No Passport Needed - Family Book - Int Fam Cert

[Ian2day]

Just have a Family book or an international family certificate produced and then have it stamped by a notary and have it legalised in legislation under the Hague with an Apostille service provider. Maybe that last bit is not needed either if you are not intending to travel to a country that has recognised the Hague convention.

http://www.apostille.org.uk/what-is-an-apostille.asp

Country's which will accept a notirised Family book or family certificate are listed in the Hague convention. When intending to travel for the first time abroad. You should check with the authority of a country what the requirements are to cross their border unpeaded. I would also stress that it is important for you to confirm that you can re-enter your home country with the same document! A visa or Super ligalisation should only be needed when entering a country not recognising the Hague convention on Human rights. Under this system of travel no record is kept except when crossing the border of country's requireing a visa. So all those people in Calais wanting to enter the UK illegally are unaware of their human rights as recognised under the Hague convention. They don't need a passport. Perhaps the hague convention on human rights has information on how to access the monies held in the name of the Strawman. Thoughts?

[hagbard_celine]

I didn't know that. Thanks.:cool::)

However I find the whole idea that I need permission from governments to travel around my home planet somewhat perverse!:(:mad: What's more I have a carry a little booklet with me that costs £100 or more and these days you have to give up biometric ID to have one.:eek:

One day in the future I'm going to tour the whole world!:cool::) But it will be when the world is free. I want to see a free world!

[yozhik]

I didn't know that. Thanks.:cool::)

However I find the whole idea that I need permission from governments to travel around my home planet somewhat perverse!:(:mad: What's more I have a carry a little booklet with me that costs £100 or more and these days you have to give up biometric ID to have one.:eek:


If it wasn't such a serious issue, if you took time to step back and look at this objectively ... its incredibly funny and farcical.

This is also the only proof I need that slavery still exists.
For all those who laugh at such a notion; that slavery still exists ... the existence of a passport and the rules and regulations connected to it, quickly erode away their over-confidence.

I find the whole matter totally repugnant.


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[miked]

If it wasn't such a serious issue, if you took time to step back and look at this objectively ... its incredibly funny and farcical.

This is also the only proof I need that slavery still exists.
For all those who laugh at such a notion; that slavery still exists ... the existence of a passport and the rules and regulations connected to it, quickly erode away their over-confidence.

I find the whole matter totally repugnant.


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Couldn't agree more!!

This is my life, my planet and my universe, just the same as it is everyone elses! I don't need permission to go anywhere!

Peace

Mike

[tien an]

Well done, Ian2day!

Now; where can one obtain such a form / booklet / document?

Heavenly Peace.

[vienna]

Just have a Family book or an international family certificate produced and then have it stamped by a notary and have it legalised in legislation under the Hague with an Apostille service provider. Maybe that last bit is not needed either if you are not intending to travel to a country that has recognised the Hague convention.

http://www.apostille.org.uk/what-is-an-apostille.asp

Country's which will accept a notirised Family book or family certificate are listed in the Hague convention. When intending to travel for the first time abroad. You should check with the authority of a country what the requirements are to cross their border unpeaded. I would also stress that it is important for you to confirm that you can re-enter your home country with the same document! A visa or Super ligalisation should only be needed when entering a country not recognising the Hague convention on Human rights. Under this system of travel no record is kept except when crossing the border of country's requireing a visa. So all those people in Calais wanting to enter the UK illegally are unaware of their human rights as recognised under the Hague convention. They don't need a passport. Perhaps the hague convention on human rights has information on how to access the monies held in the name of the Strawman. Thoughts?

great post

I found this from a quick googleHague Convention Countries (as at January 25 2004)
Albania, Andorra, Australia, Austria, Belarus, Bolivia, Brazil, Bulgaria, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Canada, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cyprus, Czezh Republic, Denmark, Ecuador, El Salvador, Estonia, Finland, Georgia, Germany, Guatemala, Guinea, Iceland, India, Israel, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Mexico, Mauritius, Moldova, Monaco, Mongolia, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, South Africa, Spain, Sri Lanka, Sweden, Switzerland, United Kingdom, Uruguay, Venezuela.



http://www.newcastle.gov.uk/core.nsf/a/adoptingintercountryhagues

[Ian2day]

Remember that when addressed by a representative as a person. You should reply that no, you're a real living breathing human being with God given rights upon birth as recognised under the human (not person) rights treaty at the Hauge.

[the worm that turned]

So what do WE think a Family Book must contain EXACTLY?

[yozhik]

So what do WE think a Family Book must contain EXACTLY?

Family book can simple be a bible - the family version/edition.
This has blank pages specifically for the recording of births and marriages.
If you Google "family bible", you will come across examples with viewable images. This should give you some good examples to answer this question. :)

This is lawful evidence of the information recorded (birth).
It meets all requirements of today's statutes and is accepted as a document of identification, when something like a birth certificate would otherwise be needed.

[yozhik]

To support this post with specific text from the relevant Human Rights sections, relating to the Hague Convention, I stumbled across this, which may interest other forum members;

Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Article 1.
* All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

Article 3.
* Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

Article 6.
* Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.

http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html


I find the choice of words fascinating and incredibly revealing. :)
Article 1 is totally focused on the human being.
Article 3 has the intriguing phrase "security of person", which would be easy just to skim over and think nothing of it, but when you look at it a second time with a more highly tuned legalese eye, it takes on a completely different meaning. Why was it not written as; "Every person has the right to life, liberty and security." ? Just the fact that it has both "everyone" and "person" in the same sentence implies they are separated and have different subjects of reference. Also, security of person compared to personal security? What does "security of person" actually mean?
Article 6 may offer some clarity; is this when the person is needed? When "before the law"? Also interesting and possibly crucial, that Article 6 implies there is a choice. You have the right to be recognised as a person, which by definition means you also have the right not to be.

Anyway ... my search for relevant text to support this international travel will continue. My reason for searching is I thought it might be highly relevant and useful, when first encountering the border guards. Noone would blame them for being ignorant of the laws; they would have been programmed in a binary form ... passport or no passport, entry or no entry, yes or no, black or white. It's not their fault - this is what they would have been taught. So it may save a lot of time and frustration if we could cite, chapter and verse, of the relevant international agreement.

Anyone able to help in this quest?

[Ian2day]

I would probably say that the border guards are aware fo this. They just don't advertise it to anyone.

[14april2000]

I didn't know that. Thanks.:cool::)

However I find the whole idea that I need permission from governments to travel around my home planet somewhat perverse!:(:mad: What's more I have a carry a little booklet with me that costs £100 or more and these days you have to give up biometric ID to have one.:eek:

One day in the future I'm going to tour the whole world!:cool::) But it will be when the world is free. I want to see a free world!


celine : Get real the world will never be free, as we would like to be unless the massed wake up very soon and i don`t see that happen, even that a lot people are willing listen to the message but do not act or change there lifestyle they just take notice of it and move on. All my friends is into conspiracy or are willing to the listen to the message, even older people like my uncle who used to be very anrry when i gave him conspiracy infomation is soften up it. The only once rejecting it is my father and my uncles wife.


Almost every young person in the world knows 911 was an side job.

2009 : 80% of the people in my country Denmark, is watching a talent show in tv every friday evening called the X Factor.

A lot of people are into sports or other personal interests

[hagbard_celine]

celine : Get real the world will never be free, as we would like to be unless the massed wake up very soon and i don`t see that happen, even that a lot people are willing listen to the message but do not act or change there lifestyle they just take notice of it and move on. All my friend is into conspiracy or are willing to the listen to the message, even older people like my oncel who used to be very again when i gave him conspiracy infomation is soften up it. The only once rejecting it is my father and my uncles wife.

Don't give up.:cool: I see things differenlty. I DO see people waking up. Just look at the kind of shit that used to go on in the past that governments would never get away with now!:) Do you really think they'd get away with Hiroshima today?

[14april2000]

Don't give up.:cool: I see things differenlty. I DO see people waking up. Just look at the kind of shit that used to go on in the past that governments would never get away with now!:) Do you really think they'd get away with Hiroshima today?

I was not thinking about something that bad but there alot others thing they cot do, like a second economic great world depression that would make the last one look like a sunday picnic, and that would break civil society down.

You may want to consider this article:

Shipping rates hit zero as trade sinks
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/4229198...rade-sinks.html


Another german puppetminister of finances said that after this crisis nothing will ever again be the same as before the crisis. biden and powell both warned of an international crisis as big as jfk had to face - cuba crisis. powell dated this on the 21/22th january and biden dated it in anywhen in the first six month of obamas presidency.



They're feeling it in Detroit. My mother told me that people are going into abandoned buildings and stripping them of everything. Especially any copper.



I'm just trying to wrap my head around how serious this is.

If I know what to expect and how to prepare for it, then I won't get all worked up. I hate uncertainty.



The Western Global World will shivver when the reality dawns upon them whats happening. Never in recent history has such a devasting historical event like this happened since World War II. Then our society was hardened and working together. This is not the case now and you'll see trouble. You watch as the million jobs a day get destroyed. We think its bad now when Bank of America gets rid of 30,000 employees. Imagine 1,000,000 a day! Now look what has happened to poor old Vauxhall here in England. Their looking at a 70% reduction in pay and 9 months off work. They either accept or go completely shortly. This is utter disgusting whats happening due to these Maltese Knights. Its about time the militias worked as true independant patriots and destroy the Beast Vatican out of that once great sovereign nation. Look at the panic around the World when 9/11 hit. This event was absolutely nothing, it only hit people due to Maltese indoctrination on the TV along with the fact it was in the United States. Well the Global Depression kickstarting in the U.S will make it look like a baby party. Then the sudden shock of troops on the streets with curfews, rations and soup lines. Can you imagine it? Why do you think Italy has troops already in the city? It's not really to fight the Mafiosi which control Italy under the Vatican. Its a conditioner for them and the rest of Italy when its implemented nationwide. We see this may happen with Greece due to the riots. That will be used as an excuse if so and the same reasons for Economic Collapse. We all knew Martial Law and Economic destruction was coming, we just never quite knew the timeframe. Its only the last two years and last year especially we knew finally. So get ready to be part of serious history. Stick to intelligent people and be wise.
-Craig Oxley



You ever seen the new Dawn of the Dead movie? Something like that but without people biteing you and infecting you. Keep clear of Malls!
-Craig Oxley

[zaniwhoop]

I'd suggest not paying too much attention to all that fearmongery. Fear is just what they want from us. We've got them sussed now, money is valueless, we need to replace it with a currency that has real work hours value. Check out Time Banks http://timebanks.blogspot.com/2008/02/people-make-change-happen.html I think something along these lines can eventually replace our existing money.

Love and Light

Simon

[the nine]

Just have a Family book or an international family certificate produced and then have it stamped by a notary and have it legalised in legislation under the Hague with an Apostille service provider. Maybe that last bit is not needed either if you are not intending to travel to a country that has recognised the Hague convention.

http://www.apostille.org.uk/what-is-an-apostille.asp

Country's which will accept a notirised Family book or family certificate are listed in the Hague convention. When intending to travel for the first time abroad. You should check with the authority of a country what the requirements are to cross their border unpeaded. I would also stress that it is important for you to confirm that you can re-enter your home country with the same document! A visa or Super ligalisation should only be needed when entering a country not recognising the Hague convention on Human rights. Under this system of travel no record is kept except when crossing the border of country's requireing a visa. So all those people in Calais wanting to enter the UK illegally are unaware of their human rights as recognised under the Hague convention. They don't need a passport. Perhaps the hague convention on human rights has information on how to access the monies held in the name of the Strawman. Thoughts?

hi ian..you are becoming one of my fav posters on here..sorry for any misunderstandings we my have had btw..

top info again :)

[14april2000]

I'd suggest not paying too much attention to all that fearmongery. Fear is just what they want from us. We've got them sussed now, money is valueless, we need to replace it with a currency that has real work hours value. Check out Time Banks http://timebanks.blogspot.com/2008/02/people-make-change-happen.html I think something along these lines can eventually replace our existing money.

Love and Light

Simon


Simon it`s not fearmongery but reallity - David is feeding people with hope that has no have no basic in reallity and is that we can beat the illuminati`s stronghole over the world i don`t see that happen, these bloodlines has rule the world for at least 6000 years via there secret societys.



LINK

I warning from the illuminati "a MUST READ"
my friend experience with brotherhood

I once had a friend or someone i use know,he was really good to get the message out to people he had 10-20 new people each week,he use David Icke book from 1995. But the local branch of the illuminati properly adl, made his life a living hell, last time i meet him was in June 2000 and he was very paranoid he was broken young man, i think he was born in 1976. He would not talk about the conspiracy. I hope he is recoved by now.

Let this be a warning, not from me but from the illuminati thats how they deal with great people that is exposed them to many people each week and get people to read books like the 1995 icke book, and when they start to wake other people, they made your life a living hell.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54356&highlight=illuminati


I also know about the most famous and most correct historian in my country. He exposed in a book that they murder every 7 crown prince and heir to the the crown in occult manner - at the same time he also exposed a 600 years occult murder on the heir to the trone Crown of denmark Oluf 2. 1376-1387. He was getting a warning from the freemason to drop that subject and not mention public it again etc or they would destoy his career and get him ban from any publisher in the country. It was what he said to the journalist from national tv when he ask about the details in his book.

[the worm that turned]

Simon it`s not fearmongery but reallity - David is feeding people with hope that has no have no basic in reallity and is that we can beat the illuminati`s stronghole over the world i don`t see that happen, these bloodlines has rule the world for at least 6000 years via there secret societys.




I also know about the most famous and most correct historian in my country. He exposed in a book that they murder every 7 crown prince and heir to the the crown in occult manner - at the same time he also exposed a 600 years occult murder on the heir to the trone Crown of denmark Oluf 2. 1376-1387. He was getting a warning from the freemason to drop that subject and not mention public it again etc or they would destoy his career and get him ban from any publisher in the country. It was what he said to the journalist from national tv when he ask about the details in his book.

So what do you suggest, we just give up and let the system continue to keep us enslaved from our true potential of freedom and love??

I think that if enough people know about the system that is opressing us and try to change things, the few thousand at the top WILL lose their grip. IMO they are already losing their grip and WE the PEOPLE are taking back our natural rights.

[yozhik]

It was what he said to the journalist from national tv when he ask about the details in his book.

... and of course no author would EVER think of creating heightened drama or suspense about their new book, when discussing it on national TV!

I mean, that kind of display of blatant, self promotion ... no, no, no ... it just wouldn't and couldn't happen ...

Now, onto other points;
1) This is a thread about international travel without a passport. Let's stick to subject.
2) The door to the illuminati thread is over there -------------------------->
3) As a human being, you have choice; choose to concentrate on the negatives with a "the sky is falling" view, or choose to concentrate on the positives with a "there is hope" view. As is so eloquently spoken in "the Terminal", by Tom Hanks; "what is choose?"

Personally, I realise that the task is a difficult one; that we are wanting to undo centuries of deception, armed with little more than hope, collective awareness and a growing sense of community. It may not be much, but its a start. the question is, now a start has been made; what are we going to do next? Exstinguish it? Or turn the start into a middle and eventually and end?

Again; "what is choose?"

[14april2000]

So what do you suggest, we just give up and let the system continue to keep us enslaved from our true potential of freedom and love??

I think that if enough people know about the system that is opressing us and try to change things, the few thousand at the top WILL lose their grip. IMO they are already losing their grip and WE the PEOPLE are taking back our natural rights.

Absolut not - but i remind people if you are very effective of wakeing up people and they are also very effective of wakeing up people you going into trouble with the brotherhood like my friend did. He wake up his parents and most of his family if not them all, and they had illuminati debate meetings in there family house, he and his friends, and family wake around 100 people weekly for 11 years to all kind subjects. he was active from 1990-92 to april-may 2001. He was something like a local David Icke or Alex Jones, he was a very good to public speeking much like David Icke with a lot Charisma he got people to listen to him.

Here is some of things they did to him - they open his post or stole it, they put him under personal surveillance and made mind games, and probably a lot other things he di'ent! toll me about.


Get the point?

[yozhik]

Here is some of things they did to him - they open his post or stole it, they made put him under personal surveillance and made mind games, and probably a lot other things he di'ent! toll me about.


Get the point?

Yes - I get the point.
Don't like it but am fully prepared for it.
This system has been going on for centuries.
Change does not come without pain or sacrifice.

If anyone thinks we can push the status quo without some level of push back at least equal to the push given; then they're not being realistic.

As some of those brave brothers and sisters who have already taken the first steps into standing up for their Rights, using FOTL ideas, and have found themselves invited to enjoy the most cordial of temporary accommodation arrangements at the local office of the policy enforcers, with the assistance of handcuffs, a door lock and a rather large key ... there IS sacrifice to be made and inconvenience to be experienced.

Whilst regrettable; it is inevitable.

[yozhik]

This is becoming both serious and urgent.
Please read this; http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57515

[strt]

I didn't know that. Thanks.:cool::)

However I find the whole idea that I need permission from governments to travel around my home planet somewhat perverse!:(:mad: What's more I have a carry a little booklet with me that costs £100 or more and these days you have to give up biometric ID to have one.:eek:

One day in the future I'm going to tour the whole world!:cool::) But it will be when the world is free. I want to see a free world!

Sorry for the off but I had to show you this:

You can ask them on any border to google for 'international family certificate' LOL

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=%22international%20family%20certificate%22&filter=0&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

[strt]

Hmm, found this link: http://www.certificatetranslator.co.uk/documents.asp?doc=FamCert

International Family Certificate
This serves as a passport type document which acts as identification for the whole family. Used in Turkey and some other countries. Also known as a Family Book.

So somebody from Turkey should be able to scan one and give us more details?
Do we have such forum members and can somebody contact them?

[14april2000]

... and of course no author would EVER think of creating heightened drama or suspense about their new book, when discussing it on national TV!

I mean, that kind of display of blatant, self promotion ... no, no, no ... it just wouldn't and couldn't happen ...

Now, onto other points;
1) This is a thread about international travel without a passport. Let's stick to subject.
2) The door to the illuminati thread is over there -------------------------->
3) As a human being, you have choice; choose to concentrate on the
negatives with a "the sky is falling" view, or choose to concentrate on the positives with a "there is hope" view. As is so eloquently spoken in "the Terminal", by Tom Hanks; "what is choose?"

Personally, I realise that the task is a difficult one; that we are wanting to undo centuries of deception, armed with little more than hope, collective awareness and a growing sense of community. It may not be much, but its a start. the question is, now a start has been made; what are we going to do next? Exstinguish it? Or turn the start into a middle and eventually and end?

Again; "what is choose?"


The book Denmark's Hope and the Horn was published in 1954 and the interview was in the 1980ties so i can`t see how it should have anything to do with self promotion.

But he did get warnings both when he published the book and befor the interview. Below is there review of the book.


In his book from 1954 "Denmark's Hope and the Horn 'Pall Lauring claimed that the Danish kings were superstitious and believed that they would renew their happiness at seven years by sacrificing a substitute. Lauring found for this theory because he believed that a number of mysterious deaths in denmark history were in fact murders. According Lauring example. Dyvekes death in 1517, organized, and the reason was that it was a sort of victim or Deputy dead of Christian II, who may be able to get his fortune back by the higher powers. Also Peder Tordenskiold death in 1720 was in fact a victim of murder Frederik IV claimed Lauring. Pallet Lauring considered that could explain a number of deaths in light of his conspiracy theory of a royal victim cult.



Palle Lauring, 1909-1996, Danish writer and historian. Lauring grew up in a home teacher in Frederiksberg by the insecure and shy, but imaginative brother of the more extroverted Gunnar Lauring. Despite bad experiences in school were sent Lauring Seminary and took teaching diploma. His early aroused interest in history was reflected, inter alia, in a series of novels, such as Vitellius (1944) and Civic Alexandre (1946). The historical narrative out of staging as Denmark's Hope and Horn (1954) into a more professionally based and comprehensive Denmark Historical writings.

Lauring described historical events and sites such as this happened. Zealand (1966), Nørre Jutland (1968) and Islands (1974), he has established extensive regional descriptions, for example, Bornholm (1957) in the series travel in Denmark, he has published works on the former Danish territories such as Denmark in Skåne (1952) and English Caribbean history and Islands (1978), he has cinemas kings, queens and other prominent Danes, for example, bees and other women in your story (1981). As theater, he tried always to understand individuals from their personal and historical conditions, but he knew that the historian moves on uncertain grounds, "when we leave the herring prices and give us to talk about people." Among the main works are imperfect Laurings Denmark History in ten volumes (1954-79). The works reflect knowledge and understanding in fields such as geology, languages, literature and art. Late in his life he sent two usminkede commemoration Volume, Two worlds (1989) and brydningstid (1992).

As a publicist, tells and debater got Lauring high impact, both in newspapers, radio and television, especially the radio could exploit his unusual ability to tell, but also in print, his language an unmistakable verbal nature.

LINK (http://www.denstoredanske.dk/Kunst_og_kultur/Litteratur/Dansk_litteratur/Efter_1940/Palle_Lauring)

[vienna]

... and of course no author would EVER think of creating heightened drama or suspense about their new book, when discussing it on national TV!

I mean, that kind of display of blatant, self promotion ... no, no, no ... it just wouldn't and couldn't happen ...

Now, onto other points;
1) This is a thread about international travel without a passport. Let's stick to subject.
2) The door to the illuminati thread is over there -------------------------->
3) As a human being, you have choice; choose to concentrate on the negatives with a "the sky is falling" view, or choose to concentrate on the positives with a "there is hope" view. As is so eloquently spoken in "the Terminal", by Tom Hanks; "what is choose?"

Personally, I realise that the task is a difficult one; that we are wanting to undo centuries of deception, armed with little more than hope, collective awareness and a growing sense of community. It may not be much, but its a start. the question is, now a start has been made; what are we going to do next? Exstinguish it? Or turn the start into a middle and eventually and end?

Again; "what is choose?"

well said :)

that's exactly the way I see it

there is no intellectual point at which I make a choice to move forward because there is no backwards

where's there's life there's hope, the process of life itself is to face the light and search for the truth

the other day I was walking along a path through near some woods and I cleared my mind and enjoyed the sheer pleasure of the sound of the gravel as it crunched under my boots and for that brief moment it reminded me of when I was 6 again, and most clear nights I sit out outside my tent and gaze at Orion's belt and am filled with sheer wonder

these simple pleasures are to me what life is about, and it only involves a choice to enjoy them and they appear as if by magic. they were there all the time

and let's not forget an amazing indisputable fact for all of us here: at no time in history have so many been so aware of the deception and control this beast system has held over them , this fact alone is an incredible achievement that no matter how much power and deception they have gone to such enormous lengths to create down the centuries, a growing number of us are cracking their damn and THAT CRACK CAN AND WILL ONLY GET BIGGER

:)

[hagbard_celine]

I was not thinking about something that bad but there alot others thing they cot do, like a second economic great world depression that would make the last one look like a sunday picnic, and that would break civil society down.


If it happens... but is it really going to be that bad? Remeber the maxim: Qui Bono: See this thread: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=58609

[hagbard_celine]

Sorry for the off but I had to show you this:

You can ask them on any border to google for 'international family certificate' LOL

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=%22international%20family%20certificate%22&filter=0&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

There's only one Hagbard Celine.. and it's me!:cool: Beware of cheap imitations!:eek:;)

[14april2000]

well said :)

that's exactly the way I see it

there is no intellectual point at which I make a choice to move forward because there is no backwards

where's there's life there's hope, the process of life itself is to face the light and search for the truth

the other day I was walking along a path through near some woods and I cleared my mind and enjoyed the sheer pleasure of the sound of the gravel as it crunched under my boots and for that brief moment it reminded me of when I was 6 again, and most clear nights I sit out outside my tent and gaze at Orion's belt and am filled with sheer wonder

these simple pleasures are to me what life is about, and it only involves a choice to enjoy them and they appear as if by magic. they were there all the time

and let's not forget an amazing indisputable fact for all of us here: at no time in history have so many been so aware of the deception and control this beast system has held over them , this fact alone is an incredible achievement that no matter how much power and deception they have gone to such enormous lengths to create down the centuries, a growing number of us are cracking their damn and THAT CRACK CAN AND WILL ONLY GET BIGGER

:)
Vienna : The big problem is people don`t want to make it there prime interest like us because we have always had a lot questions to the official history, we have ask those questions a lot times to a lot people but never got any answer except a few times. David gave us a lot answers to those questions in The Truth Shall Set You Free, The Biggest Secret and Children of the Matrix and a lot other books and videos/dvds.

[14april2000]

Yes - I get the point.
Don't like it but am fully prepared for it.
This system has been going on for centuries.
Change does not come without pain or sacrifice.

If anyone thinks we can push the status quo without some level of push back at least equal to the push given; then they're not being realistic.

As some of those brave brothers and sisters who have already taken the first steps into standing up for their Rights, using FOTL ideas, and have found themselves invited to enjoy the most cordial of temporary accommodation arrangements at the local office of the policy enforcers, with the assistance of handcuffs, a door lock and a rather large key ... there IS sacrifice to be made and inconvenience to be experienced.

Whilst regrettable; it is inevitable.

Great for you - but i am not sure i am fully prepared for it because i have being an active in other areas and have experienced other kind of soft harassment. But if i should choose to be active again it would only be in groups with maximum 10 people or less.

Anyway Is that a practice ILLUMLINATI used toward my friend a normal or standard predicere they use toward any anti nwo activist or any individual activist or group witch is in the way of there agenda or interests?

Do you know of anybody that have experience the same kind of harassment "or worst" like my friend or have heard about in the uk or elsewhere?

[cleopatraxxx]

If it wasn't such a serious issue, if you took time to step back and look at this objectively ... its incredibly funny and farcical.

This is also the only proof I need that slavery still exists.
For all those who laugh at such a notion; that slavery still exists ... the existence of a passport and the rules and regulations connected to it, quickly erode away their over-confidence.

I find the whole matter totally repugnant.


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yozhik, i totally agree with you!
we are slaves, from the moment we are born we are given a passport, which in turn is a NUMBER! the slave number...

and yes, hagbard, i also agree with you that we shouldn't have trouble just travelling inside this planet freely.... but as we saw above, WE ARE NOT FREE, FROM THE MOMENT WE ARE BORN WE BELONG TO THEM!..whichever country we or our parents are born...:-(((( :mad:

[Ian2day]

Look guys can I ask that you start a seperate thread for other discussions. This No Passport info was posted in the Freeman section so it should really stay within the topic sentence that I have chosen for this thread. Can a Mod please make a new thread with the off topic posts.

[icke_is_right]

I've looked into this and can't find anything on it. The way that I see it, it is a certification programme for documents that already exist, eg passport.

I take on board the 'family certificate' can also be certified under the Hague Convention 1961 but see it more as an international agreement of document recognition. I can't find anything about travelling to another country under anything else but PERSON status. Of this I hope that I am wrong.

I've very interested in this subject because I'd be interested in moving to another Commonwealth country that requires a visa and become a freeman there. EG Australia.

How do freemen travel abroad?

I'm coming up for a new passport soon and would love not to require it.

[Ian2day]

I think that the family certificate relates to the person being a descendant of a minority ethnic group originally from inside Europe somewhere. The family book should be seen as the type of thing that Knights use to carry round with them which details their linage and family crest/coat of arms etc. Anyone can produce a family book but I think that it needs to be accepted/recognised by some official body. You can substitute a family book with a family Bible. To find this info out will requre digging some old books out and also looking at the Hague treaty itself.

[icke_is_right]

http://www.legallanguage.com/resources/treaties/hague/1961-october-5th-convention-3/

This is what I looked at in reference to this subject. This was the one I thought was the right one. Yup digging in books is a good idea but I'm a bit lost as to know where to start.

[Ian2day]

I can see that this info is going to be worth a lot to some people who wish to exploit others. I can just see the whole Freeman thing being exploited for gain rather than shared for benefit. I've already told someone else of my thinking about a networking website and not had them get back to me. So for me to keep posting up info for others gain is a mistake. Sorry if this don't apply to you, but I have to draw the line somewhere and say enough is enough. My time is of worth to me. I'm not staking a claim to the info. As that is in the public domain for anyone to research and find. I'm just sick of being seen as a fucking ideas machine. Perhaps I should open up my own consultancy!

[yozhik]

I Asked myself a simple question; where will I find the information I require on this subject?
Answer: directly, from the source.

Given that "they" are always giving us everything we need, hidden in plain view, it seemed a reasonable assumption that the information pertaining to travel would also be "hidden on plain view".

This is the list of required documents, to apply for New Zealand citizenship. Whilst not the issue we're exploring here, it might offer some useful information that we can explore further ...

We will ask you to provide the following ORIGINAL documents and their authorised translations:
A. All birth documents (e.g. birth certificate including your parents' names, household register, family book) AND
B. All travel documents (e.g. your passport, certificate of identity, refugee travel document) AND
C. All citizenship certificates if your passport is issued by a country other than your birth country AND
D. National identity card(s) (if you have any

What have we learnt from this?

A family book is a birth document.
Both a "certificate of identity" and a "refugee travel document" are as valid as a passport in terms of being a recognised travel document.


... and so the breadcrumb trail through the forest begins ...

[Ian2day]

Yeah we have to reverse engineer the solution. All the info is there we just have to work back to what is needed.

[14april2000]

If it happens... but is it really going to be that bad? Remeber the maxim: Qui Bono: See this thread: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=58609

I can`t hardly see if it matter if it`s a PsyOps or not - The Wall Street Crash on 29 october 1929 and the economic depression 1930thies was also a Psy-Ops and a takeover of the small and minimum size financial and industry companys.

[14april2000]

http://www.legallanguage.com/resources/treaties/hague/1961-october-5th-convention-3/

This is what I looked at in reference to this subject. This was the one I thought was the right one. Yup digging in books is a good idea but I'm a bit lost as to know where to start.

Me to i would not no where to start?

[icke_is_right]

Freeman on the land thread page 28. (Rob)

Traveling is a trickier one. There is a guy in BC who travels to the States using nothing more then a Photo Affidavit signed by a Notary. I am working on a thing called a Laissez Passer, which is like a passport. Also going to a consulate and seeking a written invitation to travel to their country will help. All these things are harder then what is presently accepted and may not guarantee travel, but neither does a passport.



These links I found after going through the above thread etc.,


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travel_document

http://www.immi.gov.au/managing-australias-borders/border-security/travel/documents/#e

http://www.ukvisas.gov.uk/en/ecg/ecbasics/traveldocuments#5755060

[thegoodnessisgood]

Hierarchy of manifestation

Infinity and beyond <---------------You should be here = infinite power
Consciousness = lots of power
Individuation = good power
Intention = good power
Spiritual reality <------you are probably here... = some power ***
Quantum Reality = some power
Nuclear Reality = low power
Chemical Reality = low power
Physical Reality <------- or between there and here... = no power

I promise you that the "illuminati" punks cannot access infinity that's for sure. They don't like it. They are trying to close the loop and remain in a bubble. The sacrifice is to keep your consciousness low, they don't actually like it, just what it does for their masters.

Their masters exist where the put the ***. they are out side of this dimension, that's why they can promote many terrible things and supposedly get away with it, and supposedly always be 10 steps ahead of us in the game, playing both sides and all angles.

Infinite Love = the end of their interference in this planet. The closing of and blocking of love on this plane is what has enabled them to interact with that. They were so journing in another plane on a lesson of learning and our hole in our hearts or whatever, called them in. They are playing with us yes, but Infinite Love will make them leave quickly quietly and peacefully never to return. If you want it.

War is over if you want it.

Once they have left, those doing the rituals etc etc, there will no longer be any point to them doing that, they will stop and the energy will back flow in a way they can't imagine. It won't be nice for them to wake up but it won't kill them...

All are victims, All are aggressors in the paradigm.

The TRUTH is that we are saved, redeemed, free, forgiven, love, and we are in fact, God, Infinity and Infinite Love, one the same.

Well, that's my take on it.

[strt]

Please stay on topic.