'I do everything... the bees still die'

[john connor]

I know what I blame for this but there ya go

All over the world bees have been disappearing but nowhere has been more affected than the United States.

Scientists there have dubbed the phenomenon colony collapse disorder - but some experts argue that this is misleading, and that what's killing the bees is the way they are being exploited by commercial beekeepers.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7925619.stm

[simplysimon]

Indeed, If I was a bee, I would rather die than live in slavery !!

[honey_beez]

I'll ask the Ancestors how we can reverse this:)

[jesuitsdidit]

ive dealt with ccd already
its v serious..

[jennf]

My mate in California lost all her bees last year, it was just the one hive but they all count, very sad :(

[lupa]

i saw a queen on sunday first bee of the year..made me smile. hopefully nature will find a way, the insects have always found a way to succeed no matter what the odds though the ages...praying they succeed more than ever now.

I did not see that many bees last year, come to think of it..the year before that too. plenty of wasp's in fact more wasps than ever.

[flickflack]

I heard about disappering bees on 60 Minutes. I think it was updated in a later episode, that it didn't get better for the bees.
I don't think they had any conclusions to this mystery, though.

[susano]

I live in the states (Michigan) and have bees up the wazoo. Not kept bees, but wild. I planted what they like and they came, along with the butterflies.

[jennf]

I keep wondering if it's got anything to do with GM crops :confused:

[metacomet]

Maybe the bees are having an evolution in consciousness, just like everything else.

They see no need to provide honey for the white boxes anymore. Maybe they stopped listening to the queen. Maybe they just want to go on vacation for a bit.

:p Real truth is that electromagnetic changes in the earth have put the bees down. They are going to sleep, well aware of what's about to come. We will see similar 'drop outs' with other animals who rely on electromagnetic maps to get around, specifically birds and fish.

If mainstream told the public this we would all be flipping out. Therefore it remains a 'mystery'.

[honey_beez]

Honey Bee Mystery - YouTube

[lupa]

I keep wondering if it's got anything to do with GM crops :confused:

yes i think it has alot to do with GM..its funny how they planted those experimental crops here in the uk a few years back and all of a suddern the bees start to die. that ,.and chemtrails.. i believe that. its the chems and GM.. of course the only problem reaction solution to no food will be ...


OK WE NEED THE GM FOODS ..GIVES US THE GM FOODS!

[simplysimon]

Awesome video. Thanks for posting.

There's a sad undertone to that message though. How many will be left behind....

[jennf]

yes i think it has alot to do with GM..its funny how they planted those experimental crops here in the uk a few years back and all of a suddern the bees start to die. that ,.and chemtrails.. i believe that. its the chems and GM.. of course the only problem reaction solution to no food will be ...


OK WE NEED THE GM FOODS ..GIVES US THE GM FOODS!

Yep that's a very good point, some politician on newsnight a few years back got a roasting over gm, because when an audience member asked 'what about the bees transfering from one plant to another that isn't gm?, or birds carrying and dropping seeds elsewhere?' he could not answer because he had only been given scientific data referring to wind and the weather!

[themime]

Try Chinese bees, they are able to bite the mites that are killing them in half.

[susano]

Find out what local plants attract local bees and PLANT them

[jennf]

Maybe the bees are having an evolution in consciousness, just like everything else.

They see no need to provide honey for the white boxes anymore. Maybe they stopped listening to the queen. Maybe they just want to go on vacation for a bit.

:p Real truth is that electromagnetic changes in the earth have put the bees down. They are going to sleep, well aware of what's about to come. We will see similar 'drop outs' with other animals who rely on electromagnetic maps to get around, specifically birds and fish.

If mainstream told the public this we would all be flipping out. Therefore it remains a 'mystery'.

I remember last year's doctor who's had at least three episodes involving bees, and the end result was they couldn't live on this planet anymore so had left! My son kept noticing the plot as we had discussed it (but I can''t remember if it was to do with magnetism though). So in a way they had planted seeds in peoples minds that this was happening, if they didn't already know. The only problem is the children need to know they haven't left to go to another planet and will return, they are dying and we must help:(

[beldazar]

Yes I saw those episodes Jenn, I mentioned it to my son.

I overheard on the BBC this morning that it was thought to be their equivalent of HIV. Sorry if that was mentioned in the vids, I didnt watch them :o

[jennf]

Find out what local plants attract local bees and PLANT them

Very good advice, had lots of bees last year especially in my neighbours garden as they have a cherry tree, so they love the blossom, but they wanted to get it cut down but have persuaded them otherwise :)

[jennf]

Yes I saw those episodes Jenn, I mentioned it to my son.

I overheard on the BBC this morning that it was thought to be their equivalent of HIV. Sorry if that was mentioned in the vids, I didnt watch them :o

Am glad you saw them aswell, maybe it is to do with GM then, as we don't know what DNA splice they used for which crop that could be contaminated with goodness knows what:confused: What are they trying to feed us and nature :confused:

[always_rebel]

Ecological Apocalypse: Why Are All The Bees Dying?
GM, toxic chemicals, chemtrails destroying eco-system, threatening very survival of humanity

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Tuesday, April 10, 2007

The alarming decline in bee populations across the United States and Europe represents a potential ecological apocalypse, an environmental catastrophe that could collapse the food chain and wipe out humanity. Who and what is behind this flagrant abuse of the eco-system?

Many people don't realize the vital role bees play in maintaining a balanced eco-system. According to experts, if bees were to become extinct then humanity would perish after just four years.

"If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe then man would only have four years of life left. No more bees, no more pollination, no more plants, no more animals, no more man," said Albert Einstein.

Others would say four years is alarmist and that man would find other food sources, but the fact remains that the disappearance of bees is potentially devastating to agriculture and most plant life.

Reports that bee populations are declining at rates of up to 80% in areas of the U.S. and Europe should set alarm bells ringing and demand immediate action on behalf of environmental organizations. Experts are calling the worrying trend "colony collapse disorder" or CCD.

"Bee numbers on parts of the east coast and in Texas have fallen by more than 70 percent, while California has seen colonies drop by 30 to 60 percent," reports AFP.

"Approximately 40 percent of my 2,000 colonies are currently dead and this is the greatest winter colony mortality I have ever experienced in my 30 years of beekeeping," apiarist Gene Brandi, from the California State Beekeepers Association, told Congress recently.

The article states that U.S. bee colonies have been dropping since 1980 and the number of beekeepers have halved.


more: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/100407beesdying.htm


My dad used to keep bees. 50-100 hives.

[jesuitsdidit]

Yep that's a very good point, some politician on newsnight a few years back got a roasting over gm, because when an audience member asked 'what about the bees transfering from one plant to another that isn't gm?, or birds carrying and dropping seeds elsewhere?' he could not answer because he had only been given scientific data referring to wind and the weather!

so even non-GM is now GM.. :eek:

[jennf]

so even non-GM is now GM.. :eek:

Unfortunately.........:eek:

[jennf]

Nature has genetically modified different varieties of plants for hundreds of years, via wind, bees and birds etc naturally, but the plants still produced seeds. The genetically modified plants today have been made in a science lab spliced with all sorts of animal dna etc and will not produce seeds that you can cultivate as they are sterile. Now what will that do to a bee and other plants it lands on, would that make them sterile too and the bees colony:confused:

[ownoiz]

This is not good, and seems to be coinciding with the water takeovers and restrictions for irrigators / food producers.

So far here in Australia we are unaffected and we have a situation now where our bees are being exported to California to pollinate fruit and nut crops, its madness...bees being shipped overseas.

But i cant see why it wont happen here, it will spread. It probably just hasnt happened here yet because of the distances. Maybe its because we have less GM crops. But thats changing for the worse as more GM creeps in here.

I have bee hives on my property they were there when i moved in and i keep an eye on them and they pollinate the fruit and nut trees i have. Without them we are seriously screwed.
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"98% of us will die at some point in our lives" - Will Ferrell - Talladega Nights

[coco]

I have some friends who keep bees in North Carolina. They inherited them from a family member who passed away. I should ask them about their bees and see how they're doing.

[micheal]

I think albert was over-reacting a wee bit

Obviously losing bees would hurt the eco-system but it would recover and adapt, i watched a cool documentry before about bats, a section was showing excellent footage of bats obtaining water from cactii blossoms at night then spreading seeds.... class slow motion footage, could've been from the planet earth series...

"If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe then man would only have four years of life left. No more bees, no more pollination, no more plants, no more animals, no more man," said Albert Einstein.

The main job of flowers is to attract pollinators and, in this way, to ensure the reproduction of the flowering plants. Their beautiful colors, interesting shapes and delicious scents have one purpose only: to attract pollinators.
So, who are these very important creatures? Mostly we are talking about insects: true there are some birds, bats and other small mammals, even a lizard. But the vast majority of pollinators are flying insects.
When we talk about pollinators the ones that come to mind are honey bees and butterflies, but there are also many other insects that perform this job for flowering plants, as well. There are flies, wasps, beetles and even some other insects that most people know nothing about, such as hemiptera and thrips. My favorite one is the one that pollinates the flowers of the cacao tree: a small fly, a midge, without which there would be no chocolate in this world. What a horrible thought!
It is to these very little known pollinators that I devote these pages, hoping that you learn to love them and to thank them as much as I do.

http://www.geocities.com/insectpollinators/

[adzboarder]

I keep seeing bees everywhere, even here in the UK during the cold March months of winter/early spring, I noticed about 3 or more bees during my morning walk today.

Don't get it...

[astrochicken]

I'm pretty sure they proved that it was all down to a merck pesticide and there were allegations of impending lawsuits... which probably fell under the table

[gilly]

I get masses of bees in my garden in summer - they can't get enough of the fox-gloves.

[1971]

I made a bee movie last summer...
http://www.next2friends.com/video/my-beemovie/MDY2NGE1

[amethyst]

Electro magnetic fields are changing the bees vibrations and patterns.....it makes them confused and less able to behave in their normal patterns.

[spectruma]

Maybe the bees are having an evolution in consciousness, just like everything else.

They see no need to provide honey for the white boxes anymore. Maybe they stopped listening to the queen. Maybe they just want to go on vacation for a bit.

Real truth is that electromagnetic changes in the earth have put the bees down. They are going to sleep, well aware of what's about to come. We will see similar 'drop outs' with other animals who rely on electromagnetic maps to get around, specifically birds and fish.

Both cases are unlikely.

Rather it seems the blame lies with Monsanto GM.

[ownoiz]

I think albert was over-reacting a wee bit

Obviously losing bees would hurt the eco-system but it would recover and adapt,


Hi michael,

Yes albert may have been overreacting when he talked of complete extinction, but the loss of bees WILL have a serious affect on the worlds food production at this point in time when you consider the methods we currently use with tree orchards to produce much of the food today to feed the billions of people.

While it is true there are many other pollinators other than bees, and heck some trees even self pollinate or need only the wind...

The concerns here are in todays commercial orchard situations whee you might have hundreds or thousands of acres of the same trees, say almonds for example.

In these situations, bee hives are brought to the areas annually to pollinate trees and they greatly increase the yields per tree or per hectare...without the bees we will have much less efficiency and much less food.

It is much more difficult for us humans to harness any other creature the way we use bees...because they live in a hive, the hives can be transported to orchards constantly by the bee keepers/contractors, and the bees will return to their hive EVERY NIGHT no matter where it is placed after a hard days pollinating, there is no loss of animals. When the job is done the hives are picked up at night with the bees inside and onto the next port of call.

If other animals such as wasps are bred and released in this way they dont come back!! And you need millions of them. This is where the difficulty lies if we dont have bees. Much more difficult logistically and much more expensive if we had to use an alternative.

Now why are the bees brought in to these situations and dont occur in the area naturally, well simply put bees (and other insects) want to be around constant supplies of food, and in natural situations you would have many different species of plant flowering at different times throughout the year and the bees stay put...

Once an area is cleared extensively and planted with high density orchards of the same variety for many acres...well then for most of the year the bees have no food, so they leave the area...then when the orchards flower in that short window of time once a year, there arent enough bees around to do the job, so they need to be shipped in temporarily, this is the job of the bee keepers who are contracted by orchard managers.

No bees = less productivity (food) per hectare but still with the same input costs. This would be a big problem for food production on many levels until we found alternatives to the systems we currently use.

The first effect (obviously) would be less food, then a secondary effect would be that less people will want to own / buy / setup orchards because of issues with economic viability, which means even less food.

And if there is food shortages will the growers get more money...well usually no, consumers will pay more because the large chain supermarkets will use it as an excuse to raise thier prices while continually tightening the screws on suppliers. This is behaviour by the large supermarkets that has occured in the past, occurs now and will continue to occur.
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[lizzy]

[QUOTE=ownoiz;845146]This is not good, and seems to be coinciding with the water takeovers and restrictions for irrigators / food producers.

So far here in Australia we are unaffected and we have a situation now where our bees are being exported to California to pollinate fruit and nut crops, its madness...bees being shipped overseas.

But i cant see why it wont happen here, it will spread. It probably just hasnt happened here yet because of the distances. Maybe its because we have less GM crops. But thats changing for the worse as more GM creeps in here.

I have bee hives on my property they were there when i moved in and i keep an eye on them and they pollinate the fruit and nut trees i have. Without them we are seriously screwed.
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I hope you can keep yourself free from the GM crops ownoiz. This is a real war and commercial beekeepers are being told they cannot transport their bees for pollination interstate but they can be imported!!

[lizzy]

Electro magnetic fields are changing the bees vibrations and patterns.....it makes them confused and less able to behave in their normal patterns.

yup, beside the modification messing with their dna, I read that too....;)

[diamondgeezer]

I can't see how commercial orchards & the like (if reasonably 'organic') should be a problem to bees, surely they would thrive on such environments..?

GM crops.. I'm not wised up enough on them to know if they would cause a problem to bees. I don't think anyone else is either to be honest..

This parasite mite looks like a contender, but my guess is that its residual pesticides concentrating up through the food chain (includes plants) thats causing the decline in bee populations. And intensive farming, all those unbroken miles of sterile crops with no hedgerows or copses. Grim

*edit* Its a fact that my small-but-overgrown city garden contains more wildlife than my friends larger rural garden which is surrounded by intensively farmed 'countryside'.

[ownoiz]

I hope you can keep yourself free from the GM crops ownoiz. This is a real war and commercial beekeepers are being told they cannot transport their bees for pollination interstate but they can be imported!!

Hi Lizzy,

That sounds ridiculous...i guess they want the sick bees to spread. And with advances in genetic manipulation, and EMF radiation who knows what TPTB are up to.

As for GM, as you know, once there is GM stuff around, its going to spread and how do we keep track?? Do we as individuals have to begin taking samples of fruit or crop to get DNA tested and then trust the labs we go to (of which there are few) :mad: Its opening a big ugly can of worms...Thats why i have such contempt for the likes of Monsanto, one only has to look at one of my profile albums here to see what i think. Its going to be another cane toad, but the consequences will be much worse.

While the likes of Monsanto sing about how they want to help mankind (awww how nice of them) by making more drought and pest resistant crops with higher yield, well we here know better, its a bunch of BS and its just all about the benjamins and control.

Last time i checked, South Australia still has GM banned. But vic IIRC last year allowed trials for the first time. Now i know there is no way there wont be cross contamination eventually with certain crops as the growing regions merge at the border, from the north near lake victoria region/renmark, down to bordertown and then Mt gambier, hundreds of K's where the land looks the same from one side to the other and the only thing seperating is an imaginary line on a map.

Once GM finds its way into in S.A. , all the food growing regions containing fruits, nuts veggies and grains link to the North of Adelaide (Virginia irrigation district/ Barossa valley) and South of Adelaide (mc laren vale) so we could soon have Frankenfoods a mere 20 minute drive from the Adelaide CBD.

I can't see how commercial orchards & the like (if reasonably 'organic') should be a problem to bees, surely they would thrive on such environments..?

GM crops.. I'm not wised up enough on them to know if they would cause a problem to bees. I don't think anyone else is either to be honest..

This parasite mite looks like a contender, but my guess is that its residual pesticides concentrating up through the food chain (includes plants) thats causing the decline in bee populations. And intensive farming, all those unbroken miles of sterile crops with no hedgerows or copses. Grim

*edit* Its a fact that my small-but-overgrown city garden contains more wildlife than my friends larger rural garden which is surrounded by intensively farmed 'countryside'.

Some good points there, i am of the opinion that with technological advances, growers are blindly trusting some of the chemicals applied to crops, from the ground (monsanto roundup/weedkillers) and up with all the other pesticides sprayed on the crops, sygenta/bayer and the like.

Who knows what they have added or blended intentionally to some of these things and the eventual effect on plants, soils, bacterias and all of us animals, including bees...and this whole Monsanto/GM foods/Chemical spraying reeks of problem/reaction/solution and it all links together...drought/ever changing pest resistance/weather manipulation/water takeovers and water course manipulation to make areas appear drier than they actually are (murray darling basin is one example) .

But dont sweat all these disasters, because Monsanto is here to rescue us with their drought and pest resistant super fast growing high yield wonder crops....thanks Monsanto, you will save us all from the ravages of "mother nature" :rolleyes:

And Obama admin with some of his appointees and their obvious ties to Monsanto is not good.

And intensive farming with lots of chemicals does kill all bugs and insects, both good and bad, which then has a domino effect on other wildlife. And its not always the best way to do things, but just like we are programmed in so many areas by TPTB, well some food producers are programmed to do things in a certain way which is beneficial to these companies.
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[secondsun]

The proof is obvious that one of the major reasons of the bees’ decline is by the ingestion of GMO proteins. This is problematic, as there is such an increase of indigestible foods in humans and bees. The situation of colon cancer in humans is somewhat similar in occurrence. This is only a theory but leaves one to wonder what are we eating en mass. The external or complementary good of the bee is obviously a rise for a global concern. The long-term economical and environmental impact has yet to be completely understood.

The Ecological Impact of horizontal gene transfer and increase of rampant disease is not fully examined and if so, is kept silent by these Conglomerates. The Economic impact of the bee colony collapse would mean inflation, scarcity of agricultural commodities, and ultimately the collapse of North American agriculture.

The Environmental Impact of scarcity and increased demand for resources, will beyond doubt have severe repercussions for our long-term food security. The bio-diversity of the bees causes positive economic and ecological externalities. The negative externalities have yet to be fully grasped or understood.

...taken from here (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8436)

...and this aint happened by accident!

[nirvana]

I thought only honey bees were dying .We have over 19,000 different species of bees.Over 200 speices in the UK.
{WELL THIS IS WHAT MY MATE TOLD ME}



peace:)

[jojo]

Maybe the bees are having an evolution in consciousness, just like everything else.

They see no need to provide honey for the white boxes anymore. Maybe they stopped listening to the queen. Maybe they just want to go on vacation for a bit.

:p Real truth is that electromagnetic changes in the earth have put the bees down. They are going to sleep, well aware of what's about to come. We will see similar 'drop outs' with other animals who rely on electromagnetic maps to get around, specifically birds and fish.

If mainstream told the public this we would all be flipping out. Therefore it remains a 'mystery'.


yes, i agree its the electro magnetic field around the earth and from the earth at this moment. however, i do feel that the masts and frequencys being pumped into the eather is having a detrimental effect.

Im going to send healing energy to the bees at these times. they really need it. and chanel waves of "healing" vibes at those bloody masts. they need to fuck up....

[amethyst]

yes, i agree its the electro magnetic field around the earth and from the earth at this moment. however, i do feel that the masts and frequencys being pumped into the eather is having a detrimental effect.

Im going to send healing energy to the bees at these times. they really need it. and chanel waves of "healing" vibes at those bloody masts. they need to fuck up....

I understand the masts are "using" electro magnetic energy. Sending pulses. If these frequencies are being picked up by our cell phones (and sent directly to our brains) they certainly are being picked up by the bees, who rely on specific frequencies and patterns to communicate with one another and do their pollination processes.

I think these piped electromanetic waves discombobulate and confuse the bees :(

I've read some people use orgone power to 'zap" these electromanetic pulses.

It would be a terrible thing if all the bees stopped pollinating.

[jojo]

I understand the masts are "using" electro magnetic energy. Sending pulses. If these frequencies are being picked up by our cell phones (and sent directly to our brains) they certainly are being picked up by the bees, who rely on specific frequencies and patterns to communicate with one another and do their pollination processes.

I think these piped electromanetic waves discombobulate and confuse the bees :(

I've read some people use orgone power to 'zap" these electromanetic pulses.

It would be a terrible thing if all the bees stopped pollinating.

in total agreement with what you say amethyst. The bees really need as much healing as possible, and the masts need to be scrambed asap too.

im sending healing to them every day from now on.... i do a daily healing and visualisation list, and they are now on it :)

[amethyst]

in total agreement with what you say amethyst. The bees really need as much healing as possible, and the masts need to be scrambed asap too.

im sending healing to them every day from now on.... i do a daily healing and visualisation list, and they are now on it :)

Good on you! I think I'll do the same thing. We need the bees!

[the nine]

I keep wondering if it's got anything to do with GM crops :confused:

that is an excellent point!

[phildee3]

The problem is a much simpler one than y'all are grasping at.
In a word: organic.


I’m on an organic beekeeping list of about 1,000 people, mostly Americans, and no one in the organic beekeeping world, including commercial beekeepers, is reporting colony collapse on this list.
http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2008/06/02/organic-bees-surviving-colony-collapse-disorder-ccd/



I'm know the ex-president of the Somerset Beekeepers Association and he says the same thing.
There is no CCD in organic colonies in Somerset (and we are in the midst of a dense EM smog!).

[jojo]

The problem is a much simpler one than y'all are grasping at.
In a word: organic.



I'm know the ex-president of the Somerset Beekeepers Association and he says the same thing.
There is no CCD in organic colonies in Somerset (and we are in the midst of a dense EM smog!).


well thats good news at least then. at least it can be reversed

[violetray]

I saw a bee today in the new forest

[phildee3]

well thats good news at least then. at least it can be reversed



No, I don't think it can.
It's too late for the inorganic colonies.
A change in practice won't revive them.

[spectruma]

The problem is a much simpler one than y'all are grasping at.
In a word: organic.

I'm know the ex-president of the Somerset Beekeepers Association and he says the same thing.
There is no CCD in organic colonies in Somerset (and we are in the midst of a dense EM smog!).

Good post phildee3. I think that refutes the EM hypothesis for CCD pretty clearly. I would not be inclined to blame EM myself.

Not that I think it couldn't potentially have an influence, but CCD has been happening only in the last few years. If EM was the culprit, we would have seen it when TV/radio transmitters went up, electrification happened, etc. We didn't.

[drhemp]

I blame mobile phones

[flickflack]

No wonder the busy beez are leaving, because they are replaced by the working people! :eek: (This was just a crazy dream that I had.)

Didn't Barack Obama plan a rescue pack for bee insurance? And did this positively pass trhough the congess?