Why no talk of the military/industrial complex?

[kingmonkey]

Or is that too boring?

[Anders Lindman]

It's too big. :D What I have heard from researchers and read about, the military industrial complex is almost like a separate government. :eek:

[kappy0405]

well there's plenty of talk about halliburton, carlysle group, RAND corp, etc.. which all tie into it pretty heavily. I agree though.. I'd love to see guys like Icke delve a little deeper into the details of this aspect of it all..

[kingmonkey]

well there's plenty of talk about halliburton, carlysle group, RAND corp, etc.. which all tie into it pretty heavily. I agree though.. I'd love to see guys like Icke delve a little deeper into the details of this aspect of it all..

Halliburton et al. aren't in the same league...

[impermanence]

Most major corporations worth their salt have contracts with the Pentagon, we're talking about thousands of corporations here, thousands of super powerful corporations. They do everything from print paper to building walkie talkies, the Pentagon is the best deal on planet Earth, if you where a CEO of Mr.Me Corp, you would be hung by your shareholders for not getting involved with the Pentagon.

It's easy to look down on the military industrial complex when you're not involved, did you know nearly 70% of the American economy revolves around the military industrial complex? Yeah, it's that huge, America survives on war and debt, you better believe it. No war means no economy, I'm serious.

So love the weapons or love poverty because that's your choice, realisticly, that's it....

Yeah, Hate the spin off's like Halliburton and it's "evil" subsidiaries, but completely ignore the Sony and Motorola contracts, they're all the same, all any corporation cares about is profit. As I said, most corp's worth their salt have contracts with the Pentagon, it goes so deep you'd have to take on the world and every bank in it to have a meaningful trial. :rolleyes:

[Anders Lindman]

The military industrial complex is an 800 pound gorilla in the living room. :eek::D

[metacomet]

Mm yeah, good points all around. Military Industrial Complex is a huge topic... they don't teach about it in school and they don't talk about it in the media.

M.I.C as Eisenhower warned of it 'taking over' did just that ... he saw it in motion and knew there was no way to stop it. The most he could do was warn us in a farewell speech.

Most Presidents before the Nixon era (to my understanding) were a little bit freaked out when they realized America was not under government control but under military control. Most likely because they saw the same thing that happened in Nazi Germany being set up here. And now it's in full swing.

The MIC calls the shots whether or not the Democracy or Republic supports it. Even though plenty of Reps and Dems were against the War in Iraq - the MIC had enough politicians in it's pocket as well as control of the mainstream media.

Therefore: The MIC calls the shots, with or without Presidential support or support from the country. This freaked Eisenhower out... freaked Kennedy out...

But the Presidents 'of late' have no such moral dilemmas. All politics and all big business is backed by the war machine. That's why all our money goes into military coffers.

[Anders Lindman]

M.I.C as Eisenhower warned of it 'taking over' did just that ...

Then the question is: how much power does the Obama administration have over the military industrial complex? Or is it more correct to describe it as the opposite, that it is the military industrial complex that has the power over the U.S. government?

[impermanence]

Mm yeah, good points all around. Military Industrial Complex is a huge topic... they don't teach about it in school and they don't talk about it in the media.

M.I.C as Eisenhower warned of it 'taking over' did just that ... he saw it in motion and knew there was no way to stop it. The most he could do was warn us in a farewell speech.

Most Presidents before the Nixon era (to my understanding) were a little bit freaked out when they realized America was not under government control but under military control. Most likely because they saw the same thing that happened in Nazi Germany being set up here. And now it's in full swing.

The MIC calls the shots whether or not the Democracy or Republic supports it. Even though plenty of Reps and Dems were against the War in Iraq - the MIC had enough politicians in it's pocket as well as control of the mainstream media.

Therefore: The MIC calls the shots, with or without Presidential support or support from the country. This freaked Eisenhower out... freaked Kennedy out...

But the Presidents 'of late' have no such moral dilemmas. All politics and all big business is backed by the war machine. That's why all our money goes into military coffers.

Absolutely.

I'm getting drunk now but I think I can still make sense... People think they vote for a leader, no, they are conditioned to choose from an already chosen couple of CEO's of America Corp. America is just another corporation with citizens and countries as products.

[metacomet]

Then the question is: how much power does the Obama administration have over the military industrial complex? Or is it more correct to describe it as the opposite, that it is the military industrial complex that has the power over the U.S. government?

The wake up call to 'liberal' Americans concerning their Christ-figure Obama has come and gone...

M.I.C. probably has a killswitch on Obama. He's not the only one. Icke spoke about this... was shown a killswitch in person as he put it.

[impermanence]

Then the question is: how much power does the Obama administration have over the military industrial complex? Or is it more correct to describe it as the opposite, that it is the military industrial complex that has the power over the U.S. government?


The military industrial complex, like the pharmacological industrial complex (yes they are intertwined, so is everything), and all industrial groups are in it together, shareholders want cash, CEO's need shareholders, politicians need funds!! It's a vicious cycle but such is the world we live in, and until the rules change from the top, nothing will change, regardless of any internet awareness or hate.

[Anders Lindman]

M.I.C. probably has a killswitch on Obama.

The JFK assassination was suspicious. That indicates that there were nasty things going on behind the scene even then, and has been going on, and is going on even today.

[Anders Lindman]

The military industrial complex, like the pharmacological industrial complex (yes they are intertwined, so is everything), and all industrial groups are in it together, shareholders want cash, CEO's need shareholders, politicians need funds!! It's a vicious cycle but such is the world we live in, and until the rules change from the top, nothing will change, regardless of any internet awareness or hate.

Yeah, it's probably a whole intertwined mess of power struggle.

[impermanence]

Yeah, it's probably a whole intertwined mess of power struggle.

Yes, as always, it's probably the obvious, it's so easy to understand with brilliant minds like ours. We should copulate and multiply, ;)

[Anders Lindman]

Yes, as always, it's probably the obvious, it's so easy to understand with brilliant minds like ours. We should copulate and multiply, ;)

Of course. Still, it's difficult to know who has the most power. My bet is on the Greys. :D

[impermanence]

Of course. Still, it's difficult to know who has the most power. My bet is on the Greys. :D


Yes the grey Jews, you're so right, they're so discoloured and grey, it's probably their lack of exhilarating 'street' input, they're so out of touch. Hippidy Hop culture went right over their heads, although they funded the whole fucking thing, go figure.

[Anders Lindman]

Yes the grey Jews, you're so right, they're so discoloured and grey, it's probably their lack of exhilarating 'street' input, they're so out of touch. Hippidy Hop culture went right over their heads, although they funded the whole fucking thing, go figure.

I meant the space alien kind of Greys. They control the top of the entire power pyramid.

[impermanence]

I meant the space alien kind of Greys. They control the top of the entire power pyramid.


OK, yeah, the aliens from the planet Sun, the fire people, like anybody could exist on the Sun!! You're so funny.

[Anders Lindman]

OK, yeah, the aliens from the planet Sun, the fire people, like anybody could exist on the Sun!! You're so funny.

Nah, not fire people. The Greys are droids.

[impermanence]

Nah, not fire people. The Greys are droids.


Ahh, OK, "You will be assimilated"? People made out of toasters and kettles? But who programmed the kettle? That's my dilemma when dealing with your brilliant, intellectual sci-fi mind.

[waitew]

Yes, as always, it's probably the obvious, it's so easy to understand with brilliant minds like ours. We should copulate and multiply, ;)

Woo-Hooo...bring on the woman!

[Anders Lindman]

Ahh, OK, "You will be assimilated"? People made out of toasters and kettles? But who programmed the kettle? That's my dilemma when dealing with your brilliant, intellectual sci-fi mind.

Some advanced ET civilization created the Greys. Chances are that the Greys are just a fantasy, except that there are many credible people who have said that they are real. I think even Colonel Corso who was involved in reverse engineering alien technology mentioned the Greys in his book The Day After Roswell.

And many other high ranking military people have talked about it, like in the Disclosure project. This means that there COULD be aliens interacting with the military industrial complex.

[impermanence]

Some advanced ET civilization created the Greys. Chances are that the Greys are just a fantasy, except that there are many credible people who have said that they are real. I think even Colonel Corso who was involved in reverse engineering alien technology mentioned the Greys in his book The Day After Roswell.

And many other high ranking military people have talked about it, like in the Disclosure project. This means that there COULD be aliens interacting with the military industrial complex.

The greys, just like gods and monsters are as real as you permit them to be. They exist, yet they don't, it's a subjective, individual thing. As a child I believed, as a conceited teenager I ridiculed, as a psychonaut I understand. They are as real as you are to me, I feel I'm a cynical solipsist at heart lol. Nothing is true, everything is permitted.

[Anders Lindman]

The greys, just like gods and monsters are as real as you permit them to be. They exist, yet they don't, it's a subjective, individual thing. As a child I believed, as a conceited teenager I ridiculed, as a psychonaut I understand. They are as real as you are to me, I feel I'm a cynical solipsist at heart lol. Nothing is true, everything is permitted.

But do the Greys exist as real entities? I don't know. It will be interesting to see if the Kepler space telescope will show evidence for Earth-like planets:

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/space/03/06/nasa.kepler.launch.planets/index.html

If there are planets out there like Earth, then it's not unlikely that intelligent life has evolved throughout the whole universe.

[impermanence]

But do the Greys exist as real entities? I don't know. It will be interesting to see if the Kepler space telescope will show evidence for Earth-like planets:

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/space/03/06/nasa.kepler.launch.planets/index.html

If there are planets out there like Earth, then it's not unlikely that intelligent life has evolved throughout the whole universe.


What about dimensions we cannot normally perceive? Energy vibrating on frequencies we cannot comprehend? That, to me, is the most exciting area. Having experienced profound mystical states and possible contact with interdimensional intelligences while on various psychedelics I'm completely open to ideas, however, concern for what we can see and measure seems like a primitive avenue to me. The universe is so much more than we dare to comprehend.

[Anders Lindman]

What about dimensions we cannot normally perceive? Energy vibrating on frequencies we cannot comprehend? That, to me, is the most exciting area. Having experienced profound mystical states and possible contact with interdimensional intelligences while on various psychedelics I'm completely open to ideas, however, concern for what we can see and measure seems like a primitive avenue to me. The universe is so much more than we dare to comprehend.

David Icke has talked about that we are only aware of a very tiny slice of reality. That's true. However, I believe the 'ordinary' world is the main channel so to speak. People taking psychedelics for example probably turn the dial of their mind so that they can experience vibrations outside the main channel.

[impermanence]

I believe the 'ordinary' world is the main channel so to speak.

Correction, it's YOUR main channel. What you perceive is your world, not mine or anybody else's. What is ordinary'?

You must understand, everything you perceive is a conditioned bastardisation of electrochemical impulses picked up by your brain, the universe is not how it seems to you right now, it is truly bizarre chaotic energy. We've moulded it for a second to perceive a path, yes, it seems like we have a handle on things, but it's foolish to believe such things, to believe anything actually. As Bill Hicks once said; we are but a virus with shoes.

What is real? What is perception? Smoke a spliff and ponder these things, study various philosophy in your own time, study the sciences, fall in love, play an instrument. I ask you again, what is real? :rolleyes:


Sorry for the rant lol

[friendsinthesky]

Woo-Hooo...bring on the woman!
3 is a crowd, just throw in some mud and watch them wrestle.

[leviathanstaar]

The largest portion of these forums is esoteric in nature.

Pre-emptively implied from conception when being a fan/reader of David Icke.

The number of posts saying 'get back to reality' is increasing drastically.

While knowledge and participation in current events is critical, it can also be as consuming as any one thing within the illusion.

It is interesting all the posts as of late lashing out at creative esoteric thinking and evaluation in an environment that is clearly meant to promote just that.

PS. If you are not a moderater, or upkeeper of this website.....you are in no way shape or form an authority as to what is or is not an appropriate or bandwidth worthy thread.

I'm not sure what leads some of you to beleive the contrary, except to say that this is yet another place that hubrous and elitism can leak.

[Anders Lindman]

Correction, it's YOUR main channel. What you perceive is your world, not mine or anybody else's. What is ordinary'?

You must understand, everything you perceive is a conditioned bastardisation of electrochemical impulses picked up by your brain, the universe is not how it seems to you right now, it is truly bizarre chaotic energy. We've moulded it for a second to perceive a path, yes, it seems like we have a handle on things, but it's foolish to believe such things, to believe anything actually. As Bill Hicks once said; we are but a virus with shoes.

What is real? What is perception? Smoke a spliff and ponder these things, study various philosophy in your own time, study the sciences, fall in love, play an instrument. I ask you again, what is real? :rolleyes:


Sorry for the rant lol

Don't forget the collective unconscious. Our planet is like an unborn entity. The birth of Gaia is at hand!!! We are separate individuals. We also share the collective experience of our planet. We are our individual selves. We also are the whole planet. We are the Milky Way galaxy. We are the universe.

With the launch of the Kepler space telescope, Gaia is slowly opening her eyes and squints around to see if there are other 'people' out there. I hope this has not gone too far off topic. The Kepler telescope is a NASA project, and as I understand it, NASA will become a part of the military industrial complex.

[Anders Lindman]

I just came to think of an outrageous conspiracy theory related to the military industrial complex. What if the SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) project actually has received signals from ET civilizations but they are not allowed to reveal that due to a contract, a non-disclosure agreement with the military industrial complex. :D

[impermanence]

I just came to think of an outrageous conspiracy theory related to the military industrial complex. What if the SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) project actually has received signals from ET civilizations but they are not allowed to reveal that due to a contract, a non-disclosure agreement with the military industrial complex. :D


Ahh, bureaucracy and legislation, such is the nature of bored Human Beings, details, details, details....

Any intelligence worth it's salt would run a billion light years from our solar system. :D

Of course, we're not permitted to know, anything, that is level 5+ access.

Alien intelligences need level 6+ access to monitor your strange behaviour.. ;)

[Anders Lindman]

Alien intelligences need level 6+ access to monitor your strange behaviour.. ;)

Exactly. How would anyone with the slightest sense of conspiracy awareness believe that the SETI project would be free from the control of the industrial military complex? 6 star general, speaking on the behalf of the 5 pointed star military complex: "This project [SETI] is of grave concern for our national security. You are obliged to, under executive order 66, to adhere to the requirements specified in this agreement. Sign it! Or your project will be pancaked before you even know it." :D

[impermanence]

Exactly. How would anyone with the slightest sense of conspiracy awareness believe that the SETI project would be free from the control of the industrial military complex? 6 star general, speaking on the behalf of the 5 pointed star military complex: "This project [SETI] is of grave concern for our national security. You are obliged to, under executive order 66, to adhere to the requirements specified in this agreement. Sign it! Or your project will be pancaked before you even know it." :D


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[msmoorad]

in my opinion, its safer to talk about the illuminati, NWO & protocols of the elders of Zion as the powers that be can deny the existence of these things-we can go on speaking but we dont have much proof-in terms of undeniable, irrefutable evidence.
or
they dont care about us.
as for the mil/indus complex, this is more dangerous because there is concrete proof/evidence as there are so many companies and individuals involved and there is a paper trail of sales and transfers of funds etc.
if the sheeple get their teeth into that, it could be a headache for the govt & the companies involved.
so they avoid all mention of it.

it sounded better in my mind- so forgive me if my theory does not make sense.

[Anders Lindman]

in my opinion, its safer to talk about the illuminati, NWO & protocols of the elders of Zion as the powers that be can deny the existence of these things-we can go on speaking but we dont have much proof-in terms of undeniable, irrefutable evidence.
or
they dont care about us.
as for the mil/indus complex, this is more dangerous because there is concrete proof/evidence as there are so many companies and individuals involved and there is a paper trail of sales and transfers of funds etc.
if the sheeple get their teeth into that, it could be a headache for the govt & the companies involved.
so they avoid all mention of it.

it sounded better in my mind- so forgive me if my theory does not make sense.

Interesting point. It's almost as if terms like Illuminati and Zion are diversions, leading researchers away from the more obvious military industrial complex.

[bowtiedaddy]

Or is that too boring?

Seems to me, Icke is more about the occult/spiritual side of it. Alex Jones is more toward the Military Industrial Complex/political side.

[simplysimon]

Anyone see the front page Telegraph Story Today... SAS geezer resigns cos the Land Rovers are shite and killing our good soldiers in Afghanistan...

I wonder which brown nosed corporate is gonna steal another shit load of taxes to build replacement vehicles.