god save us all!!!!!

[cjellwood]

I have recently run into a rumour that there was no second plane to hit the WTC and that there was just an explosion? Well this does sound ridiculous considering all the sheep are saying there was a plane but I have just examined a video of the second plane hit and took a still image from it and put it here. Notice anything puculiar?

http://www.dubfinger.0catch.com/investigate/noplane.jpg

1. This adds up with the sight of a flash on the building where the planes nose was heading before the impact (bomb)

2. This is obviously computer generated, the plane is more blurred than the surrounding buildings and there is no damage to the building yet or signof impact evn though the plane is 45% inside it?

3. Check all live TV coverage of the event, no live coverage caught the second plane, only camcorders on the ground?

4. There should be a very long shadow to the left of the plane on the building because the sun is coming from the right of the pic. Notice the building in the far right of pic and the angle of light

I think we need a public wake up investigation headed by.....THE PUBLIC!!

C'mon guys and gals, wakey wakey. Dont even bother going to work tommorow or paying another bill, fight for your freedom now

[whitenight639]

1. This adds up with the sight of a flash on the building where the planes nose was heading before the impact (bomb)
--we know there were bombs in the building!

2. This is obviously computer generated, the plane is more blurred than the surrounding buildings and there is no damage to the building yet or signof impact evn though the plane is 45% inside it?
--the kerosene hadnt ignited yet

3. Check all live TV coverage of the event, no live coverage caught the second plane, only camcorders on the ground?
-- think a few thousand new yourkers might disagree with you

4. There should be a very long shadow to the left of the plane on the building because the sun is coming from the right of the pic. Notice the building in the far right of pic and the angle of light
--the image is low res but you can see a slight shaddow


I think we need a public wake up investigation headed by.....THE PUBLIC!!

C'mon guys and gals, wakey wakey. Dont even bother going to work tommorow or paying another bill, fight for your freedom now-- you got this bit right!!

this kind of thing gives truth seekers a crazy image (not helped by the BullS media tho!)

[infinitetruth]

David Shayler said the same thing about the plane, he said that it was a missile which projected a holographic image of a plane around it. And with the technology they have it might be possible.

However the only people to know the truth died that day, there is NO point in bringing this information up - yes it might be true and you may even get evidence of it ---but NO ONE will believe (no majority anyway) its just too far out.

There is plenty of firm evidence to suggest that 9/11 was an inside job. We need to concentrate on releasing this evidence so the majority question the government. We need answers - and we need serious answers, stuff like this isn't going to give us anything but ridicule. Lets concentrate on the concrete evidence like the money trail, the 9/11 timeline and eye-witness accounts, government whistleblowers and building 7.

[indigo]

Was there ever any witness accounts or recordings of the second plane that hit the tower? or the flight that hit the pentagon? I don't think the is. There only recordings released are of the first plane and flight 93. Very odd.

[barbitone]

David Shayler said the same thing about the plane, he said that it was a missile which projected a holographic image of a plane around it. And with the technology they have it might be possible.

However the only people to know the truth died that day, there is NO point in bringing this information up - yes it might be true and you may even get evidence of it ---but NO ONE will believe (no majority anyway) its just too far out.

There is plenty of firm evidence to suggest that 9/11 was an inside job. We need to concentrate on releasing this evidence so the majority question the government. We need answers - and we need serious answers, stuff like this isn't going to give us anything but ridicule. Lets concentrate on the concrete evidence like the money trail, the 9/11 timeline and eye-witness accounts, government whistleblowers and building 7.

I would have to agree with this angle. True or not, it is not going to help in terms of public exposure. But it is a possablity I think. It definetly looks strange. And they certainly have some crazy technology.

[barbitone]

plus, when you see the size of the steel frames it is supposed to be crashing straight through.....it just doesn't make sense! Those things are huge! And the plane is just alloy and such isn't it? (dunno really) I wouldn't have put any money on the plane even entering the building. I would've thought it would just crush up like a tin can and explode on the side of the building. There had to at least be a detenation to allow the plane into the building......and of course the plane would have to fully enter the building because otherwise the leftovers would end up on the street and could then be investigated and such. They couldn't have that!:rolleyes:

That in itself is suspect. The planes ended up perfectly inside the buildings. Hardcore precision flying for these "box cutter wielding, amateur pilots. On top of many other oddities obviously........

[lottie]

why would they bother arsing around with holograms etc??....its far easier to either brainwash/mindcontrol some asian looking people to highjack the planes or remotely control the plane to fly into the buildings without the need for highjackers at all.....we all know it was a set up i just think that its far easier to do the whole thing with real planes....not saying its not true- i wasnt there so i cant possibly comment ...but i dont think holograms despite how sophisticated they are these days were the way they did it!! they had to make it realistic to a degree!!!

[cjellwood]

low res or not, why can I see the planes left engine as a small dark shadow inside the building and no damage to the building that should have been caused by the left wing by this time?

Whatever way you look at it, there is definitely an inconsistency here. I have seen 4 different vids of the 2nd plane from different angles and different sound. They are all showing something different? Even the sound of the plane changes in some from the sounde of a missile to the sound of a jumbo jet?

I think we need to get down to basic maths here.... 0/1
Instead of trying to work out how this happened, lets work out why it happened and who is the begining of the problem? Every calculation eventually gets to '1' so keep digging and playing with the numbers without distraction until you get it. I have seen things more bizare than planes hitting towers but I tell you they are all connected. A rich tappestry as David Icke says.

[barbitone]

why would they bother arsing around with holograms etc??....its far easier to either brainwash/mindcontrol some asian looking people to highjack the planes or remotely control the plane to fly into the buildings without the need for highjackers at all.....we all know it was a set up i just think that its far easier to do the whole thing with real planes....not saying its not true- i wasnt there so i cant possibly comment ...but i dont think holograms despite how sophisticated they are these days were the way they did it!! they had to make it realistic to a degree!!!

If it was a plane at all, I highly doubt it was an ordinary plane. It had to have been some kind of suped up jet or a military jet with the exterior look of a jumbo passenger plane. With the amount of crazy technology they have at their disposal I don't think it really would be easier to use mind-control or remotes....I think they'd rather pull out the bug guns and test them out. Make some use of them. There are a lot of possible problems and hic-ups with using a mind controlled pilot or remote. They wouldn't want to cock it up too bad.

...........looking back at this post of mine....I know there are lots of problems....but I'm just thinking really.....

One thing I've never heard anything about is the passengers in the planes that hit the buildings. No one ever mentions them. Anyone know anything about that? If they were real planes then they must have had real people in them......??

[cjellwood]

knowing USA with there court room addiction I would guess there are a few legal cases regarding the families of the air victims. This would obviously be because the airline was responsible for letting the hijackers on the plane ad so accountable. I wonder if there is a trail there?

The problem with investigating this line is that at some time somebody is going to pop up and say this is direspectfull to the dead, that is what the excuse has mainly been for the halting of most investigations etc into this. But, I do not think seeking the truth is disrespectful to them

[barbitone]

knowing USA with there court room addiction I would guess there are a few legal cases regarding the families of the air victims. This would obviously be because the airline was responsible for letting the hijackers on the plane ad so accountable. I wonder if there is a trail there?

The problem with investigating this line is that at some time somebody is going to pop up and say this is direspectfull to the dead, that is what the excuse has mainly been for the halting of most investigations etc into this. But, I do not think seeking the truth is disrespectful to them

yeah, well they're dead. I don't think they'd mind. :rolleyes: I've never really understood the reasoning behind that sort of angle. Doesn't "dead" mean that by definition you are no longer in the game? the game that includes feeling things like emotion? like, people sometimes say stuff like "I'd be pissed of if I died and somebody dis-respected my grave" or something, whatever......I say "um.....your dead in that scenario.......you aint gonna be thinking or feeling anything, that's the point of the term "dead"!

I'm just pokin' here.......I don't believe in death. Sorry I'm rambling.......I think I'll try looking into that, about the passengers....

[cjellwood]

I believe the weakest link in this conspiracy chain to investigate is the claim by the wtc tennants of an unusual power outage 2 weeks before the event that lasted 36 hours. The excuse for this was that they were laying new internet cables? Ermm, internet cables are not high voltage so why the power out?

This seemed to be the window of opportunity for the wiring of explosives to be placed around the building for the demolition. Nearly everyone in the building prior to the attack had seen lots of guys going around the building with reels of wire, plus many witnesses heard numatic drills in operation.

This WAS a controlled demolition, there is no doubt about that. Finding the people that were wiring the building (allegedly) is the key to this mystery and prving it was bollox

[narcolepticwatchman]

why would they bother arsing around with holograms etc??....its far easier to either brainwash/mindcontrol some asian looking people to highjack the planes or remotely control the plane to fly into the buildings without the need for highjackers at all.....we all know it was a set up i just think that its far easier to do the whole thing with real planes....not saying its not true- i wasnt there so i cant possibly comment ...but i dont think holograms despite how sophisticated they are these days were the way they did it!! they had to make it realistic to a degree!!!

I know what you are saying there but really think about this lottie. They planned this to happen in the way it did, from start to finish. ie, they planned for planes to hit the towers, and the pentagon, and one to crash in Shanksville. These were the attacks as they have been sold. They planned for the 3 buildings in NY to crumble to the ground also. Now, for all this planning, there are still loads of things which could fuck up their plan. The main risk to these guys concerns the major focal point. The towers. They know all eyes are on them and they know that they need to sell these attacks as much as possible to forward their agenda. The plan for the towers is for them to crumble because of jetliner impacts. To plan something properly, you need to know exactly how something is gonna work out do you agree? No one has ever flew a jetliner into a building with the same construction as the twin towers before have they? So how do they know what is possibly gonna happen when they do it? I mean, what if it didn't make any hole in the structure at all. what if it blew up outside the tower and fell to the ground? How they gonna sell the later building collapses then?

My point is, they had no idea what would happen if they used real planes. They had to do something that they knew would look feasible to explain the later collapses. The helicopters were fitted with Wescams. I am convinced about it all now for sure.

[narcolepticwatchman]

I believe the weakest link in this conspiracy chain to investigate is the claim by the wtc tennants of an unusual power outage 2 weeks before the event that lasted 36 hours. The excuse for this was that they were laying new internet cables? Ermm, internet cables are not high voltage so why the power out?

This seemed to be the window of opportunity for the wiring of explosives to be placed around the building for the demolition. Nearly everyone in the building prior to the attack had seen lots of guys going around the building with reels of wire, plus many witnesses heard numatic drills in operation.

This WAS a controlled demolition, there is no doubt about that. Finding the people that were wiring the building (allegedly) is the key to this mystery and prving it was bollox

I heard that power down was only on the top half of both buildings. the guy who was being intervied said it was unprecedented.

[cjellwood]

the guy I see speak about it said his company got 1 week notice of the blackout via a letter from the port authority. Maybe there was 2 blackouts?

Ahhh!! does anyone know what they are building in the place of the WTC? probably a masonic symbol no doubt

Hopefully a 600ft DICK! A shrine to themselves lol Just like the dick monument in washington

[cjellwood]

am i being paranoid by thinking this wtc replacement looks like a masonic oblisque? http://www.glasssteelandstone.com/BuildingDetail/439.php

[dondaz]

Hi cjellwood,

Anything is possible;)

[dondaz]

"We believe what we want to believe and disregard the rest!"

Mark Knofler

!

[friendsinthesky]

Compare the pic with another. The Twin towers have NO detail, just grey. Anyone who has worked with photoshop would clearly see this..:D

..also, I agree with whitenight639---->


this kind of thing gives truth seekers a crazy image (not helped by the BullS media tho!)

[narcolepticwatchman]

Compare the pic with another. The Twin towers have NO detail, just grey. Anyone who has worked with photoshop would clearly see this..:D

..also, I agree with whitenight639---->

You agree with the crazy image it gives people then? If everyone was bothered about looking crazy to the general public when researching stuff do you think the 911 truth movement would be where it is today? i mean, what crazy people would think that the US would do to themselves? Its the whole truth going through 3 stages thing again.

I'm surprised at anyone on an Icke forum being worried about the crazy tags. The general public (in the UK anyway) will think you are crazy for buying an Icke book or visiting his site anyway......or do you all keep this to yourselves like some skeleton in the closet?

I think its a stigma that needs to be lost........I'm surprised that people who claim to be awake will blindly discount this theory on the basis of it sounding crazy....without doing research into it.

No-one seems to see the logic of the grand plan I outlined in my previous post either. They had the script written from start to finish......(does anyone refute this???)........how on earth could they anticipate what damage would be inflicted to those buildings to make the collapse look convincing. It is impossible to predict and I do not believe with the planning that those guys must have done to carry this off, they would have risked leaving anything to chance. Does no-one see the logic in this?

[stickylolly]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vV_ynLM4MHg

[stickylolly]

check out this ! http://www.coffinman.co.uk/holes_in_the_towers.htm