Are you tough enough to take the challenge?

[tru3]

Maybe this belongs in the rant room, but here goes.

i'm tired of the term "pear shaped".

just my impression, but many people around here seem to think the term "infinite love" is lovey litey, weak, or somehow to be snickered at.

check this out...

Simple Steps to Healing: I'm Sorry, I Love You
by Dr. Joe Vitale

Two years ago, I heard about a therapist in Hawaii who cured a complete ward of criminally insane patients – without ever seeing any of them. The psychologist would study an inmate's chart and then look within himself to see how he created that person's illness. As he improved himself, the patient improved.

When I first heard this story, I thought it was an urban legend. How could anyone heal anyone else by healing himself? How could even the best self-improvement master cure the criminally insane?

It didn't make any sense. It wasn't logical, so I dismissed the story.
However, I heard it again a year later. I heard that the therapist had used a Hawaiian healing process called ho 'oponopono. I had never heard of it, yet I couldn't let it leave my mind. If the story was at all true, I had to know more.
I had always understood "total responsibility" to mean that I am responsible for what I think and do. Beyond that, it's out of my hands. I think that most people think of total responsibility that way. We're responsible for what we do, not what anyone else does. The Hawaiian therapist who healed those mentally ill people would teach me an advanced new perspective about total responsibility.

His name is Dr. Ihaleakala Hew Len. We probably spent an hour talking on our first phone call. I asked him to tell me the complete story of his work as a therapist. He explained that he worked at Hawaii State Hospital for four years. That ward where they kept the criminally insane was dangerous. Psychologists quit on a monthly basis. The staff called in sick a lot or simply quit. People would walk through that ward with their backs against the wall, afraid of being attacked by patients. It was not a pleasant place to live, work, or visit.

Dr. Len told me that he never saw patients. He agreed to have an office and to review their files. While he looked at those files, he would work on himself. As he worked on himself, patients began to heal.

"After a few months, patients that had to be shackled were being allowed to walk freely," he told me. "Others who had to be heavily medicated were getting off their medications. And those who had no chance of ever being released were being freed."

I was in awe.

"Not only that," he went on, "but the staff began to enjoy coming to work. Absenteeism and turnover disappeared. We ended up with more staff than we needed because patients were being released, and all the staff was showing up to work. Today, that ward is closed."

This is where I had to ask the million dollar question: "What were you doing within yourself that caused those people to change?"

"I was simply healing the part of me that created them," he said.

I didn't understand.

Dr. Len explained that total responsibility for your life means that everything in your life – simply because it is in your life – is your responsibility. In a literal sense the entire world is your creation.

Whew. This is tough to swallow. Being responsible for what I say or do is one thing. Being responsible for what everyone in my life says or does is quite another. Yet, the truth is this: if you take complete responsibility for your life, then everything you see, hear, taste, touch, or in any way experience is your responsibility because it is in your life.


This means that terrorist activity, the president, the economy – anything you experience and don't like – is up for you to heal. They don't exist, in a manner of speaking, except as projections from inside you. The problem isn't with them, it's with you, and to change them, you have to change you.
I know this is tough to grasp, let alone accept or actually live. Blame is far easier than total responsibility, but as I spoke with Dr. Len, I began to realize that healing for him and in ho 'oponopono means loving yourself. If you want to improve your life, you have to heal your life. If you want to cure anyone – even a mentally ill criminal – you do it by healing you.

I asked Dr. Len how he went about healing himself. What was he doing, exactly, when he looked at those patients' files?

"I just kept saying, 'I'm sorry' and 'I love you' over and over again," he explained.

That's it?

That's it.

Turns out that loving yourself is the greatest way to improve yourself, and as you improve yourself, you improve your world. Let me give you a quick example of how this works: one day, someone sent me an email that upset me. In the past I would have handled it by working on my emotional hot buttons or by trying to reason with the person who sent the nasty message. This time, I decided to try Dr. Len's method. I kept silently saying, "I'm sorry" and "I love you," I didn't say it to anyone in particular. I was simply evoking the spirit of love to heal within me what was creating the outer circumstance.

Within an hour I got an e-mail from the same person. He apologized for his previous message. Keep in mind that I didn't take any outward action to get that apology. I didn't even write him back. Yet, by saying "I love you," I somehow healed within me what was creating him.

I later attended a ho 'oponopono workshop run by Dr. Len. He's now 70 years old, considered a grandfatherly man, and is somewhat reclusive. He praised my book, The Attractor Factor. He told me that as I improve myself, my book's vibration will raise, and everyone will feel it when they read it. In short, as I improve, my readers will improve.

"What about the books that are already sold and out there?" I asked.
"They aren't out there," he explained, once again blowing my mind with his mystic wisdom. "They are still in you."

In short, there is no out there.

It would take a whole book to explain this advanced technique with the depth it deserves. Suffice it to say that whenever you want to improve anything in your life, there's only one place to look: inside you.

"When you look, do it with love."

Dr. Len's message may be quite hard to believe, yet it's amazingly simple. He states that we are all responsible for everything that we see in our world. By taking full personal responsibility and then healing the wounded places within ourselves, we can literally heal ourselves and our world. As related by Joe Vitale in the radio interview, Dr. Len suggests a four-stage process for this work. Whenever a place for healing presents itself in your life, open to the place where the hurt resides within you, and say and feel as much as possible the below four sentences:


I love you.
I'm sorry.
Please forgive me.
Thank you.

for more info on ho' oponopono, go here:

http://hooponopono.org/

i first learned of Morrnah Nalamaku Simeona in 1993; she was an authentic hawaiian kahuna. Dr. Len was her "protege", and is now in his seventies.

the form i learned it in takes about 20 minutes to do. i have performed it for very stubborn "issues", and it is an extremely powerful statement of intention, ime.

when i read this article above, what occurred to me was that the last four lines compressed the entire form down to 10 words. it could be applied anywhere, at any time, to anything in one's life.

i am in the process of a 3-day "experiment".

anything that comes up for me, any irritation, resentment, frustration, i stop and repeat those 10 words.

yesterday, i did my bookkeeping for the week.

i hate fucking bookkeeping.

i started using the ho' oponopona, just kind of spontaneously.

i figured, what the hell, it can't make things any worse.

i was wrong.

instead of feeling more at peace, for the first 5 or 6 hours, i felt worse, kind of like i'd just eaten bad clams or something.

with attention, i realized how much, after all these years, i still judge and project my own fears and perceived inadequacies onto others.

i really just felt like giving up, because i felt like crap, but i kept going.

generally, the worse the resistance, the bigger the "aha!" ;)

this morning, i feel pretty good. not self-satisfied, just more "at home", i don't quite know how to describe it.

we'll see what happens today and tomorrow, and i'll update anyone who's interested.

so, ime, taking total responsibility does not mean letting anybody else off the hook, it means taking back power.

nobody, but nobody, can upset me unless i allow myself to be upset.

nobody, but nobody, can rob me of my power unless i allow them to.

to be honest, i was surprised at how many "leaks" there are in my dingy lol.

so, who else is tough enough to take the challenge?

this is simply a test: try it for yourself, and see what happens.

if you think it's bullshit, then go back to what you were doing before.

that's the best test of any spiritual principle, imv. :)

in love and service.

[klinker]

I like it and will try it. I've some shit going on right now and I'm wound up like a coil about it which in turn is being compounded by the fact that I've been mulling it over these last couple of days thinking about my next step. I'm more than prepared to face the shit storm but reading about this technique would seem to be rather good timing. Trouble is I do not know if I have the time to give it time to remedy the situation.

[tru3]

I like it and will try it. I've some shit going on right now and I'm wound up like a coil about it which in turn is being compounded by the fact that I've been mulling it over these last couple of days thinking about my next step. I'm more than prepared to face the shit storm but reading about this technique would seem to be rather good timing. Trouble is I do not know if I have the time to give it time to remedy the situation.

good on ya, mate!

based on my experience, the determining factor with respect to efficacy is not time, but sincerity.

when one performs a ho' oponopono, one is actually addressing the unahapili, the subconscious mind. and based on what i've learned, one can say positive affirmations until one is blue in the face, but one can't bullshit the unahapili. it responds to feelings, and images, not words and thoughts.

if the feeling is not authentic, no dice.

let me give you an example...

about 8 years ago, i had a couple of people working for me who were out of integrity, negative, just real downers, users, as i saw it at that time.

i gritted my teeth, 'trying' to forgive them, and nothing but resistance, resentment, and revenge. this went on for weeks.

then one day, something shifted for me. as i was meditating, one of the women came into view in my mind's eye, and i saw her not as a disgruntled employee, but as this perfect child, standing in the rain and dancing. i had been saying this affirmation for weeks:

god loves me,
god loves you,
i love me,
i love you,
i love god,
god loves me, etc.

as i said i was gritting my teeth all the while lol, but when i saw her as a child, everything softened.

she handed her resignation in about 36 hours later.

coincidence? possibly, but personally, i don't think so. so, my lesson was it's all about the energy with which i applied the forgiveness.

"When you look, do it with love."


that seems to be the key. and it's real, real, hard to do, sometimes, i get that. the closer someone is, the higher the stakes, so to speak. there's more energy attached to the relationship. does that make sense?

just a suggestion: you might try "practising" on a mild annoyance a couple of times before you tackle the "big kahuna". maybe someone in line at the grocer's whose taking too much time, or the guy who cut you off in traffic, something "lite" the first couple of times around.

oh, and i forgot to add this little story. happened last night.

i came home from this birthday party with some of my wife's friends. i really don't particularly like hanging out with these people, but sometimes in a relationship you just suck it up and do it. :D

anyway, i came home, and my two puppies had gotten into the trash bin. i mean, shit was everywhere-- rotten fruit, coffee grounds the whole schmeer.

i was not a happy camper, after everything else i had experienced yesterday.

i went to get out the vacuum and it was on the fritz.

by this time, i would have normally gone ballistic. just as i was about to cap one off, i stuck out my hand and mentally said STOP! to myself, and repeated the ho' oponopono.

i went ahead and cleaned everything up, and by the time i was done, i was just kind of chuckling to myself: in the domain of pets acting out, this was like them storming the bastille! :D

i would have spent the rest of the night in a shitty mood normally, but last night i didn't.

hope this helps, jeffangel. :)

[cruise4]

Is this the same Joe Vitale involved in MLM activities and wrote Hypnotic Marketing? Is the source questionable? Is this related to 'Infinite Love' or just Positive Thinking. Is there a difference?

[i am all i am]

G'day Tru3.

I've just found this thread. Thank you for posting this information. I love you.

I would love to see a thread started called "I LOVE YOU". We could post the words "I LOVE YOU" every time that we sign onto the forum. It could be a decleration of intent and purpose for being on the forum, while at the same time a way to put this into practise. Maybe it could be the new forum experiment. That way we could have the thread only for the purpose of writing the words "I LOVE YOU", similar to a sign in page, with the goal of everyone joining together to post the words once for every person on the planet and create world peace.

What do you think brother ???

I thought that I would run it by you and see what ideas you had so that this could be done.



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[montag]

G'day Tru3.

I've just found this thread. Thank you for posting this information. I love you.

I would love to see a thread started called "I LOVE YOU". We could post the words "I LOVE YOU" every time that we sign onto the forum. It could be a decleration of intent and purpose for being on the forum, while at the same time a way to put this into practise. Maybe it could be the new forum experiment. That way we could have the thread only for the purpose of writing the words "I LOVE YOU", similar to a sign in page, with the goal of everyone joining together to post the words once for every person on the planet and create world peace.

What do you think brother ???

I thought that I would run it by you and see what ideas you had so that this could be done.



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Great idea IAAIA, maybe we could also log off with a thank you, or in some cases, I'm sorry, please forgive me..:D

Thanks Tru3 for posting this BTW, I've always known this but sometimes it's good to be reminded. I'll put some work in and see if I get a result and get back to the thread.

Once again thank you and I love you..

[i am all i am]

Great idea IAAIA, maybe we could also log off with a thank you, or in some cases, I'm sorry, please forgive me..:D

Thanks Tru3 for posting this BTW, I've always known this but sometimes it's good to be reminded. I'll put some work in and see if I get a result and get back to the thread.

Once again thank you and I love you..

G'day Montag, I love you.

We can do this all the time if we choose to as well. The log off with the "THANK YOU" would be perfect. I was originally thinking of doing the same message for a log off as well, your idea with the "THANK YOU" is the way to go. Brilliant.



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[auron]

Wow! Excellent thread! :)

http://www.badongo.com/t/a/820986

[tru3]

G'day Tru3.

I've just found this thread. Thank you for posting this information. I love you.

I would love to see a thread started called "I LOVE YOU". We could post the words "I LOVE YOU" every time that we sign onto the forum. It could be a decleration of intent and purpose for being on the forum, while at the same time a way to put this into practise. Maybe it could be the new forum experiment. That way we could have the thread only for the purpose of writing the words "I LOVE YOU", similar to a sign in page, with the goal of everyone joining together to post the words once for every person on the planet and create world peace.

What do you think brother ???

I thought that I would run it by you and see what ideas you had so that this could be done.



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good to hear from you, brother. i love you, too. i've been away, as they say. i was sitting here this morning, wondering what purpose my presence on this forum serves, really seriously considering smiling and backing away toward the closest clearly marked exit sign, and i happened to check my user cp (thanks for all the infinite repetition, father ted! :D)

most of the time we discuss things on this forum that seem overwhelmingly big: the nature of reality, consciousness, the matrix, vast conspiracies, the context of world events.

what about the small things? family, livelihood, indifference and apathy, the guy in the red pickup who cut me off in traffic belching a big cloud of diesel fumes (yes, i seem to have a "life issue" with rednecks in red pickup trucks :D)

we may or may not be able to change the big things, but we can absolutely impact the small ones (by big or small, i mean relative to sphere of influence).

as i mentioned, i have been doing ho' oponopono for a long time. it is extremely powerful, ime. here's a little background...

Ho'oponopono
Mary Kawena Pukui, E.W. Haertig, MD, & Catherine Lee

Although Soulwork Systemic Coaching is inspired by Hawaiian ho'oponopono and ho'omanamana, factual information about pre-Christian ho'oponopono and ho'omanamana is difficult to find outside (and even inside) Hawaii. Most of what is falsely taught as Hawaiian huna and ho'oponopono is distorted a very long way from its Hawaiian origins. Martyn Carruthers & Teresa Mocna

This information is from Nana I Ke Kumu, Vol 1, pp 60-70, by Mary Kawena Pukui, E.W. Haertig, M.D, and Catherine Lee, published by The Queen Lili'uokalani Children's Center in 1971.

Some Hawaiian words relating to ho'oponopono are:

Aloha - love, greeting
Hihia - entanglement
Kumu - teacher
Ohana - extended family
Aumakua - family god
Ho'ohiki - promise
Mahiki - to peel off
Pilikia - trouble, problem
Haku - leader
Kahuna - specialist
Mihi - apologize
Pule - pray, prayer
Hala - fault, error, sin (mistake in perception--tru3)
Kala - wash, forgive
Noho - possession
Wehe wehe - to untie

Ho'oponopono & Related Concepts
ho'oponopono—setting to right; to make right; to correct; to restore and maintain good relationships among family, and family-and-supernatural powers. A family conference in which relationships were set right through prayer, discussion, confession, repentance, and mutual restitution and forgiveness.

Derivation

ho'o, to make, cause or bring about
pono, correct, right, in perfect order; (plus about 20 other closely related meanings)
ponopono, in order, cared for, attended to, connotes what is socially approved and desirable

As Mary Kawena Pukui describes it:
"Ho'oponopono is getting the family together to find out what is wrong. Maybe to find out why someone is sick, or the cause of a family quarrel. Then, with discussion and repentance and restitution and forgiveness— and always with prayer— to set right what was wrong.

"to set right" with each other and God
"Ho'oponopono is to set things right with each other and with the Almighty. I took part in ho'oponopono myself for 47 years, from semi-Christian to Christian times. And whether my 'ohana [family] prayed to aumakua [ancestor gods] or to God, the whole idea of ho'oponopono was the same. Everyone of us searched his heart for hard feelings against one another. Before God and with His help, we forgave and were forgiven, thrashing out every grudge, peeve or resentment among us."

who took part: a family matter
Ho'oponopono was essentially a family matter, involving all the nuclear or immediate family, or only those most concerned with the problem. Some leeway was possible. A non-relative living with the family might take part if he was involved with the pilikia (trouble). Children could be excused. And if an involved family member was absent, ho'oponopono might be held as a "second best" alternative to full family participation.' Though the entire extended family could hold ho'oponopono, this was usually impractical. Mrs. Pukui points out that with too many present, the whole person-to-person interchange of confession-discussion-forgiveness became impossible. Thus ho'oponopono was not a community-wide therapy. Only the title in its broadest meaning, and parts of ho'oponopono, such as prayer and periods of silence, apply to a large gathering.

"The ideal," says Mrs. Pukui, "is to keep it in the family and have all immediate family taking part."

kahuna or family senior could lead
Either a helping-healing kahuna (not a kahuna ana'ana or sorcerer) or a family kupuna (senior) could conduct ho'oponopono. In the closely knit community life of early Hawaii, the kahuna usually had a kind of "family doctor" knowledge of a family. This would allow him to lead ho'oponopono with real insight into the problems.

From Mrs. Pukui's memories and personal experience, and the shared views and experiences of Hawaiian staff members and associates, we have outlined an "ideal" or "standard" ho'oponopono. Basic procedures and therapeutic dynamics are the same, whether the ho'oponopono also included traditional pre-Christian rituals or modern additions.

Essentials of Ho'oponopono
This ho'oponopono has certain specific requirements. Some concern procedure; others attitudes.

Always included in complete ho'oponopono are:

Opening pule (prayer) and prayers any time they seem necessary.

A statement of the obvious problem to be solved or prevented from growing worse. This is sometimes called kukulu kamahana in its secondary meaning.

The "setting to rights" of each successive problem that becomes apparent during the course of ho'oponopono, even though this might make a series of ho'oponopono necessary (mahiki).

Self-scrutiny and discussion of individual conduct, attitudes and emotions.
A quality of absolute truthfulness and sincerity. Hawaii called this 'oia'i'o, the "very spirit of truth."

Control of disruptive emotions by channeling discussion through the leader.

Questioning of involved participants by the leader.

Honest confession to the gods (or God) and to each other of wrong-doing, grievances, grudges and resentments.

Immediate restitution or arrangements to make restitution as soon as possible.

Mutual forgiveness and releasing from the guilts, grudges, and tensions occasioned by the wrong-doing (hala). This repenting-forgiving-releasing is embodied in the twin terms, mihi and kala.

Closing prayer
Nearly always, the leader called for the periods of silence called ho'omalu. Ho'omalu was invoked to calm tempers, encourage self-inquiry into actions, motives and feelings, or simply for rest during an all-day ho'oponopono. And once a dispute was settled, the leader decreed ho'omalu for the whole subject, both immediately and long after ho'oponopono ended.

pre-Christian closing rites
In pre-Christian times, ho'oponopono was followed by pani rituals. These were usually chicken or pig offerings to the gods. Sometimes pani included the ceremonial ocean bath, kapu kai. Then followed the 'aha 'aina (feast). Today, post-ho'oponopono rites are virtually unknown. A meal or snack usually follows ho'oponopono.

attitudes needed in ho'oponopono
To bring about a true "righting of wrongs," certain attitudes were required. Some concerned the very decision to hold ho'oponopono. For this decision rested on the basic relief that problems could be resolved definitely if they were approached properly. They must be approached with a true intention to correct wrongs. Confession of error must be full and honest. Nothing could be withheld. Prayers, contrition and the forgiving-freeing of kala must come from the heart. Without these, ho'oponopono was form without substance.

http://www.soulwork.net/huna_articles/hooponopono.htm

i show the above only as a few guiding principles. nothing is etched in stone, except perhaps the last paragraph.

as i asked up front, "are you tough enough to take the challenge"? ;)

someone brings a grievance to the thread, and the "family" assists in releasing that grievance, or more accurately, loosening the energetic constriction. that's the basic idea.

you guys are my family. corny? so be it. :)

a couple of concerns:

1) we obviously don't have the common cultural values that the pre-christian hawaiians had, making consensus difficult at best,
2) the only thing i can really release is my perception of the situation. some people would rather be right than happy, and
3) don't get hung up on the god/jehovah thing. that's a finger pointing at the moon, not the moon itself. this practise is pre-christian.

ime, this is not some majikal entreaty. to quote from the same website:

"Ho'oponopono seems to be a supreme effort at self-help on a responsible, adult level. It also has the spiritual dimension so vital to the Hawaiian people. And even here, prayers, to aumakua in the past or God in the present, are responsible, adult prayers. The appeal is not the child-like, 'Rescue me! Get me out of this scrape.' Rather it is, 'Please provide the spiritual strength we need to work out this problem. Help us to help ourselves."'

all comments welcome.

in love and service.

[i am all i am]

good to hear from you, brother. i love you, too. i've been away, as they say. i was sitting here this morning, wondering what purpose my presence on this forum serves, really seriously considering smiling and backing away toward the closest clearly marked exit sign, and i happened to check my user cp (thanks for all the infinite repetition, father ted! :D)

G'day Tru3.

I love you.

Your presence here serves many purposes, one of them being sharing a friendship with me. Another one is the unconditional love that you share with all that you come into contact with, and in so doing, share that which heals.



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FRIENDSHIP

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FRIENDSHIP DOES SHINE,
FROM YOUR HEART INSIDE,
A LOVE THAT'S DIVINE,
CONTINUALLY SUPPLIED.

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FRIENDSHIP WITH YOU,
I AM BLESSED TO KNOW,
WITH A LOVE THAT IS TRUE,
OUR EXPERIENCE DOES GROW.

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FRIENDSHIP FOREVER,
WITH YOU I WOULD SHARE,
ETERNALLY TO DISCOVER,
OUR HEARTS TO BARE.

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FRIENDSHIP I CHOOSE,
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[garth]

Gidday True, I reckon I'm up for the challenge, I know there are many leaks in my dingy that need plugging so to speak, so yep I'm in.

Certainly makes sense and can only create a better me and therefore a better everyone else:)

Cool True, thanks for posting..hehe I'm with ya on the bookwork, feel like I've got the annual output of a papermill surrounding me at the mo..:eek:

BTW, Joe Vitale is the bald guy from "The Secret" if anyone doesn't already know:)

Love you guys:D

[tru3]

BTW, Joe Vitale is the bald guy from "The Secret" if anyone doesn't already know:)

Love you guys:D

love you too, garth.

i've always had some concerns about joe vitale. the guy started out as a sales copyrighter, now calling himself a "spiritual marketer" or some other oxymoronic branding line. maybe it's just me... :rolleyes:

if i hadn't been introduced to ho'oponopono from someone who actually met morrna simeona (the huna), i'd be a little wary of the message coming from him.

But in today's America, this is much more disturbing, because this vast majority of horizontal spiritual adherents often claim to be representing the leading edge of spiritual transformation, the "new paradigm" that will change the world, the "great transformation" of which they are the vanguard. But more often than not, they are not deeply transformative at all; they are merely but aggressively translative--they do not offer effective means to utterly dismantle the self, but merely ways for the self to think differently. Not ways to transform, but merely new ways to translate. In fact, what most of them offer is not a practice or a series of practices; not sadhana or satsang or shikan-taza or yoga. What most of them offer is simply the suggestion: read my book on the new paradigm. This is deeply disturbed, and deeply disturbing.

http://www.sevenraystoday.com/spiritualitythattransforms.htm



Your presence here serves many purposes, one of them being sharing a friendship with me. Another one is the unconditional love that you share with all that you come into contact with, and in so doing, share that which heals.

thanks, i am all i am. you made this one's day.:)

[garth]

i've always had some concerns about joe vitale. the guy started out as a sales copyrighter, now calling himself a "spiritual marketer" or some other oxymoronic branding line. maybe it's just me... :rolleyes:

if i hadn't been introduced to ho'oponopono from someone who actually met morrna simeona (the huna), i'd be a little wary of the message coming from him.



hmmm..I find it quite interesting how an increasing large portion of LOA/wealth coach type writers and speakers are now "developing" a "spiritual" slant or angle to there style or message. Certainly for some it is about the bucks and the ego.

Although, for me it's sorta how I got into this anyway...first book i read was Mind Power by John Kehoe, so is the teacher (for want of a better word) following the student or the other way round..shrugs shoulders..

BTW I agree with IAAIA, keep doin what ya are doin, tis appreciated:D

[montag]

Hi all, a gift to the thread..

Stuart Wilde - Miracles
NOTICE

Love to you all
montag.. :)

[tru3]

hmmm..I find it quite interesting how an increasing large portion of LOA/wealth coach type writers and speakers are now "developing" a "spiritual" slant or angle to there style or message. Certainly for some it is about the bucks and the ego.

Although, for me it's sorta how I got into this anyway...first book i read was Mind Power by John Kehoe, so is the teacher (for want of a better word) following the student or the other way round..shrugs shoulders..

BTW I agree with IAAIA, keep doin what ya are doin, tis appreciated:D

thanks for the support, garth.

i will probably go out and buy "zero limits" (vitale's book), if nothing else than to see how badly he butchers the material. :D

books can definitely light a fire, so can vids (joseph campbell was the one who sparked me), but it is we who prepare the meal and clean up the dishes. ;)

[lottie]

Brilliant thread tru3! Just what i needed to hear at the moment- coincidence? i think not! :);) I shall definately be practicing this, Thankyou so much for sharing.... it resonated so well with me!! :)

Love to all...:)

[lookfar]

Hey True honey :) Wow excellent thread, I am "truely" inspired to give this a go now, brilliant stuff!!:D

IAAIA I reckon you have a great idea there too - way to go sunshine!!!:D

I love you all :)

[auron]

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[tinmenace]

Truth!

Very cool thread...thanks for posting Tru3.

[zaira]

Cool thread.

I awake every morning and think…

I have no complaints whatsoever.

It seems to work.

[chandrakavi]

:D

laughter moves 33.000 muscles ,

besides making you feel happy!

Love to all!:):


evol= love backwards, that's were the word evolution
must have come from...:eek::p;)

[auron]

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[tru3]

Brilliant thread tru3! Just what i needed to hear at the moment- coincidence? i think not! :);) I shall definately be practicing this, Thankyou so much for sharing.... it resonated so well with me!! :)

Love to all...:)

that's what my intention was lottie, glad you caught it. :)

i love you, and always appreciate the way you support others.

auron, i love you, and what i appreciate about you is the way you're able to keep your sense of humor when those around you are shooting flames from their arse! :D

tin, i love you, and what i appreciate about you is the way you love the truth, and create a space for minority opinions on this forum.

lookfar, i love you, and what i appreciate about you is the way you lightly dance through the minefields here with grace and dignity.

montag, i love you, and what i appreciate about you is your willingness to be of service as an advisor. it's kind of like being a ref surrounded by soccer hooligans! :D

garth, i love you, and what i appreciate about you is your heartfelt sincerity, and your goofy sense of humor! :D

iaaia, what can i say? i love you, and what i appreciate about you is you walking your talk, and being a friend when i really needed one.

chandrakavi and zaira, i love you for showing up. stick around and play in the sandbox with us!

here's a couple of other huna principles that go hand in hand with ho'oponopono (thanks markhowie, wherever you are!)

KALA -There are no limits, everything is possible
MAKIA -Energy flows where attention goes
MANAWA -Now is the moment of power
ALOHA -To love is to be happy with
MANA -All power comes from within
PONO -Effectiveness is the measure of truth

mahalo. thanks for the pick me up, guys. have a peace-filled, joyous day!

[garth]

garth, i love you, and what i appreciate about you is your heartfelt sincerity, and your goofy sense of humor! :D



I love you to True....hehehe, I'm glad someone gets it:) (humor that is)

well I said I was up for the Challenge, so have just completed day two.

Observations thus far, certainly feel more centered than normal..cool

Have rooted out some baggage/memories that i didn't know was there, I'm sure my awareness of my thoughts has intensified..and I feel like I'm resolving the memories/baggage..so very cool

Thanks ever so much True for posting this and issuing a challenge...your a legend.....onward & upward:D

[auron]

auron, i love you, and what i appreciate about you is the way you're able to keep your sense of humor when those around you are shooting flames from their arse! :D

Oww Wow! Cheers man!!

The best way to stay healthy - Laughter!!!

Laugh at all debate!!! Because none of it matters when we're outside our bodies. I realized this 2 years ago!

You'll never see me engage in long battles with words, because my left brain has ceased to function in that way!

Keep it short and sweet. :)

Tru3 i love you!!!!!!!!

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And one for everyone else too!!

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Righty! I'm off to bed shortly. It's almost 2pm here.

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Auron :)

[i am all i am]

iaaia, what can i say? i love you, and what i appreciate about you is you walking your talk, and being a friend when i really needed one.

I LOVE YOU.

G'day Tru3.

I would love to be with you physically right now so that I could share a hug with you.

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5 of the emoticons, because 5 in numerology represents love.

I appreciate you True, because you are willing to share unconditional love with all. You are a perfect example of what we all are, love itself, expressing and experiencing ourselves, moment to moment, infinitely re-creating ourselves through this journey that we call life. Thank you for being a friend.

Here's a link to 'The New Forum Experiment' that I am looking to start up to utilise these understandings that you have shared with us all...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=80078#post80078

I would love to hear your thoughts about it brother.

THANK YOU.



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[lookfar]

lookfar, i love you, and what i appreciate about you is the way you lightly dance through the minefields here with grace and dignity.

here's a couple of other huna principles that go hand in hand with ho'oponopono (thanks markhowie, wherever you are!)

KALA -There are no limits, everything is possible
MAKIA -Energy flows where attention goes
MANAWA -Now is the moment of power
ALOHA -To love is to be happy with
MANA -All power comes from within
PONO -Effectiveness is the measure of truth

mahalo. thanks for the pick me up, guys. have a peace-filled, joyous day!

Ah I love you too True. I love reading your posts as they're always uplifting, have a strong positive message and are filled with wisdom & compassion - THANK YOU!!

I would also be interested to learn more about the ho'oponopono too... :)

Thanks again True honey, I LOVE YOU!! :D

[zoloko]

Oww Wow! Cheers man!!

The best way to stay healthy - Laughter!!!

Laugh at all debate!!! Because none of it matters when we're outside our bodies. I realized this 2 years ago!

You'll never see me engage in long battles with words, because my left brain has ceased to function in that way!

Keep it short and sweet. :)

Tru3 i love you!!!!!!!!

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And one for everyone else too!!

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Righty! I'm off to bed shortly. It's almost 2pm here.

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Auron :)
I love you!
There you are!! You changed your avatar!
Thank you!

[myeika]

Hi tru3 and everyone……

Hey I love you guys so much………

“The teacher will always arrive when the student is ready” who said that? Lol……

“my impression, but many people around here seem to think the term "infinite love" is lovey litey, weak, or somehow to be snickered at.”

Yes yes yes………. I am with you on that one…… But not just round here, but in our world too….

Spot on timing too tru……I have felt for some time now that I (all of us!) was approaching another learning curve….I appreciate so much that I can see (am aware of) them coming, and I have some of the tools to work with them and grow…….

“Dr. Len explained that total responsibility for your life means that everything in your life – simply because it is in your life – is your responsibility. In a literal sense the entire world is your creation.”

Yes…….

“This means that terrorist activity, the president, the economy – anything you experience and don't like – is up for you to heal. They don't exist, in a manner of speaking, except as projections from inside you. The problem isn't with them, it's with you, and to change them, you have to change you”

Yes…….you can’t comb the mirror!!!!!

“I know this is tough to grasp, let alone accept or actually live. Blame is far easier than total responsibility”

But your life changes so much when you are able to do this…..

“but as I spoke with Dr. Len, I began to realize that healing for him and in ho 'oponopono means loving yourself. If you want to improve your life, you have to heal your life. If you want to cure anyone – even a mentally ill criminal – you do it by healing you.”

Maybe I am not ‘loving’ myself enough right now…….

“Turns out that loving yourself is the greatest way to improve yourself, and as you improve yourself, you improve your world.”

mmmmmmmmmm…………. Sorry just thinking! Lol……

“In short, there is no out there.”

mmmmmmmmm…….

“Whenever a place for healing presents itself in your life, open to the place where the hurt resides within you, and say and feel as much as possible the below four sentences:


I love you.
I'm sorry.
Please forgive me.
Thank you.”


Mmmmmmmmmm

“open to the place where the hurt resides within you,”

What if you can not find this place?…

I know within…. I have been there many times…..I have healed many places and yes my life has change….at first I wasn’t aware of what I was doing, but had one of those big “aha!” moments, and well, many challenge later I feel so much lighter and free ….. but…. Could you feel it coming lol…… There are still things within my life I am unable to find ‘the place where the hurt resides within’ for and heal them……

“i really just felt like giving up, because i felt like crap, but i kept going.”
I know what you mean…….

“nobody, but nobody, can upset me unless i allow myself to be upset.”

“nobody, but nobody, can rob me of my power unless i allow them to.”

That is such an important understanding….. and yet so hard for some people to grasp.

"When you look, do it with love.
that seems to be the key. and it's real, real, hard to do, sometimes, i get that. the closer someone is, the higher the stakes, so to speak. there's more energy attached to the relationship. does that make sense?”
Could you expand on this for me a little more please?


"Ho'oponopono is getting the family together to find out what is wrong. Maybe to find out why someone is sick, or the cause of a family quarrel. Then, with discussion and repentance and restitution and forgiveness— and always with prayer— to set right what was wrong.


a couple of concerns:

1) we obviously don't have the common cultural values that the pre-christian hawaiians had, making consensus difficult at best,
2) the only thing i can really release is my perception of the situation. some people would rather be right than happy, and
3) don't get hung up on the god/jehovah thing. that's a finger pointing at the moon, not the moon itself. this practise is pre-christian.”

I am not sure if I understand are you proposing above, an Ho’oponopono for us? Will it be here on this thread? Or a separate one?

I don see any concerns in your concerns lol…. More just how it is…lol…

I totally agree that all any of us can release is our perception/view of the situation!

This is a very good idea, and an a special opportunity for us all to grow and learn more…

Thank you tru so much…..you are so special….

Please count me in……

I love you.
Thank You.

[john white]

Are you tough enough to take the challenge?



Oh Yes!!!


And I know you wouldnt doubt me on it Brother:

Just as I would most certainly not doubt You :)

[tru3]

thank you all for the wonderful energy! it's gonna be a great day! :)

thanks for all the wonderful questions and observations, myeika. i'm just making a lot of this up as i go along, throwing it out there, and intending that we all build on this together. who knows where it will go? a couple of responses...

Maybe I am not ‘loving’ myself enough right now…….

i wonder sometimes what "loving myself" really means. what i have found is that it first starts with acceptance. let me explain.

for years, i had this double bind with my father. i tried desperately to get his acceptance and love, even when i was rebelling against everything he ever stood for! :D

about 3 years ago, i dropped into the acceptance of our relationship just as it is. i dropped out of ever trying to make it how i thought i wanted it to be. i was willing to accept the fact that despite all my attempts to forgive him for all the terrible abuse he heaped on my when i was a tot, despite all my attempts to release my anger and resentment, i might never be able to let it go.

well, guess what? as i started to let him be him, i felt freer to let me be me. i started to relax and appreciate him for who he was, not what i wanted him to be.

and in that relaxation, true understanding began to emerge. he began to share things about his own childhood and parents that helped me understand where he was coming from, why he made some of the choices he did as my father. i still feel sad and mad sometimes, especially with respect to the choices i make coming from the woundedness i still carry, but i realize we're both doing the best we can given our attitudes and beliefs.

we are enough love, dear one, right now. always. :)

What if you can not find this place?…

i know this question well. some things remain a mystery. this is where people helping people comes in handy. ;)

that could be what we're talking about here: the individual brings these "frozen places" forward, in a safe space, to the collective wisdom and healing power of the group. honestly, i don't know if this is possible in a forum-type environment, but it's worth a look, at any rate.

ime, most wounds occur in relationship, and they are best healed in relationship. we are reflective beings: we can't take our eyes out of our heads and turn them on ourselves. you can see things about me that i can't see about myself (like that spinach between my teeth! :D)


There are still things within my life I am unable to find ‘the place where the hurt resides within’ for and heal them……

right! we all have stuck/frozen aspects of the psyche and body. and the temptation is to say, "i'm not doing this 'right'. if i just pray a little harder, work a little more, i'll be ok". bollocks! i fell prey to this for years, still do sometimes but catch myself much faster.


I am not sure if I understand are you proposing above, an Ho’oponopono for us? Will it be here on this thread? Or a separate one?

i'm not sure either, i'm making this up as i go! i think the energy of this thread is migrating toward iaaia's "new experiment" thread.

we're co-creating something here. if we let it unfold, it might be nothing, but then again, who knows?

my concerns related to:

1) differences in cultural values tend to make it more difficult to communicate.
2) to do a classic ho'opono pono as described above, all parties have to come to the table. that's not going to be possible here, in most cases. i think you're probably right though: it won't be a concern, because the collective wisdom of this group will work it out.
3) 'nuff said.

i just wanted to leave everyone with something to ponder. as much as has been said about the loa, consider this:

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:tl5wJbSAGrAJ:greatreliefsecrets.com/five_keys_to_sane_living.pdf+the+core+wound+saniel +bonder&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=11&gl=us

[tru3]

thank you all for the wonderful energy! it's gonna be a great day! :)

thanks for all the wonderful questions and observations, myeika. i'm just making a lot of this up as i go along, throwing it out there, and intending that we all build on this together. who knows where it will go? a couple of responses...

Maybe I am not ‘loving’ myself enough right now…….

i wonder sometimes what "loving myself" really means. what i have found is that it first starts with acceptance. let me explain.

for years, i had this double bind with my father. i tried desperately to get his acceptance and love, even when i was rebelling against everything he ever stood for! :D

about 3 years ago, i dropped into the acceptance of our relationship just as it is. i dropped out of ever trying to make it how i thought i wanted it to be. i was willing to accept the fact that despite all my attempts to forgive him for all the terrible abuse he heaped on my when i was a tot, despite all my attempts to release my anger and resentment, i might never be able to let it go.

well, guess what? as i started to let him be him, i felt freer to let me be me. i started to relax and appreciate him for who he was, not what i wanted him to be.

and in that relaxation, true understanding began to emerge. he began to share things about his own childhood and parents that helped me understand where he was coming from, why he made some of the choices he did as my father. i still feel sad and mad sometimes, especially with respect to the choices i make coming from the woundedness i still carry, but i realize we're both doing the best we can given our attitudes and beliefs.

we are enough love, dear one, right now. always. :)

What if you can not find this place?…

i know this question well. some things remain a mystery. this is where people helping people comes in handy. ;)

that could be what we're talking about here: the individual brings these "frozen places" forward, in a safe space, to the collective wisdom and healing power of the group. honestly, i don't know if this is possible in a forum-type environment, but it's worth a look, at any rate.

ime, the key is to be willing to let go of our story. name it, claim it, drop it. sounds simple, but trust me, it's hard as hell sometimes! lol

ime, most wounds occur in relationship, and they are best healed in relationship. we are reflective beings: we can't take our eyes out of our heads and turn them on ourselves. you can see things about me that i can't see about myself (like that spinach between my teeth! :D)


There are still things within my life I am unable to find ‘the place where the hurt resides within’ for and heal them……

right! we all have stuck/frozen aspects of the psyche and body. and the temptation is to say, "i'm not doing this 'right'. if i just pray a little harder, work a little more, i'll be ok". bollocks! i fell prey to this for years, still do sometimes but catch myself much faster.


I am not sure if I understand are you proposing above, an Ho’oponopono for us? Will it be here on this thread? Or a separate one?

i'm not sure either, i'm making this up as i go! i think the energy of this thread is migrating toward iaaia's "new experiment" thread.

we're co-creating something here. if we let it unfold, it might be nothing, but then again, who knows?

my concerns related to:

1) differences in cultural values tend to make it more difficult to communicate.
2) to do a classic ho'opono pono as described above, all parties have to come to the table. that's not going to be possible here, in most cases. i think you're probably right though: it won't be a concern, because the collective wisdom of this group will work it out.
3) 'nuff said.

i just wanted to leave everyone with something to ponder. as much as has been said about the loa, consider this:

So, here are Five Keys to Sane Living That the 9 Secrets of Great Relief Can Give You—and That The Secret Can’t:

#1. A break from judging yourself based on what is or is not showing up in your life right now

#2. Relief from the notion that you actually can “have, be, or do anything you want.”

#3. Relief from “mind-over-matter fundamentalism.”

#4. An alternative to trying to exterminate all negativity.

#5. A paradoxical view of the nature of reality—

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:tl5wJbSAGrAJ:greatreliefsecrets.com/five_keys_to_sane_living.pdf+the+core+wound+saniel +bonder&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=11&gl=us

Please read the entire essay. It's another take on the loa, which i find to be very balanced and insightful. I had the honor and good fortune to meet Saniel Bonder in 1999 and attend one of his workshops. Quite a remarkable guy, imo. i highly recommend "Waking Down: Beyond Hypermasculine Dharmas". i have not read "Great Relief" but plan on getting a copy.

in love and service. :)

[i am all i am]

I LOVE YOU.

It's around 12:30am here and I have heard that sometimes things go bump in the night.

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THANK YOU.



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[myeika]

Hi there.......Love you......:)

Tru said…:
“myeika. i'm just making a lot of this up as i go along, throwing it out there, and intending that we all build on this together. who knows where it will go?”

Yes that’s it… who knows…..I have a feeling about this……mmmmm…. I will share when it comes together lol…….



Quote:
"Maybe I am not ‘loving’ myself enough right now……. "

“i wonder sometimes what "loving myself" really means. what i have found is that it first starts with acceptance.

Yes….so true…..and realising what a special soul one is! That everything is how it should be at that moment! – Not so easy sometimes! :rolleyes:

Snip<<….. “despite all my attempts to release my anger and resentment”,….>>snip

Yes I sure know where you coming from with this it took me so long to work through some of it….I sure as heck thought I was going loopy lol….:eek:


Snip<<……. “i still feel sad and mad sometimes, especially with respect to the choices i make coming from the woundedness i still carry”,……>>snip

Bless you…..Some one once said to me….. don’t get mad, get wise! And you know… it works !

I often used to get sad tho at the choices I made…. But then I soon started to realise, that it was me doing it, it was me bring all that stuff into my life…. And that I could change it…..I not only had the power, but I also I was allowed to!!!……

So I did!

Quote:
"What if you can not find this place?… "

“i know this question well. some things remain a mystery. this is where people helping people comes in handy.

that could be what we're talking about here: the individual brings these "frozen places" forward, in a safe space, to the collective wisdom and healing power of the group. honestly, i don't know if this is possible in a forum-type environment, but it's worth a look, at any rate.”

Mmmmm What would be the options?....

If it was done here in an open forum, some people maybe would be afraid to tell the world something, something they cant talk much about to their closest confidant….

If it was done in a closed forum, this would restrict being of service to help others……
mmmmmm…..:confused:

I do think it is a very good idea, and something to think about, does anyone else have any thoughts on this?


“ime, the key is to be willing to let go of our story. name it, claim it, drop it. sounds simple, but trust me, it's hard as hell sometimes! Lol”

I feel also forgiveness and understanding comes into this….. sorta big time!...... I found that when I went within and faced what had been my issues, I had to be able to understand and then forgive so much…..before acceptance and being able to leave it (drop it)....


”ime, most wounds occur in relationship, and they are best healed in relationship. we are reflective beings: we can't take our eyes out of our heads and turn them on ourselves. you can see things about me that i can't see about myself (like that spinach between my teeth! )”

Yes….. I am still trying to come to grips with this one…… How is one meant to decipher what is being shown them…..haha…… - people helping people-?


“i'm not sure either, i'm making this up as i go! i think the energy of this thread is migrating toward iaaia's "new experiment" thread.”

Which is a great idea……Love it……

“my concerns related to:

1) differences in cultural values tend to make it more difficult to communicate.
2) to do a classic ho'opono pono as described above, all parties have to come to the table. that's not going to be possible here, in most cases. i think you're probably right though: it won't be a concern, because the collective wisdom of this group will work it out.
3) 'nuff said.”

1) Yes I can see what your saying then and again…..if we are open and loving, understanding and patient?
2) Mmmmm…. Anyone with any ideas?
3) :o)

Thank you for sharing the 5 Keys with us, I am going to read the essay later after I have watch this film I have just downloaded!

Sorry for the delay in my reply….


With Love and Thanks

[julieray]

I have read the very same thing about a month ago, but in doing all the reading on the net, I have gone off from page to page and end up forgetting what I was originally reading. Thank you for reminding me, because I too was very interesting in this technique.

In fact in the spiritual circle I attend, there is a room that we can go during meditation where our hearts are suspended and we can go and heal our own heart from previous lives, bad experiences, etc. etc.

When you think of it too, by sending love and light out to people, this too, is in essence doing the same thing - I hope so because I do try and send out love and healing in order for those at the top to deminish in power. Visualisation is a powerful thing.

Yes, very much so please count me in.
I love you.
Thank you.
xxxxxxxxxx

[garth]

I Love you guys

Dunno if this is the right place to put this or not, but here goes

At times when i have to some very mundane physical type jobs, like digging holes or stacking wood or cutting weeds, like the type of work that you really have to put your back into it and "dig it in", work up a sweat sorta stuff. I find myself bringing up thoughts from the past that made me angry, usually it's things that I beat myself up for doing or not doing, things that piss me off about me.

Its sorta a strange scenario because the anger/frustration that i feel, I direct into the arse type task that I'm performing (and usually do the job in record time), but i tend to work through the crap thoughts that I've brought up by doing this, sorta like direct them out of me into the task.

The other day this happened, I was stacking a huge pile of timber, and I had a crack at forgiving myself, saying sorry and I love you to myself, I think it helped as I feel a lot better for it.

Dunno if I'm weird, but whatever ha:)

Thanks for reading about my strange therapy

[lottie]

I Love you guys

Dunno if this is the right place to put this or not, but here goes

At times when i have to some very mundane physical type jobs, like digging holes or stacking wood or cutting weeds, like the type of work that you really have to put your back into it and "dig it in", work up a sweat sorta stuff. I find myself bringing up thoughts from the past that made me angry, usually it's things that I beat myself up for doing or not doing, things that piss me off about me.

Its sorta a strange scenario because the anger/frustration that i feel, I direct into the arse type task that I'm performing (and usually do the job in record time), but i tend to work through the crap thoughts that I've brought up by doing this, sorta like direct them out of me into the task.

The other day this happened, I was stacking a huge pile of timber, and I had a crack at forgiving myself, saying sorry and I love you to myself, I think it helped as I feel a lot better for it.

Dunno if I'm weird, but whatever ha:)

Thanks for reading about my strange therapy

Excellent way to channel your negativity garth, my OH does just this- i remember once i was digging the garden and i was frustrated as i didnt have the strength to do it - he came out rather annoyed that i'd disturbed him from the rugby - picked up the spade and was like a man possessed- the footing was dug in a matter of minutes- he says its an excellent way to channel his aggression....me thinks he needs to dig more often!! lol!!

[garth]

he says its an excellent way to channel his aggression....me thinks he needs to dig more often!! lol!!

PMSL..on ya Lots:)

[lookfar]

PMSL..on ya Lots:)

I love you guys

Hey garth, I hope you're not PYSL on my mate cos that's just not nice, LOL!!:eek: ;) :p

BTW I think that's a good way of dealing with your angers/frustrations, helps to get em out of your system & focuses the energy into getting something done & making it positive, two birds with one stone... nice one :)

Thank you for letting me lower the tone ever so slightly on this wonderful thread ;)

I'm sorry.

Please forgive me :o :)

[lottie]

I love you guys

Hey garth, I hope you're not PYSL on my mate cos that's just not nice, LOL!!:eek:

BTW I think that's a good way of dealing with your angers/frustrations, helps to get em out of your system & focuses the energy into getting something done & making it positive, two birds with one stone... nice one :)

Thank you for letting me lower the tone ever so slightly on this wonderful thread ;)

I'm sorry.

Please forgive me :o :)

you wouldnt be you if you didnt honey!! :D:p love ya for it though....;):)

[lookfar]

you wouldnt be you if you didnt honey!! :D:p love ya for it though....;):)

Hehe sorry, but I couldn't resist as it made me laugh out loud when I read it!!:D;) Love you too honey :)

[revolutionary_jam]

what are you meant to be sorry for when you say "I'm sorry" ???

[julieray]

Just wondering what everyone may think about promoting the I LOVE YOU, I'M SORRY, PLEASE FORGIVE ME, THANK YOU. on the bottom of their posts. And also explaining what it is for and how it is to work. I personally think it would be a blinding idea in order to spread this concept of healing ourselves to heal the world. The more people are aware, the more, they can do something about it.

There are so many of us here on this forum, who obviously know what is going on and feel so very frustrated/powerless to actually bring about a change, that I am sure that if we all pull together and try this, we may be able to make such a difference to the world. It must be worth a try!!

I have tried to explain it in my signature, but not really sure what I am doing, or if it will be effective,but I hope it gets the message accross. Please let me know your views.

[myeika]

:)

Good idea julie....

I think it will really help....

I have been doing the podcasts from the hunna trainer site, have you had a listen? They are very good and so far seem to help expand on our understanding of the way of being able to be at one, there are some good exercises to do which are a fun way of learning too!

Will have to change my sig on my emails tomorrow!

Take care....

[julieray]

:)

Good idea julie....

I think it will really help....

I have been doing the podcasts from the hunna trainer site, have you had a listen? They are very good and so far seem to help expand on our understanding of the way of being able to be at one, there are some good exercises to do which are a fun way of learning too!

Will have to change my sig on my emails tomorrow!

Take care....

Thank you for your reply Myeika, I think if we all did, even a little bit, we could make a difference!
Do you have a link for the hunna trainer site because I haven't even heard of this but am keen to have listen!!:)

[irak]

..Yeah i'm tough enough to love!

:) Love ya all!
Love ya one!


..in croatian:
love = ljubav
to love = voljeti
love you = volim vas
:)

[nickatnoon61]

G'day Tru3.

I've just found this thread. Thank you for posting this information. I love you.

I would love to see a thread started called "I LOVE YOU". We could post the words "I LOVE YOU" every time that we sign onto the forum. It could be a decleration of intent and purpose for being on the forum, while at the same time a way to put this into practise. Maybe it could be the new forum experiment. That way we could have the thread only for the purpose of writing the words "I LOVE YOU", similar to a sign in page, with the goal of everyone joining together to post the words once for every person on the planet and create world peace.

What do you think brother ???

I thought that I would run it by you and see what ideas you had so that this could be done.



http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/3/3D_emoticon_S34.gif With LOVE http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/3/3D_emoticon_S36.gifIAMAIAM, the pink fonts really bother my eyes so much, I rarely read thru your posts! You probably have a lot of important messages. Has anyone else complained, or is it just me? I am not whining, just an observation! thanx....Nick. :)

[mr_moon]

Hello you lovely people of Light!

I have been reading this thread and so much of it resonates with me, however there is one thing which is making me feel concerned. We shouldn't be sorry for anything we do as Human Beings. The world is operating in such a way that the natural process of evolution is allowing us to discover and experience new perceptions of how the 'whole' is functioning.

An apology, to me, indicates that we are to blame for external events in other people's lives and that it is us who have caused them suffering or conflict. Of course I believe this is true and what happens inside of us, is reflected in the outside world. However what happens inside of OTHERS is also reflected in the outside world and this presents us with an interesting dilemma:

If our perception of reality is created entirely by us, then why should we be sorry for the situation of another? Isn't this a natural process that is supposed to be happening in this way?

I'm by no means discrediting the method of 'I love you, I'm sorry, forgive me, thankyou' but I am interested as to why the words 'sorry' and 'forgive' are used.

Any ideas?

Much Love,

Jay
xxx

[julieray]

Hello you lovely people of Light!

I have been reading this thread and so much of it resonates with me, however there is one thing which is making me feel concerned. We shouldn't be sorry for anything we do as Human Beings. The world is operating in such a way that the natural process of evolution is allowing us to discover and experience new perceptions of how the 'whole' is functioning.

An apology, to me, indicates that we are to blame for external events in other people's lives and that it is us who have caused them suffering or conflict. Of course I believe this is true and what happens inside of us, is reflected in the outside world. However what happens inside of OTHERS is also reflected in the outside world and this presents us with an interesting dilemma:

If our perception of reality is created entirely by us, then why should we be sorry for the situation of another? Isn't this a natural process that is supposed to be happening in this way?

I'm by no means discrediting the method of 'I love you, I'm sorry, forgive me, thankyou' but I am interested as to why the words 'sorry' and 'forgive' are used.

Any ideas?

Much Love,

Jay
xxx

Have you read the link Jay??

http://www.spiritussanctus.com/ho_oponopono.shtml

It does seem such a simple concept but it works, so why try to analyse it too much as the old saying goes, if it is not broke don't try to fix it.

My own personal view is that whilst we have created our own realities we are still being misled, so how can we improve the world if we have been allowed to forget what it is we have created. Once we realise we are responsible we can make amends. The apologising aspect is just acknowledging that we are sorry that we have allowed ourselves to be blinded and manipulated. I may be completely wrong but I am still however happy to promote this as quite clearly it does work and you can't argue with that!:)

[asentinel]

I love you,
I love me, I accept us both as ~yet imperfect~ but on the way to ~perfection~. I release you from my limited perception of you, the knot is undone, and I give us both permission to be our highest expression.

I am sorry,
for all the things I am as yet unaware, leading my perception to be incomplete, and for all the pain this causes you and me, I am sorry for your pain, I am sorry for all pain.

Forgive me
forgive me as I wish all to be forgiven for me and for you, we are as one, not more or less important than each other, forgive my imperfection as I forgive yours. There is place in my reality now for this imperfection to be released. We need no longer hold onto scores, we can actively forget.

Thank you
i give thanks for you and for me.
As there is a higher form of empathy existing, I have now created a field or space of acceptance where we can both join in oneness and let go of all that ails. This field of resonance exists beyond space and time and therefore healing can travel backward and forward as we are both NOW the finest and highest of what we have ever been, the culmination of love, the best of ourselves. There is nothing wrong with you, there is nothing wrong with me.

These are the things I mean when I say the mantra.

[mountain]

I have recently just read Masaru Emoto's The Hidden Messages in Water, abook where the author conducted experiments by exposing words and sounds to water. Love expressions and gratitude. He photographed very beautiful and intricate crystals reminiscent of snowflakes that were formed when the water were exposed to expressions of love & gratitude.
He also says that humans and earth are made of water, and that we created our existence collectively.
I recommend this book highly to everyone!:):):):):)

[nickatnoon61]

I have recently just read Masaru Emoto's The Hidden Messages in Water, abook where the author conducted experiments by exposing words and sounds to water. Love expressions and gratitude. He photographed very beautiful and intricate crystals reminiscent of snowflakes that were formed when the water were exposed to expressions of love & gratitude.
He also says that humans and earth are made of water, and that we created our existence collectively.
I recommend this book highly to everyone!:):):):):)
Thanx mountain,Yes, I have the book, and it is an amazing revelation! I have bought stick-on affirmative words to put on my water containers! I also use "power plates"(sacred geometry) that I put under my food and water to charge it.:)