I Do Not Believe it was an Inside Job

[endlessvista]

Becuase I have not seen enough proof that it was. I loath Bush and his anti-democratic cronies, but I do not believe they were behind 9-11. They are too stupid and incompetent to pull off something like that.

Just thought I would clear that up with the small army of frustrate thought police on this forum who demanded my opinion on 9/11.

Again, I do not beleive it was an Inside Job. More importantly, fuck 9-11. I am sick of hearing about it. The dead are buried and not coming back. Time to move on and deal with the issue which can be solved in the future.

That's all.

[dreamweaver]

Brave. :D

[atticus_finch]

More importantly, fuck 9-11. I am sick of hearing about it. The dead are buried and not coming back. Time to move on and deal with the issue which can be solved in the future.

“You have to know the past to understand the present.”
Sagan.

[dave52]

Time to move on and deal with the issue which can be solved in the future.

That's all.

Fair enough, where would you like to start...?

[kingmonkey]

I'm not convinced about anything to do with 9/11 full stop. That includes npt, controlled demo, Official story and the truth movement in general...The most likely theory is they just let it happen.

It doesn't matter though anyway, the evidence is gone.

[catfood]

There is so much dissinfo about 9/11 it it hard to get to grasps with.
As for me I find the way the buildings fell very suspicious and I dont believe that the planes could get there without being aloud to. So yes I believe that ''they'' did it. any more than that is just useless speculation.

[killtown]

Becuase I have not seen enough proof that it was.
What happened to Flight 93's tail section?

[tannah]

Becuase I have not seen enough proof that it was. I loath Bush and his anti-democratic cronies, but I do not believe they were behind 9-11. They are too stupid and incompetent to pull off something like that.

So Bin Laden and his gang were smart and competent enough instead?

You don't think the 9/11 event was more than a little convenient?

What would you consider proof? The fact that every event that day played into terrorist hands?

I suppose the recent banking problems weren't an "inside" job either?
Like we seem to have rather crap people in the top jobs nowadays. Can't run a bank, can't secure airspace, can't see the danger signals, can't run a bloody free car parking lot.

Yeah, let's just say we can't run things, rather than we can run them but some are power mad greedy buggers near the top. The inside job is the inner corruption through greed.

There have been policies the last century or so that have been designed to stir up extremism. Whilst most people want no more than to have friends, fall in love, raise and feed a family, there are times when one would give their lives in order to protect their culture.

The American/English will be the suicide bombers of the future. When you got no jobs left, because all the greedy buggers have gone for better profits elsewhere, and your system collapses, you'll blow yourself up in a crowded market somewhere in a Chinese town.

[void]

The American/English will be the suicide bombers of the future. When you got no jobs left, because all the greedy buggers have gone for better profits elsewhere, and your system collapses, you'll blow yourself up in a crowded market somewhere in a Chinese town.

I'm not so sure. I believe that the goodness of the west will prevail. Because the unselfish side of us all that has been missing for so long due to isolation from each other due to material wealth and entertainment, will likely return in the event of a collapse. After an initial period of utter chaos, panic, and violence, I reckon it could settle down into something actually quite a lot nicer in our cultures for each other than it has been for the last say 50 years or so.

[armoured_amazon]

Becuase I have not seen enough proof that it was.

PMSL, you serious? :D

[abababba]

I was extremely skeptical too until I saw this video by Richard Gage

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8182697765360042032

After that I realized that the evidence for inside job is strong in other areas, but this presentation of scientific evidence was extremely important for me.

[matrix911]

Becuase I have not seen enough proof that it was.


then either you haven't done enough research, are too ignorant and brainwashed to comprehend the evidence, or you're in denial.

you offer no argument whatsoever showing a single example or exactly where the evidence put forth claiming inside job, is wrong.

why?

because attempting such an impossible feat would put you the same rabbit hole MNI, STANN, JW and other OCT apologists have fallen into that make them look so foolish defending lies, denying facts and arguing from false logic.


I loath Bush and his anti-democratic cronies, but I do not believe they were behind 9-11. They are too stupid and incompetent to pull off something like that.


me thinks you're too st*pid and incompetent to believe they couldn't.

but then, once again you fail to offer any evidence for or against what you claim. Just the usual blind faith, wild accusations, assertions and assumptions.

and you know what they say about ASSuming things don't you? :rolleyes:


Just thought I would clear that up with the small army of frustrate thought police on this forum who demanded my opinion on 9/11.


the only thing you've cleared up is that your OPINION is worthless.


Again, I do not beleive it was an Inside Job.


but again, you offer no proof whatsoever that your OPINION has any merit or it wasn't an inside job.


More importantly, fuck 9-11. I am sick of hearing about it.


because you're in denial.


The dead are buried and not coming back. Time to move on and deal with the issue which can be solved in the future.
That's all.

its that attitude and idiotic logic that allowed the PERPS to pull off 911 and know they'll never be held accountable.

your mindset is what allows EVIL TO FLOURISH

and its your ignorant mindset that perpetuates/creates EVIL and ignorance, a LIE called the WAR on TERROR, protects those who murdered 3000 americans along with hundreds of thousands who have died in this "LIE", and will ensure that the PERPS can get away with ANOTHER 911 that could very well lead to the slaughter of nearly 6 billion on this planet.

but ignorance is bliss right? :rolleyes:

truly sickening

[kingmonkey]

The truth is, every piece of evidence for and against an inside job can be interpreted either way.

[supertzar]

The truth is, every piece of evidence for and against an inside job can be interpreted either way.

Kind of hard to interpret eyewitness reports of massive explosions in the basement before the planes hit as evidence to support the official story.

[kingmonkey]

Kind of hard to interpret eyewitness reports of massive explosions in the basement before the planes hit as evidence to support the official story.

Good point...But you know what the skeptics'll say to that.

[flip side]

Becuase I have not seen enough proof that it was. I loath Bush and his anti-democratic cronies, but I do not believe they were behind 9-11. They are too stupid and incompetent to pull off something like that.

Just thought I would clear that up with the small army of frustrate thought police on this forum who demanded my opinion on 9/11.

Again, I do not beleive it was an Inside Job. More importantly, fuck 9-11. I am sick of hearing about it. The dead are buried and not coming back. Time to move on and deal with the issue which can be solved in the future.

That's all.


It's pretty obvious Bush had very little to no input in the planning stages of 9/11, we all know he's a retard. Isn't that why it happened on 'his guard' so people like yourself will say 'he's too stupid to pull that off?!' You think they were all incompetant? From the CIA op's to the Mossad agents?! When it come's to false flag attacks these are the people that set them up on behalf of the Illuminati NOT bush or brown etc etc. Bush knew it was gonna happen and let it happen... still means he lied, started illegal wars, ripped up the US constitution, took away civil liberties and most of all, still means he's guilty as hell for the atrocities on 9/11!

You've clearly fallen for the illusion of what role the governments play in this world. They are spokesman for the Illuminati, nothing more. This is how some people struggle to accept 9/11 was an inside job, they cant see George Bush sitting down at a table and drawing up the plans LOL of course he didn't!

ps. you're so sick of hearing about 9/11 you started a post about it?!

[supertzar]

Good point...But you know what the skeptics'll say to that.

What do you think is the best argument against it? It didn't happen and the witnesses are mistaken or lying? Or the explosions were done by Bin Laden?

[kingmonkey]

What do you think is the best argument against it? It didn't happen and the witnesses are mistaken or lying? Or the explosions were done by Bin Laden?

I believe it was an inside job, or at least let to happen as it was alleged to, and then "helped" along to make sure the wtc was totally destroyed. It's a long time since I looked at 911 properly...

I'm just playing devil's advocate.


But yeah, I'm sure all three of those have been rolled out at some point, and they're far more believable (and palatable) for most people than it being an inside job. Even pretty solid evidence is gonna have a hard job getting to the surface under the general skepticism, denial, cynicism etc. of the public and mainstream thought.

[steevo]

Becuase I have not seen enough proof that it was. I loath Bush and his anti-democratic cronies, but I do not believe they were behind 9-11. They are too stupid and incompetent to pull off something like that.

Just thought I would clear that up with the small army of frustrate thought police on this forum who demanded my opinion on 9/11.

Again, I do not beleive it was an Inside Job. More importantly, fuck 9-11. I am sick of hearing about it. The dead are buried and not coming back. Time to move on and deal with the issue which can be solved in the future.

That's all.

Good luck with your beliefs endlessvista :)

[queenofleon]

Becuase I have not seen enough proof that it was. I loath Bush and his anti-democratic cronies, but I do not believe they were behind 9-11. They are too stupid and incompetent to pull off something like that.

Just thought I would clear that up with the small army of frustrate thought police on this forum who demanded my opinion on 9/11.

Again, I do not beleive it was an Inside Job. More importantly, fuck 9-11. I am sick of hearing about it. The dead are buried and not coming back. Time to move on and deal with the issue which can be solved in the future.

That's all.


I wish I had a smiley for mindless , roll on the floor laughter.

Anybody with brain cells and the time to research it KNOWS it was an inside job.

And anybody who refutes that is in denial. point blank denial.

And if you cant be bothered to look up the ENDLESS undeniable proofs that it was an inside job I cant be bothered to type them.

Guess what ? SO WAS 7/7!!

"Oh no you didnt!!"


yes I did...

[northern_light]

Becuase I have not seen enough proof that it was.

You admit it yourself then, you have not seen enough proof. It is not that you believe "debunkers", you just have not gathered enough information to make an educated decision on the subject, thus you stick to the official story by default.

Extremely convenient for any liar.

I loath Bush and his anti-democratic cronies, but I do not believe they were behind 9-11. They are too stupid and incompetent to pull off something like that.

Of course they were not. In the same sense that puppet is not in control of a puppet show. They get a hand up their ass and do exactly what their masters want. Do you really believe the President is the most powerful man in the U.S.? George Bush running a country. Now that is fucking hilarious. Almost as funny as a bunch of guys, commanded by a guy in a cave, taking over 4 commercial jets with box cutters and, while evading the entire U.S. defense system, hitting 75% of their targets.

More importantly, fuck 9-11. I am sick of hearing about it. The dead are buried and not coming back. Time to move on and deal with the issue which can be solved in the future.

So what is the official deadline for exposing false flag operations/mass ritual murder then? 2 years? 3 years? Next time tptb decide to murder a couple of thousands and create a massive problem-reaction-solution, we better be quick to do an extensive expose', lest people like you lose interest after a month. That is, of course, if you even decide to search for the information in the first place, wich obviously did not happen regarding this event.

[mercuryrapids]

Becuase I have not seen enough proof that it was. I loath Bush and his anti-democratic cronies, but I do not believe they were behind 9-11. They are too stupid and incompetent to pull off something like that.

Just thought I would clear that up with the small army of frustrate thought police on this forum who demanded my opinion on 9/11.

Again, I do not beleive it was an Inside Job. More importantly, fuck 9-11. I am sick of hearing about it. The dead are buried and not coming back. Time to move on and deal with the issue which can be solved in the future.

That's all.

It's that kind of attitude that allows the NWO to flourish and pull off more false flag atrocities...

Sheesh... :rolleyes:

[dreamweaver]

It's that kind of attitude that allows the NWO to flourish and pull off more false flag atrocities...

Sheesh... :rolleyes:

This is a very broad church and, like endlessvista, I'm not afraid to fight my own corner when I disagree with the majority viewpoint on the forum. If he genuinely holds the view that 9/11 wasn't an inside job, why must he be expected to conform to the majority viewpoint? Isn't that herd mentality what got us in this mess in the first place?

I think 9/11 was an inside job myself but I do also think that there are so many competing theories that at least some of it is probably disinformation put about by the manipulators themselves to keep truthseekers bogged down in interminable and unresolvable slanging matches that waste their time and release lots of negative energy too. The same tactics were used against the JFK researchers.

So I do see that he has a point here. We're coming up to eight years on and you're never going to get any closer to the truth because any tangible evidence is long gone. In that sense I agree with him - I think what is going on with Obama, Israel and other present-day issues is more important.

[mercuryrapids]

This is a very broad church and, like endlessvista, I'm not afraid to fight my own corner when I disagree with the majority viewpoint on the forum. If he genuinely holds the view that 9/11 wasn't an inside job, why must he be expected to conform to the majority viewpoint? Isn't that herd mentality what got us in this mess in the first place?

I think 9/11 was an inside job myself but I do also think that there are so many competing theories that at least some of it is probably disinformation put about by the manipulators themselves to keep truthseekers bogged down in interminable and unresolvable slanging matches that waste their time and release lots of negative energy too. The same tactics were used against the JFK researchers.

So I do see that he has a point here. We're coming up to eight years on and you're never going to get any closer to the truth because any tangible evidence is long gone. In that sense I agree with him - I think what is going on with Obama, Israel and other present-day issues is more important.

I'm not saying endlessvista can't think what he likes, but public apathy is what the NWO feeds off. People can think what they like - it was an inside job, it wasn't, it was pink elephants, but it should NOT be forgotten. 9/11 was the single most important, historic event since WW2 (in my opinon). It was a nexus point for the NWO to launch into its final stage of global domination. And we should just 'move on'? I don't think so, matey!

[bealert]

Becuase I have not seen enough proof that it was. I loath Bush and his anti-democratic cronies, but I do not believe they were behind 9-11. They are too stupid and incompetent to pull off something like that.

Just thought I would clear that up with the small army of frustrate thought police on this forum who demanded my opinion on 9/11.

Again, I do not beleive it was an Inside Job. More importantly, fuck 9-11. I am sick of hearing about it. The dead are buried and not coming back. Time to move on and deal with the issue which can be solved in the future.

That's all.
then you havent done the proper reserch.

[leviathanstaar]

For some reason this post reminds me of posts on prisonplanet.

The ones where 'readers' have had it with conspiracy and are now bored.

The details of 9/11 are indeed pointless, but the implications are not.

Caring or not caring about a particular event is meaningless, so long as said researcher takes it into account when considering the next thing to beleive.

I'd also like to ask many of the anti/conspiracy people around here a ?. What are you doing here?
Shouldnt you be on digg or drudge report arguing about who's a bigger/better conservative/liberal and then blaming nearly everything on your opposite?

This is not @ the OP'r actually just in general. Why join a community that is 80% conspiracy and 20 % esoterics and then bitch because it doesnt feel like your usual left/right argue blogg?
hmm.

[killtown]

I doubt endlessvista is going to come back here and participate in their own thread, so I'd recommend letting it die.

[kingmonkey]

For some reason this post reminds me of posts on prisonplanet.

The ones where 'readers' have had it with conspiracy and are now bored.

The details of 9/11 are indeed pointless, but the implications are not.

Caring or not caring about a particular event is meaningless, so long as said researcher takes it into account when considering the next thing to beleive.

I'd also like to ask many of the anti/conspiracy people around here a ?. What are you doing here?
Shouldnt you be on digg or drudge report arguing about who's a bigger/better conservative/liberal and then blaming nearly everything on your opposite?

This is not @ the OP'r actually just in general. Why join a community that is 80% conspiracy and 20 % esoterics and then bitch because it doesnt feel like your usual left/right argue blogg?
hmm.


Just because somebody says something is a true doesn't make it so (bit like your percentage remark), and people come on here in hopes of wading through what's true and what's not. You don't have to believe in conspiracies to come on here. You also don't have to be a conspiracy researcher etc. to know that the political system is a crock of shit. There are plenty of underground/indy reporters who don't believe most conspiracies who know damn well politics is a sham, who certainly won't be arguing on digg or whatever. There's a huge gap between covered up corruption and outright conspiracy.

[bealert]

The details of 9/11 are not pointless, if conspiracy theorist's are right someone should be held acountable for what happend. if know no one asks questions and no one seeks the truth whats to stop it happening again.

[matrix911]

I doubt endlessvista is going to come back here and participate in their own thread, so I'd recommend letting it die.

exactly.



please don't feed the trolls

[meksar]

9/11 was an inside job but there is something i have considered recently.We know the buildings were rigged with explosives, but the whole plan crash seems like to could gone down either two ways.The planes were either micro chipped and controlled externally or they used bluebeam to create the illusion of a plane crash.

I'm open to many levels on this clear false flag and it was definitely a perfectly planned kabbalistic sacrifice.If anyone still believes the official story they must understand that nothing makes any sense and it has been torn apart many occasions.

[aboott]

anybody that ever listened to goverment explanation about anything needs to wake up from trance. remeber jfk,rfk,mlk,malcolm x,gulf of tonkin,uss liberty,waco,hiroshima and nagasaki just to name a few of the ridiculus govt. explanations to the sheeple. this has to do with peoples self worth and viewing govt as superior or smarter than they are, so they treat these idiot puppets in govt like the gods of old.

[eyepod]

I loath Bush and his anti-democratic cronies, but I do not believe they were behind 9-11. They are too stupid and incompetent to pull off something like that.
....
Time to move on and deal with the issue which can be solved in the future.


Which issue do you refer to, NWO perhaps?

On the 11th September 1990 - exactly 11 years to the day before 911 2001, George Bush Senior made his infamous speech entitled "Towards a New World Order".

Out of these troubled times, our fifth objective—a new world order—can emergeOn 11th September 1941 - exactly 60 years to the day before 911 2001, construction workers building the Pentagon conducted the "groundbreaking" ceremony to commemerate the start of the Pentagon's construction.

All just mere coincidences I am sure. As you state the Bush family and the entire American defense network and military with all their trillions of taxpayer's dollars are just way to stupid when compared to caveman Bin, his illusive stealth donkey and his band of reincarnating Koran bashing terror fiends, weilding plastic knives.

[gebello]

No one has proof it was an inside job.

So that is not the problem.

The problem is that no one has proof of who done it !

The problem is that the "inside" has done no job (investigation) to find the truth, even going as far as removing the evidence on the scene right after the crime!

We are talking about the highjack of 4 jumbo jets in the middle of the country of the most sophisticated air security system in the world, with 60 years of training to protect itself from this very event with only a single plane !

Four jumbo jets who will fly, highjacked, an hour without any notice ! Even after one of those goes right into the WTC and that all air traffic controllers know for last 40 minutes tree others are highjacked, a second will have no problem to fly right into the second tower, and another in the Pentagon !

For the past 60 years before this event, all military highjack training exercises have been done in perfect coordination with civil air traffic to make sure military air crafts and communications were scrambled and identified on screen. No mixup was possible. A soviet airplane or highjacked airplane even in the middle of a training exercise would have been immediately identified from air traffic control to military. And it was identified on that 9/11. It was simply ignored.

This is still no proof, but it is more than ennough evidence for me to refuse to accept the "official" story as the truth.

[dusthead]

It is encouraging to see someone brave enough to post a polar opposite viewpoint on this subject and offer a different angle on the topic.

It is not so encouraging to see once again, that the person in question is automatically accused of being ignorant, poorly educated, brainwashed or 'in denial'. These are judgemental observations and convey 9/11 truthers as smug, arrogant people with little sense of objectivism.

The poster in question has not insulted anyone. He has merely stated what he thinks on the matter. How he came to his conclusions is not for us to decide without properly knowing the individual.

After all, most of the people here are still in the process of 'researching'. This suggests they have not formulated a final conclusion yet. If they had, they would not continue to pursue the matter and instead, campaign in the streets, or contact politicians and media bodies in order to address the issue (this would be the case whether it was an inside job or not).

This person may have come to his conclusion through entirely different means to those suspected. Debate the matter, but avoid mud-slinging - it achieves nothing.

It amazes me how many people assume they are an absolute authority on a subject when their argument is based on second hand information (that goes for BOTH extreme opposite arguments). Certain people would view such sentiment as arrogant, and quite rightly in many cases.

Consider that if there was a final definitive answer, this discussion would not be happening - There would be no point.

As much as certain 9/11 truthers like to paint the rest of society as brainwashed no-hopers, they are wrong in that assumption in a great many cases. Society is a lot more diverse than that.

The findings of the truth movement are not yet 100% absolute and that is why there is so much argument on these boards (e.g. check out the horrors of the yes plane/no plane people).

[tusme]

I loath Bush and his anti-democratic cronies, but I do not believe they were behind 9-11. They are too stupid and incompetent to pull off something like that.
...exactly the kind of logic, the perpetrators hoped, the public would adopt...after 9/11. :confused:

[gebello]

...exactly the kind of logic, the perpetrators hoped, the public would adopt...after 9/11. :confused:

Wrong.

The Bush administration are sort of the knights on the NWO chess board. They obey the King and Queen.

The logic is to keep the public from understanding that the bishops did it.

As long as the public points to the USA (knights, rook, pawns), they are satisfied.

[endlessvista]

It is encouraging to see someone brave enough to post a polar opposite viewpoint on this subject and offer a different angle on the topic.

It is not so encouraging to see once again, that the person in question is automatically accused of being ignorant, poorly educated, brainwashed or 'in denial'. These are judgemental observations and convey 9/11 truthers as smug, arrogant people with little sense of objectivism.

The poster in question has not insulted anyone. He has merely stated what he thinks on the matter. How he came to his conclusions is not for us to decide without properly knowing the individual.

After all, most of the people here are still in the process of 'researching'. This suggests they have not formulated a final conclusion yet. If they had, they would not continue to pursue the matter and instead, campaign in the streets, or contact politicians and media bodies in order to address the issue (this would be the case whether it was an inside job or not).

This person may have come to his conclusion through entirely different means to those suspected. Debate the matter, but avoid mud-slinging - it achieves nothing.

It amazes me how many people assume they are an absolute authority on a subject when their argument is based on second hand information (that goes for BOTH extreme opposite arguments). Certain people would view such sentiment as arrogant, and quite rightly in many cases.

Consider that if there was a final definitive answer, this discussion would not be happening - There would be no point.

As much as certain 9/11 truthers like to paint the rest of society as brainwashed no-hopers, they are wrong in that assumption in a great many cases. Society is a lot more diverse than that.

The findings of the truth movement are not yet 100% absolute and that is why there is so much argument on these boards (e.g. check out the horrors of the yes plane/no plane people).


To be honest I expected this reaction so I am not that bothered. I see no real proof of it being an inside job. If I did see enough real proof I would. But I don't.

More than anything else I am sick and tired of hearing about this event and I just wish people would move on.

[stannrodd]

I wish I had a smiley for mindless , roll on the floor laughter.

Anybody with brain cells and the time to research it KNOWS it was an inside job.

And anybody who refutes that is in denial. point blank denial.

And if you cant be bothered to look up the ENDLESS undeniable proofs that it was an inside job I cant be bothered to type them.

Guess what ? SO WAS 7/7!!

"Oh no you didnt!!"


yes I did...

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Stann

[tusme]

Wrong.

The Bush administration are sort of the knights on the NWO chess board. They obey the King and Queen.

The logic is to keep the public from understanding that the bishops did it.

As long as the public points to the USA (knights, rook, pawns), they are satisfied.
Perhaps...if you intend viewing 911 from a "chess-board", "king & queen" perspective/level, then yes, it's possible...

The reality is, a "chess-board" (or even it's symbolisms) have very little in common with 911...however, Truth has everything to do with 911...

Whoever, the 911 perpetrators are, it is obvious, they ignored the relevence of Truth in their actions...thus, it is only a matter of time before even their own historical records will have to acknowledge, 911 was an inside job...!! :eek: :)

[abababba]

Just saying it wasn't an inside job isn't even a full position.

Is the official story accurate? Was there a cover up? Were the buildings destroyed by controlled demolition? Was much of the video record faked?

You can answer these questions by saying no, yes, yes and yes without saying it was an inside job or knowing it was an inside job, so there is little point to answering that one question without the other ones.

Please answer or give your opinion about these questions that we actually can know the answer to based on evidence.

[meksar]

911 was an inside job and if you don't know it, there is a gathering amount of evidence which destroys the official story. I suggest you also research the occult significance of this ritual sacrifice of 3000 people, because the twin towers were proportioned similar to the twin pillars of freemasonry(Jachin and Boaz).

Also they told us they were going to do it long before with many Hollywood films and TV shows. All of it is part of the sick kabbilistic nature of these people who work with entities they are feeding of low vibrational energy, are completely out of their depth of sadistic and barbaric acts of inhumanity.

[meksar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WltpGlwbEw8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBFsDLwfcIE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYngwbCGw98&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OgHJImQztM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNdEkL4IHY0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2aD1eOj7s0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UevKnwCqIc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIT8M1TdM_I&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0l1QtngffI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuyJVcXi1FA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmdBrPFxSFU&feature=related

[meksar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZalJxCemVj8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdEIksAyEkY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rb8n2hTToo&feature=related

[runciter]

Becuase I have not seen enough proof that it was. I loath Bush and his anti-democratic cronies, but I do not believe they were behind 9-11. They are too stupid and incompetent to pull off something like that.

Just thought I would clear that up with the small army of frustrate thought police on this forum who demanded my opinion on 9/11.

Again, I do not beleive it was an Inside Job. More importantly, fuck 9-11. I am sick of hearing about it. The dead are buried and not coming back. Time to move on and deal with the issue which can be solved in the future.

That's all.

hello endless vista, i'm the frustrated policeman who dared to ask you some questions.

you're sick of hearing about it and you start a thread.

this forum is under attack.

rofl

[runciter]

Brave. :D

hey guys i need more moon landing cognitive dissonance, please.

[dusthead]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WltpGlwbEw8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBFsDLwfcIE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYngwbCGw98&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OgHJImQztM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNdEkL4IHY0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2aD1eOj7s0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UevKnwCqIc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIT8M1TdM_I&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0l1QtngffI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuyJVcXi1FA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmdBrPFxSFU&feature=related

I hate the word 'sheeple' - It's arrogant and judgemental.

[runciter]

Regarding the terror attacks in Israel, Biden said the Sept. 11 attacks made American parents feel what Israeli parents have been feeling. "The difference between now and before 9/11," he said, "is that many Americans can taste what it must feel like for every Israeli mother and father when they send their kid out to school with their lunch to put them on a bus, on a bicycle or to walk; and they pray to God that cell phone doesn't ring."

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3586542,00.html

[gebello]

Whoever, the 911 perpetrators are, it is obvious, they ignored the relevence of Truth in their actions...thus, it is only a matter of time before even their own historical records will have to acknowledge, 911 was an inside job...!! :eek: :)

That's for sure.

We have seen it all before:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/King_david_hotel_bombing1.jpg

Mostly disguised in Arab costume, Irgunists planted a bomb in the basement of the main building of the hotel, under the wing which housed the Mandate Secretariat and part of the British military headquarters. Telephoned warnings were sent to the switchboard by the hotel's main lobby, the Palestine Post newspaper and the French consulate (though not directly to the Secretariat or military headquarters, which had separate switchboards).[4][5] Contrary to the intent of the warning to the hotel, no evacuation was carried out.[4] The ensuing explosion caused the collapse of the western half of the southern wing of the hotel. 91 people were killed and 46 were injured, with some of the deaths and injuries occurring in the road outside the hotel and in adjacent buildings.[4] Due to the question of responsibility for the deaths, controversy has arisen over the timing and adequacy of these warnings and the reasons why the hotel was not evacuated.[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing#Reactions

[redman]

Becuase I have not seen enough proof that it was. I loath Bush and his anti-democratic cronies, but I do not believe they were behind 9-11. They are too stupid and incompetent to pull off something like that.

Just thought I would clear that up with the small army of frustrate thought police on this forum who demanded my opinion on 9/11.

Again, I do not beleive it was an Inside Job. More importantly, fuck 9-11. I am sick of hearing about it. The dead are buried and not coming back. Time to move on and deal with the issue which can be solved in the future.

That's all.



I think you need to do some more research, because the amount of shit I watched and read on this subject has left me with no doubt that it was indeed a inside job.

[kappy0405]

proven fact - The government WANTED 911 to happen.

proven fact - The government KNEW AHEAD OF TIME that it would happen.

proven fact - The government ALLOWED it to happen.

proven fact - The government lied about almost everything afterwards.

proven fact - The official story makes as much sense as a Dr. Suess book.

Even if our government didn't plan it out themselves, what they did do is just as bad.

That said, there should be no doubt, even while believing the official story, that the goverment atleast played a hand in it considering the 'hijackers' infinite connections to the ISI, MOSSAD, and our CIA.

How could it possibly NOT be an inside job? It's completely illogical. Occams razor says it was an inside job. The Scientific method says it was an inside job.

[the nine]

Becuase I have not seen enough proof that it was. I loath Bush and his anti-democratic cronies, but I do not believe they were behind 9-11. They are too stupid and incompetent to pull off something like that.

Just thought I would clear that up with the small army of frustrate thought police on this forum who demanded my opinion on 9/11.

Again, I do not beleive it was an Inside Job. More importantly, fuck 9-11. I am sick of hearing about it. The dead are buried and not coming back. Time to move on and deal with the issue which can be solved in the future.

That's all.

are you a police officer btw?

[the nine]

It is encouraging to see someone brave enough to post a polar opposite viewpoint on this subject and offer a different angle on the topic.

It is not so encouraging to see once again, that the person in question is automatically accused of being ignorant, poorly educated, brainwashed or 'in denial'. These are judgemental observations and convey 9/11 truthers as smug, arrogant people with little sense of objectivism.

The poster in question has not insulted anyone. He has merely stated what he thinks on the matter. How he came to his conclusions is not for us to decide without properly knowing the individual.

After all, most of the people here are still in the process of 'researching'. This suggests they have not formulated a final conclusion yet. If they had, they would not continue to pursue the matter and instead, campaign in the streets, or contact politicians and media bodies in order to address the issue (this would be the case whether it was an inside job or not).

This person may have come to his conclusion through entirely different means to those suspected. Debate the matter, but avoid mud-slinging - it achieves nothing.

It amazes me how many people assume they are an absolute authority on a subject when their argument is based on second hand information (that goes for BOTH extreme opposite arguments). Certain people would view such sentiment as arrogant, and quite rightly in many cases.

Consider that if there was a final definitive answer, this discussion would not be happening - There would be no point.

As much as certain 9/11 truthers like to paint the rest of society as brainwashed no-hopers, they are wrong in that assumption in a great many cases. Society is a lot more diverse than that.

The findings of the truth movement are not yet 100% absolute and that is why there is so much argument on these boards (e.g. check out the horrors of the yes plane/no plane people).

why dont you check out the newtonian physics suspension for the collapse of wtc7?
It can be argued till the cows come home, about who and how the perpetrators commited the acts on 911, but the fact that the official theory repoted by the NIST scientists, contradicts physics, is enough for the rational thinkers to smell cover-up and blatent lying!!

so whats you take on this subject, muslims with box cutters self organised through playing flight simulator pc games..?
or
the crimes was covered up by the government, and the children were missing out of the daycare centre as the first plane hit, and silverstein made a kings ransom?

("there has been such terrible loss of life, we decided to pull the building" as it was insured, and it was insured anyway, never pass on an opertunity to make a buck, huh!)

[matrix911]

you forgot the most important one...

The government was responsible for it and were the ones who did.


so yes, THEY DID PLAN IT OUT THEMSELVES.

Bush
Cheney
Rumsfield
and those who Run/control the system, media and govt
on down the line...

aka

the PERPS

proven fact - The government WANTED 911 to happen.

proven fact - The government KNEW AHEAD OF TIME that it would happen.

proven fact - The government ALLOWED it to happen.

proven fact - The government lied about almost everything afterwards.

proven fact - The official story makes as much sense as a Dr. Suess book.

Even if our government didn't plan it out themselves, what they did do is just as bad.

That said, there should be no doubt, even while believing the official story, that the goverment atleast played a hand in it considering the 'hijackers' infinite connections to the ISI, MOSSAD, and our CIA.

How could it possibly NOT be an inside job? It's completely illogical. Occams razor says it was an inside job. The Scientific method says it was an inside job.

[dusthead]

why dont you check out the newtonian physics suspension for the collapse of wtc7?
It can be argued till the cows come home, about who and how the perpetrators commited the acts on 911, but the fact that the official theory repoted by the NIST scientists, contradicts physics, is enough for the rational thinkers to smell cover-up and blatent lying!!

so whats you take on this subject, muslims with box cutters self organised through playing flight simulator pc games..?
or
the crimes was covered up by the government, and the children were missing out of the daycare centre as the first plane hit, and silverstein made a kings ransom?

("there has been such terrible loss of life, we decided to pull the building" as it was insured, and it was insured anyway, never pass on an opertunity to make a buck, huh!)

I understand your passion for the subject, but one of the things that has always puzzled me about the whole 9/11 debate, is why anyone who believes anything other than the 'inside job' argument is treated with such contempt - particularly when the truth movement is preoccupied with winning the support of such people away from the 'official version of events'.

Simply put - It's difficult to convince anyone of anything if your first action is to call them a dickhead.

On the subject of what I believe - It is different from what you believe, or indeed, what the official version of events is. In this case however, it is not relevant to the point I was making.

[tannah]

Simply put - It's difficult to convince anyone of anything if your first action is to call them a dickhead.

This is why it has proven itself to being a waste of time more often than not. One is either posting in order to confuse the matter, or to help enlighten it. after a while it becomes quite plain what a poster is interested in, and then it is a personal choice whether to conclude with "dickhead" phrase or continue banging head agaisnt wall with said person.

These are generally people who no doubt would order little Jimmy to his bedroom if he came out with the kind of excuses I have seen regarding 9/11 (the official take on it that is). So these posters don't have much of an excuse themselves. The chances of being wrong about 9/11 being an "inside" job, that is, conducted with the awareness and go ahead of those pretending they were taken by surprise, is practically zero.

[matrix911]

one of the things that has always puzzled me about the whole 9/11 debate, is why anyone who believes anything other than the 'inside job' argument is treated with such contempt -

maybe because the future of our civilization is at stake? :rolleyes:

maybe because fence-sitters and those who don't believe inside job haven't done enough research, are in denial, or part of the cover-up?

maybe because it would seem these non-believers just don't care enough that 100's of thousands have been murdered and will continue to be forever due to 911?

maybe because its the non-believers who are most responsible for
perpetuating the ignorance and creating or ARE the mindset responsible for allowing such a crime to have taken place to begin with and those responsible or a factor as to why the perps have not been brought to justice yet and may never be?

and maybe because most who don't believe inside job because they usually
haven't done real research and choose to be ignorant, are really the ones spewing the most true hatred and contempt against those who have and do.

so in essence doing nothing or denying the blatant irrefutable science, facts and evidence thats proven beyond a doubt that 911 is an inside job (and i'm not talking about just the NPT which so many truthers seems to have a problem with), is hindering justice from being served and contributes to the CONFUSION, misunderstanding and disinfo that causes or perpetuates the ignorance responsible for slowing and derailing the truth movement.

So its NOT an OPINION that 911 was an inside job and anyone denying and arguing inside job, is doing a disservice to justice since most often their denial is due to lack of research, ignorance on the subject or blatant disregard for logic and reason.

I don't see there's too many other possibilities.

If any of the above factors are true, then i submit your argument is based on a false premise and therefore moot.


Oh and btw, In a sense, those who don't believe or refuse to believe 911 was an inside job remind me of the type of sheople who turned a blind eye and ear to Hitlers rise and advancement. And I also equate most of those in the MILITARY who are fighting this LIE called the War on Terror to the same type of ROBOTS in the Nazi army who were "just following orders" and who give up their freewill to do what they are told no matter how wrong this war is because this EVIL could not continue if the majority of the people and the war machine they make up, refused to blindly follow their "leaders" over the edge and into the abyss,,, which IS whats happening.

[dusthead]

maybe because the future of our civilization is at stake? :rolleyes:

...i submit your argument is based on a false premise and therefore moot...


Oh and btw, In a sense, those who don't believe or refuse to believe 911 was an inside job remind me of the type of sheople who turned a blind eye and ear to Hitlers rise and advancement. And I also equate most of those in the MILITARY who are fighting this LIE called the War on Terror to the same type of ROBOTS in the Nazi army who were "just following orders" and who give up their freewill to do what they are told no matter how wrong this war is because this EVIL could not continue if the majority of the people and the war machine they make up, refused to blindly follow their "leaders" over the edge and into the abyss,,, which IS whats happening.

If what you suggest is true, then the truth movement will fail.

If you believe that these people will never be convinced, why bother debating the matter? According to what you say, we are certainly doomed to slavery at the hands of the NWO, because a massive amount of people simply don't believe, or are blind to your argument and you can do nothing to change their state of mind. In fact you freely advocate insulting them.

On the one hand you suggest that the future of civilisation is at stake.

On the other, you suggest there is nothing that can be done to stop it and we should be thoroughly unpleasant to anyone who doesn't agree.

It's a pretty depressing outlook - is optimism truly dead? Are people debating 9/11, so when the NWO take over, they can all say 'HEY! We were RIGHT! Told you so!' and feel very smug about the whole thing? I fear everyone will be too dead or brainwashed to care by that stage.

I'm too optimistic to believe the world is doomed. I have more faith in the human spirit. Even if I am wrong, I would be happier anticipating a good future.

[macleodmunro]

I've never seen any solid evidence that Bush, Cheyney, Rumsfeld & co, were behind the attacks.
Who actually planned and carried out 9/11 will probably remain a mystery forever.

What i'm sure most people will agree (if you've viewed enough of the evidence) is that official story is pack of lies.

That's it in a nutshell for me.

[the nine]

I understand your passion for the subject, but one of the things that has always puzzled me about the whole 9/11 debate, is why anyone who believes anything other than the 'inside job' argument is treated with such contempt - particularly when the truth movement is preoccupied with winning the support of such people away from the 'official version of events'.
consider this ..
I would say, the same, Imagine if you attended a hearing of officialism, and you gave an account which included, the suspension of physics as we know it,which is taught by teachers, and marked in exams, and determines grades and careers paths and individual economic status.
This hearing, favoured your suspension of physics, and let you off with murder or manslaughter..
would the press and those involved in the case take a valid interest, and too be outraged at such a calamity? I think so.. I also think you would like to quickly put the matter behind, as you would surely have escaped a substantial penal sentence.. as for those who have lost and those who have lost faith in the system, I think anger and pursuit of the truth would prevail for a long, long time.. whilst a bitter taste ensued!


Simply put - It's difficult to convince anyone of anything if your first action is to call them a dickhead.

true, but many people have been the subject of disinformation and government shills, inevitably, people get frustrated end lash out verbally..it not right but a human emotion..

On the subject of what I believe - It is different from what you believe, or indeed, what the official version of events is. In this case however, it is not relevant to the point I was making.

well, what do you believe? relevance or not, I am truly interested.. please share your views, without fear.. ignore those who scorn, for your truth is required.. I will listen with an open mind :)

peace and love

[dusthead]

well, what do you believe? relevance or not, I am truly interested.. please share your views, without fear.. ignore those who scorn, for your truth is required.. I will listen with an open mind :)

peace and love

Refreshing to have someone use the words 'peace and love' (and I'm no hippy!). This board can get very angry sometimes.

Without getting too much into the nitty gritty of physics, secret societies and a whole bunch of other stuff, I believe that the 9/11 tragedy was caused by massive human stupidity. It's an unpopular opinion and I rarely voice it.

I agree with with the 'alternative version' of events up to a certain point and then I find the whole thing becomes very messy. That's my personal opinion however, and I would not expect anyone to agree with me. I'm certainly not claiming to be an expert.

I believe 9/11 was a mistake resulting from politicians trying to manipulate the public which has very sadly resulted in the deaths of an awful lot of people. I believe the reason there is so much secrecy surrounding the issue is connected to various members of high power organisations covering their own backs. I believe 9/11 has been a very unhelpful glitch in the formation of the American construct of a new world order - I do not believe it was supposed to happen and those who inadvertantly engineered it are VERY stupid people who got a little too power mad for their own good. They should almost certainly be held accountable, but they have dissapearrd in the snow along with the Bush administration. Sadly, I have a strong feeling they will return at some point, but for now political ideologies are a little bit better for their absence (although still massively flawed).

I am fully aware that my opinions are not popular and I do not wish to engage in a debate, but you did ask!

I think in a very similar way to the character 'Worth' in the film Cube (Worth is a nihilist). I should add that this is not a conscious thing and I don't live in a fantasy world where I emulate a fictional character.

Worth's logic was that there is no massively inter-connected network of villainy. All the horrid stuff in the world merely happens because people don't care enough about each other, or fail to question stupid actions.

[runciter]

inside job or zionside job?

http://www.infowars.net/pictures/mar07/140307silverstein.jpg

http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/img/ThreeOfFiveDancingIsraelis.JPG

[runciter]

I believe that the 9/11 tragedy was caused by massive human stupidity.

i believe it was a zionist false flag.

[tothestars]

troll thread


Leave those who want to be with their heads burried in the sand alone...

It is after all only their own problem.



Move along nothing more to see.

[smoking oceanus]

Why is 9/11 more important than the many other worst atrocities thats happened/happening around the world most people are in denial of?

What difference does it make wether the US government kills people on their own soil or people elsewhere?

Do you really think people would suddenly wake up and make the world a better place if they finally found out it was an inside job without even considering what the US has done to other countries for the last 50 decades or so ?

To me, 9/11 was a tragedy caused by Human stupidity and thats it.

[runciter]

Why is 9/11 more important than the many other worst atrocities thats happened/happening around the world most people are in denial of?

What difference does it make wether the US government kills people on their own soil or people elsewhere?

Do you really think people would suddenly wake up and make the world a better place if they finally found out it was an inside job without even considering what the US has done to other countries for the last 50 decades or so ?

To me, 9/11 was a tragedy caused by Human stupidity and thats it.

zionism is a dangerous mental pathology that has very little to do with stupidity.

more than 1 million iraqis died because of the attack/invasion, thanks to crazy israelis.

[anthony65]

then either you haven't done enough research, are too ignorant and brainwashed to comprehend the evidence, or you're in denial.

you offer no argument whatsoever showing a single example or exactly where the evidence put forth claiming inside job, is wrong.

why?

because attempting such an impossible feat would put you the same rabbit hole MNI, STANN, JW and other OCT apologists have fallen into that make them look so foolish defending lies, denying facts and arguing from false logic.

me thinks you're too st*pid and incompetent to believe they couldn't.

but then, once again you fail to offer any evidence for or against what you claim. Just the usual blind faith, wild accusations, assertions and assumptions.

and you know what they say about ASSuming things don't you? :rolleyes:

the only thing you've cleared up is that your OPINION is worthless.

but again, you offer no proof whatsoever that your OPINION has any merit or it wasn't an inside job.

because you're in denial.

its that attitude and idiotic logic that allowed the PERPS to pull off 911 and know they'll never be held accountable.

your mindset is what allows EVIL TO FLOURISH

and its your ignorant mindset that perpetuates/creates EVIL and ignorance, a LIE called the WAR on TERROR, protects those who murdered 3000 americans along with hundreds of thousands who have died in this "LIE", and will ensure that the PERPS can get away with ANOTHER 911 that could very well lead to the slaughter of nearly 6 billion on this planet.

but ignorance is bliss right? :rolleyes:

truly sickening

Excellent reply!

"the only thing you've cleared up is that your OPINION is worthless."

Classic! :D

My response to these kind of posts...

:eek: followed by :confused:

And finally...

:p

Lah dee dah...

If you can't see the significance of 9/11 as a catalyst for the War on Terror, Homeland Security..... :confused:

Yes it's confusing at times, but simply by reading the David Icke material for example, you see so many connections before, during and following the events of 9/11.

If this is truly your opinion, then fine. That's for you to decide, but your post smacks of Monbiotic, Chomskish bullshit...

[smoking oceanus]

zionism is a dangerous mental pathology that has very little to do with stupidity.

more than 1 million iraqis died because of the attack/invasion, thanks to crazy israelis.



Fair enough, im just sick of many of these 9/11 "truthers" acting like a bunch of self rightous fanatics. It sees that to them, 3 thousand murdered in New York is far more importent than 1 million murdered in Iraq, the people murdered in Vietnam, Central America and many other places by the US/Zionism.

[anthony65]

Why is 9/11 more important than the many other worst atrocities thats happened/happening around the world most people are in denial of?

What difference does it make wether the US government kills people on their own soil or people elsewhere?

Do you really think people would suddenly wake up and make the world a better place if they finally found out it was an inside job without even considering what the US has done to other countries for the last 50 decades or so ?

To me, 9/11 was a tragedy caused by Human stupidity and thats it.

Try looking at the big picture. 9/11 was the Pearl harbour event mentioned in Project for a New American Century.

9/11 provided the excuse to launch illegal and murderous wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

9/11 provided the excuse to rush through the Patriot Act and Homeland Security.

9/11 provided the excuse for the eternal War on Terror and the continual surrender of more and more freedom in the name of security.

9/11 wiped away the story of Donald Rumsfeld's missing trillions overnight.

9/11 was seized upon immediately by the Zionists to promote Israeli interests at the cost of Arab interests.

9/11 was the excuse to damn the Islamic World.

9/11 was the excuse to set up Guantanamo.

9/11 was the excuse for the Americans (and others) to torture their prisoners.

The list goes on and on and on...

This is just skimming the surface.

9/11 was the key event in our history. I can't think of a bigger one.

And I can't think of one where there is more evidence of wrong doings, corruption, incompetence, lies and cover ups than this one.

Your attitude and the attitude of the OP play into the hands of the bastards who thought up executed and covered up this crime.

You really don't get that? :confused:

[msmoorad]

i am also a member of the pravda forums and ive noticed there are many people there (or is it just one acting as many?) who are so blatantly pro zionist/Israel and defend so many clear violations of human rights that leads me to believe that these people are there specifically to incite the rest of the people and cause mischief.
the same appears to be the case here as well.
after all , what is the motto of Mossad?
Oh yes, "By Way of Deception, Thou Shalt do War"

[smoking oceanus]

Its all the types of problems that points figures at deposible groups and demands solutions (saviours)

[endlessvista]

I've never seen any solid evidence that Bush, Cheyney, Rumsfeld & co, were behind the attacks.
Who actually planned and carried out 9/11 will probably remain a mystery forever.

What i'm sure most people will agree (if you've viewed enough of the evidence) is that official story is pack of lies.

That's it in a nutshell for me.


That more or less sums the whole 9/11 stuff up for me. I think the official story being a pack of lies is more about protecting the astounding incompetence of the US Government and Military on the day of 9/11 than hiding an inside job.

Bush and team made a mess of every single task they set out to achieve in 8 years. Hardly seems like criminal masterminds material to me. Bunch of stupid halfwits more like.

The dead are buried. Time to move on.

[runciter]

That more or less sums the whole 9/11 stuff up for me. I think the official story being a pack of lies is more about protecting the astounding incompetence of the US Government and Military on the day of 9/11 than hiding an inside job.

Bush and team made a mess of every single task they set out to achieve in 8 years. Hardly seems like criminal masterminds material to me. Bunch of stupid halfwits more like.


it was a zionist job accomplished with some help from the nazi-cons.


The dead are buried. Time to move on.


it's simply disgusting, you're insulting the victims and their families :)

[runciter]

from today's icke headlines:

FOLLOW THE MONEY / MADOFF, MOSSAD, AIG AND 9/11

Wednesday, March 18, 2009

The Madoff investigation is very similar to the 9-11 investigation in that evidence of a larger conspiracy is being avoided and ignored. It is possible that the billions that Madoff stole, and is still unaccounted for, was being used to finance Israel’s vast global spy and sabotage network Mossad with connections to both AIG and quite possibly 9/11 itself: Allen L Roland

Talk about red flags! I always felt there was something fishy about the Madoff scandal as if the government was going to great lengths to portray this as a simple one man Ponzi scheme while avoiding the very real possibility of a major conspiracy.

Russian intelligence has weighed in on the Madoff scandal and reported today that ~ " Madoff was the chief financier for a vast Israeli spy and sabotage network ( Mossad ) set up by former Israeli Security Agency (Shin Bet) director Jacob Perry (Yaakov Peri) who ‘transformed’ himself into one of America’s most powerful businessman and led what FSB sources call the ñìåðòîíîñíàÿ øàòèÿ 7 ( English translation roughly means “Murderous/Fatal Gang of 7 ) which references the leaders of this American-Israeli cabal who besides Madoff and Perry include:

Henry Taub, Hungarian born American-Israeli who created the giant United States payroll company ADP which continues to funnel to Israeli intelligence services financial records for nearly every US citizen.

Maurice Greenberg, American-Israeli who was the former chairman and CEO of American International Group (AIG), the World's 18th largest public company and its largest insurance and financial services corporation which has (so far) funneled over $180 billion in US taxpayer money directly to Israel.

Larry Silverstein, the American-Israeli billionaire who secured a lease for the World Trade Center buildings in New York on July 24, 2001, insured them for $3.55 billion spread among 24 different insurance companies, and after their destruction 2 months later on 9/11 collected $4.55 billion for Israel.

Mort Zuckerman, Canadian born American-Israeli billionaire who through his vast publishing empire has direct control over 70 percent of the news reported in the United States.

Edouard de Rothschild, French born American-Israeli member of the all powerful European Rothschild Banking Empire and director of the Rothschild & Cie Banque reported by the FSB to hold nearly 80% of the wealth stolen by Israel from the United States Government and its citizens.

These reports further state that Madoff was ‘convicted’ in a ‘one of a kind’ designed trial in which his guilty plea kept all evidence against Israel’s betrayal of the United States from being entered into official American records as it was deemed by the Obama administration as ‘too incendiary’ for the American people to know about and would, most certainly, unleash an Israeli backlash many Russian Military Analysts state would leave ‘many US cities in ruin’. " http://fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/government/fraud/israel/news.php?q=1237329300

With that in mind, it most certainly seems to appear that the prosecution is playing along with Madoff to protect other conspirators involved in this massive fraud. If so, who are they and why are they being protected ?

Here's a clue ~ Madoff has long standing ties with two of Israel's largest banks ~ Bank Leumi and Israel Discount Bank ( IDB ) ~ which has a history of money laundering and illegal money transfers.

Jacob Ezra Merkin is a part owner of Bank Leumi and has funneled billions of dollars to Madoff's fund ~ suggesting that Madoff's scheme was, in reality, a massive theft being disguised as a Ponzi scheme. A theft that involved many high level Zionists.

If this is indeed the case ~ The Madoff fraud is a Zionist fund raising scheme in which billions of dollars have been not only been stolen but it would explain why they are still totally unaccounted for.

The missing link in this cover up would be a Zionist agent playing the role of the Government prosecutor and that is indeed the case with Lev L Dassen, U.S. Attorney ~ one of the insiders in the judicial game surrounding the possible false-flag terror attacks that changed America and brought U.S. troops into the Middle East on a permanent basis. http://www.bollyn.info/home/articles/911/another-massive-zionist-fraud-surfaces/

Once again, the Madoff scandal is a red flag which cannot be ignored and must be investigated. Just follow the money and it could be the key to opening a Pandora's Box of Israeli influence and the 9/11 cover up. Madoff is part of the Billionaires club which has wrought havoc on Wall Street and that includes AIG's CEO Edward M. Liddy. The AIG debacle is another red flag that demands a criminal investigation ~ not Obama administration stonewalling ~ for its derivative trading schemes involves trillions of dollars of debt which cannot possibly be paid and could well be the greatest financial scandal in US history.

Follow the money starting with Madoff's missing billions and let's fully open Pandora's box.

Allen L Roland

http://blogs.salon.com/0002255/2009/03/18.html

[anthony65]

That more or less sums the whole 9/11 stuff up for me. I think the official story being a pack of lies is more about protecting the astounding incompetence of the US Government and Military on the day of 9/11 than hiding an inside job.

Bush and team made a mess of every single task they set out to achieve in 8 years. Hardly seems like criminal masterminds material to me. Bunch of stupid halfwits more like.

The dead are buried. Time to move on.

If that's your opinion, then move on.

9/11 was probably the key event of our lifetimes.

You dismiss the official version as a pack of lies...

And then say it's time to move on?

"The dead are buried."

So once the corpse is laid to rest it's end of story... :confused:

Bizarre logic.... :eek:

Or do you have a set time within which all suspect events should be cleared up... :confused:

[anthony65]

Its all the types of problems that points figures at deposible groups and demands solutions (saviours)

:confused:

Problem / Reaction / Solution

9/11 was a PRS Inside Job...

[runciter]

If you can't see the significance of 9/11 as a catalyst for the War on Terror, Homeland Security..... :confused:


hey what are you talking about, the dead are buried and it's time to move on, zion will prevail.

[msmoorad]

do u people know anything of john boncore/splitting the sky?
he a native indian guy from canada-i heard he just got arrested in alberta.
just do a google search for him and im sure you guys will learn something more about 911.
just follow the money!

[anthony65]

hey what are you talking about, the dead are buried and it's time to move on, zion will prevail.

Not you too Runciter.... :eek:

I thought you'd be fighting to the end... :(

You mean...

We should just let bygones be bygones...

Water under the bridge...

Worse things happen at sea...

** Maybe there's something good on Daytime TV.... :)

Think of what we're missing....

"If the dead are buried the case is closed."

The unwritten rule of conspiracy theories has now been written...

[gebello]

What i'm sure most people will agree (if you've viewed enough of the evidence) is that official story is pack of lies.

The "official" version is the "inside" version. So how can you say you are not sure it was an inside job when you are sure they are lying?

[dusthead]

The "official" version is the "inside" version. So how can you say you are not sure it was an inside job when you are sure they are lying?

That would depend on why they are lying (or indeed if we believe they are lying). The official version of events could be misleading for a number of reasons - For example - to mask incompetence or to divert attention from a more sinsister motive. Perhaps the official version of events is simply incorrect and has been put together by a bunch of simpletons. Of course, there is the consideration that the official version of events may be accurate (although this is widely discounted).

There are many different beliefs.

What is interesting is that there are a lot of people who say 'How can you believe anything other than the conclusion I have arrived at based on the evidence?'. From where I am standing, there appear to be many different opinions and each is backed by some extremely detailed analysis. However, if I advocate any one of these theories I will be shouted down by a polar opposite advocate and there are many in each group.

It's a fascinating subject, but it is rare that you meet anyone who has researched every concievable angle from every extreme opposite viewpoint without prejudice or bias. This is unsurprising because it would be an absolutley mammoth task and require emmense objectivity. In many cases, there is a conscious willingness to either support, reject or be indifferent to the official version of events (according to the powers that be) and that can make a truly objective conclusion problematic - For example, certain people like to believe 9/11 holds the key to exposing corruption and this can cloud their findings. The same would be true of any other group from whichever standpoint.

There is little in the debate that could be called 'neutral ground'.

[anthony65]

That would depend on why they are lying (or indeed if we believe they are lying). The official version of events could be misleading for a number of reasons - For example - to mask incompetence or to divert attention from a more sinsister motive. Perhaps the official version of events is simply incorrect and has been put together by a bunch of simpletons. Of course, there is the consideration that the official version of events may be accurate (although this is widely discounted).

There are many different beliefs.

What is interesting is that there are a lot of people who say 'How can you believe anything other than the conclusion I have arrived at based on the evidence?'. From where I am standing, there appear to be many different opinions and each is backed by some extremely detailed analysis. However, if I advocate any one of these theories I will be shouted down by a polar opposite advocate and there are many in each group.

It's a fascinating subject, but it is rare that you meet anyone who has researched every concievable angle from every extreme opposite viewpoint without prejudice or bias. This is unsurprising because it would be an absolutley mammoth task and require emmense objectivity. In many cases, there is a conscious willingness to either support, reject or be indifferent to the official version of events (according to the powers that be) and that can make an objective conclusion problematic. There is little in the debate that could be called 'neutral ground'.

Good points!

I find it more productive to find and focus on the common ground rather than focussing on some of the technicalities.

This is not to say of course that people shouldn't research particular aspects of 9/11, but I feel that concentrating on what is demonstrably false is more productive....

Now where to begin.... :o

[runciter]

It is encouraging to see someone brave enough to post a polar opposite viewpoint on this subject and offer a different angle on the topic.


there's no viewpoint, like in your scrupulously shaped posts: it's relativistic rhetoric with nearly zero substance.

[runciter]

That would depend on why they are lying (or indeed if we believe they are lying). The official version of events could be misleading for a number of reasons - For example - to mask incompetence or to divert attention from a more sinsister motive. Perhaps the official version of events is simply incorrect and has been put together by a bunch of simpletons. Of course, there is the consideration that the official version of events may be accurate (although this is widely discounted).

There are many different beliefs.

What is interesting is that there are a lot of people who say 'How can you believe anything other than the conclusion I have arrived at based on the evidence?'. From where I am standing, there appear to be many different opinions and each is backed by some extremely detailed analysis. However, if I advocate any one of these theories I will be shouted down by a polar opposite advocate and there are many in each group.

It's a fascinating subject, but it is rare that you meet anyone who has researched every concievable angle from every extreme opposite viewpoint without prejudice or bias. This is unsurprising because it would be an absolutley mammoth task and require emmense objectivity. In many cases, there is a conscious willingness to either support, reject or be indifferent to the official version of events (according to the powers that be) and that can make a truly objective conclusion problematic - For example, certain people like to believe 9/11 holds the key to exposing corruption and this can cloud their findings. The same would be true of any other group from whichever standpoint.

There is little in the debate that could be called 'neutral ground'.

perhapsy perhaps there is a conscious willingness to create cognitive dissonance even on this topic.

[turbine]

Becuase I have not seen enough proof that it was. I loath Bush and his anti-democratic cronies, but I do not believe they were behind 9-11. They are too stupid and incompetent to pull off something like that.
Just thought I would clear that up with the small army of frustrate thought police on this forum who demanded my opinion on 9/11.

Again, I do not beleive it was an Inside Job. More importantly, fuck 9-11. I am sick of hearing about it. The dead are buried and not coming back. Time to move on and deal with the issue which can be solved in the future.

That's all.

Bingo, their mind control tactics have worked like a treat on you. Remember Bush is just a puppet and didn't make the real decisions. I'm sure he had little to do with the actual planning of 9/11.

[dusthead]

perhapsy perhaps there is a conscious willingness to create cognitive dissonance even on this topic.

There isn't.

[shane]

Becuase I have not seen enough proof that it was. I loath Bush and his anti-democratic cronies, but I do not believe they were behind 9-11. They are too stupid and incompetent to pull off something like that.



Oh ok, so for it to have been an inside job, Bush and Cheney must have been flying the planes, and parachuted out at the last minute...:rolleyes:

[dusthead]

there's no viewpoint, like in your scrupulously shaped posts: it's relativistic rhetoric with nearly zero substance.

My intention was to demonstrate how the topic of 9/11 is causing division between people, something which makes discussion of the topic extremely difficult and impares the pursuit of truth.

The idea that I should join a 'side' or 'group' defeats the object. Truth has nothing to do with which side you are on - it simply exists and provides 'neutral ground'.

If that is zero substance then so be it.

[twistedconcept]

Silly conspiracy theorists.

9/11 was clearly orchestrated by an old bearded man in a cave. A few hijackers, armed with boxcutters, managed to bypass the best air defence force system in the world.

What do you not get?

[gebello]

That would depend on why they are lying (or indeed if we believe they are lying).

The simple fact of lying to the american people is a treason.

The official version of events could be misleading for a number of reasons - For example - to mask incompetence

Masking nation's security incompetence is treason.

or to divert attention from a more sinsister motive. Perhaps the official version of events is simply incorrect and has been put together by a bunch of simpletons. Of course, there is the consideration that the official version of events may be accurate (although this is widely discounted).

Still is treason.

There are many different beliefs.

Religion is a question of beliefs.

This is a question of national pride and integrety.

There is little in the debate that could be called 'neutral ground'.

How can a American citizen call himself neutral ?

How can any citizen of any country be neutral without being a traitor?

[stannrodd]

How can any citizen of any country be neutral without being a traitor?

Are you saying that you must be patriotic and cannot be neutral, even if you disagree with the current administration ... or else you are a traitor?

I for one disagreed but remained neutral with lots our previous NZ government did, so did many others .. we made our point by electing a new administration. A traitor is by definition someone who is false to his allegiance.

My allegiance is to my country and countrymen, not the administration.

You can be patriotic and neutral and not be a traitor IMO.

Stann

[gebello]

Are you saying that you must be patriotic and cannot be neutral, even if you disagree with the current administration ... or else you are a traitor?

A citizen, a patriot, defends the country's constitution, not the current administration (which is supposed to do the same).

You are bound to the constitution. The constitution is the country.

If you dont like it, you are free to go into another country.

I for one disagreed but remained neutral with lots our previous NZ government did, so did many others .. we made our point by electing a new administration. A traitor is by definition someone who is false to his allegiance.

Your allegiance is to the constitution of this country. It is also the allegiance of any administration. It is what secures the PEOPLE's rights and liberties in this country. The constitution by the people for the people. Not by the administration for the administration !

My allegiance is to my country and countrymen, not the administration. You can be patriotic and neutral and not be a traitor IMO.

I dont see where you see yourself as neutral in this last comment.

[stannrodd]

I don't live in America and am not an American.

I am a New Zealander and live in New Zealand. Look at my location by the avatar.

I have no allegiance to America.

Cheers

Stann

[runciter]

My intention was to demonstrate how the topic of 9/11 is causing division between people, something which makes discussion of the topic extremely difficult and impares the pursuit of truth.

The idea that I should join a 'side' or 'group' defeats the object. Truth has nothing to do with which side you are on - it simply exists and provides 'neutral ground'.

If that is zero substance then so be it.

on this forum we all agree that it was an inside job/false flag, with some interesting exceptions.

[runciter]

There isn't.

you choose comfortable relativism in a time when manufactured terrorism is used as an excuse to fuck us all.

"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor."

[dusthead]

on this forum we all agree that it was an inside job/false flag, with some interesting exceptions.

"We are all individuals (I'm not)" (From Monty Python's Life of Brian)

[stannrodd]

"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor."

Do you have a problem with being human ??

Some times being neutral has advantages .. unless your opposition is a dictator!

History shows the facts.

Do we really want to play it again Sam !!

Stann

[ex sheep]

OK 9/11 was not an inside job.

and there is not a bunch of people trying to take over the world,

and they are not trying to poison us.

Yahoo :) all this was just my imagination:)

Thank fuck, I was starting to get worried about everything.:)

[dusthead]

you choose comfortable relativism in a time when manufactured terrorism is used as an excuse to fuck us all.

"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor."

I am not personally in a situation of injustice nor have I chosen to side with an oppressor.

Truth is neutral. It does not have different 'sides'. It is what it is.

[runciter]

"We are all individuals (I'm not)" (From Monty Python's Life of Brian)

i noticed that you accurately avoid any reference to facts, in your posts.

[runciter]

I am not personally in a situation of injustice nor have I chosen to side with an oppressor.

Truth is neutral. It does not have different 'sides'. It is what it is.

you're siding with the oppressor by refusing to look honestly at facts and discern truth from lies.

your choice, not being directly harmed by the criminals helps a little i guess, but it's only a matter of time.

[runciter]

Do you have a problem with being human ??

Some times being neutral has advantages .. unless your opposition is a dictator!

History shows the facts.

Do we really want to play it again Sam !!

Stann

what's the meaning of this post? :confused:

[stannrodd]

what's the meaning of this post? :confused:

Read it in the context of the thread, Sir.

Stann.

[runciter]

Read it in the context of the thread, Sir.

Stann.

??

[stannrodd]

What's your problem .. ?? What don't you understanned ??

Stann

[runciter]

what is your point of view on false flags and manufactured terrorism?

[endlessvista]

it's simply disgusting, you're insulting the victims and their families :)

So is constantly watching the towers collaspe in slow-mo while you have a "Truther" Boner while forgetting you are entralled in the moments of people's slaughter.

That's bringing nobody back from the dead.

[endlessvista]

what is your point of view on false flags and manufactured terrorism?

They have happened for sure. But not 9/11 from what I can tell of studying it.

The whole things was a monumental fuck up in national security from what I can see.

[runciter]

So is constantly watching the towers collaspe in slow-mo while you have a "Truther" Boner while forgetting you are entralled in the moments of people's slaughter.

That's bringing nobody back from the dead.

please stop the manipulation, don't try to depict me as needed by your mysterious (?) agenda.

show a little respect for the dead, instead of trying to convince people that exposing the criminals is pointless.

[runciter]

They have happened for sure. But not 9/11 from what I can tell of studying it.

The whole things was a monumental fuck up in national security from what I can see.

i was asking stann, not you.

it was an intentional fuck up, so that our crazy zionist friends could accomplish their mission.

[endlessvista]

runciter, you missed out on you calling as a STAZI interogator!

[runciter]

what's the purpose of this thread?

[gebello]

I don't live in America and am not an American.

I am a New Zealander and live in New Zealand. Look at my location by the avatar.

I have no allegiance to America.

Cheers

Stann

Sorry, I did not notice !

New Zealand ! Then that is indeed different !

You are not in a independent country, but in a british colony.

Here is your pledge of allegiance :

“I [name] solemnly and sincerely affirm that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Queen of New Zealand, Her heirs and successors according to the law, and that I will faithfully observe the laws of New Zealand and fulfil my duties as a New Zealand citizen.”

That's an allegiance to the crooks who are destroying the USA !

We are both in the same situation because I live in the british colony called Canada. I reject any legitimacy of that federal british colony.

As for you, either you accept this NZ allegiance or reject it, you are not neutral.

[gebello]

Do you have a problem with being human ??

Some times being neutral has advantages .. unless your opposition is a dictator!

History shows the facts.

Do we really want to play it again Sam !!

Stann

A human makes choices.

David Icke sumed it up very well :

They came for the Jews and I said nothing

They came for the communists and I said nothing

They came for the priest and I said nothing

Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak for me.

[endlessvista]

what's the purpose of this thread?

You stalking me and making a tit of yourself?

[runciter]

LARRY SILVERSTEIN: 9-11’s INSIDE MAN

By Brother Nathanael Kapner - Copyright © 2008

THE ZIONIST JEW LARRY SILVERSTEIN obtained a 99 year lease of the World Trade Center on July 24 2001 just seven weeks before the 9-11 attacks.

Silverstein obtained this lease from his Jewish synagogue buddy, Lewis M Eisenberg, (who was then the Chairman of the Port Authority of New York), even though Vornado Realty outbid Silverstein by $50m.

Eisenberg aborted Vornado’s bid in favour of his Zionist buddy Silverstein. Eisenberg, who was a huge contributor to the Bush-Cheney campaign, is a member of the Republican Jewish Coalition and former partner of the Jewish bank, Goldman Sachs.

Silverstein and Eisenberg both held senior leadership positions with the United Jewish Appeal, a billion dollar Zionist organization. At present, Silverstein is on the UJA’s Board Of Directors. The UJA raises millions of dollars for its client, the Zionist State of Israel. Silverstein is also co-founder of the Israel Export Development Company.

Of particular note, the Wall Street Journal reported that Silverstein regularly had breakfast at the WTC’s Windows on the World every morning. Yet strangely enough, Silverstein had a doctor’s appointment the morning of the 9-11 attack… (How did you know not to be there dear Larry?)

9-11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB

SCIENTISTS, ARCHITECTS, & ENGINEERS now affirm that the 9-11 destruction of the World Trade Center buildings was an inside job. The leading scientist of Scholars For 9-11 Truth, Dr Steven Jones, has proven that controlled demolition devices were placed within the WTC Twin Towers - and this is what brought the buildings down not the airplanes.

Jones says that molten metal was found in the sub basements of the buildings. The molten metal, Jones argues, was caused by a high-temperature Thermite reaction, used to demolish steel. Thermal hot spots throughout the sub basement levels were detected by satellite - confirming Jones’ findings.

Jones also says that heated dust with particles of Thermite was discovered in the WTC area. But Silverstein arranged that three NY Jewish steel and scrap companies ship the metal which could have been used as evidence to China & India.

Paul W. Mason, structural engineer of Melbourne Australia, affirms Dr Jones’ findings:

— “The chances of the buildings collapsing symmetrically into their own footprint at freefall speed by any other means than by controlled demolition are so remote that there is no other plausible explanation” — Here.

3 Questions Remain:

Who Let The Controlled Demolition Experts Into the Twin Towers?
Were The Controlled Demolition Experts Mossad Operatives?
Did Larry Silverstein Let The Mossad Operatives In?

It Appears That Zionist Jew Larry Silverstein Was 9-11’s Inside Man!

http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=238

[runciter]

9-11 & THE JEWISH GATEKEEPERS

By Brother Nathanael Kapner, Copyright 2008

9-11 WAS ORCHESTRATED to launch the Jewish hoax known as the War On Terror - with its preplanned wars and infringements upon our freedoms.

The official account is that the World Trade Center buildings suffered spontaneous structural collapses Here. The alternative account put forth by Scholars For 9/11 Truth is that the WTC buildings were destroyed via controlled demolition by pre-positioned devices Here.

Independent Investigator Christopher Bollyn Writes:

— “9-11 was a false flag operation executed by a state-sponsored criminal network that required years of planning. False flag terrorism is a crime of terrorism designed by the architects to be blamed on their enemy. The media outlets which the criminals control stifle any independent analysis of the crime.

It is obvious who is obstructing justice toward the victims. At every critical point where the events of 9-11 should have been investigated and discussed there has been a Zionist occupying a key position and acting as the censor of evidence - the gatekeeper of information.” — Here.

JEWISH GATEKEEPERS
ARE HIDING THE TRUTH ABOUT 9-11

Jews in key positions are obstructing the investigation of 9-11 in order to conceal evidence of Israeli and Zionist involvement in the crimes. Here are the Jewish Gatekeepers:

Michael Chertoff: This Jew was the Assistant Attorney General at the time of the attack & responsible for the “non-investigation” of 9-11. Chertoff, a Talmudic Jew, is a dual citizen of Israel & the United States. He is now the head of US Homeland Security.

Chertoff confiscated all the crucial evidence of the 9-11 attack. This evidence includes physical pieces from the different aircraft involved. He is denying all available evidence to families of the victims citing “Sensitive Security Information Regulations” to block discovery of evidence.

Chertoff allowed Israeli suspects to return to Israel without being investigated. These suspects were caught driving with explosives near the WTC on September 11 2001. They were driving a moving van of a phony company, Urban Moving Systems, which was found to be a Mossad front company.

5 other Israeli suspects of Urban Moving Systems were seen on the roof of a nearby building videotaping and celebrating the destruction of the WTC. Chertoff also allowed these prime Jewish suspects to return to Israel. Obviously Chertoff has no loyalty to America. He is a miserable traitor who should be imprisoned for life.

Alvin K. Hellerstein: This Jew continues to act as Federal Judge to oversee cases involving the 9-11 attacks. Hellerstein, a Talmudic Jew, has prevented discovery with respect to the cases of the families of the victims. Ellen Mariani, who lost her husband Neil on United Air Lines Flight 175, has been placed under a Gag Order by Hellerstein Here.

Hellerstein’s wife is the current Treasurer of Americans for Israel and Torah, raising the question of conflict of interests. But Jews in power are never called into question for any of their crimes are they?

Michael B. Mukasey: This Jew acted along with Hellerstein as presiding Federal Judge of 9-11 cases. Mukasey, a Talmudic Jew, is currently Bush’s Attorney General. (Bush appoints Jews to high places to pay them back for getting him elected.)

Mukasey ensured that Larry Silverstein the owner of the World Trade Center collected $4.6 billion dollars from insurance companies as presiding judge over the insurance settlements case. (Jews help other Jews whether they are arsonists, thieves, or murderers.)

In the days after the attacks, Mukasey worked behind closed doors seeing some of the first material witnesses detained by Federal authorities. These would have included the “five dancing Israelis” as mentioned above. For obvious reasons, the Zionist Mukasey, disallowed any further examinations of the Israelis Here.

We Must Chase All Of These Miserable Zionist Jews Out Of Office
& Replace Them With Non-Zionist Christians Now!

http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=206

[gebello]

We Must Chase All Of These Miserable Zionist Jews Out Of Office
& Replace Them With Non-Zionist Christians Now!

Most christian evangelists are also zionists.

[runciter]

Most christian evangelists are also zionists.

yes, like most western political leaders :(

[ex sheep]

Your names not Jack by any chance, is it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-zoSnPwvKo&feature=channel_page

[lightgiver]

Becuase I have not seen enough proof that it was. I loath Bush and his anti-democratic cronies, but I do not believe they were behind 9-11. They are too stupid and incompetent to pull off something like that.

Just thought I would clear that up with the small army of frustrate thought police on this forum who demanded my opinion on 9/11.

Again, I do not beleive it was an Inside Job. More importantly, fuck 9-11. I am sick of hearing about it. The dead are buried and not coming back. Time to move on and deal with the issue which can be solved in the future.

That's all.

So what is your opinion then:confused: who do you think did it?

the dead and buried,which ones?

Thats it everyone forget,move on,i am sure bush said something similar at that UN speech,outrageous conspiracy theorists and the like,they would love you:p

well it looks like you are gonna get your wish,because most have forgot about it ,and couldn't give a shit about mass murder,after all the world is full of it.

The world as always turned a blind eye,because of the very attitude you are stating.

sorry if it pisses you off,but i for one cannot forget.

Think your in heaven but your living in hell,that is for sure.

Nesta Webster quotes a remarkable prophecy from the Essai sur la Secte des llluminés, made by the Marquis de Luchet, a liberal noble, at the very outset of the Revolution:

"Deluded people, ... learn that there exists a conspiracy in favour of despotism against liberty, of incapacity against talent, of vice against virtue, of ignorance against enlightenment … This society aims at governing the world ... its object is universal domination."

[kingmonkey]

Neither do I...I 'm beginning to have my doubts about the whole thing.

[noewhan]

The most likely theory is they just let it happen.

It doesn't matter though anyway, the evidence is gone.

According to the law... If I let you kill my family, with me having prior knowledge and some sort of beneficial gain, makes me an accessory to murder.

Inside job.

[lightgiver]

Neither do I...I 'm beginning to have my doubts about the whole thing.

so what are your doubts?or is it you are just bored and cannot take the pace.

Nick Rockefeller Revealed Elite Agenda to Aaron Russo During Friendship

http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/210207_rockefeller_friendship.html

I suppose you believe TPTB and everything you are told on TV,the drug of the nation.

Lightweights,next you will be joining the masons,or maybe you will be worshipping owls down at Bohemia with kissenger the butcher of Cambodia and co.

Have you no Stamina.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KTsXHXMkJA

Its time to taste what you most fear
Right guard will not help you here
Brace yourself, my dear

Its a holiday in cambodia
Its tough, kid, but its life
Its a holiday in cambodia
Dont forget to pack a wife

Youre a star-belly sneech
You suck like a leach
You want everyone to act like you
Kiss ass while you bitch
So you can get rich
But your boss gets richer off you

Well youll work harder
With a gun in your back
For a bowl of rice a day
Slave for soldiers
Till you starve
Then your head is skewered on a stake

Now you can go where people are one
Now you can go where they get things done
What you need, my son.

Is a holiday in cambodia
Where people dress in black
A holiday in cambodia
Where youll kiss ass or crack :p:p

Yes TELL LIE VISION.

[adbasque]

but I do not believe they were behind 9-11. They are too stupid and incompetent to pull off something like that.That's all.

Nobody ever accused them of being smart or clever
but if you don't believe it's an inside job could you please tell us what it was?

[adbasque]

Sometimes I think
people start threads just for the sake of it, and to get some attention or something similar.

[verndewd]

it doesnt matter that you dont buy it. facts and laws of physics state that its impossible for planes to do that. and silverstien wanted an easy way out of deconstructing the towers. Its impossible for planes to do what was done.

The problem is that people are afraid to deconstruct the programming, Its part ego and part fear, because the other side of that line is totally unknown.

liquid iron at the base? no friggen way in hell a plane could do that. and the wings penetrating thick steel? not gonna happen in real life.

[adbasque]

According to the law... If I let you kill my family, with me having prior knowledge and some sort of beneficial gain, makes me an accessory to murder.

Inside job.

What's the matter with you people, it was an inside job, a global job.
The family Bush is a family of Nazis.
Their grand father was a Nazi, Bush senior always talks about NWO, they are behind lot of Assassinations.

They are not just accessory to murder, they are behind it, no excuses.

I can't believe what I am reading!!
Some people here get bored and decide to change and have doubts, are you all gone crazy??
after what happened you guys still having doubts??
wake up people the NWO is a reality not fiction, 9/11 did happen for real and nothing to do with outsiders.
It was done from within, if it wasn't an inside Job, nobody could hit America the way it was hit.

people are gone mad, maybe the amount of fluoride has started to kick in now!!! Gez

[adbasque]

it doesnt matter that you dont buy it. facts and laws of physics state that its impossible for planes to do that. and silverstien wanted an easy way out of deconstructing the towers. Its impossible for planes to do what was done.

The problem is that people are afraid to deconstruct the programming, Its part ego and part fear, because the other side of that line is totally unknown.

liquid iron at the base? no friggen way in hell a plane could do that. and the wings penetrating thick steel? not gonna happen in real life.

Even if the planes hit the towers and didn't come down it's still an inside job
just like it happened in 1993, with the explosives in the basement.

No matter what happened, it's still an INSIDE JOB!!

So what is the point in debating what happened, it's been 8 years now, we know what happened now we need to make sure bigger things don't happen, like for example our own extermination.

What's wrong with everybody are you all gone crazy??

chew the same thing again and again, the truth has been established now, it's time to move on either bring them to justice, try and stop the NWO that is already in place.

This is NOT about USA and UK it's a bleeding global problem, it concerns the entire world, the 7 billion people on this planet!!

Wake Uppppppppppppppp!!!!

Sick of this nonsense, what more do you guys need?
the day they break your door and drag you by the hair to a concentration camp, gas you or put you in a lab as a guinea pig?

Or decide to wipe your entire family?
what the hell is wrong with everybody??
Gez!!!, I am so angry not at them at some people here and some stupid threads and useless comments!!

[verndewd]

chill dewd. I am not the enemy and am plenty awake and have been for years.

[noewhan]

http://www.ketabeto.com/images/Henry%20Kissinger.jpg

No no, 911 was carried out by Osama... You can trust Henry.

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=GOUZEyRdWasC
(Not the book above, but still about American foreign Policy)

[adbasque]

chill dewd. I am not the enemy and am plenty awake and have been for years.

I never said you are lol
I am just a little pissed off with some of the comments here.
but by saying, you are an "Accessory" to murder as if they didn't know anything about it
as if they had no choice
as if they are not the guilty ones
yes maybe they didn't deposit the bombs themselves, they didn't fly the planes themselves
but that doesn't make them accessory to murder, they are just guilty in the first degree
even with genocide.
and we are only counting the 9/11, we are not adding other things that they are guilty of
:)
I am cool, I hate reading nonsense

[verndewd]

I never said you are lol
I am just a little pissed off with some of the comments here.
but by saying, you are an "Accessory" to murder as if they didn't know anything about it
as if they had no choice
as if they are not the guilty ones
yes maybe they didn't deposit the bombs themselves, they didn't fly the planes themselves
but that doesn't make them accessory to murder, they are just guilty in the first degree
even with genocide.
and we are only counting the 9/11, we are not adding other things that they are guilty of
:)
I am cool, I hate reading nonsense

unfortunately opinion is freewill and as we know freewill is controlled by the media. We really have quite a large task in showing the blind the results of 8 years of engineering and architectural investigation from over 1000 voluntary truth seekers with better than average education.

Its hard to tell the willfully ignorant the truth , because they guard the lie with full belief and ego. Where they ascribe to false notions and outright lies they do so for fear and self protection, not for noble reasons of selflessness and objectivity.

[the itinerant shrubber]

Nobody knows the truth of the matter. Whether you blindly adhere to the official theory or the complicity theory,you're doing so out of faith and in the end you're just defending another dogmatic belief and trying to batter each other over the head with it. Even the people in the cockpit of the planes probably didnt know the full story.

All I know is that if it was that easy to fly planes into buildings,the terrorists would of done it a long time ago. In other words,the fact that it happened at all,is the strongest evidence to support the complicity theory.

[runciter]

you're doing so out of faith and in the end you're just defending another dogmatic belief


no, you only need faith to believe it wasn't a zionist false flag.

official theory or complicity theory? lol

complicity with whom?

[tusme]

All I know is that if it was that easy to fly planes into buildings,the terrorists would of done it a long time ago. In other words,the fact that it happened at all,is the strongest evidence to support the complicity theory.
Bingo!! Good post, Itinerant Shrubber..!! ;) :)

And imho, no different to the apparent "origins" of the HIV/AIDS virus in Africa, too...funny how the virus "waited" until the early 80's to start killing people...!? :eek:

[sedate_solution]

You're entitled to your opinion endlesvista, you say there isn't enough proof or evidence to support the inside job theory !

WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY ? ? ? ?

Me thinks you're a shill !

[endlessvista]

You're entitled to your opinion endlesvista, you say there isn't enough proof or evidence to support the inside job theory !

WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY ? ? ? ?

Me thinks you're a shill !


LOL!


Shouldn't you be on the overpopulation thread demanding a blood sacrifice of others so you can save the planet?

[sedate_solution]

LOL!


Shouldn't you be on the overpopulation thread demanding a blood sacrifice of others so you can save the planet?

I'm still there, i'm also here too !

[januspolanski]

Becuase I have not seen enough proof that it was. I loath Bush and his anti-democratic cronies, but I do not believe they were behind 9-11. They are too stupid and incompetent to pull off something like that.

Just thought I would clear that up with the small army of frustrate thought police on this forum who demanded my opinion on 9/11.

Again, I do not beleive it was an Inside Job. More importantly, fuck 9-11. I am sick of hearing about it. The dead are buried and not coming back. Time to move on and deal with the issue which can be solved in the future.

That's all.

Of course Bush didnt do it. He s probably not high enough up the hierachy to even know when it was happening. Cheney on the other hand........

If you havent seen enough proof then your either too stupid to realise the truth, in denial and cant accept the truth or you havent actually done any research.

[lightgiver]

http://www.ketabeto.com/images/Henry%20Kissinger.jpg

No no, 911 was carried out by Osama... You can trust Henry.

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=GOUZEyRdWasC
(Not the book above, but still about American foreign Policy)

That bastard should be in a prison:mad:

[adbasque]

That bastard should be in a prison:mad:

He was behind most assassination, the biggest whore of the Elite, including the arrest and execution of Charles Horman back in 1973, he sold him to Gustavo Pinochet.

Until today he still goes on, Only god knows how many crimes he was involved in
assassinations, crimes against humanity, true Zionist.

Til today they still trying to bring him to justice on many accusations, he did not once been in court.

Overwhelming evidence against him, including countless civil lawsuits.

Instead of taking him to court and find him Guilty as charged, no they give him a nobel peace prize, if that's not a joke

[onourwayto2012]

That more or less sums the whole 9/11 stuff up for me. I think the official story being a pack of lies is more about protecting the astounding incompetence of the US Government and Military on the day of 9/11 than hiding an inside job.

Bush and team made a mess of every single task they set out to achieve in 8 years. Hardly seems like criminal masterminds material to me. Bunch of stupid halfwits more like.

The dead are buried. Time to move on.

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha haha
yeah....... all these people(?) who have been trained/programmed to perform their jobs/tasks with near robotic unquestioning precision just all got a little mixed up that day..... maybe there was a HUGE party on 9/10 and they all had massive hangovers...... that silly military...should know better

[adbasque]

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha haha
yeah....... all these people(?) who have been trained/programmed to perform their jobs/tasks with near robotic unquestioning precision just all got a little mixed up that day..... maybe there was a HUGE party on 9/10 and they all had massive hangovers...... that silly military...should know better

I think the one that hasn't recovered from that hangover is endlessvista, nobody else :D lol

I am just laughing when I read his stuff, the problem is if he carrys on much like this he'll be believing his own delusion.

Debating things like these is utter waste of time.

[lightgiver]

He was behind most assassination, the biggest whore of the Elite, including the arrest and execution of Charles Horman back in 1973, he sold him to Gustavo Pinochet.

Until today he still goes on, Only god knows how many crimes he was involved in
assassinations, crimes against humanity, true Zionist.

Til today they still trying to bring him to justice on many accusations, he did not once been in court.

Overwhelming evidence against him, including countless civil lawsuits.

Instead of taking him to court and find him Guilty as charged, no they give him a nobel peace prize, if that's not a joke

Just goes to show how much Tyranny is in control and how messed up this world is.

Yes post is bob on.

Henry Kissinger WAR CRIMES:

http://www.zpub.com/un/wanted-hkiss.html

and 1 day before 911,

Moreover, on Sept. 10, 2001, a civil suit was filed in a Washington, D.C., federal court, charging Kissinger with murder. The suit, brought by the survivors of Gen. Rene Schneider of Chile, asserts that Kissinger gave the order for the elimination of this constitutional officer of a democratic country because he refused to endorse plans for a military coup. Every single document in the prosecution case is a U.S.-government declassified paper. And the target of this devastating lawsuit is being invited to review the shortcomings of the "intelligence community"?

a lot like the missing trillions forgot about at the pentagon a day before 911 in our apathetic world.

Kissinger's "consulting" firm, Kissinger Associates, is a privately held concern that does not publish a client list and that compels its clients to sign confidentiality agreements. Nonetheless, it has been established that Kissinger's business dealings with, say, the Chinese Communist leadership have closely matched his public pronouncements on such things as the massacre of Chinese students. Given the strong ties between himself, his partners Lawrence Eagleburger and Brent Scowcroft, and the oil oligarchies of the Gulf, it must be time for at least a full disclosure of his interests in the region. This thought does not seem to have occurred to the president or to the other friends of Prince Bandar and Prince Bandar's wife, who helped in the evacuation of the Bin Laden family from American soil, without an interrogation, in the week after Sept. 11.

and bush the puppet choose this pathetic wretch for the 911 investigation back in 2002.

How soon people forget eh, the I do not believe 911 was an inside job liars spreading dis information,counter intel pro agents.

[adbasque]

Just goes to show how much Tyranny is in control and how messed up this world is.

Yes post is bob on.

Henry Kissinger WAR CRIMES:

http://www.zpub.com/un/wanted-hkiss.html

and 1 day before 911,

Moreover, on Sept. 10, 2001, a civil suit was filed in a Washington, D.C., federal court, charging Kissinger with murder. The suit, brought by the survivors of Gen. Rene Schneider of Chile, asserts that Kissinger gave the order for the elimination of this constitutional officer of a democratic country because he refused to endorse plans for a military coup. Every single document in the prosecution case is a U.S.-government declassified paper. And the target of this devastating lawsuit is being invited to review the shortcomings of the "intelligence community"?

a lot like the missing trillions forgot about at the pentagon a day before 911 in our apathetic world.

Kissinger's "consulting" firm, Kissinger Associates, is a privately held concern that does not publish a client list and that compels its clients to sign confidentiality agreements. Nonetheless, it has been established that Kissinger's business dealings with, say, the Chinese Communist leadership have closely matched his public pronouncements on such things as the massacre of Chinese students. Given the strong ties between himself, his partners Lawrence Eagleburger and Brent Scowcroft, and the oil oligarchies of the Gulf, it must be time for at least a full disclosure of his interests in the region. This thought does not seem to have occurred to the president or to the other friends of Prince Bandar and Prince Bandar's wife, who helped in the evacuation of the Bin Laden family from American soil, without an interrogation, in the week after Sept. 11.

and bush the puppet choose this pathetic wretch for the 911 investigation back in 2002.

How soon people forget eh, the I do not believe 911 was an inside job liars spreading dis information,counter intel pro agents.

Henry Kissinger is one of the filthiest puppet the Elite has put in place, sometime I think, not only he is a puppet, but I believe he is higher in grade than he lead us to believe.

I believe he is a higher member in the pyramid of power, he is almost untouchable.
Since Nixon, even Nixon was not as powerful as him.
He is a true cold blooded killer, and he was and still is behind every conspiracy you can think of.

Monsanto
Global warming
Vietnam
WWII
Gulf war (1 & 2)
Afghan & Russian war
Iraq Iran war
Korean war
Afghan invasion
Not to mention the countless coups he prepared back in the 70s
and was heavily involved in them.
There are even rumours he was involved in JFK's assassination, with the Jesuits, the black pope and all of them.

Anyway he should be tried and put behind bars, with one bowl of water and dried bread for the rest of his life.

Does that ring the bell?

The time was September 11, 1973. The country was Chile. The event was the bloody overthrow of a democratic government. And the criminals were Henry Kissinger, Richard Nixon, The CIA, and Chilean Dictator Augusto Pinochet. Pepsico, ITT, and other large U.S. corporations were also guilty parties in these crimes against the State and against The People of Chile

[adbasque]

Becuase I have not seen enough proof that it was. I loath Bush and his anti-democratic cronies, but I do not believe they were behind 9-11. They are too stupid and incompetent to pull off something like that.

Just thought I would clear that up with the small army of frustrate thought police on this forum who demanded my opinion on 9/11.

Again, I do not beleive it was an Inside Job. More importantly, fuck 9-11. I am sick of hearing about it. The dead are buried and not coming back. Time to move on and deal with the issue which can be solved in the future.

That's all.

Just a coincidence mind you, nothing to worry about :)


According to the new book Kissinger, by Walter Isaacson, published in 1992 by Simon & Schuster, ASEA Brown Boveri (page 733) had a contract or project arrangement with Henry Kissinger’s money-making consulting firm, Kissinger Associates, in 1990. According to this fascinating book, Kissinger started his consultancy in July 1982 with “$350,000 lent to him by Goldman Sachs and a consortium of three other banks.” Some of the people Kissinger hired to work for him were Brent Scowcroft, former national security adviser, and Lawrence Eagleburger “who was lured aboard as president in June 1984 after serving as undersecretary of state”. Both Snowcroft and Eagleburger left Kissinger Associates in 1989 to join President Bush’s administration. Kent Associates is a subsidiary of Kissinger Associates. On pages 733-734 a list of some of Kissinger’s corporate clients include, aside from ABB: Shearson Lehman Hutton, Atlantic Richfield, Banca Nazionale del Lavora (BNL) “a Rome bank that made illegal loans to Iraq”; Fluor; Hunt Oil; Merck & Co.; Union Carbide




this was just a coincidence too :) not to worry

The time was September 11, 1973. The country was Chile. The event was the bloody overthrow of a democratic government. And the criminals were Henry Kissinger, Richard Nixon, The CIA, and Chilean Dictator Augusto Pinochet. Pepsico, ITT, and other large U.S. corporations were also guilty parties in these crimes against the State and against The People of Chile

[uncleruthless]

Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe


Global Research, April 3, 2009

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Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe

pp.7-31 (25)

Authors: Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones, Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley, Bradley R. Larsen

The Open Chemical Physics Journal

Volume 2

ISSN: 1874-4125

doi: 10.2174/1874412500902010007

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Abstract:

We have discovered distinctive red/gray chips in all the samples we have studied of the dust produced by the destruction of the World Trade Center. Examination of four of these samples, collected from separate sites, is reported in this paper. These red/gray chips show marked similarities in all four samples. One sample was collected by a Manhattan resident about ten minutes after the collapse of the second WTC Tower, two the next day, and a fourth about a week later. The properties of these chips were analyzed using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (SEM), X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS), and differential scanning calorimetry (DSC). The red material contains grains approximately 100 nm across which are largely iron oxide, while aluminum is contained in tiny plate-like structures. Separation of components using methyl ethyl ketone demonstrated that elemental aluminum is present. The iron oxide and aluminum are intimately mixed in the red material. When ignited in a DSC device the chips exhibit large but narrow exotherms occurring at approximately 430 °C, far below the normal ignition temperature for conventional thermite. Numerous iron-rich spheres are clearly observed in the residue following the ignition of these peculiar red/gray chips. The red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic.

Global Research Editor's Note

The definition of thermitic material:

A trademark used for a welding and incendiary mixture of fine aluminum powder with a metallic oxide, usually iron, that when ignited yields an intense heat.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2003. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

Thermite is a pyrotechnic composition of a metal powder and a metal oxide, which produces an aluminothermic reaction known as a thermite reaction. (Wikipedia)

What we are dealing with is the melting/ burning of metal structures.

“Metals are capable of burning under the right conditions, similarly to the combustion process of wood or gasoline. ... A thermite reaction is a process in which the correct mixture of metallic fuels are combined and ignited. Ignition itself requires extremely high temperatures.”

Readers can reach their own conclusions as to the far-reaching implications of these findings.

Although the authors do not address the broader issue of the 9/11 attacks, their findings have a direct bearing on the likely causes of the collapse of the WTC buildings on September 11, 2001. The findings also question the validity of the official report of the 911 Commission.

Below are selected excerpts of the article. Readers can also link to the complete text, by clicking the link

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EXCERPTS

INTRODUCTION

The destruction of three skyscrapers (WTC 1, 2 and 7) on September 11, 2001 was an immensely tragic catastrophe that not only impacted thousands of people and families directly, due to injury and loss of life, but also provided the motivation for numerous expensive and radical changes in domestic and foreign policy. For these and other reasons, knowing what really happened that fateful day is of grave importance.

A great deal of effort has been put forth by various government-sponsored and -funded investigations, which led, in large part, to the reports released by FEMA [1] and NIST [2]. Other studies of the destruction have been less well publicized but are no less important to the outstanding obligation that remains to the victims of that tragedy, to determine the whole truth of the events of that day [3-10]. A number of these studies have appropriately focused attention on the remaining physical material, and on available photographs and video footage, as sources of evidence still in public hands, relating to the method of destruction of the three skyscrapers.

CONCLUSIONS

We have discovered distinctive red/gray chips in significant numbers in dust associated with the World Trade Center destruction. We have applied SEM/XEDS and other methods to characterize the small-scale structure and chemical signature of these chips, especially of their red component. The red material is most interesting and has the following characteristics:

1. It is composed of aluminum, iron, oxygen, silicon and carbon. Lesser amounts of other potentially reactive elements are sometimes present, such as potassium, sulfur, lead, barium and copper.

2. The primary elements (Al, Fe, O, Si, C) are typically all present in particles at the scale of tens to hundreds of nanometers, and detailed XEDS mapping shows intimate mixing.

3. On treatment with methyl ethyl ketone solvent, some segregation of components occurred. Elemental aluminum became sufficiently concentrated to be clearly identified in the pre-ignition material.

4. Iron oxide appears in faceted grains roughly 100 nm across whereas the aluminum appears in thin platelike structures. The small size of the iron oxide particles qualifies the material to be characterized as nanothermite or super-thermite.

5. Analysis shows that iron and oxygen are present in a ratio consistent with Fe2O3. The red material in all four WTC dust samples was similar in this way. Iron oxide was found in the pre-ignition material whereas elemental iron was not.

6. From the presence of elemental aluminum and iron oxide in the red material, we conclude that it contains the ingredients of thermite.

7. As measured using DSC, the material ignites and reacts vigorously at a temperature of approximately 430 °C, with a rather narrow exotherm, matching fairly closely an independent observation on a known super-thermite sample. The low temperature of ignition and the presence of iron oxide grains less than 120 nm show that the material is not conventional thermite (which ignites at temperatures above 900 °C) but very likely a form of super-thermite.

8. After igniting several red/gray chips in a DSC run to 700 °C, we found numerous iron-rich spheres and spheroids in the residue, indicating that a very high temperature reaction had occurred, since the iron-rich product clearly must have been molten to form these shapes. In several spheres, elemental iron was verified since the iron content significantly exceeded the oxygen content. We conclude that a high-temperature reduction-oxidation reaction has occurred in the heated chips, namely, the thermite reaction.

9. The spheroids produced by the DSC tests and by the flame test have an XEDS signature (Al, Fe, O, Si, C) which is depleted in carbon and aluminum relative to the original red material. This chemical signature strikingly matches the chemical signature of the spheroids produced by igniting commercial thermite, and also matches the signatures of many of the microspheres found in the WTC dust [5].

10. The carbon content of the red material indicates that an organic substance is present. This would be expected for super-thermite formulations in order to produce high gas pressures upon ignition and thus make them explosive. The nature of the organic material in these chips merits further exploration. We note that it is likely also an energetic material, in that the total energy release sometimes observed in DSC tests exceeds the theoretical maximum energy of the classic thermite reaction.

Based on these observations, we conclude that the red layer of the red/gray chips we have discovered in the WTC dust is active, unreacted thermitic material, incorporating nanotechnology, and is a highly energetic pyrotechnic or explosive material.

(emphasis added)

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[verndewd]

I think the one that hasn't recovered from that hangover is endlessvista, nobody else :D lol

I am just laughing when I read his stuff, the problem is if he carrys on much like this he'll be believing his own delusion.

Debating things like these is utter waste of time.

if it werent for the sheep he could lead astray id agree 100%

[kingmonkey]

so what are your doubts?or is it you are just bored and cannot take the pace.

Nick Rockefeller Revealed Elite Agenda to Aaron Russo During Friendship

http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/210207_rockefeller_friendship.html

I suppose you believe TPTB and everything you are told on TV,the drug of the nation.

Lightweights,next you will be joining the masons,or maybe you will be worshipping owls down at Bohemia with kissenger the butcher of Cambodia and co.

Have you no Stamina.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KTsXHXMkJA

Its time to taste what you most fear
Right guard will not help you here
Brace yourself, my dear

Its a holiday in cambodia
Its tough, kid, but its life
Its a holiday in cambodia
Dont forget to pack a wife

Youre a star-belly sneech
You suck like a leach
You want everyone to act like you
Kiss ass while you bitch
So you can get rich
But your boss gets richer off you

Well youll work harder
With a gun in your back
For a bowl of rice a day
Slave for soldiers
Till you starve
Then your head is skewered on a stake

Now you can go where people are one
Now you can go where they get things done
What you need, my son.

Is a holiday in cambodia
Where people dress in black
A holiday in cambodia
Where youll kiss ass or crack :p:p

Yes TELL LIE VISION.

Posting a bunch of dead kennedy lyrics, calling me weak and accusing me of being brain washed or believing what i see on t.v is a cop out.

I'll tell you one reason i don't believe it, and that's because the controlled demolition theory doesn't seem right; with a controlled demolition, all the floors go at once. Watch the video, the twin towers quite clearly collapse from the impact point. I've seen the Aaron Russo video, and a thousand others like it. But nice try at ridiculing me into stepping back in line. I believe David Icke talks about similar strategies.

[joy division]

Becuase I have not seen enough proof that it was. I loath Bush and his anti-democratic cronies, but I do not believe they were behind 9-11. They are too stupid and incompetent to pull off something like that.

Just thought I would clear that up with the small army of frustrate thought police on this forum who demanded my opinion on 9/11.

Again, I do not beleive it was an Inside Job. More importantly, fuck 9-11. I am sick of hearing about it. The dead are buried and not coming back. Time to move on and deal with the issue which can be solved in the future.

That's all.


Dop you think it was bin laden then??

If so why is he not wanted for 9/11 on the fbi website?

go take a look for yourself.

peace

[skyfish]

Dop you think it was bin laden then??

If so why is he not wanted for 9/11 on the fbi website?

go take a look for yourself.

peace

He is wanted

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/fugitives.htm

[kingmonkey]

He is wanted

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/fugitives.htm

Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story!

That is a prime example of how much effort people go to to actually research the "facts" of the things they believe in. If something that easy to double check is overlooked, how much else can be?

[runciter]

He is wanted

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/fugitives.htm

now he is wanted, it seems... i wonder what has changed, in the meantime.

new evidence?

[runciter]

Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story!

That is a prime example of how much effort people go to to actually research the "facts" of the things they believe in. If something that easy to double check is overlooked, how much else can be?

now the fbi website seems to confirm the official story about bin laden's involvement.

if he was somehow involved, he must be a mossad agent, like some researchers suggest.

[kingmonkey]

if he was somehow involved, he must be a mossad agent, like some researchers suggest.

Why?

[runciter]

Why?

because the whole plot was an israeli false flag, and anyone involved worked for them.

[kingmonkey]

because the whole plot was an israeli false flag, and anyone involved worked for them.

How do you know it was an Israeli false flag?

[joy division]

He is wanted

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/fugitives.htm

Erm, were is the mention of 9/11 there?

Is that what this thread is about?


peace.

[endlessvista]

Dop you think it was bin laden then??

If so why is he not wanted for 9/11 on the fbi website?

go take a look for yourself.

peace

As you addressed me respectfully I will answer you.

Yes I think it was Islamic fanatics, BUT I have deep rooted suspicious that MOSSAD knew the attacks were coming and did not inform the US security services.

This explains the dancing MOSSAD agents on the top of the van slapping high fives. I also suspect the MOSSAD had no idea when the actual attack was going to take place, but they knew 'something' was coming and they stood off to see what happened. I do not think they even expected it to be as big as it was.

As for the buildings turning to dust and so on - well nothing like this ever happened in history before and we have nothing to compare it too.

I put it down to shoddy, experimental construction standards in the USA during the 1960's which was designing and building poor quality skyscrapers ASAP, and the entire construction of the WTC was unique, experimental and therefore you cannot say for certain that "it should of never come down like that!" - because no other buildings like that were ever hit with jets.

Building 7 came down because it's foundations was weakened by the two biggest building in the world crashing down next to is and the fire finished it off. Again, there is nothing to compare it to, so no one can say for certain it was a controlled explosion.

Bottom line; I do not for a second beleive the Bush administration had anything whatsoever to do with the 911 attacks. They should of did more to protect their citizens on the day, and this is why the offical report is so weird, all old fashioned ass-covering tactics for imcompetent polticians. So what else is new.

That's what I think based on all the evidence I have looked at.

[joy division]

MURDER OF U.S. NATIONALS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES; CONSPIRACY TO MURDER U.S. NATIONALS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES; ATTACK ON A FEDERAL FACILITY RESULTING IN DEATH

USAMA BIN LADEN




Aliases: Usama Bin Muhammad Bin Ladin, Shaykh Usama Bin Ladin, The Prince, The Emir, Abu Abdallah, Mujahid Shaykh, Hajj, The Director


DESCRIPTION

Date of Birth Used: 1957 Hair: Brown
Place of Birth: Saudi Arabia Eyes: Brown
Height: 6'4" to 6'6" Sex: Male
Weight: Approximately 160 pounds Complexion: Olive
Build: Thin Citizenship: Saudi Arabian
Language: Arabic (probably Pashtu)
Scars and Marks: None known
Remarks: Bin Laden is left-handed and walks with a cane.


CAUTION

Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks killed over 200 people. In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world.


REWARD

The Rewards For Justice Program, United States Department of State, is offering a reward of up to $25 million for information leading directly to the apprehension or conviction of Usama Bin Laden. An additional $2 million is being offered through a program developed and funded by the Airline Pilots Association and the Air Transport Association.

[kingmonkey]

As you addressed me respectfully I will answer you.

Yes I think it was Islamic fanatics, BUT I have deep rooted suspicious that MOSSAD knew the attacks were coming and did not inform the US security services.



I agree, they quite possibly knew. There were various U.S security personnel who knew of the hijacker's behaviour/movements as well, but din't share the info across departments with each other due to red tape. I'd trust the Israeli gov. about as much as I'd trust Bin Laden.

Bin Laden isn't wanted for 911 because there is no direct link or solid evidence, but there is plenty of evidence for the attacks mentioned.

[adbasque]

As you addressed me respectfully I will answer you.

Yes I think it was Islamic fanatics, BUT I have deep rooted suspicious that MOSSAD knew the attacks were coming and did not inform the US security services.

This explains the dancing MOSSAD agents on the top of the van slapping high fives. I also suspect the MOSSAD had no idea when the actual attack was going to take place, but they knew 'something' was coming and they stood off to see what happened. I do not think they even expected it to be as big as it was.

As for the buildings turning to dust and so on - well nothing like this ever happened in history before and we have nothing to compare it too.

I put it down to shoddy, experimental construction standards in the USA during the 1960's which was designing and building poor quality skyscrapers ASAP, and the entire construction of the WTC was unique, experimental and therefore you cannot say for certain that "it should of never come down like that!" - because no other buildings like that were ever hit with jets.

Building 7 came down because it's foundations was weakened by the two biggest building in the world crashing down next to is and the fire finished it off. Again, there is nothing to compare it to, so no one can say for certain it was a controlled explosion.

Bottom line; I do not for a second beleive the Bush administration had anything whatsoever to do with the 911 attacks. They should of did more to protect their citizens on the day, and this is why the offical report is so weird, all old fashioned ass-covering tactics for imcompetent polticians. So what else is new.

That's what I think based on all the evidence I have looked at.

Incredible

[adbasque]

I agree, they quite possibly knew. There were various U.S security personnel who knew of the hijacker's behaviour/movements as well, but din't share the info across departments with each other due to red tape. I'd trust the Israeli gov. about as much as I'd trust Bin Laden.

Bin Laden isn't wanted for 911 because there is no direct link or solid evidence, but there is plenty of evidence for the attacks mentioned.

When are you people going to wake up, next decade?

You are here debating, bin laden and mossad and you're missing the big picture, what's wrong with you all?

I cannot believe that you are actually still debating who's and who is NOT behind.

The same people who did 9/11 did all of the attacks prior to it and behind every genocide, behind every war, every conflict.

When are you finally going to grasp it?
Bin Laden is nothing but a CIA asset, you people dismissed all of the evidence that came to light since 2001.

Some are even just happy to stick it on "Muslims" you are unbelievable, and yet we wonder why the Elite still in power.

When I came to this forum I thought only people who are truly aware that frequented this Forum, but as I am discovering, for some people it doesn't matter what you put in front of their noses, they still want to believe the old crap they saw the first day.

How disappointing and very sad, extremely sad.
and yet they call themselves aware :D what a joke!
I simply cannot believe what I am reading

[adbasque]

As you addressed me respectfully I will answer you.

Yes I think it was Islamic fanatics, BUT I have deep rooted suspicious that MOSSAD knew the attacks were coming and did not inform the US security services.

Just like the Mossad was not involved in the 7/7 bombing, they only phoned Ben yamin NAtanyahu not to go out.

You people are an absolute joke :D
I can't believe these comments

[kingmonkey]

When are you people going to wake up, next decade?

I don't trust the truth movement almost as much as I don't trust tptb. "waking up" is an empty phrase which pretty much means "believe everthing" some researcher tells you.


You are here debating, bin laden and mossad and you're missing the big picture, what's wrong with you all?


The big picture is not that simple


I cannot believe that you are actually still debating who's and who is NOT behind.


I hardly ever come in the 911 section, but since I've begun to have doubts about the "evidence" for an inside job, I've started. I actually though people might be able to have a proper debate about it instead of just getting pissy because there are people doubting their position on it.


The same people who did 9/11 did all of the attacks prior to it and behind every genocide, behind every war, every conflict.


Don't believe that for a second. Human nature is complex and unpredicatable, there have been countless wars that have nothing whatsoever to do with illuminati.


Bin Laden is nothing but a CIA asset, you people dismissed all of the evidence that came to light since 2001.


Yes he was, and so have a million other people been in the history of the CIA. That doesn't mean he and all the others still work for them does it? The CIA are snakes who'll use anyone on any side to get what they want.If youy think it's as simple as "Bin Laden works for the CIA", you're naive.


Some are even just happy to stick it on "Muslims" you are unbelievable, and yet we wonder why the Elite still in power.


I agree, they probably are, but I suppose no muslims could possibly be guilty of anything could they? the "elite" are not the only evil people in the world. Do you think that groups like the taliban, mujahhadin etc. would just disappear overnight if western leadership or the illuminati collapsed? Do you think wahabbism would just die out?

When I came to this forum I thought only people who are truly aware that frequented this Forum, but as I am discovering, for some people it doesn't matter what you put in front of their noses, they still want to believe the old crap they saw the first day.


You mean you expected everyone to believe in every aspect of the "grand conspiracy" that you do without question? You can wave all the flawed evidence you want under my nose and try to make me believe it, but it doesn't mean I will. There are thousands of pages written on flawed theories and downright lies in the "truth" movement.


How disappointing and very sad, extremely sad.
and yet they call themselves aware :D what a joke!
I simply cannot believe what I am reading


My idea of being aware is to question things and investigate things without an ulterior motive or agenda, and that means both sides of an argument. Some people on this forum have already made their mind up about "reality" and have completely lost their ability to look at things critically.

[ronisron]

When are you people going to wake up, next decade?

You are here debating, bin laden and mossad and you're missing the big picture, what's wrong with you all?

I cannot believe that you are actually still debating who's and who is NOT behind.

The same people who did 9/11 did all of the attacks prior to it and behind every genocide, behind every war, every conflict.

When are you finally going to grasp it?
Bin Laden is nothing but a CIA asset, you people dismissed all of the evidence that came to light since 2001.

Some are even just happy to stick it on "Muslims" you are unbelievable, and yet we wonder why the Elite still in power.

When I came to this forum I thought only people who are truly aware that frequented this Forum, but as I am discovering, for some people it doesn't matter what you put in front of their noses, they still want to believe the old crap they saw the first day.

How disappointing and very sad, extremely sad.
and yet they call themselves aware :D what a joke!
I simply cannot believe what I am reading

The first post in this thread said " I didn't give it much thought, and I wasn't interested in reading any independent research on the web, I made up my own mind on this without ever really considering an alternative to the official story."

It's OK that some folks don't think 9/11 was an inside job. They'll never see it. There's lots out there. Luckily, there's lots more who can see discrepancies in the events as they unfolded, and as they were explained in the mainstream media. This thread seems really out of place on a 9/11 forum where folks already know it was an inside job, and are years past having any doubts about it.

Osama "Tim Osman" Bin Laden, CIA operative, whose family is handling all of the "rebuilding" in Iraq, lives in a cave, and commanded 19 "extremists", to hijack airliners with boxcutter knives, fly them into buildings on the same day that the US military was conducting drills involving hijacked airliners? OK. Sounds legit.

Flight 93 in Shanksville didn't leave a trace of a plane, and the crater that was said to be caused by the "crash" has been there since at leats 1994 according to USGS aerial shots. Nothing fishy there....

No plane at the Pentagon. Only plane crash where a plane flew parallel to the ground, didn't tear up any grass, or leave behind fusillage, tail, wings...... nothing. No bodies, luggage....nothing. AND No plane at the Pentagon immediately after the crash?? Wow. Nothing fishy there.

WTC 7 was not hit by an airliner, and coincidentally fell in exactly the same way, and fell top to bottom in less than 10 seconds after multiple explosions, just like the two towers did previously. Not to mention Larry Silverstein saying that he told the firemen to "pull it", or bring the building down. That means the building was prewired a couple of weeks in advance. Also, that thing with the BBC reporting it's collapse 23 minutes before it actually came down.... nothing weird about this.

8 of the alleged hijackers turned up alive less than a week after 9/11.... wow, that's lousy intelligence info I guess.

On and on....

You'd at least have to admit that the Official story is somewhat flawed, and a new investigation into "what really happened" that day is warranted. More than enough "reasonable doubt" of the official verdict.

[kingmonkey]

Just like the Mossad was not involved in the 7/7 bombing, they only phoned Ben yamin NAtanyahu not to go out.




He was warned minutes before it happened. They also diverted the bus minutes before it happened. Which sounds like they found out what was happening and tried to minmize the carnage.

I have a question: The security firm in question is owned by lukid members and ex mossad agents, which netanyahu has ties to; if these were involved, why would they make an obvious warning to netanyahu minutes before that would surely come out into the open? Why didn't he already know it was happening?

[runciter]

How do you know it was an Israeli false flag?

too many clues, too many zionists involved.

[adbasque]

I don't trust the truth movement almost as much as I don't trust tptb. "waking up" is an empty phrase which pretty much means "believe everthing" some researcher tells you.


I for one do not believe anything anyone tells me without tangible proof.
On a Tuesday when they attack happened, I was asleep coz I worked all night.
My wife woke me up she was all upset, initially she thought it was a horrible accident.
Her exact words were look at the real tower inferno, referring to the 70s movie.
As I opened my eyes watched those pictures, the first thing I said to her humm what was it an explosion ot something, she said no it was a plane slamming into the tower.

from that moment on believe it or not it's entirely up to you, I heard that it was a terrorist attack and then I knew, if it was a terrorist attack it's an inside job.

This is way before any truth seekers or any movement even started.
Why I knew it was an inside job? not thought but knew there's a slight difference there.

For one knowing how the airlines operate, second knowing that in the USA you cannot sneeze without them knowing, nevermind hijacking 4 airliners ;)

3rd was within seconds if a plane doesn't identify itself to the control towers he'll have two or 4 jet fighters on it's tail ready to blow him up.

because every flight has it's own path, it cannot just fly where the hell it pleases.
the other thing, is this kind of things won't even happen in a country with a less sophisticated technology, nevermind a country as powerful as the USA.




The big picture is not that simple

I never said it was, I have noticed that some people would go to any length to prove that it was an outside job and it'll be ideal for them to prove that it was the filthy Muslims that did it.

A lot of people couldn't and still can't come to term with the horrible truth.

because it scares the hell out of them, they prefer believe lies because it's easier to accept than the truth.
It's a psychological thing, it's like waking up one day and discover your own father is a serial killer, the man you looked up to as a role model, suddenly he is nothing but a sick individual.



I hardly ever come in the 911 section, but since I've begun to have doubts about the "evidence" for an inside job, I've started. I actually though people might be able to have a proper debate about it instead of just getting pissy because there are people doubting their position on it.


What one should do, is sieve through all the information, I know that in every conspiracy there are hundreds of opportunists coming out of the wood work.

But that doesn't dismiss the fact that it was and it's still is an inside job, with a whole range of groups and organisations involved on the "know basis" old technique.

from the top security officials, to the security organisations, to the white house, to the state department, to foreign entities and security agents, to Inssurance companies, to the demolition experts, and the list goes on.




Don't believe that for a second. Human nature is complex and unpredicatable, there have been countless wars that have nothing whatsoever to do with illuminati.

The conspiracies are at many levels, you will find for example that a corporation is part of the conspiracy, but it genuinly doesn't know much, it helped sometime unknowingly to push the plan forward without thinking ahead, all they are interested is to make money and the rest is not their concern.

I am sorry, but the Elite have been behind every war and conflict for as long as we can remember.



Yes he was, and so have a million other people been in the history of the CIA. That doesn't mean he and all the others still work for them does it? The CIA are snakes who'll use anyone on any side to get what they want.If youy think it's as simple as "Bin Laden works for the CIA", you're naive.

This is something we might never know the real truth, but it's still doesn't wash up.
I am convinced that it wasn't him nor any of his followers and Al-Quaeda did not exist, it was created in the same way, Intifadah, PLO, Hamas, Hezbolah were created and not to mention the old "terrorist" groups who were created during the vietnam and korean war, to divide Korea in to two segments.




I agree, they probably are, but I suppose no muslims could possibly be guilty of anything could they? the "elite" are not the only evil people in the world. Do you think that groups like the taliban, mujahhadin etc. would just disappear overnight if western leadership or the illuminati collapsed? Do you think wahabbism would just die out?

What makes you think that a muslim could not be guilty of anything?
a Muslim is nothing but a human being, some of them are good, some are angry, some are brainwashed, I never said that!

Don't put words in my mouth, I was talking about this particular conspiracy, that it was not a Muslim plot, maybe some Arabs were involved yes, but has nothing to do with Muslims.

If one lie is discovered in any official story it means there's a lot more to be revealed.

The towers vaporised, but they found an untouched passport :) right
some of the hijackers were found hundreds or thousands of miles away alive and kicking and then silenced for good.
and the evidence keeps mounting, and to be honest I don't need any of the above evidence, I simply know that it was an inside job


You mean you expected everyone to believe in every aspect of the "grand conspiracy" that you do without question? You can wave all the flawed evidence you want under my nose and try to make me believe it, but it doesn't mean I will. There are thousands of pages written on flawed theories and downright lies in the "truth" movement.


I am not here to force lies onto anyone, the evidence is common sense, and logic.
all of the so called evidence doesn't carry too much weight, as far as I am concerned The Bush family were directly or indirectly involved.

Especially Dick Cheney, I wouldn't say that Bush is a very intelligent man to even put his own tie on.




My idea of being aware is to question things and investigate things without an ulterior motive or agenda, and that means both sides of an argument. Some people on this forum have already made their mind up about "reality" and have completely lost their ability to look at things critically.

I totally agree with you here, that's how an investigation need to be conducted, you must approach any investigation with an open mind and be neutral.
In my case I am convinced it was an inside Job, and it was the old Elite's technique.

The same goes to 7/7 bombing, to the Madrid bombing, to the previous ones like the Paris underground bombing.
The evidence is out there, now we get to a point no matter what evidence you present some people are prepared to disregard any evidence, I bet even if they heard a full confession they still doubt.
That's the horrible truth

For instance could you tell me what is it that didn't convince you, why did you have doubts, what started your doubts and what kinds of doubts are you having?

Because it's easy just to say well I have doubts, you need to be more explicit.

[adbasque]

He was warned minutes before it happened. They also diverted the bus minutes before it happened. Which sounds like they found out what was happening and tried to minmize the carnage.

I have a question: The security firm in question is owned by lukid members and ex mossad agents, which netanyahu has ties to; if these were involved, why would they make an obvious warning to netanyahu minutes before that would surely come out into the open? Why didn't he already know it was happening?

The answer is simple, the operation is carried out at many levels, have you ever heard of "PLausible deniability"?
Yes for example Tony B'liar or Bush wouldn't know what's happening they simply know something will occur and they know of a plan, but as for the details, very few will know, and even that.

Sometimes the teams are seperated it's like actors, they are given scripts to follow, until the movie is completed then they can watch it in full, sometime an actor doesn't know what the other is doing.

They didn't discover anything, they knew, and to warn in the last minutes they don't want to risk jeopardise the whole operation.

[nayan]

Void, I absolutely agree with you. Nowadays, alot of people are distracted by wealth and entertainment, alot of selfishness too. I'm not some time it will pass over soon people start to realise.

I had a argument with my brother yesterday, he said 'If there was no money, no government, people would go crazy'. I replied saying 'money is not natural and people have been brainwashed', he then said 'it makes the world go around'. I didn't want to say much, I didn't want it to end up as a major conclusion.

[nayan]

I'm not so sure. I believe that the goodness of the west will prevail. Because the unselfish side of us all that has been missing for so long due to isolation from each other due to material wealth and entertainment, will likely return in the event of a collapse. After an initial period of utter chaos, panic, and violence, I reckon it could settle down into something actually quite a lot nicer in our cultures for each other than it has been for the last say 50 years or so.

Void, I absolutely agree with you. Nowadays, alot of people are distracted by wealth and entertainment, alot of selfishness too. I'm not some time it will pass over soon people start to realise.

I had a argument with my brother yesterday, he said 'If there was no money, no government, people would go crazy'. I replied saying 'money is not natural and people have been brainwashed', he then said 'it makes the world go around'. I didn't want to say much, I didn't want it to end up as a major conclusion.

[lightgiver]

Posting a bunch of dead kennedy lyrics, calling me weak and accusing me of being brain washed or believing what i see on t.v is a cop out.

I'll tell you one reason i don't believe it, and that's because the controlled demolition theory doesn't seem right; with a controlled demolition, all the floors go at once. Watch the video, the twin towers quite clearly collapse from the impact point. I've seen the Aaron Russo video, and a thousand others like it. But nice try at ridiculing me into stepping back in line. I believe David Icke talks about similar strategies.

So why throw away your Tell lie vision then,stop being ridiculous,who the hell did it then a bunch of sadist Saudis..

You are a cop out,bring your proof on who did it,instead of making silly childish comments.

Obviously you be lie ve the tele vision then.

The towers were designed to withstand several plane impacts.

It is you who are ridiculing people with nonsense<what about WTC7? fuck all hit that.

what about flight 93? the pentagon?

Where are all the plane evidence scraps being kept for forensic analysis,I could go on for a week but your theory is so weak and rather pathetic.

ever heard of mushrooms,because you are behaving like one.

[kingmonkey]

So why throw away your Tell lie vision then,stop being ridiculous,who the hell did it then a bunch of sadist Saudis..

Yes.

You are a cop out,bring your proof on who did it,instead of making silly childish comments.
There's loads of proof, I don't need to prove anything.

Obviously you be lie ve the tele vision then.No I don't. I don't believe the crap I read on the net either.

The towers were designed to withstand several plane impacts.I'm sure they were on paper. Things don't always play out the way they were planned.

what about WTC7? fuck all hit that.Apart from tons of debris from the twin towers.

what about flight 93? the pentagon?What about em?

Where are all the plane evidence scraps being kept for forensic analysis,I could go on for a week but your theory is so weak and rather pathetic.I dunno where it is. What do you mean "my theory"? I don't have one.

ever heard of mushrooms,because you are behaving like one.

:rolleyes:

[adbasque]

Yes.

There's loads of proof, I don't need to prove anything.

No I don't. I don't believe the crap I read on the net either.

I'm sure they were on paper. Things don't always play out the way they were planned.

Apart from tons of debris from the twin towers.

What about em?

I dunno where it is. What do you mean "my theory"? I don't have one.



:rolleyes:

I don't think you're a cop out, I think you are nothing but a little racist, you'd rather stick it on Saudis or any other people outside the United States then admitting it's an inside job, you're absolutely right, you don't have to prove anything.

The whole world knew it was an inside job from wednesday the 12 2001,
the proof is overwhelming.

People like you even if the people who did it come forward and say sorry we did it, you will still believe it's a bunch of guys living in a cave that pulled it,

it's because that's what you want to believe, JFK also was killed by the Russians and maybe the Saudis who knows?

It's embarassing if I were you, I would hide.
unless of course you are paid to be ridiculous on forums.
they must pay a lot, I don't think all the money in the world is enough for me to pass for an idiot.

Anyway I know websites like this one are full of spies.

your job is to create doubt in every situation when possible.
I visited several forums and there are few people like you.

:D anyway you can't even claim this is an argument, even a 6 year old would know you're a joke.

[flip side]

I don't think you're a cop out, I think you are nothing but a little racist, you'd rather stick it on Saudis or any other people outside the United States then admitting it's an inside job, you're absolutely right, you don't have to prove anything.

The whole world knew it was an inside job from wednesday the 12 2001,
the proof is overwhelming.

People like you even if the people who did it come forward and say sorry we did it, you will still believe it's a bunch of guys living in a cave that pulled it,

it's because that's what you want to believe, JFK also was killed by the Russians and maybe the Saudis who knows?

It's embarassing if I were you, I would hide.
unless of course you are paid to be ridiculous on forums.
they must pay a lot, I don't think all the money in the world is enough for me to pass for an idiot.

Anyway I know websites like this one are full of spies.

your job is to create doubt in every situation when possible.
I visited several forums and there are few people like you.

:D anyway you can't even claim this is an argument, even a 6 year old would know you're a joke.

Well said fella. :D

I'd like to see Kingmonkey refute the Nano Thermite explosives found in the dust as part of a scientific report led by Mr Harrit. Debunk that! :o

[tjohn]

I'm not convinced about anything to do with 9/11 full stop. That includes npt, controlled demo, Official story and the truth movement in general...The most likely theory is they just let it happen.

It doesn't matter though anyway, the evidence is gone.The evidence has not gone. Here's just two examples.

1) Buildings cannot fall from the top through thousands of tons of steel and concrete (the rest of the building), at anywhere near free-fall and that is fact. The only way it could happen is that the material is being blown out of the way as it falls and that is what we saw.

2) A plane cannot simply disappear as at Shanksville:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-59kouBgO_swww.youtube.com/watch?v=-59kouBgO_s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-59kouBgO_s)

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/Flight93Crash.jpg

How could the above be possible if they 'just let it happen'? Where's the plane? Do you see it?

The evidence has not gone away and it does matter. What they tell us about 9/11 are lies and lies are used to kill.

What happened on 9/11 is used to take away what little freedom we had and is the excuse to wage war on the world, killing (culling) countless numbers of people whom those behind 9/11 think they own.

If the deception of 9/11 is allowed to go unchallenged similar things can happen again and again, killing more people - so yes it does matter (or are you a complete Moron?). If you (still) think it doesn't matter I don't know what else to say to you (other than what would be took as an insult).

However, 9/11 opens up the can of worms to expose the corrupt system and is a wake-up call for many - as it was for me.

[adbasque]

The evidence has not gone. Here's just two examples.

1) Buildings cannot fall from the top through thousands of tons of steel and concrete (the rest of the building), at anywhere near free-fall and that is fact. The only way it could happen is that the material is being blown out of the way as it falls and that is what we saw.

2) A plane cannot simply disappear as at Shanksville:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-59kouBgO_swww.youtube.com/watch?v=-59kouBgO_s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-59kouBgO_s)



How could the above be possible if they 'just let it happen'? Where's the plane? Do you see it?

The evidence has not gone away and it does matter. What they tell us about 9/11 are lies and lies are used to kill.

What happened on 9/11 is used to take away what little freedom we had and is the excuse to wage war on the world, killing (culling) countless numbers of people whom those behind 9/11 think they own.

If the deception of 9/11 is allowed to go unchallenged similar things can happen again and again, killing more people - so yes it does matter (or are you a complete Moron?). If you (still) think it doesn't matter I don't know what else to say to you (other than what would be took as an insult).

However, 9/11 opens up the can of worms to expose the corrupt system and is a wake-up call for many - as it was for me.

These people saw the exact same evidence as you and me, but they still want to refute it, and claim there's no evidence, there's nothing more to say to them.

If we were in a court of law, the perpetrator(s) will be behind bars or in the gas chamber, where they should be, I am against death penalty but these people deserve to be burned alive.

Because that's exactly what they did to thousands of people, who didn't deserve to die that way, a horrific death. and add to that the ones they killed afterward, to silence them. like Barry Jennings and the two congressmen and the wife of one of them, and not to mention the ones, who were found with a "suicide" notes.

it's been 8 yeas man, and people like this either they will never wake up or they work for them.

To tell you the truth, not to brag about it, the day it happened I remember I worked night so I slept until my wife came up the stairs she put the TV on, as soon as I saw I asked her what it was.

She said a plane hit the twin towers, the first question mark went ding in my head.
I said why did the plane fly so low and nobody saw it coming? in the USA?
the second thing that went ding, I know a lot of people dismiss this, but I still maintain it until today.
Why were there people filming? since when you film fire fighters a 8:30 in the morning?
too convenient for my taste, and as soon as the second plane hit I said this is an inside job.

And then the first lie came to light, minutes after that, they suspected al-Quaeda?
no investigation, no preliminary investigation was carried and the media already suspects a "group".

Yes Al-Quaeda did it, who is al-quaeda? they are not who they made us believe.

And then the evidence started showing
:D a passport and a copy of the Quoran were found not far from the building? everything vaporised but these two documents were still intact??? hahahahah what a joke, if it wasn't sad I will laugh my head off.

Not to mention 20 minutes before the building 7 collapsed, the BBC reported it as it has collapsed and the building was clearly behind the reporter still standing?

We can go on and on and on and on, with bags of evidence and some morons claim, it's not enough?? or completely dismiss it?

Don't waste your time, I promise you, no matter what you put in front of them they will still dismiss it.

[flip side]

We can go on and on and on and on, with bags of evidence and some morons claim, it's not enough?? or completely dismiss it?

Don't waste your time, I promise you, no matter what you put in front of them they will still dismiss it.

True that. I hear people say stuff like 'it's too far fetched, too many people would have known to keep it secret' BUT WHAT ABOUT THE EVIDENCE? If you had a bank robbery and there were eye witnesses pointing out the perps, you had incriminating CCTV, you had finger prints, DNA, the works, the jury aren't going to turn around and say 'this could never be, bank robberies are too hard to pull off in the 21st century...not guilty'

If the evidence is presented and it's bullet proof, what more can you do? Some people just would rather stay in their comfort zone.

[vladmir]

"I Do Not Believe it was an Inside Job"
Ok.

[matrix911]

"I Do Not Believe it was an Inside Job"
Ok.

hannity, is that you?

[largejack]

I'm not convinced about anything to do with 9/11 full stop. That includes npt, controlled demo, Official story and the truth movement in general...The most likely theory is they just let it happen.

It doesn't matter though anyway, the evidence is gone.


Let it happen? Give me strength, how the hell could building 7 come down if they just let it happen. This is 3 year old stuff mate!

[tjohn]

These people saw the exact same evidence as you and me, but they still want to refute it, and claim there's no evidence, there's nothing more to say to them.......

We can go on and on and on and on, with bags of evidence and some morons claim, it's not enough?? or completely dismiss it?

True that. I hear people say stuff like 'it's too far fetched, too many people would have known to keep it secret' BUT WHAT ABOUT THE EVIDENCE?
..... Some people just would rather stay in their comfort zone.Thanks guys I think you're right, it could be a waste of time - but who knows? I don't argue about 9/11 as much as I did but I like to give people at least a chance to see what is in front of their eyes.

If something is not possible it's not possible and what happened at Shanksville makes it so obvious that we have been told lies. There's no need to go into the many details and get bogged down - if he can't see that there's no evidence of a plane at Shanksville what can we do?

Except perhaps suggest he has a brain transplant? lol

Seriously, it's not always people's fault they cannot see what some of us can - all of us are being dumbed down or made ill by one means or another - and that makes it all the more urgent we expose what is going on.

[tusme]

Let it happen? Give me strength, how the hell could building 7 come down if they just let it happen.
Exactly!! :)

Hmm, when logic fails people, I often wonder whether they "let it happen" or not...!? :D

[tjohn]

Becuase I have not seen enough proof that it was. I loath Bush and his anti-democratic cronies, but I do not believe they were behind 9-11. They are too stupid and incompetent to pull off something like that.

Just thought I would clear that up with the small army of frustrate thought police on this forum who demanded my opinion on 9/11.

Again, I do not beleive it was an Inside Job. More importantly, fuck 9-11. I am sick of hearing about it. The dead are buried and not coming back. Time to move on and deal with the issue which can be solved in the future.

That's all.http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=939158#post939158
endlessvista? Real simple for you. What don't you see there?

[kingmonkey]

Let it happen? Give me strength, how the hell could building 7 come down if they just let it happen. This is 3 year old stuff mate!

it was hit by tons of falling debris from the towers. Do You not think two 1300ft buildings collapsing aren't gonna damage a building that's only 400ft away from them?
Captain Chris Boyle:

A little north of Vesey I said, we ll go down, let s see what's going on. A couple of the other officers and I were going to see what was going on. We were told to go to Greenwich and Vesey and see what's going on. So we go there and on the north and east side of 7 it didn't look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didn't look good.
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/boyle.html

The south side of wtc7 was the one nearest the towers.





Deputy Chief Peter Hayden:

also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o'clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o'clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/hayden.html

[kingmonkey]

There's no need to go into the many details and get bogged down - if he can't see that there's no evidence of a plane at Shanksville what can we do?


What you mean, is there aren't any good pictures of evidence a plane crashed on 911.

What about dna, body parts, witnesses, plane parts..? Or were they all faked?

Well said fella. :D

I'd like to see Kingmonkey refute the Nano Thermite explosives found in the dust as part of a scientific report led by Mr Harrit. Debunk that! :o

Did you read the paper? Or just watch the youtube video?

They found the component elements of thermite (or nano thermite) in the wtc rubble, which is no proof of thermite itself...Do you know what's in thermite? Aluminium and rust! So they found iron oxide and aluminium dust in a wrecked building! Amazing, who'd have thought that!
You'll also find - if you read the paper, that they found other elements in the samples that are not present in thermite,like calcium. You know why? Because it wasn't thermite. The other elements they found are present in paint. The four samples they tested didn't even all match.

Apart from all that,if it was there how did they use it to blow up the wtc? tell me that...Where did they put it? Who put it there? How did they detonate it?

[dave52]

it was hit by tons of falling debris from the towers.

So why did building 7 fall straight down? If it had sustained damage from the other buildings it would have collapsed towards the damaged areas.

Even NIST shunned this idea and went for total collapse caused by fire because of the straight down anomaly...

[adbasque]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=939158#post939158
endlessvista? Real simple for you. What don't you see there?

Honest to god, you're wasting your time, these people will never admit, they are trying to make facts out of the thin air, just like our current currencies.

They know where the truth is, attention seekers nothing more.

[kingmonkey]

So why did building 7 fall straight down? If it had sustained damage from the other buildings it would have collapsed towards the damaged areas.

Even NIST shunned this idea and went for total collapse caused by fire because of the straight down anomaly...

I don't know, But that doesn't mean I should automatically assume on there being foul play. I'm not an expert on collapsing buildings...But then again, neither are most people in the 911 truth movement. I do know that the fire teams "pulled" building 7; which means they used cables to steer it into a particular collapse area (which is a fact the truth movement loves to steer you away from). They could've done this so it didn't collapse into the wtc tower rubble in case there were survivors. But I'm just guessing at this being the reason for pulling it.

[tusme]

The south side of wtc7 was the one nearest the towers.
Technically, that may be true...but, Building 7 itself was the furtherest of all the World Trade Center buildings from Towers 1 & 2...

http://www.911dispatch.com/preparedness/tradecenter.gif

[kingmonkey]

Technically, that may be true...but, Building 7 itself was the furtherest of all the World Trade Center buildings from Towers 1 & 2...




Yes it was, 400ft (actually, it was 355 feet) away, but what's your point? That the debris from the towers couldn't reach it?

[dave52]

I don't know

Well neither do NIST, so your in good company. NIST also appear to be making shit up...

[tusme]

Yes it was, 400ft away, but what's your point? That the debris from the towers couldn't reach it?
My point...!? :confused:

That, Twin Tower debris hit all the surrounding buildings, yet not one of those buildings fell in their own footprint...as Building 7 did...!?

[kingmonkey]

My point...!? :confused:

That, Twin Tower debris hit all the surrounding buildings, yet not one of those buildings fell in their own footprint...as Building 7 did...!?


Buildings 5 and 6 were closer true, but they didn't fall down because they were structurally, completely different buildings...they were lower and wider, so would have less stress to hold up if any floors etc. gave way.

Building 7 was "pulled" into it's own footprint by the fire crews, otherwise it would have leaned into the worst of it's damage and possibly brought down the adjacent building or fell backwards.


Damage to sw corner:

http://www.rense.com/general65/WTC7_sw_after_1.jpg

That damage you can see, is maybe 15/18 floors high...The building itself is over 40, so there's over 20 floors all bearing weight onto the weaker bottom corner of a fire damaged building.

[tusme]

Buildings 5 and 6 were closer true, but they didn't fall down because they were structurally, completely different buildings...they were lower and wider, so would have less stress to hold up if any floors etc. gave way.

Building 7 was "pulled" into it's own footprint by the fire crews
Hmm, so now the "fire crew's" to blame...!? :eek:

But you just said, "falling debris from the Twin Towers brough it down"...!? :confused:

[kingmonkey]

Hmm, so now the "fire crew's" to blame...!? :eek:

What the hell are you talking about?

No they're not to blame; they did what they were meant to do. Or do you still think "pull" means to "blow up"??


But you just said, "falling debris from the Twin Towers brough it down"...!? :confused:Ultimately they did. It was damaged to the point where the fire crews had to abandon the building and then "pull" it. Why is that so difficult to understand?

What "pull" really means; Building 6 pulled video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uxlrcQL5Dk&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.debunking911.com%2Fpull.htm&feature=player_embedded

[sidlittle]

Buildings 5 and 6 were closer true, but they didn't fall down because they were structurally, completely different buildings...they were lower and wider, so would have less stress to hold up if any floors etc. gave way.

Building 7 was "pulled" into it's own footprint by the fire crews, otherwise it would have leaned into the worst of it's damage and possibly brought down the adjacent building or fell backwards.


Damage to sw corner:

http://www.rense.com/general65/WTC7_sw_after_1.jpg

That damage you can see, is maybe 15/18 floors high...The building itself is over 40, so there's over 20 floors all bearing weight onto the weaker bottom corner of a fire damaged building.


Christ, not that BS, obviously photoshopped image again !


Here, you're pushing a fake..


http://i43.tinypic.com/2la3muv.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/10s69o2.jpg

[tusme]

Buildings 5 and 6 were closer true, but they didn't fall down because they were structurally, completely different buildings...they were lower and wider, so would have less stress to hold up if any floors etc. gave way.

Building 7 was "pulled" into it's own footprint by the fire crews, otherwise it would have leaned into the worst of it's damage and possibly brought down the adjacent building or fell backwards.


Damage to sw corner:

http://www.rense.com/general65/WTC7_sw_after_1.jpg

That damage you can see, is maybe 15/18 floors high...The building itself is over 40, so there's over 20 floors all bearing weight onto the weaker bottom corner of a fire damaged building.
Your theory doesn't make sense, and I'm afraid, using the structural difference of the buildings, to me anyway, is an excuse...unfortunately!!

Ok, whatever you or I claim to have happened to Building 7...mind telling us why the Official Story was completely devoid of anything relating to Building 7...!?

[flip side]

What you mean, is there aren't any good pictures of evidence a plane crashed on 911.

What about dna, body parts, witnesses, plane parts..? Or were they all faked?



Did you read the paper? Or just watch the youtube video?

They found the component elements of thermite (or nano thermite) in the wtc rubble, which is no proof of thermite itself...Do you know what's in thermite? Aluminium and rust! So they found iron oxide and aluminium dust in a wrecked building! Amazing, who'd have thought that!
You'll also find - if you read the paper, that they found other elements in the samples that are not present in thermite,like calcium. You know why? Because it wasn't thermite. The other elements they found are present in paint. The four samples they tested didn't even all match.

Apart from all that,if it was there how did they use it to blow up the wtc? tell me that...Where did they put it? Who put it there? How did they detonate it?

I did read the paper yes. Please dont make assumptions. Just a quick wiki search will demonstrate that calcium is indeed associated with thermite:

Thermites can be a diverse class of compositions. The fuels are often aluminium, magnesium, calcium, titanium, zinc, silicon, and boron. The oxidizers can be boron(III) oxide, silicon(IV) oxide, chromium(III) oxide, manganese(IV) oxide, iron(III) oxide, iron(II,III) oxide, copper(II) oxide, and lead(II,II,IV) oxide. [1]

Which also states:

The most common thermite is aluminium-iron(III) oxide.

So I dont really know what your logic is on this. You're saying that because aluminium iron oxide was found in abundance it doesn't mean it's thermite although that's what thermite is by definition. Clutching at straws perhaps?

Your science is that you seem to be suggesting nothing more than coincidental aluminium iron oxide and paint. You obviously didn't read the paper. They found unreacted thermite and they found iron oxide which is a product of reacted thermite. So we have unreacted nano thermite (red chips) AND reacted thermite: iron oxide. Do you get that? Reacted and unreacted thermite.

My conclusion is that you are talking nonsense, you are trying to cause doubt in people's mind to irrefutable facts by pretending you read the report and came up with some really bad arguments about calcium and paint. Wow what a surprise paint was found in a building? What's your point on that? Do you think these scientists dont know how to differentiate between paint and thermite?

You ask me how they blew up the wtc? The evidence points towards pre rigged buildings with nano thermite, triggered with explosions. You must have heard the scores of eye witnesses reporting explosions? You ask questions like who put it there? I mean, come on you want me to name the precise people? I DONT KNOW! That's why a new unbiased investigation is needed. We need these questions answers, we dont hold all the answers. But we certainly have an undeniably STRONG CASE.

[tusme]

What the hell are you talking about?

No they're not to blame; they did what they were meant to do. Or do you still think "pull" means to "blow up"??
Well, keep the "fire crew" out of this then...!! Otherwise, I'll take you're using them to "muddy the waters"...

Ultimately they did. It was damaged to the point where the fire crews had to abandon the building and then "pull" it. Why is that so difficult to understand?
Nothing difficult to understand...just your reluctance to acknowledge that Building 7 is the "smoking gun"...

What "pull" really means; Building 6 pulled video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uxlrcQL5Dk&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.debunking911.com%2Fpull.htm&feature=player_embedded

I'm not going to get into a mud-slinging match over the technicalities of the meaning of "pull it"...Silverstein is a crook...!!

[kingmonkey]

I did read the paper yes. Please dont make assumptions. Just a quick wiki search will demonstrate that calcium is indeed associated with thermite:

Thermites can be a diverse class of compositions. The fuels are often aluminium, magnesium, calcium, titanium, zinc, silicon, and boron. The oxidizers can be boron(III) oxide, silicon(IV) oxide, chromium(III) oxide, manganese(IV) oxide, iron(III) oxide, iron(II,III) oxide, copper(II) oxide, and lead(II,II,IV) oxide. [1]

Which also states:

The most common thermite is aluminium-iron(III) oxide.

So I dont really know what your logic is on this. You're saying that because aluminium iron oxide was found in abundance it doesn't mean it's thermite although that's what thermite is by definition. Clutching at straws perhaps?


You're making the mistake of saying, "aluminium iron oxide", as though it's one thing. All thermite is, is aluminium dust and iron oxide (rust) mixed together.

Your science is that you seem to be suggesting nothing more than coincidental aluminium iron oxide and paint. You obviously didn't read the paper. They found unreacted thermite and they found iron oxide which is a product of reacted thermite. So we have unreacted nano thermite (red chips) AND reacted thermite: iron oxide. Do you get that? Reacted and unreacted thermite.
No, i'm not saying "and paint", i'm saying the iron oxide was in paint (as red pigment) used on the wtc, and the aluminiuim dust came from the debris.

Unreacted thermite? What's that then? It's just thermite. And all nano thermite is, is thermite where the particles of the ingredients are under or at 100nm in size.

Iron oxide is not a product of reacted thermite, it's a part of thermite full stop, you just said that yourself:

...The oxidizers can be boron(III) oxide, silicon(IV) oxide, chromium(III) oxide, manganese(IV) oxide, iron(III) oxide, iron(II,III) oxide, copper(II) oxide, and lead(II,II,IV) oxide. [1]So which one is it? Is it a part of thermite or reacted thermite???

Look at this picture; it's red because of the iron oxide, the same thing they use to colour red paint.

It also even says under the picture "a thermite mixture, using iron oxide". Mixture meaning ready to use, ie: unreacted. So therefore, iron oxide is not a product of reacted thermite.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/Thermite_mix.jpgMy conclusion is that you are talking nonsense, you are trying to cause doubt in people's mind to irrefutable facts by pretending you read the report and came up with some really bad arguments about calcium and paint. Wow what a surprise paint was found in a building? What's your point on that? Do you think these scientists dont know how to differentiate between paint and thermite?O.K, calcium was a bad example, try potassium instead. I don't know if those scientists know the difference, but the fact that they had their paper published in a "vanity journal" that you have to pay to have your work published is pretty suspect. Probably because the scientists and publications who can tell the difference between thermite and paint wouldn't touch the paper with a ten foot stick.

[kingmonkey]

Well, keep the "fire crew" out of this then...!! Otherwise, I'll take you're using them to "muddy the waters"...

O.K. Lets just completely ignore the fact that the fire crews did exactly what they were meant to do, exactly the way they were meant to do it and were first hand witnesses at the scene. Great.

Nothing difficult to understand...just your reluctance to acknowledge that Building 7 is the "smoking gun"...Pointless comment.


I'm not going to get into a mud-slinging match over the technicalities of the meaning of "pull it"...Silverstein is a crook...!!You know as well as I do how much focus the truth movement put on the meaning of this "pull it" phrase...Which is precisely why you're ducking out and not addressing the issue.

[tusme]

You know as well as I do how much focus the truth movement put on the meaning of this "pull it" phrase...Which is precisely why you're ducking out and not addressing the issue.
I don't know the "truth movement", and neither do I care what they're doing...they're gatekeepers, as far as I'm concerned...just like you are, unfortunately!!

I'm not ducking anything...on the contrary, it is you who seems to be doing the "ducking"...I still await your answer, as to the reason the Official Story is devoid of any Building 7 related information...!? :confused:

[kingmonkey]

I don't know the "truth movement", and neither do I care what they're doing...they're gatekeepers, as far as I'm concerned...just like you are, unfortunately!!

I'm not ducking anything...on the contrary, it is you who seems to be doing the "ducking"...I still await your answer, as to the reason the Official Story is devoid of any Building 7 related information...!? :confused:

Here we go again; gatekeeper, spy, shill, idiot, brainwashed etc. etc. - Boring and predictable.

What do you think it should say about building 7?

[ronisron]

Wow...:eek:

Quote Larry -- "we...they made the decison to pull, and we watched the building collapse"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYdAJQV100

In approx 10 seconds, top to bottom. Except 7 wasn't hit by any airplane. These are fire coded, steel and concrete buildings with gyproc walls, and office furniture. NO resistance. And there were no workers with cables and guide wires!! :rolleyes: Just multiple explosions, the center caved in, and the building fell. Just like a controlled demo, just like the North and South towers.

There is also the smoking gun of the BBC practicing their heartfelt story of how 7 collapsed 23 minutes before it did. The thing is, since Larry admitted it was a controlled demo, that means the building was pre wired well ahead of 9/11. Since it fell straight down after multiple explosions, after a request to "Pull It" was given, and the WTC towers also fell straight down after multiple explosions in approx. 10 seconds (into their own footprints), it's safe to assume they were demo'd as well. It also requires that they were pre wired well in advance of 9/11.

They could've had Dumbya say "The terrorists somehow invaded the WTC's and prewired them with explosives -- that's why they fell like they did", but they didn't. They instead made up a BS cover story that's really easy to pick apart. Pancake theory?? Ridiculous, and doesn't account for the core beams, which would've still been standing. Or for the 2 heavily reinforced cross sections that divided the buildings into 3 large sections.

- Larry said pull it, and they watched it collapse. Self explanatory given how the building fell.
- The BBC reported on 7 falling 23 minutes before it fell. Oops!
- Controlled Demolition Inc did the cleanup at the WTC's; none of the core beams measured longer than 30 ft., all were cut. Those things don't just snap..... if that was the case, all skyscrapers are at risk of falling with any shift of the load bearing properties near the top.... but we know that all buildings like that have wind sway and things like that factored in to their design. In the case of the WTC's, they were built to withstand the impact of a fully loaded 707 as well. Frank De Martini said he thought they could handle multiple impacts, with the planes hitting the steel grid and going through not unlike "a pencil puncturing the screen netting."

That was a big chance they took with buildings that size; they hadn't been evacuated, cleaned out and stripped in advance. They could've just broke apart and toppled into the streets and other buildings. They didn't.... they went straight down into their own footprints, just like the experts who set it up knew they would. Kudos to them on their "success".

[tusme]

Here we go again; gatekeeper, spy, shill, idiot, brainwashed etc. etc. - Boring and predictable.
Well, it's actually people like you who are being boring and predictable, attempting to deny Truth from expressing itself...re, 9/11...

Like the perpetrators (of 9/11) deserve to be brought to justice, so to do people like you...!! Co's let's face it, that's how they deal with "terrorists" and their supporters, don't they...!? Well then, lets have some consistency...!?

What do you think it should say about building 7?
Well, you tell us...!?

For everything you're saying, why is it you can't bring yourself to at least admit, the Official Story is an attempted "controlled demolition of the Truth"...hey!? :confused:

[adbasque]

Buildings 5 and 6 were closer true, but they didn't fall down because they were structurally, completely different buildings...they were lower and wider, so would have less stress to hold up if any floors etc. gave way.

Building 7 was "pulled" into it's own footprint by the fire crews, otherwise it would have leaned into the worst of it's damage and possibly brought down the adjacent building or fell backwards.


Damage to sw corner:


That damage you can see, is maybe 15/18 floors high...The building itself is over 40, so there's over 20 floors all bearing weight onto the weaker bottom corner of a fire damaged building.

You obviously won't back down, ok, the debris fell on the building 7 and wow bang wallup the whole building collapsed on it's foot print.

Why did the BBC report that the Building 7 has collapsed 20 minutes before it acctually happen, and then they tried to withdraw it, but it was far too late??

I've had just about enough of this garbage now

[skunksmash]

Becuase I have not seen enough proof that it was. I loath Bush and his anti-democratic cronies, but I do not believe they were behind 9-11. They are too stupid and incompetent to pull off something like that.

Just thought I would clear that up with the small army of frustrate thought police on this forum who demanded my opinion on 9/11.

Again, I do not beleive it was an Inside Job. More importantly, fuck 9-11. I am sick of hearing about it. The dead are buried and not coming back. Time to move on and deal with the issue which can be solved in the future.

That's all.


cmon mate....:rolleyes:

yes, bush is thick as s**t but the guys behind him are VERY knowledgeable, & the guys backing them are at the top of the food chain, so it is more than fair to assume that this plan was hatched on American soil... whether American security services were involved is another question..

they no doubt subbed out the work to ''Mossad'' or the ''CIA'', giving them the Vail of ''plausible denyability''

either way the shadow council to the president were involved ''first hand'' & if not they were aware of the attack....IMO





:)SK

[adbasque]

So
Yeah, let's just say we can't run things, rather than we can run them but some are power mad greedy buggers near the top. The inside job is the inner corruption through greed.

The American/English will be the suicide bombers of the future. When you got no jobs left, because all the greedy buggers have gone for better profits elsewhere, and your system collapses, you'll blow yourself up in a crowded market somewhere in a Chinese town.

Indeed, very conveniently, all of sudden, the "most" powerful countries in the world, were attacked by people with far less sophisticated weapons, like home made bombs.

And now they can invade their airspace, change flight path in midway, slam into the twin towers, and 20 or 30 minutes later another plane hit another tower.
And yet the most powerful country in the world, with the latest technology at it's disposal couldn't prevent it???

And a country like Britain, again conveniently couldn't prevent the 7/7 bombing the country that has more cctv cameras than any other nation on the planet.

Not to mention the secret services that were supposed to protect us.
while in fact they are the terrorists.

And now we get these people, saying they didn't see enough evidence.

My question to them, go on name your evidence I will find it for you, I mean the thing that will convince you.

But the truth is, they refuse to be convinced, no matter what you present as evidence, they will disregard it, the head in the sand.

[lightgiver]

Yes.

There's loads of proof, I don't need to prove anything.

No I don't. I don't believe the crap I read on the net either.

I'm sure they were on paper. Things don't always play out the way they were planned.

Apart from tons of debris from the twin towers.

What about em?

I dunno where it is. What do you mean "my theory"? I don't have one.



:rolleyes:

yes you are the missing link:p or the weakest.

Believe you me mate I have researched and watched and seen enough shit to realise this mega ritual was an inside job.

I just wish it wasn't but it was,ask yourself why there are no serious debates in the MSM,because the MSM is well owned also,and if this was to come out to the general public(the truth) then it may mean the end of their tiny little pyramid control of the masses.

Come on mate wakey wakey.

[dave52]

Throw Away Your Tell-lie-visioN

Unless it's telling you about 9/11 - then suck it up... suck it all up.. You fucking love it...

[adbasque]

yes you are the missing link:p or the weakest.

Believe you me mate I have researched and watched and seen enough shit to realise this mega ritual was an inside job.

I just wish it wasn't but it was,ask yourself why there are no serious debates in the MSM,because the MSM is well owned also,and if this was to come out to the general public(the truth) then it may mean the end of their tiny little pyramid control of the masses.

Come on mate wakey wakey.

I am almost certain, they will admit it in 30 or 40 years time, when they know all the guilty parties involved are already dead, it will then be declassified.

If you look back a lot of things that happened 30/40/60 years ago came to light as it was a conspiracy from JFK to Nakazaki and Hiroshima, Vietnam war, Peral Harbour and so on
but at the time they happened very few people were suspicious and the few who were suspicious either they died or got corrupted or silenced with other means.

They like to brag about things like these, it's the way to show their power, they know the intelligent people will grasp it, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it as you are very few, we've got the sheeple where we want them.

If we live long enough you'll see, but it could also happen before then, because their agenda is almost complete, once the world government is in place, we all gonna be under the umbrella of fascism they will anonce it openly.

And if you try to say anything you'll end up in a lab for experiments or simply put to death.

[tjohn]

http://www.rense.com/general65/WTC7_sw_after_1.jpg

Of course I don't have to say this, it's so obvious - if that picture is real then why did the building come down vertically and not to one side? It doesn't make sense unless it was demolished to come straight down. But I guess there must be some illogical 'logical' explanation for it.

[adbasque]

Of course I don't have to say this, it's so obvious - if that picture is real then why did the building come down vertically and not to one side? It doesn't make sense unless it was demolished to come straight down. But I guess there must be some illogical 'logical' explanation for it.

Look all these people seem to forget one crucial element of this whole story
Just before they came down, people where poisitive they heard explosions

before the buildings came down.

The demolition technique, sometimes they use the explosions to weaken the structure of the building and then they blew up the rest so it can come down on it's foot print.

And we know from history that Buildings like the Twin Towers do NOT collapse because of the heat or fire.

Other buildings a lot less stronger could resist blazing fires for days not hours DAYS!!! and they did NOT collapse.

But people please please !! why are you debating, can't you see that some people here are deliberately trying to plant doubts in your minds, to create a doubt.

If we lived in a world of Justice these criminals would be behind bars by now, but because they own the damn planet (because we let them) they can do whatever the hell they want.

You want me to tell you the truth?

I swear to GOD even if they come out and say openly hey guys we did it, do you think that anyone would do something about it?

No, we all are going to sit back with our mouths wide open, and do sweet FA about it.

Anytime they can call our bluff, and come out in the open and say yes we did it and did other things, what are you going to do about it?

[kingmonkey]

Why did the BBC report that the Building 7 has collapsed 20 minutes before it acctually happen, and then they tried to withdraw it, but it was far too late??



I don't know. But if it was an inside job, why would the BBC need to know about it in the first place? Surely the less people who know the better; what possible benefit could there be from telling the BBC? Inside job or not, all they'd have to do is turn up and report what was happening.

I don't believe this matters either way, whether you think it was an inside job or not.It was probably a fuck up on their part.

[adbasque]

I don't know. But if it was an inside job, why would the BBC need to know about it in the first place? Surely the less people who know the better; what possible benefit could there be from telling the BBC? Inside job or not, all they'd have to do is turn up and report what was happening.

I don't believe this matters either way, whether you think it was an inside job or not.It was probably a fuck up on their part.

If the BBC knew in advance it proves it's an inside job, because the same people who control the BBC who pulled 9/11 and 7/7, the madrid Bombing, the afghan war, the Iraq war, Israel, the credit crunch, chemtrail.

They are all the same people.

You fail to see the link, why don't you tell us who did and how they did it?

You need to counter every single evidence presented to you. not with "I don't know"
Somebody who claims something should know, don't you think?

If you go to a tribunal and say to the jury I don't think it's an inside Job, they will ask you, what is your evidence?

Are you going to say well I don't know exactly I just have a gut feeling it's not them??

the truth always always matters, no matter how bitter it is.

[tusme]

Inside job or not, all they'd have to do is turn up and report what was happening.
Well they turned up alright...question is, did they really report what was happening...!? :confused:

Mate, you're telling us to "turn off our tele's", but I noticed, your's may still be ON...!?

[kingmonkey]

If the BBC knew in advance it proves it's an inside job, because the same people who control the BBC who pulled 9/11 and 7/7, the madrid Bombing, the afghan war, the Iraq war, Israel, the credit crunch, chemtrail.

They are all the same people.

You fail to see the link, why don't you tell us who did and how they did it?

You need to counter every single evidence presented to you. not with "I don't know"
Somebody who claims something should know, don't you think?

If you go to a tribunal and say to the jury I don't think it's an inside Job, they will ask you, what is your evidence?

Are you going to say well I don't know exactly I just have a gut feeling it's not them??

the truth always always matters, no matter how bitter it is.

Yeah, but that still doesn't explain... Why would they need to know it was an inside job at reporter level? It makes no sense.if you were gonna blow up the wtc, you wouldn't need to tell the press. All they would need to do would be to turn up and report on what they saw, which would be the towers apparently blown up by terrorists. There's no reason whatsoever that they would tell the reporters about it. If they did know in advance, it'd just be more people who could fuck it up, something like blurting out one of the buildings fell down when it hadn't.


Well they turned up alright...question is, did they really report what was happening...!? :confused:

Mate, you're telling us to "turn off our tele's", but I noticed, your's may still be ON...!?

I don't have a T.V.

The only reason the msm would need to be in on it,at least at reporting level, is if there were no planes.I don't believe that for a second.

[tusme]

I don't have a T.V.

The only reason the msm would need to be in on it,at least at reporting level, is if there were no planes.I don't believe that for a second.
Well, in that case, perhaps you need to get yourself one...!!

Co's the BBC, reporting a LIE (re, Building 7) across the television frequencies on 9/11, was actually a Truth...!! :eek: :) ...honest!! :D

[adbasque]

Yeah, but that still doesn't explain... Why would they need to know it was an inside job at reporter level? It makes no sense.if you were gonna blow up the wtc, you wouldn't need to tell the press. All they would need to do would be to turn up and report on what they saw, which would be the towers apparently blown up by terrorists. There's no reason whatsoever that they would tell the reporters about it. If they did know in advance, it'd just be more people who could fuck it up, something like blurting out one of the buildings fell down when it hadn't.

I don't have a T.V.

The only reason the msm would need to be in on it,at least at reporting level, is if there were no planes.I don't believe that for a second.

They would use the press, because they own it, as we all know, and second it was a mistake from the BBC, they annonced it a little before it happened.

They always have little slips like these, especially where cameras are involved.
you seem to forget that there's no such thing as a perfect crime, or perfect plan.
People sometimes are under the illusion they can commit a perfect crime or draw a perfect plan.

Perfect as far as our own intelligence can travel and no more.

But you have failed to answer my question, if you think it was not an inside job, could you explain to use who did it and more importantly how they pulled it?

but remember you must counter every single evidence that has been presented in the last 8 years, you can only claim the contrary if you have a solid evidence of your claims.

The point here it's not by being stubborn and not wanting to admit you're wrong, or even to have a remote chance that you might be wrong.

Answer me these questions then.

Who killed JFK?
Who blew up the American Naval Ship?
who blew up the US Embassy in Kenya? (I think it was)
Who tried to blow up the twin towers in 1993?

Wow if this so called Al-quaeda is so powerful, what makes you think they can be caught or beaten?
Well Al-quaeda is nothing but a pure fabrication of the Elite, the ghost enemy, the one that can never be tracked down, that can never be found.

Can't you see it's a little too convenient?
Al-Quaeda is any of us who doesn't go by their rules, if you object you must be a terrorist.

A woman smacking her child in airport was detained under the terrorism act, can't you see what they are doing?

Two tourists had their pictures been deleted and questioned by police under terrorism act.

If you sneeze in the wrong direction they can lock you up under terrorism act, can't you see all of these plans are designed for all of us?

What more do you need?
why do you insist it wasn't an inside job? or is it the feeling of being different from the rest of the world.

True the majority is not always right, I always said it, but when that majority holds strong irrefutable evidence, you must accept it unless you have other evidence they can tell a different story.

Unfortunately until now you haven't provided any evidence, in fact all you have provided was, stubbornness and that's hardly an evidence.

It's good to have a strong opinion, but sometimes it takes guts to admit when you're wrong.

Go back and look at the evidence one by one and study it take a more rational approach and see if you can come up with a different conclusion.

That's all I have to say.

[tracker]

[QUOTE=endlessvista;856293]Becuase I have not seen enough proof that it was. I loath Bush and his anti-democratic cronies, but I do not believe they were behind 9-11. They are too stupid and incompetent to pull off something like that.

Just thought I would clear that up with the small army of frustrate thought police on this forum who demanded my opinion on 9/11.

Again, I do not beleive it was an Inside Job. More importantly, fuck 9-11. I am sick of hearing about it. The dead are buried and not coming back. Time to move on and deal with the issue which can be solved in the future.

That's all.[/QUOTE}

And here is the 6 0clock news .

Today

A group of terrorists stormed the NASA base station and terrorised personell and staff .

they wrecked all rooms and left some people traumatised after the ordeal.

the group are said to be between 6 and 7 years old .

this man told us that they escaped on trycicles and go karts .
evidence left behind was this mars bar wraaper and a couple of jambery bags . the mess is self evident .
sticky finger prints , mess on the carpets , tryce wheel marks all over the floor .

but the government has something to say about this .
they are bringing in a new law to imprison kids for nothing .



and now over to donald duck for the weather

closing credits

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2se2I70CJ0


this is the mentality of those who dont even research that 9/11 was an inside job .

[skunksmash]

[quote=endlessvista;856293]Becuase I have not seen enough proof that it was. I loath Bush and his anti-democratic cronies, but I do not believe they were behind 9-11. They are too stupid and incompetent to pull off something like that.

Just thought I would clear that up with the small army of frustrate thought police on this forum who demanded my opinion on 9/11.

Again, I do not beleive it was an Inside Job. More importantly, fuck 9-11. I am sick of hearing about it. The dead are buried and not coming back. Time to move on and deal with the issue which can be solved in the future.

That's all.[/QUOTE}

And here is the 6 0clock news .

Today

A group of terrorists stormed the NASA base station and terrorised personell and staff .

they wrecked all rooms and left some people traumatised after the ordeal.

the group are said to be between 6 and 7 years old .

this man told us that they escaped on trycicles and go karts .
evidence left behind was this mars bar wraaper and a couple of jambery bags . the mess is self evident .
sticky finger prints , mess on the carpets , tryce wheel marks all over the floor .

but the government has something to say about this .
they are bringing in a new law to imprison kids for nothing .



and now over to donald duck for the weather

closing credits

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2se2I70CJ0this is the mentality of those who dont even research that 9/11 was an inside job .

LOL...... :D


i can confirm this...... earlier today one of my contacts had a chance to speak with they're commander.

unfortunately as he was ''undercover'' he could not record the conversation, but he was able to snap this pic...:eek::eek::eek:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_D5mxtwb77gM/RquAODjWiDI/AAAAAAAAAMI/Z6a4RvhiPjs/s400/Army+Kid.jpeg

any idea's on this dangerous militants REAL identity would be most appreciated.....

please contact your local law enforcement agency with any info...





:)SK

[kingmonkey]

They would use the press, because they own it, as we all know, and second it was a mistake from the BBC, they annonced it a little before it happened.



Why though? Use them for what?

Are you a no planer? Because that is the only reason the press would need to be involved. Otherwise, all they had to do was turn up and report what they saw, which was (going on the official line) terrorists had crashed a plane into some buildings. Where do the press need to be in on that? All they had to do was turn up and do there job as reporters. they didn't need to lie about anything, or hide anything... I don't understand why people find this so difficult to grasp. Forget for a minute they reported building 7 going down early...All they would've done was sit there, comment on what was happening and that's it! And then when it did go down, report that. This would be the exact same scenario for both an inside job and the official version. The BBC being in on the job would cause more problems than it'd solve.

They always have little slips like these, especially where cameras are involved.
you seem to forget that there's no such thing as a perfect crime, or perfect plan.
People sometimes are under the illusion they can commit a perfect crime or draw a perfect plan.

Perfect as far as our own intelligence can travel and no more.
Again, they don't need the press. Unless the press were all lying about the planes hitting the towers, and it was all faked. If you don't believe the NPT, then the press issue is a diversion.

But you have failed to answer my question, if you think it was not an inside job, could you explain to use who did it and more importantly how they pulled it?The people who they said did it. Bin Laden was a CIA asset, he's a fundamentalist with fundamentalist connections. It's quite possible the security services have funded and helped him create suicide bombers etc. knowing damn well they can use them when they want for attacks against the west to further political agendas etc.

but remember you must counter every single evidence that has been presented in the last 8 years, you can only claim the contrary if you have a solid evidence of your claims.

The point here it's not by being stubborn and not wanting to admit you're wrong, or even to have a remote chance that you might be wrong.I've never said I believe the official story 100%. I don't believe any other version either 100%. The official story makes more sense than any of the others...There are too many holes in all the other versions. More so than the official version.

Answer me these questions then.

Who killed JFK?
Who blew up the American Naval Ship?
who blew up the US Embassy in Kenya? (I think it was)
Who tried to blow up the twin towers in 1993?That's got nothing to do with this.Although since you ask, I don't know who did them, I wasn't there. I believe JFK was killed by the government. The rest was probably terrorits, athough they all, or some could've been false flags. I don't know enough about them to comment. But if we're talking about false flags, maybe you should've added the Oklahoma bombing to the list, because that looked more suspicious than any of these.

Wow if this so called Al-quaeda is so powerful, what makes you think they can be caught or beaten?
Well Al-quaeda is nothing but a pure fabrication of the Elite, the ghost enemy, the one that can never be tracked down, that can never be found.I'm sure al-queda is mostly a creation of tptb and the press, but it doesn't mean islamic terrorism doesn't exist...This's two separate issues.

Can't you see it's a little too convenient?
Al-Quaeda is any of us who doesn't go by their rules, if you object you must be a terrorist.
Like I said above, I don't really believe in Al-queda as what we're meant to believe it is.

A woman smacking her child in airport was detained under the terrorism act, can't you see what they are doing?

Two tourists had their pictures been deleted and questioned by police under terrorism act.

If you sneeze in the wrong direction they can lock you up under terrorism act, can't you see all of these plans are designed for all of us?

What more do you need?
why do you insist it wasn't an inside job? or is it the feeling of being different from the rest of the world.

Unfortunately until now you haven't provided any evidence, in fact all you have provided was, stubbornness and that's hardly an evidence.

It's good to have a strong opinion, but sometimes it takes guts to admit when you're wrong.

Go back and look at the evidence one by one and study it take a more rational approach and see if you can come up with a different conclusion.

That's all I have to say.All this hasn't got anything to do with the evidence of 911 being an inside job...Can we just stick to 911?

True the majority is not always right, I always said it, but when that majority holds strong irrefutable evidence, you must accept it unless you have other evidence they can tell a different story.Who is this majority with the irrefutable evidence?

[tracker]

[quote=tracker;941529]

LOL...... :D


i can confirm this...... earlier today one of my contacts had a chance to speak with they're commander.

unfortunately as he was ''undercover'' he could not record the conversation, but he was able to snap this pic...:eek::eek::eek:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_D5mxtwb77gM/RquAODjWiDI/AAAAAAAAAMI/Z6a4RvhiPjs/s400/Army+Kid.jpeg

any idea's on this dangerous militants REAL identity would be most appreciated.....

please contact your local law enforcement agency with any info...





:)SK

PMSL :D

yeah soon the children wil have to have gokart liscences , tax and insurance because of it









oh yes:rolleyes:

i forgot



carbon tax too because of rubber marks on the flooring .:D

[tracker]

Rolling credits

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2se2I70CJ0

This is the news at 6 with micky mouse .

Today , government officials have started the war on terror and organised crime .
their mission is to liberate the north pole from a consortium of prostitution and mass distraction .

the head leader of this consortium is said to ware red clothes --- advertising for the red light district . his boots are black so that he can enter peoples houses once a year . his entry is predictable . he always takes the chimney , otherwise he able to manifest through doors and walls .
after leaving peoples properties a full blown mound of evidance is left .
boxes of unknown goods , which attract our children , mindblowing them into a frienzy of noise polution and crazy playtime activities , distracting them away from the parents .
the leader has a large gang called --- terrorists who hide out of site and are said to be about 3 foot tall , wearing green to fit in with the trees and grass ( shhh edit the grass now micky ).
amidst these gangs are strange creatures perposly altered in DNA .
One of the leaders head top alpha male is said to have a red light , where little people hang out waiting for a quick fix ( of sweets and goodies ).

the government are slowly closing in , and it wont be long

before we show you


more death
carnage
child death

oh and of course , if we can dig for oil there , you bet your bottom dollar we will .

now over to donald duck for the weather .

thank you micky

its going to be hot , and dry, with cold spells and rain here and there .

over to you.


closing credits


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2se2I70CJ0

[tracker]

Why though? Use them for what?

Are you a no planer? Because that is the only reason the press would need to be involved. Otherwise, all they had to do was turn up and report what they saw, which was (going on the official line) terrorists had crashed a plane into some buildings. Where do the press need to be in on that? All they had to do was turn up and do there job as reporters. they didn't need to lie about anything, or hide anything... I don't understand why people find this so difficult to grasp. Forget for a minute they reported building 7 going down early...All they would've done was sit there, comment on what was happening and that's it! And then when it did go down, report that. This would be the exact same scenario for both an inside job and the official version. The BBC being in on the job would cause more problems than it'd solve.

Again, they don't need the press. Unless the press were all lying about the planes hitting the towers, and it was all faked. If you don't believe the NPT, then the press issue is a diversion.

The people who they said did it. Bin Laden was a CIA asset, he's a fundamentalist with fundamentalist connections. It's quite possible the security services have funded and helped him create suicide bombers etc. knowing damn well they can use them when they want for attacks against the west to further political agendas etc.

I've never said I believe the official story 100%. I don't believe any other version either 100%. The official story makes more sense than any of the others...There are too many holes in all the other versions. More so than the official version.

That's got nothing to do with this.Although since you ask, I don't know who did them, I wasn't there. I believe JFK was killed by the government. The rest was probably terrorits, athough they all, or some could've been false flags. I don't know enough about them to comment. But if we're talking about false flags, maybe you should've added the Oklahoma bombing to the list, because that looked more suspicious than any of these.

I'm sure al-queda is mostly a creation of tptb and the press, but it doesn't mean islamic terrorism doesn't exist...This's two separate issues.

Like I said above, I don't really believe in Al-queda as what we're meant to believe it is.

All this hasn't got anything to do with the evidence of 911 being an inside job...Can we just stick to 911?

Who is this majority with the irrefutable evidence?

:rolleyes:

[adbasque]

Why though? Use them for what?

Are you a no planer? Because that is the only reason the press would need to be involved. Otherwise, all they had to do was turn up and report what they saw, which was (going on the official line) terrorists had crashed a plane into some buildings. Where do the press need to be in on that? All they had to do was turn up and do there job as reporters. they didn't need to lie about anything, or hide anything... I don't understand why people find this so difficult to grasp. Forget for a minute they reported building 7 going down early...All they would've done was sit there, comment on what was happening and that's it! And then when it did go down, report that. This would be the exact same scenario for both an inside job and the official version. The BBC being in on the job would cause more problems than it'd solve.

Again, they don't need the press. Unless the press were all lying about the planes hitting the towers, and it was all faked. If you don't believe the NPT, then the press issue is a diversion.

The people who they said did it. Bin Laden was a CIA asset, he's a fundamentalist with fundamentalist connections. It's quite possible the security services have funded and helped him create suicide bombers etc. knowing damn well they can use them when they want for attacks against the west to further political agendas etc.

I've never said I believe the official story 100%. I don't believe any other version either 100%. The official story makes more sense than any of the others...There are too many holes in all the other versions. More so than the official version.

That's got nothing to do with this.Although since you ask, I don't know who did them, I wasn't there. I believe JFK was killed by the government. The rest was probably terrorits, athough they all, or some could've been false flags. I don't know enough about them to comment. But if we're talking about false flags, maybe you should've added the Oklahoma bombing to the list, because that looked more suspicious than any of these.

I'm sure al-queda is mostly a creation of tptb and the press, but it doesn't mean islamic terrorism doesn't exist...This's two separate issues.

Like I said above, I don't really believe in Al-queda as what we're meant to believe it is.

All this hasn't got anything to do with the evidence of 911 being an inside job...Can we just stick to 911?

Who is this majority with the irrefutable evidence?

The evidence you're looking for is who did it? as a "person"
for that it will be difficult if not impossible to prove
what we are interested in is it was an inside job we can find out who did it if the truth came to light first then we can perhaps investigate to find out the people behind it.

For the Oklahoma bombings I think everybody knows it was the government, when we say the government we mean the real government, not Bush or Obama, except some people.

And the stuff I mentioned are all relevant because every topic is related to another, nwo, 9/11, 7/7, Madrid, credit crunch, oklahoma, wars you name it they are all one.

What makes you believe that Oklahoma is more suspicious than 9/11?
If you ask me I find 9/11 more suspicious because of lack of evidence, and Oklahoma could be believable (I don't) because it specifically targeted a government Building.

How can you believe one and not the other?
As for the BBC, I am not saying that the reporter knew about it, I am sure she didn't know.
But they are told sometimes that we received an information that Building 7 has also collapsed, she did it without checking, why would she check?

She's been told from the control news room, that's what happened.
Because someone leaked the information to get the exclusivite, before anyone else does.

But it backfired on them, they thought with all the chaos that day nobody would notice their slip.

If you ask me, every assassination, every conflict, every war, every huge event, every genocide, basically everything, they are behind it.

If you are ready to believe that there's no UK, USA, France, no sovereignty anymore, you'll be alright.
So when you we say an inside job, we mean some traitors in power, and the world government, they don't have a country, they believe they own the planet.

So sovereignty for them it's a loads of BS,

That's the general idea, the sovereignty is only on the surface, and soon it will be officially annonced anyway, that we are all a big happy family of slaves.

Let me clarify one thing about Muslims what is a fundamentalist for a start?
A fundamentalist is someone who follows the teachings of the religion, what's wrong with that?

And extremist is also someone who follows the teachings to the extreme, the two words have nothing to do with violence or killings.

When they say a terrorist group that's different, but for them, they are not just happy to call them terrorists.

They have to use these words deliberately.

Fundamentalist extremists terrorist groups, so people will get the idea
that if they are fundamentalists, and terrorists surely their religion teaches hatred, killings, and terrorism.

While in fact it's quiete the opposite, but that's not the topic here, I just wanted to clarify one thing is to be careful when you use words simply because someone else is trying to make you believe something that's not true.

These words were all invented

Islamist
Fundamentalist
Extremist
Radical

They create groups which call themselves Muslims and go around do all of the evil things, in one goal to tarnish the religion.

especially Islam, because it's a thorn in their foot.
Just think for a sec, you are smart enough to think, if these so called Islamists were taught Islam.

You have nearly 2 billion people to worry about then?
do you think that's possible?

how come only few of them have a totally different version of Islam?
surely if we all are Muslims we all should be out there killing people left right a center and I tell that would be a war long time ago.

If you ask me is there a Terrorist Muslim? my answer would be No.
Because I know the teachings of Islam, so you can't be both, you can't be Muslim and a terrorist at the same time.

You're either one or the other.

That's their job to recrut people and use every means they have to recrut, and most of the time, they are CIA and Mossad Assets.

It's easier than you think to brainwash people, even to use other techniques such as widely known, "the post hypnotic suggestion" it's been used for hundreds of years.

I tell you people did horrific things without their knowledge, they did not know what they were doing.
I am not talking just in these terror attacks, I am talking about single seperated incidents.

Like assassinations, hypnotic suggestion is a very powerful tool.

think about it, when you family has been wiped out by a carpet bombing, and then suddenly someone comes up to you, do you want to get even with these people?

He'll offer you everything you need, I am sure you will go and get a revenge.
and that doesn't even require any hypnotic suggestion.

You must be in their shoes to be able to understand, why are they so easily dragged into terrorism.

Like most Palestinians, they lost everything, they have, and they believe that Israel = Jews so kill all the bloody Jews.
The same thing was applied to the Jews, they believe every terrorist out there is a Muslim, so hate and kill all the Muslims.

While in fact Israel has nothing to do with the Jews, not anymore than the terrorist has to do with Muslims.

And that's the catch 22, that people should loot at the real enemy not the one they present us with as the enemy.

[dave52]

Good post Adbasque, unfortunately it will have been wasted on Kingmonkey...

[adbasque]

Good post Adbasque, unfortunately it will have been wasted on Kingmonkey...

I truly hope that most people would think, we are all equal, we all came from the same source, there's no supperior and no inferior.

People will treat you as inferior if you allow them
you treat yourself as superior to others, it's not but a delusion state of mind.

Scientifically proven that we are using perhaps 1% of our intellectual capacities, and that is the brightest of us.

So some people are probably using their natural animal instincts with a little vocabulary.

So imagine if people can use their full intellectual potential?

But of course in a good way.
Intelligence without wisdom can be very dangerous
Being intelligent without being wise, it's like loading a gun and giving it to a 3 year old and see what he's got to do with it.

They conquered us through division.

I hope it'll change one day, we must do our best, we only have one planet, it's like we all are under the same blue roof

We all call it home, our unique planet, that's the only one we have.
so we might aswell make the best of it.

[lightgiver]

I am almost certain, they will admit it in 30 or 40 years time, when they know all the guilty parties involved are already dead, it will then be declassified.

If you look back a lot of things that happened 30/40/60 years ago came to light as it was a conspiracy from JFK to Nakazaki and Hiroshima, Vietnam war, Peral Harbour and so on
but at the time they happened very few people were suspicious and the few who were suspicious either they died or got corrupted or silenced with other means.

They like to brag about things like these, it's the way to show their power, they know the intelligent people will grasp it, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it as you are very few, we've got the sheeple where we want them.

If we live long enough you'll see, but it could also happen before then, because their agenda is almost complete, once the world government is in place, we all gonna be under the umbrella of fascism they will anonce it openly.

And if you try to say anything you'll end up in a lab for experiments or simply put to death.

They could, but still TPTB are very reluctant of admitting anything,because they are Psychopaths and Psychopaths believe they do nothing wrong;)

yes before you know it we will all be wiped out by these insane people, if they are people?

Yes the future is not looking rosy,and the sheeple will be tearing each others throats out when the shit hits the fan.

Just look at 911,8 yrs on and the majority still think that it was terrorists from Iraq,I mean they were Saudis so called(but we now know that is BS)but the Good old U.S.A Invaded Iraq,and that my friend just goes to show how brainwashed the masses are.;)

No wonder we are up shit creek.

Oh and a few years previous Rumsfeld, the USA and every other western country were selling arms to Iraq,including chemical weapons and technology.

[tracker]

They could, but still TPTB are very reluctant of admitting anything,because they are Psychopaths and Psychopaths believe they do nothing wrong;)



Here Here !

the problem is that most brain washed and media mind control banana splits believe that governments are not crazy just because they wear a suit and smile . you are right . Psychopaths are unable to admit wrong doing .
they also are unable to sympathise with how their actions affect others.

It is a trait needed for these positions .

why on earth would any one want to argue with a media mind controlled person who thinks they are not mind controlled and think that 9/11 was terrorists goes beyond me .
you will never win against them because like their Psychotic masters , they are unable to compromise or reason with any logic .
This is the power of the hypnotic tv serguestions that they have been subjected to all their life , and including peer pressure , they dont even have the strength to stand up against . forget them , they are as week as they are worthless .
it is a loosing battle and not worth the spit .:cool:

[dude111]

Because I have not seen enough proof that it was.Its hard to believe someone can say this.....

I understand why they say it though: They dont want to believe this could happen and deny it UNTIL THEY NO LONGER CAN....

I think its a sad way to live personally....(Its the way the GOVT wants you living (Where they can tell you anything and you dont question it))

I was convinced shortly after 9/11 what really happend.... (After seeing more and more things that just didnt add up,etc)

[metacomet]

Becuase I have not seen enough proof that it was. I loath Bush and his anti-democratic cronies, but I do not believe they were behind 9-11. They are too stupid and incompetent to pull off something like that.


Closing window.

Thanks for the laugh.

[metacomet]

By the way, this wouldn't happen to be yet another cry for attention, would it?

[adbasque]

you will never win against them because like their Psychotic masters , they are unable to compromise or reason with any logic .
This is the power of the hypnotic tv serguestions that they have been subjected to all their life , and including peer pressure , they dont even have the strength to stand up against . forget them , they are as week as they are worthless .
it is a loosing battle and not worth the spit .:cool:

You are absolutely right, it's a complete waste of time, the classic answers you'll always get are this sort:

Well You are paranoid, we know the world isn't perfect but it's not all that bad

The others will tell you I knew that Tony Blair was bad sign when he came to power 1997


Well I never voted for Labour nor Conservatives, I vote LibDem

And the rest are too involved with Eastenders who shot Phil Mitchell
Or shouting at Simon Cowel on XFactor, some might be watching Country file

and House Under a Hammer, make your choice

It's hopeless :(

Now I have a question for you guys, a serious question.
Do I need to cry or laugh, I am kind of confused :confused:

Thanks for your help

[lightgiver]

Here Here !

the problem is that most brain washed and media mind control banana splits believe that governments are not crazy just because they wear a suit and smile . you are right . Psychopaths are unable to admit wrong doing .
they also are unable to sympathise with how their actions affect others.

It is a trait needed for these positions .

why on earth would any one want to argue with a media mind controlled person who thinks they are not mind controlled and think that 9/11 was terrorists goes beyond me .
you will never win against them because like their Psychotic masters , they are unable to compromise or reason with any logic .
This is the power of the hypnotic tv serguestions that they have been subjected to all their life , and including peer pressure , they dont even have the strength to stand up against . forget them , they are as week as they are worthless .
it is a loosing battle and not worth the spit .:cool:

Agreed tracker;)

[dude111]

why on earth would any one want to argue with a media mind controlled person who thinks they are not mind controlled and think that 9/11 was terrorists goes beyond meTOTALLY AGREE!!

I have talked to many people like this here and its pathetic..... You cant talk to them,they wont listen!!

How can you live in a country (Any country) and totally accept 100% of what your being told by the govt??

I think that shows you dont really care about the place you live!! (I cant believe how many here are like this (OR MAYBE I JUST DONT WANT TO))

[dave52]

TOTALLY AGREE!!

I have talked to many people like this here and its pathetic..... You cant talk to them,they wont listen!!

How can you live in a country (Any country) and totally accept 100% of what your being told by the govt??

I think that shows you dont really care about the place you live!! (I cant believe how many here are like this (OR MAYBE I JUST DONT WANT TO))

Actually, I think it's just idiots who come in here to get a rise out of people with "alternative" views. People stumble across the David Icke website, vaguely recall something about conspiracy theorists, then think they're being funny by coming in here and causing arguments.

There are three types of people that come here:

People who know that they've been mislead and lied to and are seeking to engage with like minds.

People who are genuinely interested in finding out about alternative views.

People who fully accept the party line and think it might be fun to have a pop at "tin foil hat wearers".

Well, those in group 3 will get what's coming to them, when they have been rounded up and it's too late for them, and they realise they chose the wrong side of the barricade... I pity the fool (possibly said in a BA Baracus stylee).

[ex sheep]

Becuase I have not seen enough proof that it was. I loath Bush and his anti-democratic cronies, but I do not believe they were behind 9-11. They are too stupid and incompetent to pull off something like that.

It may have looked as if Bush was stupid, but that how it was meant to be.

They are really clever bastards underneath.

But its a pity they haven't got a heart.




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[dude111]

Actually, I think it's just idiots who come in here to get a rise out of people with "alternative" views. No i meant people in THE USA!! (Alot of stupid,ignorant people here who apparently dont care about the country they live in)

[hangmans oak]

first of u need to read some documents behind 9/11 - second bush administration didn't pull it all by itself; but that argument that u chose so erroneously to object on this topic is pure irrational and illogical. Don't get caught in the lies...

[lightgiver]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx84LSJMxWk

[dave52]

No i meant people in THE USA!! (Alot of stupid,ignorant people here who apparently dont care about the country they live in)

Sorry - yes, you're right (I went off on a tangent).

I have to say that I don't blame the man in the street for their attitude. If you've been brought up believing everything you see on the news, then that's just the way it is. Too many people get on with their lives without thinking out of the box, but to be fair to them they've got jobs to hold down, debts, distractions etc.

[tjohn]

...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx84LSJMxWk www.youtube.com/v/jx84LSJMxWk (http://www.youtube.com/v/jx84LSJMxWk)

Good video there!

..... They are really clever bastards underneath.

But its a pity they haven't got a heart.

[tjohn]

No i meant people in THE USA!! (Alot of stupid,ignorant people here who apparently dont care about the country they live in)Or those who live in other countries! Regardless of country, when humanity realises that we are of the same essence, we can know peace. But, apparently, some are not really human!

[tjohn]

I truly hope that most people would think, we are all equal, we all came from the same source, there's no supperior and no inferior.

People will treat you as inferior if you allow them
you treat yourself as superior to others, it's not but a delusion state of mind.

Scientifically proven that we are using perhaps 1% of our intellectual capacities, and that is the brightest of us.

So some people are probably using their natural animal instincts with a little vocabulary.

So imagine if people can use their full intellectual potential?

But of course in a good way.
Intelligence without wisdom can be very dangerous
Being intelligent without being wise, it's like loading a gun and giving it to a 3 year old and see what he's got to do with it.

They conquered us through division.

I hope it'll change one day, we must do our best, we only have one planet, it's like we all are under the same blue roof

We all call it home, our unique planet, that's the only one we have.
so we might aswell make the best of it.:)