Is it time to put civil liberties on hold? [Archive]

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auron

03-07-2007, 08:29 AM

http://boards.virginmedia.com/shout/haveyoursay/civilliberties.html

Following a weekend of terror attacks, and warnings that more are likely to be on the way, is it time we shelved the concept of civil liberties and allowed the authorities to bring in whatever measures they deem necessary to deal with the problem?
Would bringing in ID cards, stop and search, random car checks, longer detention without charge periods help in the fight against terror, Or are we in danger of forcing cells further underground? Is it important to carry on our living our lives as normal and show we will not be beaten by terrorists? Have your say.

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i_am

03-07-2007, 09:18 AM

http://boards.virginmedia.com/shout/haveyoursay/civilliberties.html

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:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

How naive are some of these people?

Bryan from Bristol says:
If you don't give the police something to be suspicious of, what do you have to be afraid of? The people who are committing these terrorist acts do not accept our laws but our laws try to protect them. I would prefer to know the general public are safe, and not worry about their civil liberties.

tickles

03-07-2007, 09:57 AM

OMG!!. Those people who vote yes need to study history.

reptilianshapeshifter

03-07-2007, 10:21 AM

"Nothing to hide nothing to fear brigade" are out on full force.

What they dont realise is that one day these laws WILL be used against them.

montag

03-07-2007, 10:27 AM

WOW what a coincidence we're getting the same crap fed to us in our papers here in Australia..

Every right to be obsessed by Islamic terrorism

The terrorist attacks on London and Glasgow at the weekend should bring a sense of reality to the debate over civil liberties in the West. They should. But don't bet on the prospect. The problem is that a number of well-meaning people in the civil liberties lobby will continue to believe what they want to believe, and consequently, will continue to deny that Islamist terrorists want to destroy Western societies.

more.. (http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/every-right-to-be-obsessed-by-islamic-terrorism/2007/07/02/1183351123596.html)

reptilianshapeshifter

03-07-2007, 10:28 AM

heres a good one.

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George from cambridgeshire says:

My what a lot nonsense is being written on this subject.Of course from time to time innocent people will be arrested and may be imprisoned,please remember we do not have the death penalty here and when most innocent are released, they do get some form of compensation, other countries you don't get your life back. Do you really want these people who are trying to destroy our way of life to succeed.

Is it time to put civil liberties on hold? Yes
"

reptilianshapeshifter

03-07-2007, 10:28 AM

I am sure George would be delighted spending a year locked up on nothing but suspicion.

auron

03-07-2007, 11:59 AM

George reminds me of Parsons from Orwells 1984 :D

informationx

03-07-2007, 12:11 PM

This is related to what you are talking about in this thread.

I often hear people preaching the mantra "Nothing to hide, nothing to fear", and you see it a lot on website comments in relation to terrorist attacks, Advocating more government controls on our privacy.

I feel this statement is very weak, and here is my response to it.

NOTHING TO HIDE NOTHING TO FEAR?

NOTHING TO FEAR?

No one can possibly assert that there is nothing to fear from their governments. This blind mantra that is preached assumes the role of the government as some kind of perfect entity, Whose entire function will always be in the best interest of its people. Current and past history shows countless examples that this is not the case. If they take away more and more of your civil liberties in the name of security, you must at least fear whether you will be able to get them back.

NOTHING TO HIDE?

So even if you do have nothing to hide, it does not make the second part of the statement “nothing to fear” true. Civil liberties are not about hiding; they are about inherent rights for all human beings to privacy, freedom of thought, and freedom of religion, etc, etc.

Privacy is a personal space, where you can exist without control in freedom. Disclosure of every aspect of personal life erodes that privacy, and therefore that freedom.

Privacy = freedom.

So do you truly have nothing to hide? If so let me come to your house, and watch your every move, let me copy all your financial details, take your dna, your blood, your fingerprints. Let me put a camera in every room of your house. Let me place a computer chip in your skull so I know your movements, second by second.

http://information-x.110mb.com/NOTHINGTOHIDENOTHINGTOFEAR.htm

Cheers!

infinitetruth

03-07-2007, 12:52 PM

NOTHING TO HIDE NOTHING TO FEAR?

NOTHING TO FEAR?

No one can possibly assert that there is nothing to fear from their governments. This blind mantra that is preached assumes the role of the government as some kind of perfect entity, Whose entire function will always be in the best interest of its people. Current and past history shows countless examples that this is not the case. If they take away more and more of your civil liberties in the name of security, you must at least fear whether you will be able to get them back.

NOTHING TO HIDE?

So even if you do have nothing to hide, it does not make the second part of the statement “nothing to fear” true. Civil liberties are not about hiding; they are about inherent rights for all human beings to privacy, freedom of thought, and freedom of religion, etc, etc.

Privacy is a personal space, where you can exist without control in freedom. Disclosure of every aspect of personal life erodes that privacy, and therefore that freedom.

Privacy = freedom.

So do you truly have nothing to hide? If so let me come to your house, and watch your every move, let me copy all your financial details, take your dna, your blood, your fingerprints. Let me put a camera in every room of your house. Let me place a computer chip in your skull so I know your movements, second by second.

Absolutely brilliant!! I think we should post this everywhere - on walls, pillars, street corners and on tee shirts album covers!! lol

Where is it located, am i allowed to post it on my blog and link to it?
Geez I was really started to feel suicidal during this thread until now haha!!

falseflag

03-07-2007, 12:53 PM

Judging by the seemingly positive response for yet more 'anti-terror' measures by the majority of the country (and planet), the amount of people "we" once thought to be "waking up", seems vastly exaggerated. I personally feel very frustrated, more so than ever, as this "agenda" quickens by the second.

informationx

03-07-2007, 12:58 PM

Feel free to copy it anywhere, its all my work. Just credit it to informationx. Thank you!

reptilianshapeshifter

03-07-2007, 01:29 PM

Feel free to copy it anywhere, its all my work. Just credit it to informationx. Thank you!

yes it was a very good piece. concise and to the point.

I remember having a discussion with a friend over this some years ago and he was all for the cameras and shit and said the same thing "nothing to hide, nothing to fear". He spouted on about all the crime that had been prevented by the use of cameras.

When i put it to him that we should install them in his house and every other household nation he wasn't so keen on that idea. I said if you've nothing to hide you've nothing to fear and to think that the price of the small embarrassment at being seeing naked every day would be well worth it considering the sheer amount of crime you could put a stop to.

He didn't like that at all. No matter how many paedophiles or criminals it would put a stop to.

What he (and all the others) seem to overlook is that allowing the police to stop and search as they please also means they will have (or eventually have) laws that allow them into your house with a warrant to do as the please, regardless of if a crime has been committed in your house.

Though they don't like to admit it. It is a form of racism because they think they only people these powers will be used on are the ethnic minorities and who gives a shit about them?

dondaz

03-07-2007, 02:00 PM

Hi Auron, good thread.

This pisses me off no end.

I posted on Virgin but it looks like they wont show it. So bollocks to virgin!

Here's what I posted.

I have everything to hide. My privacy and personal freedom.

Close the borders, stop immigration. Forign policy is the root behind international terrorism, as well as home grown government sponsored terrorism.

Watch the documentary TerrorStorm by Alex Jones to see what is really going on. This is all designed to get the police state in force so the Elite bankers can have most of us killed for their New World Order.

See The Georgia Guidestones, a freemasonic monument that tells the real agenda. The Elite families want no more than 500.000.000 people on this planet.

Watch Aaron Russo America - Freedom To Facism, Watch Loose Change2, Video Google Alex Jones or David Icke or Michael Tsarion or Alan Watt.

Wake up while you still have the chance.

Don't give up your freedoms for security, this is a serious mistake. The best security we have is freedom.

What a bunch of morons. Is it ok if I post this on DIGG?

Fuck this, I'm fighting back!

informationx

03-07-2007, 02:51 PM

I like that dondaz ,especially the line "Don't give up your freedoms for security, this is a serious mistake. The best security we have is freedom"

chandrakavi

11-07-2007, 09:49 AM

A young policeman is escorting a drunk driver down to the prison cells
at the police station.:eek: "You are going to be locked up for the night,"
he explains.
"What is the charge?" demands the prisoner.:mad:
"There is no charge," says the cop. "It is all part of the service.":cool:

I wonder if this will be NWO service?:D

chandrakavi

11-07-2007, 10:19 AM

A YOUNG POLICEMAN :cool: IS ESCORTING A DRUNK DRIVER:confused:
DOWN TO THE PRISON CELLS AT THE POLICE STATION.
"YOU ARE GOING TO BE LOCKED UP FOR THE NIGHT," HE EXPLAINS.:cool::eek:
"WHAT IS THE CHARGE?" DEMANDS THE PRISONER.:mad:
"THERE IS NO CHARGE." SAYS THE COP. "IT'S ALL PART OF THE SERVICE"

freespark

11-07-2007, 10:37 AM

chandrakavi

11-07-2007, 10:43 AM

tHE GUYS AT THE GLOBAL TOP KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING,
THE ONES AT THE BOTTOM DOWN HAVE NO IDEA, NO BRAINS TO REALIZE ANYTHING, THEY BELIEVE IT IS FOR "EVERYONE'S BENEFIT", MAAAAAAAAAN!

TWO POLICE OFFICERS ARE HAVING COFFEE CHATTING ABOUT THEIR NEW RECRUITS.
"YOU WON'T BELIEVE HOW DUMB MY NEW CONSTABLE IS" SAYS ONE
"Oh, I bet mine is worse than yours" says the other.
So the first officer calls constable. He comes in and salutes.
"Yes sir"! he says
"Here is a dollar," says the officer , "go and buy me a Mercedes Benz"
"Yes sir"! says the constable and he goes out.
"That's nothing" says the other officer and calls his constable. "Go immediately to my house and see if I am there," he orders.
"Yes sir!" says the constable and he goes out
The two recruits meet in the corridor and one says, "Boy, you won't believe how dumb my officer is. He gave me a dollar to buy him a Mercedes car. Doesn't he know it's Sunday and the shops will be closed?"
"That's nothing," says the other. "My officer told me to go to his house and see if he is there, Can't he just make a phone call himself?"

shodan

11-07-2007, 10:44 AM

This guy sounds like he was paid to write that!!

Exactly! and all opposing comments removed/not shown in the first place.

freespark

11-07-2007, 10:58 AM

heres a good one.

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George from cambridgeshire says:

My what a lot ..........more bollocks.........Do you really want these people who are trying to destroy our way of life to succeed.
Is it time to put civil liberties on hold? Yes
"

Also note the parroting of this term....'destroy our way of life'. If anyone with half a brain thinks about this statement clearly....why the hell would anybody want to 'destroy our way of life' anyways?? Are these people jealous? What have they possibly got to gain? Do they do it for fun?

Lol and the 'herd mentality' answer to that would be 'because they are crazy Islamic religeous fanatics!!!' ROFL...meanwhile if there ever was a real reason you can expect that it has a lot more to do with the invading of countries for no reason (hehe - well there is the oil!!), the west fucking up thier way of life, stealing thier 'resources' and toppling elected governments through covert operations... for a start!!!!

Meh!