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abababba
14-03-2009, 12:40 AM
I think, although I can't prove that most people in the 911 truth movement on both sides of the no plane theory debate are not agents. I may be wrong but here is my argument.

I know plenty of honest people in life that have convinced themselves that 911 was not an inside job even after looking at some of the evidence. They say to themselves, that based on their a priori perception of the world, 911 being an inside job is an extremely unlikely, maybe 1 in a million scenario and are satisfied with thinking it could not be an inside job. Their intuition must be wrong because it is so unlikely. It turns out after looking at the evidence, it might be even less likely maybe 1 in a million squared that it is not an inside job, but that fact does not enter the mind unless someone looks at the evidence with an open mind. People search out an excuse to prevent them from understanding the full scope of what is going on.

I ask myself why can't the same thing be true for no planes? No planes is so improbable a priori before examining the evidence, maybe 1 in a million even after you believe 911 was an inside job. People search out any small piece of evidence which confirms this belief. After a full examination of the evidence, it might be 1 in a million squared again for the reverse, that planes actually hit the building.

Both sides believe there are many agents on the other side, but I know people who think they have given the evidence an honest look and believe one or the other. Many people just aren't prepared to believe the most controversial and mind changing facts, even if the evidence is overwhelming.
The mind often seems to do an amazing job of convincing people that they are right.

The only way the new world order can work behind the scenes is if most people involved don't know the full scale of plans. They must be compartmentalized. Everyone can't know everything. There is some truth to the people that say 911 could not have happened if thousands in the government knew the full scale of the plans. What they do not realize is that most people involved don't understand the full scale of what they are involved in.

If a few people out there agree, maybe we can move towards a more civil discussion of these issues. This is just speculation, but I would be interested to hear comments.

mynameis
14-03-2009, 01:41 AM
For myself don't think so.

Provocateur Attacks WeAreCHANGE - YouTube

NicoHitler 911 Transgression Blitzkrieg On A New York Subway - YouTube

abababba
14-03-2009, 01:56 AM
For myself don't think so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRj-S-Ktm5Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzHLqmu4Ws4

Mynameis: I understand where you are coming from on this one. If there is one person on either side that obviously breaks the description above, it is Nico, who even many no planers consider crazy at this point.

On the other hand, everything except the police just walking away after an assault can be explained by a slightly deranged person with an extremely large ego.

Certainly, I would think you would agree that one agent on either side should not bring down an entire argument.

It could just as easily be a planting of someone on the right side of an issue in order to taint it with crazy antics.

matrix911
14-03-2009, 05:01 AM
I think, although I can't prove that most people in the 911 truth movement on both sides of the no plane theory debate are not agents. I may be wrong but here is my argument.

I know plenty of honest people in life that have convinced themselves that 911 was not an inside job even after looking at some of the evidence. They say to themselves, that based on their a priori perception of the world, 911 being an inside job is an extremely unlikely, maybe 1 in a million scenario and are satisfied with thinking it could not be an inside job. Their intuition must be wrong because it is so unlikely. It turns out after looking at the evidence, it might be even less likely maybe 1 in a million squared that it is not an inside job, but that fact does not enter the mind unless someone looks at the evidence with an open mind. People search out an excuse to prevent them from understanding the full scope of what is going on.

I ask myself why can't the same thing be true for no planes? No planes is so improbable a priori before examining the evidence, maybe 1 in a million even after you believe 911 was an inside job. People search out any small piece of evidence which confirms this belief. After a full examination of the evidence, it might be 1 in a million squared again for the reverse, that planes actually hit the building.

Both sides believe there are many agents on the other side, but I know people who think they have given the evidence an honest look and believe one or the other. Many people just aren't prepared to believe the most controversial and mind changing facts, even if the evidence is overwhelming.
The mind often seems to do an amazing job of convincing people that they are right.

The only way the new world order can work behind the scenes is if most people involved don't know the full scale of plans. They must be compartmentalized. Everyone can't know everything. There is some truth to the people that say 911 could not have happened if thousands in the government knew the full scale of the plans. What they do not realize is that most people involved don't understand the full scale of what they are involved in.

If a few people out there agree, maybe we can move towards a more civil discussion of these issues. This is just speculation, but I would be interested to hear comments.


doesn't matter what peoples OPINIONS are about 911 inside job and even NPT... the FACTS are what matters. People can deny the facts all they want, but it won't change whats been proven beyond a doubt that any real investigation and court of law would be able to convict on.

FACT: Docs such as Sept Clues have proven beyond a doubt the MSM were complicit and guilty of TV FAKERY... and thats not an opinion.

NPT although proven as well imo, isn't even really whats more important to understand. The FACT that FAKERY and tampering of the LIVE FOOTAGE exists and has irrefutable evidence to support it which was fed through the MSM, is what matters first... once thats established and understood, the REAL NPT becomes more clear.

Most who argue there's no fakery, have never and will never be able to disprove whats been presented by SC et al. But MOST who deny and argue against the fakery, haven't bothered to do any serious investigation/research into the evidence nor can most even look at it objectively due to their ego's inability to accept they've been deceived that badly.

Being a major skeptic, Even I originally/initially dismissed the idea of fake planes, cgi or holograms since at the time, there wasn't enough evidence presented or enough analysis done to convince me until years later when SC appeared onto the scene. And the primary reason i dismissed fakery was the word HOLOGRAM... it was just too extreme a term and concept to accept... but the FAKERY isn't. Its blatant. Hologram tech is just too radical a term and more difficult to argue/prove in this case for most to grasp and accept.

abababba
14-03-2009, 10:45 AM
Being a major skeptic, Even I originally/initially dismissed the idea of fake planes, cgi or holograms since at the time, there wasn't enough evidence presented or enough analysis done to convince me until years later when SC appeared onto the scene. And the primary reason i dismissed fakery was the word HOLOGRAM... it was just too extreme a term and concept to accept... but the FAKERY isn't. Its blatant. Hologram tech is just too radical a term and more difficult to argue/prove in this case for most to grasp and accept.

It seems like a lot of people formed their opinions about TV Fakery and no planes before September Clues and other recent evidence was presented. They are less willing to look at the new evidence because they made up their mind earlier.

This suggests that there are many 911 truthers that have not seen all the evidence, because if me and you just found out recently it is reasonable to assume others still are in the dark. Even though I have seen a lot of evidence, it is not always obvious to me how to interpret things. It would be better if in addition to SC, there was a good documentary explaining the physics of no planes.