They are intending to STARVE us

[susano]

You May Be Arrested Soon For Growing A Tomato

As our government hands over billions to Wall Street bankers, jobless Americans live in tent cities and collect food stamps in record numbers. Now when we need it the most, growing our own food may be against the law and punishable by a fine of up to $1,000,000. Think I’m joking? Meet Bill HR 875, The Food Safety Modernization Act of 2009, introduced by Rosa DeLauro whose husband Stanley Greenburg works for Monsanto. The insanity doesn’t stop there—fishing boats, hotdog stands, neighborhood vegetable booths and farmers’ markets will be federally regulated under the same draconian law. As always, the spin is designed to make you (the public) believe these new provisions are for your own good. Under the deceitful guise of protection, the goal of this bill is crystal clear: to prevent us from locally growing our own food so multinational agribusiness can completely control the production and distribution of our food supply. I refer you to the usual suspects—Monsanto, ADM, Sodexo, Tyson, and Smithfield.

This bill is designed to allow corporations, with the help of their hired government guns, to force small competitors (you and me) out of business. This is as evil as it gets, folks. Since the dawn of man we have hunted and farmed our own food——it’s second nature. To be stripped of the most fundamental act of survival is equivalent to the kind of mass enslavement you only read about in history books, like the kind under Pharaohs in ancient Egypt.

Lurking within the maze of technical lawyer-like jargon, the bill places wildly restrictive regulatory incumbrances on the average vegetable growing Joe-The-Plumber, small organic farmer, or anyone for that matter who may one day decide to grow a small garden. The bill would require anyone associated with growing, storing, transporting or processing food to be subject to inspections by federal agents of their property and all records related to food production; you would be required to conduct specials tests, maintain samples and records, and allow government officials to mandate the use of chemical pesticides, fertilizers, specific types of nutrients, packaging, and temperature controls. Violation of any of these provisions would subject the offender to property seizure, imprisonment and fines up to $1,000,000. The implementation of these bogus regulations are designed to be so cost and time prohibitive, no one would bother to grow their own food or risk being jailed and fined for participating in a black market.

Linn Cohen-Cole with Oped News writes:

“The bill is monstrous on level after level - the power it would give to Monsanto, the criminalization of seed banking, the prison terms and confiscatory fines for farmers, the 24 hours GPS tracking of their animals, the easements on their property to allow for warrantless government entry, the stripping away of their property rights, the imposition by the filthy, greedy industrial side of anti-farming international ‘industrial’ standards to independent farms - the only part of our food system that still works, the planned elimination of farmers through all these means.

“The corporations want the land, they want more intensive industrialization, they want the end of normal animals so they can substitute patented genetically engineered ones they own, they want the end of normal seeds and thus of seed banking by farmers or individuals. They want control over all seeds, animals, water, and land.”

I urge you to read the bill here (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h875/text), then call your representative and congressman.

Here is a video on it:

http://blog.friendseat.com/rosa-delauro-hates-small-farms/


I think something else on this may have been posted, but it needs to be TOP PRIORITY. If you are in the states, PLEASE email this to everyone in your address books and call congress. NO FUCKING WAY will these bastards control our food.

[motleyhoo]

Dude, I have been on this for days now and I'm currently drafting a letter to my Representatives. My wife and I are informing everyone we know about this and urging them to do the same. Everyone we've shown this to has been outraged. I have been politically tuned in and active for several years now and this is without a doubt the most facist, most agregious piece of legislation I have ever seen. It is beyond being a travesty of justice and human rights.

I work in IT and I have just gotten burned out on it, not to mention that the industry has been contracting for some time. I have spent the last year planning on starting up my own organic farming business. I have been attending classes, studying, working on my business plan, and lookng for suitable land. Imagine my dismay a few days ago when I saw this bomb get dropped. I have been sick to my stomach and sleepless ever since. Part of my reasoning for the career change is its a way for me to fight back against the food, agro, and pharma industries, while giving me a way to give back to my community. This feels like they kicked me in the groin.

I know about and understand how the process of industrial growth and monoplization occurs, but this is just beyond the pale.

[susano]

Good for you, Motleyhoo. Keep going with your plans. FUCK this government. There is no way in hell this passes without a war resulting, period. I live in the country and I'm going to volunteer to help a farmer with their roadside stand.

[ownoiz]

All hail Obama the messiah :rolleyes:

I have spotted a global food agenda from a few years back, i attempt to inform as many people as i can, and many times it has been to my detriment.

Well those people can call me nuts when their eating their frankenfood chemical cocktails.

Those people can call me nuts now that the government doesnt let them irrigate.

I have told people everywhere from city sheeple in OZ in person to people involved in food production in California over the phone and in emails.

I hate to say i told you so, but to those clowns...i fucking told you so.

Ego is bad, people thinking they are above getting screwed by their elected officials is bad. Ego and associated denial is the reason for people ignoring the signs.

WATER IS THE NEW OIL

FOOD IS THE NEW OIL

Oil was monolpolised by TPTB, and has been the main reason for most of the wars in the 1900s and 2000s. These wars were necessary to eliminate competitors.

What is going to happen now?
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"98% of us will die at some point in our lives" - Will Ferrell - Talladega Nights

[susano]

"What is going to happen now" is war.

[ritchs]

Susano, Thanks for pointing this out to everyone! This is serious shit.


"Control the oil and you control entire nations; control the food and you control the people."
~~ Henry Kissinger

I wonder how this will all work out, I have very grave concerns that Congress doesn't give a hoot what we think. An Us and Them mentality, remember the bailout? I wrote so many people, I lost count. And their attitude was f-_k you, we're the rulers.

I say that we all write vigorously and call all legislators. If they ignore us, then things will be clear. I'm hoping it's not past that point, and we need to see that.

[unbornawakened]

This is awful :mad: I don't know what to say :(

[ritchs]

Yes starving us will be one option. I think it will be a multifaceted approach. Several different things at once or in series to grind us into the dirt. Demoralize, terrorize, shock and awe, the bowels of the earth laid open in a Amageddon scenario. To break the enemies (us) spirit to fight, and in the end death would be a release than face living. Pestilence, Haarp waves in our brains, our thoughts not our own (elf towers) feeling sick, open sores, radioactivity, foreign troops and atrocities, a veritiable shit storm. Maybe we will embrace slavery? They better think again.


And when he [the Lamb] had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.." (Rev. 8:1)

And the seventh angel poured out his bowl upon the air; and a loud voice came out of the Temple from the throne, saying, “It is finished.” Revelation 16:17

[pacoquerak]

one of these topics needs to be friggin stickied somewhere

[wabbitpoo]

Come on, think about it - how exactly do you think they'd even try to enforce this? You really think everyone who grows their own veg in the back garden is going to get arrested?

It might sound bad but I think the pure facts have, yet again, been spun to make them fit paranoia, as usual.

[bagatell]

"What is going to happen now" is war.

Pitchforks v nukes? it´s going to be a very short war. If enough of us just turn our backs on the pyramid and walk away it will collapse.

[mightiswrong]

This is a bill and has not been passed so it is not in effect.

If we continue to live the way we have every time we eat we put more money and power in the hands of monsanto and the rest.

There really is nothing they can do about people growing there own food and you can be sure the farmers are not to be trusted. They generally take every subsidy and do what ever they are told.

Having been to the states several times I can say that most of the food is already very poor in quality. Also in Europe it is easy to taste and feel the fall in quality in nations since they have joined the EU.

Please have a look at this petition in my signature and add your support. See what people have written.

Real action beats dependence on a self preserving system that serves itself rather than Man.

[i_am]

Welcome to the world of Codex Alimentarius

[john connor]

Come on, think about it - how exactly do you think they'd even try to enforce this? You really think everyone who grows their own veg in the back garden is going to get arrested?

It might sound bad but I think the pure facts have, yet again, been spun to make them fit paranoia, as usual.

Wouldnt be too hard enforcing it in the UK, I work for local Gov, they would employ a lot more 'jobsworths' to go out snoop and fine people, plus maybe a reward for nosey neighbours to make a phone call about their next door neighbour growing 'illegal' substances...."Pssssst wanna buy some runner beans"

[bagatell]

I work for local Gov

So will you take the food from my mouth? What about your colleagues?

[john connor]

So will you take the food from my mouth? What about your colleagues?

Er no ...is the short answer to that...for 1) I'm in a different Dept and we try and help people not enforce petty laws, but I do see the type of jobsworth that would do that kind of job...and for 2) My wife is American, we are moving back to the States in 5 months time, she has grown sons their and wants us all to be together when the SHTF. I have a stepson who is a sargent in the US Marines - special forces, he's getting out soon, he doesnt like what is happening..and no he couldnt enlarge on that statement online to his mom...I asked him if he would teach me to shoot when we move back..Hell Yeah was his reply...any other Q's?......as for my colleagues..in my dept a lot know what is really going on now.

[twistedconcept]

Come on, think about it - how exactly do you think they'd even try to enforce this? You really think everyone who grows their own veg in the back garden is going to get arrested?

It might sound bad but I think the pure facts have, yet again, been spun to make them fit paranoia, as usual.

Have you read Agenda 21?

[gilly]

Come on, think about it - how exactly do you think they'd even try to enforce this? You really think everyone who grows their own veg in the back garden is going to get arrested?It might sound bad but I think the pure facts have, yet again, been spun to make them fit paranoia, as usual.

Fined initialy (as pointed out in the OP).

I can't believe people can be surprised by this horror, when there have been Youtube presentations by Ian R Crane & Rima Laibow (& others) re Codex Alimentarius, warning us about this for ages!

No offence intended, but your incredulity is exactly the same as that of (what most condescendingly refer to as ) sheeple. People can't believe the enormity of the evil intent here, and that's why they don't believe the "conspiracy theorys". We doubt that others can be so utterly devoid of humanity.

But codex documents are available, and they have a written statement on that there will be an anticipated THREE BILLION DEATHS in the 1st (can't remember whether it's 2 or 4) years from the restriction of vitamin supplements alone (vitamin rich biscuits previously supplied to starving nations in emergencies will be banned) - that doesn't include those deaths caused by the reintroduction of 9 previously banned lethal pesticides, irradiation of all fruit & veg, & whatever problems GM shit creates.

It will be illegal to grow fruit / veg & herbs, because they want t o control every single thing we put in our mouths.

Do not doubt it.

[bagatell]

People can't believe the enormity of the evil intent here, and that's why they don't believe the "conspiracy theorys".

Do not doubt it.

Be very sceptical, but most certainly do not doubt it.

[mightiswrong]

It will be illegal to grow fruit / veg & herbs, because they want t o control every single thing we put in our mouths.

Nonsense. What will happen is this:

We will set up eco communities of kin's domains and live in an abundant future (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56358). Of that I am convinced.

[pacoquerak]

Nonsense. What will happen is this:

We will set up eco communities of kin's domains and live in an abundant future (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56358). Of that I am convinced.

I agree

secret farm is my plan

[i_am]

Be very sceptical, but most certainly do not doubt it.

Codex Alimentarius first came into being in 1962. It is now close to being fully implimented.

I don't see how they can stop people growing their own but where are you going to get your seeds? From Monsanto?

There are already a number of countries where it is illegal to save seeds. They must be purchased through Monsanto.

I am with gilly. It is mind blowing the lack of knowledge about this.

[gilly]

Nonsense. What will happen is this:

We will set up eco communities of kin's domains and live in an abundant future (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56358). Of that I am convinced.

You can state that it's nonsense that they'll succeed and I for one applaud your conviction & hope you're right.

You can not state that it's nonsense that that is their plan, because it's all been laid out what their intentions are.

[naturalcanvas]

plus maybe a reward for nosey neighbours to make a phone call about their next door neighbour growing 'illegal' substances...."Pssssst wanna buy some runner beans"

EAR.... got any beans?? hahahahaa i spat out some tea then :D

[mightiswrong]

You can state that it's nonsense that they'll succeed and I for one applaud your conviction & hope you're right.

You can not state that it's nonsense that that is their plan, because it's all been laid out what their intentions are.

I am not concerned with their plan. I am concerned about my own and your own and our own plans.

There are already a number of countries where it is illegal to save seeds.

A decree is not a law. It can be ignored. It can be changed and certainly must be. The true law says that what we dream, will be, don't you see?

[john connor]

EAR.... got any beans?? hahahahaa i spat out some tea then :D

Glad it ammused you :D My dealers got some really good Tomatoes at the mo BTW....I know its a serious subject...and I don't doubt the PTB are trying to push it through..call it British dark humour..self defence mechanism

[gilly]

I am not concerned with their plan. I am concerned about my own and your own and our own plans.



A decree is not a law. It can be changed. It can be ignored and certainly must be. The true law says that what we dream, will be, don't you see?

Yes, positivity - creating reality.

I'm all for it. :)

[alzee]

Codex Alimentarius first came into being in 1962. It is now close to being fully implimented.

I don't see how they can stop people growing their own but where are you going to get your seeds? From Monsanto?

There are already a number of countries where it is illegal to save seeds. They must be purchased through Monsanto.

I am with gilly. It is mind blowing the lack of knowledge about this.

Which countries would these be? Do you have any links/sources to support this?

I ask because I've been reading about the Iraq situation just recently, and it transpires that the Iraqi farmers are NOT banned from keeping or storing seeds. According to the new laws they're banned only from storing/saving seeds from NEW plants registered with their gov't, i.e. new GM plants manufactured by Monsanto and their ilk. So the Iraqi farmers can continue to use existing seed types without problem.... or so I gather.

[i_am]

Well Iraq was one of them and I only the other day threw out the magazine containing the article.

I know this is wiki but I have posted a similar article before ...somewhere

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Monsanto_in_India

Farmers in India are finding that the "biotechnology revolution" is having a devastating effect on their crop lands and personal debt levels. "In 1998, the World Bank's structural adjustment policies forced India to open up its seed sector to global corporations like Cargill, Monsanto, and Syngenta. The global corporations changed the input economy overnight. Farm saved seeds were replaced by corporate seeds which needed fertilizers and pesticides and could not be saved" Says Vandana Shiva, leader of the movement to oust Monsanto from India in her 2004 article The Suicide Economy Of Corporate Globalisation. "As seed saving is prevented by patents as well as by the engineering of seeds with non-renewable traits, seed has to be bought for every planting season by poor peasants. A free resource available on farms became a commodity which farmers were forced to buy every year. This increases poverty and leads to indebtedness. As debts increase and become unpayable, farmers are compelled to sell kidneys or even commit suicide. More than 25,000 peasants in India have taken their lives since 1997 when the practice of seed saving was transformed under globalisation pressures and multinational seed corporations started to take control of the seed supply. Seed saving gives farmers life. Seed monopolies rob farmers of life" [2].

UPDATE: "Since 1997, 182,936 Indian farmers have taken their lives and the numbers continue

[morjo]

I remember when viewing the 'Estoric Agenda' and in it they talked about the 'agenda 21' which is pretty much what the OP is telling us about. The agenda 21 would be in place later this year and that it would leed to a mass wold wide starvation or mass murder through chemicals in the foods, their aim is to cut the world population to below 1 billion.
If food production became really controlled like what's discussed here then I can see a mass starvation happening.

It's sickening to think that they want to control food production and prevent people from growing their own fresh chemical free produce. Bloody bastards.

[bagatell]

I am not concerned with their plan. I am concerned about my own and your own and our own plans. The true law says that what we dream, will be, don't you see?

+1

[avaruus]

this is an idea. http://www.mulletpoetry.com/2006/03/09/underground-marijuana-growing-operation-uncovered/

yes well not growing weed but veggies.

[anthony65]

Just a reminder to some who have never scrolled down so far....

The survival forum has lots of good tips!

The gardening season is about to start in Europe and much of North America, so maybe we can share tips and ideas...

I'm looking forward to lots of time in the garden this year, with my hand crafted copper tools that I ordered yesterday.... :D

Expensive, but apparently iron tools are bad and copper tools are good...

** something to do with the mini iron particles rusting and harming the bacteria in the soil, while copper makes the bacteria all happy and bubbly...

Sumfin' like that! :o

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=46

[motleyhoo]

I see a lot of really flipant attitudes here, like "They can't stop me. I'll grow whatever I want in my secret garden". Ley me just say that here in the US we have an agency that is funded $10 billion/yr just to stamp out 1 plant. If they want to stop yiu from gardening they can. Who will do it? With an unemployment rate well over 10% they'll just hire new "govt workers" and indoctrinate them into their new "Food Safety Program".

And this isn't just about people growing their own food. Millions of small-scale farmers depend on it for the livelihood of themselves and their families. Still more people would like to have the choice of what food to buy and where to buy it.

Some very powerful people/corporations are working overtime to monopolize their part of the food industry. They're quite busy greasiing the palms of politicians, and spending millions of dollars on public relations and marketing. It is tough to believe that this could really happen or that there could actually be people this evil in the world, but it is a fact. Do not take this lightly.

When the Patriot Act was first passed over here I told a lot of people what would happen and how the govt would abuse it and us by spying on its own people and worse. These people thought I was just being a loony paranoid, and now we see what actually happened. This food safety bill is no different. It's the very nature of govts to work this way. Leave a door cracked and they will go thru it. Give them an inch, they will take a mile.

[supertzar]

Come on, think about it - how exactly do you think they'd even try to enforce this? You really think everyone who grows their own veg in the back garden is going to get arrested?

It might sound bad but I think the pure facts have, yet again, been spun to make them fit paranoia, as usual.

It only takes one person to be arrested for scores of others to be dissuaded. That's how they do it - with fear.

[anthony65]

Welcome to the world of Codex Alimentarius

I just saw this link on educate-yourself...

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/codexalimentarius15jan09.shtml

[particlezen]

It will be illegal to grow fruit / veg & herbs, because they want t o control every single thing we put in our mouths.

Do not doubt it.

it's illegal to have a basement cannabis farm, yet tons of people do...

[supertzar]

it's illegal to have a basement cannabis farm, yet tons of people do...

At great risk to their personal freedom.

[gilly]

it's illegal to have a basement cannabis farm, yet tons of people do...

True enough, but that's your basement's not exposed.

[knightofthegrail]

The solution to this is very simple; and it doesnt even come from wading through congressional documents (I could not care less what is in them). If you live, and promote, a simple and honest life then you do not need to know what is in some 600 page monstrosity of a document....because you wont be tempted away from that life by sophistication (which includes these documents, which are so obviously an example of sophistication themselves).

Keep it simple, keep it honest, and contrivance and dishonesty stand out a mile rather than needing to be trawled through :)

The question is, how do we go to living a simple and honest life; where can we do it?

[hey_jude]

Fined initialy (as pointed out in the OP).

I can't believe people can be surprised by this horror, when there have been Youtube presentations by Ian R Crane & Rima Laibow (& others) re Codex Alimentarius, warning us about this for ages!



very accurate stuff gilly thanks but watch out for Rima!

Rima Laibow is controlled opposition! Her husband is the connection the information she gives is accurate but she is collecting names, addresses and signatures and telling everyone that she is doing this and doing that but in reality she's done nothing except she shows up at Anti-Codex Alimentarius Conventions and disrupts the whole process!

sorry ...I have new browser and can't post the links until I learn my way around!

Sound people on Codex are;
Ian R Crane
Dr Matthias Rath
Dr Robert Verkerk
Dr R Blaycock [forgot his first name]
National Health Federation [Paul Anthony Taylor]

[gilly]

very accurate stuff gilly thanks but watch out for Rima!

Rima Laibow is controlled opposition! Her husband is the connection the information she gives is accurate but she is collecting names, addresses and signatures and telling everyone that she is doing this and doing that but in reality she's done nothing except she shows up at Anti-Codex Alimentarius Conventions and disrupts the whole process!

sorry ...I have new browser and can't post the links until I learn my way around!

Sound people on Codex are;
Ian R Crane
Dr Matthias Rath
Dr Robert Verkerk
Dr R Blaycock [forgot his first name]
National Health Federation [Paul Anthony Taylor]



It's interesting because I've read about Rima & her partner - also Ian Crane said "don't trust her, it's not clear which side she's batting for". But yet, her presentation is very clear and informative.

If she's a bad un (which I expect she is) she's very, very convincing - I thought she seemed genuinly passionate about it, & was shocked to read the "controled oppo" articles.

[hey_jude]

yeah I know, I believe all the facts she presents are the truth but if she collects thousands of signatures and then does nothing with them? The people who are giving her their signatures as a petition and donating are wasting their time and money on her and it also depletes the resources for worthier folk

...in fact Rima was the first vid I saw - then I saw Dr Rath Health Foundation and I joined and that was when she turned up and ruined one of the meetings.

Dr Robert Verkerk went to the Codex Alimentarius meeting in Brussels and gained a significant victory there, as did Dr Rath before ...but Rima keeps on collecting names and money.

[hey_jude]

here's the link and Stubblebine is her husband or partner...

http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/THE_FOUNDATION/Events/codex-moderngeneral.html

[unusual_suspect]

Sorry if this is a bit off topic, but I have recently become interested in wild food, it was my birthday yesterday and my boyfriend got me a wild food guide which is really cool.

Many of the plants in it were commonly eaten by people years ago, and many of them are very common plants and I had no idea that they could be eaten.

I live in the UK, but the point I'm making is that there are plenty of species that grow abundantly that are perfectly good food, non GM and it is only a matter of re-educating ourselves about what wild foods we can eat.

[zero1]

If there were no food tomorrow, there are still a few ways for people to subsist. I know them, so do certain other ppl.

Animal blood is vile, but you can subsist on some types of it.

Fresh Seafood is abundant still, and with common decontaminants anyone living near the sea doesn't have to worry what's in the Supermarkets, really.

Just one example.

[gilly]

If there were no food tomorrow, there are still a few ways for people to subsist. I know them, so do certain other ppl.


Animal blood is vile, but you can subsist on some types of it.

Fresh Seafood is abundant still, and with common decontaminants anyone living near the sea doesn't have to worry what's in the Supermarkets, really.

Just one example.

Thsi is the most disturbing post I've read in a while Zero1.

[unusual_suspect]

Thsi is the most disturbing post I've read in a while Zero1. You're a vampire???

So if he catches AIDS from drinking blood, is that good AIDS or bad AIDS?

[zero1]

So if he catches AIDS from drinking blood, is that good AIDS or bad AIDS?

I'm immune, thankfully. :) There's a cure for that anyway, I have the patent number and a video on it.

[unusual_suspect]

I'm immune, thankfully. :) There's a cure for that anyway, I have the patent number and a video on it.

Hmm, well I'm going to stick to forraging for edible flora and fungi and leave the blood drinking to you thanks :p

[zero1]

Thsi is the most disturbing post I've read in a while Zero1.

No. :)

[zero1]

Hmm, well I'm going to stick to forraging for edible flora and fungi and leave the blood drinking to you thanks :p

Edible flora and fungi, yes. That, and seafood. It would be a good decision to learn to forage for oneself given what is to come. The Survival forum on here is very useful for tips in that respect.

[wabbitpoo]

Well, I have just read the entire bill and at worst it could be said to do is to fail to mention the individual grower, growing for their own use.

It does specifically state it is intended to cover establishments growing, slaughtering or processing for eventual retail sale. If you grow your own, and then sell it at a growers market, or on your doorstep, then yes, you'll have to comply. That doesnt seem too unreasonable (although it will stop those signs you see saying "fresh barn eggs for sale" etc.)

[unusual_suspect]

Edible flora and fungi, yes. That, and seafood. It would be a good decision to learn to forage for oneself given what is to come. The Survival forum on here is very useful for tips in that respect.

I don't live very close to the sea, quite near a few rivers though. Seriously though, in the spring and summer there is no need to buy salad stuff and veggies from the supermarket, there are many things to eat and I will be living in a forest with an abundance of these plants practically on my doorstep. Cheap, fresh, nourishing organic food! And there are wild boar, but I don't eat meat.

[motleyhoo]

Well, I have just read the entire bill and at worst it could be said to do is to fail to mention the individual grower, growing for their own use.

It does specifically state it is intended to cover establishments growing, slaughtering or processing for eventual retail sale. If you grow your own, and then sell it at a growers market, or on your doorstep, then yes, you'll have to comply. That doesnt seem too unreasonable (although it will stop those signs you see saying "fresh barn eggs for sale" etc.)

So you're saying that as a small-scale grower that depends on the organic market to make my living, I should have to give up my business unless I want to plant only govt regulated seeds, using govt regulated pesticides, herbicides, and fungicides, govt regulated chemical fertilizers, and govt regulated sterilization methods, and that's not so bad? You're saying that denying farmers the right to sell healthy, organic products to their consumers is not so bad?

That not only sends a death blow down onto my business, but it completey removes freedom of choice from a marketplace that currently gives consumers a choice between organic food and industrialized food, not to mention how bad that would be for the environment. The people who will be making up the rules that I will have to adhere to are responsible for the very same farming practises that have sterilized and depleted the soils they're farming in, requiring them to dump millions of tons of synthetic fertilizers into the ground every year. They're the same people who are trying to push naturally evolved seeds out of the market in favor of sterile, non-breeding hybrid crops who have had their DNA tampered with in a laboratory.

There are new businesses forming here that specialize in wholesome, organic foods, and local farmers can sell their products there on consignment. It's one of the avenues for revenue that I was planning on using myself, not to mention that this is at the very heart of free enterprise. I guess we'll have to shut those down also. The larger chains like Whole Foods will have to close down or comply, and many stores that have remodelled in order to add space for organic produce will have wasted their money. And everyone who cannot grow a garden, such as urbanites and other people who do not have the space or ability, will be forced to eat GE frankenfood the rest of their lives because the govt has removed all of their other choices.

And that bill by the way is written in such a broad and ambiguous fashion that private backyard growers can fall under the auspices of the regulatons if the govt so deems, and we ALL know that if any bill leaves a crack in the door, someone in the govt will eventually go thru it. There is no evidence of that NOT happening.

[motleyhoo]

And let me add one more thing.

Even the non-organic farmers will be severely hurt by this bill, many put out of business. The reason being that there is no way they will be able to afford implementing the new regulations, even from the adminstrative and paperwork side of things. This is clearly a move by the finacially dominate corporate farming/food industry to grab more market share by running thousands, possibly millions of smaller famers out of business. It would basically be the end of small-scale farming in this country, which has already seen a huge decline over the years, for reasons too broad to discuss here.

[particlezen]

True enough, but that's your basement's not exposed.

the principle would be the same. use grow lights, etc. i can imagine how much will have to be invested in building bigger prisons for all the covert tomato growers. ;)

[patrish]

I bought a load of veggie seed and seed potatoes from these sites

http://www.alanromans.com/p-1768-nadine.aspx

http://www.realseeds.co.uk/

I have enough to last me and my friends and neighbours forever, all the seeds are non GM and you can harvest seed from your crop.

So I am hopeful of an abundant future

Also the potato guy e-mailed us that the shipment might be late as he had more orders than ever - perhaps many people are making their own decisions about the food they eat. A good sign.

Patrish x

[wabbitpoo]

So you're saying that as a small-scale grower that depends on the organic market to make my living, I should have to give up my business unless I want to plant only govt regulated seeds, using govt regulated pesticides, herbicides, and fungicides, govt regulated chemical fertilizers, and govt regulated sterilization methods, and that's not so bad? You're saying that denying farmers the right to sell healthy, organic products to their consumers is not so bad?

That not only sends a death blow down onto my business, but it completey removes freedom of choice from a marketplace that currently gives consumers a choice between organic food and industrialized food, not to mention how bad that would be for the environment. The people who will be making up the rules that I will have to adhere to are responsible for the very same farming practises that have sterilized and depleted the soils they're farming in, requiring them to dump millions of tons of synthetic fertilizers into the ground every year. They're the same people who are trying to push naturally evolved seeds out of the market in favor of sterile, non-breeding hybrid crops who have had their DNA tampered with in a laboratory.

There are new businesses forming here that specialize in wholesome, organic foods, and local farmers can sell their products there on consignment. It's one of the avenues for revenue that I was planning on using myself, not to mention that this is at the very heart of free enterprise. I guess we'll have to shut those down also. The larger chains like Whole Foods will have to close down or comply, and many stores that have remodelled in order to add space for organic produce will have wasted their money. And everyone who cannot grow a garden, such as urbanites and other people who do not have the space or ability, will be forced to eat GE frankenfood the rest of their lives because the govt has removed all of their other choices.

And that bill by the way is written in such a broad and ambiguous fashion that private backyard growers can fall under the auspices of the regulatons if the govt so deems, and we ALL know that if any bill leaves a crack in the door, someone in the govt will eventually go thru it. There is no evidence of that NOT happening.


Well, unless I missed that part (please point me at the bit) it "simply"says anyone selling the produce must abide by (admittedly government body-generated) a whole gamut of rules. You says its wrong. They'd say that overseeing potential harmful foodstuffs getting into the food chain is a good thing. Moot point. This argument started out looking at whether there is a threat to the home grower in their back yards. I just dont see it as that at all. As I said, point me at the bit that says it is - I've had a long day and probably missed it!

[lewi]

Demand for allotments in East Lancashire soars in credit crunch

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/issues/creditcrunch/4072112.Demand_for_allotments_in_East_Lancashire_s oars_in_credit_crunch/

HUNDREDS of people are waiting for allotments in Burnley, Pendle and Rossendale after councils received a surge in demand for plots.

Councils said they believe the credit crunch may be responsible for the increase in applications during the past 12 months.

Unreal !!

[ritchs]

And let me add one more thing.

Even the non-organic farmers will be severely hurt by this bill, many put out of business. The reason being that there is no way they will be able to afford implementing the new regulations, even from the adminstrative and paperwork side of things. This is clearly a move by the finacially dominate corporate farming/food industry to grab more market share by running thousands, possibly millions of smaller famers out of business. It would basically be the end of small-scale farming in this country, which has already seen a huge decline over the years, for reasons too broad to discuss here.

Your post reminded me of how the Big Boys of Petroleum drove out the little guys in the gasoline retail business. In the forties, fifties, sixties there was a boom of mom & pop gas stations catering to folks. They had so many franchises, Amoco, Sunoco, Esso,Mobil, Texaco, etc etc. Then came environmental laws especially the ones covering "Underground Storage Tanks" UST's. The little guy had little way of complying like the well heeled chains like Getty, BP. All the little guys floated belly up, with the regulations. Just another Big fish swallowing little fish story, using the system to create laws and regulations to put the small business under.

[ritchs]

Well, unless I missed that part (please point me at the bit) it "simply"says anyone selling the produce must abide by (admittedly government body-generated) a whole gamut of rules. You says its wrong. They'd say that overseeing potential harmful foodstuffs getting into the food chain is a good thing. Moot point. This argument started out looking at whether there is a threat to the home grower in their back yards. I just dont see it as that at all. As I said, point me at the bit that says it is - I've had a long day and probably missed it!


Check out my post

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=857490#post857490

On one of the the lines:

(14) FOOD PRODUCTION FACILITY- The term ‘food production facility’ means any farm, ranch, orchard, vineyard, aquaculture facility, or confined animal-feeding operation.

They don't define farm, do they? Is a farm including a garden on someones property?

Also look at the comments that were pasted there from a concerned citizen at another website, they really dug into things and raised many questions.

[thenymph]

I bought a load of veggie seed and seed potatoes from these sites

http://www.alanromans.com/p-1768-nadine.aspx

http://www.realseeds.co.uk/

I have enough to last me and my friends and neighbours forever, all the seeds are non GM and you can harvest seed from your crop.

So I am hopeful of an abundant future

Also the potato guy e-mailed us that the shipment might be late as he had more orders than ever - perhaps many people are making their own decisions about the food they eat. A good sign.

Patrish x

This is the way to go. Everyone should be buying heirloom, non-GM seeds. People who don't have gardens can get together with family / friends who do and contribute / work together to grow their food. It is essential to grasp how important this is to do right now.

[susano]

UPDATE: The Food blog that I linked to in the OP, Friend's Eat, got hacked after running this story. Their links aren't working as a result.

Now, back to DeLauro and Greenberg

By Andrew Zajac

Washington Bureau

4:44 PM CST, February 24, 2009

WASHINGTON— White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel's Washington lodging arrangements, a rent-free basement room in a Capitol Hill home owned by Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D-Conn) and her pollster husband, have inspired debate among tax experts and in Republican-leaning parts of the blogosphere.

One issue is whether Emanuel, who served in the House with DeLauro until early January, should have listed the room either as a gift or as income on his congressional financial disclosure forms. Emanuel's disclosure filings contain no mention of his use of the room.

A murkier question is whether Emanuel has a tax liability for the arrangement. The matter may have particular sensitivity in the early days of an Obama administration in which at least four picks for high posts have had confirmations delayed or derailed by tax irregularities.

A further complexity involves DeLauro's husband, Stan Greenberg, an old friend of Emanuel's whose firm had done polling work for an Emanuel campaign committee and for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, which Emanuel headed in 2005 and 2006.

Emanuel's rooming agreement with DeLauro and Greenberg is a twist on a familiar arrangement in the capital. Many lawmakers room together while in Washington, though in many cases they rent apartments and share costs.

Emanuel has stayed in the basement room of the home for free during House sessions for approximately five years, according to the Hartford Courant.

Neither Emanuel nor DeLauro could be reached for comment.

Emanuel's accommodations drew attention in early February when the gawker.com web site accused Emanuel of living in an illegal apartment in DeLauro's house.

DeLauro issued a statement batting down the story by asserting that "we have no separate apartment in our D.C. house, no rental apartment," and that bedrooms and living areas in the house "are often used by close family and friends."

Her statement also said the house had been inspected in November by Washington zoning officials pursuant to a complaint. The inspection was "uneventful and we did not hear again from the zoning office," she said.

Jan Baran, a Washington ethics lawyer who advises mostly Republicans, said Emanuel's use of the room from DeLauro and Greenberg does not violate House ethics rules since members clearly are allowed to give each other gifts of lodging.

Greenberg's co-ownership of the property doesn't affect DeLauro's ability to offer hospitality subject to House rules permitting the practice, Baran said. "It's indisputably her home," Baran said.

Tax experts are divided about whether Emanuel would have an IRS liability for the free room. The issue has aroused unusual online interest among tax experts, perhaps because arcane points of tax law rarely intersect with mainstream political events, said Paul Caron, an associate dean at the University of Cincinnati Law School and author of the TaxProf blog.

Caron said Greenberg's polling work for Emanuel and the DCCC muddies the argument that the room is a gift and thus either tax exempt or subject only to limited taxation.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-emanuel_feb24,0,6696332.story

[ritchs]

This is the way to go. Everyone should be buying heirloom, non-GM seeds. People who don't have gardens can get together with family / friends who do and contribute / work together to grow their food. It is essential to grasp how important this is to do right now.

That's all I'm buying and planting now, 'heirloom seeds'. No hybrids at all, just save seed for next crop. Be sure to plant plenty of fruit trees, low maintenance, high energy sugar content. Different fruits to harvest at different times. Do not put off getting starting if you have land or access to land. It takes a while to develop gardening savvy and to get the soil into a fertile and workable shape. Learn composting right away for getting the best 'black gold' stuff to grow in. One of the best (imo) gardeniing books ever for urban or rural folks is Mel Bartholemews "Square Foot Gardening"

[soglad]

Hi guys, sorry to rain on the parade if this has not been asked yet, but can someone show me the part in the bill that tells us all of what you are saying?

It seems like a load of hot air on the government's part and this forums part. There's no way in hell they can make nature stop growing, and there's no way in hell they can turn the multi-multi million dollar industry of organic farming without a fight.....don't worry guys, it's all designed to make you shit your pants :)

[gilly]

Hi guys, sorry to rain on the parade if this has not been asked yet, but can someone show me the part in the bill that tells us all of what you are saying?

It seems like a load of hot air on the government's part and this forums part. There's no way in hell they can make nature stop growing, and there's no way in hell they can turn the multi-multi million dollar industry of organic farming without a fight.....don't worry guys, it's all designed to make you shit your pants :)

Why don't you google it?

[wabbitpoo]

That's all I'm buying and planting now, 'heirloom seeds'. No hybrids at all, just save seed for next crop. Be sure to plant plenty of fruit trees, low maintenance, high energy sugar content. Different fruits to harvest at different times. Do not put off getting starting if you have land or access to land. It takes a while to develop gardening savvy and to get the soil into a fertile and workable shape. Learn composting right away for getting the best 'black gold' stuff to grow in. One of the best (imo) gardeniing books ever for urban or rural folks is Mel Bartholemews "Square Foot Gardening"


There's also a "cube foot gardening", too. Dont forget to grow up as well as along!

[wabbitpoo]

Hi guys, sorry to rain on the parade if this has not been asked yet, but can someone show me the part in the bill that tells us all of what you are saying?

It seems like a load of hot air on the government's part and this forums part. There's no way in hell they can make nature stop growing, and there's no way in hell they can turn the multi-multi million dollar industry of organic farming without a fight.....don't worry guys, it's all designed to make you shit your pants :)


I say again - its aimed at people who sell their produce. I do agree there might be some ambiguity, as I am not a lawyer or politician.

Anyway, I still dont see the large number of people who already grow fruit and veg will succumb, even if ts the law. I really do foresee mass protests like we had for the poll tax under Thatcher. I really do. People are willing to be pushed so far, but there somes a point.....

Unenforcable.

[debs67gb]

I agree wabbit - I remember the poll tax protests well - as you say people will only take so much but unfortunately these days too many people are glued to the couch and cant be arsed to get up and do a damned thing about anything (including their kids) -which is quite sad to me - but there will come a point when they realise oh shit the shit is hitting the fan (I hope!)

[motleyhoo]

I agree wabbit - I remember the poll tax protests well - as you say people will only take so much but unfortunately these days too many people are glued to the couch and cant be arsed to get up and do a damned thing about anything (including their kids) -which is quite sad to me - but there will come a point when they realise oh shit the shit is hitting the fan (I hope!)

The problem is folks have lost their connections to the Earth and to their heritage with respect to food. Everything is mass produced, packaged up nicely, and just waiting for them on a strore shelf. Then they sit in front of a TV that bombards them with messages that processed food is quick and nutricious. My parents had a nice garden, and my Dad used to have a friendly competition with the neighbor as to who could get the first tomato, the biggest tomato, the most green beans, etc.

Today's kids have lost out on that. Many have no clue where their food even comes from. That means the knowledge is not getting passed down, which means they will have no idea what this kind of dangerous legislation means. So they'll sit there in front of their TVs like zombies, swigging down their chemical sodas and chomping on synthetic crap while their liberties are slowly stripped from them. Most people don't even know what freedom means anymore. New definitions are dictated to them everyday by their so-called "leaders".

[susano]

If you can, PLEASE a comment of thanks at the food blog that got hacked for running this story. They have fixed their site, now, and you don't have to register to leave a comment. We need to show support for everyone who speaks out against these bastards.


http://blog.friendseat.com/rosa-delauro-hates-small-farms1/

[misterethoughts]

This is scary. What can one do?

[microverses]

unless in extreme conditions, there is always sustenance to be had. You just have to realize that everything we need is found all around us.

any government that would act out to prevent it's own people from growing their own food for personal consumption or local trade - especially when shifts in climate are wreaking havok on available supplies - is a monster and enemy of the public as well as freedom. *waves to monitoring agency*

it's very sad to see the planet being steered in this direction, it truly is a worldwide fool-proof cage.

i wonder though....is there any other path we would have taken? really? it seems inevitable that any habited planet with a growing population making advancements in technology would eventually come to the point where the planet would have to unite - in order to move forward. we clearly see that left to our own devices we are evil beings, dangerous and greedy. for an entire genetic being to continue down the path of life, at some point you must unite and stop the senseless fighting.

it sounds great and all, but the problem with all of this is us. man. selfish, greedy man. you see them everywhere, even the good guys get busted out. realize the only thing you can count on in the end is you. where that takes any of us is an unknown, but we do have nice pictures of a more defined humanity in our heads of what it should look like.

wow, sorry for the ramble.

[susano]

This is scary. What can one do?

Start by ignoring that poster who posted after you, talking about how evil everyone is!. Not by a long shot is everyone evil and greedy. Next, put in a garden and defy anyone who would conspire to deprive of your unalienable rights. If you can, volunteer for a farmer to run their roadside food stand, a few hours a week. Support anyone and everyone who knows that small is beautiful, and that means LOCAL control and decisions in all things. Internationalism/globalism/neo colonialism is the enemy and these laws their corporate insturments are their weapons.

[microverses]

that's right, keep your eyes closed.

[tyler]

This is scary. What can one do?

You must tell everyone you know!!!

Put it in your Facebook profile. Add the links to all your emails. Write to your Congressman.

There are lots of things you can do!

[gorana]

You remember the saying of that polish priest (i forgot his name):
"... and they came for comunists and i did not react, because i was not one of them ..."

About few years ago they did the same in Bolivia, they brought water industries and forbid people to get water in other ways, beside the one which was delivered through water pipes. The people in Bolivia went to streets and fought their right to take water as they want, because water should not belong to anyone.

And what are you doing? Talking to your House representative? OMG, you are so going to win ... p.s. That guy is into shit up to his neck, it's a corporations shit that we are talking about.

Mh...

G.

[pacoquerak]

http://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/food/foodsafety/background-on-h-r-875

very good info here, they say a lot of the stuff that people are talking about are not in HR875, but other bills that are coming up as well

And just as importantly, here are a few things that H.R. 875 does NOT do:

- It does not cover foods regulated by the USDA (beef, pork, poultry, lamb, catfish.)
- It does not establish a mandatory animal identification system.
- It does not regulate backyard gardens.
- It does not regulate seed.
- It does not call for new regulations for farmers markets or direct marketing arrangements.
- It does not apply to food that does not enter interstate commerce (food that is sold across state lines).
- It does not mandate any specific type of traceability for FDA-regulated foods (the bill does instruct a new food safety agency to improve traceability of foods, but specifically says that recordkeeping can be done electronically or on paper.)

Several of the things not found in the DeLauro can be found in other bills – like H.R. 814, the Tracing and Recalling Agricultural Contamination Everywhere Act, which calls for a mandatory animal identification system, or H.R. 759, the Food And Drug Administration Globalization Act, which overhauls the entire structure of FDA. H.R. 759 is more likely to move through Congress than H.R. 875. And H.R. 759 contains several provisions that could cause problems for small farms and food processors:

[cruise4]

"we clearly see that left to our own devices we are evil beings, dangerous and greedy."

No 'we' don't. We see manipulated people doing manipulated things. And greed is one of them. It's not intrinsic, it's not nature and it's NOT staying.

"at some point you must unite and stop the senseless fighting."

The senseless fighting can pretty well be laid at the feet of those intending to 'unite' us in their corporate fascist world.

And with people like you cheering on their fraudulent agenda I can see how it was so easy to get this far.

May I suggest you research the meaning of Problem Reaction Solution, Social engineering, programming, linguistic origin, the banking system, manipulated wars, vaccines, fluoride, the dumbed down education system and a 1001 other relevant subjects.

[microverses]

Of course we're not evil and greedy. Lord knows if we were the world would be in serious trouble...oh wait.

No...these guys are just good guys being manipulated, they are not bad...oh wait...because their vanity and greed allows them to be manipulated. Or plain naive?

But all of these manipulated people are just that - innocent good willed people that have just become 'caught up' in nefarious plans of someone elses' making, yes?

I feel so bad for Madoff now. So bad for Adolf. So bad for W. Oh Jesus come help us!! The innocent are being deceived by the devil into evil ways of life!! Hep us!! Hep us please!! What? You say you cannot use these names as examples? They are not human?

Obviously you see the plan as a choice made, I see it as inevitable. Step back from the structure, viewing the arc of time which within you will find our signature. You tell me, is there any other path we would have taken to reach this point? We can all fantasize yes there is another path would would have taken. I doubt that though - we're all too easily fooled and deceived. It's part of being human.

Now what happens on the other side of the 'change' or 'revolution'? I don't know - but that's where we can all agree on a common defined picture of what 'humanity' should represent. No OPEC's, no Wall Street's, ect...a REAL free market system not bound by the gaggles of greed.

Sounds great, a real return to being my brothers keeper and everyone being involved with each other. Humanity defined. We're awfully far down the rabbit hole to pull out now, eh? We may be able to stop this and that from happening, if it is deemed as required by your local reps (you voted them in, not happy - run for office yourself then) then the projects will just be broken up and renamed with some changes made.

I'm willing to bet that we've been here and there before. Just ask the people living in our hollow earth, bet they'd have a say about it all.

So while the author is concerned with the government trying to starve us, I'm laughing. Sustenance is all around you, barring extreme condition and locales. Isn't that part of waking up, people? Realizing that the only solutions aren't the ones provided by the master? Instead realizing that you are the master of YOUR destiny?

Jesus H. Fucking Christ, you'd think I was in here spouting nonsense like the sun is inhabited by intelligent life. I believe we are being steered into a NWO, we are already slaves today. I think stopping these bills are in the best interest of the people at large.

Hey - if man were so good, then there would have been no reason for Christ to come die. I'm wake, but question to what extent others are.

It's like saying Elvis was a one of a kind. Here's a news flash - if it wasn't Elvis, it would have been someone else, maybe not at that same time, or with the same songs - but there would have been another to emerge filling the role.

If it isn't the NWO, it will be something else, in a different series of events in a different time, unfolding over time and with a different outcome maybe, but the role will still be fulfilled.

If this concept is missed by everyone here, that's fine. Just remember when you start drawing the lines from this to that....it does not stop. You will be the one that stops making the connections, because they continue on.

Of course I'm the asshole, the incorrect moron. Carry on.

[kurupted_flesh]

Might do you yanks a bitta' good.

[debs67gb]

blimey kurupted lol *tuts*

[kurupted_flesh]

blimey kurupted lol *tuts*

Not you though if you look anything like what I'd hope the lady in your avatar looks like (from the front). In that case your fine.

[olas]

chooses.

[debs67gb]

Not you though if you look anything like what I'd hope the lady in your avatar looks like (from the front). In that case your fine.

lmao i have blonde hair i have tatts but not there