a security issue. PUH!

[free_soul]

Been thinking same recently! Vodafone wont accept cash as payment for bills either. Very frustrating! I was told it was a security issue. PUH!

Yea its security for the data bases. What use is a complete data base if it doesnt show exactly who pays what :P

[tom bombadil]

Like any contract, if you feel that they have broken it then you can let them know and stop the service.

It would be up to you to interpret how they broke it and did they do things resonably to rectify it?

Some folk I know look at the phone and service that they have now (6 months down the line) and wish for a way out of it. I am not suggesting that you might be doing the same :)

For example, I was pissed off at the way that the 3phone network operators in India did not understand my issues, and that I had to sometimes insist on talking to a manager to get my point accross. This made me angry for no reason as I could have written to them instead.

I chose to call them. Was I looking for a way out??


I dumped the service asap.

Vote with your feet.




Tom.

[kingmonkey]

Never had one don't want one.

[tom bombadil]

Never had one don't want one.

Have had one don't want one.

[helloperator]

Stop supporting criminals:

Mobile phone companies
Hollywood
Television
Sony

Don't buy anything

[naturalcanvas]

Like any contract, if you feel that they have broken it then you can let them know and stop the service.

It would be up to you to interpret how they broke it and did they do things resonably to rectify it?

Some folk I know look at the phone and service that they have now (6 months down the line) and wish for a way out of it. I am not suggesting that you might be doing the same :)

For example, I was pissed off at the way that the 3phone network operators in India did not understand my issues, and that I had to sometimes insist on talking to a manager to get my point accross. This made me angry for no reason as I could have written to them instead.

I chose to call them. Was I looking for a way out??


I dumped the service asap.

Vote with your feet.




Tom.

Yep, i want out! As i have only recently discovered how deep the rabbit hole goes with regards to information on data bases and the infringement on our privacy. I do not want tptb knowing my every move! Its alarming! I use cash all the time except for direct debits. I am sick of being tracked. And Now the internet! i want to convert to pay-n-go services a.s.a.p.

[tom bombadil]

How long have you got left for it to run?

Sometimes, in all this you have to just sit back and let it ride.

Dont worry, and use that time to get yourself a 'pay-as-you-go' that is not attached to you. Also use that time to tell your contacts of your new number and stop using it so much.

Remember that if I wanted to find you and your contact list on your new mobile number, all I would do would be to get your former list and find a similar list elsewhere on the networks. This is now legaly possable by the PTB but I dont know how much of a risk you are and whether you are worth it :p

Stop your reliance or change your ways of speaking. Key words etc.


Tom.

[naturalcanvas]

I have nothing unlawful (or illegal) going on i my life so no worries there. :p
Never been to a police station, no points on my licence and ive never even been pulled over. Clean record. Its a simple fact of 'its none of your business what i do'' attitude. I see what is going on around me and just want to attack from within, the more people that become self sufficient and stop using the system as a''crutch'' the better. Dont give them any unnecessary details about yourself.
My contract has another 9 months on it. Yep your right, I suppose if i drop the tariff i could just get another phone and sim.

[yozhik]

Been thinking same recently! Vodafone wont accept cash as payment for bills either. Very frustrating! I was told it was a security issue. PUH!

My very poor understanding of the law is that this is actually illegal.
I'm sure I have read that whilst the fiat currency is the legal tender, it can not be refused as payment. To do so is a statutory offence.

So for any person or corporation that operate within the commercial jurisdiction of the corporate fiction, the United Kingdom Ltd, they are bound to its rules and regulations, which explicitly nominates the paper promissory notes as its official tender for all matters financial.

Does anyone know otherwise?


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[naturalcanvas]

hahahahaaha! Thats great! Ill check on it to make sure but thanks for that!!! :D

[them]

Never had one don't want one.

Have had one don't want one.

Use everything you can, that's useful, until it doesn't exist any longer.

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[dreamweaver]

Mobile phone contracts are very one sided.
To be honest, I have little sympathy with such points of view.

1) Read the small print before signing anything.
2) If you don't like the terms, don't sign.

If that sounds harsh, it's because I view becoming a freeman on the land as taking responsibility. There's also a certain amount of sacrifice involved in opting out of the Illusion.

I appreciate you probably took out this arrangement before even thinking of becoming a freeman on the land - and fair play to you for wanting to get out of it now. And if the mobile phone providers lose money by being daft enough not to sign their side of the agreement, then more fool them. But what I do object to here is the "waaaaah, look at these horrid terms I signed up for" as if they held a gun to your head while you thought of nothing but the shiny new phone.

My very poor understanding of the law is that this is actually illegal.
I'm sure I have read that whilst the fiat currency is the legal tender, it can not be refused as payment. To do so is a statutory offence.

So for any person or corporation that operate within the commercial jurisdiction of the corporate fiction, the United Kingdom Ltd, they are bound to its rules and regulations, which explicitly nominates the paper promissory notes as its official tender for all matters financial.

Does anyone know otherwise?


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I do believe you're right on this, yozhik. If legal tender has been offered in payment of a debt, then the debt is no longer enforceable. I'll have to go away and research the specific statute and case law but I'm pretty certain of this.

By the way, why do some people put a white full stop at the end of their posts? You're not the only one doing this, so I'm wondering what it's all about. :confused:

[the worm that turned]

By the way, why do some people put a white full stop at the end of their posts? You're not the only one doing this, so I'm wondering what it's all about. :confused:

Hmmm! That is a bit strange isn't it? I am not going to suggest anything here but I look forward to the answer! Who else has done it (or at least roughly how many times have you seen it)?

[yozhik]

Hmmm! That is a bit strange isn't it? I am not going to suggest anything here but I look forward to the answer! Who else has done it (or at least roughly how many times have you seen it)?

Guilty as charged ... :rolleyes:

I have an unhealthy fixation with spacing and appearance in written form.
A post which is hard up against the signature irritates my eyes.
My unhealthy obsession compels me to add some "space" for (perceived) balance.

I will make an effort to stop. :(

[dreamweaver]

Hmmm! That is a bit strange isn't it? I am not going to suggest anything here but I look forward to the answer! Who else has done it (or at least roughly how many times have you seen it)?

I've seen endlessvista doing it, can't remember who the other is. Just curious, that's all :).

[the worm that turned]

Guilty as charged ... :rolleyes:

I have an unhealthy fixation with spacing and appearance in written form.
A post which is hard up against the signature irritates my eyes.
My unhealthy obsession compels me to add some "space" for (perceived) balance.

I will make an effort to stop. :(

Why don't you just press enter (carriage return) twice/three times, why the white dot? LOL by the way this isn't a witch hunt :D

[yozhik]

Why don't you just press enter (carriage return) twice/three times, why the white dot? LOL by the way this isn't a witch hunt :D

because without the white dot, the additional carriage returns are ignored

[the worm that turned]

because without the white dot, the additional carriage returns are ignored

Oh I see (trying it on this message secretly to see if you are telling the truth)! Apologies for interrogation, it is over now :D

Although I do fear that OCD might be playing a part here!!!

[pinkgrapefruit]

Been thinking same recently! Vodafone wont accept cash as payment for bills either. Very frustrating! I was told it was a security issue. PUH!

I had a similar problem with Tiscali... I was paying them by DD but one payment didn't get made. They said I can pay the outstanding amount via Credit Card, Cheque or Postal Order. I wrote a letter stating that I would pay in cash or not at all... they sent me a cash payment slip and I paid at the Post Office.

I was hoping that they would refuse so I could see how far it could go but they were such spoil sports!

[naturalcanvas]

Next time my bill is due i will try the same.... just to see hat happens! I get payed in cash and i prefer to use it,not keep shunting it through the banks. I no it was my own fault for signing up but that was before i came across ''freeman'' . I was stupid, and i wont do it again. Ive given myself a firm ticking off :mad:

[pri01]

To be honest, I have little sympathy with such points of view.

1) Read the small print before signing anything.
2) If you don't like the terms, don't sign.

If that sounds harsh, it's because I view becoming a freeman on the land as taking responsibility. There's also a certain amount of sacrifice involved in opting out of the Illusion.

I appreciate you probably took out this arrangement before even thinking of becoming a freeman on the land - and fair play to you for wanting to get out of it now. And if the mobile phone providers lose money by being daft enough not to sign their side of the agreement, then more fool them. But what I do object to here is the "waaaaah, look at these horrid terms I signed up for" as if they held a gun to your head while you thought of nothing but the shiny new phone.



I do believe you're right on this, yozhik. If legal tender has been offered in payment of a debt, then the debt is no longer enforceable. I'll have to go away and research the specific statute and case law but I'm pretty certain of this.

By the way, why do some people put a white full stop at the end of their posts? You're not the only one doing this, so I'm wondering what it's all about. :confused:


I agree, I should have read the terms and conditions before signing and I didn't. But that is in the past and I cannot change it. Going forward though, and with you saying that mobile phone providers being daft enough to not sign their part to the agreement, I'm kind of seeing more in my favour. Don't know what you mean by white full stop though???

[dreamweaver]

Don't know what you mean by white full stop though???
That was yozhik. :)