So many trails in the sky today...

[whiteshadow]

Today there are so many trails in the sky over my town (in Suffolk England)
The sky is full of them, all in different stages of fanning out to form the hazy milkiness.

I have a problem in that I am starting to try and debunk the concept of chemtrails, thinking that there must be some other explanation, like a particular set of atmospheric conditions affecting the normal vapour trails on all planes in the area on particular days.

I am struggling to get my head around it to be honest. I think I just need to keep an open mind and keep watching.
What would help is if I saw 2 planes flying at the same time relatively closely / same altitude, one with a normal contrail and one with a chemtrail.

It just blew my mind today to see so many at the same time.

[oddblock]

Yep, noticed the exact same thing this morning a on my train ride this morning. Mad cross-stitching all over SW London :confused:

[anthony65]

Today there are so many trails in the sky over my town (in Suffolk England)
The sky is full of them, all in different stages of fanning out to form the hazy milkiness.

I have a problem in that I am starting to try and debunk the concept of chemtrails, thinking that there must be some other explanation, like a particular set of atmospheric conditions affecting the normal vapour trails on all planes in the area on particular days.

I am struggling to get my head around it to be honest. I think I just need to keep an open mind and keep watching.
What would help is if I saw 2 planes flying at the same time relatively closely / same altitude, one with a normal contrail and one with a chemtrail.

It just blew my mind today to see so many at the same time.

Keep looking and you will see just that.

They sometimes fly up each other's arse with different trails...

[truthseeker1980]

The same in NW London today too, clouds have now covered them but they are up there above.

They started spraying last night, almost a full moon so i noticed a cross pattern going right over the moon.

One thing i have to ask the deniers and paid agents on here, why do CHEMTRAILS show up at night and CONTRAILS dont?

If these were the bonafide CONTRAILS we wouldn't be able to see them at night.

[anthony65]

The same in NW London today too, clouds have now covered them but they are up there above.

They started spraying last night, almost a full moon so i noticed a cross pattern going right over the moon.

One thing i have to ask the deniers and paid agents on here, why do CHEMTRAILS show up at night and CONTRAILS dont?

If these were the bonafide CONTRAILS we wouldn't be able to see them at night.

Aluminium particles?

[john connor]

Today there are so many trails in the sky over my town (in Suffolk England)
The sky is full of them, all in different stages of fanning out to form the hazy milkiness.

I have a problem in that I am starting to try and debunk the concept of chemtrails, thinking that there must be some other explanation, like a particular set of atmospheric conditions affecting the normal vapour trails on all planes in the area on particular days.

I am struggling to get my head around it to be honest. I think I just need to keep an open mind and keep watching.
What would help is if I saw 2 planes flying at the same time relatively closely / same altitude, one with a normal contrail and one with a chemtrail.

It just blew my mind today to see so many at the same time.

Anthony65 is right you will them fly together, its hard to accept the reality and magnitude of what they are doing at first but you will realise soon enough its very real...also once you have seen the Orb's that appear around chemtrails you will know

[anthony65]

Anthony65 is right you will them fly together, its hard to accept the reality and magnitude of what they are doing at first but you will realise soon enough its very real...also once you have seen the Orb's that appear around chemtrails you will know

And if you're very lucky, you will see a beautiful sky like the one above me today!

Blue skies, fluffy white clouds and zero trails sticking! :)

[fuzzylogic]

One thing i have to ask the deniers and paid agents on here, why do CHEMTRAILS show up at night and CONTRAILS dont?

If these were the bonafide CONTRAILS we wouldn't be able to see them at night.
I could do with a bonus so I'll take it.

Light.

That's probably only worth a quid :(

Are you trying to say that if a plane crossed the moon (in relation to your position) that you wouldn't see its contrail?

And when the moon isn't so bright, do you believe there to be no contrails/chemtrails in the sky because you can't see them?

[john connor]

I could do with a bonus so I'll take it.

Light.

That's probably only worth a quid :(

Are you trying to say that if a plane crossed the moon (in relation to your position) that you wouldn't see its contrail?

And when the moon isn't so bright, do you believe there to be no contrails/chemtrails in the sky because you can't see them?

Ammuse me then, just what are the Orb's that fly around these trails? some gimmick from Richard Branson to keep the kiddies ammused?

[fuzzylogic]

The don't let me have access to that classified information.

In seriousness, I don't have any answers for orbs.

I do think time of day is important. I would guess that orbs are mainly seen at dawn/dusk.

I'm not sure about their relation to chemtrails either. As in, you have an interest in chemtrails so watch chemtrailled sky. How much time do you spend watching non-chemtrailed sky? I would guess you watch chemtrailled sky much more than non-chemtrailled sky, so therefore you are more likely to see things in the sky along with chemtrails.

If that makes sense. Probably not.

[john connor]

The don't let me have access to that classified information.

In seriousness, I don't have any answers for orbs.

I do think time of day is important. I would guess that orbs are mainly seen at dawn/dusk.

I'm not sure about their relation to chemtrails either. As in, you have an interest in chemtrails so watch chemtrailled sky. How much time do you spend watching non-chemtrailed sky? I would guess you watch chemtrailled sky much more than non-chemtrailled sky, so therefore you are more likely to see things in the sky along with chemtrails.

If that makes sense. Probably not.

I have seen them all hours of day time...and so have others on more than one occassion, these things look metallic and are solid....funny they only seem to appear around the persistant "contrails"

[john connor]

Oh and by the way...we are getting sprayed again pretty heavily here in the East Midlands today...yet some planes leave nothing...same conditions

[anthony65]

The don't let me have access to that classified information.

In seriousness, I don't have any answers for orbs.

I do think time of day is important. I would guess that orbs are mainly seen at dawn/dusk.

I'm not sure about their relation to chemtrails either. As in, you have an interest in chemtrails so watch chemtrailled sky. How much time do you spend watching non-chemtrailed sky? I would guess you watch chemtrailled sky much more than non-chemtrailled sky, so therefore you are more likely to see things in the sky along with chemtrails.

If that makes sense. Probably not.

I saw my one and only orb a few weeks ago during the day.

I watch the sky a lot.

Today, for example, is beautiful!

Blue skies and natural looking clouds.

Stunning! :)

No persistent trails at all.

But if I see what I refer to as HAARP clouds then I know that they are fucking with the sky to try to get the trails to stick.

What does a Haarp / fake cloud look like?

They look shitty! :mad:

Generally thinnish, off white, greyish, sometimes with a wavy pattern to them similar to the rippled look of wet sands.

Keep looking everyone!

For the good, the bad and the ugly!

[anthony65]

I have seen them all hours of day time...and so have others on more than one occassion, these things look metallic and are solid....funny they only seem to appear around the persistant "contrails"

There are so many YouTube videos that show this.

Search for chemtrails / orb / ufo then wade through the off topic rubbish and check out the videos. If I find a good 'un I'll post it...

[john connor]

I saw a good one from Dusseldorf last week, the guy was videoing chems when he caught one come out of a cloud...good quality video

[fuzzylogic]

I have seen them all hours of day time...and so have others on more than one occassion, these things look metallic and are solid....funny they only seem to appear around the persistant "contrails"
With how common persistent contrails are, is it really that funny?

What about this orb? Not a cloud in the sky -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ssoQTqqYc8

[truthseeker1980]

I could do with a bonus so I'll take it.

Light.

That's probably only worth a quid :(

Are you trying to say that if a plane crossed the moon (in relation to your position) that you wouldn't see its contrail?

And when the moon isn't so bright, do you believe there to be no contrails/chemtrails in the sky because you can't see them?

I am saying you cant see Contrails at night. No arguing as you never give any feasable answers to your comments, other than asking us to prove things.

Can you see your breath on a cold night when there is no light?

If as you say that CHEMTRAILS are CONTRAILS, then surely can you explain how condensation now suddenly can create a cloud and stay in the sky for hours?

Thought you had left us.

[anthony65]

With how common persistent contrails are, is it really that funny?

What about this orb? Not a cloud in the sky -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ssoQTqqYc8

I was about to give up on that, but at about 32 seconds i finally saw the orb.

Full credit to the cameraman for not swearing as the orb came in and out of focus.

Yes, this looked like an orb and yes it was brilliant blue sky.

Conclusion for this video...

There are "orbs" up in the sky that are seen without chemtrails.

Conclusion from many of the chemtrails videos...

Orbs are often seen when chemtrails are around.

One conclusion doesn't rule out the other.

Keep looking and listening....

[john connor]

With how common persistent contrails are, is it really that funny?

What about this orb? Not a cloud in the sky -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ssoQTqqYc8

I wouldnt dispute they are out at night also, as far as the other side of this debate goes Im afraid your not going to persuade many (if any) on these threads that Chems are not REAL, sitting looking out our office windows watching them now....meanwhile the sheeple below just walk around Ipods in ears..phones to their mouths never looking up...still one more person at work has woken up to whats going on...so never a lost cause

[fuzzylogic]

I am saying you cant see Contrails at night. No arguing as you never give any feasable answers to your comments, other than asking us to prove things.
You can't see chemtrails either.

Unless there is sufficient light.

So I would say that to see contrails at night there has to be sufficient light.

[fuzzylogic]

I wouldnt dispute they are out at night also, as far as the other side of this debate goes Im afraid your not going to persuade many (if any) on these threads that Chems are not REAL, sitting looking out our office windows watching them now....meanwhile the sheeple below just walk around Ipods in ears..phones to their mouths never looking up...still one more person at work has woken up to whats going on...so never a lost cause
I'm not interested in persuading anyone either way. I've made that clear on numerous occasions.

I just like debating what seems like odd logic. Such as your linking orbs with chemtrails.

[anthony65]

I'm not interested in persuading anyone either way. I've made that clear on numerous occasions.

I just like debating what seems like odd logic. Such as your linking orbs with chemtrails.

Do you accept the existence of "orbs"?

[truthseeker1980]

If as you say that CHEMTRAILS are CONTRAILS, then surely can you explain how condensation now suddenly can create a cloud and stay in the sky for hours?

Can you also explain to me why you get broken CHEMTRAILS? Or a gap between one part and the other, seen when the plane is actually spraying. The only way if as what you say they are PERSISTANT CONTRAILS, I.E. condensation that you could get a break is, if the engines stopped producing heat to cause condensation. So they well and truely cant be CONTRAILS can they.

Use your common sense!!!

[john connor]

I'm not interested in persuading anyone either way. I've made that clear on numerous occasions.

I just like debating what seems like odd logic. Such as your linking orbs with chemtrails.

Odd logic? well only as far as the only time I have seen Orbs and I have seen them on 8 separate occassions, has been when there was chemtrails....the reason I started to watch the sky in the first place was seeing black triangles..after seeing that it's obvious you would look up a lot more

[fuzzylogic]

Do you accept the existence of "orbs"?
Yes.

Do I think there's a rational explanation?

Yes.

Do I know the rational explanation?

No.

But if I was that bothered I'd get a pair of binoculars or a telescope or something. Not a digital zoom camera, anyway.

[realfake]

You can't see chemtrails either.

Unless there is sufficient light.

So I would say that to see contrails at night there has to be sufficient light.Light pollution will never let you down.

[fuzzylogic]

Light pollution will never let you down.
I don't think the light pollution is strong enough, nor the trails thick enough, to see them most of the time at night.

Night trails tend to rely on the light from the moon.

[realfake]

I don't think the light pollution is strong enough, nor the trails thick enough, to see them most of the time at night.

Night trails tend to rely on the light from the moon. True, i guess it's dependant on your location. A night sky on Teesside glows orange like no other.

[fuzzylogic]

When it's cloudy.

[astrochicken]

And if you're very lucky, you will see a beautiful sky like the one above me today!

Blue skies, fluffy white clouds and zero trails sticking! :)


Me too.. Northern Germany.. big fluffy real candyfloss clouds you'd want to lie down in.. or as john prine put it

Somebody said they saw me
Swinging the world by the tail
Bouncing over a white cloud.
Killing the Blues

[realfake]

When it's cloudy.Which are nothing more than a mass of reflective ice crystals. Just like your contrails.

[mila]

I'm in Amsterdam, it has been very sunny all day and the sky is
full of chemtrails over here. (they're still busy) It hasn't been this bad in a long time.
I also have a terrible headache. I should keep a record of that.

[fuzzylogic]

Which are nothing more than a mass of reflective ice crystals. Just like your contrails.
But they are thicker and lower.

[john connor]

I'm in Amsterdam, it has been very sunny all day and the sky is
full of chemtrails over here. (they're still busy) It hasn't been this bad in a long time.
I also have a terrible headache. I should keep a record of that.

A friend of mine was in Amsterdam 2 months ago..he took pics which were horrendous

[anthony65]

Me too.. Northern Germany.. big fluffy real candyfloss clouds you'd want to lie down in.. or as john prine put it

Somebody said they saw me
Swinging the world by the tail
Bouncing over a white cloud.
Killing the Blues

Southern Germany here!

Oh yes those beautiful clouds and deep blue sky!

It's soooooo uplifting! :)

[anthony65]

I'm in Amsterdam, it has been very sunny all day and the sky is
full of chemtrails over here. (they're still busy) It hasn't been this bad in a long time.
I also have a terrible headache. I should keep a record of that.

I had my first ever migraine recently.

I put it down to the HAARP / EMF pollution.

This thread referred to Sweden, but Holland has it's own HAARP type system called LOFAR... :(

In France they call their's Nostradamus! :eek:

There's a link between these and the chemtrails....

I hope you get well soon! :)

[mila]

A friend of mine was in Amsterdam 2 months ago..he took pics which were horrendous

So it's not only me who noticed...
Does anyone know of -direct- consequences on your well-being?
I'm very sensitive, maybe not the right person to be objective, but getting a headache/cold/feeling depressed or anything after a day of spraying?

[mila]

I had my first ever migraine recently.

I put it down to the HAARP / EMF pollution.

This thread referred to Sweden, but Holland has it's own HAARP type system called LOFAR... :(

In France they call their's Nostradamus! :eek:

There's a link between these and the chemtrails....

I hope you get well soon! :)

Thank you anthony65! Hope the migraine never returns, I know how bad they are...

LOFAR? Never heared of that before....no surprise, anyway.
I have a headache every day (it's hard being so sensitive in this kind
of world) but today it's even worse now they're SO busy UP there.
How can we escape this?

[anthony65]

So it's not only me who noticed...
Does anyone know of -direct- consequences on your well-being?
I'm very sensitive, maybe not the right person to be objective, but getting a headache/cold/feeling depressed or anything after a day of spraying?

That's the thing Mila. We're all different. Some people are going to be hit harder than others.

Recently I posted a story about doctors in Germany warning of the many illnesses that they link to digital television (more EMF shit in the air).

EMF can be used as a weapon, to change moods, etc.

In germany they actually used it to make people happy at a couple of events (including New Year's eve in berlin).

If they can make us happy they can make us sad or aggressive or depressed.

I have no time today, but maybe I can find some more info...

[naturalcanvas]

I'm not sure about their relation to chemtrails either. As in, you have an interest in chemtrails so watch chemtrailled sky. How much time do you spend watching non-chemtrailed sky? I would guess you watch chemtrailled sky much more than non-chemtrailled sky, so therefore you are more likely to see things in the sky along with chemtrails.

If that makes sense. Probably not.

I watch the sky every single day.I work outside so i depend on the weather as i am self employed. I look ''up'' a hell of alot during the day, everyday.
There can be 3-4 days with no trails at all. Does this mean there is no plane flights on those days?? Heathrow/gatwick/stanstead etc dont operate on them days?? mmmmm.... must be poor business!
On chem days there can be 10 or more lines sometimes in grids and some times just side by side. I even saw 2 planes chemming at the same time, at the same altitude side by side with a contrail plane further behind not spuwing out the same stuff. And why is it always over the sun?? Never else where in the sky??
Last night i also witnessed the chems covering the moon ( south west ), actually made a box around it. I took photos at different times to see the changes, but my camera is not capable of picking up such detail very well.
I am not sure what it is either.But it does look suss! I just keep watching and i hope for everyones sake it comes to nothing. I hope were wrong.

[john connor]

So it's not only me who noticed...
Does anyone know of -direct- consequences on your well-being?
I'm very sensitive, maybe not the right person to be objective, but getting a headache/cold/feeling depressed or anything after a day of spraying?

If I still have the photo I will post it on here later.

I feel tired a lot...had a persistant cough for 3 months..just getting better now..My wife has migraines when there is heavy spraying

[mila]

If I still have the photo I will post it on here later.

I feel tired a lot...had a persistant cough for 3 months..just getting better now..My wife has migraines when there is heavy spraying

Well, like anthony65 said, everyone reacts differently, many people in the city here are also coughing a lot, I mean some -extra bad coughing- not what you 'normally' would have in wintertime (being healthy would be normal) And others never have anything.

The kids (4 yr old) in my class (I'm a teacher) cough like old seals, for almost three months as well (so sad!) Feeling tired.......well, it's hard to stay positive sometimes, but I always try. It's what keeps me
sane.

[fuzzylogic]

There can be 3-4 days with no trails at all. Does this mean there is no plane flights on those days?? Heathrow/gatwick/stanstead etc dont operate on them days?? mmmmm.... must be poor business!

On chem days there can be 10 or more lines sometimes in grids and some times just side by side. I even saw 2 planes chemming at the same time, at the same altitude side by side with a contrail plane further behind not spuwing out the same stuff. And why is it always over the sun?? Never else where in the sky??
Being the skeptic I would say that on days where the atmospheric conditions support persistent contrails then persistent contrails are abundant.

When the atmospheric conditions don't support persistent contrails then there are no persistent contrails.

Grids and lines are easily explained by the wind. I cannot believe that grids and lines are still seen as sinister in some respects.

Always over the sun is not something I have observed, and I'm sure there's others here that believe in chemtrails that wouldn't support your notion there. Not that anyone will actually bother.

[truthseeker1980]

Being the skeptic I would say that on days where the atmospheric conditions support persistent contrails then persistent contrails are abundant.

When the atmospheric conditions don't support persistent contrails then there are no persistent contrails.

Grids and lines are easily explained by the wind. I cannot believe that grids and lines are still seen as sinister in some respects.

Always over the sun is not something I have observed, and I'm sure there's others here that believe in chemtrails that wouldn't support your notion there. Not that anyone will actually bother.

Why cant you answer my questions?

So how come on pesistant days, some planes leave REAL CONTRAILS and most leave CHEMTRAILS? Don't answer different altitudes as that doesn't prove anything, as most the times i have seen this it's the plane that is much higher which is leaving the real contrail only a few feet behind the plane and disipating within minutes. Whilst the lower planes leave massive Chemtrails.

How can you get a break in the "PERSISTANT CONTRAILS" as you call them? The only way you would be able to get a gap, if as what you say they are CONTRAILS, is if the engines are turned off and also stop producing heat to create the condensation. Which is not possible, unless the plane is falling out of the sky.

How come condesation has suddenly broken the laws of chemistry and creates massive 2-3+ mile long trails which stay in the sky for hours?

Come on we are all waiting.:cool:

[fuzzylogic]

Tell me how you measure the altitude of planes first?

[realfake]

On chem days there can be 10 or more lines sometimes in grids and some times just side by side. I even saw 2 planes chemming at the same time, at the same altitude side by side with a contrail plane further behind not spuwing out the same stuff. And why is it always over the sun?? Never else where in the sky??
Last night i also witnessed the chems covering the moon ( south west ), actually made a box around it. I took photos at different times to see the changes, but my camera is not capable of picking up such detail very well.
I am not sure what it is either.But it does look suss! I just keep watching and i hope for everyones sake it comes to nothing. I hope were wrong. They deploy the exact same tactics here mate.

[truthseeker1980]

Tell me how you measure the altitude of planes first?

Well there is a thing called perspective, have you ever heard of it?

You know when something further away is a lot smaller.

Also layers of Chemtrails between myself and the one that is higher.

[naturalcanvas]

Being the skeptic I would say that on days where the atmospheric conditions support persistent contrails then persistent contrails are abundant.

When the atmospheric conditions don't support persistent contrails then there are no persistent contrails.

HAHAHAHAHA !
I rely on the weather and temperature. I have a barometer onboard.
Come stay with me for a week. Im serious.
Ive witnessed contrails and chemtrails in the same frame. Contrails being higher altitude.

[anthony65]

Being the skeptic I would say that on days where the atmospheric conditions support persistent contrails then persistent contrails are abundant.

When the atmospheric conditions don't support persistent contrails then there are no persistent contrails.

Grids and lines are easily explained by the wind. I cannot believe that grids and lines are still seen as sinister in some respects.

Always over the sun is not something I have observed, and I'm sure there's others here that believe in chemtrails that wouldn't support your notion there. Not that anyone will actually bother.

Do you believe that there is manipulation of the weather?

Have you read the US air force paper "Owning the Weather by 2025"?

Let me rephrase your quote from above:

Scenario 1: On days where the atmospheric conditions have been modified by the HAARP network then chemtrails are more likely to stick and spread in the sky.

Scenario 2: When the atmospheric conditions don't support persistent contrails: when the HAARP network is either not intended to modify them or has been weakened by orgonite then there are fewer chemtrails that stick.

When scenario 1 kicks in, then you are likely to see a lot more non-commercial flights. How do we know that they are non-commercial? Because they fly in formations that no commercial pilot would dream of. In pairs, up each other's arse, or as shown by someone the other day, several planes in parallel. I once saw 6 or 7 planes fly over the same spot. The spot happened to be a hill with 3 great big TV masts on it.

Watch for the building of HAARPed clouds over the big TV masts, weatherballs, etc.

[anthony65]

HAHAHAHAHA !
I rely on the weather and temperature. I have a barometer onboard.
Come stay with me for a week. Im serious.
Ive witnessed contrails and chemtrails in the same frame. Contrails being higher altitude.

You've made some excellent points mate! :)

Cheers!

[naturalcanvas]

Its so oblivious to those that pay attention to the planes. :D

I agree, how can 6- 10 planes fly over the same path?? and sometimes move at sharp angles?? Those passengers must be terrified!!! ;)

As for Wind, what wind?? No wind on the chemdays ive seen.

[anthony65]

Its so oblivious to those that pay attention to the planes. :D

I agree, how can 6- 10 planes fly over the same path?? and sometimes move at sharp angles?? Those passengers must be terrified!!! ;)

As for Wind, what wind?? No wind on the chemdays ive seen.

I actually witnessed the multi-planes incident when one of my neighbours was also present. The planes were coming in from all directions, which included 90 degree turns so that they could fly one after the other through the same trail (over the same 3 big ugly TV masts)

We then had a fruitful conversation about chemtrails and orgonite, which doesn't happen very often, but this person happened to be very involved with esoteric stuff... and had an open mind... which isn't always the case.

I mentioned the word "chemtrails" to a man I knew who offered shamanic training to people. He had spoken before of seeing elemental spirits of all descriptions, yet his response to the possibility that chemtrails exist...?

He laughed hysterically...

The word Chemtrails often seems to trigger very powerful reactions in people.

To quote Denis Kucinich once more...

"Chemtrails are real"...

[whiteshadow]

After seeing the sky full of trails yesterday and starting to doubt the theory (brain trying to rationalise it as normal flights and atmospheric conditions).....later in the afternoon I saw 2 planes with normal contrails, which dissipated after only a few seconds. This was while there were the remnants of chemtrails already in the sky from earlier planes.
I am more convinced now.

Just got to try and avoid crashing my car cos I'm looking in the sky so much.

[naturalcanvas]

I actually witnessed the multi-planes incident when one of my neighbours was also present. The planes were coming in from all directions, which included 90 degree turns so that they could fly one after the other through the same trail (over the same 3 big ugly TV masts)

We then had a fruitful conversation about chemtrails and orgonite, which doesn't happen very often, but this person happened to be very involved with esoteric stuff... and had an open mind... which isn't always the case.

I mentioned the word "chemtrails" to a man I knew who offered shamanic training to people. He had spoken before of seeing elemental spirits of all descriptions, yet his response to the possibility that chemtrails exist...?

He laughed hysterically...

The word Chemtrails often seems to trigger very powerful reactions in people.

To quote Denis Kucinich once more...

"Chemtrails are real"...


I give up telling people now. When people see me staring at the sky and they ask ''what you looking at'' I just say ''the planes''.
Leave it at that. At least one of us has been keeping an eye.
As for organite- ive yet to buy a chunk, where is a good place to buy some??
Ah, also, try keeping a diary. Its good to see a pattern forming over the weeks/months.

[anthony65]

So it's not only me who noticed...
Does anyone know of -direct- consequences on your well-being?
I'm very sensitive, maybe not the right person to be objective, but getting a headache/cold/feeling depressed or anything after a day of spraying?

Hi Mila,

Here are some Dutch links for you!

This is a harmonic protector. They're pretty and are supposed to protect you against EMF. I have showed mine to several people who are energy sensitive and they were all impressed by the energy.

http://www.orgonite.eu/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=7

http://www.orgonite.eu/

http://orgonite-amsterdam.blogspot.com/

[anthony65]

After seeing the sky full of trails yesterday and starting to doubt the theory (brain trying to rationalise it as normal flights and atmospheric conditions).....later in the afternoon I saw 2 planes with normal contrails, which dissipated after only a few seconds. This was while there were the remnants of chemtrails already in the sky from earlier planes.
I am more convinced now.

Just got to try and avoid crashing my car cos I'm looking in the sky so much.

Just got to try and avoid crashing my car cos I'm looking in the sky so much

:D

[whiteshadow]

try keeping a diary. Its good to see a pattern forming over the weeks/months.

yeah, been thinking of doing that.
maybe we can start to put together the bigger picture after a while by combining the data.

[anthony65]

I give up telling people now. When people see me staring at the sky and they ask ''what you looking at'' I just say ''the planes''.
Leave it at that. At least one of us has been keeping an eye.
As for organite- ive yet to buy a chunk, where is a good place to buy some??
Ah, also, try keeping a diary. Its good to see a pattern forming over the weeks/months.

As for organite- ive yet to buy a chunk, where is a good place to buy some??

Depends where you are...

Here is an international list of vendors...

http://www.whale.to/b/orgonite_v.html

plus this one...

http://www.orgonised-germany.de/ (in German, but the pictures tell you all you need to know! Especially the expeditions... http://www.orgonised-germany.de/expeditionen.html

and if you're making your own....

http://www.whale.to/b/orgonite.html

[naturalcanvas]

I live in Oxfordshire (south west) .

Excellent links thanks!!

[anthony65]

I give up telling people now. When people see me staring at the sky and they ask ''what you looking at'' I just say ''the planes''.
Leave it at that. At least one of us has been keeping an eye.
As for organite- ive yet to buy a chunk, where is a good place to buy some??
Ah, also, try keeping a diary. Its good to see a pattern forming over the weeks/months.

It's funny how people are somehow programmed to view looking up as unusual when they ignore so much of what goes on around them....

I always used to look up at the sky... pretty clouds, sunsets, etc.

But I didn't see the chemtrails until I read about them and then.... :eek:

Wtf! I didn't see that.... :eek:

So I started to work on making the skies blue again and the clouds fluffy and white... :)

I'm painting the white skies blue,
I'm painting the white skies blue.
The bad guys want to see them white,
But I prefer them blue!

:D

[naturalcanvas]

yeah, been thinking of doing that.
maybe we can start to put together the bigger picture after a while by combining the data.

That is a great idea! In 6 months we could see the bigger picture. I really want to get a telescope ( or maybe a periscope :D)

[anthony65]

I live in Oxfordshire (south west) .

Excellent links thanks!!

I'd say start with the little stuff first...

So-called TBs and HHGs (plus earthpipes)...

You can think about building / buying a CB later...

All of these terms are explained on whale.to, but orgonite is simply an excellent, and lasting way of getting crystals and stones to work harder to clear up negative energy....

Have fun!

And get your walking boots out! ;)

[thetruthseeker]

Today there are so many trails in the sky over my town (in Suffolk England)
The sky is full of them, all in different stages of fanning out to form the hazy milkiness.

I have a problem in that I am starting to try and debunk the concept of chemtrails, thinking that there must be some other explanation, like a particular set of atmospheric conditions affecting the normal vapour trails on all planes in the area on particular days.

I am struggling to get my head around it to be honest. I think I just need to keep an open mind and keep watching.
What would help is if I saw 2 planes flying at the same time relatively closely / same altitude, one with a normal contrail and one with a chemtrail.

It just blew my mind today to see so many at the same time.

It is happening in Manchester too, loads of them and another thing they are doing it more often now, that is nearly every day in the last week. Is there anyway at all we can get this stopped or have some investigation into what they are doing it for and if the pilots really know what they are doing. This never used to happen behind planes like this so they can't tell us it is a natural contrail because it isn't and never was. IN parts of America where it is widespread they very rarely have blue sky's, it is constant cloud cover with no natural sunlight coming through, the problem with this is it deny's us the most natural from of vitamin D from the sun which builds our immune system and fights off infection. The evil bastards know this and I suspect that is why they are doing it amongst all the pollutants that are in the trails, it is a multi faceted attack on our health and it is about time our MP's started acting on our behalf and not powerful corporations that fund the system to launch an investigation into it.

[anthony65]

It is happening in Manchester too, loads of them and another thing they are doing it more often now, that is nearly every day in the last week. Is there anyway at all we can get this stopped or have some investigation into what they are doing it for and if the pilots really know what they are doing. This never used to happen behind planes like this so they can't tell us it is a natural contrail because it isn't and never was.

I don't think there's much hope of changing things through the system.

The link below is in German, but I've posted it to show that there are people around the world who have been researching and challenging chemtrails for several years now.

What is especially interesting about the German site is that the man was long-term Greenpeace member and very respected in his part of Germany, up in Niedersachsen, Lower Saxony.

When he found out about Chemtrails and HAARP he wanted to discuss these topics at a Greenpeace meeting. He was told that he shouldn't. he insisted, so they said okay, but only to a restricted audience including some greenpeace "observers". Soon after he was expelled from Greenpeace and forbidden from attending any Greenpeace groups in Germany.

He also contacted the media (he had been on local TV during his Greenpeace days). He got initial positive responses from several big news programs in Germany, but every time the planned interview was stopped. He was told by one of the TV people that they had never experienced this before. This reminds me of the David Bellamy story yesterday, where in a TV interview in Ireland recently he said that he (and others) was sacked from the BBC in 1996 because he refused to lie about global warming. ** but clearly the BBC found replacements who were prepared to sell their souls to further their careers.

Our German friend below did manage to get one interview aired on local TV, but he continued researching and campaigning. The DVD I saw was filmed at an event in Switzerland before an audience of 6 to 700 people, quite a lot of them were little old ladies! Bless 'em!

I read a comment recently from someone who overheard an old womand in Switzerland point to the sky and remark "They're spraying a lot today!".

Anyway, the official route is blocaked by censorship at every stage.

Remember the Denis Kucinich Space Preservation Act that he presented to Congress? http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50412

Here is the german site for reference. He's been quiet for a while, but he must be in his late 60's I reckon. An ageing hippy who never compromised his values for a career in politics!

Bless him and all the other wonderful people around the world who stay true to their humanity and decency! :)

http://www.chemtrail.de/

[fuzzylogic]

Well there is a thing called perspective, have you ever heard of it?

You know when something further away is a lot smaller.

Also layers of Chemtrails between myself and the one that is higher.
Yes, I am aware of perspective.

Unfortunately I am also aware that it doesn't work very well in the sky.

Some reading, if you're interested http://www.geocities.com/midimagic@sbcglobal.net/ufopercp.htm#faults and http://www.geocities.com/midimagic@sbcglobal.net/ufopercp.htm

[naturalcanvas]

Few! Thanks for that. we can rest easy now guys!

[fuzzylogic]

Its so oblivious to those that pay attention to the planes. :D

I agree, how can 6- 10 planes fly over the same path?? and sometimes move at sharp angles?? Those passengers must be terrified!!! ;)

As for Wind, what wind?? No wind on the chemdays ive seen.
10 out of 10 for the typo :cool: Awesome!

You seem to be another person that assumes the conditions you are witnessing at around 6 feet are the same as at 30,000 feet.

Just cos it ain't windy down here don't mean it ain't windy up there.
I rely on the weather and temperature. I have a barometer onboard.
Come stay with me for a week. Im serious.
Ive witnessed contrails and chemtrails in the same frame. Contrails being higher altitude.
Is it possible to explain how you use the weather, temperature and a barometer to measure the height of contrails?

[naturalcanvas]

I would also like to add that i live in close proximity to, R.A.F Brize Norton ( the largest air base of the R.A.F, HQ for flight training and home of the Red Arrows display team.) R.A.F Benson and Oxford Aviation Academy. Ive lived round here all my life. And literally lived right next to the Brize Norton runway for years back in the 90's. Also Fairford Air show ( the largest of its kind in the WORLD) every year is held in Gloucestershire, The flight path for demonstrations and training use none other than, R.A.F.BRIZE NORTON! My dad was in the R.A.F also. I think i can give fairly good judgment on what planes look like in the sky.

[fuzzylogic]

A fantastic pedigree.

But it only makes the wind comment even more puzzling.

[anthony65]

10 out of 10 for the typo :cool: Awesome!

You seem to be another person that assumes the conditions you are witnessing at around 6 feet are the same as at 30,000 feet.

Just cos it ain't windy down here don't mean it ain't windy up there.

Is it possible to explain how you use the weather, temperature and a barometer to measure the height of contrails?

What was the wind / chemtrails connection? I can't find the original discussion.

** Last night was a full moon and it was quite bizarre (natural phenomenon, but bizarre).

There were low smallish clouds scuttling in one direction, and higher clouds heading in the opposite direction, which made it look as if the moon was moving across the sky. Kinda neat.... The moon (virtually a full moon) was shining through the upper clouds as if they weren't there. they were pretty thin I suppose.

There was a halo round the moon, not as thick as I've seen during heavy chemtrailing, but rather pretty.

I wrote yesterday that we had beautiful weather here: But later in the afternoon the sky showed signs of being Haarped and some trails started to stick off to the west of us, but not in the skies above us or to the east. The trails in the west spread and drifted over to us. even these trails weren't especially long. The planes left no trails, then suddenly they were leaving thicker trails and just as suddenly.... Nothing....

Another day in a chemtrailed / haarped up world...

But there were a few hours of beautiful skies! :)

[naturalcanvas]

If its sooooo windy up there why do they linger for hours in the same area?? Please.... i dont want chemtrails to be true.

[anthony65]

A fantastic pedigree.

But it only makes the wind comment even more puzzling.

Please explain your wind Fuzzy! :p

[john connor]

The bastards are at it again, every f***** day this week now.....pure coincidence?...didnt go out the house at the weekend..started to feel better...now spend half the night coughing up again and no doubt will do tonight as well...deniers couldnt give a toss about your 'logic'....my eyes and body are good enough for me...5 out of 6 days now:mad:

[anthony65]

If its sooooo windy up there why do they linger for hours in the same area?? Please.... i dont want chemtrails to be true.

Some days they linger, some days they drift...

It depends on the wind...

Was that it.... :confused:

The great wind debate? :eek:

[anthony65]

The bastards are at it again, every f***** day this week now.....pure coincidence?...didnt go out the house at the weekend..started to feel better...now spend half the night coughing up again and no doubt will do tonight either...deniers couldnt give a toss about your 'logic'....my eyes and body are good enough for me...5 out of 6 days now:mad:

No coincidence I think.

2009 is a big year for the bad guys...

[fuzzylogic]

Please explain your wind Fuzzy! :p
As for Wind, what wind?? No wind on the chemdays ive seen.
I was commenting on that comment.

I'm not sure where it came out of, either.

[fuzzylogic]

If its sooooo windy up there why do they linger for hours in the same area?? Please.... i dont want chemtrails to be true.
Yeah, look at all the stationary chemtrails...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SXh4mnEbqk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHDL2suOo-o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT-gFE4vAmM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhuStvp9mvk

[anthony65]

Yeah, look at all the stationary chemtrails...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SXh4mnEbqk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHDL2suOo-o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT-gFE4vAmM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhuStvp9mvk

That proves nothing Fuzzy! :mad:

:p

It depends on the day and the errrr.... wind... :o

I've seen them hang up there for ages or scuttle across the skies....

Have you read "Come Back with the Wind" by Les Dawson?

I wouldn't.

It isn't very funny... :(

[john connor]

No coincidence I think.

2009 is a big year for the bad guys...

The coincidence I meant was staying at home and not out and about - and I felt better...not coughing so much.

I think your right, this year will be a big year in many ways

[naturalcanvas]

where exactly did i say they are stationary?? :confused: Of course they drift, chems linger around for much longer thats all... the issue here is why do CONtrails disappear in a few seconds when a lower plane can spew out thick vapour that hangs around for hours then GRADUALLY disappear?
If it is so windy then it would not stay around, we would probably not see it at all.

[anthony65]

The coincidence I meant was staying at home and not out and about - and I felt better...not coughing so much.

I think your right, this year will be a big year in many ways

let's hope they end up disappointed! ;)

[john connor]

I met my wife for lunch, she spoke to a friend back in SF this morning, the friends mother has got Morgellons

[fuzzylogic]

where exactly did i say they are stationary?? :confused:
OK, you said linger and I interpretted that as stationary. I apologise for that.

Maybe we could talk about how fast things very far away appear to move slower than things closer instead.

Personally I'm still stuck on the higher/lower thing because I don't believe that people can judge these ditances with any significant accuracy to confirm that what you are saying you saw is what you saw.

[john connor]

Weve just watched one of them switch on off on off...very 'normal' contrail that NOT

[naturalcanvas]

I see what your getting at. Have you seen 2 or 3 chemmy type planes side by side then a contrail plane next to them?? I have, and the contrail plane is smaller, you can just SEE its further away. Also, as i have seen so many fighter/demo planes in my life, it sure as hell aint the same planes, they travel much faster and you can hear them. So that rules out those!
I just want to no what the hell they are!!!

[anthony65]

I met my wife for lunch, she spoke to a friend back in SF this morning, the friends mother has got Morgellons

SF as in San Francisco?

Morgellons....

I have to read up on that again...

Horrible stuff...

And mainstream medicine calls it made up...

[fuzzylogic]

I see what your getting at. Have you seen 2 or 3 chemmy type planes side by side then a contrail plane next to them?? I have, and the contrail plane is smaller, you can just SEE its further away. Also, as i have seen so many fighter/demo planes in my life, it sure as hell aint the same planes, they travel much faster and you can hear them. So that rules out those!
I just want to no what the hell they are!!!
I just get commercial planes flying over me.

They don't fly that close together for me to make those kind of assessments.

The contrailing plane could be smaller than the chemtrailing planes, giving the impression that it is further away.

[john connor]

SF as in San Francisco?

Morgellons....

I have to read up on that again...

Horrible stuff...

And mainstream medicine calls it made up...

yes San Fran..where my wife is from...her friend pulled a long black 'wire' from her moms arm last night...her Dr is sending her to see a shrink...

Its a truely horrible disease....one scientist cross checked fibres from a sufferer with over 100,000 fibre samples and NO MATCH...I went to Joni Mitchell's web site last night just to confirm what I had read, she has Morgellons too

[anthony65]

yes San Fran..where my wife is from...her friend pulled a long black 'wire' from her moms arm last night...her Dr is sending her to see a shrink...

Its a truely horrible disease....one scientist cross checked fibres from a sufferer with over 100,000 fibre samples and NO MATCH...I went to Joni Mitchell's web site last night just to confirm what I had read, she has Morgellons too

So if someone has weird fibres under their skin they send them to a shrink... :mad:

Oh those scumbags... :mad:

here is recent thread on the subject of morgellons...

I'm not sure how much information there is there...

Let's start searching for treatments!

here's a start...

http://www.morgellons-disease.info/Morgellons-Treatment/index.html

Cutting out / down on sugar seems to be recommended

Len Horowitz and some good links...

http://www.tetrahedron.org/

http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/articles.html

http://www.tetrahedron.org/links.html

On educate yourself from ken Adachi, the terminator (based on the zapper by Hulda Clark)

http://educate-yourself.org/dc/terminatorinfo12apr02.shtml

[truthseeker1980]

OK, you said linger and I interpretted that as stationary. I apologise for that.

Maybe we could talk about how fast things very far away appear to move slower than things closer instead.

Personally I'm still stuck on the higher/lower thing because I don't believe that people can judge these ditances with any significant accuracy to confirm that what you are saying you saw is what you saw.

Excuse my French, but that's besides the FUCKING POINT, what the fuck has the height of the plane leaving the contrail got to do with it?

If there are layers of chemtrails infront (below) of the one leaving a contrail, then the one leaving a contrail has to be higher. Or cant you work that one out, i suppose you do have fuzzy logic so it may seem hard for you.

You paid agents really are running out of counter arguments, you ignore the real questions and come back with that kind of bollocks.

If one plane is leaving a contrail and the rest are chemtrails, how can that not be enough to make you think something aint right? Oh yeah you are probably mr marine pattern camoflage under a new name. Coz he was discredited in this section of the forum.

NO-ONE LISTEN to the one with FUZZY LOGIC he knows nothing and is here to disrupt. I asked some quite interesting questions and all they can do is argue about what height one plane was at.

You avoid the fact that if as you say these are contrails, condensation can now stay in the sky for hours, if that was the case on really cold days I.E. minus 25C, in somehwere like Russia, you would get trails from cars and even your own mouth wouldn't you?

You have sold your soul to them if you are paid agent, do some research save yourself. IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!

[truthseeker1980]

Weve just watched one of them switch on off on off...very 'normal' contrail that NOT

EXACTLY another question FUZZY seems to avoid. The only way that could happen if it was a real contrial is if the engine was switched off and somehow managed to cool down enough not to create condensation.

But no the height of the plane is more important and throws us off topic.

Just ignore any of their posts, dont entertain them with an answer.:p

[john connor]

So if someone has weird fibres under their skin they send them to a shrink... :mad:

Oh those scumbags... :mad:

here is recent thread on the subject of morgellons...

I'm not sure how much information there is there...

Let's start searching for treatments!

here's a start...

http://www.morgellons-disease.info/Morgellons-Treatment/index.html

Cutting out / down on sugar seems to be recommended

Len Horowitz and some good links...

http://www.tetrahedron.org/

http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/articles.html

http://www.tetrahedron.org/links.html

On educate yourself from ken Adachi, the terminator (based on the zapper by Hulda Clark)

http://educate-yourself.org/dc/terminatorinfo12apr02.shtml

They send them to Shrinks because most of the medical profession will not recognise the disease and so say people are imaging the symptoms

http://www.morgellons.eu/

http://www.cherokeechas.com/about.htm

[fuzzylogic]

You avoid the fact that if as you say these are contrails, condensation can now stay in the sky for hours, if that was the case on really cold days I.E. minus 25C, in somehwere like Russia, you would get trails from cars and even your own mouth wouldn't you?
So, by your own definition, clouds are chemtrails because they stay in the air for hours.

Please note that persistent contrails rely on air humidity as well as temperature..

And maybe this video is what you're after -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=DE&hl=de&v=UtISR1_OzSQ&feature=related

I got that video from here that has some more information about it all in -> http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/tech_ops/read.main/247283/

You can search chemtrails there too and see what pilots think.

[anthony65]

EXACTLY another question FUZZY seems to avoid. The only way that could happen if it was a real contrial is if the engine was switched off and somehow managed to cool down enough not to create condensation.

But no the height of the plane is more important and throws us off topic.

Just ignore any of their posts, dont entertain them with an answer.:p

Could this be due to someone using the lavatory and when they flush it cools down the engines temporarily... :rolleyes:

[truthseeker1980]

So, by your own definition, clouds are chemtrails because they stay in the air for hours.

Please note that persistent contrails rely on air humidity as well as temperature..

And maybe this video is what you're after -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=DE&hl=de&v=UtISR1_OzSQ&feature=related

I got that video from here that has some more information about it all in -> http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/tech_ops/read.main/247283/

You can search chemtrails there too and see what pilots think.

AGAIN avoiding the main question. Grow up and develop a brain.

[fuzzylogic]

AGAIN avoiding the main question. Grow up and develop a brain.
Lol. Not half as bad as you ignoring my answers.

You don't half go on about the stuff I don't post, but you don't seem to comment much on the stuff I do post.

[truthseeker1980]

Could this be due to someone using the lavatory and when they flush it cools down the engines temporarily... :rolleyes:

That's right, oh yeah how could i not realise, must have been the height it was at also. As for some reason that makes some planes leave REAL bonafide CONTRAILS and some CHEMTRAILS. :eek:

[anthony65]

That's right, oh yeah how could i not realise, must have been the height it was at also. As for some reason that makes some planes leave REAL bonafide CONTRAILS and some CHEMTRAILS. :eek:

I think they only let you use the loo at certain altitudes... :rolleyes:

Case closed I'd say... :p

[truthseeker1980]

Lol. Not half as bad as you ignoring my answers.

You don't half go on about the stuff I don't post, but you don't seem to comment much on the stuff I do post.

It's all been answered in the first few CHEMTRAIL threads inthe forum two years ago, go look.

[naturalcanvas]

I just get commercial planes flying over me.

They don't fly that close together for me to make those kind of assessments.

So how can you comment if you havent seen any with your own eyes??

Nuff said.

[fuzzylogic]

It's all been answered in the first few CHEMTRAIL threads inthe forum two years ago, go look.
You could at least comment on the persistent contrail in that video.

That can't sit very comfortably.

You demanded it should happen. I've shown it does happen.

[fuzzylogic]

So how can you comment if you havent seen any with your own eyes??

Nuff said.
I can only comment on how our eyes play tricks on us, which is all I've done.

[anthony65]

So how can you comment if you havent seen any with your own eyes??

Nuff said.

Fuzzy isn't looking hard enough...

Seriously, Fuzzy.

You will see them if you watch the skies...

[naturalcanvas]

I can only comment on how our eyes play tricks on us, which is all I've done.

AHHH classic re-framing you into NLP ?? :eek::eek::eek:

[naturalcanvas]

I can only comment on how our eyes play tricks on us, which is all I've done.

Your a Common Purpose Graduate arn't you!! hahahhaa

[fuzzylogic]

Sticks and stones.... :)

[realfake]

If its sooooo windy up there why do they linger for hours in the same area?? Please.... i dont want chemtrails to be true. The stratosphere (the layer of the atmosphere most of these planes occupy) is dynamically stable unlike the layer (the troposhere) which we inhabit. The winds up there ain't necessarily stronger, just more constant/stable.

The troposhere is heated from the ground up. Therefore the higher you go the colder it becomes. Whereas the stratopshere is heated from above by the sun. So temperature increases as altitude increases. This temperature inversion is just one reason why you can't use ground level conditions to judge what is going on upstairs.

Differences of temperature also cause differences in pressure and it is these differences that determine wind conditions.

Also, low level clouds appear below 6,500ft and high level ones can be in excess of 20,000 ft. The higher the clouds/trails, the slower they will appear to move across the sky.

Imagine two cars goind round a long bend, travelling at the same speed. The car on the inside lane would appear to be moving faster than the car going round the outside, because the further out you go, the more distance there is to travel.

A plane flying just over your house rooftop would whizz right over your head. Whereas one at 30,000ft would be visible for far longer and appear to be moving much, much slower. Same goes for the clouds/trails.

[naturalcanvas]

Nice one. Now that is a decent answer! Thank you :D. So how would this explain grids of trails like a chequer board? I want to believe there is nothing going on :rolleyes:
Also the trails mainly seem to be around the sun ( where i am anyway ), is there a reasonable explanation for this too?
You no some good stuff thanks. :D

[supertzar]

The stratosphere (the layer of the atmosphere most of these planes occupy) is dynamically stable unlike the layer (the troposhere) which we inhabit. The winds up there ain't necessarily stronger, just more constant/stable.

The troposhere is heated from the ground up. Therefore the higher you go the colder it becomes. Whereas the stratopshere is heated from above by the sun. So temperature increases as altitude increases. This temperature inversion is just one reason why you can't use ground level conditions to judge what is going on upstairs.

Differences of temperature also cause differences in pressure and it is these differences that determine wind conditions.

Also, low level clouds appear below 6,500ft and high level ones can be in excess of 20,000 ft. The higher the clouds/trails, the slower they will appear to move across the sky.

Imagine two cars goind round a long bend, travelling at the same speed. The car on the inside lane would appear to be moving faster than the car going round the outside, because the further out you go, the more distance there is to travel.

A plane flying just over your house rooftop would whizz right over your head. Whereas one at 30,000ft would be visible for far longer and appear to be moving much, much slower. Same goes for the clouds/trails.

The bolded part has nothing to do with the length of time that contrails/chemtrails persist. The same doesn't go for clouds/trails.

[naturalcanvas]

Sticks and stones.... :)

Sorry...:D im liking this debate.

[realfake]

The bolded part has nothing to do with the length of time that contrails/chemtrails persist. The same doesn't go for clouds/trails. I take it this is your goon half talking? :D

[supertzar]

Are you serious? You think that the higher a contrail/chemtrail is, the longer it appears to last because of perspective?

[realfake]

Nice one. Now that is a decent answer! Thank you :D. So how would this explain grids of trails like a chequer board? I want to believe there is nothing going on :rolleyes:
Also the trails mainly seem to be around the sun ( where i am anyway ), is there a reasonable explanation for this too?
You no some good stuff thanks. :D I could give you my opinion, but that's all it would be. Only you can find a definitive answer.

If they were nothing more than vapour trails, then you would never have thought anything of it. Trust your instincts, pick up the ball and run with it ;)

[realfake]

Are you serious? You think that the higher a contrail/chemtrail is, the longer it appears to last because of perspective? Nope, it would appear that you have got the wrong end of the stick. We were talking about the speed at which they appear to move across the sky. Nothing more.

[supertzar]

Sorry, I took you words at face value. I'll be sure to read into them better to intuit your intended meaning next time.

Whereas one at 30,000ft would be visible for far longer...the same goes for clouds/contrails.

[john connor]

Im seriously wheezing like hell again now cos like a pratt I have spent the last hour hanging out my attic window taking pics of these bastards...and Marpat if your reading this im going to google fucking face masks later I can promise you....nearly everyone at work has a persistant cough..4 days in a row the bastards have sprayed us..its getting more frequent and intense..i'll post some pics of the same ol same ol later...oh and Marpat..if your Mill..u couldnt flog me an AK AK could ya :D

[realfake]

yes San Fran..where my wife is from...her friend pulled a long black 'wire' from her moms arm last night...her Dr is sending her to see a shrink...

Its a truely horrible disease....one scientist cross checked fibres from a sufferer with over 100,000 fibre samples and NO MATCH...I went to Joni Mitchell's web site last night just to confirm what I had read, she has Morgellons too Are they sending her daughter to see a shrink too? Arrogant w*nkers.. as if you imagine pulling wires out of your anatomy!

[john connor]

Are they sending her daughter to see a shrink too? Arrogant w*nkers.. as if you imagine pulling wires out of your anatomy!

I asked my wife when I got home...the mom has refused to go...good for her..my wife sent her friend a link to a Morgellons site...there is a MD in SF who has set up a clinic for it as well...seems a good guy

[john connor]

think this pilot was pissed or a faulty drone

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/2619/p1010093.jpg

It had been a nice afternoon until they started..this was the result at 5.30..probably another night coughing and wheezing now

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3676/p1010098.jpg

I know nothing we havent seen before but its getting every bloody day now..the agenda speedeth up

[john connor]

Well thats a full house then..everyday this week they have sprayed....8.53 and the bloody sky is full of them...baaaa baaaaa the sheep dont even know or care

[antinwo]

I am sick to death of waking up to milky skies with trails all over the place:mad: I used to love blue sky. Pity that is a distant memory.

[john connor]

I tell ya I had a serious rant in the office this am...so many off sick...I said to co workers, think its coincidence...LOOK OUT THE WINDOW LOOK UP...when are people going to do somthing other than type

[naturalcanvas]

Cant see anything today, all grey and cloudy.
Maybe we should have a ''sticky'' whereby we use it only as a diary. In a few months we can gather some quite startling evidence! With pictures/vids where possible of course. What you all think??

[john connor]

Cant see anything today, all grey and cloudy.
Maybe we should have a ''sticky'' whereby we use it only as a diary. In a few months we can gather some quite startling evidence! With pictures/vids where possible of course. What you all think??

Its the same in the East Midlands now...but 1st thing there were lines everywhere...look for a break in the clouds later and then look up

[truthseeker1980]

Right last night i suddenly thought we may all be thinking it's the military, but what if it's Monsanto.

They make and design spary equipment for low height crop spraying, we may be looking for answers in the wrong place.

So i typed in Aeriel spraying equipment in google and WOW, it IS the military mainly they are even documenting it, the chemtrail deniers wont be able to deny these links, we may need a link to this for each time a new agent comes on here to start disrubting posts.

This is the reason Bee's are dying see pasted parts of article below, remember this is the stuff they are admitting:

1. Mission took place September 21 to October 2 2008
2. 3 aircraft and over 50 personnel deployed to Barksdale AFB
3. 800,000 acres of Louisiana were sprayed
4. Each aircraft had 6 flight crew, a pilot, co-pilot, navigator, flight engineer, and two enlisted personnel in the rear to operate the equipment
5. Flights were conducted at a height of 150 feet above the terrain during the two hours before sunset
6. This unit has been tasked for aerial spraying duties since 1992

Since 1992, about the time the increase in CHEMTRAILS started, to FUZZY or MARPAT, yes it says a height of 150 ft but that's what they are admitting, the fact is they have the equipment.

Maj. Karl Haagsma talked about the insecticide and its use.

Bees are sensitive to dibrom but are generally in their hive at the time spraying is conducted. A number of warnings are also issued through local media and directly to local beekeepers to allow them time to take precautions such as covering their hives.

Full link below:
http://northshorejournal.org/air-force-insect-control-to-save-lives

http://afreserve.com/images/pdfimages/missions-aerialSpray.jpg

http://www.afrc.af.mil/photos/index.asp?galleryID=335

Type in The Modular Aerial Spray Systems, as this is what the military are using and even admitting to it. I have never seen a mosquito in Jan, Feb, March in the UK, what about the US?

Again more 1992, when the increase started.
The unit relocated in 1992 from 907 AW Rickenbacker ANGB OH to 910AW at Youngstown Air Reserve Station, OH.

The mission of the 757th Airlift Squadron is to maintain a large-area fixed-wing aerial application capability to control disease vectors in combat areas and on DoD installations; to maintain a large-area application capability to control vegetation and pests of vegetation on DoD installations; and to provide aerial spray training.

The unit is also tasked with:

To serve as the DoD Training Center for the only EPA-approved Federal Aerial Application Pest Control Certification Course.
To conduct operational testing of new pesticides, equipment and techniques.
To provide consultation services concerning aerial applications to all DoD organizations for routine, emergency and contingency projects.
To maintain DoD's aerial dispersal literature repository and computer deposition modeling capability.
The 757th operates 8 C-130H2 aircraft, four of which are modified to accept the Modular Aerial Spray System. Each MASS has a capacity of 2,000 gallons; which can be delivered at a flow Rate of 232 Gallons per Minute, at an altitude of 100 Feet for a total spray-on time of 8 Minutes and 30 Seconds.

The MASS is thus used to secure an area for holding

I know it says spraying at 100ft, but that's what thy are admitting to doing, would explain why the bees are dying. Too much of a coincidence in my eyes with the 1992 date.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/usaf/757as.htm

[john connor]

Right last night i suddenly thought we may all be thinking it's the military, but what if it's Monsanto.

They make and design spary equipment for low height crop spraying, we may be looking for answers in the wrong place.

So i typed in Aeriel spraying equipment in google and WOW, it IS the military mainly they are even documenting it, the chemtrail deniers wont be able to deny these links, we may need a link to this for each time a new agent comes on here to start disrubting posts.

This is the reason Bee's are dying see pasted parts of article below, remember this is the stuff they are admitting:

1. Mission took place September 21 to October 2 2008
2. 3 aircraft and over 50 personnel deployed to Barksdale AFB
3. 800,000 acres of Louisiana were sprayed
4. Each aircraft had 6 flight crew, a pilot, co-pilot, navigator, flight engineer, and two enlisted personnel in the rear to operate the equipment
5. Flights were conducted at a height of 150 feet above the terrain during the two hours before sunset
6. This unit has been tasked for aerial spraying duties since 1992

Since 1992, about the time the increase in CHEMTRAILS started, to FUZZY or MARPAT, yes it says a height of 150 ft but that's what they are admitting, the fact is they have the equipment.

Maj. Karl Haagsma talked about the insecticide and its use.

Bees are sensitive to dibrom but are generally in their hive at the time spraying is conducted. A number of warnings are also issued through local media and directly to local beekeepers to allow them time to take precautions such as covering their hives.

Full link below:
http://northshorejournal.org/air-force-insect-control-to-save-lives

http://afreserve.com/images/pdfimages/missions-aerialSpray.jpg

http://www.afrc.af.mil/photos/index.asp?galleryID=335

Type in The Modular Aerial Spray Systems, as this is what the military are using and even admitting to it. I have never seen a mosquito in Jan, Feb, March in the UK, what about the US?

Again more 1992, when the increase started.
The unit relocated in 1992 from 907 AW Rickenbacker ANGB OH to 910AW at Youngstown Air Reserve Station, OH.

The mission of the 757th Airlift Squadron is to maintain a large-area fixed-wing aerial application capability to control disease vectors in combat areas and on DoD installations; to maintain a large-area application capability to control vegetation and pests of vegetation on DoD installations; and to provide aerial spray training.

The unit is also tasked with:

To serve as the DoD Training Center for the only EPA-approved Federal Aerial Application Pest Control Certification Course.
To conduct operational testing of new pesticides, equipment and techniques.
To provide consultation services concerning aerial applications to all DoD organizations for routine, emergency and contingency projects.
To maintain DoD's aerial dispersal literature repository and computer deposition modeling capability.
The 757th operates 8 C-130H2 aircraft, four of which are modified to accept the Modular Aerial Spray System. Each MASS has a capacity of 2,000 gallons; which can be delivered at a flow Rate of 232 Gallons per Minute, at an altitude of 100 Feet for a total spray-on time of 8 Minutes and 30 Seconds.

The MASS is thus used to secure an area for holding

I know it says spraying at 100ft, but that's what thy are admitting to doing, would explain why the bees are dying. Too much of a coincidence in my eyes with the 1992 date.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/usaf/757as.htm

Wouldnt suprise me in the least if Monsanto wasnt involved also...I hope I live to see a day when EVERYONE involved in this and other crimes against humanity is brought to justice...and there is only one penalty these scumbags deserve

[truthseeker1980]

Wouldn't suprise me either, they name the sprays ROUND UP, maybe there is a hidden message in the name. Round up the population to a low number. LOL

[john connor]

Wouldn't suprise me either, they name the sprays ROUND UP, maybe there is a hidden message in the name. Round up the population to a low number. LOL

well they round sheep up dont they

[antinwo]

I still wouldn't be suprised if monsanto were involved in this spraying project:mad:

[realfake]

They sometimes fly up each other's arse
http://usera.ImageCave.com/realfake/bmp.jpg

This paticular one is a Boeing E-3A Sentry AWACS (Airborne Warning and Control System). They're military aircraft.

[lightgiver]

well they round sheep up dont they

Hey there john connor,

that pic you posted of the pissed chemtrail, same here in France,it looks exactly the same,and shit loads here to,more than ever today,it is horrendous,it is really pissing me off,i wish i was in England ,i would be right down the local MPs office demanding an enquiry i would have them over the table ,its disgusting:eek:

and then around 5 o clock the sky was clouded over,why are no politicians,green groups, no one highlighting this insanity,any of you had any joy with local MPs and the like?

something really needs doing about this,also did some research ,they are putting it in aeroplane fuel.its on this section.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56510

[naturalcanvas]

Yep, glorious day here in the south west and the spraying has begun! 2 big crosses with 4 trails for breakfast .... lovely.... so what are peoples thoughts on the crosses??

[naturalcanvas]

Here is an artical from the guardian on weather control. Was written in 2003 but thought you guys might like to read it

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2003/aug/07/research.highereducation2

Here is a link to dyn-o-mat weather manipulation patent.

http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Chemtrails/DynoPatent.html

[realfake]

The bastards are at it again, every f***** day this week now.....pure coincidence?...didnt go out the house at the weekend..started to feel better...now spend half the night coughing up again and no doubt will do tonight as well...deniers couldnt give a toss about your 'logic'....my eyes and body are good enough for me...5 out of 6 days now:mad: I told you last winter that the spraying would intensify as we head towards summer. The higher the sun's position is in the sky, the worse it gets. I've noticed this 3 years straight. It's definitely a recurring theme.

You can quote on me this (June-August) if i'm wrong. :D

Things also tail off again in winter when the Sun is much lower on the horizon.

[swissxtrails]

Hi, take a look at this... http://chemtrailswitzerland.blogspot.com/

Switzerland is being sprayed heavily these days :mad:

Best ;-)