Bob Marley's death

[decode reality]

In the 1990s I began hearing rumours that Bob Marley was murdered by the establishment. His message and popularity will certainly have posed a threat to the elite.

I heard an interview with Bob from 1979. He was talking about wanting to create his own record company that distributed his music across the African continent. That kind of self sufficient indepenence, coupled with his fame, would also have rocked the elite's boat.

A year prior to Bob's death, he was looking poised to crack the elusive US market and South American also. On his 1980, he played to 100,000 people in Italy either Milan, or possibly Rome!). So he and The Wailers were taking care of business, as they say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxZPWp3tELg

Check this clip- the main content is really the first 5 mins.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread235511/pg1
Also an interesting thread

And you may want to check out an article entitled "The CIA & REGGAE" which is easily googled.

[decode reality]

When you think back to the early 80s, there's a strange and chilling synchronicity. Within a couple of years of "Thatcherism"/"Reaganomics" being introduced, both John Lennon and Bob Marley die, within 6 months of each other.

[decode reality]

OOPS...I thought I'd posted this on the "celebrity death" BB. Please feel free to move it.;)

[lightgiver]

In the 1990s I began hearing rumours that Bob Marley was murdered by the establishment. His message and popularity will certainly have posed a threat to the elite.

I heard an interview with Bob from 1979. He was talking about wanting to create his own record company that distributed his music across the African continent. That kind of self sufficient indepenence, coupled with his fame, would also have rocked the elite's boat.

A year prior to Bob's death, he was looking poised to crack the elusive US market and South American also. On his 1980, he played to 100,000 people in Italy either Milan, or possibly Rome!). So he and The Wailers were taking care of business, as they say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxZPWp3tELg

Check this clip- the main content is really the first 5 mins.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread235511/pg1
Also an interesting thread

And you may want to check out an article entitled "The CIA & REGGAE" which is easily googled.

Hi there,:)

Yes quite possibly:( i have read and heard some similar things,there was one web site where the site holder was claiming this and was glad about it:mad: I will try and find it.

they tried to shoot him the 1st time around.:(

and a lot of crimes against humanity and animal kind get overlooked and ignored in this Satan run world.

Here you go,also someone wants D Icke going the same way also,man this is one sick messed up world.

http://rio_alto.gnn.tv/blogs/26835/Collapse_of_the_Reptilian_Empire

hope David Icke dies from a snake or Komodo dragon bite for his stupid ass vilification of reptiles and influence on stupid fucking people. As if our mammalian emotions of jealousy, greed, hatred, etc. haven’t hurt us…

[astrochicken]

OOPS...I thought I'd posted this on the "celebrity death" BB. Please feel free to move it.;)


LOL.. it's you again.


I reckon he was murdered too.

Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery;
None but ourselves can free our minds.
Have no fear for atomic energy,
cause none of them can stop the time.
How long shall they kill our prophets,
While we stand aside and look? ooh!
Some say its just a part of it:
Weve got to fulfil de book.

Wont you help to sing
These songs of freedom? -
cause all I ever have:
Redemption songs;


You don't write lyrics like that, reach masses of people AND do it with reggae and live to tell the story. Bob was far to bloody dangerous.

[lightgiver]

LOL.. it's you again.


I reckon he was murdered too.

Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery;
None but ourselves can free our minds.
Have no fear for atomic energy,
cause none of them can stop the time.
How long shall they kill our prophets,
While we stand aside and look? ooh!
Some say its just a part of it:
Weve got to fulfil de book.

Wont you help to sing
These songs of freedom? -
cause all I ever have:
Redemption songs;


You don't write lyrics like that, reach masses of people AND do it with reggae and live to tell the story. Bob was far to bloody dangerous.

His sons live on though,and so does Bobs words ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNnEuZglKrU

Babylon system is indeed the Vampire.

[hunkahunka]

interesting related tidbit is that the drummer for the pseudo-reggae band 'the Police' , was the son of a CIA agent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stewart_Copeland
Stewart Copeland

Copeland's oldest brother Miles Copeland III, founder of I.R.S. Records, was manager of the Police and has overseen Stewart's interests in other music projects. Stewart's other brother, the now deceased Ian Copeland, was a pioneering booking agent who represented the Police, amongst many others. His father, Miles Copeland, once worked for the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), according to files released by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) in 2008.[3]

[free thinker]

Redemption song

So much trouble in the world

Exodus

Buffalo soldier

All have messages in them, legend sorly missed by millions.
I love to play his songs on my guitar, three little birds was my first that i learned then Redemption song, followed by No woman no cry....now play quite a few;)...not bad for a white guy eh?:p

[lightgiver]

Redemption song

So much trouble in the world

Exodus

Buffalo soldier

All have messages in them, legend sorly missed by millions.
I love to play his songs on my guitar, three little birds was my first that i learned then Redemption song, followed by No woman no cry....now play quite a few;)...not bad for a white guy eh?:p

Black and white :p:D

[decode reality]

interesting related tidbit is that the drummer for the pseudo-reggae band 'the Police' , was the son of a CIA agent.

Yes, that's right. He managed Sting initially (dunno if he does now) and managed Jools Holland when he first went solo, if I recall. Stewart Copeland and Sting differed fundamentally in politics, apparently. But political motivations aside, the guy was/is one FANTASTIC drummer.

[kingmonkey]

The CIA had a pretty big presence in Jamaica 'coz of its proximity to Cuba. The Manly government said that the communist gov. in angola was the rightful government, so America got all paranoid thinking that Jamica was gonna turn "red". Our old pal Kissinger warned Jamaica/Manly to keep out of the Angola issue and stay nuetral (ie; be complicit with America by their silence). Plus Manly started to tax American businesses that was in Jamaica. Marley publicly aligned himself with Manly at some point, and due to his popularity, was seen as a threat to America because of his support for an "unfriendly" leadership.

[decode reality]

The CIA had a pretty big presence in Jamaica 'coz of its proximity to Cuba. The Manly government said that the communist gov. in angola was the rightful government, so America got all paranoid thinking that Jamica was gonna turn "red". Our old pal Kissinger warned Jamaica/Manly to keep out of the Angola issue and stay nuetral (ie; be complicit with America by their silence). Plus Manly started to tax American businesses that was in Jamaica. Marley publicly aligned himself with Manly at some point, and due to his popularity, was seen as a threat to America because of his support for an "unfriendly" leadership.

Thanks for that...there we go again with that man Kissinger. I recall a programme in 2002 on BBC2....it was celebrating 40 years of "Jamaican independence" and I remember being quite impressed by Manley's policies. I think it was his approach to government that allowed Rastafari to develop and exert more influence on the culture in Jamaica from the early 70's.

There was another BBC2 programme also that year on the history of reggae. Mutabaruka was in it and said of Manley: "After a while he kind of lost it...there's something about politics that turn even good men into devils" Hmmm.

[kingmonkey]

Yeah, he was pretty popular for a while and then the tide turned. Probably down to American pressure for one thing. I think they finished up starting some kind of cuba-esque trade embargo on Jamaica in the 70's. Always a winning formula the trade embargo with these scumbags.

I think that history of reggae docu is still flying around the net somewhere.

P.S. just visited your myspace page... good stuff!

[decode reality]

Yeah, he was pretty popular for a while and then the tide turned. Probably down to American pressure for one thing. I think they finished up starting some kind of cuba-esque trade embargo on Jamaica in the 70's. Always a winning formula the trade embargo with these scumbags.

I think that history of reggae docu is still flying around the net somewhere.

P.S. just visited your myspace page... good stuff!

Yes, that Cuban link was how Maurice Bishop was taken out in Greneda.

Thanks for your comment on my page!:)

[schaff]

Good thread decode reality i like marleys music and think he was definitely an artist whose music and lyrics would really piss the elite of and just get positive vibes from him.Ive lost a lot of bands and musicians i followed and loved only to find out that theyve sold there soul and are pushing an agenda and part of some secret society:mad:. I defo think he was murdered he was such an influence in Jamaica and the whole world.

[decode reality]

Good thread decode reality i like marleys music and think he was definitely an artist whose music and lyrics would really piss the elite of and just get positive vibes from him.Ive lost a lot of bands and musicians i followed and loved only to find out that theyve sold there soul and are pushing an agenda and part of some secret society:mad:. I defo think he was murdered he was such an influence in Jamaica and the whole world.

The US "intelligence" will have kept a close eye on the Jamaican reggae scene in the 70s, at Marley's height. It was so politicised, anti Babylon and was bringing lots of people together. Marley was well aware of what was going on.

[1eyeopen]

Despite hearing of him in my childhood it's taken me until my mid-twenties to listen to his music, it's beautiful. I'd not of appreciated it had I heard it earlier in my life.

[decode reality]

Years ago I read a book containing interviews with reggae stars. It's called THE REGGAE FILES and it's from 1985.

Bob's late 60s producer Lee Scratch Perry says in that book that when he (Scratch) went for a board meeting with Island Records owner Chris Blackwell. He said that before he went in, he saw Blackwelll through a window sacrificing a chicken and drinking the blood.

Now, that didn't really 'click' at the time, I thought "Ah, there goes Scratch again". It could be absolutely nothing. But since reading all the stuff like Biggest Secret etc, it made me think.

[velma]

“I don't stand for the black man's side, I don' t stand for the white man's side. I stand for God's side.” - Robert Nesta Marley

I saw Bob Marley, live in concert at the Glasgow Apollo and again at Crystal Palace in 1980 on the Uprising Tour, just before he died, where he opened his set with; "sun is shining, the weather is sweet" and it was... He cast a mystical, tranquil spell over his many adoring fans that day. Bob Marley's unique brand of reggae music, worshiping Ras Tafari, Emperor of Ethiopia, as the living King of Kings and Conquering Lion of the Tribe of Judah, resounded throughout the known world and struck a cord within oppressed peoples from the Bronx to Botswana and the jungles of Borneo. At the bottom of the Grand Canyon in Arizona, Havasupai Indians revere Bob and sing his songs.

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God, but the warmongers are most threatened by the people's heroes and as a result, they often meet a premature and mysterious end, like Jimi Hendrix, Bruce Lee and John Lennon. Bob Marley was no exception. When Bob fell ill in 1980, after his last performance at Madison Square Garden, he was diagnosed as suffering from exhaustion, but within a year, he was dead at the age of thirty-six, riddled with cancer in his lungs, stomach and brain.

Lew Lee, a documentary filmmaker said; "People came by his house. There were always people going in and out. Someone gave Bob a pair of boots. He put his foot in and said "Ow!" A friend got in there - you know how Jamaicans are. He said, "let's get in here" - in the boot, and he pulled a piece of copper wire out. It was embedded in the boot." The assumption is it was radioactive because Marley later broke his toe playing soccer in London and when the bone wouldn't mend, the doctors found that the toe had cancer.

The cancer metastasised throughout his entire body, but Bob believed he could fight this thing. He wanted to do anything but to turn to Western medicine, however he rapidly deteriorated and had a slight stroke. At the Sloan-Kettering Cancer Institute, the chemotherapy itself seemed to be killing him, so, innocently he handed himself over to struggle with the disease for eight months at the 'alternative' clinic of Dr. Joseph Issels in Bavaria, who was considered a quack by the American Cancer Society.

Lee claims, "Dr. Issels said that he could cure Bob." They cut Bob's dreadlocks off and he was getting all of this crazy, crazy (experimental) medical treatment in Switzerland. Lew Lee knew this because of Ray Von Evans, who played in Marley's group, they were very close friends. As Bob was receiving these medical treatments, Ray would come by every two or three months and told Lee, "Yeah, mon, they're killing Bob. They are KILLING Bob." He said, "What do you mean they are killing Bob?" "No, no, mon," Ray said. "Dis Dr. Issels, he's a Nazi!"

During Bob's stay at Dr. Joseph Issels clinic in Bad Wiesse, he was subjected to blood transfusions, hyperthermia and illegal injections of THX. He was put on a restricted diet until he weighed only five stones and was forbidden from eating ital food brought from Jamaica. His friends who found his weight loss alarming, felt the treatment was "breaking down Bob's physical structure."

But a very 'telling' conversation took place when Dr. Issels told Bob a story about a German friend who had advised Issels not to treat him, saying that Marley was the most dangerous black man on the planet. A strange (Nazi) acquaintance for an eminent doctor? Not really, Joseph Issels was an officer in the SS, a colleague of notorious Joseph Mengele and had served a jail term for manslaughter. Mengele survived the war and enjoyed the protection and employment of the CIA. Bob himself sometimes felt the injections he was given were poison, and in bad moments thought they were trying to kill him.

When Bob was too ill to continue treatment and Issels sent him home to die, he kissed his teeth bitterly and said softly, "Dr. Issels is a madman..." Who the cap fits, let them wear it; but the National Security Act of 1947, the CIA charter, does not grant national security thugs and Nazi doctors a lisence to kill! Robert Nesta Marley, the King of Reggae, had been at the pinnacle of his career and was in danger of inciting peace and unity when he died of cancer in a Miami hospital on Monday May 11, 1981.

This could be the first trumpet
Might as well be the last
Many more will have to suffer
Many more will have to die
Don’t ask me why….

That until the philosophy which holds one race superior and another inferior is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned: That until there are no longer first-class and second class citizens of any nation; That until the colour of a man's skin is of no more significance than the colour of his eyes; That until the basic human rights are equally guaranteed to all without regard to race; That until that day, the dream of lasting peace and world citizenship and the rule of international morality will remain but a fleeting illusion, to be pursued but never attained; And until the ignoble and unhappy regimes that hold our brothers in Angola, in Mozambique and in South Africa in subhuman bondage have been toppled and destroyed; Until bigotry and prejudice and malicious and inhuman self-interest have been replaced by understanding and tolerance and good-will; Until all Africans stand and speak as free beings, equal in the eyes of all men, as they are in the eyes of Heaven; Until that day, the African continent will not know peace. We Africans will fight, if necessary, and we know that we shall win, as we are confident in the victory of good over evil.- Haile Selassie I

These are the words
Of my master, telling me
No weak heart shall prosper
And whosoever diggeth a pit
Shall fall in it.

[decode reality]

“I don't stand for the black man's side, I don' t stand for the white man's side. I stand for God's side.” - Robert Nesta Marley

I saw Bob Marley, live in concert at the Glasgow Apollo and again at Crystal Palace in 1980 on the Uprising Tour, just before he died, where he opened his set with; "sun is shining, the weather is sweet" and it was... He cast a mystical, tranquil spell over his many adoring fans that day. Bob Marley's unique brand of reggae music, worshiping Ras Tafari, Emperor of Ethiopia, as the living King of Kings and Conquering Lion of the Tribe of Judah, resounded throughout the known world and struck a cord within oppressed peoples from the Bronx to Botswana and the jungles of Borneo. At the bottom of the Grand Canyon in Arizona, Havasupai Indians revere Bob and sing his songs.

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God, but the warmongers are most threatened by the people's heroes and as a result, they often meet a premature and mysterious end, like Jimi Hendrix, Bruce Lee and John Lennon. Bob Marley was no exception. When Bob fell ill in 1980, after his last performance at Madison Square Garden, he was diagnosed as suffering from exhaustion, but within a year, he was dead at the age of thirty-six, riddled with cancer in his lungs, stomach and brain.

Lew Lee, a documentary filmmaker said; "People came by his house. There were always people going in and out. Someone gave Bob a pair of boots. He put his foot in and said "Ow!" A friend got in there - you know how Jamaicans are. He said, "let's get in here" - in the boot, and he pulled a piece of copper wire out. It was embedded in the boot." The assumption is it was radioactive because Marley later broke his toe playing soccer in London and when the bone wouldn't mend, the doctors found that the toe had cancer.

The cancer metastasised throughout his entire body, but Bob believed he could fight this thing. He wanted to do anything but to turn to Western medicine, however he rapidly deteriorated and had a slight stroke. At the Sloan-Kettering Cancer Institute, the chemotherapy itself seemed to be killing him, so, innocently he handed himself over to struggle with the disease for eight months at the 'alternative' clinic of Dr. Joseph Issels in Bavaria, who was considered a quack by the American Cancer Society.

Lee claims, "Dr. Issels said that he could cure Bob." They cut Bob's dreadlocks off and he was getting all of this crazy, crazy (experimental) medical treatment in Switzerland. Lew Lee knew this because of Ray Von Evans, who played in Marley's group, they were very close friends. As Bob was receiving these medical treatments, Ray would come by every two or three months and told Lee, "Yeah, mon, they're killing Bob. They are KILLING Bob." He said, "What do you mean they are killing Bob?" "No, no, mon," Ray said. "Dis Dr. Issels, he's a Nazi!"

During Bob's stay at Dr. Joseph Issels clinic in Bad Wiesse, he was subjected to blood transfusions, hyperthermia and illegal injections of THX. He was put on a restricted diet until he weighed only five stones and was forbidden from eating ital food brought from Jamaica. His friends who found his weight loss alarming, felt the treatment was "breaking down Bob's physical structure."

But a very 'telling' conversation took place when Dr. Issels told Bob a story about a German friend who had advised Issels not to treat him, saying that Marley was the most dangerous black man on the planet. A strange (Nazi) acquaintance for an eminent doctor? Not really, Joseph Issels was an officer in the SS, a colleague of notorious Joseph Mengele and had served a jail term for manslaughter. Mengele survived the war and enjoyed the protection and employment of the CIA. Bob himself sometimes felt the injections he was given were poison, and in bad moments thought they were trying to kill him.

When Bob was too ill to continue treatment and Issels sent him home to die, he kissed his teeth bitterly and said softly, "Dr. Issels is a madman..." Who the cap fits, let them wear it; but the National Security Act of 1947, the CIA charter, does not grant national security thugs and Nazi doctors a lisence to kill! Robert Nesta Marley, the King of Reggae, had been at the pinnacle of his career and was in danger of inciting peace and unity when he died of cancer in a Miami hospital on Monday May 11, 1981.

This could be the first trumpet
Might as well be the last
Many more will have to suffer
Many more will have to die
Don’t ask me why….

That until the philosophy which holds one race superior and another inferior is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned: That until there are no longer first-class and second class citizens of any nation; That until the colour of a man's skin is of no more significance than the colour of his eyes; That until the basic human rights are equally guaranteed to all without regard to race; That until that day, the dream of lasting peace and world citizenship and the rule of international morality will remain but a fleeting illusion, to be pursued but never attained; And until the ignoble and unhappy regimes that hold our brothers in Angola, in Mozambique and in South Africa in subhuman bondage have been toppled and destroyed; Until bigotry and prejudice and malicious and inhuman self-interest have been replaced by understanding and tolerance and good-will; Until all Africans stand and speak as free beings, equal in the eyes of all men, as they are in the eyes of Heaven; Until that day, the African continent will not know peace. We Africans will fight, if necessary, and we know that we shall win, as we are confident in the victory of good over evil.- Haile Selassie I

These are the words
Of my master, telling me
No weak heart shall prosper
And whosoever diggeth a pit
Shall fall in it.

Thanks for that compelling read, Haze.

There's a book about Bob by Stephen Davis. There's a section taken from Bob's time in Issels' clinic. He's listening to Uprising and singing "weee can make it work" whilst looking straight at Issels. Issels replied [I]"yes, I believe we can".

In 1984, I met a sound engineer who was working with Aswad in 1981. They were on the road at the time of Bob's death. He remembers coming into their dressing room when the news hit and all the band were sat around crying.

[velma]

Thanks for that compelling read, Haze.

There's a book about Bob by Stephen Davis. There's a section taken from Bob's time in Issels' clinic. He's listening to Uprising and singing "weee can make it work" whilst looking straight at Issels. Issels replied [I]"yes, I believe we can".

In 1984, I met a sound engineer who was working with Aswad in 1981. They were on the road at the time of Bob's death. He remembers coming into their dressing room when the news hit and all the band were sat around crying.

I read Davis' book, some of the quotes in my article are from that book.

On the day he passed on to the spiritual motherland, Holy Mount Zion, an enormous peal of thunder indicated that a great soul had departed this Earth and a bolt of lightning rent the darkened skies... The flash lit up my room and illuminated Bob's picture on the wall, his friends Neville Garrick and Judy Mowatt described an identical experience in Jamaica. Bob was dead and I was desolate, but his mission was complete and he had encouraged many to reject the trappings of Babylon.... R.I.P.

[decode reality]

I read Davis' book, some of the quotes in my article are from that book.

On the day he passed on to the spiritual motherland, Holy Mount Zion, an enormous peal of thunder indicated that a great soul had departed this Earth and a bolt of lightning rent the darkened skies... The flash lit up my room and illuminated Bob's picture on the wall, his friends Neville Garrick and Judy Mowatt described an identical experience in Jamaica. Bob was dead and I was desolate, but his mission was complete and he had encouraged many to reject the trappings of Babylon.... R.I.P.

There's an incredible moment during the One Love Peace Concert where he's freestyling, asking the Jamaican prime minister and leader of the opposition to come on stage.....thunder strikes in rhythm him, you probably know it well....I thought it was a sound effect at first, it's real.... at 2:17 :eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gikyFl1i0CM

[conciousnow1983]

Its not just bob who was killed for trying to speak the truth about the goverment & the controls through of the goverment. Michael Jackson-Murdered.Tupac-Murdered,Jimmy Hendics-Murdered,James Brown the list goes on, & on.

Muscians still alive who sing the truth DMX he started to sing the truth,ended up in prison for it, Eminem his new album Recovery, notice Eminem no longer sings of hate & termoil, he now is standing up & trying explain through his words about how evil the worlds goverments are & how he's making a Stand.His new album speaks of love and togetherness, far crie from what he used to sing about don't you think

They are all trying to wake us up through there music, & it is working more and more people are waking up to the fact we humans live in a cage that is are reality, but not for long. Type in the name of the singers I have stated & type illuminati or NWO right next to there name, you will get a wealth of info.

Peace out peeps stay strong.:D

[synergy777]

i agree, 2pac, bob marley, john lennon were killed because they spoke out against the elite and the agenda.

also eminem's tone has changed, his new album is more upbeat.

true about dmx aswell, he has had alot of stuff thrown at him over the last 10 years.

at the moment my fave is damian marley, he is carrying on his dad's work, bob would be proud of him.

[ironcobra]

the marely sons have definetly carried the torch well love there music i def believe bob is living thru them, damian and nas new album is very political hope it doesnt bring any harm

[decode reality]

The Marley family's work and their alignment with other conscious artists, has helped to keep their father's energy out there. What hampers them I would say is that they're in a time period where reggae isn't the contemporary youth culture.

When Bob died, reggae occupied a similar position to the one that hip hop held in the late 80s and early 90s. In 1981, there were still many great reggae artists who were set to occupy the space left by Marley's passing. But the major record labels pretty much sat upon roots music and as the eighties went on, it was the more party oriented dancehall, lovers rock, more "radio friendly" reggae and pop with a reggae tinge that carried the swing. Roots reggae seems to be marginal yet again.

[orb27]

Reggae music is a grounding Earth music, it's gives off a completely different vib to rock'n roll. Imo it helps clear out the chakras, when you hear it the body wants to move (like in chi kung you get chi flow) - a good example of this is the song Exodus which is all about movement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NHbOqmNVm8


Whatever about his son, Bob Marley was the most awakened main stream artist I've ever come across. The likes of John Lennon might have been more well known (and coming towards the end of his life he appeared to get what was going on) but Bob was on another level. You can tell from his lyrics and what he said in interviews.


I remember reading part of Alex Constantines "The Covert War Against Rock" some time ago. I think he said Bob received a present of a pair of boots from Bill Colbys son (former Director of the CIA). Friends of Marley reckoned there was something suspect about the boots - Bob stubbed his toe when he put them on and later died of cancer which started in that foot, I don't know how true this story is.


Bob Marley in chi flow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgzCL0lP35E

[decode reality]

Reggae music is a grounding Earth music, it's gives off a completely different vib to rock'n roll. Imo it helps clear out the chakras, when you hear it the body wants to move (like in chi kung you get chi flow) - a good example of this is the song Exodus which is all about movement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NHbOqmNVm8


Whatever about his son, Bob Marley was the most awakened main stream artist I've ever come across. The likes of John Lennon might have been more well known (and coming towards the end of his life he appeared to get what was going on) but Bob was on another level. You can tell from his lyrics and what he said in interviews.


I remember reading part of Alex Constantines "The Covert War Against Rock" some time ago. I think he said Bob received a present of a pair of boots from Bill Colbys son (former Director of the CIA). Friends of Marley reckoned there was something suspect about the boots - Bob stubbed his toe when he put them on and later died of cancer which started in that foot, I don't know how true this story is.


Bob Marley in chi flow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgzCL0lP35E

Bob kept the 60s idealism alive in the 1970s, at a time when a lot of other rebellious artists were being absorbed into the establishment (or prematurely dead). Curtis Mayfield I think needs a mention. He was one of Bob's favourites, and his brand of soul always had social conscience. One Love is based on The Impressions 'People Get Ready'.

Marley had the edge on so many other reggae artists. To be honest, I like to listen to old school but I don't follow the music as much now, it's become predictable and cliched musically and lyrically.

[orb27]

Bob kept the 60s idealism alive in the 1970s, at a time when a lot of other rebellious artists were being absorbed into the establishment (or prematurely dead). Curtis Mayfield I think needs a mention. He was one of Bob's favourites, and his brand of soul always had social conscience. One Love is based on The Impressions 'People Get Ready'.

Yes I agree artists like Bob, Phil Ochs and Joan Baez kept the flame for social change alive in the early 70's. However Bob was someone who didn't self destruct - wisdom shone through in his songs, interviews and how he conducted himself. When many in the rasta movement were allowing themselves be consumed by the ganja Bob took a step back, for him it wasn't all about the herb. He was the one truely awakened artist I've seen - the likes of Pink Floyd, Lennon and others spoke about love and changing things but they were talking about this more than coming from the root. Of course Lee Scratch Perry also had a massive influence on Marley (the madman himself). Lee is way out there but not as crazy as some would like to think.

[decode reality]

Yes I agree artists like Bob, Phil Ochs and Joan Baez kept the flame for social change alive in the early 70's. However Bob was someone who didn't self destruct - wisdom shone through in his songs, interviews and how he conducted himself. When many in the rasta movement were allowing themselves be consumed by the ganja Bob took a step back, for him it wasn't all about the herb. He was the one truely awakened artist I've seen - the likes of Pink Floyd, Lennon and others spoke about love and changing things but they were talking about this more than coming from the root. Of course Lee Scratch Perry also had a massive influence on Marley (the madman himself). Lee is way out there but not as crazy as some would like to think.

The first music biographies I ever read were a couple written about Bob, my favourite being one written by Stephen Davis. What impressed me was his fitness and diet regime. He was out running or playing football most days and paid attention to what he ate. It felt like it was part of the music and its vitality, or 'i-tality'. :)

Contrast that with a video I saw about Oasis last week. Noel was talking with his usual bravado about when he was heavily into coke. He spoke of it being "the divine right of rock stars....if kids come backstage, they're gonna be disappointed if you're not slumped in a corner with a bottle of Jack Daniels and a few lines there". Now, I don't want to paint Bob as a monk because he did openly indulge in the lifestyle when it came to women, whilst he was married to Rita. But his music and message definitely felt like it was real and had an edge. And the culture around the music promoted health, not heroin.

Scratch is of course a genius. I love the name, as he says, 'everything starts from Scratch'. Bob's singing is hugely influenced by him and I love the recordings he did with Scratch such as Mr Brown and a lot of early versions of later songs.

[orb27]

The first music biographies I ever read were a couple written about Bob, my favourite being one written by Stephen Davis. What impressed me was his fitness and diet regime. He was out running or playing football most days and paid attention to what he ate. It felt like it was part of the music and its vitality, or 'i-tality'. :)

Thanks, I'll check that one out.


Contrast that with a video I saw about Oasis last week. Noel was talking with his usual bravado about when he was heavily into coke. He spoke of it being "the divine right of rock stars....if kids come backstage, they're gonna be disappointed if you're not slumped in a corner with a bottle of Jack Daniels and a few lines there". Now, I don't want to paint Bob as a monk because he did openly indulge in the lifestyle when it came to women, whilst he was married to Rita. But his music and message definitely felt like it was real and had an edge. And the culture around the music promoted health, not heroin.

Yeah that's one thing people tend to say if Bob was so "awake" why was he playing the field when he was married? At the end of the day we're on the outside looking in and I suppose it's all to easy for us to judge. All I know is his music had a vibrancy and aliveness that's lacking in most other mainstream artists.

Scratch is of course a genius. I love the name, as he says, 'everything starts from Scratch'. Bob's singing is hugely influenced by him and I love the recordings he did with Scratch such as Mr Brown and a lot of early versions of later songs.

To be honest I don't know much about Scratch, he does appear so off the wall it's hard to know what to make of him, :) - definately a highly talented man though.

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(Without dismissing everything I've written on the thread, I'm revising my views and perspective on this topic. See below for a recent blog I did on the topic)

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Celebrity death theories = 'post-mortem rituals'

There's a whole 'subculture' and industry around celebrity deaths now. Michael Jackson, Kurt Cobain, Bob Marley, Jimi Hendrix, John Lennon, Jim Morrison - the list goes on (sometimes to include the 'Z' list)

In a very real way, people are now 'celebrating' these individual's death and not the exceptional achievements, the hard work they put into developing and sharing their talents with us.
They have become ritualised post mortems.

Let's be perfectly honest. If the official forensic/legal reports on these deaths do not point to foul play, a freelance journalist who writes a book about how Kurt Cobain was taken out, for example, isn't really going to do much to alter that decision. I've yet to see that, anyway, as well-meaning as they may be.

Bringing it closer to 'home', a thousand pages on how the Illuminati killed MJ doesn't accomplish anything. It's just a way for people to wallow and not move on, as far as I'm concerned.

Lay people are now taking on the tasks that really ought to be left to legal teams and forensic experts. It would be more useful, creative (and literally life affirming) to put as much depth of research into the study of the person's contribution to the art. The things they did when they were alive, not their untimely demise. This would be much more productive and inspirational. As an aside, cultures that acknowledge the energy/influence that venerated souls of the deceased have upon the daily affairs of the community (incorrectly called 'ancestor worship') would understand this concept.

Possibly without intending to do so, this is once again how the conspiracy world focuses our attention upon fear. This is how people have turned the illuminati into God, i.e., they have the power over life and death. OK, if you say so. If you were to read enough celebrity conspiracies, I'm sure that at some point you would take on board the message, 'it's best not to be too knowledgeable and high profile, because things happen to you'. And by the law of 'thoughts manifesting into reality', shit happens to you.

We need to reverse this negative thinking into something more empowering and useful.