No Cold War if U.S. keeps out of Europe

[december]

No Cold War if U.S. keeps out of Europe, vows Russia's Ivanov

http://img.rian.ru/images/6397/83/63978307.jpg


04/ 07/ 2007


TASHKENT, July 4 (RIA Novosti) - Russia's deputy prime minister said Wednesday the media could "forget the term Cold War" if the U.S. agreed to Russia's latest missile defense proposal to use a base in Russia instead of Central Europe.

"If the proposal [on a new radar in Russia] is accepted, we will have no reason to deploy more missiles in our European regions," including the Kaliningrad Region, a Russian exclave bordering on Lithuania and Poland, Sergei Ivanov told reporters.

"After that I will request that journalists forget such terms like 'Cold War'," Ivanov said.

President Vladimir Putin, during his recent two-day meeting with President George W. Bush at his father's house at Kennebunkport, Maine, proposed incorporating a new radar, currently being built in Southern Russia, into part of a missile defense system managed by the NATO-Russia Joint Permanent Council, of which Moscow and Washington are members.

When asked whether Russia really could counteract the perceived threat from U.S. missile defense plans to deploy bases in Central Europe, Ivanov said: "We have found an asymmetric and appropriate response."

Ivanov also said Russia was ready to upgrade its early warning radar in Gabala, Azerbaijan, which was also proposed as an alternative to U.S. missile plans, but America has repeatedly called it obsolete.

Ivanov said the radar could be installed with state of the art equipment, "The technology is completely new, it is already in use with our Space Forces."

All information from the new radar will be compatible with a "joint information system" aggregating antimissile data in two centers in Moscow and Brussels.

The U.S. has said it wants to place a radar and a host of interceptor missiles in Poland and the Czech Republic to fend off what Washington sees as an impending missile threat from Iran and North Korea.

Russia's future radar base is located near the town of Armavir, Krasnodar Territory - about 700 km (450 miles) to the northwest of the Iranian border and just about 100 km to the north of Sochi, the Russian alpine resort on the Black Sea, whose bid to host the 2014 Winter Olympics will be decided tomorrow in Guatemala.

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070704/68350442.html

[truthseeker1980]

In other words, world war 3 will start when both the US and Russia decide it will.

Putin and Bush are probably discussing or drawing straws about who will be seen to antaganise China and who will be seen to antaganise North Korea, once the planned cold war starts.

Just as the US are being staged/seen to antaganise Russia with the missile plans.

They are all on the same side December.

[december]

In other words, world war 3 will start when both the US and Russia decide it will.

Putin and Bush are probably discussing or drawing straws about who will be seen to antaganise China and who will be seen to antaganise North Korea, once the planned cold war starts.

Just as the US are being staged/seen to antaganise Russia with the missile plans.

They are all on the same side December.


You have VERY strange and sick logic, truthseeker1980.

Russia doesn't want any confrontation with Europe, but it is NATO (which is run by America) that is getting closer and closer to Russia's borders and not the other way around.

The West (mostly USA) just hates to see prosperous Russia and improving relationships between Europe and Russia after the "Cold War" so that's why they publish propaganda articles in their media such as this one:

"West is scared of Russia's economic might"

Russia's economic might: spooky or soothing?

The Russians are displaying their wealth with pride, whether on the streets of Moscow or on the global geopolitical arena.

Last year, the number of so-called "high net worth individuals" - people whose spending power exceeds $1bn (£500m) - in Russia rose 15.5% - compared with an 8% swelling in their number globally, according to the Merrill Lynch and CapGemini World Wealth Report.

Agrees Global Insight Russia analyst Natalia Leshchenko: "Living standards are slowly beginning to improve, also for the poorest, and that's why Putin is popular."

READ MORE -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6265068.stm


So, in other words - the USA hates to see the rise of Russia and therefore plans to turn Europe against Moscow and then make war profits as they did DURING and AFTER the Second World War with their "Marshal Plan".

Obviously in case of the millitary conflict between EU and Russia it will be ONLY America who will benefit from it.

Americans will be sitting in comfort at home on their couches and watching war reports from Europe on TV, while at the same time checking the prices on the New York stock exchange as they did in 1941...

http://icf.som.yale.edu/nyse/images/TradingFloor3.jpg




How soon do we forget....
EUROPE in 1940s -

http://www.prato.linux.it/~lmasetti/antiwarsongs/img/upl/dresden.jpg

[truthseeker1980]

You have the strangest logic thinking that Russia are not part of the NWO agenda. They are on the same bloody side, every country with a government is.

As every government is controlled by the hidden hand not the people elected. Thus believing the crap the media report on either side of the argument is ludicrous, fair enough the Russian media may expose more than the Western European media does, but that doesn't mean that Russia are not in on the plan too.

Think about it.

[december]

You have the strangest logic thinking that Russia are not part of the NWO agenda. They are on the same bloody side, every country with a government is.

As every government is controlled by the hidden hand not the people elected. Thus believing the crap the media report on either side of the argument is ludicrous, fair enough the Russian media may expose more than the Western European media does, but that doesn't mean that Russia are not in on the plan too.

Can you prove it WITH FACTS?


Think about it.

I think you need to prove your point....

[peachped]

I have no proof, but i believe they are all part of the same gang, i guess it's just intuition.http://www.jonesreport.com/images/191106_bush_putin_hu.jpg

[truthseeker1980]

Intuition and common sense tells me this.

I have no proof which i can find to show you now, as I am chained to a desk.

But can i ask you if you have actually read or watched any of David's research?

It's just Russian media propoganda, which you post.

Interesting to read but could also be considered as Disinfo!

[december]

But can i ask you if you have actually read or watched any of David's research?

Yes, I have. I did read most of Icke books. And watched the videos...
I was also a member of the old David Icke forum for almost a year.

Why did you ask, truthseeker1980?


I have no proof which i can find to show you now, as I am chained to a desk.

Take your time. Once you find some PROOF you go right ahead and post it here.

:)

[december]

I have no proof...

Once you find ANY let me know.


...i guess it's just intuition.

When I look at your avatar, my intuition tells me that you are on drugs...

[peachped]

Your intuition is wrong then. Post proof that I'm on drugs lol.

That's not me in the avatar pic December by the way. I dont know who it is, mebbe it's Putin? :D

doesn't he look a plonker flanked by his NWO buddies in that picture?! Heh heh.http://www.jonesreport.com/images/191106_bush_putin_hu.jpg

[truthseeker1980]

Are you for real December?

Why do you come on here if you just push media propoganda?

If you have read all of his books and research, why are you doubting that the NWO agenda exists?

Common sense tells me that it does, how would the orchastrated WW1/WW2 have happened if they were not all on the same side? The average member of public doesn't want war, no-one does. The governments of all countries did though, is that not proof enough for you? Thousands upon millions of lives lost because they wanted to create Isreal, for more problems to be created now.

The bin laden family still do business with Bush...... erm is that not evidence. Even though he is supposed to have been behind 9/11, who in their right mind would still do business with soemone who supposidly killed thousands of your countrymen? The Bin Laden family own almost everything in the middle east....more evidence.

They have drawn up plans for an administrative Europe with no countries just administrative areas... more evidence.

Have you read Synergy777's post about the plans and what is left to do?....more evidence.http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5924

Tony Blair who the UK public elected has resigned and the UK given new PM without election, who has already stated that big things are going to change.... more evidence.

The EU...more evidence

The Euro currency... more evidence.

I could go on and actually bother looking for hard evidence but you are going to not beleive it, most on here can see the evidence, i can see it more since researching into david's work but i noticed and found this out before i even thought David was credible.

[lumukanda]

you're wasting time debating with december, he's a russian sycophant who loves russia so much he lives in AMERICA!
often he says something that makes a lot of sense, like his 'does the NWO really exist' thread, that's something worth thinking about, but most of the time he posts the same things over and over again, defending his belief that putin has erradicated the illuminati from russia, maybe he has, but looking at the recent crackdown on journalists, and thinking if that is the future of russia (or is it the past), it amounts to the same damn thing, no freedom.

[cleopatraxxx]

Hello All.........

December, pochemu u are always on the defensive?
i wouldnt judge anyone by the avatar... actually i dont see any, was it deleted? truthseeker?
i would say that if we all have watched and read and feel the ICKEs messages, no matter what we believe, can't we just stop fighting each other as i constantly "see" some still doing in forums???
for the Creators sake, when will we keep pushing the sardines to our own side? can't we share it peacefully and enjoy it with wine? or beer? or vodka?

December, i do understand your concern in trying to tell everyone what YOU FEEL is correct, but can't we all finally see????? that the only corrrect side is the one without the wars???? no matter who is write or wrong, WAR was never a solution to anything, except to death, sending ignorant souls back to where they came from!

when are HUMANS going to stop wars?
after all, what is the definition os BEING HUMAN?
whoever attacks physically is never a peacekeeper!

it is not easy to take sides of course. but i think it is time to see that the GAME BEING PLAYED will not bring LIFE, probably the opposite! so why not breath slowly, deep and not enter the game of self destruction through ignorance?
lets TEACH EACH OTHER LOVE, NOT WAR.
i am not saying you December are makng war, you ARE STiLL FREE to post and WRITE, Thank God, we weren't n the past and may soon not be again if we continue to feed the egos and controllers....

PLEASE! PEACE,
LOVE and more LOVE.............................................. ..................................................

[cleopatraxxx]

Christ!
Lumu, I never read all post here , and after mine posted, I read yours.
we bascally say the same thing... the freedom and no freedom...

planet Earth and it's illusions
LOVE to all
CLeoXXX