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skunksmash

10-03-2009, 01:43 PM

well im a ''non violent'' man by nature, i believe life is a gift in all forms so taking it is something im bang against...

but i assure you the thought of someone breaking into my house & trampling my kids would be enough for me to skin someone alive....:mad:

so yes..... i'd kill if i was pushed, just like any creature backed into a corner would...

:)SK

stickwhistler

10-03-2009, 01:47 PM

starstuff

10-03-2009, 01:51 PM

Why do you ask?

hellosatellites

10-03-2009, 01:56 PM

Would you kill to protect your land and family? If the shit does hit the fan you will have different types of enemies. for example, the agents of the law and hungry people who didnt prepare. How would you deal with these?

I would consider such a scenario the ultimate test to 'mind over matter'. I don't know how i would react, but i hope with some dignity. I'm a fighter - a killer even - by my most primitive nature, but part of growing up is learning to
discern what is worth fighting for.
The scenario you paint, mv8000, i would see as the testing ground of 'true' values.
I think dignity and integrity is more important than, say, food. And sharing - love and compassion - more important than the survival of my particular physical manifestion.
At any rate, i'm not afraid to die, so that already put me at considerable advantage compared to any of my materialistic 'enemies' ;)

skunksmash

10-03-2009, 02:06 PM

I would consider such a scenario the ultimate test to 'mind over matter'. I don't know how i would react, but i hope with some dignity. I'm a fighter - a killer even - by my most primitive nature, but part of growing up is learning to
discern what is worth fighting for.
The scenario you paint, mv8000, i would see as the testing ground of 'true' values.
I think dignity and integrity is more important than, say, food. And sharing - love and compassion - more important than the survival of my particular physical manifestion.
At any rate, i'm not afraid to die, so that already put me at considerable advantage compared to any of my materialistic 'enemies' ;)

so being a fighter/killer by nature, someone breaks into your house, assaults you GF & ransacks the place....... & there would be you, kneeling on the floor waiting for them to end this materialistic illusion you reside in..??? :rolleyes:

i think not........ its more likely your first reaction will be to crack the offenders head open with a bat for daring to enter your property with the intent of leaving you & yours to starve.....

:)SK

hellosatellites

10-03-2009, 02:23 PM

so being a fighter/killer by nature, someone breaks into your house, assaults you GF & ransacks the place....... & there would be you, kneeling on the floor waiting for them to end this materialistic illusion you reside in..??? :rolleyes:

i think not........ its more likely your first reaction will be to crack the offenders head open with a bat for daring to enter your property with the intent of leaving you & yours to starve.....

:)SK

I don't recall anything about kneeling on the floor, darling :) Or waiting. OR residing in a material illusion.

But like i said, i don't know how i will react - just that i hope it will be with some mature spiritual dignity. We will see. Or not...

You seem to have made your mind up beforehand? :)

mv8800

10-03-2009, 02:24 PM

Yes. Bat by the door. Thats my way. Bought mine when my garage was raided.

emerald

10-03-2009, 03:03 PM

Yes.

pinkfreud

10-03-2009, 03:50 PM

Are you willing to kill?

depends on the circumstances.

while i'm a rather peaceful and non-violent soul, i'm willing to kill for the people i love dearly.

i'd also kill if i was abused, especially physically- without batting an eyelid.

unusual_suspect

10-03-2009, 04:12 PM

Interesting question, I hope I never have to find out. However, if anyone was a real threat to my son, I'm know I would kill to defend him.

Being a good person doesn't mean you just lie back and let people shaft you and your loved ones, it's actually ok to defend yourself and the ones you love.

jonas parker

10-03-2009, 04:27 PM

Would you kill to protect your land and family? If the shit does hit the fan you will have different types of enemies. for example, the agents of the law and hungry people who didnt prepare. How would you deal with these?

The bad guy's souls may belong to God, but their butts belong to me. Anyone wanting to harm my family better be able to outrun 00 buckshot!

lhaull

12-03-2009, 03:03 PM

*Smile, I spent a long time struggling with this one.
Plenty to die for but not much to kill for.
That said however, there are damaged shaved apes out there, one's who have no respect or ability to act within community bounds, some with 'Issues', you know the kind, they refer to themselves in the third person
'Jimi doesn't take shit from no one.' They say as they plonk themselves down on the empty seat at your table in the pub, while you and the wife are having a drink to unwind.
These people are fine to kill, in fact its a social betterment to rid the world of them. Unfortunately it is considered a crime to shoot them and instead we 'Must learn to understand them because they have 'Issues''.
*Cough
Bollocks to that.
Come the revolution I will be asking for a long drop from a short rope for any still breathing.
Think I'm joking?
I'm not.
If they were dogs, they'd be put to sleep and good.
I actually prefer dogs, a dog has never offered my wife a good time in the toilet while I was at the bar getting a pint.
So, would I kill.....

Its amazing I haven't begun already.

zero1

12-03-2009, 07:53 PM

Would you kill to protect your land and family?

At the drop of a hat, but I don't own any land. I would for my family, which is, my mother and father (that's all I got).

If the shit does hit the fan you will have different types of enemies. for example, the agents of the law and hungry people who didnt prepare. How would you deal with these?

It would depend how they interact with me. I'd kill them all if it suited me.

But, that wouldn't be my first inclination. I'm generally willing to give the benefit of the doubt, even to authority figures.

But if they made enemies of me, I would kill them without hesitation.

I have enemies, thankfully I live a comfortable & quiet existence because none of them have either the courage or the power to face me man to man, so they settle for occasional mild annoyances in subtle ways. It's about all they're good for, really.

nirvana

12-03-2009, 11:18 PM

When the shit hits the fan its going to be the lone people that are going to fall pray.

Its going to become very tribal.

Christian tribe,muslim tribe,socialist tribe,anachist tribe,BNP tribe,

Its ok just looking after your own family but its going to be a battle if your on your own.

Allotments will be ransacked,small family units will have everything taken from them.

Peace:)

unusual_suspect

12-03-2009, 11:19 PM

hunter77

12-03-2009, 11:30 PM

griswald

12-03-2009, 11:40 PM

..............................

Allotments will be ransacked,small family units will have everything taken from them.

Peace:)

Probably, but thats why you give them the poisoned shit first, and say enjoy.

Removes all the scumbags en masse. Nuke the bastards and let god sort them out.

I dont really mean that, I,m a pacifist at heart.....;)

griswald

boots

13-03-2009, 10:19 AM

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn166/bluegoddess777/gun.jpg

i would leave it to my good friend paul berretta:D he also works on jerhovas witnesses if you clean him in the front room when they are knocking on doors in the area;)

Nice.:)

I'd like to go with the semi auto shotgun takes down a few in a short space of time.

http://www.remingtonsociety.com/journals/articles/1100/M1100_Field_1967_color.gif
Remington Model 1100 Field Gun ;)

debs67gb

13-03-2009, 10:22 AM

Id be more than willing to kill anyone who tried to hurt my children - barehanded if necessary :)

tom bombadil

14-03-2009, 12:28 AM

Would you kill to protect your land and family? If the shit does hit the fan you will have different types of enemies. for example, the agents of the law and hungry people who didnt prepare. How would you deal with these?

Who is to say that anyone here has not already?

I will if I have to.

I will make sure my family do the same. They are half way there. Half will, and the other half are too young to make that decision yet. They will too I am sure.

Stay on top.

Tom.:(

cruise4

14-03-2009, 02:53 AM

But who would kill if they saw their neighbours family and children being trampled all over. Isn't that the real test?

nofuture

14-03-2009, 03:02 AM

How many people would be alive if murder was legal? :p

hunter77

14-03-2009, 03:09 AM

But who would kill if they saw their neighbours family and children being trampled all over. Isn't that the real test?

i would, i will allways try to help anyone in real trouble if i can:)

cruise4

14-03-2009, 03:29 AM

TBH I am always considering the question of 'would I kill' and it's easier to imagine 'the other person' situation than if my own life was threatened. I'm not so sure about the second scenario although I think I 'may' know the outcome.

I suppose 'situation' is everything.

Does anyone say they will not kill under ANY circumstances?

rhydra

14-03-2009, 01:34 PM

I'd do anything to avoid killing. I couldn't honestly say I could do it.

hellosatellites

14-03-2009, 01:43 PM

I'd do anything to avoid killing. I couldn't honestly say I could do it.

+1.

Killing is part of my most primitive nature - probably cellular memory - but that doesn't mean i have to kill - as a poster (skunksmash) suggested. Other strong but fleeting emotions and primitive states of mind such as fear, and greed...doesn't mean i have to act on those emotions. Just because our primitive nature is compelling when active doesn't mean we can't rise above it. It's also possible to be in the grip of strong emotion and still act from a higher perspective, such as our conscience. I can be shaking with fear of being judged but still choose to speak my mind regardless. I can experience a murderous rage towards someone who has betrayed me, but refrain from killing them. Etc.
We have a choice! Important to remember when outside forces are trying to control our behaviour.

unusual_suspect

14-03-2009, 01:46 PM

+1.

Killing is part of my most primitive nature - probably cellular memory - but that doesn't mean i have to kill - as a poster suggested. Other strong but fleeting emotions and primitive states of mind such as fear, and greed...doesn't mean i have to act on those emotions. Just because our primitive nature is compelling when active doesn't mean we can't rise above it.

You could always try and appease your assailant with a cup of tea and a slice of cake.

hellosatellites

14-03-2009, 01:57 PM

You could always try and appease your assailant with a cup of tea and a slice of cake.

Sure :p:D A bright smile and a foot massage works well too.

Ps. Look, I'm sorry i said origins of Rosicrucian order is flimsy, Unusual Suspect :)

unusual_suspect

14-03-2009, 02:28 PM

Sure :p:D A bright smile and a foot massage works well too.

Ps. Look, I'm sorry i said origins of Rosicrucian order is flimsy, Unusual Suspect :)

A foot massage eh? That could work :D

You can say whatever you like about Rosicrucianism, I'm not really bothered either way.

hellosatellites

14-03-2009, 04:39 PM

A foot massage eh? That could work :D

You can say whatever you like about Rosicrucianism, I'm not really bothered either way.

A foot massage can mellow out most people :)

The rosicrucian thing...it was ages since i looked into it, just vaguely remember that the chaps who started it did so on the basis of fraudulent documents to make the 'order' look older and more 'ancient' than it actually was... I may be completely off, of course. Anyway, i'm not really bothered either way aswell, so that makes two of us :)

unusual_suspect

14-03-2009, 05:37 PM

A foot massage can mellow out most people :)

The rosicrucian thing...it was ages since i looked into it, just vaguely remember that the chaps who started it did so on the basis of fraudulent documents to make the 'order' look older and more 'ancient' than it actually was... I may be completely off, of course. Anyway, i'm not really bothered either way aswell, so that makes two of us :)

Can I have a foot massage?

As far as know, Rosicricianism is based on the teachings of Egyptian mystery schools.

hellosatellites

14-03-2009, 08:41 PM

Can I have a foot massage?

As far as know, Rosicricianism is based on the teachings of Egyptian mystery schools.

'Course you can have a foot massage! Here it is :)

well, pretty much everything seems to be based on egyptian mysteries so yeah...the flimsy bit was related to their actual orders actual lineage...oh forget it :) we're all interconnected so i'm probably a bit of a flimsy rosicrician too somewhere somehow ;)

jp13

14-03-2009, 11:06 PM

zero1

15-03-2009, 12:13 AM

Wen I was younger I would have said Yes without hesitation, now I'm not so sure. I wouldn't kill for my neighbours/ friends etc. I probably would kill for anyone of my family. I would prefer to avoid confrontation, but when it comes down to it, it depends who has the most + best skills/weapons and levels off fitness and determination.

It works like this - once upon a time in man's history, there was anarchy; no laws, no rules, no regulations, no formalities only CUSTOM. Tribal Custom.

Men had to learn to fight to survive, and the best warriors survived. The weak perished. This was considered the way of that awesome beauty and power we call NATURE.

Then one day the elders decided they could prolong their rulership over their own tribes and the one's they had brutally conquered by establishing laws, rules, regulations and formalities which established new customs - and got the best warriors in their tribes to ruthlessly cull those who disagreed with these new bindings. The Master/Slave dichotomy thus came into being.

Thus, the most vicious and ruthless men, who made the rules but did not follow the rules themselves, came to lord over other people in the tribes which created the Class system of upper/middle and lower tiers, which eventually became Monarchy, then Feudalism then "Democracy".

The Point Is; "ordinary" people are forbidden to kill, but the "State" (which is controlled by those very same ruthless elders and warriors) can kill with impunity.

So, when they come to KILL YOU, what are you going to do?

As the song says, "the death of one is a trajedy, but the death of millions? No-one gives a fuck..."

;)

belial

15-03-2009, 12:36 AM

Would you kill to protect your land and family? If the shit does hit the fan you will have different types of enemies. for example, the agents of the law and hungry people who didnt prepare. How would you deal with these?

"Kill or be killed" is a good mantra... it's also been human instinct from the year Zod to the present... something which liberal lefties have a hard-time believing.

Your enemy comes in all shapes and sizes... most people don't realise who they want to kill or not (that includes "The Police" for example).

Learning how to determine an enemy or foe is the first step... learning how to take them down is the second step.

jp13

15-03-2009, 01:24 AM

"So, when they come to KILL YOU, what are you going to do?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiQoq-wqZxg

"when They kick in your front door, how you gonna come, with your hands on your head or on the trigger of your gun"

jesalyn

15-03-2009, 02:30 AM

I told my husband I wanted a gun for Christmas, and I wanted him to teach me how to use it. I have never been a proponent of violence, I have never wanted a gun in my house. My husband works out of town during the week, I am left at home with the kids. Would I shoot someone trying to hurt my kids? You better believe it. I told my mom I wanted a gun she laughed at me and said "why??" I told her to shoot the neighbors when the shit hit the fan.

nofuture

15-03-2009, 10:40 AM

Someone was. (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5g1vpBGbYMC5czNs5izEV7ztPeMbQ)

storm knight

15-03-2009, 08:27 PM

Aren't they're ways of dealing with people, i.e. how to approach etc

Otherwise I wouldn't fight back unless attacked first.

I don't think shooting the law is necessary, most will lack that FBI edge where I live, only the basic of knowledge.

So yeah I think I mite go onto some education towards these things.

People make allies not enemies, a true leader will learn to not neglect any member, everyone will have a skill and role to fill.

So yeah I think using the correct engagement methods allow a increase chance of coming out better off, lets face it, if you want to live the rest of your life, facing these scenarios will become increasingly more familiar shooting a gun everytime someone walks to your door is not the way forward.

I would suggest a silenced pistol before attempting to kill someone (within reason), with body armour and possibly a samurai sword in your non-shooting hand for all those people using hand weapons, savages... ahm always keep on the move and never let anyone follow you to your stronghold, cover it up camoflauged, don't bother if you aren't going to do it well. You'll make yourself a painted house saying "Living People Here"

I will kill someone, it's more likely to be someone agressive.

somethinganonymous

16-03-2009, 12:48 AM

Would you kill to protect your land and family? If the shit does hit the fan you will have different types of enemies. for example, the agents of the law and hungry people who didnt prepare. How would you deal with these?

Yes. Man is here to be guardian and ruler of beasts. Though Man has the power to take life, Man does not have the right to take life. Yet, should the beasts turn on the Man or His Brethren, Man has a right to self-defence. If the shit hits the fan, I'll pull the trigger, and pray afterwards...

mr facts

16-03-2009, 10:23 PM

Would you kill to protect your land and family? If the shit does hit the fan you will have different types of enemies. for example, the agents of the law and hungry people who didnt prepare. How would you deal with these?

Killing hungry people for trying to steal your food is a bit extreme,even if its all you got. A beating would be mre than enough. As for the law I bet most people would do as there told when it comes to the law.(in the uk anyway)

Barrickading(sp) yourself in the house when the shit hits the fan and defending your supplys against hungry people is a shity plan. If your gonna plan for such events why not come up with a community plan insted of just thiking of yourself cause you wont last long on yer own when the words out that you home is full of supplys. Armed or not. People need to come together not hide away from the situation. Id be more than willing to feed a hungry neighbour.

jp13

16-03-2009, 11:11 PM

Yeah, I think setting oneself up as a tiny militia, would probably attract more trouble than anyone could prepare for, it does make more sense to group together with like minded people, but where do you find them?
I would also like to be able to live off the land, and keep moving as I choose, a bit like Caine in the series "Kung Fu" but I'm aware of the irony of this e.g. in "Pulp Fiction" the Samuel Jackson character has a revelation and says to John Travolta, that he wants to walk the land like Caine from Kung Fu. Travolta's character says "you know what that makes you? "A bum, that's what bums do".
I would still like to do it though, even now, but as I don't have all the skills I would probably die or find a town/city where I could get something to eat.

mr facts

17-03-2009, 12:40 AM

Well im finding alot more people are willing to listen to me now when I talk about this stuff so finding people to help shouldnt be to hard. Im not talking bout setting up milita or anything like that but a small group who know whats coming could raise money for supplys and hand it out to anyone who needs. Im not talking bout feeding the 5000 but every bit helps and what goes around comes around.

Never did whatch the series Kung fu so I dont know who cain is sorry. I do remeber that bit from pulp fiction though. Anyway ive also been doing my research on going wild and its possible, for me anyway giving were I live. The hills are 2 minutes from my house and are teaming with wild foods/animals. Im gona go on a experiment/trek in the summer if the shit hasnt hit the fan by then for a week maybe 2 to try and live of the land. Thats why im on the survival thread doing some research.lol

You should check out ray mears wild foods of britain if you serious.

stickwhistler

17-03-2009, 12:45 AM

Id be more than willing to feed a hungry neighbour.

Even if that neighbour is two faced and trecherous?

I ask because I have such a neighbour,
in fact the person next to him is also of the same 'cloth',
and so effectively have two neighbours who will
smile to your face, and lie about you to others.
They insult you to other people,
but will never say these things to your face,
and when challenged with witnesses (5 on one occasion), scuttle away.
One is a councillor - which doesn't help his case with me.

I'm afraid that I would see them fend for themselves,
because I know that they would turn
against me/us/whom ever when it suited them to do so.

I call my next door neighbour Kipper because he is two
faced and gutless, and know it would be a mistake,
at my families expense, to help this man.
What he did and said is unforgivable,
so The Universe/God/Architect/etc will decide his fate,
but it doesn't include help from me, or my family!
I have pondered this a great deal, and even allowing that
the law of Karma is true, have decided thusly.

If he attacked us, or tried in anyway to take or use our
resources, he would be invited for dinner - Hannibal Lecter style!

mr facts

17-03-2009, 01:07 AM

[QUOTE=stickwhistler;868549]Even if that neighbour is two faced and trecherous?

Well maybe your neighbour would say the same thing bout you and if he had food when your going hungry would you be willing to put aside the petty differences and accept his food? Probably yes. Nobodys perfect. What im getting at is help people in need and you'd see a different side. That maybe a bit naive on my part but I always see the good in people

Hanaibal lecture style eh? LOL