Mainstream better informed than CT forums

[baron von lotsov]

That is the overwhelming impression I'm getting having flicked through this forum plus a couple of others. So much is bullshit and the bullshit reinforces itself. I use a mainstream news forum at the same time and I will have to say they are streets ahead of you lot. Bar one or two on here and other CT forums the overwhelming majority have been subjected to intense elite brainwashing and infiltration. It was mentioned at Bilderburg a year or two back and now I can see what is going on.

You people have it all upside down. The disinfo has got so bad that if someone points out the truth you all think it is wrong. The actual agenda most of you hardly touch on and even if you do stumble across it you would not understand or even recognise it, since it is so well hidden from you. I have tried but I don't think it worth it. The only threads people ever reply to are on a religious subject. This is an obsession for a lot of you, I think you need help but I have no idea where you will get it from. Often people have to screw up really badly before they realise.

You can often have an intelligent conversation on here.
http://community.channel4.com/6/ubb.x?a=frm&s=162603557&f=503603557

Not everyone is clued up but it's probably 30% where as on here it's more like 10% and on Illusions it would be about 5%. I'm not just saying this, just look down the threads and you will see what I mean. Religion and belief covers the other 90%. On Ch 4 it is a Muslin obsession but over half the threads are on other subjects.

[baron von lotsov]

OK lets compare like for like

Stealing children

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5605

http://community.channel4.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/503603557/m/7050009848




Greenwashing

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5291&highlight=greenwashing

http://community.channel4.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/503603557/m/4540053838/p/1


Climate change

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5624

http://community.channel4.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/503603557/m/9570041058

[barbitone]

You people have it all upside down. The disinfo has got so bad that if someone points out the truth you all think it is wrong. The actual agenda most of you hardly touch on and even if you do stumble across it you would not understand or even recognise it, since it is so well hidden from you. I have tried but I don't think it worth it. The only threads people ever reply to are on a religious subject. This is an obsession for a lot of you, I think you need help but I have no idea where you will get it from. Often people have to screw up really badly before they realise.

Yeah your right Baron, none of us know what we are talking about. Please tell us how it is.:rolleyes:

Are you from the University of Patronization? Seriously dude.....seriously. Your talking about your self. Give yourself a break from your ego. You deserve it.

[klinker]

That is the overwhelming impression I'm getting having flicked through this forum plus a couple of others. So much is bullshit and the bullshit reinforces itself. I use a mainstream news forum at the same time and I will have to say they are streets ahead of you lot. Bar one or two on here and other CT forums the overwhelming majority have been subjected to intense elite brainwashing and infiltration. It was mentioned at Bilderburg a year or two back and now I can see what is going on.

You people have it all upside down. The disinfo has got so bad that if someone points out the truth you all think it is wrong. The actual agenda most of you hardly touch on and even if you do stumble across it you would not understand or even recognise it, since it is so well hidden from you. I have tried but I don't think it worth it. The only threads people ever reply to are on a religious subject. This is an obsession for a lot of you, I think you need help but I have no idea where you will get it from. Often people have to screw up really badly before they realise.

You can often have an intelligent conversation on here.
http://community.channel4.com/6/ubb.x?a=frm&s=162603557&f=503603557

Not everyone is clued up but it's probably 30% where as on here it's more like 10% and on Illusions it would be about 5%. I'm not just saying this, just look down the threads and you will see what I mean. Religion and belief covers the other 90%. On Ch 4 it is a Muslin obsession but over half the threads are on other subjects.

I will follow your links and check them out for myself but for now I would really like to hear from you what you think the 'real' agenda is.

[klinker]

Hi Baron.

I checked out the threads and I enjoyed the read but you cannot compare the two sites like for like in my opinion.

Forums like this one will always be under attack from disrupters. These are the posters that post bullshit to draw people into wasting their energy on pointless arguments. Add the debunkers and you have what makes up a large part of the bullshit on this forum. It doesn't make up all of it because on any forum whether mainstream or not there will always be noisy bumfluffery from the idiots right? Par for the course.

Mainstream forums seem to attract less disrupters like we get here and attract more debunkers. The debunkers fit more easily on the mainstream sites than what they do on here because they come across as simply having a different opinion. Some of them are very good at it but it is difficult for them to hide on some sites due to the sites subject matter. A mainstream news site however is the perfect place for them.

You don't have to take this from me but you can be totally assured that our internet communities are policed by pros whose job it is not just to monitor what is being said but also to contribute to these communities and become trusted members. It is very true that the biggest war being fought is for peoples minds.

Peace.:)

[lightbeing]

That is the overwhelming impression I'm getting having flicked through this forum plus a couple of others. So much is bullshit and the bullshit reinforces itself. I use a mainstream news forum at the same time and I will have to say they are streets ahead of you lot. Bar one or two on here and other CT forums the overwhelming majority have been subjected to intense elite brainwashing and infiltration. It was mentioned at Bilderburg a year or two back and now I can see what is going on.

You people have it all upside down. The disinfo has got so bad that if someone points out the truth you all think it is wrong. The actual agenda most of you hardly touch on and even if you do stumble across it you would not understand or even recognise it, since it is so well hidden from you. I have tried but I don't think it worth it. The only threads people ever reply to are on a religious subject. This is an obsession for a lot of you, I think you need help but I have no idea where you will get it from. Often people have to screw up really badly before they realise.

You can often have an intelligent conversation on here.
http://community.channel4.com/6/ubb.x?a=frm&s=162603557&f=503603557

Not everyone is clued up but it's probably 30% where as on here it's more like 10% and on Illusions it would be about 5%. I'm not just saying this, just look down the threads and you will see what I mean. Religion and belief covers the other 90%. On Ch 4 it is a Muslin obsession but over half the threads are on other subjects.

Blimey Baron, you sure know how to stir things up:(
Your assumption on the people here is wrong though, sounds like your ego is on overload...............:rolleyes:

[Anders Lindman]

I may join mainstream forums later on. I still am a novice when it comes to conspiracy stuff so I need to learn about that first. When I read the newspapers or watch the news on the television nowadays, I have an in many ways an entirely different perspective than some years ago. That's very interesting.

[truthseeker1980]

I can sort of see where the Baron is coming from, but what you have to remember baron, is that alot of people who post on here, have not even really started their awakening and comment on things before researching. But overall its doing good, if you sift through the disinfo like that Earth no longer a planet crap, there is some real discussions on here.

The religion thing i have noticed and if the poster is still concerned about religion then they are not fully awake, as the program still has them.

You could say that this post is one of the disrupting ones too, as it's pointless really.

I think these forums are doing good, where on a Channel 4 forum will you get the members emailing the CAA on a heavy chemtrail day, or even discussing this topic?

What is the real agenda then, why not start a topic on it?

[lottie]

if its not for you baron then thats fine- you are entitled to your opinion! :) but i think this site has some amazing information and like truthseeker says, everyone on here is at a different level/stage of learning so there will be a lot of discussion about things...discussion is great and so is learning...take from it what you will and leave the rest! :) its not for everyone!!

[informationx]

That is the overwhelming impression I'm getting having flicked through this forum plus a couple of others. So much is bullshit and the bullshit reinforces itself. I use a mainstream news forum at the same time and I will have to say they are streets ahead of you lot. Bar one or two on here and other CT forums the overwhelming majority have been subjected to intense elite brainwashing and infiltration. It was mentioned at Bilderburg a year or two back and now I can see what is going on.

You people have it all upside down. The disinfo has got so bad that if someone points out the truth you all think it is wrong. The actual agenda most of you hardly touch on and even if you do stumble across it you would not understand or even recognise it, since it is so well hidden from you. I have tried but I don't think it worth it. The only threads people ever reply to are on a religious subject. This is an obsession for a lot of you, I think you need help but I have no idea where you will get it from. Often people have to screw up really badly before they realise.

You can often have an intelligent conversation on here.
http://community.channel4.com/6/ubb.x?a=frm&s=162603557&f=503603557

Not everyone is clued up but it's probably 30% where as on here it's more like 10% and on Illusions it would be about 5%. I'm not just saying this, just look down the threads and you will see what I mean. Religion and belief covers the other 90%. On Ch 4 it is a Muslin obsession but over half the threads are on other subjects.

Hi Baron,

Ive have just taken a brief look at that forum you mentioned, and it seems to suffer the same problems as any forum does.

In other words knowledge is power, and unless people research for themselves they are doomed to repeat other peoples words like a robot.

I took a brief look at one post about Al Qaeda. And the BALI bombing was mentioned in relation to them, and the premise was that Al Qaeda did it.

These bombings were inspired by the methods of Al Qaeda, and not from direct orders by bin laden.

This illustrates the problem that everything has a convenient holding place in terrorism talk to call it "Al Qaeda". When you take a look at many of these cases they take inspiration from "Al Qaeda", but do not have links to them.

In other words the media deliberately, or just in ignorance continues the myth of this organisation.

Yes a lot of nonsense is spoken on this forum, along with many others. But you have to know you are a fool first, before you can change.

[freespark]

I will follow your links and check them out for myself but for now I would really like to hear from you what you think the 'real' agenda is.

Yeah i'm interested to know this myself.

[limelady]

Originally Posted by jeffangel
I will follow your links and check them out for myself but for now I would really like to hear from you what you think the 'real' agenda is.


Yeah i'm interested to know this myself.


Me too baron :D

[bigus_dickus]

is it strange that conspiracy theories don't seem strange to us anymore?

most of those channel4 frequents are ready to mock you as a CT, 'tinfoil hat' and shit like that, but on here we will really check your info without having to reply if we don't have anything to add.. but most of all we won't instantly dismiss it as another CT and look away.

[father ted]

Yeah, join mainstreeme forums and tell them about shapeshifting reptiles, hollow earth, mind controll, elf bombardment ect. :rolleyes:

[eternal_spirit]

The first forums (only one) before this one I posted on.

I started a thread about Satanism. Alot of the people said I was mad and delusional and that Satanist's don't do weird dark rituals. That's like saying the sun don't shine in another country right?

Anyway one of the mods decided to get personal and call me allsorts of crap. I even susspected him of coming on the forum under different user names.
I think he was a Satanist basically and was trying to do everything he could to supress the information I was putting out. He and his fellow Satanists would come on to my thread up to 5 at once, but I held my ground:D....Although after posting for about 6 weeks I started to gain peoples confidence and they started to do some research and agree with some of what I had posted. So it was worth my time I informed the uninformed planted the seed so they can now do their own research.

If you truly believe in a post, the issue and have the facts it's natural to wan't to get the points across.

[eternal_spirit]

Me too baron :D

Me 3 :eek:

baron maybe you've been on Forums for a long time and have seen most of the issues that are posted. I myself have read lot's of books over about 18 years and trawled the Internet for almost 3 years( almost every day ) researching. Conspiracy Forums well only been doing this 5 months on here, and there isn't much new that I haven't read or come across before.

I'm sure there are people who know interesting nuggets of info, but can't always intellectualise it into words.

[freespark]

The first forums (only one) before this one I posted on.

I started a thread about Satanism. Alot of the people said I was mad and delusional and that Satanist's don't do weird dark rituals. That's like saying the sun don't shine in another country right?

Anyway one of the mods decided to get personal and call me allsorts of crap. I even susspected him of coming on the forum under different user names.
I think he was a Satanist basically and was trying to do everything he could to supress the information I was putting out. He and his fellow Satanists would come on to my thread up to 5 at once, but I held my ground:D....Although after posting for about 6 weeks I started to gain peoples confidence and they started to do some research and agree with some of what I had posted. So it was worth my time I informed the uninformed planted the seed so they can now do their own research.

If you truly believe in a post, the issue and have the facts it's natural to wan't to get the points across.

Well done for sticking with it mate.

Hehe your avatar looks like Pope Rowan Atkinson (Mr Bean!) ok maybe just the eyes!

[baron von lotsov]

Hi Baron.

I checked out the threads and I enjoyed the read but you cannot compare the two sites like for like in my opinion.

Forums like this one will always be under attack from disrupters. These are the posters that post bullshit to draw people into wasting their energy on pointless arguments. Add the debunkers and you have what makes up a large part of the bullshit on this forum. It doesn't make up all of it because on any forum whether mainstream or not there will always be noisy bumfluffery from the idiots right? Par for the course.

Mainstream forums seem to attract less disrupters like we get here and attract more debunkers. The debunkers fit more easily on the mainstream sites than what they do on here because they come across as simply having a different opinion. Some of them are very good at it but it is difficult for them to hide on some sites due to the sites subject matter. A mainstream news site however is the perfect place for them.

You don't have to take this from me but you can be totally assured that our internet communities are policed by pros whose job it is not just to monitor what is being said but also to contribute to these communities and become trusted members. It is very true that the biggest war being fought is for peoples minds.

Peace.:)

Thanks. Some sanity at last.

One of the reasons the infiltrators have such an easy time on here is because people's minds have already been screwed up by the New Age mind control. Whatever anyone says about Ch 4 forum I can categorically say that in five years I have never heard Tsarion or Jordan 'BBC of American con man' Maxwell's names mentioned once. Ickes name is used by the infiltrators with reference to lizards, Alex Jones often gets a positive mention and gets deleted just as quickly but one thing is that Ch 4 attracts people you can reason with and hold a fair and intelligent argument. I can operate under these conditions and people learn. On here I feel I'm banging my head against a brick wall 90% of the time. The Illusions forum and similarly the old Icke forum were far worse. I would have got more sense out of a kiddie's playground. Seriously, even five year olds you can talk to.

[baron von lotsov]

You could say that this post is one of the disrupting ones too, as it's pointless really.




No, the point is to warn people. Also to explain why I come down heavily on certain people that I know are working for the elite where some people might not see it at the time. You know what destroys a good forum, a lasse-fare attitude.

[baron von lotsov]

Hi Baron,

Ive have just taken a brief look at that forum you mentioned, and it seems to suffer the same problems as any forum does.

In other words knowledge is power, and unless people research for themselves they are doomed to repeat other peoples words like a robot.

I took a brief look at one post about Al Qaeda. And the BALI bombing was mentioned in relation to them, and the premise was that Al Qaeda did it.

These bombings were inspired by the methods of Al Qaeda, and not from direct orders by bin laden.

This illustrates the problem that everything has a convenient holding place in terrorism talk to call it "Al Qaeda". When you take a look at many of these cases they take inspiration from "Al Qaeda", but do not have links to them.

In other words the media deliberately, or just in ignorance continues the myth of this organisation.

Yes a lot of nonsense is spoken on this forum, along with many others. But you have to know you are a fool first, before you can change.

Sure there are some who still tow the line on it but it has shifted and even people who were nearly completely pro-system like Chairman Al are figuring bits of it out now and I really enjoy seeing people when the penny drops, and then after they say sensible things.

However it's easy to say the government sponsors terrorism but the difficult bit is proof. People on that forum are far more concerned about proof and when you dig it up for them then that wins them over. This is how it should be. Back at NO2ID the deal is the same, you can say something if 1) it is on topic and 2) you can back it up. A lot of people from the conspiracy world find this unreasonable but actually it makes the campaign stronger. Indeed the quality is so high that it is often read by very high up people who have the power to make changes. Some of you lot need to toughen up in the mental department.

Here, this is a good piece of advice; try doing something really difficult and logical like I do. I'm a programmer and it trains my mind, like going down the gym trains your muscles. You will need a strong mind if you are to take on the NWO. Has anyone been in a court and pleaded not guilty without a solicitor? You know what I mean, you are going to need strength, mental strength. With that you can fuck the system, especially if you are into understanding systems and this brings me back to programming. It has taught me more about how the system operates and how to screw it than any conspiracy book.

[seanx]

The Baron....What a joker!

Bar one or two on here and other CT forums the overwhelming majority have been subjected to intense elite brainwashing and infiltration

This guy is so controlled by the 'christian brainwashing program', the oldest
on the planet - but still the best!! - and yet he accuses others of been brainwashed.

As some English journalist says: 'You couldn't make it up'.

[informationx]

Sure there are some who still tow the line on it but it has shifted and even people who were nearly completely pro-system like Chairman Al are figuring bits of it out now and I really enjoy seeing people when the penny drops, and then after they say sensible things.

However it's easy to say the government sponsors terrorism but the difficult bit is proof. People on that forum are far more concerned about proof and when you dig it up for them then that wins them over. This is how it should be. Back at NO2ID the deal is the same, you can say something if 1) it is on topic and 2) you can back it up. A lot of people from the conspiracy world find this unreasonable but actually it makes the campaign stronger. Indeed the quality is so high that it is often read by very high up people who have the power to make changes. Some of you lot need to toughen up in the mental department.

Here, this is a good piece of advice; try doing something really difficult and logical like I do. I'm a programmer and it trains my mind, like going down the gym trains your muscles. You will need a strong mind if you are to take on the NWO. Has anyone been in a court and pleaded not guilty without a solicitor? You know what I mean, you are going to need strength, mental strength. With that you can fuck the system, especially if you are into understanding systems and this brings me back to programming. It has taught me more about how the system operates and how to screw it than any conspiracy book.


Hi Baron,

Your original premise was - "Mainstream better informed than CT forums "

There are a wide variety of people here, with different levels of understanding. Seeing as how most people get their information from the same sources, its easy to make the same mistakes. It takes a lot of digging to get to the root of the problem.

As in the example I posted, ignorance is no mystery guest of the CH4 forum either.

I dont agree with your assertion that people on the CH4 forum are more interested in proof, than this one. And that CT people find providing proof unreasonable.

Most top CT researchers spend years in archives, librarys, looking through old newspapers etc, etc.

In any posts i make, I always try and back up any claims or information with links. If I do not have the information available I do not fear putting it forward as an idea.

That way it can be assessed, and others can make opinions about it. People on this forum are not afraid to express ideas.

I used to be a computer programmer also, and it is easy to see parralels between the human mind and software functions.

So I agree with you that a strong and flexible well informed mind, backed up with factual information, and coherent structured arguments are the sword to be used in building a case.

But i do not agree, that the people on this forum would not see that as a reasonable position.

And Just Because a thing is difficult does not make it necessarily valid baron. Its difficult to saw your leg off with a pen, but there is not one ounce of profit in it.

[baron von lotsov]

The first forums (only one) before this one I posted on.

I started a thread about Satanism. Alot of the people said I was mad and delusional and that Satanist's don't do weird dark rituals. That's like saying the sun don't shine in another country right?

Anyway one of the mods decided to get personal and call me allsorts of crap. I even susspected him of coming on the forum under different user names.
I think he was a Satanist basically and was trying to do everything he could to supress the information I was putting out. He and his fellow Satanists would come on to my thread up to 5 at once, but I held my ground:D....Although after posting for about 6 weeks I started to gain peoples confidence and they started to do some research and agree with some of what I had posted. So it was worth my time I informed the uninformed planted the seed so they can now do their own research.

If you truly believe in a post, the issue and have the facts it's natural to wan't to get the points across.

Yeh, I have been there many a time. If you are getting some serious flak when just posting accurate and verifiable information on a topic that is normally secret then you know for certain who the infiltrators are. As a double check you can search through their posts and often this settles the issue in your mind. They aint that bright.

[baron von lotsov]

The Baron....What a joker!



This guy is so controlled by the 'christian brainwashing program', the oldest
on the planet - but still the best!! - and yet he accuses others of been brainwashed.

As some English journalist says: 'You couldn't make it up'.

Exhibit one!

[baron von lotsov]

"I used to be a computer programmer also, and it is easy to see parralels between the human mind and software functions."

No I meant the system as in our system of government, social engineering, behaviourism and that sort of thing.

Actually to compare the human mind to a computer is what the system does, it denies the human element and that is what the system is trying to destroy, so we become programmable robots. I meant that if you program a complex system you learn about system engineering theory. Did you do this or were you just doing small programs rather than creating a system in software.



"So I agree with you that a strong and flexible well informed mind, backed up with factual information, and coherent structured arguments are the sword to be used in building a case.

But i do not agree, that the people on this forum would not see that as a reasonable position."



Some do but a lot don't. Often I find that when I do the research and post it then it gets ignored. This happened just the other day when I was researching a woman that runs a witchcraft shop in my town. I posted the info which had glaring clues to certain things but it was ignored, and worse still it was spammed as well.

[informationx]

No I meant the system as in our system of government, social engineering, behaviourism and that sort of thing.

Actually to compare the human mind to a computer is what the system does, it denies the human element and that is what the system is trying to destroy, so we become programmable robots. I meant that if you program a complex system you learn about system engineering theory. Did you do this or were you just doing small programs rather than creating a system in software

It was hard to determine that from "I'm a programmer and it trains my mind"

My programming was done many years ago for a company on a system called a Burroughs B900 - burroughs eventually became UNISYS. We used a language called ARCS utility language - which had most elements of basic, and scripting functions. Years before that I taught myself on an old ZX81, which in my opinion had one of the best programming manuals ever made. I also did COBOL which was and is one of the most boring languages ever know to man.

Ive dabbled with object oriented languages, but I think I'm far to old school to get interested in them.

I have never formally studied system engineering theory, but my own theory is that software is the "mind", this includes the conscious and the sub-conscious.

The core operating system if you like, or the ROM, or the firmware is the real self, soul, spirit, higher being - whatever you want to call it.

The mind or software is an abstraction of the real system which is the higher self. I see the analogy's between subroutines in software to the conscious, and sub-conscious mind. The sub especially as it performs its house keeping duty's in the background, yet is essential to the overall function of the mind.

The conscious mind is the immediate operating memory, which the data from gets passed to its necessary parts of the system.

in the book called "The holographic universe" by michael talbot which is a great read. He talks about people with multiple personality disorders. Some can have hundreds apparently.

The interesting thing is that each personality can have a different IQ, a different illness, different physical abilities, and one case had diabetes in one personality, but not the other.

In my opinion this shows that the mind is an information system, which passes it on the the body. The body will just model whatever the information system is. So therefore it would follow that if one information system had a pattern for high IQ, and the other didn't - the body and brain would just model what the information system contained.

Social conditioning for me is more down to psychology of society. The way to challenge that is to think for yourself, read all you can - find the roots of everything. If you can see the roots, you can understand all the branches from it.

Cheers!

[seanx]

Exhibit one!

Hilarious.

But seriously, have you ever considered deprogramming?

[john white]

Baron's run away from telling us what the real agenda is: again

(whilst informing us we are "less informed" than the channel 4 forum)

Of course, it will never happen:

Becuase Baron doesnt know what the real agenda is, but is too terrified to admit it to himself, and therefore cannot ever risk any attempt to express this

In the same way he will never define his own belief system as anything else than being negative about any others he assumes he understands

Forum life as usual then ;)

[baron von lotsov]

in the book called "The holographic universe" by michael talbot which is a great read. He talks about people with multiple personality disorders. Some can have hundreds apparently.

The way to challenge that is to think for yourself, read all you can
Cheers!

What you quote here is part of the New Age brainwashing programme.

Essentially the holographic bollox is totally bogus. This is why it is published by Harper & Collins.

[baron von lotsov]

Baron's run away from telling us what the real agenda is: again

(whilst informing us we are "less informed" than the channel 4 forum)

Of course, it will never happen:

Becuase Baron doesnt know what the real agenda is, but is too terrified to admit it to himself, and therefore cannot ever risk any attempt to express this

In the same way he will never define his own belief system as anything else than being negative about any others he assumes he understands

Forum life as usual then ;)


Exhibit two

[john white]

Exhibit two

Exhibit three

[eternal_spirit]

LOL damn I hate being number 4 :(

[cheeb]

I would, imagine Baron to be a pretty good poker player,

Although he plays by his own rules,

And probably keeps an ace up his sleeve,

A question for Dead Eye Lotsov?
What is the best source of news/ current affairs?
This site used to be good(,main headlines,)
but maybe too slow,
Channel 4 is good, but you only really get it between 7pm-8pm
Newsnight is excellent,
especially Paxman,

Personally I Like Jeremy Vine on Radio 2,

Seriously Baron what do you reckon is the best source of
Journalistic news,
be it ,tv, radio,newspapers,internet or even garden fence gossip.

BTW "you couldn't make it up"
is a catchphrase of Richard Littlejohn,

Hack,formerly of the Sun,
Now The Daily Mail

We're going to hell in a handcart.

POE

pTTp

no exhibit 3 please!

[barbitone]

All you seem to be saying Baron, is that it is harder to convince people of your view on a topic in a mainstream forum than it is in this one. Your just exposing your ego guided mind to us posting this "exhibit one..." crap. Your intentions seem to be making yourself top dog of info. "Look at how strong my mind is from conditioning ", "you guys don't have this, that's what's wrong with you" - pathetic.

Everything you don't agree with is "New Age brainwashing". Jeez. Maybe the reason some people don't bother reply to your words is because your a twat. It may very well be the case. I know I don't feel like bothering with you. You've got your mind made up already. You "know" how it all is and just want to tell everyone else and have them agree. This isn't how it works Baron. Grow up. Open your heart and give your ego a rest.

[informationx]

What you quote here is part of the New Age brainwashing programme.

Essentially the holographic bollox is totally bogus. This is why it is published by Harper & Collins.

Certainly David Bohm (Quantum physicist)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bohm#The_holonomic_model_of_the_brain

and karl pribram (Professor of Psychology, neurosurgeon)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_H._Pribram

Dont think its bogus or brainwashing. They worked together on the holonomic brain theory.

Are their theories also part of the new age brain washing agenda, I would say with 100% confidence they are not.

This is nothing to do with the new age. The views of these men are gaining acceptance, but to say they were mainstream, and therefore useful in a brain washing program is way off the mark.

I think these men have uncovered something fundamental about the universe. It will take time for others to catch up.

[baron von lotsov]

Certainly David Bohm (Quantum physicist)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bohm#The_holonomic_model_of_the_brain

and karl pribram (Professor of Psychology, neurosurgeon)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_H._Pribram

Dont think its bogus or brainwashing. They worked together on the holonomic brain theory.

Are their theories also part of the new age brain washing agenda, I would say with 100% confidence they are not.

This is nothing to do with the new age. The views of these men are gaining acceptance, but to say they were mainstream, and therefore useful in a brain washing program is way off the mark.

I think these men have uncovered something fundamental about the universe. It will take time for others to catch up.

You were telling me earlier you knew most of what there is to know.

Did you know David Bohm worked on the Manhattan Project and went mad towards the end of his life and was looked after by some government white coats? No I don't suppose you considered this.

[baron von lotsov]

bollox bollox bollox...

What is the best source of news/ current affairs?

bollox bollox bollox...



I use this site.

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/

[cheeb]

I use this site.

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/
British please,
I don't trust our colonial cousins,
on news,
they are very good on mono issues
propoganda thou'

poe

[baron von lotsov]

British please,
I don't trust our colonial cousins,
on news,
they are very good on mono issues
propoganda thou'

poe

It is British. Paul Joseph Watson is from Sheffield. It's part of the Alex Jones group but who else has really done anything to expose them?

Stay clear of New Age crap and you will be OK.

[cheeb]

Baron,
Why dont you side with the enemy'
Get a slot on the radio,
Sticky it here,
6,ooo viewers
What a programme that would be,
if you did phone ins, and musical requests,
Why with your outlook on things
you could become the British Alex Jones,
just a thought!

POE

[informationx]

You were telling me earlier you knew most of what there is to know.

Thats news to me? where did i say that? Show me the post? provide the evidence.

Did you know David Bohm worked on the Manhattan Project and went mad towards the end of his life and was looked after by some government white coats? No I don't suppose you considered this

I did know Bohm worked indirectly on the project. Even if what you say about the end of his life is true (references please), it does not affect his earlier work. Even if i did or did not consider it.

[baron von lotsov]

Baron,
Why dont you side with the enemy'
Get a slot on the radio,
Sticky it here,
6,ooo viewers
What a programme that would be,
if you did phone ins, and musical requests,
Why with your outlook on things
you could become the British Alex Jones,
just a thought!

POE

I'm not connected to Glastonbury Radio if that's what you think.

[baron von lotsov]

Thats news to me? where did i say that? Show me the post? provide the evidence.

I might have confused you with another poster there.

I did know Bohm worked indirectly on the project. Even if what you say about the end of his life is true (references please), it does not affect his earlier work. Even if i did or did not consider it.


I got that from Wikipedia a while back.

Anyway if you knew the agenda you would understand perfectly why this is being pushed, but like so many on here you only scratch the surface at best and make a lot of mistakes by reading too many dodgy books.

You want to know how I figured it out. I was one like you once, read a lot of books and found they confused me more than before I had read them. So I took a long time and I figured it all out from first principles. Certainly some information was invaluable but I never read a single book on the New Age and only one book to do with conspiracy in my life and that was a few months back.

So you need to go back to basics and decide what you know for certain, like the sun rises every day and things like that and anything you don't know from firsthand experience you need to grill it with the utmost scrupulousness. Books like the one you quoted are counterproductive. Bin the entire lot and use the power of reason.

[informationx]

I got that from Wikipedia a while back.

Anyway if you knew the agenda you would understand perfectly why this is being pushed, but like so many on here you only scratch the surface at best and make a lot of mistakes by reading too many dodgy books.

You want to know how I figured it out. I was one like you once, read a lot of books and found they confused me more than before I had read them. So I took a long time and I figured it all out from first principles. Certainly some information was invaluable but I never read a single book on the New Age and only one book to do with conspiracy in my life and that was a few months back.

So you need to go back to basics and decide what you know for certain, like the sun rises every day and things like that and anything you don't know from firsthand experience you need to grill it with the utmost scrupulousness. Books like the one you quoted are counterproductive. Bin the entire lot and use the power of reason.

Well the wikipedia entry you read (show me it) is wrong.

According to F.David Peat One of Bohms close friends and colleagues, who wrote Bohms biography called

Infinite Potential: The Life and Times of David Bohm

David Bohm died in the following way

David Bohm died in a taxi as he was being driven home from work. He had just been putting the finishing touches to a book on quantum physics, co-authored with his collaborator Basil Hiley. This book --The Undivided Universe (1993) -- marks the culmination of Bohm's life-long effort to develop an alternative interpretation of quantum physics, one which rejects the role of chance, and instead posits the existence of subtler forces acting from hidden, implicate levels of reality, in order to explain the sometimes puzzling behavior of the subatomic world

http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/science/sc-pruyn.htm#n1

Not the actions of a man who according to you and your suspicious wikipedia entry went mad towards the end of his life and was looked after by some government white coats.

So come on show me the wikipedia entry you got it from!

[informationx]

Baron,

I think I have worked out where you are coming from.

1) The illuminati or similar has infiltrated so called new age materials, books, media etc. Many are put into university, and therefore have a social authority and are readily believed

2) They are facilitating the use of this media by disseminating knowledge which can eventually be used by them to control those who absorb it

3) This knowledge may be factual/or mixed but ultimately psychological hooks are being created that will be useful for those who want to control

4) Therefore the only way to truly understand the world around us today, is to find out for yourself, in the absence of any polluting material which could take a foot hold in your mind

Am I close?

[seanx]

The Baron wrote

So you need to go back to basics and decide what you know for certain, like the sun rises every day and things like that and anything you don't know from firsthand experience you need to grill it with the utmost scrupulousness

But the sun doesn't rise every day.

The sun doesn't do anything.

It only 'suns....'.

It only 'appears' to rise because of our limited perspective.

That's why most of the things we assume to be true because we have always been told so...are not necessarily true.

[baron von lotsov]

Baron,

I think I have worked out where you are coming from.

1) The illuminati or similar has infiltrated so called new age materials, books, media etc. Many are put into university, and therefore have a social authority and are readily believed

2) They are facilitating the use of this media by disseminating knowledge which can eventually be used by them to control those who absorb it

3) This knowledge may be factual/or mixed but ultimately psychological hooks are being created that will be useful for those who want to control

4) Therefore the only way to truly understand the world around us today, is to find out for yourself, in the absence of any polluting material which could take a foot hold in your mind

Am I close?


You are pretty much spot on there. Indeed the shit goes back hundreds of years. Philosophy is almost 100% tainted by them, even going back to people like Emanuel Kant, Jean-Jacques Rousseau. The arts e.g. William Morris & John Ruskin. And so on and so on. Naturally the university Illuminati pick their own people to fill their curriculum and students that bite the hook get top marks. I read this shit at one time, I almost believed it but found I had difficulty making sense of it but now I know it was a deliberate attack on the rational mind.

[baron von lotsov]

The Baron wrote



But the sun doesn't rise every day.

The sun doesn't do anything.

It only 'suns....'.

It only 'appears' to rise because of our limited perspective.

That's why most of the things we assume to be true because we have always been told so...are not necessarily true.

Here is an extreme example of someone who thinks all reality is an illusion/hologram.

[seanx]

Reality is only as real as you make it.

You can enjoy it as it now - or you can change it in an instant,
if you want.

Or you can spend your life reading the dead material and
thoughts of the Emanuel Kant, Jean-Jacques Rousseau,William
Morris etc.

You can't access the true nature of reality through the intellect
alone.

That can only give you a limited, cold, lifeless, rational perpective
on life.

Use all your faculties, your INTUITION and ..especially your ability
to fucking FEEL or sense the true nature of the energy of reality
that is behind all it's infinite manifestations.

And you'll get a totally different picture of reality.

And reality is more like a hologram....than you can ever imagine.

[baron von lotsov]

Reality is only as real as you make it.

You can enjoy it as it now - or you can change it in an instant,
if you want.

Or you can spend your life reading the dead material and
thoughts of the Emanuel Kant, Jean-Jacques Rousseau,William
Morris etc.

You can't access the true nature of reality through the intellect
alone.

That can only give you a limited, cold, lifeless, rational perpective
on life.

Use all your faculties, your INTUITION and ..especially your ability
to fucking FEEL or sense the true nature of the energy of reality
that is behind all it's infinite manifestations.

And you'll get a totally different picture of reality.

And reality is more like a hologram....than you can ever imagine.

Do people pay you for this tripe?

[seanx]

It's spooky.

Imagine - on a Dave icke forum - to have people who might
believe reality might be more than what we have been told.


That really is spooky.

WEIRD!!

It must be great to be a closed-minded christian like the old baron-
to have all you thinking done for you. All you have to do is obey.

Memo to david icke;

Ok, Dave. You had your fun. And lots of time to entertain us with
your weird ideas about reality.

But..enoughs enough now....be a good boy now ...and come back
to your religion.

You know that we know best. We have all answers. And it's simple.
We tell. You listen.

I have been on your forum trying to help those sad idiots see how
weird your ideas are...but it's no use....they are way too stupid....
so stop this nonsense now.

Your sincerely
The Baron
.

[supertzar]

I remember talking about Terrence Mckenna on the old forum and this guy named Baron Von Lotsov started talking about Terrence being an agent who promoted neuro-linguistic programming. That didn't sound right to me so I requested evidence. Of course he was mistaking Terrence for Paul Mckenna, someone I had never heard of. When this was pointed out he insisted that it didn't matter because Terrence is part of "it" too. Uninformed and too prideful to admit it.

[cheeb]

Well Baron,
The BBC has been dumbed down beyond recognition.

Question Time
Flagship political debate
Now guests speakers, Davina Macall and 10 year old kids
Next week , The Krankies and David Milliband.

Propaganda Matrix
I doubt if there is a journalist on there!
If so, it's agenda reporting,
or internet trawling for other peoples news items!

At least Richard and Judy,
were grass roots journalists.
(T.V. lackeys for sure, but with a little bit of integrety)
Who did their ground work on local "rags"
Reporting cats up trees, and petty greivances

Give me Paxman
Over all these jokers.

POE
PttP

[baron von lotsov]

I remember talking about Terrence Mckenna on the old forum and this guy named Baron Von Lotsov started talking about Terrence being an agent who promoted neuro-linguistic programming. That didn't sound right to me so I requested evidence. Of course he was mistaking Terrence for Paul Mckenna, someone I had never heard of. When this was pointed out he insisted that it didn't matter because Terrence is part of "it" too. Uninformed and too prideful to admit it.



Yes, that was a genuine mistake because I was rushing at the time and had work to be getting on with. So what?

It's amazing how you people are so petty to bring such a small issue up. Is this all you have against me?

[baron von lotsov]

Well Baron,
The BBC has been dumbed down beyond recognition.

Question Time
Flagship political debate
Now guests speakers, Davina Macall and 10 year old kids
Next week , The Krankies and David Milliband.

Propaganda Matrix
I doubt if there is a journalist on there!
If so, it's agenda reporting,
or internet trawling for other peoples news items!

At least Richard and Judy,
were grass roots journalists.
(T.V. lackeys for sure, but with a little bit of integrety)
Who did their ground work on local "rags"
Reporting cats up trees, and petty greivances

Give me Paxman
Over all these jokers.

POE
PttP

The BBC is the British establishment proper. If you want the agenda from the Illuminati you will always get it 100% spot on, bar a wayward journalist or two. The headlines might as well be written by MI5/6, so it is useful for that.

Propaganda Matrix is excellent because Paul Joseph Watson is excellent and especially so considering his age. He is one smart kid and very rarely makes a mistake. It is something you can rely on.

Richard and Judy

Well I always considered them tossers until one day when they had the Princess Dianna issue with Shayler. They then had a poll and 97% of respondents agreed it was murder. For all the crap they have aired I'd say that one programme more than redeems them.

As for Paxman, he is in a secret society that is often known as the junior Bildrburgers due to the fact many end up at Bilderburg via having been members.

[stikmata]

Originally Posted by seanx View Post
The Baron wrote



But the sun doesn't rise every day. (bolding by Lotsov)

The sun doesn't do anything.

It only 'suns....'.

It only 'appears' to rise because of our limited perspective.

That's why most of the things we assume to be true because we have always been told so...are not necessarily true.

Here is an extreme example of someone who thinks all reality is an illusion/hologram.

Exhibit A

:p




i wonder if the Barron is capable of seeing (and admitting) how wrong he is on this one.

.... and this guy talks about how strong his mind is?!?! :rolleyes:

[baron von lotsov]

Quote

Enlightenment
The moment of self-awareness when an individual fully "recognizes" personal identification with the universe; that he/she is indeed fully divine. Also known as self-realization or actualization, this experience of personal infinity often follows a process of indoctrination, mind-altering drugs and/ or psychic techniques that are designed to dismantle the rationale and foster a working dependence on intuition. LSD probably did more for the spread of this phenomenon in the 60s than all of the gurus put together, but not without their influence.

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NewAge/new_age_beliefs.htm



This hits the nail on the head regarding the occultist's modus operandi. This is why we have this illusion/hologram shit.

Obviously I know about planetary orbits but my point was that there is never a day when the sun does not come up. It is a well-known analogy to something that is 100% known and predictable.

I don't spell everything out in detail because I assume I'm speaking to people with a reasonable amount of knowledge and intelligence. I don't expect people to be so pathetically pedantic, not unless I'm dealing with some official bureaucracy.

[barbitone]

Hahaha! your not really Christian are you Baron? Is this true??? If so, what the hell I'm I bothering with you for. No wonder. Geez...... Maybe you were conceived with weak sperm or something...maybe your dad was jackin off and your mom sat on it at the last second.......

I could tell you where you are wrong but I would get finger spasms after typing for that long.

If you do not go within you go without my friend.

Take 5 dried grammes and meet us on the next level.........

[informationx]

I quite like Barons theory. I must say like any other it needs validating or refuting. But it would be a very clever control system.

If nothing else Baron has given me another new angle to look at things. I think that could be valuable.

Thank you Baron.

[seanx]

Enlightenment
The moment of self-awareness when an individual fully "recognizes" personal identification with the universe; that he/she is indeed fully divine. Also known as self-realization or actualization, this experience of personal infinity often follows a process of indoctrination, mind-altering drugs and/ or psychic techniques that are designed to dismantle the rationale and foster a working dependence on intuition. LSD probably did more for the spread of this phenomenon in the 60s than all of the gurus put together, but not without their influence.

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/New...ge_beliefs.htm

What a definition. ( Ever 'question' who created that definition,
my friend?

It really is amazing how easy the illuminati can 'control' people.

It's like the millions of people who have near-death experiences.

Their experience ( and the IMPLICATIONS of what they have
experienced is totally ignored and they are branded as 'slightly mad'
or just deluded.

The real reason of course is that people with the mentality of the
Baron are scared shitless.

Their very CORE beliefs, about life and organized religion
are collasping all around them.

So evidence from millions of people is dismissed as just
halluncinations, intuition or 'gut feeling' is totally
ignored or it's evidence dismissed - as the product of a mind-controlled
or drug altered mind.



it's great how easy life is to people like the great old baron.

Anything they disagree with or that challenges their
worldview can simply be dismissed instantly as halluncinations or
the product of a deluded mind.

End of story. Job done. What's for me dinner?

Life's great!

But behind it all, I think is a terrible fear....their objective, frozen
5-sense reality created from the fear-ridden matrix of
organized religion is slowly falling apart.

And they are staring into a void.

The problem is, Baron - you can't hold back the tide of the new
ideas.

[auron]

Take 5 dried grammes and meet us on the next level.........

:D

[barbitone]

Hahaha! your not really Christian are you Baron? Is this true??? If so, what the hell I'm I bothering with you for. No wonder. Geez...... Maybe you were conceived with weak sperm or something...maybe your dad was jackin off and your mom sat on it at the last second.......

I could tell you where you are wrong but I would get finger spasms after typing for that long.

If you do not go within you go without my friend.

Take 5 dried grammes and meet us on the next level.........


Sorry about this people.....bad day and too much Bill Hicks. If there is such a thing.....hehehe.
I still love you Baron.:D

[eternal_spirit]

The mainstream media do report some honest stuff at times, but mostly it would seem to be propaganda of some sort.

Icke on channel 5 that's a rare treat lol and John sweeney on BBC with his exposure on Scientology.

If you are aware of hidden agendas with researching the likes of Icke etc, you have to be able to read between the lines when watching, listening, and reading the mainstream media. So it does serve it's purpose.

If you want more alternative and other angles on storys you won't find them in the mainstream.

[dondaz]

4) Therefore the only way to truly understand the world around us today, is to find out for yourself, in the absence of any polluting material which could take a foot hold in your mind

Very rich baron.

You like to hit on the newbies with your wild ideas (Tsarion/Maxwell being illuminati shills in your opinion). Saying people on here don't know the subjects they talk about or have got it all wrong.

Your defeatest attitude in many of your posts speak volumes. You know who you remind me of baron?

The Psyop Master, Fintan Dunne - http://www.breakfornews.com/

Join his forum, it would suit you.

[informationx]

Very rich baron.

You like to hit on the newbies with your wild ideas (Tsarion/Maxwell being illuminati shills in your opinion). Saying people on here don't know the subjects they talk about or have got it all wrong.

Your defeatest attitude in many of your posts speak volumes. You know who you remind me of baron?

The Psyop Master, Fintan Dunne - http://www.breakfornews.com/

Join his forum, it would suit you.

That number 4 was written by me Dondaz, I was attempting to see where Baron was coming from and how he had built his opinions. According to Baron I'm pretty much correct in my assumptions about his theory.

I dont agree with everything that Baron says, but I can see how his theory has come about. I can see how elements of it could be true.

The new media (if i can call it that) would be a perfect place to spread disinformation. As many people see it as being told the truth about the world, and forget they need to check it out for themselves.

Whos the newbie? Im new to this forum, but not new to forums and debates

Cheers!:D

[supertzar]

Yes, that was a genuine mistake because I was rushing at the time and had work to be getting on with. So what?

It's amazing how you people are so petty to bring such a small issue up. Is this all you have against me?

No, this story is emblematic of how ossified and incorrect your thinking is. You couldn't admit it was a mistake at the time. You are so focused on everyone else being wrong that you cannot see how you are wrong.

It's ironic that you go on about only believing what you see with your own eyes. You don't seem to have caught on that your own eyes can deceive you!

[eternal_spirit]

I have to remind myself what the issue is on some threads with all the name calling. Can we stick with the subject.

If we want to get closer to the truth all views can be usefull at times. It doesn't matter what the source is true info is what we wan't most of all.

[seanx]

informationx wrote:
That number 4 was written by me Dondaz, I was attempting to see where Baron was coming from and how he had built his opinions. According to Baron I'm pretty much correct in my assumptions about his theory.

I dont agree with everything that Baron says, but I can see how his theory has come about. I can see how elements of it could be true.

The new media (if i can call it that) would be a perfect place to spread disinformation. As many people see it as being told the truth about the world, and forget they need to check it out for themselves.


I can see your point - but you need to be 'aware', that's all,
of people like the Baron and the real reason they are on this
forum.


Most people are on here to debate and find out more
about the ideas that Davis icke has written about on his books.


The baron is here for another agenda.


Like most of theChristian bible belt, he doesn't mind once the
information and debate is confined to the basics - the abc of
conspiracy theory.


That's great.

However, unlike Icke - watch the Baron and his fellows, once
you start to debate or attack the real 'foundation' and
'heart' of the conspiracy - namely all the different
organized religions - and the Elite who created these mind-controlled
systems.

Watch them then!

A new beast will emerge.

The Baron gave the game away last night.

He said he was 'on duty', once giving out leaflets
protesting against another alternative
thinker with views similar to Icke, William Bloom.

When the Baron gets home..and turns on his computer...and clicks
on to the david icke forum.....is he still on duty.......???

Doing his bit for his 'organization'.

Protecting us from all the views of all these, dangerous
alternative thinkers!

When you think about it , it is pitiful...but at least it's good to be
aware of it...

[baron von lotsov]

I quite like Barons theory. I must say like any other it needs validating or refuting. But it would be a very clever control system.

If nothing else Baron has given me another new angle to look at things. I think that could be valuable.

Thank you Baron.

You're welcome.

It's not often I get people saying that. I accept a lot of what I say flies directly in the face of system brainwashing and the normal response is a kind of childish regression, a sure sign of brainwashing incidentally.

Yes, the key to understanding the NWO is in the social engineering aspect to it coupled with a lot of what the elite had in mind with Communism. You know the Bolsheviks were set up and controlled by Jewish banker elite in the City of London; well the NWO is their Mk 2. It bears much resemblance to the Mk 1 but since the science of social engineering has moved on so far during this time it will appear to a lot of people to be a good thing, precisely as they intend. They don't have the manpower to police everyone so they get the society to be self-policing. This is what the no smoking ban is all about, self-policing.

Anyway a very good tip is to remove yourself from all system brainwashing. Adverts are especially dodgy but all the rest of it is as well. I kicked my TV out and live out in the country where it is quiet and it gives me the time to think. I feel I have changed much as a result of cutting off nearly all of this media crap. It's peace of mind and one thing I find now is that after a year or so of doing this I don't get all of those desires to buy the latest this or that or worry about the million of inconsequential bits of crap they bang on about. I see it all from a psychological perspective. The penny has well and truly dropped but you need to get away from the noise for long enough to figure out what is going on. Most people never get to this point, except maybe when they retire. Even so they still get brainwashed every time they walk into a supermarket.

If only people would understand this then the elites plans would be completely screwed overnight. I think we might even get to this point because I was reading today about the latest on global warming. The consensus according to the latest poll is that people know they are being scammed using fear-mongering psychology. Once people understand this they will be able to pick their enemy off like flies. As it is they are 99% hidden at this moment.

[baron von lotsov]

The mainstream media do report some honest stuff at times, but mostly it would seem to be propaganda of some sort.

Icke on channel 5 that's a rare treat lol and John sweeney on BBC with his exposure on Scientology.

If you are aware of hidden agendas with researching the likes of Icke etc, you have to be able to read between the lines when watching, listening, and reading the mainstream media. So it does serve it's purpose.

If you want more alternative and other angles on storys you won't find them in the mainstream.

Yes it is propaganda. I think there is a bit of confusion on this thread. The title was supposed to be 'mainstream forums are better informed than CT ones', but it didn't all fit in so I had to abbreviate it. I meant mainstream people not the mainstream media.

Even so the media in places has had to follow this trend, so it's not completely wrong. You should have read the comments to a Sun article about ID cards. You think Sun readers are dumbed down but I almost fell out of my chair in surprise. No they are not, they are a lot smarter than the media assumes they are a lot of the time.

[baron von lotsov]

No, this story is emblematic of how ossified and incorrect your thinking is. You couldn't admit it was a mistake at the time. You are so focused on everyone else being wrong that you cannot see how you are wrong.

It's ironic that you go on about only believing what you see with your own eyes. You don't seem to have caught on that your own eyes can deceive you!


No, I corrected it as soon as I discovered it. Actually I think you are working for the other side. You don't like what I say to expose your type of people. Well tough because that is what I do.

[ryans53]

Good posts InformationX. I think it is always wise to calmly assess what someone is saying before reacting--especially when what is said is combative. After following controversial subjects for a good amount of time, I have grown especially tired of promising discussions dissolving into empty assaults of character.

Instead of telling someone that what they have just said is "wrong" or even "disinformation" I suggest we take the more level-headed approach and simply state why we disagree with them. Reading InformationX's characterization of Baron's reasoning is far more useful to me in my own research than reading about what people think of Baron personally. He could be anybody with any agenda under the sun, but the only relevance to me of what he has to say is the substance of his claims.

As it turns out, there is merit to what he has to say in some respects. While I may disagree with his approach or style in delivering his messages, nevertheless when I dissect them I find concepts that are valid. For example, comparing the quality of forum discussions between, not only "alternative" news sites themselves, but also "alternative" and "mainstream" sites, is something worth thinking about. Dismissing the general audience because they monitor mainstream sources is not sound methodology.

I think there is a lot of potential for internet forums to expand thought, but for that to reliably happen we need to perceive the process of 'debate' more like an art form than a competition.

[informationx]

Good posts InformationX. I think it is always wise to calmly assess what someone is saying before reacting--especially when what is said is combative. After following controversial subjects for a good amount of time, I have grown especially tired of promising discussions dissolving into empty assaults of character.

Instead of telling someone that what they have just said is "wrong" or even "disinformation" I suggest we take the more level-headed approach and simply state why we disagree with them. Reading InformationX's characterization of Baron's reasoning is far more useful to me in my own research than reading about what people think of Baron personally. He could be anybody with any agenda under the sun, but the only relevance to me of what he has to say is the substance of his claims.

As it turns out, there is merit to what he has to say in some respects. While I may disagree with his approach or style in delivering his messages, nevertheless when I dissect them I find concepts that are valid. For example, comparing the quality of forum discussions between, not only "alternative" news sites themselves, but also "alternative" and "mainstream" sites, is something worth thinking about. Dismissing the general audience because they monitor mainstream sources is not sound methodology.

I think there is a lot of potential for internet forums to expand thought, but for that to reliably happen we need to perceive the process of 'debate' more like an art form than a competition.


Well said old bean! :D :cool: