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pri01

06-03-2009, 01:54 PM

size_of_light

06-03-2009, 01:57 PM

I think we'd all like to believe this was true:

Neverland Ranch Investigators Discover Corpse Of Real Michael Jackson

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/30940

kiwimaj

06-03-2009, 01:59 PM

This is my original post on the mind/control/sumbolism THREAD...

Quote:
Originally Posted by forza nascosta
Just saw a clip of Michael Jackson speaking at the O2 yesterday. I have to say he sounds completely different. What has happened to his voice?

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I am in a rush but he is speaking about 5/6 min mark.

"How utterly sad. All those sheep, still brainwashed, even after all these years. It's a sickening sight to behold. Whether or not you actually believe he is a pedophile (which I DO), I cannot believe people are still being taken in by this ..freak. Did anyone else also notice the hand signs?? Illuminati puppet on display. I could only watch up to the part he started talking, then stopped, then started..(showing what looked like to me a sickening drug filled display of "gratitude")..because I felt literally sick to my stomach.

As you can tell, I WON'T be one of the brainwashed sheeple to be conned into buying a ticket. I bet the illuminati are rubbing their greedly little hands with glee, all the human energy directed at him, adn through him, they are going to get a good "fill up".

On the difference in his looks/speech, maybe he has been away for fine tuning, or even, replacement??

Oh well, my 2 cents. "

YES, it DOES make sense in this "person" being a double, I think the original Jacko cannot perform anymore, well in public, anyway.

alzee

06-03-2009, 02:04 PM

It certainly didn't sound like the pedo we've all come to know. The voice, this time, was deeper than normal.

gilly

06-03-2009, 02:05 PM

Eyes peeled...whenever the bizarre Mr.Jackson (like some odd creation of Tim Burton on a bad trip) hits the headlines, it's a deliberate distraction from more sinister carryings on. Mark my words.

moondancer

06-03-2009, 02:10 PM

Who knows... Im thankful to say ive never heard him give an interview.. but if this is a set up, why? What do they have to gain by unleashing 'him' back onto the publics agenda? :confused:

(as for his tunes, I can't be doing with the high pitched yelps...and the thought of his crotch area makes me feel a bit queasy, so him grabbing it was never gonna be a winner for me *shudder*)

moondancer

06-03-2009, 02:11 PM

Eyes peeled...whenever the bizarre Mr.Jackson (like some odd creation of Tim Burton on a bad trip) hits the headlines, it's a deliberate distraction from more sinister carryings on. Mark my words.

Thats one answer then yeah.. blimey, doesnt take much to distract um hey

size_of_light

06-03-2009, 02:16 PM

Where do you find grown men these days prepared to be filmed in an audience acting like giddy, hysterical schoolgirls over Michael Jackson? :confused:

Anyhow...the voice was a bit disconcerting. Maybe his balls finally dropped - who knows? - but if someone explained to me later on that this guy was really just the world's best Michael Jackson impersonator, I'd probably start thinking "Yeah, I can see that. It makes sense when you look at it again."

EDIT: Wait for it...sooner or later some utter douchebag will post on this thread saying something along the lines of "I can't believe you people actually think...(blah blah blah)....no wonder this forum has gone to shit....(blah blah)...some of you actually believe....(blah blah)...of course it's fucking him....(blah blah blah etc.)"

lostinstrangeworld

06-03-2009, 02:31 PM

People fall under the spell of music.......

gilly

06-03-2009, 02:36 PM

Thats one answer then yeah.. blimey, doesnt take much to distract um hey

Exactly. Let's see how many tabloids give him their front & inner page coverage.

lostinstrangeworld

06-03-2009, 02:36 PM

Has anyone read the poem "Planet Earth" by Mike? It's lovely

1971

06-03-2009, 04:00 PM

You know when I saw the press launch it run though my mind that it wasnt really him...but he does have many faces.

armoured_amazon

06-03-2009, 04:06 PM

size_of_light

06-03-2009, 04:11 PM

armoured_amazon

06-03-2009, 04:27 PM

:D

:D

1971

06-03-2009, 04:56 PM

I can't believe you people actually think...(the queen is a lizard)....no wonder this forum has gone to shit....(blah blah)...some of you actually believe....(blah blah)...of course it's fucking him....:mad

Anyway, how come there is a massive thread about Paul Mccartney being replaced and when someone mentions that MJ doesnt look or sound the same its frowned upon?

:D

coco

06-03-2009, 05:15 PM

Sounds like he has a cold or perhaps his balls finally did drop.

aya_rei

06-03-2009, 07:31 PM

Where do you find grown men these days prepared to be filmed in an audience acting like giddy, hysterical schoolgirls over Michael Jackson?

LoL!

That was the first thing that came to mind when I saw those men and women going apesh*t for MJ like that.

I think it is him, but - as I am beginning to give in the possibility - is him being controlled by someone else. The different voice and all could be justified by him being above all a singer, though? I'm not too knowledgeable on music, but I thought that it's possible for someone trained in it to change their voice whenever the occasion calls for it.

lostworld

06-03-2009, 07:39 PM

Hi all,
we've been covering this over at the Stepford thread today too. Check it out:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46038&page=141

About voices: MJ has a deeper voice now, yes. Acutally I think this is his normal voice and the very high voice that we've heard so many times is a programmed child alter.
That alter is his comfort zone, that's when he hangs out with kids - going back to his "innocent" childhood protected from the more evil, unsafe adult world that is now. To me, this is pretty obvious...

Btw, MJ showed on the awful Bashir-interviews (I hate Bashir!) that he has a fantastic brittish accent too.
Maybe that orginally comes from an English alter?
Britney has a brittish accent too sometimes...

MJ's brittish accent:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1SLgFKU2fM

size_of_light

06-03-2009, 07:43 PM

LoL!

That was the first thing that came to mind when I saw those men and women going apesh*t for MJ like that.

I think it is him, but - as I am beginning to give in the possibility - is him being controlled by someone else. The different voice and all could be justified by him being above all a singer, though? I'm not too knowledgeable on music, but I thought that it's possible for someone trained in it to change their voice whenever the occasion calls for it.

He's been out of the spotlight for a few years so he could have undergone any number of personal changes to make him appear and sound more confident in public. He's the sort of freak who just might have done it to some weird extent.

Except when he's on stage I've only ever seen him acting all shy and frail and high-pitched and wispy, so to see him speaking in a deeper tone and acting more masculine and forthright here was a bit of a surprise.

I'm not suggesting MID (Michael is Dead) and this is Fichael at all, but to be honest it would be a helluva lot easier to accept than the patently absurd bullshit about Paul McCartney being replaced.

jennf

06-03-2009, 07:55 PM

Sounds like he has a cold or perhaps his balls finally did drop.

lmao :D

pri01

06-03-2009, 08:13 PM

I can't believe you people actually think...(blah blah blah)....no wonder this forum has gone to shit....(blah blah)...some of you actually believe....(blah blah)...of course it's fucking him....:mad:

I'm sorry, but I couldn't say it was him or wasn't him for sure. The bloke that was on GMTV (lookalike) has had surgery to replicate his nose, teeth and chin. With sunglasses on and without having an inquisative mind we can easily be fooled. His dancing was instantly recognised as it was just like watching Michael Jackson. I am not on my own in being suspicous, and it's certainly put me off buying tickets as I am not convinced it is him.

lostworld

06-03-2009, 08:18 PM

He's been out of the spotlight for a few years so he could have undergone any number of personal changes to make him appear and sound more confident in public. He's the sort of freak who just might have done it to some weird extent.

Except when he's on stage I've only ever seen him acting all shy and frail and high-pitched and wispy, so to see him speaking in a deeper tone and acting more masculine and forthright here was a bit of a surprise.

I'm not suggesting MID (Michael is Dead) and this is Fichael at all, but to be honest it would be a helluva lot easier to accept than the patently absurd bullshit about Paul McCartney being replaced.

Size of light,
Michael didn't do this to himself - he's obviously a victim of severe mind control :( It's really sad and tragic.
All media has been doing the last 15 years is to bully and ridicule him to deconstruct the megastar MJ. The classic rise and fall taken to the extreme... I'm appalled that everyone falls for it and join in on the "freak-bullying".

He's the sort of freak who just might have done it to some weird extent.

This is exactly the reaction they want from people! The simple, not thinking deeper-reaction... You're all programmed when you "think" like this I'm sorry to say.

Look behind the media's presentation...! :rolleyes:
There is a reason for the ridicule and the bullying.
MJ started to break out of his programming and fight back and "they" hated him for it.
This comeback is probably him being reprogrammed and them milking their cow for the last time... Just awful. :(

And - Paul is dead :(
It's true. It's obvious AND it's very very sad...

:)

armoured_amazon

06-03-2009, 08:24 PM

I'm sorry, but I couldn't say it was him or wasn't him for sure. The bloke that was on GMTV (lookalike) has had surgery to replicate his nose, teeth and chin. With sunglasses on and without having an inquisative mind we can easily be fooled. His dancing was instantly recognised as it was just like watching Michael Jackson. I am not on my own in being suspicous, and it's certainly put me off buying tickets as I am not convinced it is him.

If I am able to get tickets at all, I will go to see Fichael. ;)

Size of light,
Michael didn't do this to himself - he's obviously a victim of severe mind control :( It's really sad and tragic.
All media has been doing the last 15 years is to bully and ridicule him to deconstruct the megastar MJ. The classic rise and fall taken to the extreme... I'm appalled that everyone falls for it and join in on the "freak-bullying".

I think so too.

pri01

06-03-2009, 10:53 PM

If I am able to get tickets at all, I will go to see Fichael. ;)

I think so too.

I sincerely hope that if you do spend your hard earned cash that you get what you pay for that is the wonderful entertainer MJ. I will remain minted (no chance), and keep my meagre pennies close to me for next time. I don't buy CD's where the artists do cover versions, well not intentionally anyway as I feel a little robbed. Additionally, I wouldn't go out of my way to pay to see a tribute act either for the same reason.

From what the media has whipped up, the conference appearance/charade with a very much disguised MJ (sunglasses) with unMJ voice, I remain truly a sceptic.

lostworld

06-03-2009, 11:17 PM

I sincerely hope that if you do spend your hard earned cash that you get what you pay for that is the wonderful entertainer MJ. I will remain minted (no chance), and keep my meagre pennies close to me for next time. I don't buy CD's where the artists do cover versions, well not intentionally anyway as I feel a little robbed. Additionally, I wouldn't go out of my way to pay to see a tribute act either for the same reason.

From what the media has whipped up, the conference appearance/charade with a very much disguised MJ (sunglasses) with unMJ voice, I remain truly a sceptic.

Good point Prio,
I'm glad that somebody else remembers the entertainer MJ and not only "the freak", as "they" want us too... :rolleyes: :)

As for his voice, I posted on this before: I actually think this is MJ AND his real voice for once, the higher voice matches his child alter - the person that we've been presented to most... :(
So - good if that's gone...

Remember Anna Nicole and her different voices/personas - same thing... :rolleyes: Britney is another one.

jennf

07-03-2009, 12:42 AM

Size of light,
Michael didn't do this to himself - he's obviously a victim of severe mind control :( It's really sad and tragic.
All media has been doing the last 15 years is to bully and ridicule him to deconstruct the megastar MJ. The classic rise and fall taken to the extreme... I'm appalled that everyone falls for it and join in on the "freak-bullying".

This is exactly the reaction they want from people! The simple, not thinking deeper-reaction... You're all programmed when you "think" like this I'm sorry to say.

Look behind the media's presentation...! :rolleyes:
There is a reason for the ridicule and the bullying.
MJ started to break out of his programming and fight back and "they" hated him for it.
This comeback is probably him being reprogrammed and them milking their cow for the last time... Just awful. :(

And - Paul is dead :(
It's true. It's obvious AND it's very very sad...

:)

I couldn't agree more, sadly. He was set-up because he was stepping out of the programme imo, and now they have brought him back hoping he will follow suite :( We had Celeb Big Brother not so long back with his sister Latoya on, and she spoke openly about what he/the family had been through, and also herself, but some of the convos happened early hours of the morning so only snippets (if any) were shown in the one hour evening show, and just checked on youtube and apparently the vids have been removed in the uk, maybe overseas you can still access them ;)

steevo

07-03-2009, 12:43 AM

The last time I looked on youtube, this video had been deleted. Anyway, here it is on DailyMotion :-

http://www.dailymotion.com/search/michael+jackson+care/video/xlcr1_michael-jackson-they-dont-care-abou_music

Skin head, dead head
Everybody gone bad
Situation, aggravation
Everybody allegation
In the suite, on the news
Everybody dog food
Bang bang, shot dead
Everybody's gone mad

All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us

Beat me, hate me
You can never break me
Will me, thrill me
You can never kill me
Jew me, sue me
Everybody do me
Kick me, kike me
Don't you black or white me

All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us

Tell me what has become of my life
I have a wife and two children who love me
I am the victim of police brutality, now
I'm tired of bein' the victim of hate
You're rapin' me of my pride
Oh, for God's sake
I look to heaven to fulfill its prophecy...
Set me free

Skin head, dead head
Everybody gone bad
trepidation, speculation
Everybody allegation
In the suite, on the news
Everybody dog food
black man, black male
Throw your brother in jail

All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us

Tell me what has become of my rights
Am I invisible because you ignore me?
Your proclamation promised me free liberty, now
I'm tired of bein' the victim of shame
They're throwing me in a class with a bad name
I can't believe this is the land from which I came
You know I do really hate to say it
The government don't wanna see
But if Roosevelt was livin'
He wouldn't let this be, no, no

Skin head, dead head
Everybody gone bad
Situation, speculation
Everybody litigation
Beat me, bash me
You can never trash me
Hit me, kick me
You can never get me

All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us

Some things in life they just don't wanna see
But if Martin Luther was livin'
He wouldn't let this be

Skin head, dead head
Everybody gone bad
Situation, segregation
Everybody allegation
In the suite, on the news
Everybody dog food
Kick me, strike me
Don't you wrong or right me

All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us

All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us

All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us

steevo

07-03-2009, 12:49 AM

lostworld

07-03-2009, 02:38 AM

I couldn't agree more, sadly. He was set-up because he was stepping out of the programme imo, and now they have brought him back hoping he will follow suite :( We had Celeb Big Brother not so long back with his sister Latoya on, and she spoke openly about what he/the family had been through, and also herself, but some of the convos happened early hours of the morning so only snippets (if any) were shown in the one hour evening show, and just checked on youtube and apparently the vids have been removed in the uk, maybe overseas you can still access them ;)

Hi again Jen,
I'm glad that somebody else sees this :)
It's so tiring arguing with the MJ haters... :(

Both La Toya and Janet Jackson are very mind controlled too. I posted some on Janet today on the stepford-thread so check it out if you haven't already :)
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46038&page=142

lostworld

07-03-2009, 02:49 AM

The last time I looked on youtube, this video had been deleted. Anyway, here it is on DailyMotion :-

http://www.dailymotion.com/search/michael+jackson+care/video/xlcr1_michael-jackson-they-dont-care-abou_music

Hi Steevo,
good obervation :)

We've actually discussed this over at the stepford-thread before, check here:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46038&page=14
post # 139, 140, 141, 144, 145, 146, (147), (148)
This is important info to everyone interested in MJ's case.

So, I think that this is MJ firing back at his then - supposedly - jewish handlers and managers. You don't see lyrics like that from Britney and the others, now do you? :rolleyes:

lostworld

07-03-2009, 02:53 AM

I agree. That isnt Michael Jackson.

I think it is. Only re-programmed AND with his original voice. He's not in his child alter that we're so used to see...
And that's good! :)

However it's not good that "they" have him again, I think they're just milking their cow for the last time and then possibly he's being killed off :eek:
I hope I'm wrong though...

lostinstrangeworld

07-03-2009, 12:02 PM

Hello, lostworld. Please to meet you.

lostworld

07-03-2009, 12:36 PM

Hello, lostworld. Please to meet you.

Hi fellow lostie,
Please to meet you too. :)

I saw you yesterday and noticed our same view on life :rolleyes:

I'm lost in a lost world... = lostworld :)

Totally lost...
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/3069/cutepolarbearseated973.jpg

lostinstrangeworld

07-03-2009, 01:30 PM

Hi fellow lostie,
Please to meet you too. :)

I saw you yesterday and noticed our same view on life :rolleyes:

I'm lost in a lost world... = lostworld :)

Totally lost...
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/3069/cutepolarbearseated973.jpg

LOL. :)

I feel like I'm living in a parellel dimension sometimes.....I can be so dippy and spacey....even at the best of times. :)

grachtengordel

07-03-2009, 04:53 PM

Btw, MJ showed on the awful Bashir-interviews (I hate Bashir!) that he has a fantastic brittish accent too.
Maybe that orginally comes from an English alter?
Britney has a brittish accent too sometimes...

MJ's brittish accent:

whenever people say 'british ' accent, they invariably mean an 'english accent' as the countries of Northern Ireland, Wales and Scoatland that make up the 'british isles' or 'britain', do not speak like that, they have strong dialects, very different to 'english' accents, which include many regional dialects.

no one in england , ireland, wales or scoatland refers to themselves as 'british' except people who were born elsewhere and 'became' british

Has anyone read the poem "Planet Earth" by Mike? It's lovely

"mike"? the man is a sick peadophile , it may not be his 'fault' as he was abused and used as a pawn all the way , but he did, and he got away with it , so it's allright , THAT is the message the media is subliminally promoting

armoured_amazon

07-03-2009, 05:23 PM

Has anyone read the poem "Planet Earth" by Mike? It's lovely

Heh, I set it to music for my exams at school. :)

lostworld

07-03-2009, 06:46 PM

LOL. :)

I feel like I'm living in a parellel dimension sometimes.....I can be so dippy and spacey....even at the best of times. :)

What if parallel dimensions are real? That freaks me out... although it would explain a lot too. I do believe in stargates and portals to other dimensions so... :eek:

This was kind of a parallel dimension thing meeting you too... :)

eternal_spirit

07-03-2009, 07:55 PM

He's back:confused: Wish he'd just go away. I have the choice though I know I won't be watching the type of programmes or channels he appears on so I never even noticed he was gone let alone come back, so I can pretend he doesn't exist.:)

He's as aware of my existence as much as I am of him from now on.

joe911

07-03-2009, 08:09 PM

:cool::cool::cool: yayyyyyyyy tickets go on sale 13th march 7am :cool::cool:

aya_rei

07-03-2009, 08:10 PM

"mike"? the man is a sick peadophile , it may not be his 'fault' as he was abused and used as a pawn all the way , but he did, and he got away with it , so it's allright , THAT is the message the media is subliminally promoting

Though less sympathetic than I was willing to be, I think this is a good argument.

Could they be using MJ - and several other rich and famous people who committed a crime - as a lesson to the people, one which expresses the same old message that one can get away with anything, so long as they possess money, fame and power? It seems like a good possibility and we can debate whether or not MJ would have molested children if his life had taken a different path, but at the end of the day, it's a sad mess no matter what.

runlikehell

07-03-2009, 08:24 PM

GMTV yesterday were talking about Michaels comeback and mentioned his health in terms of if he would be physically fit enough to complete 10 high energy concerts in the summer this year. In addition they invited a lookalike, dancealike person who has had facial surgery to make himself look like Michael. He was a very convincing dancer as well and you would find it difficult to tell them apart.

I'm not sure though and would welcome some comments.:)

Aparently he was thinking of 10 nights at the O2 arena.

(20,000 Capasity x 10 (nights) = 200,000 people x 65 a Ticket + Merchindise = :eek::eek::eek::eek: of cash)

Everybody know's It's going to be that shapeshifting Paul Mc Cartney! Contracted to replace Mike for ten day's at the o2, he wouldent be able to cope with all that, and his other commitments!

lostworld

08-03-2009, 12:15 AM

"mike"? the man is a sick peadophile , it may not be his 'fault' as he was abused and used as a pawn all the way , but he did, and he got away with it , so it's allright , THAT is the message the media is subliminally promoting

Again - programming. This is what "they" want you to think of him... :rolleyes:
You're not seeing behind it all...

There is a reason for his deconstruction. There is a reason for the pedophila accusations. They want you to think of him as this "freak" and you all fall for it like little sheep... :(
I'm shocked that it was so easy for them to turn people against him. But everything is always as it seems, right? :rolleyes:
The problem with the world today is how people don't question what's presented to them... It's really scary.
They really must think we're stupid... :rolleyes:

MJ may be naive etc but I hate the bullying that's been going on for so long. It's totally absurd and SO low... It's like a modern witch hunt...

He's not a pedophile. His soul is innocent and kind. Anyone who don't see that must be blind. :(
However - since he's a victim of mindcontrol - A VICTIM - they can have done to him whatever they wanted to...
They can very well have programmed an alter that's abusive.
And when he himself then claims he's innocent he truly believes that, cause the alters don't know eachother...

This requires some extra thinking (it's not hard :D) but it makes sense... Everyone can see that he's messed up and this IS because of mind control!
And he's not the only one in his family either; just think of La Toya, Janet etc... :rolleyes:

When people talk about "freak" and being so hateful I can't help but thinking of an angry crowd from the Middle Ages, wanting to see blood.
This is just the same thing... :rolleyes:

armoured_amazon

08-03-2009, 03:32 AM

And when he himself then claims he's innocent he truly believes that, cause the alters don't know eachother...

This requires some extra thinking (it's not hard :D) but it makes sense...

I think so too.

lostworld

08-03-2009, 03:42 AM

I think so too.

Thanks Amazon,
I'm glad :)

metacomet

08-03-2009, 03:44 AM

size_of_light

08-03-2009, 03:45 AM

Again - programming. This is what "they" want you to think of him... :rolleyes:
You're not seeing behind it all...

There is a reason for his deconstruction. There is a reason for the pedophila accusations. They want you to think of him as this "freak" and you all fall for it like little sheep... :(
I'm shocked that it was so easy for them to turn people against him. But everything is always as it seems, right? :rolleyes:
The problem with the world today is how people don't question what's presented to them... It's really scary.
They really must think we're stupid... :rolleyes:

MJ may be naive etc but I hate the bullying that's been going on for so long. It's totally absurd and SO low... It's like a modern witch hunt...

He's not a pedophile. His soul is innocent and kind. Anyone who don't see that must be blind. :(
However - since he's a victim of mindcontrol - A VICTIM - they can have done to him whatever they wanted to...
They can very well have programmed an alter that's abusive.
And when he himself then claims he's innocent he truly believes that, cause the alters don't know eachother...

This requires some extra thinking (it's not hard :D) but it makes sense... Everyone can see that he's messed up and this IS because of mind control!
And he's not the only one in his family either; just think of La Toya, Janet etc... :rolleyes:

When people talk about "freak" and being so hateful I can't help but thinking of an angry crowd from the Middle Ages, wanting to see blood.
This is just the same thing... :rolleyes:

This is like saying that George W. Bush is innocent and sweet and wonderful and we shouldn't criticise him or bring up his war crimes because he's a victim of mind control...that WASN'T REALLY HIM ordering the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, murdering hundreds of thousands of people...he was BEING CONTROLLED! Don't you see?

:rolleyes:

Ridiculous.

Although if Bush could play guitar or moonwalk across the White House lawn there'd probably be people who got off on that enough who'd be prepared to whitewash everything else he did, just so they could keep on enjoying the aspects of his performance they enjoyed.

armoured_amazon

08-03-2009, 03:45 AM

I am down to concede that the real MJ is dead and they have been rolling out clones of him for the last decade or so.

Would it be wrong to say that would be the best scenario? :(

lostworld

08-03-2009, 03:54 AM

This is like saying that George W. Bush is innocent and sweet and wonderful and we shouldn't criticise him or bring up his war crimes because he's a victim of mind control...that WASN'T REALLY HIM ordering the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, murdering hundreds of thousands of people...he was BEING CONTROLLED! Don't you see?

:rolleyes:

Ridiculous.

Although if Bush could play guitar or moonwalk across the White House lawn there'd probably be people who got off on that enough who'd be prepared to whitewash everything else he did, just so they could keep on enjoying the aspects of his performance they enjoyed.

If you can't see the difference between a Bush clone with no soul and MJ who's totally destroyed by all that insane mind control -
yet still has a good and innocent soul - then :eek:

There is really NO comparison what so ever...! :rolleyes:

Why do you fall for that simple "he's a freak" media bs? Come on...

You really should look behind what's presented to you...

metacomet

08-03-2009, 03:55 AM

And yes I do believe he is a Paedophile. I truly believe that if he was not the superstar he is, he would be in prison right now.

Nonsense. He was acquitted because there were no real cases against him.

What we believe is irrelevant - MJ is free because he was never proven guilty. In other words - he was innocent.

This isn't like the O.J. Simpson trial ... MJ was not a criminal being 'let off' for his crime.

lostworld

08-03-2009, 03:56 AM

Would it be wrong to say that would be the best scenario? :(

No it wouldn't. :rolleyes:
It would be better to be dead I think than trapped in your own body = mind control :(

lostworld

08-03-2009, 03:59 AM

Nonsense. He was acquitted because there were no real cases against him.

What we believe is irrelevant - MJ is free because he was never proven guilty. In other words - he was innocent.

This isn't like the O.J. Simpson trial ... MJ was not a criminal being 'let off' for his crime.

I agree.
And that whole trial thing was just another attempt to totally destroy him... :(

"They" punish him for trying to break out of his programming. It's been going on for 15 years... Now THAT's ridiculous if anything! :mad:

armoured_amazon

08-03-2009, 04:00 AM

No it wouldn't. :rolleyes:
It would be better to be dead I think than trapped in your own body = mind control :(

Totally.

metacomet

08-03-2009, 04:06 AM

armoured_amazon

08-03-2009, 04:13 AM

The sad thing about the old Micheal was that he was aware of a conspiracy against him... aware of 'evil men' in high places... he tried to speak openly about them and explain why they were targeting him.

Haha, point and laugh, what a loon... sick boy touching freak... etc. etc.

I guarantee you the 'new' Micheal won't utter a word against his controllers or the people out to get him. He'll be a 'good boy'... guaranteed.

You've reminded me of Moonwalker...that shady guy in the suit and all the armed police types.

lostworld

08-03-2009, 04:23 AM

The sad thing about the old Micheal was that he was aware of a conspiracy against him... aware of 'evil men' in high places... he tried to speak openly about them and explain why they were targeting him.

Haha, point and laugh, what a loon... sick boy touching freak... etc. etc.

I guarantee you the 'new' Micheal won't utter a word against his controllers or the people out to get him. He'll be a 'good boy'... guaranteed.

I agree with you totally Metacomet :)

I think this is the real MJ though - just without the child alter. That would explain the different voice.

However it could also possibly be a clone - of course...

lostworld

08-03-2009, 04:25 AM

The sad thing about the old Micheal was that he was aware of a conspiracy against him... aware of 'evil men' in high places... he tried to speak openly about them and explain why they were targeting him.

Haha, point and laugh, what a loon... sick boy touching freak... etc. etc.

I guarantee you the 'new' Micheal won't utter a word against his controllers or the people out to get him. He'll be a 'good boy'... guaranteed.

I agree with you totally Metacomet :)

I think this is the real MJ though - just without the child alter. That would explain the different voice.

However it could also possibly be a clone - of course... We would never know the difference anyway... :rolleyes:

grachtengordel

08-03-2009, 01:58 PM

Again - programming. This is what "they" want you to think of him... You're not seeing behind it all...

don't be ridiculous. LOOK AT HIM. the man is INSANE, he has done everything in his power to transform his body to look like a white diana ross. even without the many , many stories of child abuse that surround this sick fiend, just what he has done to his own body demonstrates that he is not right in the head and should not be allowed near children.

how dare you claim he is innocent . he ABUSED LITTLE BOYS, and then paid thier families MILLIONS to shut up. CHILDREN were abused and thier lives ruined, how dare you deny this, just because you cannot accept that this demented monster is totally corrupted beyond salvation

you are a defender of peadophiles and thus a danger to children.

I cannot see the 'smug' emoticon as all are blocked on my PC

they want you to think of him as this "freak" and you all fall for it like little sheep.:

he IS a freak, and a dangerous pervert. he should be neutralised

I'm shocked that it was so easy for them to turn people against him.

I was never for him. one glove? what the f was that about? all the grabbing his croth and going "wooooooooo". pure foolishness

The problem with the world today is how people don't question what's presented to them... It's really scary.
They really must think we're stupid..

you ARE stupid

MJ may be naive etc but I hate the bullying that's been going on for so long. It's totally absurd and SO low... It's like a modern witch hunt...

so it should be, he IS a 'modern' witch

grachtengordel

08-03-2009, 02:04 PM

.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06K82xsG6vE

grachtengordel

08-03-2009, 02:10 PM

joe911

08-03-2009, 02:24 PM

.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06K82xsG6vE

Michael jackson,reguardless of what anyone thinks of him,will always be a ledgend and will be loved worldwide for a very long time to come.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd3BiPGa9bY

metacomet

08-03-2009, 04:33 PM

how dare you claim he is innocent . he ABUSED LITTLE BOYS, and then paid thier families MILLIONS to shut up.

Calm down. Sheesh. Micheal was found innocent yet people like you continue to rant and rave that he did this and that :rolleyes:.

MJ paid money to parents to shut them up because he was tired of being dragged through court cases that always ended with him being found innocent.

The cases of certain children were completely flimsy and it was obvious that money hungry parents were behind it. MJ had no problem dropping them some money just to quench their thirst for blood. It was a gesture like 'Fine, you want my money: take it and leave me alone.' MJ was not ordered to give anyone money - he was never found guilty. Think about that.

you are a defender of peadophiles and thus a danger to children.

MJ has never been proven as a pedophile. Not once. You, like most people, are completely brainwashed by all the jazzy news reports and 'special episodes of barbara walters' etc.

I was never for him. one glove? what the f was that about? all the grabbing his croth and going "wooooooooo". pure foolishness

Yeah what a weirdo, he's so weird . Let's just hang him up for child diddling... who cares if he's found guilty or not eh? Fuckin WEIRDO.

you ARE stupid

Yeah, ok.

joe911

08-03-2009, 04:42 PM

how dare you claim he is innocent . he ABUSED LITTLE BOYS, and then paid thier families MILLIONS to shut up. CHILDREN were abused and thier lives ruined, how dare you deny this, just because you cannot accept that this demented monster is totally corrupted beyond salvation

and how dare you clame he is guilty, theres been no proof to sugest he EVER abused ANYONE, MJ IMO is just a very misunderstood person and so what if he wants plastic surgery or wants to live in neverland who are we to judge?

lostworld

08-03-2009, 05:31 PM

don't be ridiculous. LOOK AT HIM. the man is INSANE, he has done everything in his power to transform his body to look like a white diana ross. even without the many , many stories of child abuse that surround this sick fiend, just what he has done to his own body demonstrates that he is not right in the head and should not be allowed near children.

Have I said he's "normal"?
But just because he's different doesn't mean that he's guilty of pedophilia. :rolleyes:
Get a grip!

ALSO, I said that IF he's guilty, then it's due to the mind control, cause an alter can be programmed to such things. But you totally ignored that, didn't you? Too advanced for your shallow thinking?

Or maybe we should extinct all that's "different" - is that what you want?
A lot of not so great world leaders have had exactly that same kind of stupid thinking as yourself... If you wanna join that low life club go ahead... :rolleyes:

Yeah, we should all get in line and act after your narrow minded rules of how everyone should be... :p

If he's "insane" as you so delicately put it - what do you think made him that way? Can you think a bit longer and question??
I'll save you the problem of using you're brain since you clearly not want to - MIND CONTROL!

how dare you claim he is innocent . he ABUSED LITTLE BOYS, and then paid thier families MILLIONS to shut up. CHILDREN were abused and thier lives ruined, how dare you deny this, just because you cannot accept that this demented monster is totally corrupted beyond salvation
you are a defender of peadophiles and thus a danger to children.

How stupid can you be... ? :mad:
Oh yes, I'm ALL about defending pedophiles... :rolleyes:

How dare YOU to judge somebody else and come with all those serious accusations? :mad:

You have no clue whatsoever, go back to sleep little sheep...
Or back to the Middle Ages when they executed people in public just to satisfy the brainless, bloodlusting crowd. That's were you belong...

And not all children are innocent. Maybe that's news to you too?
Those families behind the accusations might very well just have been after his money! I think he did wrong to pay them off, greedy little fuckers...:mad:

Why did they let themselves be paid off? If I had been abused I would've fight that person til the end...money would NOT have been of any interest then.

you ARE stupid
Very intelligent...
Sorry, you sheeple are stupid. And so fooled by the media that I can't even be sorry for you...

he IS a freak, and a dangerous pervert. he should be neutralised

Yep, everything's is just the way as it seems/how the media chose to portrays it... What a simple world we live in... :rolleyes:
This is beyond stupid...!

Neutralised? It's because of people like you that we have the history that we have... why humans are the worst thing that's ever happened to this planet.
Shame on you! :mad:

so it should be, he IS a 'modern' witch

I think you are the witch. All though not a modern one... :rolleyes:
Go back to the Middle Ages where you belong, burn some "freaks" and be "happy"...

lostworld

08-03-2009, 05:36 PM

The cases of certain children were completely flimsy and it was obvious that money hungry parents were behind it. MJ had no problem dropping them some money just to quench their thirst for blood. It was a gesture like 'Fine, you want my money: take it and leave me alone.' MJ was not ordered to give anyone money - he was never found guilty. Think about that.

MJ has never been proven as a pedophile. Not once. You, like most people, are completely brainwashed by all the jazzy news reports and 'special episodes of barbara walters' etc.

and how dare you clame he is guilty, theres been no proof to sugest he EVER abused ANYONE, MJ IMO is just a very misunderstood person and so what if he wants plastic surgery or wants to live in neverland who are we to judge?

Metacomet & Joe,
thanks for your great posts :)

And thanks for being sane... :rolleyes:

hellosatellites

08-03-2009, 05:46 PM

:confused: That is not him.

I've known MJ since I was a little kid. Really stopped caring/listening to him after he got the 'God complex'...

I think the 'God' complex was part of an act bestowed upon him.

Whoever this SHUCKSTER is he is trying to pull of the 'shy mega star' and is failing hardddd...

I am down to concede that the real MJ is dead and they have been rolling out clones of him for the last decade or so.

My thoughts and feelings exactly. I don't know if MJ is dead or not - wouldn't like to speculate - but NO WAY that super glossy imposer is MJ...actually i think it is a female or shemale double. A BAD one (no pun intended)

grachtengordel

08-03-2009, 10:55 PM

You, like most people, are completely brainwashed by all the jazzy news reports and 'special episodes of barbara walters' etc.

never seen any of that. it's obvious he did it

1. he was abused as achild so probably will go on to be an abuser himself

2. the 'neverland' ranch, to lure the children in

3. he looks 'the type'

4. the disney connection

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kduh-dBsHEw&feature=PlayList&p=44CF6A72E1DDE294&index=0&playnext=1

what do you think made him that way? Can you think a bit longer and question??
I'll save you the problem of using you're brain since you clearly not want to - MIND CONTROL!

sure, he was abused but defending his behaviour validates it and excuses such sickness, other peados will be emboldened by this

debs67gb

08-03-2009, 11:06 PM

hellosatellites

08-03-2009, 11:10 PM

Hi GG, it's true that some people who have been sexually abused as children grow up to become sexual abusers themselves, but most of them just grow up and become sexually dysfunctional to variing degrees - especially impotent/frigid. And going by MJs body language, skinny/anaemic look etc i'd say he show more signs of the out-of-touch with the body associated with impotence.

I agree he is a very bizarre person, and it is incredible that any parent would allow their children to be alone with him. If i had kids i wouldn't let them near MJ - not because i think he is a pedophile - but just because he is so very very weird. And scary-looking. The parents that took MJ to court must be as sick as MJ one way or another - they certainly seemed to have exploited their own children for financial gain :( aswell as possibly putting them at risk of serious trauma from being alone with a truly freaky person. i mean, i would probably be scared and freaked out and more than a little nauseous if i had to spend a night at a remote ranch with MJ and all his weird toys etc. How anyone could subject a kid to that is totally beyond me!

ps. sorry debs67, i only saw your post after i posted mine.

debs67gb

08-03-2009, 11:11 PM

lostworld

08-03-2009, 11:13 PM

[QUOTE=grachtengordel;852364]never seen any of that. it's obvious he did it

1. he was abused as achild so probably will go on to be an abuser himself

that has got to be the biggest load of crap i have seen in years - I was abused I wouldnt DREAM of treating my children the same way ffs you kind of people make me sick

Debs, I'm so sorry that you had to go through that. Hope you're ok now...

This argument is a good one too :rolleyes:
he looks 'the type'
:D

debs67gb

08-03-2009, 11:15 PM

no man or woman "looks" the type god when will you all learn? michael jackson yeah hes weird yeah he was accused he prob was guilty but his money bailed him out of it - dont like his music anyway just amazed at the lack of understanding of abuse victims are like :)

hellosatellites

08-03-2009, 11:22 PM

- [QUOTE=hellosatellites;852402]Hi GG, it's true that some people who have been sexually abused as children grow up to become sexual abusers themselves, but most of them just grow up and become sexually dysfunctional to variing degrees

what the fck is wrong with you people ??? MOST of us grow up to have normal sex lives have children and not abuse them GRRR

Debs67, i'm pleased for you that you have healed and live a good normal life now.

But you are mistaken if you think that most victims of child sexual abuse grow up and have normal sex lives and normal positive relationships. Most people never heal, unfortunately, from that sort of trauma. For the simple fact that most abused people do not talk about it, and consequently do not get the kind of support that could help them heal.

Best wishes.

grachtengordel

09-03-2009, 03:55 PM

never seen any of that. it's obvious he did it

1. he was abused as achild so probably will go on to be an abuser himself

that has got to be the biggest load of crap i have seen in years - I was abused I wouldnt DREAM of treating my children the same way ffs you kind of people make me sick

sorry to cause upset, i know this is an emotive subject. i am just going on my presumptions based on not very much knowledge of the subject, so perhaps could be more accurate in my suppositions. thanks for responding, the more people i hear of that have overcome such experiences, the better a perspective and understanding i will get on the matter. on reflection , that probably was an unfounded comment i made.

opinion on jackson is unchanged

most abused people do not talk about it,

thats why i maybe have as distorted view of the 'stats'. perhaps many victims do not ever talk of it, so when abusers say they were fiddled with, perhaps as an excuse for thier behaviour, that gets reported but the victims who would not go on to 'offend' remain invisible?

grachtengordel

09-03-2009, 04:02 PM

Debs, I'm so sorry that you had to go through that. Hope you're ok now...

This argument is a good one too

don't you dare try to enlist another forum member into your campaign to misrepresent my words. that is so very low, trying to exploit someones experiences to score a point against my post.

"Hope you're ok now..." "how about reacting to these words i ripped from grachtengordal's post for me?, it would really help my cause"

despicable

hellosatellites

09-03-2009, 04:03 PM

sorry to cause upset, i know this is an emotive subject. i am just going on my presumptions based on not very much knowledge of the subject, so perhaps could be more accurate in my suppositions. thanks for responding, the more people i hear of that have overcome such experiences, the better a perspective and understanding i will get on the matter. on reflection , that probably was an unfounded comment i made.

opinion on jackson is unchanged

thats why i maybe have as distorted view of the 'stats'. perhaps many victims do not ever talk of it, so when abusers say they were fiddled with, perhaps as an excuse for thier behaviour, that gets reported but the victims who would not go on to 'offend' remain invisible?

Hey - yes pedophiles are a cunning bunch and very well organised, they know just what to say - like, claiming they were abused themselves as a child - they are experts at playing the victim card, and thus are offered therapy rather than punishment for their sexual crimes. That sort of thing helps perpetuate the myths surrounding this unfortunate phenomenon.

kiwimaj

09-03-2009, 06:22 PM

Size of light,
Michael didn't do this to himself - he's obviously a victim of severe mind control :( It's really sad and tragic.
All media has been doing the last 15 years is to bully and ridicule him to deconstruct the megastar MJ. The classic rise and fall taken to the extreme... I'm appalled that everyone falls for it and join in on the "freak-bullying".

This is exactly the reaction they want from people! The simple, not thinking deeper-reaction... You're all programmed when you "think" like this I'm sorry to say.

Look behind the media's presentation...! :rolleyes:
There is a reason for the ridicule and the bullying.
MJ started to break out of his programming and fight back and "they" hated him for it.
This comeback is probably him being reprogrammed and them milking their cow for the last time... Just awful. :(

And - Paul is dead :(
It's true. It's obvious AND it's very very sad...

:)

Hi Lostworld

I so totally agree with you. I too have played into the "freak" thing, but your words seem logical and sensible. Anyone who really gets to the top in the entertainment business is under some sort of mind control, that's for sure.

I stand corrected in falling for the same old rubbish the media hype him about, I should have seen beyond that, thanx for opening my eyes on this person. I still do not like the guy though, and if he really is a pedo, then shame on him and the people around him for being protected for so long and not being sent away for a very long time.

Thanx again Lost.

:)

kiwimaj

09-03-2009, 06:33 PM

Again - programming. This is what "they" want you to think of him... :rolleyes:
You're not seeing behind it all...

There is a reason for his deconstruction. There is a reason for the pedophila accusations. They want you to think of him as this "freak" and you all fall for it like little sheep... :(
I'm shocked that it was so easy for them to turn people against him. But everything is always as it seems, right? :rolleyes:
The problem with the world today is how people don't question what's presented to them... It's really scary.
They really must think we're stupid... :rolleyes:

MJ may be naive etc but I hate the bullying that's been going on for so long. It's totally absurd and SO low... It's like a modern witch hunt...

He's not a pedophile. His soul is innocent and kind. Anyone who don't see that must be blind. :(
However - since he's a victim of mindcontrol - A VICTIM - they can have done to him whatever they wanted to...
They can very well have programmed an alter that's abusive.
And when he himself then claims he's innocent he truly believes that, cause the alters don't know eachother...

This requires some extra thinking (it's not hard :D) but it makes sense... Everyone can see that he's messed up and this IS because of mind control!
And he's not the only one in his family either; just think of La Toya, Janet etc... :rolleyes:

When people talk about "freak" and being so hateful I can't help but thinking of an angry crowd from the Middle Ages, wanting to see blood.
This is just the same thing... :rolleyes:

Good response Lost, very well said. Again, got me thinking about stuff and you are so incredibly right on this one..especially this sentence...

They want you to think of him as this "freak" and you all fall for it like little sheep

1971

09-03-2009, 08:50 PM

Saw this the other day........
check out his neck at 2.36ish
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KW7Rn8acVc

steevo

09-03-2009, 08:55 PM

Saw this the other day........
check out his neck at 2.36ish
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KW7Rn8acVc

lol :D

I think it was animation or computer effects.

joe911

09-03-2009, 09:45 PM

Saw this the other day........
check out his neck at 2.36ish
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KW7Rn8acVc

cant wait,,its going to be one amazing concert!!
tickets go on sale this friday at 7am for those interested :cool:

lostworld

10-03-2009, 12:17 AM

don't you dare try to enlist another forum member into your campaign to misrepresent my words. that is so very low, trying to exploit someones experiences to score a point against my post.

"Hope you're ok now..." "how about reacting to these words i ripped from grachtengordal's post for me?, it would really help my cause"

despicable

This is what you said:
1. he was abused as achild so probably will go on to be an abuser himself

debs67gb response:
that has got to be the biggest load of crap i have seen in years - I was abused I wouldnt DREAM of treating my children the same way ffs you kind of people make me sick

Now, Debs when posting was obviosly upset by your low and simple argument (arguments). Since she pointed out what crap it was I just highlighted another one of your "classics" : "he looks the type" Now what kind of argument is that!? :eek: :mad:
It's really the lowest of low. You base your simple and sad arguing on your own fear, prejudice, hate and judgements.

We all better "look the type" then according to your sick standards to avoid getting "neutralized" as you also have pointed out as a great solution for people who are different...! :mad:

"Neutralize all those different freaks" - that 's what your arguing is all about.
Now THAT is really "despicable"! :mad:

And THEN you start to hypocrite too: :rolleyes:

sorry to cause upset, i know this is an emotive subject. i am just going on my presumptions based on not very much knowledge of the subject, so perhaps could be more accurate in my suppositions. thanks for responding, the more people i hear of that have overcome such experiences, the better a perspective and understanding i will get on the matter. on reflection , that probably was an unfounded comment i made.
opinion on jackson is unchanged

A real life victim reacts to you and gets upset.
All of a sudden you're "sorry" and all that...
Too bad MJ isn't here to defend himself - would you be "sorry" then too? :rolleyes:
It's like you don't get that it's real people you're throwing these accusations at! THINK a bit longer...

Why is the victim "Debs" different to you than the victim MJ? Because she was here to contradict you and defend herself? :rolleyes:

Then finally you say:
i am just going on my presumptions based on not very much knowledge of the subject, so perhaps could be more accurate in my suppositions.

that probably was an unfounded comment i made.

EXACTLY! :D
"Presumptions based on not very much knowledge" - that is the very theme of all of your posts :rolleyes:

Please - if you're just a bit smart somewhere - LEARN SOMETHING FROM THIS. Don't judge and hate on people like that.
Open your eyes and think beyond what's presented to you... :rolleyes:

armoured_amazon

10-03-2009, 12:18 AM

Just noticed, before I put Medium on, Jacko has sent his well wishes to Jade Goody and expressed a desire to visit her. She must be in her applecart!

grachtengordel

10-03-2009, 12:38 AM

your low and simple argument (arguments).

it's not an "argument", it is a 'statement'

english is not your first language is it?

your "classics"

you should use 'inverted commars' when emphasising a word like that, not 'speechmarks' like these " " , which should be used when QUOTING something that has already been said, wrote or uttered. the word 'classics' has not been said except by you in the post quoted above, thus 'quotation' marks are not applicable in this context. it would however, be fine for me to use them here 'quoting' what you have typed, but i could equally use 'inverted commars' as i have done so. sorry , what was your question?

Since she pointed out what crap it was I just highlighted another one of your "classics"

yes, you deduced that the other 'poster' was upset by my poor choice of words and needlessly "HIGHLIGHTED" another statement (that she obviously already read before she responded to my post) in order to elicit an emotional reaction that you could utilise to continue your personal attack on me

in other words, you recognised that she was upset and attempted to prompt her to feel further upset at my words and register that distress here , all to serve your pernicious agenda

trying to exploit and harness the emotional energy of others to fuel your petty point scoring is disgraceful

lostworld

10-03-2009, 12:41 AM

Hi Lostworld

I so totally agree with you. I too have played into the "freak" thing, but your words seem logical and sensible. Anyone who really gets to the top in the entertainment business is under some sort of mind control, that's for sure.
I stand corrected in falling for the same old rubbish the media hype him about, I should have seen beyond that, thanx for opening my eyes on this person. I still do not like the guy though, and if he really is a pedo, then shame on him and the people around him for being protected for so long and not being sent away for a very long time.

Thanx again Lost.

Thank YOU :)

I just want people to THINK and QUESTION what they see and hear.
Who say's this and why? In who's interest is this etc?
Then if I get somebody to join me in my opinions it's just a bonus and I'm just glad... :)

Good response Lost, very well said. Again, got me thinking about stuff and you are so incredibly right on this one..especially this sentence...

They want you to think of him as this "freak" and you all fall for it like little sheep

Thanks again Kiwimaj :)
Yes, that pretty much sums it up I think. :)

grachtengordel

10-03-2009, 01:07 AM

Then finally you say

I was not addressing you and you know that. If you are going to respond , do it to the comments that I have addressed to you.

I wont quote every line where you do it above but please stop trying to exploit the experiences of another forum member to score points. just stop it. nobody gave you permission to hold up the experiences of a 'poster' here and demand that I comment on the validity of their story. how dare you use her as an example in this debate?, only that 'forum member' has the authority to do that.

despicable

lostworld

10-03-2009, 04:58 AM

I was not addressing you and you know that. If you are going to respond , do it to the comments that I have addressed to you.

I wont quote every line where you do it above but please stop trying to exploit the experiences of another forum member to score points. just stop it. nobody gave you permission to hold up the experiences of a 'poster' here and demand that I comment on the validity of their story. how dare you use her as an example in this debate?, only that 'forum member' has the authority to do that.

despicable

And there you go judging again...

I'm not using anybody! That poster got upset by YOUR statements/arguments/facts or whatever you wanna call it...

Can I have a dialogue with another poster without asking you about it first, or? :rolleyes:

Don't disguise yourself as a humanist who cares for others when you CLEARLY do not. It just shows what a fake person you are! :mad:

If anyone is using anyone here it's you, trying to get away from your own sick arguments by now being "sorry" for that poster...
You're not sorry at all! If anything, you're just sorry that you got caught, that somebody with real life experience questioned your narrow beliefs!

Since she was upset by YOUR bizarre "statements", then no wonder that I wanted to highlight yet another stupid "statement" from you...
And in your crazy world I'M THEN WORSE than you - the orginal author of those very same words???
Yeah, that's funny actually...

And now you're going into grammar instead of answering the real questions and comments. Don't you have any good answers?

Ok, let's focus on the real issues here again, since you now chose to ignore that:

1. Your bizarre arguing and awful solutions of how to get rid of different people.

This is truly awful and low and something you have in common with certain evil world leaders of the past!

You base your simple and sad arguing on your own fear, prejudice, hate and judgements...

We all better "look the type" then according to your sick standards to avoid getting "neutralized" as you also have pointed out as a great solution for people who are different...! :mad:

Now THAT is really despicable! :mad:
Again - shame on you!

2. You being a hypocrite:

A real life victim reacts to you and gets upset.
All of a sudden you're "sorry" and all that...
Too bad MJ isn't here to defend himself - would you be "sorry" then too? :rolleyes:

Why is the victim "Debs" different to you than the victim MJ? Because she was here to contradict you and defend herself?

Immediatly when you were confronted by a real victim you backed down on your arguments and wasn't so tough anymore... :rolleyes:

3. Your own words that pretty much sums up all your insane posts here:
i am just going on my presumptions based on not very much knowledge of the subject, so perhaps could be more accurate in my suppositions.

Again - EXACTLY! :D
"Presumptions based on not very much knowledge" - that is the very theme of all of your posts :rolleyes:

You're all about hate & judging AND you can not accept people that are different from you! That is really disturbing and something anyone in their right mind should react to!

People like you are relics from an uncivilized world.

Now, this is getting a bit tiring.
People like you will never change, listen or admit that they are wrong... Unfortunately.

Maybe that other poster made you realize that you should THINK before you TALK/POST? Not that you would admit it though, you'd rather continue arguing with me...

Again - he looks the type
Just brilliant... :D

Tell me, what other different people do you want to "neutralize"?
Gays? People from other cultures than yours? Everybody else that "looks the type"?
Tell me - I'm all ears...

Now YOU are the one that's really dangerous here.
With opinions that are really disturbing and a threat to democracy.
It's really appalling!

Let's burn him!
Possible friends of Grachtengordel from the Middle Ages...
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/5651/montypythonwitch.jpg

socrates

10-03-2009, 01:18 PM

Nothing like friendly debate, is there? :)

accuracy

11-03-2009, 09:26 AM

I never was a Jackson fan ( i have not read this thread and don't care to).

Just expressing my views.

synergy777

13-03-2009, 05:09 PM

hellosatellites

13-03-2009, 05:46 PM

synergy 777, you are coming from the perspective of what a normal adult man do, but you have to take into account that MJ didn't have a normal childhood, he was abused as a child, beaten severely, forced to always perform and work etc...so in many ways his childhood and innocense was taken from him. I think all the toys, fairytale lifestyle, Neverland etc, has been his way of trying to recapture the lost land of childhood. A man ( a young man anyway :)) would think: Wow, with all this money i can have tonnes of models, a hot car, my own business etc! A child/someone stuck in childhood would think: Wow, with all this money i can have tonnes of toys, and my own themepark, and vanilla icecream for dinner every day. A peter pan world for a lost child :(

synergy777

13-03-2009, 05:57 PM

hellosatellites

13-03-2009, 06:14 PM

true, but i am a cynic, unfortunately, lol.

oh well lol i'm sure you make up for it in other ways :)

truthseeker1980

13-03-2009, 06:22 PM

the thing with jacko is that he is elite, and to be frank i think he might be guilty.

his songs are ok, but he is no 2pac.

2pac is much better.

i mean jackson had it all, the fame, the money, why would he do all this neverland stuff, its not right. if i was him i would have done a hugh hefner, a big house with hot models, a huge fleets of cars, my own record label, clothes label etc.

i don't understand how a man who could have had loads of women, didn't take the opportunity to indulge with the finest chicks, but opted for a neverland theme park rubbish.

i mean he had two choices, he could have loads of women, or if he was gay, he could have did an elton john etc.

Exactly, i was going to start a thread about this at the start of the week. What amazes me is how the brainwashed public cant see through the programming used to make them want to go and see him.

Back in 2003 he tried a come back, but the peado stuff was still fresh in the sheeples minds then, so it flopped, i remember people saying, "Wacko Jacko that peado who would want to buy one of his songs!"

So the elite leave it 6 years and now all the sheeple are going mad over him, the same people who 6 years ago couldn't stand him.

In my eyes this absolute proof of mind control of the population.

joe911

13-03-2009, 09:47 PM

Back in 2003 he tried a come back, but the peado stuff was still fresh in the sheeples minds then, so it flopped, i remember people saying, "Wacko Jacko that peado who would want to buy one of his songs!"

So the elite leave it 6 years and now all the sheeple are going mad over him, the same people who 6 years ago couldn't stand him.

In my eyes this absolute proof of mind control of the population.

I dont see how you can use the term sheeple in this case,unless you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt he is a pedofile,an accusation like that does ruin careers you use the term sheeple but wouldnt this term also apply to those who beleive what the news put out about michael jackson?
IMO hes just a very misunderstood person,and like hellosatelites said:
but you have to take into account that MJ didn't have a normal childhood, he was abused as a child, beaten severely, forced to always perform and work etc...so in many ways his childhood and innocense was taken from him. I think all the toys, fairytale lifestyle, Neverland etc, has been his way of trying to recapture the lost land of childhood. A man ( a young man anyway ) would think: Wow, with all this money i can have tonnes of models, a hot car, my own business etc! A child/someone stuck in childhood would think: Wow, with all this money i can have tonnes of toys, and my own themepark, and vanilla icecream for dinner every day. A peter pan world for a lost child

kiwimaj

13-03-2009, 10:52 PM

Exactly, i was going to start a thread about this at the start of the week. What amazes me is how the brainwashed public cant see through the programming used to make them want to go and see him.

Back in 2003 he tried a come back, but the peado stuff was still fresh in the sheeples minds then, so it flopped, i remember people saying, "Wacko Jacko that peado who would want to buy one of his songs!"

So the elite leave it 6 years and now all the sheeple are going mad over him, the same people who 6 years ago couldn't stand him.

In my eyes this absolute proof of mind control of the population.

EXACTLY !! I even remember that he couldn't even GIVE AWAY his new album, hardly anyone wanted anything to do with him.

This concert though, there is something I believe far more incideous going on here...you will be having, en-mass, human beings giving away their energy to the PTB, via the conduit (MJ). This is the sort of stuff (energy) that they want to harness...this stuff is priceless to them, they feed off human energy, extremes of human energy, good or bad... MJ is simply a puppet for their nasty, crafty little agenda. Also, whilst everyone is looking one way (towards MJ, on stage, concentrating solely on their..."god"..) what is happening somewhere else?? The fact also this is happening in LONDON, is extremely symbolic...(those that are in the know will understand what I just said..).Oh, and I suppose not many took notice of all the hand signs and stuff he was waving about at the press conference then?? In other words he was "saying.."...this is evil....

a collection of his "hand signs.."

http://cm1.theinsider.com/media/0/81/20/michael_jackson_young.0.0.0x0.400x366.jpeghttp://www.renodiscontent.com/wp-content/michaeljackson_01.jpg

http://fancyfreedom.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/michael_jackson1.jpghttp://cm1.theinsider.com/media/0/34/65/MichaelJackson19Sep2007PR.0.0.0x0.318x480.jpeg

..and the cover of this album, symbolism all round...

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/3552/b000002bvn01sclzzzzzzzfj8.jpg

and what is a white guy doing on the front of a black magazine??

(amazing what photo touching up can do to make someone andoginus..)

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/lostinshowbiz/ebony.jpghttp://i8.tinypic.com/8a0ip0y.jpg

So go on, pay your money, help further the evil agenda that is being played out before our very eyes, in plain sight, via a series of high profile concerts..creatures in certain places will have had this planned for a very long time..what's the best way to get people to do something you want them to do..make it so they will so desperately want it themselves..

:mad:

steevo

13-03-2009, 10:58 PM

I wouldnt mind going to the MJ concert. Not sure if he is a paedofile or not but i certainly wont be relying on hearsay that the PTB pushed to us via the mainstream media. Another problem is, we dont know if it is the real Michael Jackson cos he looked like a bad "look a like" in the promotional event.

joe911

13-03-2009, 11:49 PM

Michael jackson is second to NONE, hes just sold out 50 concerts in 1 day

MJ YOU ARE AMAZING

hellosatellites

14-03-2009, 12:23 PM

Michael jackson is second to NONE, hes just sold out 50 concerts in 1 day

MJ YOU ARE AMAZING

Agree Joe :) My fave MJ album is Off The Wall, and i consider that a masterpiece on par with anything by Beethoven, Mozart and J.S. Bach

Don't think i could go to a concert with him, though - it's just too sad for words to see has happened to him. And the pics just posted by kiwimaj really spell it out: What happened on the timeline between him as that little boy with the shy smile and already sad eyes (on the top) left to the freakish pale doll-like creature on the right and below? Just sad :(

joe911

14-03-2009, 04:43 PM

Don't think i could go to a concert with him, though - it's just too sad for words to see has happened to him. And the pics just posted by kiwimaj really spell it out: What happened on the timeline between him as that little boy with the shy smile and already sad eyes (on the top) left to the freakish pale doll-like creature on the right and below? Just sad :(

But the thing is people become to paranoid with symbolism and when they watch a film it drives them mad if they see a sun they think "oh look sun worship" or if they see a black and white floor "oh look masonry" it doesnt occour to them that the illuminati have better things to do then put things in films to keep paranoid people entertained,sometimes a cup of tea is just a cup of tea.
we cant deny his music is amazing,i remember the first time i saw a video of him live i was in tears he is so amazing,and we cant judge him by what he looks like because thats just the body hes living this reality in and if he wants to modify it thats his choice.

orbit

14-03-2009, 05:53 PM

This is not the real Michael Jackson. It's just an intuition thing..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQZgU8xj-jM

void

14-03-2009, 05:55 PM

Looks like the Obama campaign, to me. ;)

After all, "it don't matter if you're black or white" :p

rhydra

14-03-2009, 05:56 PM

This is not the real Michael Jackson. It's just an intuition thing..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQZgU8xj-jM

Has there ever been a real MJ? He's changed himself so many times is there any such thing as an original Michael Jackson? :confused:

unusual_suspect

14-03-2009, 05:59 PM

This is not the real Michael Jackson. It's just an intuition thing..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQZgU8xj-jM

The thing is, Jacko would be an easy one to impersonate. Hell, he looks different every time I see him, and doesn't even look like himself any more anyway. Plus he is wearing dark glasses so you might be right.

joe911

14-03-2009, 06:01 PM

This is not the real Michael Jackson. It's just an intuition thing..

and your point is...??

pri01

14-03-2009, 06:04 PM

I don't think it is him either. How easilly the masses are fooled.

rossus

14-03-2009, 06:06 PM

it's a Michael Jackson conspiracy!

http://www.clipartof.com/images/emoticons/xsmall2/1947_eating_popcorn_and_drinking_beer.gif

rixxmixxhell

14-03-2009, 06:07 PM

That is definitely NOT Jackson..look too young too..and the voice.

I agree with O.P. Intuition tells me.

unusual_suspect

14-03-2009, 06:09 PM

That is definitely NOT Jackson..look too young too..and the voice.

I agree with O.P. Intuition tells me.

I have no idea what he should look like these days, but that could be well be a double.

orbit

14-03-2009, 06:36 PM

Has there ever been a real MJ? He's changed himself so many times is there any such thing as an original Michael Jackson? :confused:

lol.. this reminds me of a story about an old "Broomstick"

A road sweeper proudly stated that he had used the same broomstick for 20 years... even though it had 25 new heads and 15 broom handles he still thought it was the same broomstick :)

orbit

14-03-2009, 06:45 PM

The thing is, Jacko would be an easy one to impersonate. Hell, he looks different every time I see him, and doesn't even look like himself any more anyway. Plus he is wearing dark glasses so you might be right.

I just recently spoke with Lane Lassiter(MJ impersonater) about the information below,

Did Michael Jackson, a master of disguises, recruit a double as a diversion during last week's media invasion?

Lane Lassiter, a longtime local Jackson impersonator, has a hunch that's what Jackson's handlers had in mind when they met with him recently.

Lassiter met backstage with Jackson's representatives about two weeks ago. He was asked if he would be available for an unspecified job.

"They came upstairs after the show and said they liked the picture I sent them," said Lassiter. He found it unusual that they didn't attend the show.

"They didn't tell me any more than I needed to know," said Lassiter, a 12-year veteran of the Riviera's "An Evening at La Cage."

A Jackson impersonator since 1979, Lassiter, a 43-year-old father of two, claims he was the lone Jackson act who wasn't axed in Las Vegas 10 years ago when Jackson was in the middle of another child molestation scandal.

The existence of a double has been suspected since TV coverage captured His Weirdness up to something at the Henderson Executive Airport on the day of his return from Santa Barbara. With blankets held up to block the view, Jackson was seen getting in and out of a vehicle and going back into the plane. Seconds later someone who appeared to be Jackson came out the plane door and got back into the car.

Suspicious minds believe that a double came out of the plane and was in the car that went on the circuitous three-hour route to Green Valley Ranch. That bit of chicanery would have allowed the real Jackson to be spirited off to another location.

source: http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2003/Nov-28-Fri-2003/news/22685845.html

Lane confirmed this story but hasn't replied to any more correspondents after this:

Yes I am Lane. you also went to my main page(lanelassiter) .. this page is spelled ( lannelssiter) with 2 n..s, in my name lane.
i see you must have saved one of the articles written about me.Even though the article seems to be chopped up.
You still haven't said who you are or if we have met..

orbit

14-03-2009, 06:53 PM

A double would be handy if MJ was to face more child abuse charges..
don't be fooled like the delusional mob..

hellosatellites

14-03-2009, 08:47 PM

hellosatellites

14-03-2009, 08:52 PM

But the thing is people become to paranoid with symbolism and when they watch a film it drives them mad if they see a sun they think "oh look sun worship" or if they see a black and white floor "oh look masonry" it doesnt occour to them that the illuminati have better things to do then put things in films to keep paranoid people entertained,sometimes a cup of tea is just a cup of tea.
we cant deny his music is amazing,i remember the first time i saw a video of him live i was in tears he is so amazing,and we cant judge him by what he looks like because thats just the body hes living this reality in and if he wants to modify it thats his choice.

You're obviously a true fan :)

i too think he is an amazing artist, and idon't question his right to look the way he does, or modify his appearance. When i say it is sad to see what he has become i mean his vibe, the whole 'stuck in childhood' thing...he just seems sad and a long long way from what you'd wish for that gentle boy in the first pic.
maibe it's 'just me' but when i see MJ i see a pained human being, a shell. Sorry :(

joe911

14-03-2009, 09:01 PM

You're obviously a true fan :)

i too think he is an amazing artist, and idon't question his right to look the way he does, or modify his appearance. When i say it is sad to see what he has become i mean his vibe, the whole 'stuck in childhood' thing...he just seems sad and a long long way from what you'd wish for that gentle boy in the first pic.
maibe it's 'just me' but when i see MJ i see a pained human being, a shell. Sorry :(

yea i am,loved michael jackson for years (i was conceived at one of his concerts so maybe theres a link lol)

i understand what you are saying,but wouldnt you agree that his peter pan lifestyle is a result of never having a childhood? dont we all at times wish that we were kids again? im only 15 and ughh teenage years are no way as good as when i was like 6

hellosatellites

14-03-2009, 09:24 PM

yea i am,loved michael jackson for years (i was conceived at one of his concerts so maybe theres a link lol)

i understand what you are saying,but wouldnt you agree that his peter pan lifestyle is a result of never having a childhood? dont we all at times wish that we were kids again? im only 15 and ughh teenage years are no way as good as when i was like 6

You were conceived at a MJ concert!? Wow, your parents must really like MJ too lol ;)

i know what your saying about wishing for a paradise lost/innocense of childhood/ignorance is bliss and all that...suppose it depends what sort of upbringing you had. I agree with you, there must be a strong connection with MJ's peter pan lifestyle and him never having had a proper childhood.
Teenage years can be a hard time - i can just about remember :D
Life keeps getting better though, haven't you found that? Personally i wouldn't wish for any other age than the one i've got, 41.

Wonder if MJ will still look 24 when he is 60, 70, 80 etc...i mean, it's got to stop sometime, right. Right?

humito

14-03-2009, 09:33 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns37bxokxFQ :eek:

joe911

14-03-2009, 09:35 PM

You were conceived at a MJ concert!? Wow, your parents must really like MJ too lol ;)

Life keeps getting better though, haven't you found that? Personally i wouldn't wish for any other age than the one i've got, 41.

Wonder if MJ will still look 24 when he is 60, 70, 80 etc...i mean, it's got to stop sometime, right. Right?

lol they were big fans,they kinda lost faith over the years :/ ill always idolize him tho lool ;)

nah the only thing i like about getting older is that im listened too more

and no im sure michael loves the lifestlye too much and like like peter pan himself says:
"Im youth, Im joy,Im a little bird that has broken out of the egg."

orbit

15-03-2009, 12:49 AM

[QUOTE=orbit;864418]A double would be handy if MJ was to face more child abuse charges..
QUOTE]

Hi Orbit

How would a double be handy in such a situation specifically?

Btw, i totally agree that is not MJ.

regards

Because the double would pay for the crime and Wacko would move in with Elvis..

to be honest hellosatellites, I don't know the reason for the double, I just feel strongly that the person at the 02 conference was not Wacko..

What I don't understand is why nobody noticed....

Like someone suggested.. MJ seems designed to easily imitate....

hellosatellites

15-03-2009, 12:37 PM

lol they were big fans,they kinda lost faith over the years :/ ill always idolize him tho lool ;)

nah the only thing i like about getting older is that im listened too more

and no im sure michael loves the lifestlye too much and like like peter pan himself says:
"Im youth, Im joy,Im a little bird that has broken out of the egg."

I'm sure he loves it too, joe, but can you imagine an 80 year old peter Pan though, consisting of 95% botox :eek: I mean, we've all got to move on sooner or later, eh

Anyway, i just checked the morphing video humito posted, and MJ was really beautiful up to around 1980. Just checked some his old vid's too, amazing dancer, amazing presence and energy!

Hey there, Orbit - i too believe that is absolutely not MJ, and rather a double of sorts - just didn't think it (he?she?) would be used as a fall-guy as it were, more just a decoy in general type of thing. I sure hope there won't be any such charges against MJ in the future. I can't see why they would bother with doubles as fall-guys - it's not like we have any chance of knowing anyway. take the case of Maddox, ok so he is supposedly going to jail for 150 years, but it's not like any of us will ever have access to that jail and check out whether he is really there... He could be on a golden island somewhere in the carribean sipping piña coladas for the next 150 years for all we know...Rambling a bit here :rolleyes:

joe911

15-03-2009, 08:20 PM

I'm sure he loves it too, joe, but can you imagine an 80 year old peter Pan though, consisting of 95% botox :eek: I mean, we've all got to move on sooner or later, eh

maybe some just never will,,i beleive michael will always be like peter pan because he lost his childhood years so he cant find any closure, we can define the exact time our childhood ended but for michael he cant so he will carry on living the neverland lifestyle forever imo.

rixxmixxhell

15-03-2009, 08:33 PM

Until he's to old to move eh...no peter pan can evade that.

This thread is useless.

You can talk about this stuff on My Face or Space Book :D

hellosatellites

16-03-2009, 01:02 AM

Until he's to old to move eh...no peter pan can evade that.

This thread is useless.

You can talk about this stuff on My Face or Space Book :D

If you check the name of this part of the forum, amigo, you will see the words Fame/Entertainment Industry...:rolleyes: seems they were not sufficient to warn you off dipping your superiour toes in this useless thread hmmm. Wonder what you expected exactly from a MJ thread...;) Quantum physics? Heidegger treaties? :rolleyes:

hellosatellites

16-03-2009, 02:02 AM

maybe some just never will,,i beleive michael will always be like peter pan because he lost his childhood years so he cant find any closure, we can define the exact time our childhood ended but for michael he cant so he will carry on living the neverland lifestyle forever imo.

well, as long as he has the money to keep it going he may be able to carry on his lifestyle indefinitely (or as long as he lives anyway)...it will be interesting to see what comes of him being back in the spotlight.

rixxmixxhell

16-03-2009, 02:20 PM

If you check the name of this part of the forum, amigo, you will see the words Fame/Entertainment Industry...:rolleyes: seems they were not sufficient to warn you off dipping your superiour toes in this useless thread hmmm. Wonder what you expected exactly from a MJ thread...;) Quantum physics? Heidegger treaties? :rolleyes:

LOL

I didn't realize it was moved amigo...

:D

humito

16-03-2009, 02:38 PM

well, as long as he has the money to keep it going he may be able to carry on his lifestyle indefinitely (or as long as he lives anyway)...it will be interesting to see what comes of him being back in the spotlight.
well judging from past behaviour i think he will become " ill " again and probably only do half a concert or something............or its not micheal jackson at all but a controlled puppet money making brainwashing machine ! lol

hellosatellites

16-03-2009, 03:06 PM

well judging from past behaviour i think he will become " ill " again and probably only do half a concert or something............or its not micheal jackson at all but a controlled puppet money making brainwashing machine ! lol

Yeah, seems most posters (here) think it's not MJ at all :confused:

hellosatellites

16-03-2009, 03:07 PM

LOL

I didn't realize it was moved amigo...

:D

No problem, amigo :)

orbit

30-06-2009, 03:24 PM

Hi Orbit

How would a double be handy in such a situation specifically?

Btw, i totally agree that is not MJ.

regards

Maybe he was afraid of being assassinated?

joe911

30-06-2009, 04:02 PM

Maybe he was afraid of being assassinated?

Everyone at the press conference was searched,thorougly,apparently.

Maybe he was heavilly rehearsing for the shows and couldnt afford time out to spend at press conferences etc...so a double would be a handy alternative.

Im almost certiain it was a double,look at the 02 mj to the real mj 1 day before his death.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/music/Pix/pictures/2009/3/5/1236275861334/Michael-Jackson-announces-002.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/stadium.weblogsinc.com/tmz/images/2009/06/0629_mj_rehearsal_0003_Layer_1_full.jpghttp://www.blogsmithmedia.com/stadium.weblogsinc.com/tmz/images/2009/06/0629_mj_rehearsal_0000_Layer_4_full.jpg

orbit

01-07-2009, 11:06 AM

Everyone at the press conference was searched,thorougly,apparently.

Maybe he was heavilly rehearsing for the shows and couldnt afford time out to spend at press conferences etc...so a double would be a handy alternative.

Im almost certiain it was a double,look at the 02 mj to the real mj 1 day before his death.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/music/Pix/pictures/2009/3/5/1236275861334/Michael-Jackson-announces-002.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/stadium.weblogsinc.com/tmz/images/2009/06/0629_mj_rehearsal_0003_Layer_1_full.jpghttp://www.blogsmithmedia.com/stadium.weblogsinc.com/tmz/images/2009/06/0629_mj_rehearsal_0000_Layer_4_full.jpg

Yes I agree.. if you look at the O2 vid you can just tell that it's a younger man.. maybe with all whats happened the truth will come out..

joe911

02-07-2009, 02:58 AM

Yes I agree.. if you look at the O2 vid you can just tell that it's a younger man.. maybe with all whats happened the truth will come out..

we will be able to compare the rehersal footage to the O2 Mj soon,hopefully :)

mntruthseeker

02-07-2009, 03:09 AM

I wrote negative remarks about MJ and got myself in a little bit of trouble

Afterwards I felt bad because I am trying harder than ever to be nice each and every day.

I can't help the fact that the first thought that ran through my head was that another boy will not suffer.

People tend to forget this and just because he paid off somebody, we know what he did. He said in an interview that it was love to share your bed with another. He paid to get out of it.

Well he is gone and I will not cry nor will I buy his records.

He was a fantastic dancer and singer and I will leave it there.

my step brother was gay and I found it truly amazing that when he was with family his voice was very deep. Get him around his friends and it was like he was walking around in pain. His voice and body language changed.

Who knows if it was him or not.

joe911

02-07-2009, 03:25 PM

People tend to forget this and just because he paid off somebody, we know what he did. He said in an interview that it was love to share your bed with another. He paid to get out of it.

The boy he payed off now admits MJ never touched him.Also look at what they used the money for;

Today, Jordan Chandler is in his late twenties living in a $2.35 million home in Long Island under an assumed name. He and his family also own a high-rise apartment in Manhattan and a condominium in Santa Barbara.

Also this call may interest you:
Trackers Call (http://wecansee.co.cc/trackers call.wma)

As for the interview if you see the unedited version you see a completley different version of what was told,Its edited in the way it was to give this negative opinion of michael.

brainfreeze

02-07-2009, 03:37 PM

The boy he payed off now admits MJ never touched him.Also look at what they used the money for;

Also this call may interest you:
Trackers Call (http://wecansee.co.cc/trackers call.wma)

As for the interview if you see the unedited version you see a completley different version of what was told,Its edited in the way it was to give this negative opinion of michael.

Joe, not to be mean, but it's hearsay that the boy admits he lied. Where has the boy admitted as much?

joe911

02-07-2009, 03:51 PM

Joe, not to be mean, but it's hearsay that the boy admits he lied. Where has the boy admitted as much?

Its hearsay,your right. But the chandlers were clearly trying to extort MJ for money,as tracker says in the call,no parent wants money,they want justice. If someone had abused your kids,wouldnt you want thier abuser to rot in jail?

Chandler diddnt,he wanted money.
They tried to sue michael again in 1996
In 1996, Evan Chandler sued Jackson for around $60 million, claiming Jackson had breached an agreement never to discuss the case. In 1999, a court ruled in Jackson's favor and threw out the lawsuit

Its clear they were only in it for the money,if someone had touched my brother or sister i would want thier abuser locked up behind bars,no amount of money would justify someone abusing abother.

brainfreeze

02-07-2009, 03:53 PM

Its hearsay,your right. But the chandlers were clearly trying to extort MJ for money,as tracker says in the call,no parent wants money,they want justice. If someone had abused your kids,wouldnt you want thier abuser to rot in jail?

Chandler diddnt,he wanted money.
They tried to sue michael again in 1996

Its clear they were only in it for the money,if someone had touched my brother or sister i would want thier abuser locked up behind bars,no amount of money would justify someone abusing abother.

As a parent, no it's not ABOUT the money, though the money would go toward professional help the child will need to get over the abuse, plus legal costs. I have a case against my abuser coming up. I want to destroy him like he did me. If money was the only way I could do that I'd go for it, unfortunately the fucker is broke. To me that is logical, taking from him what is important to him especially as he stole something priceless from me. I'm sure that kids parents felt the same toward MJ. Unfortunately its so easy to paint them as money grabbing, yet the abuser is the saint. What a shame.

I didn't know the man, just like his fans don't know him, other than through his work and the media, and that is where the base of my opinions come from too.

orbit

02-07-2009, 04:39 PM

Jacko wrote about the song; "Beat it" in his book, he said he wrote it for children....

Some believe that the song "Beat it" refers to an homosexual masturbating game.. "Beat it" = masturbation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-htJfWXO7p4

full list;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kduh-dBsHEw&feature=PlayList&p=44CF6A72E1DDE294&index=0&playnext=1

joe911

02-07-2009, 05:55 PM

Some believe that the song "Beat it" refers to an homosexual masturbating game.. "Beat it" = masturbation.

WANKING IS NOT A HOMOSEXUAL THING!! EVERY GUY WANKS!!

Ill check out the vids when im back on my other computer.

brainfreeze

02-07-2009, 06:15 PM

WANKING IS NOT A HOMOSEXUAL THING!! EVERY GUY WANKS!!

Ill check out the vids when im back on my other computer.

Every guy wanks, sure. MJ said he wrote it for children? Folks on this forum don't want schools speaking to their kids about homos but it's ok for a celebrity to sing about wanking especially for the kids? What a cool dude?!

orbit

02-07-2009, 07:30 PM

WANKING IS NOT A HOMOSEXUAL THING!! EVERY GUY WANKS!!

Of course it isn't...

watch the videos, they will explain..

shankara

03-07-2009, 06:22 AM

It's not just about masturbation, but a homosexual circle jerk (well, according to the videos anyway). The same guy did a video analysis for Rhianna's 'Umbrella,' right?

demonlover

03-07-2009, 08:34 AM

orbit

03-07-2009, 03:37 PM

It's not just about masturbation, but a homosexual circle jerk (well, according to the videos anyway). The same guy did a video analysis for Rhianna's 'Umbrella,' right?

I'm not sure.. I just stumbled across his website yesterday :)

is it worth watching?

orbit

03-07-2009, 03:44 PM

I don't believe that song was about masturbation. It is what it is....... about gang violence, just listen to the lyrics. I hate when people twist shit to make it say something else. No conspiracy to "Beat It".

Did you watch the video?

This information is new to me also, I will not make a judgment on it until I find out more or at least see what the members here say about it...

armoured_amazon

03-07-2009, 03:48 PM

I'm not sure.. I just stumbled across his website yesterday :)

is it worth watching?

They're worth watching, but very repetitive. I guess, because some people watching are completely new to the subject, he drives it home a lot and repeats himself a LOT. But if you can bear it, the videos themselves are interesting.

orbit

03-07-2009, 04:02 PM

They're worth watching, but very repetitive. I guess, because some people watching are completely new to the subject, he drives it home a lot and repeats himself a LOT. But if you can bear it, the videos themselves are interesting.

I've had a quick look at some of his work and I find it very interesting, he expresses himself very well :)

I know what you mean about repeating himself...

"Who is Oro Oyogomunde?"
"Who is Oro Oyogomunde?"
"Who is Oro Oyogomunde?"

:)

armoured_amazon

03-07-2009, 04:12 PM

I've had a quick look at some of his work and I find it very interesting, he expresses himself very well :)

I know what you mean about repeating himself...

"Who is Oro Oyogomunde?"
"Who is Oro Oyogomunde?"
"Who is Oro Oyogomunde?"

:)

I laughed out loud, lololol :D

WHO is Oro Oyogomunde?
Who IS Oro Oyogomunde?
Who is ORO Oyogomunde?
Who is Oro OYOGOMUNDE?
WHO???????

orbit

04-07-2009, 11:26 AM

I laughed out loud, lololol :D

WHO is Oro Oyogomunde?
Who IS Oro Oyogomunde?
Who is ORO Oyogomunde?
Who is Oro OYOGOMUNDE?
WHO???????

HEHE :)

He knows exactly what he is doing I think he mentions something about repeated statements in one of his descriptions..

:)

cognizant

12-07-2009, 07:50 AM

Eyes peeled...whenever the bizarre Mr.Jackson (like some odd creation of Tim Burton on a bad trip) hits the headlines, it's a deliberate distraction from more sinister carryings on. Mark my words.

While the world was mourning MJ, the Pope came out with an encyclical basically calling for a New World Order & the US House passed Cap & Trade.

gaias child

12-07-2009, 08:10 AM

I absolutely love the performances of Michael Jackson in the past and was more than willing to get hold of some tickets for his UK dates. However, I am a little reluctant to based on what I saw in the press and on TV.

I am finding it really hard to decide if this figure presented to us is the genuine article. Michael was interviewed on UK TV some years ago and his voice when speaking was weak, and child like. The person in this press conference does not sound like him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOkmqlnxoH8

GMTV yesterday were talking about Michaels comeback and mentioned his health in terms of if he would be physically fit enough to complete 10 high energy concerts in the summer this year. In addition they invited a lookalike, dancealike person who has had facial surgery to make himself look like Michael. He was a very convincing dancer as well and you would find it difficult to tell them apart.

I'm not sure though and would welcome some comments.:)

I have no doubt it is him if you look at the eyes throughout the years you can see clearly same person same soul, also MJ singing and dancing is imitable no one can do the moonwalk like MJ. His face may have changed probably due to surgery he also had burns, but the rest of him didn't. His energy is very clear to me

His voice does change from being soft and childlike to deeper several times throughout since I can remember in the 80s when he began. Even in the concerts sometimes he spoke deeper than other times, I think it depended what mood he was in.

Yes he may have been brainwashed so are we all actually through schooling media, vaccines which shut down the thymus gland and electromagnetic waves to interfere with connecting information

steevo

16-07-2009, 07:36 PM

I absolutely love the performances of Michael Jackson in the past and was more than willing to get hold of some tickets for his UK dates. However, I am a little reluctant to based on what I saw in the press and on TV.

I am finding it really hard to decide if this figure presented to us is the genuine article. Michael was interviewed on UK TV some years ago and his voice when speaking was weak, and child like. The person in this press conference does not sound like him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOkmqlnxoH8

GMTV yesterday were talking about Michaels comeback and mentioned his health in terms of if he would be physically fit enough to complete 10 high energy concerts in the summer this year. In addition they invited a lookalike, dancealike person who has had facial surgery to make himself look like Michael. He was a very convincing dancer as well and you would find it difficult to tell them apart.

I'm not sure though and would welcome some comments.:)

I wonder why the YouTube member has removed that video ? :confused:

Anyway, I think that the "golden boy" of relality tv Dermot O'Leary should be questioned about his role in this promo video. O'Leary has played his part in the video, and the person in it claiming to be MJ is clearly an imposter. O'Leary MUST know something wasnt right in that video.

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00351/dermot_o_leary_351160a.jpg
O'Leary - Carrying a heavy burden ?