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waylander
08-03-2009, 01:56 PM
I can see the nobilty of being a freeman on the land.
But I'am confused.
Most of the threads on here apear to be asking how can I avoid paying for xyz.
Is the noble cause of freemanship being used by a load of freeloading shysters
who run up a load of debt, then want to renage on it. Hardly noble or worthy.
Waylander:cool:
killmicrosoft
08-03-2009, 03:30 PM
i don't see one not one about avoidance
waylander
08-03-2009, 03:35 PM
"their is none so blind ":eek::rolleyes:
Waylander:cool:
From my point of view its because ive paid tax all my working life and when I REALLY need it back the gov have basically told me to eff off!
The government is happy to take my money off me but give it back? Whole different story! Thats not to say im anti-gov, far from it. The NHS staff ive dealt with are worth every penny and then some. It's just I was told they would help and the only tiome I need it they do he opposite. I cant help but think ive been duped!
Freeman is about realising that not everything you believe is real. Use your own life's experiences, your own brain and think for yourself. Just because someone tells you something, doesn't necessarily mean its real, no matter who it is!
pleasuredome
08-03-2009, 06:44 PM
I can see the nobilty of being a freeman on the land.
But I'am confused.
Most of the threads on here apear to be asking how can I avoid paying for xyz.
Is the noble cause of freemanship being used by a load of freeloading shysters
who run up a load of debt, then want to renage on it. Hardly noble or worthy.
Waylander:cool:
cool, you owe me £2000. be noble and pay me. :D
watch the clip of alf garnett i posted. freeman is about accepting on condition. yes i agree to pay whatever you claim i owe you, on condition you present a lawful contract and present a true bill. that is the honourable way in accordance with the law. just saying i aint paying it cos i dont believe its right is not honourable.
you cant get a sense of freeman by just browsing through a few threads on here.
frton
08-03-2009, 06:47 PM
I can see the nobilty of being a freeman on the land.
But I'am confused.
Most of the threads on here apear to be asking how can I avoid paying for xyz.
Is the noble cause of freemanship being used by a load of freeloading shysters
who run up a load of debt, then want to renage on it. Hardly noble or worthy.
Waylander:cool:
Just wait till the concept spread some more and criminals realize the potential. This is the way evil vitiate every good thing in this world.
But corporations stole so much from people driving them to poverty, so may be they are entitled to get something back..
Otherwise we should never be tempted to corrupt this pure idea for selfish ends. God created soul perfect and when she acts other way recreates itself in something else that doesn't fit enjoy birth given rights. If you are speeding - just pay the ticket for endangering peoples lives.
the worm that turned
08-03-2009, 07:04 PM
If you think it is a fair system/world we live in then carry on as normal. I personally think there is a HELL OF A LOT wrong with both the UK system and the world we live in. I will attempt to make it a better place every day of my life by doing something about it. If every one did this the world would soon be a better place!!
I could produce a list of about 1000 things why the Freeman concept is a good idea, but I could equally produce a large list of how and why people will attempt to use it for their own benefits (i.e. not to help out their fellow humans, black, white, young, old, rich and poor)
dreamweaver
08-03-2009, 07:09 PM
Just wait till the concept spread some more and criminals realize the potential. This is the way evil vitiate every good thing in this world.
This is a very good point and one that John Harris touched on in his London talk. With rights come responsibilities and we do need to make it clear that becoming a freeman isn't just about getting out of paying taxes and debts.
killmicrosoft
08-03-2009, 07:10 PM
I can see the nobilty of being a freeman on the land.
But I'am confused.
Most of the threads on here apear to be asking how can I avoid paying for xyz.
Is the noble cause of freemanship being used by a load of freeloading shysters
who run up a load of debt, then want to renage on it. Hardly noble or worthy.
Waylander:cool:
avoidance is something totally different to none compliance with the system
killmicrosoft
08-03-2009, 07:14 PM
"their is none so blind ":eek::rolleyes:
Waylander:cool:
your eyes must still be shut then
stop being ignorant and find out the facts before cast aspersions on people.
your on a journey of learning ,stop thinking the same way the sheepie have been taught , if you only look at the black and white you will learn nothing.
chesterd
08-03-2009, 07:28 PM
i don't see one not one about avoidance
You are 100% correct.If you operate within the commercial world (use your strawman) then you have to pay.The real answer is how do you pay?
When the various governments took away money of substance i.e.Gold and Silver, or the ability to exchange the debt or promissory notes for gold and silver, they had to give valuable consideration for taking the gold and silver.After all who did this gold and silver belong to? Well the simple answer is it belonged to YOU. The only way to deal with outstanding bills is either discharge (more promises to pay) or set-off (settling the account/ bringing it to zero). I see so many posts on various websites asking how they can avoid paying for goods/services they have received.Simple answer is YOU CAN'T.
Your strawman cannot pay a debt with a debt.But in all countries that employ this system there is a procedure that allows you to discharge/set-off the charges that your strawman incurs in the PUBLIC world. You need to learn how to handle the debt.
You need to learn where the CREDIT that produced the goods/services came from.
The Roman maxim in BANKRUPTCY states..... He who creates liability must also bring the remedy.
Learn the relevant tax laws where you live and start to use the system as it was designed.All be it in a very backhanded sly way.The solution is out there.It has been all along.
Remember all of this is in the PUBLIC not the private.That's why everything dealing with commerce is in ALL CAPS.
Do some research things will become much clearer
Peace Chester:)
frton
08-03-2009, 07:32 PM
This is a very good point and one that John Harris touched on in his London talk. With rights come responsibilities and we do need to make it clear that becoming a freeman isn't just about getting out of paying taxes and debts.
Yes, at some point we can have here a sticky explaining that being a freeman is not playing word tricks for leading unaccountable lives.
nirvana
08-03-2009, 09:15 PM
I used to think the freeman thing was bollocks.But Im starting to realise its one of the most important things politically i have l have been shown.Im still finding it al;l very confusing but Im learning everyday bit by bit.
Peace:)
scotfree
09-03-2009, 12:28 AM
I used to think the freeman thing was bollocks.But Im starting to realise its one of the most important things politically i have l have been shown.Im still finding it al;l very confusing but Im learning everyday bit by bit.
Peace:)
I AGREE 100%
I have done Politics, stood in many elections including 3 General Elections.
Politics is guff.
As a Freeman I do NOT believe in the "Commercial Redemption" or
the "Bond" issues. Some scamsters are trying to sell information that will Redeem |Your Bond or somesuch... they are scamsters.
I just wish to be Free to use my own property without
Licences.
Without Taxes that pay for the wars and enslevement of others.
It seems the freeman on the land concept can have a broad meaning? I personally dont call myself a freeman on the land (freeman of the land sounds better to me too), just a "free-man". The monetary/governmental system has many many flaws, it also has many benefits too though in my eyes. Without it would we be as advanced as we are? (opinion will vary).
The way I look at it is you have to do certain things like pay tax (our NHS might have flaws but it was there for me when I needed it!) BUT.... why the hell do I need to pay a corporate entity if I want to change my name? My free right is to call myself what I want (proud of my family name though, my ancestors weren't afraid to stand up to fight for a good cause). I think the freeman concept is: "a concept that helps to show people that they are, ultimately, free spirits. Use your spirit for the betterment of humanity and dont be afraid to question everything you ever learn".
Well thats my own concept anyway! :D
Feed the good, bitch slap the bad!
Ian2day
10-03-2009, 05:30 PM
I think that a registered Freemen of the Roll, is exempt of local authority charges. Also entitled to appoint 25% of the local councillers.
dondaz
10-03-2009, 09:19 PM
Is the noble cause of freemanship being used by a load of freeloading shysters who run up a load of debt, then want to renage on it. Hardly noble or worthy.
Debt is a fiction mate, it is not real. Seems you have a lot of mixed understandings of how this world really works. You need to do a lot of research mate. Years of it. You're not even at first base yet you feel qualified to slander needlessly. Threads such as this look like they're intended to put the Freeman-on-the-Land movement in a negative light.
What a useless thread!
nirvana
10-03-2009, 09:45 PM
freeman is about taking your chains off. The banks have been freeloading since they began.
Peace:)
scotfree
11-03-2009, 12:12 AM
I am a FREEMAN. I am proud to state that,
I pay no taxes, [cept tobacco tax], I do not support the communistic State's wars for land, oil, power.
I am poor though I own a share of the Land called Scotland.
Scotland produces billions of "£'s" from the land, the sea, but I am Happy to remain POOR.
Being FREE I am RICHER than billions and billions of people.
Slaves pay Taxes. Slaves obey their Masters.
Slaves require to ask:
Can I build a house on MY land?
Can I drive MY car withour a seatbelt?
Can I watch MY TV with out paying you Sir?
Can I smoke in the pub Sir?
I am glad I am not a Slave.