The more I look into the secret societies, the mor

[solve_et_coagula]

The more I look into the secret societies, the more I realize that they are right.

Reposted of "Do i need help?"

Seriously, I started reading the books from the "great masters" of freemasonry and the other "brotherhoods", and I have been slowly turning to their side.

They are mostly Gnostic doctrines, and they deal with enlightenment, and decunstructing the myths of religion, and they are very enlightening and have changed my veiw of spirituality somewhat.

I used to be one of the people who bashed these orginizations to no end, and thought they were demon worshipers, but I now think that maybe I can understand where they are coming from.

At the very least I can see that these are some very intelligent interesting books, which in some places seem a little "out there", but for the most part do not advocate death or killing or Satan worship or anything like that.

They do seem to have a real contempt for people who are ignorant, and blindly follow the pack, and I tend to agree with that. It seems the Gnostics look at the dumbed down masses as a sort of enemy to real intellectual and spiritual thinking, so they have gone underground in a way.

This is a serious post.

I want to know what others think.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?messageid=341265&mpage=1&showdate=2/8/07&forum=1

[eternal_spirit]

Aleister Crowley's father was a Christian preacher, Crowley was a Satanist, freemason who belonged to the same societies as Hitler.
Crowley and the OTO he was also a raving homosexual woman hater.
Anway the main point is this.
Spermo Gnostics they use bodily fluids in rituals (sperm, faeces, urine, menstral blood) Crowley's obssesion was to attract astral entities(spirits) (reptilians maybe) with the rituals and bodily fluids, to incarnate these spirits into human bodies.

[eternal_spirit]

The truth seeker will be drawn to these societies in the hope of finding secret hidden knowledge.
It is said the higher up you progress up the degrees the more knowledge you will find.
I've read alot and this is my latest conclusion.....THERE IS NO HIDDEN KNOWLEDGE or ENLIGHTENMENT!
It's just a way of them fooling people by promising them powers if they join their organisation and join in with the rituals and teachings then they can be hypnotised into doing the will of those at the top.
Can anyone prove there is secret knowledge?

[anoninnyc]

but got infiltrated by some bad bad people.

the general wisdom from the masons is that god created both good and evil, in fact all polarities. light and darkness are opposites but sides to the same coin. too much light you will get burned up, too much darkness you will freeze. the concept of the devil or satan is just superstition. humans are both an animal and a god. the key is to have equilibrium.

my problem with the modern groups is that they focus on the dark side, rather than realizing the truth that everything needs to be in moderation. there is nothing that is inherently evil. there is a time and place for everything, even killing. i truly believe that these groups perform ritualistic killing which is not in my view acceptable or part of moderation or equilibrium. i will kill to protect myself but not to do some superstitious ritual to try to gain power in this world.

[edelweiss pirate]

The principle masonic secret is that you are not supposed to join the masons in the first place...

The other secrets all follow on from there... I have heard tell that there are some good masons. I never met any, although my spiritual development has gone through the roof as a result of their attention... Still, it was like a mammoth poker game, the stakes started small, jobs, perks a social network. eventually I realised that mjy stake was my soul and that I was about to give it away...

Anyway...winner takes all! Yay!

Their method to 'illuminate' uses fear and terror in an attempt to create an artificial near death experience (some people in fact believe that they are ACTUALLY dead as a result of masonic involvement).. You could take a moment to examine the following mystery initiation films which deal with the issue of "Am I alive or dead?" which once they've got you thinking along those lines it's only a matter of time before they convince you that you are dead, you're in hell and that they are Satan inc. and they own your soul..

This is where the gnostic idea that this is 'hell' comes from. It's their biggest secret and you can't be told. You have to see it with your own eyes.. (or rather don't, it's quite a trauma)

Film refs: Vanilla Sky... (MK suicide programming) Jacob's Ladder (schizophrenia inducing and suicide inducing)... there are zillions more of these rather shady and initiatory time bombs out there...

Not saying that watching those films makes you illuminated, BUT if you are in the 'right' or 'wrong' frame of mind (on edge of a nervous breakdown ie: initiatee) then they will tip you over the edge into utter unreality...

Then when you wake up in your new dimension with the clear eyes of an enlightened soul and look upon...... what? the million nightmares of evil on the TV news? The subtle evil intentions of a soap opera where all teh folly of human vice is on display? MTV? What refuge for a perfect soul on earth?

None. And that's how they've planned it. Trap those who might escape the human plane sooner or later and just when they seem closest to getting it together and getting out next lifetime, they trap your soul in a mire of evil from which, I'm not sure they ever escape...

[seamus]

Yeah, that bit of Jacob's Ladder where Tim Robbins says, "Where am I?"
the doctor goes "You're dead"
He says, "No I'm not, I'm alive"
The doctor says "Then why are you here?"

or something along the lines.

Yeah I almost crapped my pants watching that one. What a mind trip.

s

[masonic3]

I know alot of masons that Joined freemasonry from reading books like that "solve_et_coagula" and thats the truth

Theres only one way of joining the masons and thats for you to find out!?

I can always tell if someone on here is liying about the masons by the way they talk about getting in..


solve_et_coagula join us...! JJJOOOIINN UUUSSSS!!!!!!.....!

[edelweiss pirate]

I don't think there is anyone here lying about joining the masons M3..

Remember the masons are not as simple as many think...You know what? A very very high mason I knew (a local ambassador, I can't say his name for obvious reasons) told me that he didn't have a clue how it all 'works' and he'd been doing it for thirty years...

Much of what is believed about them even in conspiracy circles, is far short of the truth: the truth is even MORE bizzare..

Clearly M3 you have not experienced this. We have different experiences, your feelings may tell you they are a good group while my feelings tell me the contrary.. Let's see if we can both use this forum on terms of amity. That would be quite something wouldn't it? You will find us all honest folk here, no trolls these days you know.

[edelweiss pirate]

I posted this on the original Godlike thread... I'll post it again here..and why not?

Gnosticism is the cornerstone of the masonic ideal... The transformation of the man into a god. They use techniques which date back to ancient Egypt... and which you will experience if you happen to be strange fruit from the old family tree...

I was put through so many illumination programmes it got boring so I decided to play along and get illuminated... it sucked I'd advise against it. Imagine being on acid for the rest of your life... That's what 'illumination' felt like for me. Still I can control reality to quite a large extent which takes the boredom off.. Anyway, I managed to take the edge off and now have a normal perception with some unbelievable memories of what happened.

The fruit of gnosticism is visible all around us is the world we live in...
The belief that this world is a deviant creation and that somehow we have to fight for some personal salvation makes the world some kind of obstacle course programme which is just what it has become..

It's a shame because the world could be a nice place instead of some odd testing centre for our souls... Anyway, most people who undergo the schizognostic transformation find it impossible to accept their gnosis and so they become part of a deviant gang of disenfranchised and disenchanted world haters. These gents are the masons. They in turn continue to build obstacles to trip up as many people as they can in order to stage a protest against God...

You cannot learn what gnosis is by reading about it. In my experience it wasn't even a choice. It was forced upon me (which I'm actually glad about, but only because I survived the ordeal without too many loose screws). You have to experience it, and once you've done that it's a question of destiny whether you end up on medication, a suicide, a mason, or... an enlightened and lonely wanderer like myself..

Techniques involve creating uncertainty and fear in the minds of the candidate through role play and false friends... The mind is opened until absolute terror and confusion reign and reality becomes fluid enough to be modified. Dream and reality become one. The subconcious mind starts to take over from the logical left brain...not necessarily a good thing.. A nightmare that you cannot wake up from..


Schizophrenia is what differentiates the illuminated from the non illuminated.
To a schizophrenic the world is a vision of purest hell. Schizophrenia is a heightened sense of perception.. more sensitive, even to the point of being able to read people's minds... the world assaults the schizophrenic as a sensory nightmare, everything is scary and terrifying, there is even the possibilty of being sensitive to spirits.

In this state all of the symbols the masons have sown make sense, buildings come alive with the real meaning of architecture (gothic architecture is pure menace for example) I saw a church which had been built to resemble a huge red dragon...

BUT... the schizophrenic has incredible knowledge and awareness, it is no coincidence that schizophrenia is referred to as the 'shaman's illness'...



The conspiracy angle is that this state of 'hell' is being perfected on a daily basis due to the increasing violence and horror of slasher flicks and even mainstream Hollyweird movies...

Now it is clear that the same forces which are trying to illuminate people on a larger scale than ever before seen (by which I mean, induce schizophrenia) are also creating a vision of hell that will greet the initiate when they are illuminated.

My reasoning at the time was therefore that they (perhaps a dominant Catholic body like the Jesuits) are attempting to trap people into joining the masons, becoming illuminated and waking up in hell. As a kind of morality play where the candidate is actually punished for not being able to resist the call of the occult.

Nothing else makes sense... Why continually create a toxic horror culture for so called 'perfected souls' to wake up into? It makes no sense. I think they may be pushing for armageddon. I think they are trying to raise enough horror in the initiate that the initiates wish push for the destruction of earth. They are harvesting this psychic power in an attempt to wipe the slate clean on the builders failed civilisation.


And I'll tack on my previous post at the end:

I don't think there is anyone here lying about joining the masons M3..

Remember the masons are not as simple as many think...You know what? A very very high mason I knew (a local ambassador, I can't say his name for obvious reasons) told me that he didn't have a clue how it all 'works' and he'd been doing it for thirty years...

Much of what is believed about them even in conspiracy circles, is far short of the truth: the truth is even MORE bizzare..

Clearly M3 you have not experienced this. We have different experiences, your feelings may tell you they are a good group while my feelings tell me the contrary.. Let's see if we can both use this forum on terms of amity. That would be quite something wouldn't it? You will find us all honest folk here, no trolls these days you know.

Is it a bit wanky to use 'quotes' for your own posts?I think it makes stuff easier to read actually but it could ALSO be wanky...

[seamus]

My reasoning at the time was therefore that they (perhaps a dominant Catholic body like the Jesuits) are attempting to trap people into joining the masons, becoming illuminated and waking up in hell. As a kind of morality play where the candidate is actually punished for not being able to resist the call of the occult.

Nothing else makes sense... Why continually create a toxic horror culture for so called 'perfected souls' to wake up into? It makes no sense. I think they may be pushing for armageddon. I think they are trying to raise enough horror in the initiate that the initiates wish push for the destruction of earth. They are harvesting this psychic power in an attempt to wipe the slate clean on the builders failed civilisation.

EP! You hit the nail on the head. They're going to get armageddon, alright. I really think they will. But there will be a call for those who have good hearts. I dreamed about the call. A trumpet in the sky. No kidding. Those who are good souls will be swept up and the surface of the earth will become a radioactive nightmare, by the Illuminati's own hand. That is, if the vision my guide gave me was true. Imagine rippling, roaring flames covering the entire earth, engulfing your vision, and all you can see are occasional glimpses of others stuck in the same hell.

This is not by any means a worst-case scenario. It's pretty good. evil will consume itself, leaving the universe to loving beings who will care properly for it.

As it has been said many times on this forum, These are amazing times to live in.

s

[masonic3]

The principle masonic secret is that you are not supposed to join the masons in the first place...

The other secrets all follow on from there... I have heard tell that there are some good masons. I never met any, although my spiritual development has gone through the roof as a result of their attention... Still, it was like a mammoth poker game, the stakes started small, jobs, perks a social network. eventually I realised that mjy stake was my soul and that I was about to give it away...

Anyway...winner takes all! Yay!

Their method to 'illuminate' uses fear and terror in an attempt to create an artificial near death experience (some people in fact believe that they are ACTUALLY dead as a result of masonic involvement).. You could take a moment to examine the following mystery initiation films which deal with the issue of "Am I alive or dead?" which once they've got you thinking along those lines it's only a matter of time before they convince you that you are dead, you're in hell and that they are Satan inc. and they own your soul..

This is where the gnostic idea that this is 'hell' comes from. It's their biggest secret and you can't be told. You have to see it with your own eyes.. (or rather don't, it's quite a trauma)

Film refs: Vanilla Sky... (MK suicide programming) Jacob's Ladder (schizophrenia inducing and suicide inducing)... there are zillions more of these rather shady and initiatory time bombs out there...

Not saying that watching those films makes you illuminated, BUT if you are in the 'right' or 'wrong' frame of mind (on edge of a nervous breakdown ie: initiatee) then they will tip you over the edge into utter unreality...

Then when you wake up in your new dimension with the clear eyes of an enlightened soul and look upon...... what? the million nightmares of evil on the TV news? The subtle evil intentions of a soap opera where all teh folly of human vice is on display? MTV? What refuge for a perfect soul on earth?

None. And that's how they've planned it. Trap those who might escape the human plane sooner or later and just when they seem closest to getting it together and getting out next lifetime, they trap your soul in a mire of evil from which, I'm not sure they ever escape...


Thanks for your reply, I class my self as a good mason....:o

[tru3]

It's a shame because the world could be a nice place instead of some odd testing centre for our souls... Anyway, most people who undergo the schizognostic transformation find it impossible to accept their gnosis and so they become part of a deviant gang of disenfranchised and disenchanted world haters. These gents are the masons. They in turn continue to build obstacles to trip up as many people as they can in order to stage a protest against God... ..

e.p.,

thanks for sharing this. i have a much better sense of their deep beliefs and worldviews. all this makes perfect sense to me. it really rings true. as for the journey of the soul, you might be interested in the following post:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=14751&postcount=97


You cannot learn what gnosis is by reading about it. In my experience it wasn't even a choice. It was forced upon me (which I'm actually glad about, but only because I survived the ordeal without too many loose screws). You have to experience it, and once you've done that it's a question of destiny whether you end up on medication, a suicide, a mason, or... an enlightened and lonely wanderer like myself..

the individual soul is cultivated for this moment from its inception,imo. as forlorn as this sounds, we are like seeds on the wind, multitudes of us. some land land in this swamp and drown, with divine life choked out of them.

imho, the primal "sin", the burning hell, for these sentient beings is not wanting to become god, but rather attempting to replace god. and that, my friend, just ain't gonna happen! :)

[notaslave]

Can anyone tell me what is with the huge chessboard on the floors of masonic temples?

Does anyone know what significance it has?

Thanks

[notaslave]

Also why does it sometimes look like a regular chessboard and sometimes it is kind of offset, as though to me, it has to face in a specific direction - like Mecca?

[masonic3]

Can anyone tell me what is with the huge chessboard on the floors of masonic temples?

Does anyone know what significance it has?

Thanks

The check floor is to symbolise the ups and down of humans throught time like the good and the bad times

[masonic3]

Also why does it sometimes look like a regular chessboard and sometimes it is kind of offset, as though to me, it has to face in a specific direction - like Mecca?

I don't know anything about this but, I will find out for you....m3;)

[esse]

The truth seeker will be drawn to these societies in the hope of finding secret hidden knowledge.
It is said the higher up you progress up the degrees the more knowledge you will find.
I've read alot and this is my latest conclusion.....THERE IS NO HIDDEN KNOWLEDGE or ENLIGHTENMENT!
It's just a way of them fooling people by promising them powers if they join their organisation and join in with the rituals and teachings then they can be hypnotised into doing the will of those at the top.
Can anyone prove there is secret knowledge?


Yeah, agreed - watch Jodorovsky's El Topo - you will love it, makes a great point on this subject! And on another note - do you really think that the public front is telling you anything about the secret truths?

[drael]

I definately dont think all secret societies are "evil". As many that are dark, are white. And those that are, are acheiving important spiritual aims, doing so not just for selfish ends, but for "semi-altruistic" purposes of guiding humanity. Theres a main quote of the masons that implies something like that. The dark brotherhood and white are meant to work together to teach humanity, but they have always been at war. I think spiritually even the dark is misunderstood. They certainly have some wisdom, but such wisdom can be extracted from pure experience, and also mystic texts. There is plenty of info on hermeticism , magick and gnosticism outside of secret societies these days, one just needs to know how to read them...Personally from what i know of the masons, they hold back white members at the higher grades, ensuring only dark adepts. Secret soceties always hint at their true nature, so read between the lines of their stated purpose. Any white SS should be openly in favour of tolerance and compassion, and against any disdain or superiority. Ego is not a spiritual virtue, even for the dark, and any such attitudes hold them back.

That psychognosis things sounds cool! Thats exactly what higher dimension beings do, in a more gentle fashion, with karma and spiritual learning. Of course one needs light and positivity, lessons of love and union with others in order to make the ascension process safely (which is why we have both demons and angels, both servents of divinity helping us work through karma). Pure fear etc by itself would be less than effective alot of the time, unless your inclined a certain way (At the very least, the fear should should to be ultimately illusionary for any effective ascension). This is where the dark brotherhood have been getting it wrong, they think they can do all gods teaching work without the white brotherhood or angels - because of arrogance, ego and spite for god. They have much to learn, and the all of the host of heaven waits to teach them. (I wouldnt want to be anywhere near that maelstrom when it happens)

EP: You say you can do manifestation....what kind of things do you manifest?

[esse]

Why the need for secrecy? And thank you I'll guide myself - Is there not the guide of our conscience already within us? I don't think I can get much help from those who have "always been at war" - Don't sound like they have the ability to teach what I want to learn. It seems like those who need to do things in the cloak of secrecy are not usually up to anything very good. Hence they hide - divide - manuipulate and use all the PR tactics under the sun. There may be those working for the real good of all who have to hide from them - hence need to keep their power or wisdom secret - But 9 times out of 10 I'd be pretty careful about those who keep their actions and doings etc secret and go about in the mode of deception. Chess masters also love chess boards -

[3rdeye]

Also why does it sometimes look like a regular chessboard and sometimes it is kind of offset, as though to me, it has to face in a specific direction - like Mecca?

i beleive you will find that this chessboard like pattern is also the same refered to as the 'celtic flower' pattern , supesedly this is one of the iluminati's biggest sectrets.
i have a 'theory' on it ,as it might well have something to do with some kind of map to interconnect manipulatable matter like the perodic table of elements .
beacause as what we have seen so far some of the most interesting information can be found in ancient symbolism and they dont seem to be affraid of stickibng it right under our noses , as sometimes the best place to hide something is the most obvious .
this also brings another theory of mine to do with the bible an how it says the d'evil'sbest' trick was to make people beleive he wasnt real! and i DO beleive that this is refering to the reptilians who have ben running our world for 200,000+ right under our noses but with there lies,manipulation, and knowledge of our understanding abilites they have been able to be unnoticed right infront of us !!

just another thought but an educated one :)

[paganus]

but got infiltrated by some bad bad people.

the general wisdom from the masons is that god created both good and evil, in fact all polarities. light and darkness are opposites but sides to the same coin. too much light you will get burned up, too much darkness you will freeze. the concept of the devil or satan is just superstition. humans are both an animal and a god. the key is to have equilibrium.

my problem with the modern groups is that they focus on the dark side, rather than realizing the truth that everything needs to be in moderation. there is nothing that is inherently evil. there is a time and place for everything, even killing. i truly believe that these groups perform ritualistic killing which is not in my view acceptable or part of moderation or equilibrium. i will kill to protect myself but not to do some superstitious ritual to try to gain power in this world.
agree in the main!

[corivss]

Sounds to me like u need to do a lot more research.

[ichi wa zen]

In secret societies, people keep knowledge from their pupils with a closed fist.

How can any doctrine be true if essential knowledge to understand it has to be kept a secret.

How can any doctrine be true if the understanding of that doctrine lies in the hands of another person?

The truth is within. Not in another persons hand, some book, some theory, some idea or some god.

To quote The Buddha: "the sun and moon shine when open and not when covered" and “Secrecy is the hallmark of false doctrines.”

[3rdeye]

in reply to the post at the top of this page :

i beleive this freemasonary is definatly satanic at the top of their knowledge tree, its just that the "normal" good people will never get high enough in the treee to realise!!
how you say god created god and evil ..that is complete bulshit that is what they say so you exept evil into your life, GOD is LOVE and LOVE alone, for love is divine ceativity and with out that love we/I would not be standing here today , hate is not creative it is the opposite , the darkness , the lack of information as light is information and knowledge ;)

you might wanna sort that out before its too late :)
peace and love