Free Energy

[hagbard_celine]

I know this has been done before, but does anyone have any new thoughts on the subject?

[lottie]

just a thought- but ive always thought if i were in a position of power on this one....i'd make it mandatory that all houses are built with solar panels/wind tubines (small) and any other type of free energy we can get our hands on, it'd be much better in the long run surely, no need to use electric from the grid but hey- its this way for a reason....nothing to do with the money and control in it eh? :D

[hagbard_celine]

, no need to use electric from the grid but hey- its this way for a reason....nothing to do with the money and control in it eh? :D

Spot on! :)

And wind power and solar energy is just the tip of the iceberg! I'm sure we'll get into the underwater bits.

[kasalt]

It's won't be free, but Blacklight Power Inc. claims to have developed a new source of energy that will be cheap:

http://www.blacklightpower.com/applications.shtml#Power

[emtec]

just a thought- but ive always thought if i were in a position of power on this one....i'd make it mandatory that all houses are built with solar panels/wind tubines (small) and any other type of free energy we can get our hands on, it'd be much better in the long run surely, no need to use electric from the grid but hey- its this way for a reason....nothing to do with the money and control in it eh? :D

In the UK you can get government grants to help finance the fitting of solar panels and wind turbines to your home. Not only that you can sell any power you dont need to the power companies.

[emtec]

Spot on! :)

And wind power and solar energy is just the tip of the iceberg! I'm sure we'll get into the underwater bits.


Still the discussion that sprouted this thraed was about free energy machines that generate power from nowhere not from the sun wind sea or anywhere else.

Over unity machines.

[lottie]

Still the discussion that sprouted this thraed was about free energy machines that generate power from nowhere not from the sun wind sea or anywhere else.

Over unity machines.

i did wonder, im not up on those subjects really- but i have watched a google vid about a guy who managed to get a car to run on water, thats about as far as ive gone with that subject.....it angers me when there are so many deprived of basic essential human needs like water etc when there are plenty of ways to solve it through free energy, or the govs could stop being selfish bastards and wipe shitty debts that dont exist!

[emtec]

i did wonder, im not up on those subjects really- but i have watched a google vid about a guy who managed to get a car to run on water, thats about as far as ive gone with that subject.....it angers me when there are so many deprived of basic essential human needs like water etc when there are plenty of ways to solve it through free energy, or the govs could stop being selfish bastards and wipe shitty debts that dont exist!

The car doesnt run on water it uses hydrogen and oxygen extracted from the water to add to the petrol or as Americans say gasoline as an addative to improve MPG. Remember though the weight of the extra machinery to do this and the water needed to be carried have to be added to the equation also. We also have to think about the electrical power needed to covert the water to H and O that has to come from somewhere. There is no gain. The water powered car scam comes around about every 10-15 years and people still find foolish investors.

[fccool]

Check it out. http://www.steorn.com/ The demostration is today. Watch it live. Looks promicing.

[hagbard_celine]

Check it out. http://www.steorn.com/ The demostration is today. Watch it live. Looks promicing.

I'm not so sure. This did look hopeful a frew months ago, but I'm getting impatient for the results of the validation process. They're still going at full speed on their various publicity campaigns, like this live demo (I see they're also producing a film) but no validation. I gave them my email and they promised to contact me in the new year with an update. They didn't. They're also not publishing blueprints, papers or anything like that; nor are they revelaing the names of the scientists who initially supported them.

My guess is that if they'd really discovered Free Energy, they wouldn't be allowed to shout it from the rooftops. Then again I might be wrong. the Loomies might be planning to declassify it as part of "Disclosure" as the Free energy issue is very closely linked to the UFO phenomena.

[ashyr]

looks good, ive seen a few devices sques they look good and promising. some of them even work also . i know this is possible,

[emtec]

We are experiencing some technical difficulties with the demo unit in London.

2 days going into day 3 and nothing. Lol i would have put money on that my house even.

Its a free energy classic thats used all the time.

www.phact.org/e/con_man.htm

[emtec]

http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10005596o-2000331777b,00.htm

You have got to laugh when they say the have constructed it out of perspex so there's no where to hide battery's.

[gods sun]

you just wait till antimatter is made then you will see energy like no other but yet you get the goverment to say its bad its not green and then they tax you but the you get solar energy etc but again the goverment will just come up with another study saying its damaging the ozone.

[furi]

OH, I really would love to live long enough to see a working annihilator power plant, (who knows might be the last thing I see :rolleyes:)

But would like just to see the current range of Plasma Fusions get off the ground, it really annoys me that people hear the word nuclear and immediately decide to jump into the quick kill the idea with sticks and fire mode.

As for Over Unity machines... nope. not a hope, unless someone redeveloped certain principals of Thermodynamics while I wasn't looking

[emtec]

i phoned the museum again and was told at 3 pm GMT the managing director of steorn will make a press announcement. The machine will not be working by tomorrow or by the 10 which is the end of the show in fact its going to be weeks.

Thing is they are blaming it on TV lights so why not just take them out?

So thats them off the hook for now. This is following the path of all free energy scams.

[fccool]

I'm quite disapointed, but not hopeless. BTW magnetic energy can bend the laws of thermodynamics. The structure of atoms are living proofs of it. The atoms can't exist, according to the law at leas... These should fall apart, and the matter should slowly disintegrate into gas and fill the vacume of space. But there's something that holds the electrons in their proper orbits, some invisible force. Even the greatest scientists in the world are baffled. So I have hope for free magnetic energy. Although what Steorn is doing does sound like a classic perpetum mobile hoax, I'd give them a chance to present it first before making any conclusions. I work in a production studio, and I doubt that television lights were problem, but who knows.

[furi]

a little clarification, as I may need some reading up on recent quantum mech.
the law at leas, what do you mean by leas, is that an acronym for a linear electron accelerator stanford? also which law?

when you say the atom would degenerate to a gas, is that a gas as in the classical molecular (although fully ionised) gas determination, or a fermi/bose gas model?

[fccool]

Furi,

1) Leas is a typo for least

2) The law I'm talking about here is a combined law of thermodynamics expressed in this formula here:

dE - TdS + pdV <= (less or equal to) 0

which is basis for what we know thermodynamic equillibrium. In simple terms it means that energy always exists in space and it tends to find equillibrium.

According to quantum phisics as we all been taught at school the two particles that this world is made of are protons and electrons (and questionable neutrons). So the explanation of a mechanistm of these staying together that we are given by scientists is the following. The protons are positevily charged, the electrons are negatively charged. So the opposites attract, and the like ones repel. We are never given explanation why it happens. It just does. We have to accept it by their scientific faith. So taking it even further. They tell us that the reason for the diversity of matter is these combining into 109 different elements according to "physical law" of equillibrium. So the whole modern science of chemistry and most of modern physics rests on such assumption.
Here comes the problem. What makes electrons stay in their respective orbits? We don't know. What makes them spin around the core of protons and nutrons at an incredible rate? We don't know. If energy indeed tends to come to its natural state, which is equillibrium, then this phenomena would not occur. But as we can see the atoms are tiny energy factories that are constantly being powered by nothing ( well at least acording to modern scientific assumptions). And then we finally realise that we don't know jack about how this world operates :). The best explanation that science came up with : It is because it is, and it does because it does. What causes electrons be negative and protons positive? Not a clue. Why are nutrons nutral?

So, coming back to disintigrating into gas. If you indeed believe that world operates based on little tiny magnets, well semi magnests because magnets are polar, then you would come to conclusion that it must be chaotic. There is no real way to predict where one would be at a certain point of time. What causes atmosphere from diminishing into vacum? Earth gravity (or so we are told). It's reasonable assumption, don't get me wrong. BUT. According to combined law of thermodinamics this would not happen. Why? If matter and energy are interchangable notions, then the energy just like matter would fill the space. But it does not do it. It magically groups itself leaving empty space with no matter (or at least the the one that we can detect). So this theory would make perfect sence in a computer terms. All information is CONTROLLED 1s and 0s combined and grouped to form more complex information. But in the realm of modern physics, It seems that even sub atomic particles have to be controlled to make up matter. That's the only way it seems possible to me. I hope my clarificaiton makes sence.

[ashyr]

roll out the red tape

[hagbard_celine]

OH, I really would love to live long enough to see a working annihilator power plant, (who knows might be the last thing I see :rolleyes:)

But would like just to see the current range of Plasma Fusions get off the ground, it really annoys me that people hear the word nuclear and immediately decide to jump into the quick kill the idea with sticks and fire mode.

As for Over Unity machines... nope. not a hope, unless someone redeveloped certain principals of Thermodynamics while I wasn't looking

Does fusion produce the same emissions as fission? I live very close to the experimental fusion plant at Culham in Oxfordshire, so I hope not!

The thing about antimatter is that it's not free enrgy as such. In fact at the moment it's the least free energy of all! It takes a billion dollar accellerator to produce a few atoms of the stuff!

[furi]

Hagbard celine I would have loved to have worked at culham through HEAT and Start, in comparison a toroidal fusion chamber poses far less less risk than a fission reactor a gas/oil reactor and most definitely less than a solid fossil fuel reactor. antimatter anihilation is definately not free energy, but is very efficient. :D

fccool just re writing answer, was a bit long one the first draft (do I need to go into strong nuclear force and gluons and transition and ineraction of Up / down quarks between protons and neutrons, or is there a dispute on aspects of the particle physics mode?l)

[fccool]

Furi,

I am familiar with quantum mechanics basics. Those are theoretical at best as there are different theories being pushed forward year after year. If there is no known way to separate "quarks" (substitute your own name) form nucleus, then it's a theory at best. And scientists have no dillusion about it. IT'S A THEORY. Quarks can not be observed, and science is based on observation. I can push forward any theory I want if I know it can not be proved or disproved.
To sum up the scientific reason behind the protons not being repelled in the nucleus : -The protons ussually repel because they are positive, but there's a force that holds them together. It is called a strong force (that's the best name scientific community could come up with). And that strong force you see only acts only in close range. It make sence, in a way of "well, duh", but still does not explain the process logically. Protons behave like they usually do, EXCEPT is they are in a close range to each other... which makes them lock up. Quantum mechanics is based on assumption, which try to explain the reality... but fail miserably IMO. I might be wrong... but then again. It's just my opinion.

[furi]

Oh I agree the current system of describing particle and a nuclear structure is only a theory, and there are other models doing the rounds,and the current ideas break down occasionally, however it seems the best model we have at present :)

I know Strong Force & Weak force aren't exactly the most awe inspiring names, but they are descriptive of mechanism, but like the Shake Unit, as long as is when it is used people use the same system or idea the naming can be as informal as required, I personally would like to see more interesting names in the sciences, when I have helped kids with their homework, I have found that getting them to substitute the official wording for kittens, pixies, spoons, jelly etc can make not only for some interesting conversations but also removes the boredom and removes the awkwardness or preconception in regards to the former word. I often replace Quarks with the phrase magical pixies even to myself (not that existing Quark terminology can not be gigglesome enough as is :p)

when the phrase Free energy is used, are we talking in the sense of cost, or over unity. I have been using it as over unity.

[tejas]

And then we finally realise that we don't know jack about how this world operates :).

ROFLMAO.
I have never heard such a perfect statement :)

[cruise4]

Physics always describes the observable, never the causal. Whats light? Whats electricity? Whats Gravity? Whats Conciousness? I am under the impression that these base questions are as unanswered now as they were 1000's of years ago.

Is this right?

[gravityhero23]

Excellent question Mr Submarine travelling celine. ANd I'm sorry to flux with the skeptics heads before I offer positive info on my attempt to answer - but ignorant schooled (indoctrinated) know it alls float my calm watered boat - - "Free Energy" technology in various guises has been around for a few decades - what with the Genius of Tesla and his now demolished wardenclyffe tower- enabling wireless transmissions - -

http://www.teslascience.org/

and the inventions of Moray
- http://www.cheniere.org/books/excalibur/moray.htm

but the skeptics will again do a little google search and go with the disinformation so alluding to their own ignorance - you get me??? for fucks sake it is a conspiracy fact that the World Big brokers of Industry, be that Physical - with allopathic medicine Big Pharma cancer aids lies ? oIL - military Industrial Complex suppress and destroy anyone or anything that challenges their Control network....(and utilise the knowledge for themselves - you didnt really think the phone masts are just for the good of humankind -mobile communication did ya????) Look into the biographies of Willhelm Reich - Royal Raymond Rife - William Cooper - Phil Schneider to name a few - - you don't have to drink of these waters but it would help to sip the intoxicating wine of Truth, once in a while - i'm not advocating full on belief - - i'm with the Rob ert Anton Wilson head trip in relation to skepticism - non aristotelian maybe rather than scientifically lazy or like I say Believe not to believe belief.

China have overt weather seeded technology, just think what |Nasa have in their arsenal.

Shit the Us Army are in talks with this guy regarding his HHo invention, from the Fix news mainstream news.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxg885WZTDE&search=fox%20hho%20gas



Hagbard, have you seen this Daniel Dingel inventor 's video before?


Water Car ... Daniel Dingel - YouTube

thankyou for enabling me to rant a little over something i'm passionate about - - I have seen the Fnords-

[hagbard_celine]

Excellent question Mr Submarine travelling celine. ANd I'm sorry to flux with the skeptics heads before I offer positive info on my attempt to answer - but ignorant schooled (indoctrinated) know it alls float my calm watered boat - - "Free Energy" technology in various guises has been around for a few decades - what with the Genius of Tesla and his now demolished wardenclyffe tower- enabling wireless transmissions - -

http://www.teslascience.org/

and the inventions of Moray
- http://www.cheniere.org/books/excalibur/moray.htm

but the skeptics will again do a little google search and go with the disinformation so alluding to their own ignorance - you get me??? for fucks sake it is a conspiracy fact that the World Big brokers of Industry, be that Physical - with allopathic medicine Big Pharma cancer aids lies ? oIL - military Industrial Complex suppress and destroy anyone or anything that challenges their Control network....(and utilise the knowledge for themselves - you didnt really think the phone masts are just for the good of humankind -mobile communication did ya????) Look into the biographies of Willhelm Reich - Royal Raymond Rife - William Cooper - Phil Schneider to name a few - - you don't have to drink of these waters but it would help to sip the intoxicating wine of Truth, once in a while - i'm not advocating full on belief - - i'm with the Rob ert Anton Wilson head trip in relation to skepticism - non aristotelian maybe rather than scientifically lazy or like I say Believe not to believe belief.

China have overt weather seeded technology, just think what |Nasa have in their arsenal.

Shit the Us Army are in talks with this guy regarding his HHo invention, from the Fix news mainstream news.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxg885WZTDE&search=fox%20hho%20gas



Hagbard, have you seen this Daniel Dingel inventor 's video before?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVhXrvCCILw

thankyou for enabling me to rant a little over something i'm passionate about - - I have seen the Fnords-


Well said, Gravity Hero! Hail Eris!:)

I'd like to install that engine on the Lief Erikson, only I've already got it powered by Schauberger's Trout Turbine! :D

You said it like it is, mate. I mean, what would happen if Free Energy was publically released? Are we really going to go up to the chairman of Shell and say "Sorry, you're services are no loger required."!?:eek: Dingel invented that car 30 years ago and it's not being sold down at the local showroom!The incident I describe above in Llanelli shows you why. I wonder how much money the oil companies paid Pons and Fleischman! Or did they have to get an underage male prostitute to seduce them and secretly film it?

Didn't something bad happen to Dingel recently?

[hagbard_celine]

Sorry, I've just noticed that I didn't write about Llanelli here. Here's what happened:

Let nobody believe the hype about the energy companies "desperately searching for a practical alternative to fossil fuels, other than dirty, dangerous nuclear fission". When someone actually finds such an alternative the elite show their true colours.

Prime example: In Llanelli, south Wales a few years ago a man decided to start running his diesel car on cooking oil. This is perfectly possible and safe, and it's actually very low emission, less than 20% that of diesel (Don't try this is your car has a petrol (gasoline) engine. It will bung it up good and proper!) The oil doesn't even need to be clean. This guy just went down the local chippie at closing time and asked for the oil they usually just pour down the drain; he took it home, strained the bits out with a sieve and siphoned it into his car's tank. He was crucified by the law! He was dragged up into court and prosecuted for evading the fuel tax! He was fined £1000 for not paying tax on a product he hadn't bought! What an insane convoluted case! This shows what a panic the authorities were in to stop him! It also shows the true situation we're in. From the moment we receive a driving license or buy our first car, we are legally obliged to use the fuel provided by official sources. If we don't, well... muggers and burglars sometime get treated more leniently in court.