EU Death Penalty for rioting

[bagatell]

On 20th Feb 2008 a caucus meeting was held at the German Parliament in Munich to discuss the Lisbon Treaty.

At this meeting a previously unmentioned paragraph was bought to light by Professor Schachtschneider, Humanities Faculty -University of Nuremberg.

Professor Schachtschneider, explained that the undisclosed paragraph means on ratification of the Lisbon Treaty the DEATH PENALTY will be reintroduced to Europe. The Death Penalty will be applicable for the crimes of RIOTING, CIVIL UPHEAVAL and DURING WAR. (When are we not at war and who will define riot and upheaval?)

more info here (http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=5932)

[Anders Lindman]

It's almost as if political leaders are mortally afraid of people rioting. What a bunch of fear-based losers.

[gilly]

Small wonder the bastard Brown sloped off to sign it surreptitiously.

[bagatell]

I wonder what else is buried in the small print?

[lhaull]

A rose by any other name...
Didn't the yanks let something called the Patriot act slip through?

Whats in the small print....

That's the question baby.

What constitutes an uprising, a riot?

This is very bad indeed.


Headsup folks.

Stay safe out there.


Good post Bagatell.

[oiram]

How much they pay you for it is it worth it? "bagatell" or do you live in fear?
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[avaruus]

paranoia made the laws

[oiram]

paranoia made the laws
You are not wrong
& aren't are Governments & all there Leadership act paranoia & out of order?

The Phenomena is that the Protocol highlights pretty much the situation we are facing; but you have to read it all to make the connection!

Coincidental? ....... Well I don't believe in to many coincidences happening in a short time period ..... like following a script.

[avaruus]

of course they are.


this is really powerfully horrible. i have not seen one word of this in the msm.

friendly demonstration will be hijacked by agent provocateurs and people sentenced to death.

[resistance]

This is just madness, all these insane ''laws'' do is cause more anger and discontent among the people. Many people already hate the E.U super state idea, even more will hate it when the glove truly does come off the Iron fist. TBO I don't think that they're going to get away with it, these elites are clearly drunk on their own power and as they keep grabbing at more and more wealth and power their greed and hunger for power will eventually work against them, and ultimately the NWO will fail. Infact it's already failing, that's why they have to put so many draconian measures in place to try and hold it up.

[dreamweaver]

This is just madness, all these insane ''laws'' do is cause more anger and discontent among the people. Many people already hate the E.U super state idea, even more will hate it when the glove truly does come off the Iron fist. TBO I don't think that they're going to get away with it, these elites are clearly drunk on their own power and as they keep grabbing at more and more wealth and power their greed and hunger for power will eventually work against them, and ultimately the NWO will fail. Infact it's already failing, that's why they have to put so many draconian measures in place to try and hold it up.
And when the people do overthrow them, every one of these bastards and their hangers-on should be put on trial for treason.

[elysiumfire]

Hi There,

I am currently researching the 'op's theme, and if you follow the link provided by Bagatel, there is a further link to a page that places the theme into context. Here's that further link...

http://www.larouchepub.com/hzl/2008/3510referendum_lisbon.html

I have not heard of the 'Executive Intelligence Review' (EIR) before, so I cannot vouchsafe the veracity of both it, and statements appearing within it. Nevertheless, it seems peopled with voices concerned and alarmed at the idea of a European super-state, and the manner it which it is being incubated.

I believe that we can certainly justify a cause for alarm for the ratification of the Lisbon Treaty, and other aspects of the scaffolding which is building Europe into a single federalist state, because the process that is being used to bring it about, has no inbuilt 'checks and balances', no real debate, and no referendum-voice of the people's of the separate countries that pieced together will make up that single federalist state.

It highlights the real 'central' issue regarding political process exercised in any so-called democratic country. The question hangs on the legality of the policies being carried out (supposedly on behest of the people) by the party in power for each European country. What checks and balances are in place for the scrutiny and possible rejection of policies that in both the short and long run, lead to the devolution of a country's sovereign independency? Can such policies be proven illegal for lack of exposure to whatever checks and balances are in place?

The possible use of capital punishment via forced membership policy on countries that have long given it up, is a most pernicious abrogation of sovereign rights. It allows for a backdoor introduction for political parties in power to bring in and use death penalty procedure, whilst at the same time be absolved of responsibility to it...oh so they think. The party in power of whichever country, that ratifies the European 'super-state', will equally be ratifying the death penalty against the wishes of its people.

The people of each country need to be made aware just exactly what it means for there to be a single federalist Euro super-state.

[pinkfreud]

EU Death Penalty for rioting


this is terrible :(

[hellosatellites]

There is no way the death penalty will be accepted into the current sociopolitical climate of europe. Northwestern europe is the epicenter of political correctness and 'soft values'.
I am actually in favour of the death penalty (not for rioting though :D) and this is something that can't be mentioned in polite company without creating intense feelings of indignation and disgust. Granted, Denmark (where i live) must be the one of the most pc countries in the world, but i think scandinavia and most of europe are of a similar mentality. Can't see anything as extreme as the death penalty happening anytime soon.

[hey_jude]

well, I don't believe in the Death Penalty at all, under any circumstances!

the Death Penalty was abolished in the UK - it should now be a get out clause for leaving the EU, but I'm sure Westmonster is delighted with it and will applaud loudly as the sheeple demand their pound of flesh with gusto!

Idiots!

[jesuitsdidit]

so thats why they want us to riot..

[jesuitsdidit]

Hi There,

I am currently researching the 'op's theme, and if you follow the link provided by Bagatel, there is a further link to a page that places the theme into context. Here's that further link...

http://www.larouchepub.com/hzl/2008/3510referendum_lisbon.html

I have not heard of the 'Executive Intelligence Review' (EIR) before, so I cannot vouchsafe the veracity of both it, and statements appearing within it. Nevertheless, it seems peopled with voices concerned and alarmed at the idea of a European super-state, and the manner it which it is being incubated.

I believe that we can certainly justify a cause for alarm for the ratification of the Lisbon Treaty, and other aspects of the scaffolding which is building Europe into a single federalist state, because the process that is being used to bring it about, has no inbuilt 'checks and balances', no real debate, and no referendum-voice of the people's of the separate countries that pieced together will make up that single federalist state.

It highlights the real 'central' issue regarding political process exercised in any so-called democratic country. The question hangs on the legality of the policies being carried out (supposedly on behest of the people) by the party in power for each European country. What checks and balances are in place for the scrutiny and possible rejection of policies that in both the short and long run, lead to the devolution of a country's sovereign independency? Can such policies be proven illegal for lack of exposure to whatever checks and balances are in place?

The possible use of capital punishment via forced membership policy on countries that have long given it up, is a most pernicious abrogation of sovereign rights. It allows for a backdoor introduction for political parties in power to bring in and use death penalty procedure, whilst at the same time be absolved of responsibility to it...oh so they think. The party in power of whichever country, that ratifies the European 'super-state', will equally be ratifying the death penalty against the wishes of its people.

The people of each country need to be made aware just exactly what it means for there to be a single federalist Euro super-state.

larouche is not sound..

[hellosatellites]

Don't worry jude, most people feel the same way you do. They won't be demanding "their pound of flesh", gusto or not.

i'm for death penalty, but not like this (the mentioned lisbon treaty) and not for those reasons.

[elysiumfire]

Jesuitsdidit:larouche is not sound...

Based upon what evidence and reasoning? I am not disagreeing or agreeing with you, but would like you to clarify your statement, please. Ta.

[rhydra]

There is a choice, fight to win, or wait and watch your family, friends become enslaved and live under this threat.

[dreamweaver]

well, I don't believe in the Death Penalty at all, under any circumstances!

the Death Penalty was abolished in the UK - it should now be a get out clause for leaving the EU, but I'm sure Westmonster is delighted with it and will applaud loudly as the sheeple demand their pound of flesh with gusto!

Idiots!

There's a problem for them here in that they are signatories to the European Convention of Human Rights, which expressly forbids the death penalty. Contrary to popular misconception, the ECHR is not part of the EU, it is a separate institution formed under a separate treaty that was ratified before the Common Market (forerunner of the EU) existed.

So this clause is completely illegal, even under their terms.

[bagatell]

Jesuitsdidit:

Based upon what evidence and reasoning? I am not disagreeing or agreeing with you, but would like you to clarify your statement, please. Ta.

Me too, waddaya know?

[decided]

If you are for the death penalty for ANY reason, you are for the death penalty. So be careful!

[cleopatraxxx]

There is no way the death penalty will be accepted into the current sociopolitical climate of europe. Northwestern europe is the epicenter of political correctness and 'soft values'.
I am actually in favour of the death penalty (not for rioting though :D) and this is something that can't be mentioned in polite company without creating intense feelings of indignation and disgust. Granted, Denmark (where i live) must be the one of the most pc countries in the world, but i think scandinavia and most of europe are of a similar mentality. Can't see anything as extreme as the death penalty happening anytime soon.

surely DEATH PENALTY is what people on FAROE ISLAND deserve for Slaughtering WHALES and DOLHPINS, (http://www.symfodesign.com/protectingLIFE.htm)


do you agree?

[hellosatellites]

surely DEATH PENALTY is what people on FAROE ISLAND deserve for Slaughtering WHALES and DOLHPINS, (http://www.symfodesign.com/protectingLIFE.htm)


do you agree?

well, personally i wouldn't go as far as suggesting the death penalty, although the slaughtering of these beautiful animals - and all animals actually - is a horrendous crime. The slaughterers certainly deserved to have their arses kicked. imho.

Do you think death penalty is appropriate in the case you mention?

I'm in favour of death penalty in cases of gross abuse of power that seriously inflicts pain, trauma, loss, death on other human beings - like child abuse, trafficking, rape, slavery, war mongering etc. Psychopaths are bad enough from their destructive influence on individual victims life and the various repercussions that has in society...i can't see why we should also fork out tonnes of money and ressources on keeping these criminals alive. It's ludicrously expensive to run prisons, therapy treatments that don't work etc -money that could be spent on the betterment of the lives of people who need it; better schools and hospitals, better conditions for the poor, the elderly, the mentally ill etc...

i don't think about the death penalty in terms of punishment - simply as a more fair and constructive use of the money and ressources that we spend on psychopathic criminals. It's controversial :rolleyes: My pc humanist friends want to lynch me when i mention it...

[simplysimon]

I don't believe that the state should ever have the right to take a life. Whether through a justice system or through war. I do feel that a solution has to be found for heinous crimes though. I think that solitary confinement with limited resources (food they have to grow, water, sanitation, etc) would be more amenable. Maybe that might help reconnect them to the Earth.

[lewi]

Funny how a thread pops up with David Icke saying please do not riot and all of a sudden there trying to bring in the death penalty for this... also why are sick twisted fucked up murderers getting off scott free with a few years jail time instead of being "put down" like the animals they are yet they say they will impose this Death penalty law to the once law abiding people who are sick off the goverments lies and deceit and illegal wars ???

Its seems the world goverment is slowly becoming an enemy of the people but will they cull the whole dam population if everyone takes to the streets because that what they are saying !?

[leviathanstaar]

They fool people with the illusion of 'thier' justice.

it should be purely about 'is death deserved for "x", but it is not.

Thus imho the state cannot take lives as it is inherintly corrupt.

Constantly I try to warn people who join groups on facebook that are "WE DEMAND TOUGHER PENALTIES FOR (insert something wretched)

I tell them that in a perfect world that is what would happen, but its not perfect, so that CANNOT happen.

I explain that this is encouraged and promoted and often completely fabricated groups. I tell them when you have super stern laws for everything it results in govt simply claiming you've done these things on a large scale and taking total control.

Most of the time they do not understand that they have to have a certain amount of risk in thier lives, or else.

[baron von lotsov]

Vote for an anti-EU party in June and that will let them know what you think of their plans. It really is that simple, these scoundrels are terrified of elections, and the Labour Party are in meltdown e.g. :

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/labour/4958211/Labour-faces-struggle-to-renew-itself-says-Peter-Mandelson.html

[bagatell]

Vote for an anti-EU party in June and that will let them know what you think of their plans.

You really think they give a f*** what any of us think? Dream on.

[blondina1]

this is terrible :(

I second that :(

[bowtiedaddy]

Funny how a thread pops up with David Icke saying please do not riot and all of a sudden there trying to bring in the death penalty for this... also why are sick twisted fucked up murderers getting off scott free with a few years jail time instead of being "put down" like the animals they are yet they say they will impose this Death penalty law to the once law abiding people who are sick off the goverments lies and deceit and illegal wars ???

Its seems the world goverment is slowly becoming an enemy of the people but will they cull the whole dam population if everyone takes to the streets because that what they are saying !?

They want people to riot SO that they can kill them legally. Don't riot. It's what they want you to do, so that they can kill you, throw you in camps. They couldn't just come in and slaughter the lot of you without finding a way of justifying it legally, even if it's unethically.

This is like when they're spreading drugs around on the streets and then "cracking down on drugs". Problem reaction solution. They want to create a rioting problem so they can bring in their police state solution, and terminally take our their opposition at the same time.

[hellosatellites]

I don't believe that the state should ever have the right to take a life. Whether through a justice system or through war. I do feel that a solution has to be found for heinous crimes though. I think that solitary confinement with limited resources (food they have to grow, water, sanitation, etc) would be more amenable. Maybe that might help reconnect them to the Earth.

That's a noble solution...certainly a lot kinder than mine :) And it might work too.

[lewi]

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[the worm that turned]

I'm sorry but take a step back and be realistic here. A man is going to KILL another man for rioting (i.e. causing civil unrest, criminal damage or in the worst case, harming another person).

Ich don't think so!

Good luck to the first judge who sentences a man to death again in England. As Dreamweaver correctly points out, the European Convention on Human Rights forbids the Death Penalty as does the Human Rights Act 1998 (I believe).

There are 27 Member States in the EU, that's a hell of a lot of rioting and a hell of a lot of rope/bullets or injections!!!

[gilly]

Does anybody know the legalities - does the Lisbon Treaty legaly supercede existing laws?

[dreamweaver]

Good luck to the first judge who sentences a man to death again in England. As Dreamweaver correctly points out, the European Convention on Human Rights forbids the Death Penalty as does the Human Rights Act 1998 (I believe)
The Human Rights Act simply enables the Articles of the ECHR to be applied through the British courts instead of having to go to the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg.

Even if they repealed the Human Rights Act (a possibility), they would still have to withdraw from the European Convention on Human Rights treaty too.

The death penalty has also been repealed under the UK legal systems too.

But just to confuse things, Britain as an EU member is also subject to EU law and answerable to the European Court of Justice (which is an EU court). So if the death penalty is part of the EU Lisbon Treaty, then it's EU law and our domestic courts can be overruled on this.

So we have two legal systems in contradiction here...

[gilly]

Lisbon Treaty introduces EU-wide death penalty
Helga Zepp-LaRouche is no-one that Cranmer has ever heard of, but she is chair(wo)man of the German political party Civil Rights Solidarity Movement (BüSo). She spoke recently on the EU’s Lisbon Treaty, and drew attention by analysis by one Professor Schachtschneider, who is also not someone with whom Cranmer is acquainted.

However, it appears that the Treaty of Lisbon reintroduces the death penalty in Europe, which Helga Zepp-LaRouche thinks is ‘very important’ (just a bit), ‘in light of the fact that Italy was trying to abandon the death penalty through the United Nations, forever. And this is not in the treaty, but in a footnote, because with the European Union reform treaty, we accept also the European Union Charter, which says that there is no death penalty, and then it has a footnote, which says, "except in the case of war, riots, upheaval"—then the death penalty is possible. Schachtschneider points to the fact that this is an outrage, because they put it in a footnote of a footnote, and you have to read it, like really like a super-expert to find out!’

Cranmer has not bothered to check this footnote to a footnote, not least because, although he has never heard of Helga Zepp-LaRouche or Professor Schachtschneider, he is inclined to trust them impeccably against the scheming and manipulating liars in Brussels.

Let us not forget that the Union is acquiring the legal authority to ‘provide itself with the means necessary to attain its objectives and carry through its policies’, which means raising its ‘own resources’ to finance them, which may be regarded as conferring on it revenue-raising powers, which will eventually be subject to QMV instead of unanimity. But it may also be the authority to crush any opposition, especially that which does not accord with its ‘objectives’.

The European Union not only possesses such symbols of statehood as its own flag, anthem, motto and annual official holiday. It now has its own government, with a legislature, executive and judiciary, its own President, its own citizens and citizenship, its own human and civil rights code, its own currency, economic policy and revenue, its own international treaty-making powers, foreign policy, foreign minister, diplomatic corps and United Nations voice, its own crime and justice code and Public Prosecutor.

And the citizens of the Union now owe allegiance to that Union, and to its aims and ‘objectives’, even though no-one in the UK has any idea what these objectives may be.

Buy Cranmer thinks it noteworthy that the death penalty is reintroduced for political offences, even as vague and undefined as ‘unrest’, but not for serial killers, rapists, paedophiles or child murderers.

One wonders why

http://archbishop-cranmer.blogspot.com/2008/04/lisbon-treaty-introduces-eu-wide-death.html

[simplysimon]

It won't be a judge that sentences someone to the death penalty. It will be a cop, who will be doing exactly what the law states. He will deprive a person of life because of "Rioting" or "Civil Upheaval". All the police will be doing is upholding the law.

[baron von lotsov]

You really think they give a f*** what any of us think? Dream on.


Who do you mean by 'they'?

[lynfowars]

I'm sorry but take a step back and be realistic here. A man is going to KILL another man for rioting (i.e. causing civil unrest, criminal damage or in the worst case, harming another person).

Ich don't think so!

Good luck to the first judge who sentences a man to death again in England. As Dreamweaver correctly points out, the European Convention on Human Rights forbids the Death Penalty as does the Human Rights Act 1998 (I believe).

There are 27 Member States in the EU, that's a hell of a lot of rioting and a hell of a lot of rope/bullets or injections!!!

If they suspect the publication of a death sentence would cause more unrest and riots, then it would be carried out in complete secrecy. In times of massive unrest (real or 'staged' reality) summary procedure would be carried out, there and then.

Look, this news is absolutley huge and it is disturbing that no MSM newspaper has covered this.

[dreamweaver]

It won't be a judge that sentences someone to the death penalty. It will be a cop, who will be doing exactly what the law states. He will deprive a person of life because of "Rioting" or "Civil Upheaval". All the police will be doing is upholding the law.

Yeah, this is what I suspect is going on here. Something along the lines of "lethal force is authorised". :mad:

[arten]

It won't be a judge that sentences someone to the death penalty. It will be a cop, who will be doing exactly what the law states. He will deprive a person of life because of "Rioting" or "Civil Upheaval". All the police will be doing is upholding the law.

Is it law though? I say no these are statuets that are being imposed by a bunch corrupt gangsters.
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[bradstone]

Okay, so the wording on the ballots will just be changed to 'None of the Above options' or something along those lines.

[jesuitsdidit]

so thats why they want us to riot..

or... its a ploy to avoid rioting if they r genuinely afraid of that?

[jesuitsdidit]

Vote for an anti-EU party in June and that will let them know what you think of their plans. It really is that simple, these scoundrels are terrified of elections, and the Labour Party are in meltdown e.g. :

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/labour/4958211/Labour-faces-struggle-to-renew-itself-says-Peter-Mandelson.html

any election conducted with electronic voting machines/counters must be suspected imo..

[jesuitsdidit]

You really think they give a f*** what any of us think? Dream on.

but if the vote is genuine then its worth doing..

[dreamweaver]

Is it law though? I say no these are statuets that are being imposed by a bunch corrupt gangsters.
The problem there, arten, is that the police, courts and other employees of the "corporations" will recognise these statutes as law even if you and I don't.

The freeman-on-the-land is a great concept, and I really hope the movement takes off, but I think it would be a massive leap of faith to expect it to grow quickly enough to stop TPTB implementing this. :(

[arten]

The problem there, arten, is that the police, courts and other employees of the "corporations" will recognise these statutes as law even if you and I don't.

The freeman-on-the-land is a great concept, and I really hope the movement takes off, but I think it would be a massive leap of faith to expect it to grow quickly enough to stop TPTB implementing this. :(

Well I have just quit my job because of it, for me principles are principles.
I was told by the idiot who employed me that the tax office are telling him he must stop tax and ni from me. I said to him show me the law that says I have to pay tax. The taxman will say that but it is all bolocks, so now I plan to flop on the dole lol fuck em there is more than one way to skin a cat. And if more people adopted my attitude we would bring their corrupt system crashing down quickly.

[hey_jude]

I agree with baron, the voting in June is a practical way of showing TPTB what we are made of!
Get out there and not only wake people up but inform them that a significant number are going to BOYCOTT the Lib/Dem Lab and Con parties and vote for Independent Candidates that want to leave the EU.

In David Ickes last podcast he did say we were all sitting on here "talking a lot" but doing little!
Do something practical in the UK - I run a business and all of my online customers receive leaflets in the mail and not 1 complaint in over a thousand, about my anti-EU literature - surely that tells you something!

www.eurosceptic. will send you printed anti-EU leaflets for a donation and you can make your own.

[arten]

I agree with baron, the voting in June is a practical way of showing TPTB what we are made of!
Get out there and not only wake people up but inform them that a significant number are going to BOYCOTT the Lib/Dem Lab and Con parties and vote for Independent Candidates that want to leave the EU.

In David Ickes last podcast he did say we were all sitting on here "talking a lot" but doing little!
Do something practical in the UK - I run a business and all of my online customers receive leaflets in the mail and not 1 complaint in over a thousand, about my anti-EU literature - surely that tells you something!

www.eurosceptic. will send you printed anti-EU leaflets for a donation and you can make your own.


Mate unless people are given a real alternative at the ballot box people will remain apathetic. That is why the new political party None of The Above excites me and for the first time in twenty plus years I will not only vote but actively campaign for the party. We need to show the corrupt and they all are that we the people have had enough of their duplicity and criminal activities.

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[hey_jude]

but any new party are going to be seen as scarey and untimately unelectable!

there are plenty of independent parties already jogging along and that way you are not telling people who to vote for, or to spoil their ballot papers, you're giving them alternatives to the 3 corrupt ones in power

...and most know they are corrupt

people are then free to decide = the green party or CIB or English Democrates or UKIP or BNP or whoever THEY want - you have to admit it would mess up their system?

[hey_jude]

arten
I've just had a read of your post on NOTA in the freeman forum and I think it is a great idea and if there was a NOTA on my ballot paper and none of the other candidates were to my liking I'd certainly vote NOTA!

What we need is a viral text or email - you know like jokes that pass from one end of the country to the other in a week.

[dreamweaver]

Well I have just quit my job because of it, for me principles are principles.
I was told by the idiot who employed me that the tax office are telling him he must stop tax and ni from me. I said to him show me the law that says I have to pay tax. The taxman will say that but it is all bolocks, so now I plan to flop on the dole lol fuck em there is more than one way to skin a cat. And if more people adopted my attitude we would bring their corrupt system crashing down quickly.
I know exactly what you're going through as I quit a job on principle a few months ago. Since then I've been making ends meet through short-term contracts here and there, it's not always been easy but no regrets.

Good luck with it all mate.

[arten]

Thanks m8 together we will make a difference.

[ritchs]

This is just madness, all these insane ''laws'' do is cause more anger and discontent among the people. Many people already hate the E.U super state idea, even more will hate it when the glove truly does come off the Iron fist. TBO I don't think that they're going to get away with it, these elites are clearly drunk on their own power and as they keep grabbing at more and more wealth and power their greed and hunger for power will eventually work against them, and ultimately the NWO will fail. Infact it's already failing, that's why they have to put so many draconian measures in place to try and hold it up.

Always, always the fine print does us in. Death to those who oppose the EU, the last and final face before nwo.
Over here in the States, when the bailout was proposed, I wrote many Congressmen and Senators to urge them to vote against it. Some said they would, but in the end, it was an overwhelming majority who voted yes. Some of these guys just switched their vote to yes after assuring their constituents they were against it. I have little doubt I am probably on some FBI list for just writing my congressman. It's a veritable shit storm on both sides of the pond. The 'leaders' are no longer with a vision of themselves as public servants, but as petty tyrants and potentates who line their greedy pockets and cut deals at every bend in the road. Judas Iscariot would be proud of these Brutus's. A fucking runaway freight train with the inevitable end of everything decent and good that was created for people, laid to ruin. We can only watch in dumbstruck jackass disbelieving awe at it all. .

Let the earth not bear the wicked burden. I stop short of hoping a cataclysmic event will happen to deliver us from this den of thieves. I can though, imagine the whole thing as a stench in the nostrils of God. God help us and deliver us from this evil and make things right.

[lewi]

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[hugolast]

i flat down refuse to pay tax and will fight to stay under the radar for as long as i can. I like to keep the money i earn and not give it to the feckers. I feel sorry for those who dont have a chance.

[thebarfly1]

There's a problem for them here in that they are signatories to the European Convention of Human Rights, which expressly forbids the death penalty. Contrary to popular misconception, the ECHR is not part of the EU, it is a separate institution formed under a separate treaty that was ratified before the Common Market (forerunner of the EU) existed.

So this clause is completely illegal, even under their terms.

Ok, I havent read this thread past this post, so apologies if this has already been mentioned. I spent quite a while studying the lisbon treaty and ECHR last year before the Irish referendum.

Ok, so here goes - The ECHR is not currently legally binding to EU nations, however, if the Lisbon treaty is ratified, it confers legal power to the ECHR. The section about the Death Penalty laid out in the ECHR is daft, because, as dreamweaver says, it forbids the death penalty....
But it doesn't either...

Basically (i dont have the text at hand but i remember it well)
It says in ECHR - Nobody shall be condemned to the death penalty. (brilliant, we say!, and this is the line supporters of the lisbon treaty quote!)

BUT - THE VERY NEXT SENTENCE SAYS - Nobody shall be condemned to the death penalty unless in a time of civil unrest, time of war or threat of war!

Now excuse me, but as far as I can see, we're currently in a time of war, juding by the amount of british occupying the middle east presently.

The following paragraphs in the section referenced above outline the new authority granted to police officers to detain anybody who may be suffering from alcoholism, drug addiction, homelessness etc.(without having broken any laws). Real nice.

SO - yes, if my fellow countrymen decide that they want to change their mind on lisbon, this is what we get.

EDIT - Here are the relevant sections from ECHR::

From the right to life section of the ECHR:

"1. Everyone has the right to life.

2. No one shall be condemned to the death penalty, or executed."

a) Article 2(2) of the ECHR:
‘Deprivation of life shall not be regarded as inflicted in contravention of this Article when it results from the use of force which is no more than absolutely necessary:

in defence of any person from lawful violence
in order to effect a lawful arrest or to prevent the escape of a person lawfully detained;
in action lawfully taken for the purpose of quelling a riot or insurrection.’ “


“b) Article 2 of the Protocol No 6 to the ECHR:
‘A State may make provision in its law for the death penalty in respect of acts committed in time of war or of imminent threat of war; such a penalty shall be applied only in the instances laid down in the law and in accordance with its provisions…”

"Art 6. Right to liberty and security - www.eucharter.org/home.php?page_id=62

"1. Everyone has the right to liberty and security of person. No one shall be deprived of his liberty save in the following cases and in accordance with a procedure prescribed by law:"
(d) the detention of a minor by lawful order for the purpose of educational supervision or his lawful detention for the purpose of bringing him before the competent legal authority;
(e) the lawful detention of persons for the prevention of the spreading of infectious diseases, of persons of unsound mind, alcoholics or drug addicts or vagrants;"

[arten]

i flat down refuse to pay tax and will fight to stay under the radar for as long as i can. I like to keep the money i earn and not give it to the feckers. I feel sorry for those who dont have a chance.

Mate I agree with you and I also agree with thos who say there is more than one way to skin a cat. Have a look at the new political party that I am batting for NOTA I believe that together we can make a real difference.

Why Vote for - None of the Above 16:23
Statement of Principle: All legitimate consent requires the ability to withhold consent; therefore, the legitimate consent of voters requires they be able to withhold their consent in an election to office.

Welcome to NOTA. A political organistation that seeks to increase the participation of the electorate at elections. The last General Election 2005 Recorded a turnout of 61% of the electorate (see link). A minority of that 61% voted for the now Government giving them a majority in the house of commons of 66. From 21.53% of the overall electorate

http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/area/uk/turnout.htm

At the time there was both disappointment and anxiety amongst all shades of the political class and the idea of a positive abstention 'None of the Above' was on the agenda.

The count down for the next election has began and the collective wisdom of the self proclaim Independent Electoral Commission and our Government have ruled that the option of a positive abstention has been at best, put on the back burner.

Not only do our political masters deny us, the electorate, the option of voting against all with a cross placed in the box with the heading 'None of the Above, they have also prohibited the expression 'None of the above' as a title for registration of a political party. It is the only explicit expression prohibited.

Their explanation? Go to:
htp://www.legislation.hmso.gov.uk/si/em2005/uksiem_20050147_en.pdf
The EC does hold the electorate in high regard

This organisation has submitted an application to the Electoral Commission to register the party name, 'NOTA'. Legislation gives the 'Independent' Electoral Commission power to refuse to register a name or description, for various reason including if, in its opinion, it

• Includes any prohibited words or expression
• Could mislead a voter about the effect of their vote.
• Could contradict or hinder a voter's understanding of any instruction about the voting process.

It is our contention that only 'None of the above' is a prohibited expression and this is quite explicit. The legislation does not state, 'None of the above or similar meaning or looking expressions, as being prohibited.

We are of the view that NOTA would not mislead the voter about the effect of their vote or that it could hinder a voter's understanding of any instruction about the voting process.

If you agree with this please contact the electoral Commission at:

http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/contact.

Please express your views. We would appreciate it, if you could cc us in order that we could monitor matters. If you were to supply your personal details it would help us ensure that genuine representations are made by the electorate and help us to identify those fictitious representations made by other party activist.

If you want to have the opportunity to make a Positive Abstention at the next General Election you need to act now and contact the Electoral Commision, to act in your interests and not those of the existing political party cartel.


Questions and Answers.

What are the policies of 'NOTA'?

We do not have any policies since our aim is solely to facilitate a procedure whereby those people who wish to expression a positive abstention can do so with that vote duly recorded.

Why register as a political party?

We are not political party although we have had to attempt to register a political party in order for the Party name 'NOTA' can, subject to the approval of the Electoral Commission, be protected from imitation. So that the electorate can be confident that their vote would be accurately recorded.

Should I have the opportunity to vote for a NOTA Candidate and they return the highest vote what happens next?

I think this question should be addressed to our political master. Notwithstanding that, the Candidate would attend Parliament and register accordingly then resign their seat in order to provoke a by-election. In which they will stand again. Should they be elected again then they would take their seat and campaign for the implementation of 'None of the Above' on the ballot paper. And take up the duties of a constituency MP.

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[dreamweaver]

Basically (i dont have the text at hand but i remember it well)
It says in ECHR - Nobody shall be condemned to the death penalty. (brilliant, we say!, and this is the line supporters of the lisbon treaty quote!)

BUT - THE VERY NEXT SENTENCE SAYS - Nobody shall be condemned to the death penalty unless in a time of civil unrest, time of war or threat of war!

Now excuse me, but as far as I can see, we're currently in a time of war, juding by the amount of british occupying the middle east presently.

Holy crap! :eek:

I should have gone back and read the whole thing, it's been a while. You're absolutely right, of course, that get-out clause has been there all along.

Bastards! :mad:

[thebarfly1]

Yep. It was actually a point that wasn't highlighted by any of the main parties campaigning either for or against the treaty last year, it was something myself and a few friends stumbled across.

Scary stuff really!
The bit that gets me especially is the bit about detaining people for a whole wealth of things.. "Unsound mind" - Sounds strangely like Nineteen Eighty-Four.

[gilly]

Holy crap! :eek:

I should have gone back and read the whole thing, it's been a while. You're absolutely right, of course, that get-out clause has been there all along.

Bastards! :mad:

That was why I posted that section that mentioned this in both documents foot notes (I should have highlighted the relevant bits instead of being lazy).

It's there in monochrome, & it's bloody scary!

[gilly]

Yep. It was actually a point that wasn't highlighted by any of the main parties campaigning either for or against the treaty last year, it was something myself and a few friends stumbled across.

Scary stuff really!
The bit that gets me especially is the bit about detaining people for a whole wealth of things.. "Unsound mind" - Sounds strangely like Nineteen Eighty-Four.

Ditto - particularly when, for eg., they're publicly starting to label people who voice dissent at their global warming lies as having a mental disorder.

[simplysimon]

Got to take a lighter view of this. Remember they are trying to protect the importance of their ego through this legislation. We have to forget living in fear of these things. the poor souls that put this legislation in probably need more love than they have at the moment.

Peace

[thebarfly1]

Got to take a lighter view of this. Remember they are trying to protect the importance of their ego through this legislation. We have to forget living in fear of these things. the poor souls that put this legislation in probably need more love than they have at the moment.

Peace

I dont live in fear of their laws, thats why i spend time educating people as to what their laws are. As for the people that drafted this legislation, i've been in touch with some people who actually helped draft this, and love is the last thing on their mind.
I can attest to this by being verbally abused in public by a high ranking civil servant for merely pointing out facts and questioning the purpose of such things in legislation.

It's not very fun when your own employees (civil servants,government) start getting lippy with you once you ask them what they've been up to.

[alzee]

I gather that in order to enter into legal force, the Treaty of Lisbon must be ratified in all Member States.

Seeing as how Ireland haven't ratified, the treaty can't come into force.

Time to bombard Irish forums methinks!

[thebarfly1]

I gather that in order to enter into legal force, the Treaty of Lisbon must be ratified in all Member States.

Seeing as how Ireland haven't ratified, the treaty can't come into force.

Time to bombard Irish forums methinks!


Correctamundo. It needs unanimity to be passed. We beat it once, so we just have to make it 2-0 to let them know we wont be sold down the river

[gilly]

What a damned shame the Irish were the only ones to decline. Now there'll be all kinds of pressures put on them to force their hand.

[duckandcover]

What a damned shame the Irish were the only ones to decline. Now there'll be all kinds of pressures put on them to force their hand.

I fear you are correct :( they`ve been recieving bribes for years aka `eu funded project`

[jolinemaria]

What a damned shame the Irish were the only ones to decline. Now there'll be all kinds of pressures put on them to force their hand.

The Dutch people declined as well. But then the government shoved it up our throats anyway.

[alzee]

I gather the Irish vote was quite close last time; some 56% v 44%, or thereabouts.

You can bet there's lots of pressures going on to swing some of that vote back towards a YES vote.

We need to do everything we can to make sure that those Irish people who are uninformed, become informed. Hence my mention of bombarding Irish forums.

I'm sure the vast majority of the Irish would be as disgusted as we are over this 'hidden footnote'.

[duckandcover]

I think things would have to be very bad for the uk to start executing rioters, even the most docile sheep would start bleating!

[gilly]

I can't believe the bastard Brown sidled off & signed without anyone even knowing what was going on, and just got away with it, completely unscathed.

Just for a laugh, when I picked my lad up from school today, I asked a group of other mums who I chat to, what they thought of the Lisbon Treaty. They had no idea what I was talking about, even in the most general terms, & were eager to get back on topic re where they would get their hair & nails done.

[alzee]

I can't believe the bastard Brown sidled off & signed without anyone even knowing what was going on, and just got away with it, completely unscathed.

Just for a laugh, when I picked my lad up from school today, I asked a group of other mums who I chat to, what they thought of the Lisbon Treaty. They had no idea what I was talking about, even in the most general terms, & were eager to get back on topic re where they would get their hair & nails done.

Nice one for making the effort, it's a shame it went over their heads.

To be fair to them though, unless someone makes the concerted effort to find out about it, theyre not gonna know about it. It's not as if the MSM tells Joe Public much about it. Other than the "nasty Ireland not signing it" of course :rolleyes:

Many people are just so happy in their own lives and convinced that "this is how it'll always be" that they never bother looking beyond their TV or Newspaper. As far as they're concerned, why should they look? Afterall, the gov't is there to look out for them and the media wouldn't outright lie to them because there are "official departments" who make sure that doesn't happen..... right?

Bleh, I wish I could articulate myself better :p

Hey gilly, at least you can come here and chat about it :)

[gilly]

Hey gilly, at least you can come here and chat about it :)

Yes & it's a relief.

Also, I learn quite a lot on this forum. :)

[jesuitsdidit]

Me too, waddaya know?

i cannot reveal all my sources
but ive hrd hes defo on other side
serves the agenda..

[impermanence]

I gather the Irish vote was quite close last time; some 56% v 44%, or thereabouts.

You can bet there's lots of pressures going on to swing some of that vote back towards a YES vote.

We need to do everything we can to make sure that those Irish people who are uninformed, become informed. Hence my mention of bombarding Irish forums.

I'm sure the vast majority of the Irish would be as disgusted as we are over this 'hidden footnote'.

All the Irish masses care about now is the economy, the ruling class have won, end of story. Lisbon is in next vote, I'll bet my balls. Don't waste your breath.

[lewi]

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[queenofleon]

It's almost as if political leaders are mortally afraid of people rioting. What a bunch of fear-based losers.

No I dont believe that, they are trying to piss us off so much so that we do riot, then they have an excuse to kill aload of us off, which is their intention.

Cull as many of us before 2012 as possible, cos when and if the DNA switch happens, we are too powerful.

We are too powerful already, we just dont realise it.

they are shit scared of us , full stop, the instigated rioting is to use this bill as an excuse to wipe us out.

[cleopatraxxx]

No I dont believe that, they are trying to piss us off so much so that we do riot, then they have an excuse to kill aload of us off, which is their intention.

Cull as many of us before 2012 as possible, cos when and if the DNA switch happens, we are too powerful.

We are too powerful already, we just dont realise it.

they are shit scared of us , full stop, the instigated rioting is to use this bill as an excuse to wipe us out.

in red i outlined what scares me most: the fact that people believe that a DNA switch of a positive nature will happen. after we ARE ALL MICROCHIPPED, THE SWITCH WILL BE: US MANIPULATED VIA MICROCHIP, THAT IS THE REAL SWITCH ... and not the new age stuff they are trying to make us believe in...

[lemonique]

Came across this pdf...

http://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/CC_2009_17.pdf

[melting dogma]

This was to be expected. Since when systems and ideologies haven't been punishing (gettin rid of, killing) people who use dissent and force against them?
As long as the majority agrees with the system even if it's because they're afraid the system is working and has a purpose.

So if you plan to die with your boots on and free you're better get your gear ready because you will be a hunted man. The saddest thing is that by showing you're dissent to rulers you're not really gaining anything but a justification to be killed as a dangerous terrorist.

[iliveinhope]

On 20th Feb 2008 a caucus meeting was held at the German Parliament in Munich to discuss the Lisbon Treaty.

At this meeting a previously unmentioned paragraph was bought to light by Professor Schachtschneider, Humanities Faculty -University of Nuremberg.

Professor Schachtschneider, explained that the undisclosed paragraph means on ratification of the Lisbon Treaty the DEATH PENALTY will be reintroduced to Europe. The Death Penalty will be applicable for the crimes of RIOTING, CIVIL UPHEAVAL and DURING WAR. (When are we not at war and who will define riot and upheaval?)

more info here (http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=5932)

Does anyone know exactly where this is stated in the treaty? i can't find it.
The treaty can be downloaded here www.lisbontreaty2009.ie
If any of you can find it please note the reference number at the end of the page it's on.

[gilly]

sorry, I don't have time to search now, but it's been posted a few months ago that it's only when referencing 2 addendums that this is identified as a clause of the treaty.

[mightiswrong]

http://www.eucharter.org/home.php?page_id=9

[queenofleon]

There is no way the death penalty will be accepted into the current sociopolitical climate of europe. Northwestern europe is the epicenter of political correctness and 'soft values'.
I am actually in favour of the death penalty (not for rioting though :D) and this is something that can't be mentioned in polite company without creating intense feelings of indignation and disgust. Granted, Denmark (where i live) must be the one of the most pc countries in the world, but i think scandinavia and most of europe are of a similar mentality. Can't see anything as extreme as the death penalty happening anytime soon.

Wasnt it Ghandi that said "and eye for an eye and the whole world is blind!"

I dont agree with it under any terms. Castrate peadophiles thats my only stance.

[iliveinhope]

http://www.eucharter.org/home.php?page_id=9

Thanks but i would actually need to find it in the treaty itself at www.lisbontreaty2009.ie to be able to show it to people thinking of voting yes. I'm gone cross eyed from scanning the treaty all day.

[rodin]

You are not wrong
& aren't are Governments & all there Leadership act paranoia & out of order?

The Phenomena is that the Protocol highlights pretty much the situation we are facing; but you have to read it all to make the connection!

Coincidental? ....... Well I don't believe in to many coincidences happening in a short time period ..... like following a script.

absolutely

[refusetoconsent]

I would not worry about the laws to much.The EUs Corpus Juris in 1992, which puts the government above the law, largely replaced Common Law, where the government was our servant. Have you noticed how it has been impossible for years to prosecute a police officer for murder or manslaughter? Impossible to get any government official fired and prosecuted for any crime?
The only option left for the masses is to riot or sit back,get chipped, and start dribbling.
( id just like to say well done to girlgye on her stand)