We live in democracy

[adbasque]

On duty: 1,000 police officers found guilty of crimes


More than 1,000 police officers are still serving despite criminal convictions including assault, kerb crawling and perverting the course of justice.
There are 77 serving policemen with convictions for violent offences, and 36 with convictions for theft.

Almost one in every 100 policemen has been convicted, many while they were in post.

Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesman Chris Huhne, who uncovered the figures with Freedom of Information requests to every force, said the public would be 'staggered' that so many of the people entrusted to protect us from crime have criminal convictions themselves.

'It is even more worrying that so many police officers convicted of serious crimes involving dishonesty or violence have been allowed to keep their jobs,' he said.

'The public entrust the police with the use of legal force precisely because they are self-disciplined and restrained, which is why anyone convicted of a violent offence should be dismissed.

Full Story click on the link

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1161109/On-duty-1-000-police-officers-guilty-crimes.html

29 have been accused of spouse abuse

7 have been arrested for fraud

9 have been accused of writing bad cheques

17 have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses

3 have done time for assault

71 cannot get a credit card

14 have been arrested on drug-related charges

8 have been arrested for shop-lifting

21 are currently defendants in lawsuits

84 have been arrested for drink driving in the last year

Which organisation is this?

It's the 635 members of the House of Commons, the same group that
cranks out hundreds of new laws each year designed to keep the rest of
us in-line.

[sophia_h]

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A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent
of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.


Thomas Jefferson





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[knightofthegrail]

Sophia has it pretty much spot on - democracy is NOT freedom and it can provide no peace.

[sophia_h]

Sophia has it pretty much spot on - democracy is NOT freedom and it can provide no peace.


Thanks knightofthegrail


The thinking goes back to many Great Minds of history
such as Marcus Tullius Cicero and hundreds who have
warned repeatedly against democracy

mostly those enlightened minds embraced a REPUBLIC


which is what America was created to be but has LOST
the battle with the alien thinking which has totally subverted
all that America was. :( .



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[bowtiedaddy]

Not in the USA. Over here, we live in a democratically elected Constitutional Republic. In the UK you guys live in a democratically administered Monarchy.

Pure democracy is just as tyranny as anything. Would you really trust the average idiot around you to make all decisions without a constitution to limit them AND government?

[sophia_h]

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Not in the USA. Over here, we live in a democratically elected Constitutional Republic. In the UK you guys live in a democratically administered Monarchy.

Pure democracy is just as tyranny as anything. Would you really trust the average idiot around you to make all decisions without a constitution to limit them AND government?


you must live in a different USA than I do ! :rolleyes:






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[fekdemasons]

Not in the USA. Over here, we live in a democratically elected Constitutional Republic. In the UK you guys live in a democratically administered Monarchy.

Pure democracy is just as tyranny as anything. Would you really trust the average idiot around you to make all decisions without a constitution to limit them AND government?

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you must live in a different USA than I do ! :rolleyes:








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Democratic elections ? Constitution ? I agree sophia and you beat me to it.

[kingmonkey]

Out of a 100 people democracy only works for 51. And the individual means nothing.

The only difference between say, communism and democracy is overt vs covert control, and the only difference between capitalism and communism is how much the state interferes with business.

[bowtiedaddy]

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you must live in a different USA than I do ! :rolleyes:






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No... I just read the Constitution, and laws of the land.

The United States is not a democracy. It is a democratically elected Constitutional Republic. The Rule of Law, not the law of the people is the law of the land...and you know what? I'd prefer that in this case. The particular rule of law in America is to protect the individual liberties of it's inhabitants. Democracy is just a tyranny of the masses, and could never last more than a short period of time, as the corrupt would just manipulate the masses into voting them into dictatorial control.

[bowtiedaddy]

Democratic elections ? Constitution ? I agree sophia and you beat me to it.

I said, democratically elected.

In a democratically elected republic the officials are elected by will of the people to uphold the agreed upon law of the land (the constitution). If the constitution is good, this is the best form of government. The particular form of government formed in what became the United States, under the constitution, even better under the articles of confederation, uphold the individual as the most important entity as a sovereign above all others. IT's our decent into democracy, and then toward socialism/communism and then further toward a dictatorship that has been the problem.

Would you trust your neighbors to decide what is best for you, binding by law? Democracy is almost as bad as a dictatorship, as people can't think or govern as a herd. The individual must be the most important to live to their own capacity for happiness and freedom. That is what this particular union of nations is about.... not the democracy that was unsuccessfully tried only once in ancient greece, and corrupted like crazy. In a pure democracy, Christian ideologies would probably become binding law, Gays and Mexicans would be deported, and we would have bombed every country on the planet.

[bowtiedaddy]

Out of a 100 people democracy only works for 51. And the individual means nothing.

The only difference between say, communism and democracy is overt vs covert control, and the only difference between capitalism and communism is how much the state interferes with business.

Yep. Democracy is pure collectivism. Besides, since when has the average American Idol watching idiot known what is best for their country. Hell, they voted for Obama, right? You want people like THAT having no protection against their rule? It would be no worse than a dictatorship.

[lewi]

On duty: 1,000 police officers found guilty of crimes


More than 1,000 police officers are still serving despite criminal convictions including assault, kerb crawling and perverting the course of justice.
There are 77 serving policemen with convictions for violent offences, and 36 with convictions for theft.

Almost one in every 100 policemen has been convicted, many while they were in post.

Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesman Chris Huhne, who uncovered the figures with Freedom of Information requests to every force, said the public would be 'staggered' that so many of the people entrusted to protect us from crime have criminal convictions themselves.

'It is even more worrying that so many police officers convicted of serious crimes involving dishonesty or violence have been allowed to keep their jobs,' he said.

'The public entrust the police with the use of legal force precisely because they are self-disciplined and restrained, which is why anyone convicted of a violent offence should be dismissed.

Full Story click on the link

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1161109/On-duty-1-000-police-officers-guilty-crimes.html

29 have been accused of spouse abuse

7 have been arrested for fraud

9 have been accused of writing bad cheques

17 have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses

3 have done time for assault

71 cannot get a credit card

14 have been arrested on drug-related charges

8 have been arrested for shop-lifting

21 are currently defendants in lawsuits

84 have been arrested for drink driving in the last year

Which organisation is this?

It's the 635 members of the House of Commons, the same group that
cranks out hundreds of new laws each year designed to keep the rest of
us in-line.
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[bowtiedaddy]

Anyone who thinks the United States union of nations is a democracy should read more about the government you lived in, as well as read up on what a democracy actually is. If we stuck to the republic form of government that we were founded as, we'd be a very nice country to live in. We were founded as a nation of sovereigns with a minimal government that's sole purpose was to protect us and uphold our individual liberties. Democracy was not supposed to take that away form us, no matter how apathetic the people got. The rule of law was the law of freedom. Democracy is what ruined the country, as people became more apathetic and complacent. The rule of law as defined in this particular constitution was thwarted with the will of the people, as they were deceived to think that democracy was freedom of the individual.

Democracy is tyranny of the masses. Imagine a full democracy, where the average person that thinks that American Idol is the epitome of civilization is able to choose your fate with the added dumbing down of herd mentality. Democracy would be a nightmare just as bad as a dictatorship.

[kingmonkey]

Imagine a full democracy, where the average person that thinks that American Idol is the epitome of civilization is able to choose your fate with the added dumbing down of herd mentality. Democracy would be a nightmare just as bad as a dictatorship.

Are you trying to frighten me or what?!

[spectruma]

Thanks knightofthegrail


The thinking goes back to many Great Minds of history
such as Marcus Tullius Cicero and hundreds who have
warned repeatedly against democracy

mostly those enlightened minds embraced a REPUBLIC


which is what America was created to be but has LOST
the battle with the alien thinking which has totally subverted
all that America was. :( .



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All good points but America was set up as a Freemasonic Republic.

[adbasque]

I can't understand how people can still believe in such a thing as "Democracy"

how can you claim to have elected anyone, while the latter has been designated for you to vote for him or her?

you have two political parties both ran by the same people, where is democracy here?

My interpretation of "Democracy" is this

Demo = Demon
Cracy = Rule

Also when people think that 51% wins over 49%, in reality nobody wins except people who own the game

They really don't care which one you vote for, and what is even worse, even if nobody goes out to vote they will put one of their puppets in power.

Your vote doesn't count and doesn't mean a thing, it only means the votes will swing from one party to the other.

And even that only if the people behind the scenes didn't mind, because sometimes they want a specific party in power to accomplish a specific task of their agenda.

I really feel sorry when I hear people arguing on "their" parties, especially when they use phrases such as "we won" or "we will win next term" it's really sad :(

[daveashe]

Democracy?

More like Democrazy.

[kingmonkey]

Also when people think that 51% wins over 49%, in reality nobody wins except people who own the game



Yeah, that's true. The 51% or "winning" party/votes is just the flock mentality kicking in...In other words the propaganda has worked and tptb got what they wanted. And the winning party is always represented by their people anyway so...Whichever wins they still get in.

[sophia_h]

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democracy is a blindfold for the willing.



USA has not been a Republic in my long lifetime.

It was hi jacked after Andy Jackson and slowly convertd to a
rule by an elite calling itself democracy but using that as a cover
to institute rule by minority of a NON AMERICAN , NON WESTERN
elite few who lie to the people and set up a fake democracy

and as ALL democracies, no matter how empty and flaccid,
( kool analogy there ! :cool: S. )
sink into despotism we are on THAT verge at imminent falling over that
cliff into a verrry deep chasm

barky is a symbol, the pleasant and smooth black boy the
elite placed on the false kings throne so the black and minorities
will bow and scrape and let the elite finish their tying up of the nets
that will prevent ANY DISSENT IN AMERICA for the next quarter century


(Pluto in Capricorn S )


This was the plan when the elite were told the WHITE SLAVES
in the islands who were dying from to much SUN and getting
burned & REDDENED necks from stooping to pick coffee and
cotton had to be moved north or lost as investements by the elites


the elites semite cousins the Arabs, who also ran merchant ships
to Africa buying and trading and investing in black slaves,
as they did with European whites for many centuries told them
to switch to blacks to work in the SUN and move the whites
north for slavery
in colder climes, building rail roads, factories, government buildings, bridges, ships, ....


the elites began buying blacks from black tribal chiefs as this would
give them slaves who could work out in the SUN all day and the
elites saw they could use the black slaves to furthur destroy
the WHITE RACE which they had been about doing since arriving
in Mesopotamia as Akkadians, and by blaming the black slavery on
the whites and instituting a guilt burden by horrendous false propaganda
and manipulation far into the future and as cover for the elite doing
their usual recipe of nefarious schemes as they did in Egypt and
dozens of nations since

until the FOLK rise up and start the pogroms again


as they did in Egypt and since when the folk are starving and dying
and the elite have bankrupted the treasury and taken all the gold
as they have done in America and our FOUNDERS warned us they would do.

History repeats

elites make sure it does as it has worked for thousands of years

why would they stop NOW ?




they hide behind "Liberty, Equality,Fraternity" DEMOCRACY
which sounds real good to a gullible liberal but
DOES NOT WORK FOR THE FOLK

only for those elites who are liars from the "begining"


what we have in America as well as Europe is TYRANNY by
2% of the worlds population over the 98% of the FOLK in
every nation.

Read the history of how the Kazharian empire was set up an operated
and KNOW where we are being guided .

On your knees before the Kagan head to floor and never look up at
the Kagan or lose your head..........


will we wait for it to be made manifest...
or is Chuck Norris correct about the patriots biding
in wait for a signal ? ?

In other threads here I have said it as it is
my family has shed blood in this land since arrival in
S. Carolina in 1724 escaping tyranny in Europe under those same elites


Such FOLK will not give up to the 'asiatic alien' to use Ben Franklins
words, who has usurped our Nation.


So the same old same old tempate the elite have used is comig
into last act in this nation...

AND YOURS.

are YOU ready ?


democracy is a blindfold for the willing.




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[simplysimon]

From a UK perspective it seems like the "Constitution For America" has been usurped by the federal government, I believe they even renamed the document to "Constitution To America".

It's also kind of strange that the FBI now class people that quote the constitution as "Potential Terrorists". Surely in a republic this would be against the law?

The USA, when it went bankrupt, decided to leverage its citizens as collateral, hence the change to Admiralty Law. I can't believe that would be allowed under a republic.

It's so sad to see this all over the world now. We are all slaves to our corporate(fascist) governments.

[zero1]

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A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent
of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.


Thomas Jefferson





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Uh-huh.

[adbasque]

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democracy is a blindfold for the willing.



USA has not been a Republic in my long lifetime.

It was hi jacked after Andy Jackson and slowly convertd to a
rule by an elite calling itself democracy but using that as a cover
to institute rule by minority of a NON AMERICAN , NON WESTERN elite few who lie to the people and set up a fake democracy
This could sound like a racist remark, why? as if to say the bad guys are always the non westners and non americans?

I have to disagree with you a little here, the Elite has no sovereignty, no religion, no empathy, no patriotism.

They hijacked every government, leader in the world, and America is no exception, but how did they hijack them?

By corrupting the nation's children
they were american citizens in the government, they were americans in the senat, same things goes for the congress, the media, the big corporations.

I accept the fact that most of the owners have a dual citizenship meaning Israelis and "Americans" but they don't care about the USA or the US people.

And I don't mean Jews either, I mean Zionists machine, that operates on every single country in the world, every piece of land.

For those who don't know it yet, the banks are moving from the Cayman islands and Suitzerland to Dubai, that would be their new haven, I don't mean heaven I mean haven.

I remember back in the early 80s when there was a fraction of people who really knew, what was going on.

like in 1986 when the french Singer Daniel Balavoine was killed in a helicopter accident weeks after he had a go at president Mitterand, and the french Stand up comedian also killed in motocycle accident within a month between them.

Because they were both criticising the governments and the NWO, people thought they were crazy, he stood up on a national television and swore at the president Francois Mitterand 100% illuminati, he even build the pyramid in the centre of Paris, with 666 pieces of glasse with a thin layer of gold.

Why did he build a pyramid?
and why use 666 pieces?

I remember at the time everybody was saying wow it's so pretty, (baa baa)
Anyway just to tell you that they are not outsiders, they are corrupt citizens.

George Bush is an American citizen, but he is a corrupt one, a NW Order's prostitute just like his father and his grand father and many others.

But to be honest if we talk with all honesty here, if the 9/11 hasn't happened 99% of Americans will still be asleep today, I know it's a horrible thing to say but it's the truth.

[element]

What do you suggest instead of democracy?

[adbasque]

What do you suggest instead of democracy?

Democracy without a cover, transparency, where people can kick a leader out if he doesn't comply, where citizens come before anything or anybody, where the power is in the hand of the people, not just in theory, how is that grab you?

The true democracy where people have to chose their government, not imposed on them.

That is what we suggest.
When a president tries to take you to war and if you say no, he backs down, because you are his boss, his employer, not the other way around that is democracy, and if you want to call him and tell him you do what you're told or F*** Off (Excuse the language)

[kingmonkey]

Democracy without a cover, transparency, where people can kick a leader out if he doesn't comply, where citizens come before anything or anybody, where the power is in the hand of the people, not just in theory, how is that grab you?

The true democracy where people have to chose their government, not imposed on them.

That is what we suggest.

For that you'd need smaller groupings of people, with their local "mp" or equivalent in easy reach for the whole community. And there would have to be some kind of unified belief system because the infighting and agenda pushing would be the same as it is now.

[adbasque]

Thanks knightofthegrail


The thinking goes back to many Great Minds of history
such as Marcus Tullius Cicero and hundreds who have
warned repeatedly against democracy

mostly those enlightened minds embraced a REPUBLIC


which is what America was created to be but has LOST
the battle with the alien thinking which has totally subverted
all that America was. :( .



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Why do you always talk about America as if it's only America that's been hijacked in all this, we MUST think as one, people were living under those conditions for decades, but of course the "Americans" didn't give a monkeys about the rest of the world.

And I see those comments even now that the cover has been blown, you still talk about America this, America that, America is one tiny piece of the rest of the world.

America is NOT the world, it is part of the world, we need to pull together.

America is not any different or any special than the rest of te world.
I know that you don't mean any harm by this but it can be perceived as I care about America and don't give a S*** about the rest of the world.

Hundreds of countries around te world blame America and Britain for corrupting their own countries, and they have proof and evidence, but we know that the same ones who've been corrupting all of these nations are now turning against Britain and USA.

Because their agenda requires it now, so they have to shift the powers to either China or the middle east.

They don't care about a particular country or people, for them the whole of this planet is theirs.

They can do what they want, this is how they think anyway

[adbasque]

For that you'd need smaller groupings of people, with their local "mp" or equivalent in easy reach for the whole community. And there would have to be some kind of unified belief system because the infighting and agenda pushing would be the same as it is now.

Oh I agree with this, it's not going to be easy because within a community you will have a lot disagreements on many issues, but people will agree on major issues, moral values, and so on.

If some liberties will offend some people then they have to be debated to find a solution or a compromise, and so on.

It will take time, but not the way it is now, as Sophia stated before that democracy as we know it today is literally 51% over 49% will win, it shouldn't be that way.

unless it's 99% to 1% and if the 1% is unhappy with the rest of the 99%, we should provide an alternative for them.

it is very hard to please everyone it's almost impossible.

But Demon cracy of today is nowhere near fair, I am certain that even if as it is today if it was genuine people will accept it.

[atticus_finch]

A true democracy does not exist without freedom of the press. Neither England nor America can qualify on this point.

[kingmonkey]

A true democracy does not exist without freedom of the press. Neither England nor America can qualify on this point.


Yeah, I pretty much said that earlier in the thread about votes being cast by decisions made on propaganda.

The media/press is the main tool of covert control.

[adbasque]

Yeah, I pretty much said that earlier in the thread about votes being cast by decisions made on propaganda.

The media/press is the main tool of covert control.

No unfortunately true democracy needs a lot more than a free press, it needs a hell of a lot more.

The free press is just one aspect, in order to achieve true democracy we need first get rid of these bastards that own the two sides of the coin, they own the game, if you swing left or right you end in the same house.

It's like a bird with two wings, left or right, are operated by the same bird ;)

So to have democracy we have a hellp of a cleaning job first

[kingmonkey]

No unfortunately true democracy needs a lot more than a free press, it needs a hell of a lot more.

The free press is just one aspect, in order to achieve true democracy we need first get rid of these bastards that own the two sides of the coin, they own the game, if you swing left or right you end in the same house.

It's like a bird with two wings, left or right, are operated by the same bird ;)

So to have democracy we have a hellp of a cleaning job first


Yeah, I know! I'm just saying the press is how they distract us from this fact. If we had a free press people would know how the game is played and would (hopefully) wanna change it. the papers make a career out of tit for tat political debates etc. and depending on which paper a person reads they'll be swayed towards a certain agenda, which is distraction.

[chesterd]

Like others have said in this thread Democracy is literally "Mob rule".
What might interest peeps is the word Government, which derives from Latin and Greek.
Guberno = Govern,Control.
Mente/Mentis = Mind
ergo gubermente = Mind Control.

Peace Chester

[bowtiedaddy]

All good points but America was set up as a Freemasonic Republic.

I have to give it to them, however. It's a good form of government. Too bad it's broken. Just because their evil bastards, doesn't mean they didn't come up with a splendid form of government.

[bowtiedaddy]

What do you suggest instead of democracy?

A republic, of course. :D

[bowtiedaddy]

A true democracy does not exist without freedom of the press. Neither England nor America can qualify on this point.

what if 51% ruled that a certain kind of news was just too much, and outlawed it.

In a democracy, all of us would have been outlawed ages ago.

[spectruma]

Democracy without a cover, transparency, where people can kick a leader out if he doesn't comply, where citizens come before anything or anybody, where the power is in the hand of the people, not just in theory, how is that grab you?

The true democracy where people have to chose their government, not imposed on them.

That is what we suggest.
When a president tries to take you to war and if you say no, he backs down, because you are his boss, his employer, not the other way around that is democracy, and if you want to call him and tell him you do what you're told or F*** Off (Excuse the language)

Forget "true democracy" there is no such thing.

There's no perfecting an inherently flawed and deceptive system.

A republic, of course.

A Freemasonic Republic, such as the United States? A republic can incorporate democracy too, you know.

I have to give it to them, however. It's a good form of government. Too bad it's broken. Just because their evil bastards, doesn't mean they didn't come up with a splendid form of government.

You say the USA is "broken". But maybe it was designed to "break", or maybe, it's simply functioning as normal.

I don't really care how efficient their Government is or once was. I don't think living in a Freemasonic State is anything to celebrate.

[spectruma]

A true democracy does not exist without freedom of the press. Neither England nor America can qualify on this point.

This is where you are absolutely wrong. Throughout Bush's term freedom of the press was always maintained. Granted, it tended to follow the Party line, but they were not prohibited from saying anything anti-war or anti-President. As time went on, the mainstream media did become vocally anti-Iraq and anti-Bush.

The mainstream media may be highly Zionist occupied, however it's not the subject of Government regulation in either the US or UK; and if you want to set up a small time dissident press, you can certainly do that.

[bowtiedaddy]

Forget "true democracy" there is no such thing.

There's no perfecting an inherently flawed and deceptive system.



A Freemasonic Republic, such as the United States? A republic can incorporate democracy too, you know.



You say the USA is "broken". But maybe it was designed to "break", or maybe, it's simply functioning as normal.

I don't really care how efficient their Government is or once was. I don't think living in a Freemasonic State is anything to celebrate.

But that's the point. That's why I said democratically elected. A republic such as this does have some democratic elements, which is important. Just when you go towards an actually democratic government... it's not good at all.

[adbasque]

Forget "true democracy" there is no such thing.

There's no perfecting an inherently flawed and deceptive system.

I never said democracy exist, never ever in my life believed in it, what I was using the term, some system that humanity can use as "democracy" the two greek words which means "people Rule" not democracy as we know it today :)

That's all