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l1ndsaystarr

05-03-2009, 07:33 PM

kappy0405

05-03-2009, 07:34 PM

umm.. no

hewrote

05-03-2009, 07:36 PM

(((feel the "oneness"?)))

element

05-03-2009, 07:42 PM

There's no point in believing this christian propoganda.
Again more fear of the unknown, and the 'east', and also muslims. Only christians and jews are 'special'...:rolleyes:

Did you watched the end?

I am not interested in Blavatsky and co, but the whole vid gives it away. And I've seen so much of this around.

kappy0405

05-03-2009, 07:51 PM

the ptb has pushed and promoted the Jesus story for 2000+ years, and now we're supposed to believe that they are trying to avoid it because it's authentic??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

deany

05-03-2009, 08:05 PM

l1ndsaystarr

05-03-2009, 08:06 PM

l1ndsaystarr

05-03-2009, 08:10 PM

it's the usual genuine information mixed with disinformation so that's why you're confused mate, it's designed to confuse you.

truth will feel like truth, it will not make you feel confused. go with your feelings. you already know the answers.

Thanks for the support! :)

Truth did feel like truth until the truth felt like lies.

How am I supposed to 'know' what's truth if I have no real reference point of what truth REALLY is. I'm sooo confused. I WANT TO SCREAM!!!!!!:eek:

darketernal

05-03-2009, 08:12 PM

the ptb has pushed and promoted the Jesus story for 2000+ years, and now we're supposed to believe that they are trying to avoid it because it's authentic??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Kappy, the thing is you will never convince Christians that the PTB have created and promoted their faith. In their minds it is the one truth faith, and the idea that it could be a trick doesn't factor into their perception. This is true of every religious belief.

No they did not plan on supporting it forever though, only for one age, which is nearing its end, but not quite here yet, so the PTB still support it.

theqleaner

05-03-2009, 08:16 PM

You guys are on the right track..

jesuitsdidit

05-03-2009, 08:32 PM

wot dya wanna know?
NWO wants to rule the wld
simple.

kappy0405

05-03-2009, 08:34 PM

Kappy, the thing is you will never convince Christians that the PTB have created and promoted their faith. In their minds it is the one truth faith, and the idea that it could be a trick doesn't factor into their perception. This is true of every religious belief.

No they did not plan on supporting it forever though, only for one age, which is nearing its end, but not quite here yet, so the PTB still support it.

yup..

to be fair though, I guess I do agree with a bit of the OP to some extent. The ptb are certainly taking newage concepts and mashing them together with disinfo, thus creating their next religion for the masses. I think Scientology is a good example of this.. As you said, the age for the old religions is nearing its end, and they are moving on.

Somewhere in all the chaos of all the manufactured religions, the truth will come out eventually.

deany

06-03-2009, 10:57 AM

Anders Lindman

06-03-2009, 11:13 AM

They say in the video that Blavatsky was a satanist. I don't believe she was a satanist. The impression I get from reading what she wrote is that she was a New Age researcher. I have read the first part of Isis Unveiled and only found ordinary New Age information.

beldazar

06-03-2009, 11:17 AM

I found what this site said quite interesting regarding the 'new age' I havent seen your vid yet so I dont know if it fits what is said here....

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/voyagers/esp_voyagersindex13.htm#New%20Age%20Movement

New Age Movement

Last update: March 22, 2005

(See: False New Age Movement - below)

The New Age Movement represents the emerging Light, or enlightenment, within our mass psyche as we transition into a greater understanding of the mechanics of the multidimensional universe (Time Matrix) and our place within it.

As this enlightenment is in its infancy on our planet, very often the exploration of multi-dimensional reality is approached with excessive naiveté.

Frequently within this movement one is encouraged to open to multi-dimensional interaction without possessing enough knowledge about the nature of dimensional structure, and often surrenders personal power and the responsibility for consequences over to some designated authority within the multi-dimensional spectrum.

The New Age Movement represents a manifestation of our evolving Collective Consciousness, a natural attribute of evolving to "see beyond the veils" of 3-dimensional reality, which comes with activation of the 4th DNA strand within the greater design of our 12-strand DNA potentials.

(Millennium Round up Expose – Page 7)

The understanding shared by the New Age Movement and the Secret Government (See also: Illuminati) represents a conscious cognition and scientific validation of the existence of multi-dimensional structure, inter-dimensional operations and the existence of other sentient life forms from within the multi-dimensional universes that interact directly with Earth and its people.

Neither side realizes the whole structure, or the operational laws of nature within this multi-dimensional framework, and both are exploring these new frontiers to serve their intrinsic objectives.

From the Energy Healing, Channeling, Vortex/Chakra technologies and ET/Angelic contact of the New Age, to the EMP (Electro-magnetic pulse) technologies (See: HAARP), Remote viewing, Time-travel/Star Gate technologies and intruder ET Contact of the Secret Government.

(Millennium Round up Expose – Page 9)

The FALSE NEW AGE MOVEMENT...

The Anunnaki-dominated New Age "pseudo-Ascension" spiritual movement (most of it inspired by the "Templar Melchizedek" false ascension teachings of Anunnaki's Thoth, pre-Emerald Covenant Enoch, "Archangel Michael & Friends," "Jehovah," "Maitreya," "Lord Melchizedek and spiritual hierarchy", the Urantia etc...) inherently promotes a fear-based paradigm of "Light, Love and Pretend Away the Darkness (everything is all right)" dogma.

The Illuminati races within the infrastructure of the covertly metaphysically motivated Illuminati World Management Team, who serve as Fallen Angelic puppets, are being "played on" and manipulated by fear of personal survival and a desire for acquisition of power to prevent pain and create personal pleasure.

These are the same motivations behind the actions of the "spiritual" peoples of traditional New Age affiliation, who think worshiping an ancient book, or surrendering personal power to an external "God,"
ET," "Angel" or "Channel" is the ultimate expression of spiritual development and will "make everything all right."

Fear, the "Pleasure-Pain Principle" and Disinformation are the common control elements by which the Illuminati and Humans become easily misled into surrendering their power to something outside of themselves.

One this "outside source" has your power, compliance with the approval of that source becomes, implicitly, the only way to feel empowered.

(Voyagers II – Page 400)

eyepod

06-03-2009, 11:19 AM

I was just looking at some info that insinuates that the NWO is the new age/truth seeking ideology. Do they WANT us to believe in this and seek truth and begin 'ascension'

It's good to see people are questioning these things but I don't think you will find the answer you are looking for by asking on these forums. Simply because these forums themselves are a hot bed for people into the new age movement whether they realise it or not.

anthony65

06-03-2009, 11:38 AM

I found what this site said quite interesting regarding the 'new age' I havent seen your vid yet so I dont know if it fits what is said here....

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/voyagers/esp_voyagersindex13.htm#New%20Age%20Movement

New Age Movement.....

Fits very nicely...

Nuggets of truth are generally mixed in with loads of dirt (to put it politely).

Keep searching and sifting.

Question everything.

No heroes.

No sacred cows.

Be tolerant to yourself if you fall for something and give yourself a pat on the back if you see through it...

And keep plodding onward...

It's a jungle out there kid!

Humphrey Bogart

(and if he didn't ever say that, he should have) :D

kitchenmatt

06-03-2009, 11:42 AM

The way i see it is the new age movement began in the 60s and was heavily driven by the use of psychadelics such as LSD that offered the user a new and better version of reality. The ideas and vision that sprang from that period are imho some of the most inspiring and heartwarming that I have ever heard.

Richard Alpert (Ram Dass) on LSD - YouTube

Sinc then, due to the extreme fear that better things may take root, tptb have been squashing and distorting the truth to such an extent that anyone alluding to it are given the label weirdo/hippy/nutter etc and are confined to the margins of todays society.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

If we give in to this shit, the nazis have won.

eyepod

06-03-2009, 11:53 AM

anyone alluding to it are given the label weirdo/hippy/nutter etc and are confined to the margins of todays society.

Are you suggesting above that Leary was labelled by the Government as a weirdo/hippy/nutter because he was onto the truth? He was an asset of the CIA, he admits it himself. "Turn on, tune in, drop out"

From the book "Operation Mind Control"
I told Leary that, based on some of the documents I’d read, it seemed that he could have been just one of many scientist who’d been used without his knowledge by the CIA to conduct their mind control experiments.

“I’ve known this for ten years,” Leary said.

“You were witting of it?” I asked in surprise.

“Of course,” Leary said, leaning back in his chair with confidence.

I couldn’t believe my ears. The CIA had created the “Psychedelic Sixties” with Timothy Leary’s help?

“You were wittingly used by the CIA?” I asked again. “…During the sixties? You knew you were being used by the CIA?”

[...] “I knew I was being used by the intelligence agents of this country.”

“What were you doing for them?” I asked. “What the hell were you doing? Did they want you to turn the kids on, huh? Were they trying to make the kids see God and leave the Vietnam war alone?”

[...] “I’m asking you what was the CIA’s motive? What were you used for?” I said again.

“The CIA recognized what you probably haven’t recognized yet, that I’m a very important national asset…

“What can I say,?” Leary said.

That was Leary. He believed his own press releases.
He lit his half-smoked joint and continued. “Yeah. I saw in nineteen sixty-two or three, that there was a world struggle for the control of minds. That’s a crude way to say it… I saw, after Hiroshima, there would never be a big world war. World war would be at the neurological level, not at the level of tanks and planes and bombs… I proceeded as an intelligence agent since 1962, understanding that the next war for control of this planet and beyond, had to do with the control of consciousness. So I had to think very carefully about that…

I wanted my side to win the war…”

[...] I repeated the question: “Did you ever wittingly work for the CIA?”

“Yes,” he answered strongly. “I was a witting agent of the CIA, but, I’m not a willing agent of Nixon! I did everything in my power to throw out Nixon!” (So, it would appear, did the CIA.)

[...] “What are you doing for the CIA?” I said, disbelieving everything he said.

“I’m raising the intelligence of an elite… a very elite group of Americans,” he said.

anthony65

06-03-2009, 11:57 AM

Are you suggesting above that Leary was labelled by the Government as a weirdo/hippy/nutter because he was onto the truth? He was an asset of the CIA, he admits it himself. "Turn on, tune in, drop out"

From the book "Operation Mind Control"

Thanks Eyepod!

** My understanding is that the "New Age" is an offshoot of Blavatsky's Theosophy Movement.

Some nuggets of truth and lots of dirt...

Sift, sift, sift...

eyepod

06-03-2009, 12:10 PM

Thanks Eyepod!

** My understanding is that the "New Age" is an offshoot of Blavatsky's Theosophy Movement.

Some nuggets of truth and lots of dirt...

Sift, sift, sift...

Well exactly. Blavatsky is considered the "mother" of the new age movement.

Blavatsky taught in her book Secret Doctrine that Lucifer was "higher and older than Jehovah. She further expressed in her "great work" that Satan, under different god-names, is really an allegory of "Good, and Sacrifice, a God of Wisdom." Blavatsky believed that Satan was the only god of earth, "is one with the Logos," and is the "cosmic reflection of God.". Blavatsky also equated Lucifer with Jesus Christ.

Alice Bailey was a "disciple" of New Ager Blavatsky and Theosophy, she formed the Lucifer Publishing Company. Later renamed to the more politically correct Lucis Trust that the OP mentions.

The Lucis Trust is a NGO of the United Nations and is represented at weekly sessions at the UN in New York and Geneva and a member of the UN Economic and Social Council. The Lucis Trust are pushing for the establishment of a permanent "Age of Aquarius" ruled by one "christ" figure, "Lord of the Word" or Maitreya (the new age messiah) and a One World Religion...

You see where all this is leading? ;)

bowtiedaddy

06-03-2009, 12:10 PM

OP:

Yes and no.

To understand, you have to separate New Age and the Truth movement.

The New Age crap is NWO. They test it out on the Truth movement because they know it will be their biggest enemies. If they can get their absolute enemies to believe it, they'll have a much easier time getting some schmuck that doesn't know them from beans to believe it.

They attempt to control as much opposition as they can. They own the NRA, the ACLU, people like Michael Moore, and so on. They fund UFO conventions, run SETI... They try to infiltrate the truth movement, but haven't been as successful. They couldn't kill Icke or Jones, as it would create martyrs. They just discredit and try to counter them at any opportunity.

anthony65

06-03-2009, 12:14 PM

Well exactly.

Blavatsky taught in her book Secret Doctrine that Lucifer was "higher and older than Jehovah. She further expressed in her "great work" that Satan, under different god-names, is really an allegory of "Good, and Sacrifice, a God of Wisdom." Blavatsky believed that Satan was the only god of earth, "is one with the Logos," and is the "cosmic reflection of God.". Blavatsky also equated Lucifer with Jesus Christ.

Alice Bailey was a "disciple" of New Ager Blavatsky and Theosophy, she formed the Lucifer Publishing Company. Later renamed to the more politically correct Lucis Trust that the OP mentions.

The Lucis Trust is a NGO of the United Nations and is represented at weekly sessions at the UN in New York and Geneva and a member of the UN Economic and Social Council. The Lucis Trust are pushing for the establishment of a permanent "Age of Aquarius" ruled by one "christ" figure, "Lord of the Word" or Maitreya (the new age messiah) and a One World Religion...

You see where all this is leading? ;)

What a summary! :)

Lucifer the shining star or bright star or morning star or daily star... :confused:

Eyepod knows!

sophia_h

06-03-2009, 12:16 PM

I just don't get it. I thought I was onto something. I thought that because I realized the 'truth' I was better off and I was supposed to share this knowledge.

Now I'm confused. I don't know if the new age thinking is 'real' or if the NWO is the same thing as the new age/ascension thinking. But the more I think about it, the more sense it makes. For the new age era to be stealthly implemented by the government.
That would be an extremely intelligent execution of the new era; make the NWO seem like a 'conspiracy' to those who are 'awake' as the government entices more and more people to seek out the new age/ascenscion band wagon without us ever knowing it was them all along that brought us here to this way of thinking.

I think, for now, that no one knows the 'truth' and

if we did know the truth,
we would never know that we knew.

LIFE IS ONE BIG FIBONACCI OF 'TRUTH'.

Thanks for all of your comments! :o

Please know that whenever you are in a confused place and feeling
as if nothing makes sense it is simply some of the TRUTH bubbling up from
your subconscious to your surface mind

Always when we are about to have one of our epiphanies we get into
confusion as the old belief is pushed up and out and the CORE belief
can burst into blossom!

This will pass and you will feel more open and connected again.

Other old hidden TRUTHS will boil and bubble and you will arrive again at
a place of confusion and frustration, and another epiphany

there is no end to the TRUTHS that we have in our INNER UNIVERSE

there is not a place of THE TRUTH
there are a million facets so arrriving at one awareness crux is NOT
the end of our journey

we realize one TRUTH/CORE BELIEF and life calms down and then we get
into aother agitated state and another rises and life calms down and
so on...

you are doing great

if life were forever mundane we would be Spiritually comatose. ;)

`

bowtiedaddy

06-03-2009, 12:18 PM

This kind of leads me to the point of:

Okay... so why are they allowing certain bits of info to leak. Well? Yes, for this purpose... to get us to believe their new religion. They leave little trails of breadcrumbs for us to sift through, purposefully letting us see it so that we will have more chance of joining them. For example: A lot of people on this site practically beg for the NWO with their views. Every NWO policy. Killing off all old world religions (by infiltrating them and then giving the illusion that it's just "the Jews", or "the Arabs", or "the Vatican", or "the fundamentalist Christians" or even the Luciferian pawns that are at the "top of the pyramid).

They've been testing out their new religion with the secret societies, and they are now just allowing it to leak to get everyone to follow what they've planned for us. I have no doubt that many of the public figures actually believe this garbage. I think the bankers are laughing their asses off. They just created very sociopathic mindless pawns to control people for them.

kitchenmatt

06-03-2009, 12:20 PM

Are you suggesting above that Leary was labelled by the Government as a weirdo/hippy/nutter because he was onto the truth?
i am suggesting that some of the ideas expressed by some of the people involved in that movement were beautiful and, if acted upon, could change all our lives for the better. did you watch the richard alpert vid? what did you think?

bowtiedaddy

06-03-2009, 12:22 PM

One word will clear a lot of this up.

Compartmentalization.

It explains A LOT.

Anders Lindman

06-03-2009, 12:29 PM

Blavatsky taught in her book Secret Doctrine that Lucifer was "higher and older than Jehovah. She further expressed in her "great work" that Satan, under different god-names, is really an allegory of "Good, and Sacrifice, a God of Wisdom."

I haven't read the Secret Doctrine. In Isis Unveiled I haven't seen anything like that so far. I wonder if the Secret Doctrine was written after Isis Unveiled. Maybe she turned to the dark side of the Force. :eek:

eyepod

06-03-2009, 12:44 PM

i am suggesting that some of the ideas expressed by some of the people involved in that movement were beautiful and, if acted upon, could change all our lives for the better. did you watch the richard alpert vid? what did you think?

I hadn't watched, but I just did. In my opinion is just a load of psycho babble.

I've done nearly every drug out there at some point except DMT and some of the South American plants etc. I have spent time in rehab for drug addiction in the past. I've done LSD approximately 5 times, two of these occassions were very heavy micro dots. Magic mushrooms about the same number of time. There was nothing enlightening about these experiences in my opinion, it was a lot of fun and giggles, a lot of weirdness and some fear and paranoia in equal measure at various points.

The last time I did LSD I was convinced at one point I was Adolf Hitler and had started WWIII, not a bad trip but extremely weird.

A friend completely lost the plot on this occassion and we thought he was going to be a cabbage for ever more, luckily he pulled out of it. I have another friend who is a drug induced paranoid schizophrenic, sectioned numerous times from taking far too many drugs of vareing kinds. He is convinced he is son of the Queen of England as one of her eggs was stolen and impregenated by dark forces resulting in him :D. Hmmmn elightenment ;)

Drugs just throw a spanner in the works of your mind, just like alcohol does. They can be useful in makeing you look at things from a different perspective but ultimately they are just drugs and not a solution to the worlds problems or some kind of short cut to the holy grail of "elightment."

Just my opinion since you asked...

element

06-03-2009, 12:46 PM

People think it's the 'endtimes' and fear the unknown. Look at all the guru stuff and fear of the east in the video.

But this is nothing new.
In the renaissance people discovered more about ancient Rome and Greece. Ofcourse the christians were afraid to lose their influence and thought of satan and demons!

Around 150 years ago there was a lot of interest in Egypt, the near Middle-East and also Japan. Ofcourse the christians were afraid to lose their influence and thought of satan and demons!

In these times there's a lot of interest in the Indian religions and their teachings. Ofcourse the christians are afraid to lose their influence and think of satan and demons!

It's about new discoveries, revisits and inspiration. The only people that don't seem to evolve at all are the christians. They are still the same superstitious and fearful as in the middle ages.

kitchenmatt

06-03-2009, 12:50 PM

I hadn't watched, but I just did. In my opinion is just a load of psycho babble.

I've done nearly every drug out there at some point except DMT and some of the South American plants etc. I have spent time in rehab for drug addiction in the past. I've done LSD approximately 5 times, two of these occassions were very heavy micro dots. Magic mushrooms about the same number of time. There was nothing enlightening about these experiences in my opinion, it was a lot of fun and giggles, a lot of weirdness and some fear and paranoia in equal measure at various points.

The last time I did LSD I was convinced at one point I was Adolf Hitler and had started WWIII, not a bad trip but extremely weird.

A friend completely lost the plot on this occassion and we thought he was going to be a cabbage for ever more, luckily he pulled out of it. I have another friend who is a drug induced paranoid schizophrenic, sectioned numerous times from taking far too many drugs of vareing kinds. He is convinced he is son of the Queen of England as one of her eggs was stolen and impregenated by dark forces resulting in him :D. Hmmmn elightenment ;)

Drugs just throw a spanner in the works of your mind, just like alcohol does. They can be useful in makeing you look at things from a different perspective but ultimately they are just drugs and not a solution to the worlds problems or some kind of short cut to the holy grail of "elightment."

Just my opinion since you asked...

lol. thanks for that:)

sophia_h

06-03-2009, 01:06 PM

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i am suggesting that some of the ideas expressed by some of the people involved in that movement were beautiful and, if acted upon, could change all our lives for the better. did you watch the richard alpert vid? what did you think?

You are right there.

During the enlightenment movement of the 60's

( its still gong on but honed and refined )

I had a business in Manhattan and many responsibiities for the support
of others. The drug dealers that catered to the wealthy parts of the
city , my crowd, were often hippies and users of all the newest mind
altering goodies. My circle got to to listen to hours of their ramblings
when we got deliveries and all got stoned together and we were
amazed as at the insights and Spiritual levels they achieved under the influence!

I so wished I could drop out and follow the tuned in crowd:p;)

But my use of mind altering sustances has been mostly at ritual
settings and some times with others involved in same.
..great visions !

Humanity needs the Old Goddess Temples where people went to
tune in with guides or in ritual settings in safe conditions.

People can read teachers like Blavassky and decide what rings with
their INNER GUIDES and stop reading others opinions of Blavatsky,
Bailey, and those who worked to assist humanity.

Both of them have had a profound efffect in my life, blessed be.

No one is perfect. Take what you feel comfortable with from
Blavatsky and such and let the rest just rest...

Maybe go back years later and study more.
Find other sources and compare.
MAKE YOUR OWN DECISIONS
knowing you will continue to grow and open to wider horizons:D

Such is our path, each in our own way.

~
Jedem das Seine
~

SO of course we sampled many goodies.
And YES the people need access to mind altering substances
but with instructions in safe use

Whatever is in the teachings of Blavatsky and Bailey and most
researchers is available to you and me within.

But we cant take off from our reponsibilities to drop out and tune in so
we have to study and evaluate on our own to feel what resonates with
our CORE.

as we individually clean up our INNER LANDSCAPE we are more
able to access our CORE

and our own light shines out and attracts more back to us.

TRUST your INNER CORE

NOT your emotions that are the mechanisms by which TYRANNY
controls YOU.

This is the path to peace
not demanding all people accept one persons fantasies of peace

those who demand we bow to sweetness and light as they see it
are blocking thier own progress and attempting to block yours and mine
control freaks/ego trippers

every path is individual...

~
Jedem das Seine
~

just as Daisies are different from Roses or Irises.

allow others to believe as they wish
is a key concept in this New Age.

~

lostinstrangeworld

06-03-2009, 01:34 PM

The purest truth can only be found within.

As for the rest....it's in the doors of percption....many ways of looking at things....seeing the bad in things or the good......or seeing balance.....who knows....

What is "new age" is not really "new".

lostinstrangeworld

06-03-2009, 01:34 PM

One size does not fit all.

beldazar

06-03-2009, 04:14 PM

ranran

06-03-2009, 04:16 PM

Hope this helps you realize your not alone-

I had a very disturbing thought last night. According to some folks (DI himself included) ALL religions were created and crafted by the Illuminati. This means that the "ending" as reported in places like the Bible, Mayan Calendar, etc. were in fact written by the Brotherhood and therefore they could be telling everyone, "Things down here may suck, but there's always the afterlife."

What if all these beliefs about Heaven, Paradise, Ascension, etc. are all there to lull us into believing things will ultimately be OK.

Example-
Christians are expecting Jesus to return and set things right. Since the Brotherhood created Christianity, they said this would happen. What if they said he would set things right, when in fact, he's one of them and part of the group that will destroy us all.

Other religions are the same kinda deal. They await a savior, leader, whatever, that is on their side. As far as things like a "convergence" in 2012, leading to "cosmic consciousness" where we escape this "reality" how do we know they didn't create that hype too?

What I've begun to notice is that the PTB seem to have the idea "we can hide the truth out in the open and the people are too stupid or lazy to figure out the deal."

At the end of the day, you can only follow your heart. Best advice I can give is to improve the world around you and yourself. In doing this, you end up being better off.

oiram

06-03-2009, 04:55 PM

New age infiltration of the truth movement.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
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YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

http://waronyou.com/forums/index.php?topic=7074.0
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Yes it appears its is limited to 4 vids per post I'll remember that.
Perhaps you could make a thread in general discussion for sticking on the finer points of html. Im sure peeps would find it very useful.

Anyway I think its time to make a New Age 'prophet' watch list for today.

AVOID THESE PEOPLES PHILOSOPHIES, THEY ARE LUCIFERIAN/ILLUMINATI

1. Any politician or public servant who practices the dark arts and yet still claims to speak for God.
2. Benjemin Creme.
3. Jordan Maxwell
4. David Icke (though slowly regaining his grip on reality)
5. Micheal Tsarion

Anyone else have any to add?

http://waronyou.com/forums/index.php?topic=7074.0

oiram

06-03-2009, 05:02 PM

Maitreya. A demon to proclaim himself savior of the world?http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/editor/createlink.gif[/IMG] (http://waronyou.com/forums/index.php?topic=6019.0)"]
Ok I try to steer clear of endtime stuff. Its distracts people from living in the here and now. Plus I have heard of the history of those proclaiming the end of the world and they are discredited all the time when the end doesn't come.
How do we all come to the truth, in the end we in the truth movement no matter what faith can agree that we have come to know the tree by its fruits. We see evil in the world and our enquiry leads those with truth and justice in their hearts to seek the reasons for that evil, be it Gaza or just people you know. It has lead many of us those we call so called awake (or enlightened!) people to the reality of the global system for control we have come to know by many names, most of all the New World Order. This is supposed to be the fruit of this tree of power, yet we have come to see that the tree is riddled with disease. Many of us want to head straight to the tool shed and grab the nearest axe before the fruit is ripe. However we are the fruit of another tree the good tree, which though a sappling now will rise as a mighty redwood dwarfing the diseased tree and covering it from the light for all time. There is no need to usurp this order, for good shall win (call me a hopeless optimist!).

Now onto theology and prophecy.

The only way to approach the end time scenario is through the vision of theology as all of those who are aethists and believe that reason will conquer all, I say it is reason that got us into this touble in the first place! Should I rather say reason unfettered by wisdom and love.
No we all understand that there is an intensly spiritual core to this NWO, the secret societies occult practices too numerous to mention, and if you are reading this now and don't know this fact start with Bohemian Grove and work it out from there. That is Molech refered to in the bible as one of the gods of Babylon, whom alot of Jews of Moses' time worshipped whilst in exile, forgetting or rejecting their faith in one God who's first commandment is
I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery;

Do not have any other gods before me.

You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me,

The tribes of Israel once in exile were severally diminished, some tribes were lost to the gentiles (and occultists) totally if not physically then spiritually.

This occultic 'Jewish' practise the Kabbala amonst other non Torah texts had their origins in exile and permeated the society damaging the religion. Many Jews stayed in Israel during the exile periods too who practised their new occult religions handed down since the very beginnings of civilisation organised society. These wide and varying religions are occult only if they place the worship of oneself and objects made by the hand of Man above the worship of God.

Jesus in his first coming dispelled the evil practises and teachings found in the non Torah and wrong Torah interpretations by man which had come in when Israel was exiled repeatedly. The return to Jerusalem for the Jews from their exile before in Babylon until the fall of the temple and their final expulsion from the land in AD70. The Jews accept that expulsion from the land of Israel can only be undone on Gods intervention, which is a good reason to say that the Rothschild's Zionist underhand evil agenda is not a miracle of God.

That the Jews were Gods chosen people is very significant. They stood as the lone beacon of Gods revelation through the prophets of God. This is what prophecy means, not knowing the future but being a channel of God's word. Jesus said you will not know the day or hour of my return. Those that claim they do are transparent liars if they call themselves Christian or Muslim and should not be followed.

So who is this Maitreya then? Maitreya was the given name of Lord Budda. The enlightened being. The path of Buddhism leads to enlightenment or Nirvana. Opening the third eye etc. Now we know that although Buddhism has always sounded great and peaceful and the examples of those such as the Dhalai Llama are inspirational, we must see the extraordinary parallels between that religion and the Lucerfinarianism of the NWO.
Whats this got to do with today? Why are you attacking Buddhists? I here you all asking. Honestly I have always thought kindly of the religion, however after weeks/months studying the NWOs religion/theology (lucerfinafian) one can not help but draw the same parallels.
Yes even so I here you say you're still attacking. What if I was to say to you that Maitreya is alive and well and living in London!
WOW.
It is true. This guy or thing exists. He and his followers claim him to be the global teacher. The Christ to Christians, the Mahdi to Muslims etc etc.
just another wacko cult leader? Not so. If I was to tell you he and his organisation were backed by the UN what would you say?
It is the truth. He already has many important people in his back pocket of all faiths.
He has worked miracles, healing and disappearing into nothingness. Awesome!
Here is what his website says

http://share-international.org/maitreya/Ma_main.htm

Who is Maitreya?

He has been expected for generations by all of the major religions. Christians know him as the Christ, and expect his imminent return. Jews await him as the Messiah; Hindus look for the coming of Krishna; Buddhists expect him as Maitreya Buddha; and Muslims anticipate the Imam Mahdi or Messiah.

MaitreyaAlthough the names are different, many believe that they all refer to the same individual: the World Teacher, whose personal name is Maitreya (pronounced my-tray-ah).

Preferring to be known simply as the Teacher, Maitreya has not come as a religious leader, or to found a new religion, but as a teacher and guide for people of every religion and those of no religion.

At this time of great political, economic and social crisis Maitreya will inspire humanity to see itself as one family, and create a civilization based on sharing, economic and social justice, and global cooperation.

He will launch a call to action to save the millions of people who starve to death every year in a world of plenty. Among Maitreya's recommendations will be a shift in social priorities so that adequate food, housing, clothing, education, and medical care become universal rights.

Under Maitreya's inspiration, humanity itself will make the required changes and create a saner and more just world for all.

Benjamin Creme-The prophet of the anti-christ

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=v2IWoxbY8DY

last words sound like a threat to me! Anyway he proclaims himself to be like John the Baptist proclaiming the coming Messiah.

William Cooper on Matreya:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zO2oliRgVEA
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kvLDlKaCtNo
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qvYg_Y7-33Y
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tOombiPxmkI

http://dc-international.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=189:maitreya-according-to-benjamin-creme&catid=117&Itemid=42

Maitreya

- According to Benjamin Creme

One manifestation of the Age of Aquarius which repeatedly has had a high profile is the announcement of the pending reappearance of " Christ", also called the "World Teacher", made by Benjamin Creme. Especially noticeable were the full page advertisements placed in major newspapers in Great Britain and other parts of the world.
Christ and Krishna

Benjamin Creme teaches that "the Christ" is the same as the Lord Maitreya, as the Messiah, as the Iman Mahdi, and as Krishna. According to Creme, the adherents of Christianity, Buddhism, Judaism, Islam and Hinduism are waiting for these beings to come. Also according to Creme, "these are all names for one individual".1

This equation of Christ with the leaders of other world religions is familiar to students of the "New Age" movement and of two of its historical tributaries, guruism and theosophy. Therefore it is no surprise to read in the writings of Benjamin Creme that he regards himself as following in the pattern of the teachings of H.P. Blavatsky and A.A. Bailey, both of whose teachings are quoted from time to time by Creme.
Final preparations?

The advent of Creme´s "Christ" has followed a rocky path since he came to London from the Himalayas on July 19, 1977. Resembling the Jehovah´s Witnesses´ failed prophecies of Armageddon, the Maitreya´s "Day of Declaration" was a non-event in 1982. The disappointment which was evident in Creme´s newsletters of that year has been replaced since by something like rationalization.
Has Christ returned?

In London on April 21-22 of this year, Maitreya is reported to have presided at a conference of around 200 dignitaries including journalists, and religious and political leaders from around the world. Maitreya is said to have outlined His teaching and work and His plans to appear to the public as soon as possible. The article continues, "He demonstrated His control over matter, time and space by appearing — and disappearing — several times".2 Creme says that this event was referred to by an American tabloid when it quoted a Vatican representative, Monsignor Biaggi, as saying, "There is overwhelming evidence that Christ´s return has already taken place, and that an announcement of this only awaits a final decision by the Pope".3 Once again the "Day of Declaration" is an imminent event, with the preparations for the public emergence of the "World Teacher" being described as "completed". We are now waiting for Maitreya to call "an open international press conference at which He will present His credentials to the world. This will lead quickly to the Day of Declaration".4

Others who accept A.A. Bailey´s general teaching about the coming of the "world Teacher" disagree with Benjamin Creme´s chronology. They say that his information from the Masters is coming to him in garbled fashion, and is therefore not accurate with regard to the timing of the Maitreya´s return.
Creme and Christ

As indicated, Benjamin Creme teaches a re-worked version of theosophy. He does not seek to disguise this, citing theosophical authorities like Alice Bailey. The usual emphases of theosophy may be detected in the teachings of Creme/Maitreya: one´s true self is divine, the traditional teachings of orthodox Christianity are wrong, and the Christian Scriptures cannot be understood literally. Concerning Christ particularly, the Incarnation is re-interpreted according to occultic (esoteric) teaching. Creme states that the Maitreya overshadowed Jesus in Palestine. Jesus, then a disciple of Maitreya, is now "Master Jesus".

In the same way, the second advent is re-interpreted so that Jesus is not personally returning; instead, Maitreya has returned himself.
Transmission

Not surprisingly, disciples of the Aquarian Maitreya employ meditation. It largely draws on familiar techniques of meditation such as focussing on a particular chakra (in this case the ajna chakra) and the use of a mantra. But "Transmission meditation" is not simply an individual spiritual discipline. Chiefly, it is a group meditation, and is seen as a means of transmitting energy from the "Spiritual Hierarchy" to the rest of existence. Mankind in fact is described as a clearing-house for energies from this "Hierarchy" to the world. This is similar to some other Aquarian groups which rely on Alice Bailey as an authority.
The view from above

A regular feature of Maitreya´s teaching are predictions concerning future world events, and comments on present situations as the end of the cold war (a little late for a prediction), earthquakes, hurricanes, floods and the release of Terry Waite.

Among his more unusual teachings, Maitreya has announced that the rate of the earth´s rotation has slowed. Lest this be confused with the long-familiar effects of the law of physics, the article continues, "This momentous event occurred at the end of July 1988, and will result in decisive changes, both in the short term and the long term in the earth´s atmosphere, in the air, on land and in the seas".5 In the same issue of Share International we learn that Maitreya has brought the earth and the sun closer together to warm the earth and thus increase food supplies.6 Unfortunately these two pieces of data and their accompanying interpretations are not easy to confirm.

1 The Times, Saturday April 24, 1982, "The Christ is Now Here", p. 5.

2 The Reappearance of the Christ and the Masters of Wisdom, Newsletter.

3 Ibid., quoting the National Examiner, May 22, 1990.

4 The Reappearance of the Christ and the Masters of Wisdom Newsletter, Autumn 1990.

5 Share International, vol. 9 no. 5., June 1990.

6 Ibid.

This Matreya and his organisation organisation of wise world teachers are the antichrist and disciples who will complete the dawning in of that new world. If you need further proof find out about the occultic nature and power of the theosophic society. They have accepted him and his demons since Mme. Helene Petrovna Blavatsky founded the society. Please research this occult high priestess! Then see how much theosophy has permeated elites and filtered down. Today I was especially taken aback when a presenter on bbc radio s Material world program started espousing the womens literature and whole heartedly reccommending it to the listeners, furthermore it was in reference to a piece of cutting edge imaging technology called ISIS- an egyptian God. Found this thread interesting http://www.***********************/forum1/message693370/pg1

'isis ra el [are]very powerful gods who demand very powerful sacrifices. The NWO dynasty is to built upon the blood of billions! ...'
. Please if you can find this. Most BBC content wont work without paying outside the UK.

No matter the angle you come from this Matreyia is the anti christ or him who will usher in the new World or the age of aquarius. Please if you value your souls do not be taken in by this no matter what wonders he performs he is the embodiment of the deciever. It will at first appear great but he shall bring us to the brink of destruction. Do not die believing him to be your saviour.

Ok I do believe we are living today by the grace of God, that is all that is stopping humanity being engulfed. I believe that the prayer and fasting of millions of all faiths who want to seek closer union with God is the Spiritual weapon which is fending off domminence, that and those who earnestly seek the truth no matter where it leads and persue it to its conclusion, not shying away from denouncing very real evil. He was supposed to have revealed himself in '87 to the world. That has been put on hold. You think if the real Jesus came back he would give prophesy of his return then not show up? hahaha, right. God had to reschedule? Come on.

I will post more on this subject or rather its antithesis when I can bring myself to bring my own personal revelation to light here. I would love to share but I really don't want scorn or ridicule nor to detract in anyway from the message through my own fault.
Suffice to say at the moment that one of John the Bapists close relations is here today fullfilling that role nicely since 1531 so there cannot possibly be another John out there proclaiming something else entirely unless professing the Anti-Christ.
The message of the messenger of God. Peace through Prayer, fasting and reconcilliation. No world governance or death.
I'm sure a few will know exactly who I am talking of.

http://waronyou.com/forums/index.php?topic=6019.0

oiram

06-03-2009, 05:04 PM

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David Icke, though a leading protagonist against the NWO is perfect for the agenda of the revealing of Maitreya whilst being anti-illuminati. Im pretty sure Maitreya has the fooled too lol. The devil corrupts for his own power. The eye on the top of the pyramid is not the eye of the illuminated man it is that of what we call the devil. The embodiment of antigoddliness.
We all came to our own understandings of the Illuminati through various means. That there is a secret cabal of elites is agreed amongst us. What to do about it and what their agenda is is a matter of speculation. That the astrological, occultic crap they practise leads to this new religion established and presumably their messiah they have created the path for. He will not come until the time is right so that he will not affect the free will of the people is what Share.org Benjamin Cremes prophetic outlet gives for the reason that although predicted to reveal himself as the Messiah soon to all he has had to postpone until those conditions are right.
The hippy movement was created, all that dawning of the age of aquarius stuff is occultic in the deepest sense and espoused by this lot.
Same with all the theosophist leaders from Blavatsky to Alice Baley. The theosophist movement which the NWO is so enamoured of is the Luciferian/Satanic/occultic what ever philosophy/religion of the plan for on New World Order. Maitreya and his teachers must be refused. One World or No world is a false dichotomy.

Read this
http://amazingdiscoveries.org/the-new-age-movement-and-maitreya.html

The New Age Movement and Maitreya

The new age movement essentially teaches that mankind is moving into an age of enlightenment. The Age of Pisces the fish with its emphasis on formal religion is to be replaced by the Age of Aquarius, or the Age of Enlightenment.

The term �new age� is derived from astrology. The zodiac which originated in ancient Babylon consists of twelve signs and it takes about 25,000 years for our solar system to move through these star signs.

The new age movement essentially teaches that mankind is moving into an age of enlightenment. The Age of Pisces the fish with its emphasis on formal religion is to be replaced by the Age of Aquarius, or the Age of Enlightenment. Each age covers a period of supposedly two thousand years, and has its own zodiacal sign and planetary force.

When a transition takes place from one Age to another and hence from one sign to another, certain Adepts who for centuries may have been preparing for their office by meditation and study, take over the work of inspiring the new cycle. For nearly two thousand years the earth has been under the watery sign Pisces ruled by Neptune, the main features of which have been the establishing of Christianity and the conquest of the ocean. Now the new cycle has begun, Aquarius, an airy sign, is influencing men�s minds along scientific lines in every direction, especially towards the conquest of the air.

In the Age of Enlightenment, mankind is to experience a new birth and to be initiated into a higher state of consciousness reflecting the godhood within humanity. Essentially the doctrines of the new age imply that man is inherently divine in a pantheistic sense. Moreover it is implied that the material human element has evolved over successive lives, and that the spiritual element is immortal and coexists with God since time began.

According to new age philosophy, the change from one phase to another occurs under the mediation of enlightened ones who have accumulated the wisdom of the ages. World affairs have ever been run by Ascended Masters who periodically intervene in the earth�s affairs. The new age is awaiting the Maitreya, or the Christ, who will assist mankind in its rebirth. To the Christians, he is to appear as Christ, to Hindus as the Krishna, to Islam as the Iman Madhi, and to the Orient as the Bodhi-sattva. His office is that of World Teacher, and he presides over the destiny of great religions.

The Ascended Masters, speaking through earthly channels, claim to have influenced mankind for thousands of years, and with each millennium, there is a change in approach. It is taught that essentially nine world teachers or masters have influenced age transitions over the ages and that numerous spirit entities have assisted in bringing mankind to the age of enlightenment. These enlightened ones can exist in ethereal form or as incarnations. The nine masters are:

The Master Hilarion who claims to have been St. Paul in a previous incarnation. According to new age insiders, he maintains a Cretan body and spends much of his time in Egypt. The Master Morya who is a Rujput Prince residing in Shigatse, who occupied Akbar�s body in a previous incarnation. The Master Koot Hoomi Lal Singh who is of Kashmiri origin and was supposedly Pythagoras in one of his previous incarnations, also resides at Shigatse. The Master Jesus, whose previous incarnations include Joshua, son of Nun and Jesus of Nazareth lives in disguise somewhere in the Holy Land. According to new age theology, �The Master Jesus� did not act on his own behalf when he resided on earth as Jesus of Nazareth, but was then overshadowed (a type of possession) by the Maitreya, or by the Christ. The Venetian Master who claims to have been the reincarnation of the painter Paul Veronese. The Master Mahachohan�s work is to gauge correctly and counteract if necessary, the conflicting forces in space. The Master Serapis is known for his work with Deva Evolution, and his dwelling place may not be revealed.

The nine so-called Great Ones who have inspired the cycles of mankind are so advanced in their thinking and approach, that their teachings supposedly fall like music on the ears of mankind.

The combined notes of these nine Great Ones create a chord of harmonious sound in heaven, yet within the aura of the earth for its helping. He who has learnt to hear this exquisite music has done so by first listening to the note of his own Master, on the inner planes and during meditation. Aspire towards Him Whom you feel to be your own Master if you would hear on earth, albeit faintly at first, that note which shall ultimately harmonize your heart with His.

There are also other Ascended Masters significant to the new age. Each one with a particular message for a particular time period or situation. The teachings of the New Age are steeped in eastern mysticism and in the occult. It forms part of the revival of the ancient Babylonian hierarchy where enchanters, astrologers and mystics would work alongside Chaldean priests in religious and state matters. When Nebuchadnezzer had his dream he consulted these �wise men� to seek an interpretation:

Then the king commanded to call the magicians, and the astrologers, and the sorcerers, and the Chaldeans, for to shew the king his dreams. So they came and stood before the king. Daniel 2:2

This system of pagan hierarchy was not only confined to Babylon, but was the all pervading system of most pagan cultures. It is appealing to man to have a religion steeped in mysticism and to have diviners and fortune tellers revealing the unknown. This deceptive system even crept into the ranks of the Israelites and this thinking contaminated their own religion. This prompted the prophet Jeremiah to warn his people:

Therefore hearken not ye to your prophets, nor to your diviners, nor to your dreamers, nor to your enchanters, nor to your sorcerers, which speak unto you, saying, Ye shall not serve the king of Babylon. Jeremiah 27:9

The age of enlightenment in which we live today will yet prove to be an age of great spiritual darkness. The same systems exist today in modern cloaks. Governments consult mediums and astrologers and even the most respected politicians of the day make use of the same list of consultants, as did the king of Babylon.

The Bible teaches that the wages of sin is death, and that God had made it perfectly clear in Eden, that if Adam and Eve were to transgress the law of God, they would have to suffer the consequences - the consequences being the forfeiture of immortality. It is the serpent that beguiled Eve to transgress the law of God by partaking of the forbidden fruit. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was a test of obedience to the Edenic pair. There was no virtue in abstinence from the tree itself. The virtue lay in obedience to God�s requirements.

According to the Biblical account, Satan questioned God�s intent with the placing of the tree of good and evil in the middle of the garden.

Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman, �Yea, hath God said,�Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden�?� Genesis 3:1

In her answer to the serpent (the serpent being the medium through which Satan spoke), Eve makes it quite clear that she fully understood what God had said.

And the woman said unto the serpent, �We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, 'Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.' Genesis 3:2,3

Satan counters with the first two lies spoken to mankind, namely: �You shall not surely die�, and �You will be like God�.

And the serpent said unto the woman, �Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods; knowing good and evil.� Genesis 3:4,5

The twin lies of human immortality and innate divinity have ever been Satan�s foundation for his counterfeit religion throughout the ages. It is through these twin lies that Satan can divert the importance of seeking salvation in Christ from the minds of men. With immortality, we do not need Christ to regain something we have not lost. With divinity, we become His equal and capable of saving ourselves. With this masterpiece of Satan, the plan of salvation becomes futile. The success he achieved in Eden is a success he has enjoyed throughout the ages, and particularly at the end of time, his strategy that proved to be so successful in Eden would ensnare the great majority of men before the great and terrible day of the Lord. The Biblical account shows us that the very character of Satan was transferred to mankind.

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat... Genesis 3:6

By desiring to be like God, it is not only the tenth commandment which is broken, but the first as well. Coveting the position of God and desiring to place yourself in the place of God will eventually culminate in breaking all the commandments of God, thus making the law of God null and void. This has been demonstrated amply in the history of mankind.

The pure teachings of the Scriptures stood as a bulwark against satanic delusions, but over time, the great truths have been buried under the rubble of counterfeit doctrines. The twentieth century, in many ways an age of great advancement and scientific wonders, is also an age of terrible spiritual declension. Prophetically we are living in the last days of the final conflict between the gospel of Jesus Christ and Satan, and the new age movement is Satan�s master plan to counteract truth.

The modern new age has its origin in spiritism, and the communication with spirit beings. As the Bible teaches that the dead are in a state of unconsciousness (See The Mystic Realm of Death), these spirit beings must represent demonic forces masquerading as men. Indeed, the Bible teaches that in the last days, people will be studying the doctrines of devils, and we should have no dealings with demonic forces.

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils. 1Timothy 4:1

But I say that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils and not to God. And I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of devils; you cannot be partakers of the Lord�s table and of a table of devils. 1Corinthians 10:20,21

A more refined form of spiritism tending to combine Christian concepts is a feature of new age theology, commencing in the mid-19th century. The founder of the Christian Science movement, Mary Baker Eddy, was one of the first to teach the immortality of the soul and the innate deity of man. In her book Science and Health with a Key to the Scripture, the age old principles of gnosticism, pantheism, Hinduism, and dualism, are once again mingled with Christian concepts. The twin Satanic lies spoken in Eden are reiterated in her writings. A few statements from her book should suffice to demonstrate her position:

Evil has no reality. It is neither person, place nor thing but is simply a belief, an illusion of material sense.[iii]

Let us remember that harmonious and immortal man has existed for ever.[iv]

Death. An illusion, the lie of life in matter...Any material evidence of death is false, for it contradicts the spiritual fact of being.[v]

Man and woman as co-existent and eternal with God forever reflect in glorified equality the infinite Father-Mother God. [vi]

Soul is the divine principle of man, and never sins, hence the immortality of the soul.[vii]

The Mormons maintain similar concepts. The Mormon Doctrine of Covenants states:

Ye were also in the beginning with the Father. Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.

Brigham Young, the great Mormon leader, reportedly said,

The devil told the truth about godhead. I do not blame mother Eve. I would not have her miss eating the forbidden fruit for anything. Through the gift of sin, humanity can achieve godhood.

Modern New Age channels and books reiterate the same concept:

Virginia Essene, a modern channel states that �Jesus� said through her:

Death is the Creation of humanity, not of God. This is the simple truth.

The forerunner of the new age movement is the Hindu reformation movement (1830-1870). A central teaching of this movement is Bahti, the teaching that the divine nature is approached by directed meditational concentration and visualisation. Hindu gurus fall under the control of a secret organisation called the Visha Hindu Parishad. Such groups include Rama Krishna, Vedanta movements, Hare Krishna, ISKON, 3HO, the Theosophical Society, and many Yoga groups. Their stated aim is to unify all religions. The history of this apostasy can be traced back to Babylon, and has been maintained throughout the ages. In the time of Christ, the Essenes adhered to occultic teachings and later they were initiated into a brotherhood, called Sufis. Those in charge of these mystical organisations are known as the Masters of Wisdom. Currently the Great White Brotherhood, with its headquarters in Tibet is the source to which most occultic organisations can be traced, including the Order of the Rosy Cross, Ordo Templi Orientis, The Bavarian Illuminati, and even the Jesuits. According to a prominent occultist, Elisabeth van Buren, the Great White Brotherhood is led by Sanat Kumara (�Sanat� being a scrambling of the word �Satan�).

Symbols used by the New Age Movement are essentially the same as those used by the Jesuit Order and Freemasonry, and we can trace their origin to Babylon and Egypt. Freemasonry uses the acronym �Solomon� and Solomon�s temple to give legitimacy to their rituals, but the rituals are essentially the same as found in all pagan secret societies. Sol � om � on are the names of the solar deity in Latin, Eastern mysticism and ancient Egyptian mysticism. The �born again� experience of Freemasonry and many other secret societies and religious bodies cannot be equated with the Biblical concept of conversion, since they entail rituals such as lying in a coffin and being raised to a life of enlightenment by a master. Moreover, the temple rituals are precisely those that God instructed His people not to follow since they involve the glorification of celestial bodies. Temple terminology, Mithraism, Eastern Religions, and modern Christianity are all equated in the New Age and placed in the context of Babylonian mysteries � the new religion for the New Age. Their own writing illustrate this point:

... the two pillars of Jachin and Boaz... came into being approximately eight thousand years ago. Then came Taurus, the Bull, wherein Mithra came as the world Teacher and instituted the Mysteries of Mithras with an (apparent) worship of the Bull. Next followed Aries the Ram, which saw the start of the Jewish Dispensation which is of importance to the Jews and unfortunately of importance to the Christian religion, but of no importance to the untold millions in the other parts of the world; during this cycle came the Buddha, Shri Krishna and Sankaracharva; finally we have the age of Pisces the Fishes, which brought to us the Christ. The sequence of the Mysteries which each of the signs of the Zodiac embodies will be clarified for us by the Christ.[viii]

Leading up to the final World Religion, a preparatory work was done by a number of mystics to pave the way for the acceptance of this mindset. The modern Theosophy Movement was spread largely through the efforts of Helen Petrovna Blavatsky, who stayed with Koot Hoomi, one of the Masters, and was instrumental in introducing the ancient occult ideas into Western civilization. Blavatsky�s book The Secret Doctrine contains much channeled material, and the twin lies of Eden are once again reiterated.

The High Priestess of the modern new age movement is undoubtedly Alice A. Bailey (1880-1949) who received messages from the Tibetan Master Djwal Khul, also known as D.K., who was a pupil of Koot Hoomi. Her famous writings include Problems of Humanity and The Reappearance of Christ. These writings were to prepare the world for a one-world government, one world religion, and universal acceptance of the Christ (Satan masquerading as an angel of light). Djwal Khul claims those associated with him will know him through the office of Alice A. Bailey. He further claims that:

I am a brother of yours, who has traveled a little longer upon the Path than has the average student, and has therefore incurred greater responsibilities. I am one who has wrestled and fought his way into a greater measure of light than has the aspirant who will read this article, and I must therefore act as a transmitter of the light, no matter what the cost. I am not an old man, as age counts among the teachers, yet I am not young and inexperienced. My work is to teach and spread the knowledge of the Ageless Wisdom wherever I can find a response, and I have been doing this for many years.[ix]

The essence of his message was that the new age mystic ideas camouflaged by the outer symbols of amulets and talismans, as well as such new age concepts as astrology, numerology, colour work, card reading, palmistry, pyramid power, natural healing, and eco-consciousness should eventually infiltrate all religions, and fueled by the acceptance of the twin lies of immortality and innate godliness, all would eventually come to accept the false Christ who would lead the world in a millennium of peace.

Djwal Khul instructed his followers to spread these doctrines through every conceivable channel, the media, the entertainment world, institutes of learning, and medicine, and that this should commence after 1975. Secret societies such as the FreeMasons, Illuminati, and those of religious orders would infiltrate the economies of the world, and prepare the great religious movements for unification, with acceptance of the bishop of Rome as the supreme religious ruler of the 20th century. Information as to how this should be achieved would be channeled by the Masters through selected individuals who would keep governments informed and allow for the planning of strategies. The world is being prepared for the final conflict between Christ and Satan.

The great Catholic visionary, Don Bosco, predicted in 1862 that the Pope would succeed to anchor the �gospel� ship between the twin pillars of the faith at the end of the twentieth century. The twin pillars he envisaged were those of the Eucharist and the veneration of Mary. The Eucharist is the symbol of a defeated Christ (Christ sacrificed again and again) and Mary is the symbol of the Solar deity or the great female personification of that deity, Isis, Artemis, Venus, Astarte or whatever one may call her. In New Age thinking, the goddess concept (the great earth mother) is also very prominent. BH* New Age proponent and psychologist Ken Wilber writes:

�The great goddess Kali of India when viewed in her highest form as the wife of Shiva, is a perfect example of the assimilation of the old Great Mother image into a new and higher corpus of Great Goddess mythology ... which serves actual sacrifice in awareness, not substitute sacrifice in blood. The �Fall� was an evolutionary advance and perfect growth, but it was experienced as a fall because it necessarily carried an increase in guilt, vulnerability and knowledge of mortality and finitude. By eating from the Tree of Knowledge, not only did men and women realize their already mortal and finite state, they realized they had to leave Eden�s subconscious�s and begin the actual life of true self. .... They did not get thrown out of the Garden of Eden; they grew up and walked out. (Incidentally, for this courageous act, we have to thank Eve, not blame.[x]

In contrast, the Bible has its pillars of faith, which rest on an entirely different foundation, namely obedience to God and faith in Jesus Christ:

Here is the patience of the saints. Here are the ones who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. Revelation 14:12

One of the first truly public advertisements for the new age was introduced through the musical Hair, where the lead song introduces the new age concept through the following words:

When the moon is in the seventh house

And Jupiter aligns with Mars �
Then Peace will guide the planets,

And love will steer the stars,

This is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius;

Harmony and Understanding,

Sympathy and Trust abounding,

No more falsehood or division,

Golden living, dreams of visions,

Mystical crystal revelation,

And the mind�s true liberation,

Aquarius! Aquarius! Aquarius!

The final battle for supremacy is a battle for the mind, no wonder then that the entertainment and media world should be a prime target for the introduction of the New Age philosophy. The great Hollywood entertainers of the 20th century were to be a prime target, and today we know that Masters speak through numerous channels (a modern name for a spiritualistic medium) and have in their clientele the prominent stars of the music and theatre world, such as Ramtha who speaks through J.Z. Knight to Shirley Maclaine, Burt Reynolds, Clint Eastwood, Richard Chamberlain, the late Joan Hacket, Shelley Fabares, Mike Farrell, and Linda Evans and many others. Shirley Maclaine is closely associated with an Indian yoga expert known as Bikram, who also has in his clientele stars such as Michael Jackson and Quincy Jones. Actor Richard Gere has commitments to Tibet, and Patrick Duffy and Tina Turner are committed Buddhists, embracing new age ideologies.

It is through these role models, that the minds of the 20th century generation must be attuned to new age concepts. A further avenue is that of computer technology. Computer games and software is largely produced by organizations which further the aims of occultism. The computer game Hexen, has an occult overtone ridiculing the book of Revelation and having as heroes precisely that trilogy which is identified as Babylon in the book of Revelation. Occult games of this nature are a prominent feature of the new age and the launch of Hexen was even planned for release on Devil�s Night (Halloween), Oct. 31, 1994.

The concepts of reincarnation, life after death, and the return of spirits to this earth are part and parcel of the entertainment world. Deceased stars are glorified or worshipped as gods (Elvis Presley), and miracles are attributed to others (Michael Landon). Modern TV shows are rife with after death experiences, second chance theology, communication with angels, angels that become men and have relations with women, and the list goes on and on. The world truly believes the twin lies of Eden.

The western mind was open for eastern mysticism, and from the worship of the dead to the worship of the living is merely a short step. Eastern gurus such as Sri Sathya Sai Baba in Ashram are worshipped as "Almighty God", and shrines are erected in western cities and houses to his honor. The German nation in particular is very receptive to the worship of Sai Baba. His message again is �Love your neighbor, peace, and God is in us all.� This is the false millennial teaching of peace and safety.

For the intellectuals, the new age theology finds its modern realization in the writings of Helen Schucman, a psychologist from the psychiatry department at Columbia University. After first resisting the inaudible voice of an Ascended Master, she finally consented to writing the great new age book for the modern mystic - a teacher�s manual as to how to achieve godhood, and to become like Christ, able to do all things that He could. The work is known as A Course in Miracles. In her own words, she describes the experience:

When I was first approached for this task, I had a constant questioning that demanded, �But why me? Why me, when there are so many other good people available?� And the answer came, in gentle support, �Because you wish to know the true me, are willing to serve, and have given me permission to enter your life.� Over and over again I was told that because this is a free will planet, all of us must ask to receive the spiritual ones � must agree to cooperate by our personal choice. [xi]

The evil hidden in this text is beyond description. Playing to the ego of man, Satan uses subtle lies to coerce man into cooperation with his schemes. It is gratifying however, that even Satan knows that man was created with the freedom of choice, and that by choosing the right side in the great conflict, he would have no right to control our minds.

In this channeled work, mankind, through a series of lessons, is initiated into the cultic mindset. Each lesson commences with a chant, reiterating the separateness of body and soul. �I am not a body. I am free�. The twin lies of there being no death and our innate divinity are constantly repeated:

There is no death, because the Son of God is like his Father. Nothing you can do can change Eternal Love. Forget your dreams of sin and guilt, and come with me instead to share the resurrection of God�s Son. And bring with you all those whom He has sent to you to care for as I care for you.[xii]

A further statement is: "I call upon God�s Name and on my own. " Thus making yourself equal with God

The Name of God is my deliverance

From every thought of evil and of sin.

Because it is my own as well as His. [xiii]

It is Satan�s strategy to divert the mind from sin and repentance, so that salvation will become obsolete. The same lies as concealed in the new age theology, find their entrance in the so-called Christian churches of our day. After his 1000th telecast of his Hour of Power, Dr. Robert Schuler was congratulated by Mother Theresa, Billy Graham, C. Scott King (widow of Martin Luther King), all the living presidents of the US as well as entertainer Sammy Davis Jr. Dr. Schuler said the following:

I believe the responsibility in this age is to positivise religion. (This does not have much bearing to you people being unity people, you are positive), but I speak about groups that are not positive even to what we would call fundamentalists who deal constantly with words like sin, salvation, repentance, guilt, and that sort of thing. I�m dealing with these people. What we need is to positivise the words that have only had a negative connotation. There is no greater damage that can be done than to refer to the lost sinful condition of man.

Note: Catholics do not worship Mary and do not see her as a Goddess. She intercesses to God for us and is known as the Queen of Peace. That Marian appiritions are and have occured are in no doubt in my mind but I accept that until you have seen or felt it you will not believe. All that is associated with Mary is Gods will. It is to she I referred to earlier. If you don't believe me I urge you to come to Medjugorje with me. Please read her messages to the world.
http://medjugorjeweb.com/faq.htm
All and any welcome, it is not officially sanctioned by the Vatican so please feel free even if you believe the Vatican to be the seat for the spirtual wing of the NWO. No conversion necessary. BTW thats jerusalem people!

If you here about how Benjamin Creme got his awakening it seems similar to Icke. The being talked to by spirits revealing secrets. The fact that he called himself Christ whilst having no understanding of Christ, talking of the false trinitarian Mother goddess stuff is b/s. He is a false prophet. A honey trap for the unwary.

However be wary of the bit on Catholisism and the veneration of Mary. We pray to Mary to intercede on our behalf before God as the mother of Jesus Christ. As we are brothers in Christ so she is our mother. No earth Mother Goddess.

(John 19:26,27)
[i]So Jesus, seeing his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing there, said to his mother, "Woman, behold your son." Then he said to the disciple, "Behold your mother!" And from that hour the disciple took her into his family.

as we can see here,

Luke 8:19-21:
[i]His mother came to him and his brothers also, and they were unable to get to him because of the crowds. And it was reported to him, "Your mother and your brothers are standing outside, wishing to see you." But he answered and said to them, "My mother and my brothers are those who hear the word of God and do it."

We definately do not worship Mary she is no Isis incarnate. She is human yet she does nothing miraculous herself, neither do any miracle workers. It is through the faith and the will of God that miracles are performed, not innate human goddliness. Jesus performed miracles in the name of God, through the spirit.

Jesus was Gods word incarnate in human form, the Son of God and God.

John 1:1
In the beginning, the Word existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Thats the divine mystery of the true trinity.

http://waronyou.com/forums/index.php?topic=6019.0

whiterain

06-03-2009, 05:13 PM

lol well i guess it depends what you mean by new age? if you mean in the sense of scaring people about nibiru or reptilian aliens who feed on people then i guess yes its more fear based nwo tactics. however there is nothing new about most new age ideas.

it seems unfortunately on this thread people are taking it to mean 'all spirituality is nonsense' a position i sadly used to hold myself.

eyepod im sorry you havent had the great experience with hallucinogens that many others have. i once was just the same after taking mushies and acid a few times, i didnt belive their was anything to that spirit stuff, but then finally i saw it. give it a go. it will certainly give you a more positive outlook on life, but go and do it with people who know what tey are doing and will be able to guide you through it

seanx

06-03-2009, 05:27 PM

whiterain wrote:

[QUOTE]it seems unfortunately on this thread people are taking it to mean 'all spirituality is nonsense' a position i sadly used to hold myself.Excellent point.
.

But these people are doing this on purpose. They want to
taint any idea that does not conform to their rationalist, or
religious testmark as 'new age fantasy'.

illuminati downfall

06-03-2009, 07:32 PM

I was just looking at some info that insinuates that the NWO is the new age/truth seeking ideology. Do they WANT us to believe in this and seek truth and begin 'ascension'

1. It's all over youtube/google.
2. Why more and more people are 'waking up'
3. David Icke/Alex Jones--They are not exactly seen as "threatening"
4. THE 'ALL SEEING EYE' on the dollar bill with the PYRAMID.

It might be a part of their NWO 'plan'.

If I may, I'd like to contribute my two cents on the OP's point. It does make sense in a way that people waking up now does seem perfectly timed. The thing is though, I think there is more to it than just the elites waking people up on purpose. (I think that's what you are implying. If I understood it wrong, sorry about that.) I think for one, that a mass awakening is the worst thing that could happen to them. Great for us of course because a mass group of people might just be enough to overthrow them, but of course they must know this too. Would they really take that kind of risk. Trying to see it from there angle, the risk seems huge. Better to keep the masses asleep and never let them know what's happened. I will admit though it does seem strange that it is becoming so easy, if we look, to spot eyes and pyramids everywhere. My thinking is that they are doing this to throw us off somehow, or that they have always been there and we just never noticed. Changing the symbols now would look more obvious then just leaving it alone, so they leave it be.

I can't help but think that the elites are in a hurry here now as well. Why are they in such a rush. They have waited centuries for their ultimate power, why rush it now? More people are awake now, and can figure it out, yet they are moving faster, at least it seems to me. They are getting bold and taking what look like huge risks, and all for what? My theory, though have really way way to support it, is that the illuminati are racing against some greater force... probably the great force that is waking the people up and that will send us into what many tern 'ascension.' If this happens, the elites game is up and it's all over. It seems to me that they simply will not accept a way to lose now that they are so close.

theqleaner

06-03-2009, 09:39 PM

http://www.theqleaner.com/images/colboard/ATT00002.gif

bowtiedaddy

07-03-2009, 12:32 AM

bowtiedaddy

07-03-2009, 12:36 AM

http://www.theqleaner.com/images/colboard/ATT00002.gif

hilarious site. I love the TIA disclaimer.

1977

07-03-2009, 12:40 AM

They build up their Fisher King, and they knock 'em down. "The Church of Man, love, is such a holy place to be," sang the Leper Messiah of Aquarius.

They say in the video that Blavatsky was a satanist. I don't believe she was a satanist. The impression I get from reading what she wrote is that she was a New Age researcher. I have read the first part of Isis Unveiled and only found ordinary New Age information.
No, not technically a Satanist. When she said that Satan was God in the world and one with the Logos, she was speaking an uncomfortable truth. ("I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star," sayeth the Amen.) That isn't to say that much of Theosophy isn't a whole lot of bullshit, though.

If this is the same video that has been posted before, the whole thing is rubbish. There are scads of death-and-rebirth sun deities going all the way back to the beginning of recorded history. The Sumerian Dumuzi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tammuz_(deity)), for example. A reference to this deity appears in the Bible itself, where women are shown "weeping for [the dead] Tammuz" before his resurrection.

l1ndsaystarr

07-03-2009, 05:45 AM

Please know that whenever you are in a confused place and feeling
as if nothing makes sense it is simply some of the TRUTH bubbling up from
your subconscious to your surface mind

Always when we are about to have one of our epiphanies we get into
confusion as the old belief is pushed up and out and the CORE belief
can burst into blossom!

This will pass and you will feel more open and connected again.

Other old hidden TRUTHS will boil and bubble and you will arrive again at
a place of confusion and frustration, and another epiphany

there is no end to the TRUTHS that we have in our INNER UNIVERSE

there is not a place of THE TRUTH
there are a million facets so arrriving at one awareness crux is NOT
the end of our journey

we realize one TRUTH/CORE BELIEF and life calms down and then we get
into aother agitated state and another rises and life calms down and
so on...

you are doing great

if life were forever mundane we would be Spiritually comatose. ;)

`

Thank you, Sophia.

l1ndsaystarr

07-03-2009, 06:23 AM

stay strong fella and keep questioning things. you will come to the right conclusions in the end.

it's scary and confusing stuff, especially when you first set off on this journey but soon the fear will start to fade away trust me.

I hope so! The constant thirst for knowledge and quest for answers can feel somewhat like madness at times. :confused:

Thank you for your post :)

lostinstrangeworld

07-03-2009, 11:01 AM

Fascinating links that you posted, Oiram....I should be getting internet at home soon so look forward to watching them then.

theqleaner

07-03-2009, 02:57 PM

hilarious site. I love the TIA disclaimer.

;)

slo0

07-03-2009, 03:20 PM

[QUOTE=seanx;847010]whiterain wrote:

I feel this foundational knowledge is crucial... to know thyself....
This Above all: to thine own self be true.........

mikel84

17-06-2009, 12:29 AM

Illuminati:
*present new world order*. Implementing plans through troops, political leaders etc. in order to carry out martial law through staged false flag crisis
lookout for words associated with illuminati:
-police state, martial law, fema camps, satanic, skull and bones, bankers, elite, reptilians, false flags, 9/11, war on terror, al queda, world war, stock market crash, wall street fraud, rothschild, rockefeller, bush, obama, swine flu, united nations, pirate attacks,

Galactic Federation of light:
*possible future new world order agenda*. Preteding to bring peace and joy and be against illuminati but they are just another branch with the same plans. want to use control techniques different than that of illuminati
lookout for words associated with galactic federation of light:
NESARA, ascension, light, love, sananda, ufo, maitreya, white powder gold, kuthumi, ascended master, ashtar, hologram, galactic federation of light, greys, adromedan