FUCK ME! - I've Cracked it! - Israel Flag

[space lizard]

The flag of Israel, watched Credo Mutwa DVD 1 last night, David and Credo are speaking about the ancient meaning of the star on the flag of israel.

Credo stated that it represents 2 seperate univrerse's that exist within each other, on triange is a universe and so is the other, they lay upon each other and exist in the same space.


HERES MY ADDIOTION TO THE THEORY:
We see everything in 3 dimensions. Front / Right / Left. This is represented by the triangle pointing up,

The triangle pointing down is reality.

In the centre of the symbol is a circle fromed by the 2 triangles. AN EYE

what happens when reality is passed through the human eye?

Left becomes right Right becomes left.

The star on the israel flag is a symbol meaning the inversion of reality through the eye.


Believe it or not I don't do drugs.

Human beings evolved from one eyed fish who could see reaility correctly. The 2 eyed humans see things as they are not. Read about Cyclops to uncover the truth about the giant one eyed creature who lives in a cave and eats humans to realise what Credo Mutwa talks about is very fuckin real.

[truthcommission]

This is good dope space lizard.

I actually arrived at similar conclusions.

Have you heard about the Raelians?

http://www.rael.org/

[space monkey]

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/3434/moneygamistardavidwg2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://www.wizworld.com/moneygami/

"An old Cherokee told his grandson that a battle that goes on inside each us.
The battle is between two 'wolves'.
One 'wolf' is Evil. It has anger, envy, jealousy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.
The other 'wolf' is Good. It has joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion and faith."

The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather: "Which wolf wins?"

The old Cherokee simply replied, "The one you feed.""


You might have clued into something there.

[space lizard]

I'm telling you now, the illuminati REVERSE SYMBOLISM,

The swastika is the reverse symbol for Positivity, light, etc.

The 6 pointed star of Israel is THE KEY SYMBOL

It represents the inversion of reality.

UP IS MIRRORED DOWN,
LEFT MIRRORED DIAGONALLY RIGHT,
RIGHT MIRRORED DIAGONALLY LEFT.
And all through the eye in the middle.

[whitenight639]

so israil has the gate to another dimension? there is a reason that they want the middle east, and the pyramids in egypt were rumoured to be used as inter dimensional gates.

[truthcommission]

"An old Cherokee told his grandson that a battle that goes on inside each us.
The battle is between two 'wolves'.
One 'wolf' is Evil. It has anger, envy, jealousy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.
The other 'wolf' is Good. It has joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion and faith."

The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather: "Which wolf wins?"

The old Cherokee simply replied, "The one you feed."
Hey my psychiatrist told me this one some time ago.

I had been meaning to look it up. Thanks or posting...

BTW I am certifiably sane. Its everyone else who is crazy. :p

[space lizard]

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THIS IS WHY THE ILLUMINATI INVERT SYMBOLS
BECAUSE WE VIEW EVERYTHING INVERTED.

[oneofmany]

The Chalice represents female and the Blade or phallus represents male and they both come together in the one symbol, not unlike the ying and yang symbol.

http://web.syr.edu/~adhanson/words/page7e.html (http://web.syr.edu/%7Eadhanson/words/page7e.html)

http://www.forward.com/articles/male-and-female-created-he-them/

http://shamanelder.com/myPictures/Star%20of%20David.jpg

The blade or phallus is the triangle pointing up, while the chalice is the triangle pointing down just like the shape of the womb. Man and Woman as one.

[space lizard]

Think for yourself for a minute.

Don't put up all the various meanings, because loads have been attached to it.

Look through the hole in the middle of the star.

http://slfuturesalon.blogs.com/second_life_future_salon/images/molecular1_1.jpg

[oneofmany]

Think for yourself for a minute.

Don't put up all the various meanings, because loads have been attached to it.

Look through the hole in the middle of the star.

http://slfuturesalon.blogs.com/second_life_future_salon/images/molecular1_1.jpg

Are you referring to me? I did think for myself and I thought that the theory I posted was more credible than yours, that's why I posted it. Just because it is an established theory, doesn't mean that it's not correct, and I believe it makes a lot more sense than your theory. This thread is about the meaning of the star of David is it not? If it's relevant, I will post it.

[space lizard]

We are here to discuss the possible alternatives to accepted teachings and the nature of reality.

anyway I'm not here to argue or be sidetracked.

- or to be rude, so appologies on that.

[oneofmany]

We are here to discuss the possible alternatives to accepted teachings and the nature of reality.

anyway I'm not here to argue or be sidetracked.

- or to be rude, so appologies on that.I agree, good luck with your alternatives.

[space lizard]

Cool,

your theory is valid as it relates to a possible meaning of the star.

But meaningless when it comes to providing a reason for the illuminati to decide on it as the flag of isreal, the key symbol of the whole master plan.

My theory gives a reason for it to be used as the flag of israel. Its the Illuminati sticking a flag on their sacred ground stating, this is the entrance, this is the eye of the storm, this is where left is right, right is left, and up is down. This symbol represents the all seeing eye and the refletion of reality as it is mirrored through the eye.

Illusion becomes Reality through the Eye. Our brains are seeingn whet the illuminati want us to see. A reversal of the truth.

[space lizard]

In other words.

If you look at a picture of how the eye works. It sees reality, which it then mirrors wrong reading, and the brain interprets the signals.

The down triangle : Reality : is the broad wavelegnth that is narrowed down into the human eye.

The Up Triangle : Illusion : is the wrong reading mirror image that hits the brain through the eye. broadcast by the illuminati

PUSH ILLUSION INTO REAILTY, AND YOU HAVE THE ISRAELI FLAG.

As my avatar points out. If you want to believe the illuminate choose it as a flag for Irseal because they wanted to highlight the ying yang relationship between men and women, I suggest you go and contact the people who designed the pentagon and ask them is they are sure they got the feng shui right. Could be the source of all the world problems.

[space lizard]

When you look at the five pointed star, I think each point is related to one of our senses.

When the satanist turn the 5 pointed star upside down they are turning hell into paradise, bad into good. etc.

I think the Pyramid with the eye at the top represents the illiminati controling what we see. the other two corners are what we hear and touch.

when you see the 6 pointed star I believe this represents the full circle. all six sensed manipulated. the final being the 6th sense. Intuition. = what you believe.

If the pyramid on the american dollar were a 6 pointed star I think each point would have something in the capstone as it rotates,
EYE / EAR / MOUTH / NOSE / HAND / HEART

_________

ps. yes I know the all seeing eye represents the illuminaiti, I'm simply looking for a new light.

am I alone on all of this?

[king]

When you look at the five pointed star, I think each point is related to one of our senses.

When the satanist turn the 5 pointed star upside down they are turning hell into paradise, bad into good. etc.

I think the Pyramid with the eye at the top represents the illiminati controling what we see. the other two corners are what we hear and touch.

when you see the 6 pointed star I believe this represents the full circle. all six sensed manipulated. the final being the 6th sense. Intuition. = what you believe.

If the pyramid on the american dollar were a 6 pointed star I think each point would have something in the capstone as it rotates,
EYE / EAR / MOUTH / NOSE / HAND / HEART

_________

ps. yes I know the all seeing eye represents the illuminaiti, I'm simply looking for a new light.

am I alone on all of this?

you got something here dude!
i am not saying that you are right, that i do not know, but... what you are saying makes sense, more than some other well established theories.

i liked the idea that manipulation of reality and true reality are represented with upside down and upward triangles, and i also liked the idea of 5 senses plus sixth sense as points of "Star of David" ...

I am sure that this six pointed star was not chosen by accident for Israel flag.

i am not getting how you came up with an eye in middle of star?

keep on posting on this subject, i need to think a bit about this before i give you more feedback

btw, this should be more appropriate flag for Israel

http://www.oznik.com/art/gallery/020902img/Israel_Flag_Shimon_Tzabar.jpg
or this
http://images.indymedia.org/imc/print/israeli_flag_2_barbed_wire__gun.gif

[oneofmany]

In other words.

If you look at a picture of how the eye works. It sees reality, which it then mirrors wrong reading, and the brain interprets the signals.

The down triangle : Reality : is the broad wavelegnth that is narrowed down into the human eye.

The Up Triangle : Illusion : is the wrong reading mirror image that hits the brain through the eye. broadcast by the illuminati

PUSH ILLUSION INTO REAILTY, AND YOU HAVE THE ISRAELI FLAG.

As my avatar points out. If you want to believe the illuminate choose it as a flag for Irseal because they wanted to highlight the ying yang relationship between men and women, I suggest you go and contact the people who designed the pentagon and ask them is they are sure they got the feng shui right. Could be the source of all the world problems.

A five sided shape is the Pentagon, not 6 as the inside of the star of David, and the Pentagon is a Pentagram without the arms as is used mainly as a symbol of negativity, and in this case, to propagate war.
The star of David as used on the Israeli flag to me represents the unity or oneness of the Jewish race, now "Home", not the man and woman aspect, that is a pagan belief and the true meaning of the symbol.

[space lizard]

I'm not talking about the jewish race here, so please do not confuse me with a racist or religious fanatic. I believe all people are one. I'm not having a pop at the jewish people.

I'm discussing the illuminati, and the symbol on the flag and how they relate to each other, I'm not asking what does the flag me to you, christian muslim or jew.

I'm asking what it means to the illuminati

Its obvious what the swastika means to them, its a positive symbol reverse to create negativity
Its obvious what the european flag means to them, 12 encircled around one, hidden center
The pentagram is positive unless used upside down is a negative symbol, its reverse symbolism.

both have litteral non occult meanings to the everyday man,
both have sinister symbolism attached to them when used by the illuminati.

I'm asking anyone to offer their opinion on this theorey, I'm not saying it does not mean this and that, it means loads of posible things. I'm simply asking what would the illuminati choose this symbol.

[oneofmany]

I'm not talking about the jewish race here, so please do not confuse me with a racist or religious fanatic. I believe all people are one. I'm not having a pop at the jewish people. I never said you were

I'm discussing the illuminati, and the symbol on the flag and how they relate to each other, I'm not asking what does the flag me to you, christian muslim or jew. I was trying to answer your question, but you are getting sidetracked into religions and faiths

I'm asking what it means to the illuminati This is what I thought I answered, the meaning is the same, just different connotations for different faiths and allegiances.

Its obvious what the swastika means to them
Its obvious what the european flag means to them

both have litteral non occult meanings to the everyday man, both have sinister symbolism attached to them.

I'm asking anyone to offer their opinion on this throry, I'm not saying it does not mean this and that, it means loads of posible things. I'm simply asking what would the illuminati choose this symbol.

The pentagram used upside down is a negative symbol, its reverse symbolism.

The Illuminati hide within the Jewish race in particular so it happens to be very relevant to the discussion! Did I ever claim that you were a racist or religious fanatic? What I said still stands and what goes for the Jewish people who aren't in on the Illuminati party, also goes for the ones that are, the meanings the same, whether Illuminati or not, just one knows, that the Illuminati are "home" and "one". As for a negative aspect of the symbol, who says it has to have one in the eyes of the Illuminati?

[space lizard]

Hey, I appreciat the thoughs and feedback, so don't don't think I'm having a go, I just wanted to make sure you know I have no malaice towards anybody or any race of people or religions for that matter.

back to point,

Every symbol the illiminati use has a hidden meaning that is unknown to the public. The flag chosen for israel in my opinion represents the points illistrated by myself already.

As Aldous Huxley said, : If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is, infinite.

The problem is our narrow percetions. there so much more to life than what we are able to diagnose with the 10% of our brain that relates to the physical world.

Another way to lok at the flag is 6 capstones each representing one of the 6 senses comming to gether like triangle shaped cars to park us in the middle. we only see hear touch etc the sides the illuminati want us to know exists.

Thats why the 5 pointed star "pentagram" is circled, its the encircling of the 5 senses, in the year 2012 the final assault on our 6th sense will begin, UFO and contact with alien life forms aknowledged by governments and media. At first the will be the friendly aliens untill we are overrun and all shit breaks loose.

[oceanwave]

just throwing something in here, for the hell of it...

6 points

6 small triangles

6 'walls' (the inside)

...and yes disciples, there's 12 'walls' on the outside

[ashyr]

i like the one about the cherokee better =D

[barbitone]

Israel is where the whole 2nd coming of christ\rapture\apocalypse thing is supposed to be going down isn't it?

[space lizard]

Israel is where the whole 2nd coming of christ\rapture\apocalypse thing is supposed to be going down isn't it?

THANK FUCK, finally somebody gets what I'm talking about.


The instruction books of all the major religions Bible/Koran/Torrah etc, all state that at the turn of the millenium there will be an extintion event that will trigger the end of days count down, this is the count down to the year 2012.

The religions all fighting over Jerusalem known that it is the place where the 2nd comming of christ is supposed to be, What David Icke has exposed is that the 2nd comming will actually be a reptillian hoax. The events that take place in 2012 are going to be the culmination of thousands of years of planning and engineering.

We are currently on the last pages of each of these books and about to read the final chapters which all have been written to keep us in line for 2 thousand years and now were about to hit the bit where we meet the devil and hell opens up.

The thing to remember is this, It's not satan himeslf, Its not hell opening up. Its an illusion made to make us think that hell is real and make us surrender without hope. Because hope is the one thing these fuckers can not manipulate so they wish to extinguish it.

The 2 pyramids meeting head to head in the Israeli flag represents the end of days scheme. The landing / invasion coming down on top of the human pyramid and plunging straight through.

If people think its a male female ying yang type symbol, I would refer them to the acpects of the human mind regarded as masculine and feminine, Its masculine to be grounded in reality and the physical world, its considered feminine to be creative and dream influenced and in touch with your 6th sense.

The Israeli flag is the key symbol of inversion.
All the other symbols are inverted by the illuminati,
The 6 pointed star is the symbol that represents inversion of reality.

[oneofmany]

Well you only put in half of what you believe in your original posts, and wait for a response before you put in a edited counter argument, AFTER the respondent has posted. This is not the way to post in a forum, and all you do is make others look like they don't know what they are responding to, when in actuality, they are responding to what they read at the time. Stop making people look stupid because YOU have changed your initial post!!!

[oneofmany]

THANK FUCK, finally somebody gets what I'm talking about.


The instruction books of all the major religions Bible/Koran/Torrah etc, all state that at the turn of the millenium there will be an extintion event that will trigger the end of days count down, this is the count down to the year 2012.

The religions all fighting over Jerusalem known that it is the place where the 2nd comming of christ is supposed to be, What David Icke has exposed is that the 2nd comming will actually be a reptillian hoax. The events that take place in 2012 are going to be the culmination of thousands of years of planning and engineering.

We are currently on the last pages of each of these books and about to read the final chapters which all have been written to keep us in line for 2 thousand years and now were about to hit the bit where we meet the devil and hell opens up.

The thing to remember is this, It's not satan himeslf, Its not hell opening up. Its an illusion made to make us think that hell is real and make us surrender without hope. Because hope is the one thing these fuckers can not manipulate so they wish to extinguish it.

The 2 pyramids meeting head to head in the Israeli flag represents the end of days scheme. The landing / invasion coming down on top of the human pyramid and plunging straight through.

If people think its a male female ying yang type symbol, I would refer them to the acpects of the human mind regarded as masculine and feminine, Its masculine to be grounded in reality and the physical world, its considered feminine to be creative and dream influenced and in touch with your 6th sense.

The Israeli flag is the key symbol of inversion.
All the other symbols are inverted by the illuminati,
The 6 pointed star is the symbol that represents inversion of reality.

Bullshit!!! do some study on the Mayan Tzolkin calendar and it's significance to human evolution, and you will soon see the error of your ways. 2012 is all about the evolution of human conciousness, and if you believe that the Illuminati have had a pre determined view on what happens on this date, then you need to do some more research.
look here to familiarise yourself with the true meaning of 2012 http://video.google.com.au/videosearch?q=Ian+lungold

before this man died, he had the true understanding of what the Mayans were all about. And it had zero to do with the Illuminati. Along with 2012, to them , it's a cutoff date to ensnare as many dupes as possible, simple as.

[space lizard]

Its a thought process. I'm thinking about it as the thread evolves, new shit is comming to light. Stop taking personal issue with me. I'm here to learn and posting questions in hope of new information. You yourself have provided me with some key information about the masculine and feminine aspects of the symbol. I have incorporated this into the theory, stating masculine means physical reality and feminine means emotional reality. I'm not trying to make anyone look stupid.

I know I sound like and arrogant arsehole, but I'm not, I've been physically shaken by this revelation and I'm asking can anyone else see the prysm through the pyramid.

as I said, I'm not here to argume or insult so apologies for that. I do however feel as though I'm seeing a magic trick that everyone is missing and I'm not getting much feedback in terms of where to look next

[oneofmany]

Its a thought process. I'm thinking about it as the thread evolves, new shit is comming to light. Stop taking personal issue with me. I'm here to learn and posting questions in hope of new information. You yourself have provided me with some key information about the masculine and feminine aspects of the symbol. I have incorporated this into the theory, stating masculine means physical reality and feminine means emotional reality. I'm not trying to make anyone look stupid.

I know I sound like and arrogant arsehole, but I'm not, I've been physically shaken by this revelation and I'm asking can anyone else see the prysm through the pyramid.

as I said, I'm not here to argume or insult so apologies for that. I do however feel as though I'm seeing a magic trick that everyone is missing and I'm not getting much feedback in terms of where to look next

It's simple really, if you have more to say, don't edit a previous post but rather create a new post. As for looking next, try the post above.

[space lizard]

I only edit posts to correct spelling errors, the times are recorded beneath and I have not been editing anything after a reply
thank you
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What you are saying is in agreement with what I believe, the major religions of this world are bollocks and set up to could down to the year 2012, This is when the illuminati will begin their endgame, which they will loose and people will break free of jewish / christian / muslim prison religions and they will realise that the ancient religions actually are more in tune with the reality of the natural world and the true nature of man and then we will enter an age of true enlightenment.

Your telling me to read a manuscript of a religion that has nothing to do with muslims christians or jews and tellin me that it states 2012 is the beginning.

I agree.

[oneofmany]

Hey, I appreciat the thoughs and feedback, so don't don't think I'm having a go, I just wanted to make sure you know I have no malaice towards anybody or any race of people or religions for that matter.

back to point,

Every symbol the illiminati use has a hidden meaning that is unknown to the public. The flag chosen for israel in my opinion represents the points illistrated by myself already.

As Aldous Huxley said, : If the doors of perception were cleansed everything would appear to man as it is, infinite.This is the original post I read.

The problem is our narrow percetions. there so much more to life than what we are able to diagnose with the 10% of our brain that relates to the physical world.

Another way to lok at the flag is 6 capstones each representing one of the 6 senses comming to gether like triangle shaped cars to park us in the middle. we only see hear touch etc the sides the illuminati want us to know exists.

Thats why the 5 pointed star "pentagram" is circled, its the encircling of the 5 senses, in the year 2012 the final assault on our 6th sense will begin, UFO and contact with alien life forms aknowledged by governments and media. At first the will be the friendly aliens untill we are overrun and all shit breaks loose.And this is what was added, nothing like what was first posted.

[oneofmany]

Why are we getting of on the wrong foot? I see the truth in what you are saying, but we are like two ships in the night at the moment. I want to be on the same page as you, can you help me to do that?

[space lizard]

you want me to look into the Mayan Tzolkin calendar which I will do.

point is, I dont hear about too many Mayans jumpin on trains doin no slayin's, you know what I'm sayin's. (that was my rap bit).

I'm pointing to the manipulation of the majority of the worlds population, were being pitted against each other through religious hatred. Christian countries invading muslim countries, and all triggered by the global elite financing the ousting of the palestinian people in the arab world, who are subsidised by the same people who are pulling the strings to lead us into massive global hatred and upheaval.

The mayans have the knowlege to cure mankind as do the zulu's and many other tribal belief system. The spirtiual movement is gathering pace, people are looking to ancient teachings and realising that we have been blinded by the bright lights of materialism and war mongering orgainsed religion.

were on the same page brother. Were just reading different passages. In the end we will both be in the know!

[oneofmany]

Your telling me to read a manuscript of a religion that has nothing to do with muslims christians or jews and tellin me that it states 2012 is the beginning.It's more like a university lecture about the fundamentals of the Mayan Tzolkin calendar. It is not a religion, it is more like a warning to prepare.

[oneofmany]

you want me to look into the Mayan Tzolkin calendar which I will do.

point is, I dont hear about too many Mayans jumpin on trains doin no slayin's, you know what I'm sayin's. (that was my rap bit).

I'm pointing to the manipulation of the majority of the worlds population, were being pitted against each other through religious hatred. Christian countries invading muslim countries, and all triggered by the global elite financing the ousting of the palestinian people in the arab world, who are subsidised by the same people who are pulling the strings to lead us into massive global hatred and upheaval.

The mayans have the knowlege to cure mankind as do the zulu's and many other tribal belief system. The spirtiual movement is gathering pace, people are looking to ancient teachings and realising that we have been blinded by the bright lights of materialism and war mongering orgainsed religion.

were on the same page brother. Were just reading different passages. In the end we will both be in the know!Here's my take on it. You PEACE for peace, not fight for it, because as soon as you take up arms, they have already won, and I mean by that, they have taken what is most precious to you, your soul. If you maim or kill for your freedom, what price has it cost you?

[space lizard]

well my man, you know more about it than me, But I will read into it and get back to you. I think were all on this web site to prepare. I'm 3 weeks into this spiritual quest in the new area that david icke has highlighted.

I believe the illuminati will pull a fast one in 2012 involving UFOs and the need fot the world to united to either greet or fight them. This unveiling will happen in Israle and I think is the culmination of thousands of years of planning and preperation by the illuiminati.

We are the geese and its almonst christmas, the greedy bastards think were the main course. What they do not know is that the power of the dawning of the spiritual rebirth of mankind will kill every last one of the stinnkin mother fuckers. We will win. Knowledge is the Key.

Real Books, not the fuckin CCN CIA run internet wikipedia bullshit misinformation service or michael moore and his merry fucking dance down the pide pippers wrong way streets. An army of gathering under the flags on David Icke and many many other teachers.

Bring it on Bush and Bin laden and all you other stinken bastards.

[oneofmany]

well my man, you know more about it than me, But I will read into it and get back to you. I think were all on this web site to prepare. I'm 3 weeks into this spiritual quest in the new area that david icke has highlighted.

I believe the illuminati will pull a fast one in 2012 involving UFOs and the need fot the world to united to either greet or fight them. This unveiling will happen in Israle and I think is the culmination of thousands of years of planning and preperation by the illuiminati.

We are the geese and its almonst christmas, the greedy bastards think were the main course. What they do not know is that the power of the dawning of the spiritual rebirth of mankind will kill every last one of the stinnkin mother fuckers. We will win. Knowledge is the Key.

Real Books, not the fuckin CCN CIA run internet wikipedia bullshit misinformation service or michael moore and his merry fucking dance down the pide pippers wrong way streets. An army of gathering under the flags on David Icke and many many other teachers.

Bring it on Bush and Bin laden and all you other stinken bastards.

If you believe this, do you know why? because that is the first step to enlightenment my friend. It's because we are too powerful to control, and when the light of truth shines in us in 2012, then control wont be an issue for us anymore, unless they can reign in our way of thinking on many aspects of the illusion NOW!!! THEY are the ones behind the eight ball, and the closer it comes to 2012, the more people will wake up to the manipulation that has been happening for millennia.

[zircon]

I think you have good point. regarding left/right inversions please see my other posts - but here's a reminder, of what the left and right side are hiding, so that we don't see what's right in front of us, staring right at us, showing us a nice apparently harmless pretty picture whilst next to it you have what's really there. I think that's right about the Israeli flag and a countdown to a fake war in 2012 too

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u1/ipz_bucket/b.h%20comp.jpg

[barbitone]

I think your angle is valid SpaceLizard. I have had this basic theory in my head from piecing various bits of info together.....I have been scanning some of the "RaptureReady (http://www.raptureready.com/faq/rap23.html)" (more like RaptorReady) sites and the like, and noticed some things.....one thing that sticks out is the way they describe Jesus and his arrival, it sounds strangely familiar to the way they describe the anti-christ! The only real difference is that the anti-christ will be false and the real christ will be true, basically.

Here's some words from the Rapture Readytm response team.:D

Q's about Anti-christ:

Jesus predicted that Israel will someday foolishly receive the Antichrist as their saviour. "I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive"(John 5:43).

He will come upon the world scene offering peace to a very troubled world, according to Daniel, chapter 8. But, he will, through peace, destroy many people, the prophecy says.

Revelation, chapter 6, has him coming as the rider on the white horse. He has a bow in his hand, but has no arrows. This symbolizes that he has might but offers peace. This is deception because he is, by nature, a conqueror; the red horse of war will soon follow.This is the beginning of the campaign called Armageddon.

He will, no doubt, be the most attractive, charismatic world leader to appear on the world stage. He will come speaking great words that will mesmerize most people. Eventually, he will enslave most of the world with his mark and number system of transacting business. That same system will eventually cause all to worship him as God, or be killed.

The book of Revelation tells us that the ten kings and the Beast (Antichrist) will rule at the same time. It looks like the current timeline and the prophetic timeline are about to join up with each other.

About Israel (IS-RA-EL):

What makes Israel important to end-time prophecy are the many Scriptures that indicate that Israel will be the main setting for key tribulation events.

"And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it" (Zech. 12:3).

"And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified" (Rev. 11:7-8).

Jerusalem, the Holy City, is revered by three groups of people. For Jews, it is holy because that is where King David built the Temple. Muslims hold Jerusalem sacred because it is where the prophet, Mohammed, was said to have been transported to Heaven. And Christians revere the Holy City because it was where Jesus ministered to the people, died, rose again and then ascended to Heaven.

The battle being fought at this point in history is between the Jewish people and the Muslims. They are fighting for physical possession of the city. They can fight and manipulate, but it won't change the outcome. The final battle will be fought one day and then Jesus himself will be victorious and will reign from His throne.

Tribulation:

The word "tribulation," used as a prophetic term, comes from Jesus' Olivet discourse, during which He laid out the future course of human history all the way to its climax at His Second Coming. The Lord said, in response to His disciples’ question, "What shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?"

"For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be" (Matt. 24:21).

"Tribulation" is the term for the general era of God's judgment on a rebellious world of earth-dwellers. It is a time that will begin with Antichrist signing a seven-year covenant guaranteeing Israel's peace and security (Dan. 9:27). This era is kicked off, symbolically, beginning with the first horseman of the Apocalypse (Rev. 6:1).

"Great Tribulation" is considered to be the last three and one-half years of that seven-year period known as "Daniel's seventieth week." The last three and one-half years is called "the time of Jacob's trouble" in Jeremiah 30:7, when God's most horrific, but totally righteous, wrath is poured directly upon the rebels of planet Earth. These judgments are portrayed and precisely outlined in Revelation, chapters 6 through 19. The Tribulation will end when Christ returns from Heaven to defeat God's enemies and set up His Millennial Kingdom on earth (Rev. 19:11-16).

Couldn't find anything in words about the description of Jesus's return but I've heard preachers and other texts talk of him coming on a white horse and with a crown on his head and that we shall be mad to bow before him and call him Lord and all that clap-trap.

Sounds like they are talking about this guy>

http://a243.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/67/l_8a3360903334a9ce84b3f6d36da95942.gif

lol


Oh, and they've got us all figured out of course:D:
Do conspiracy groups really control world affairs?

The biggest mistake that conspiracy buffs make in deciding whether conspiracy groups control the world is confusing an organization's desire to control the world with its actual ability to accomplish this task. I'm sure the American Jersey Cattle Association or the Cattle Council of Australia would like everyone on earth to eat more beef, but I highly doubt they have the power to force people to consume more beef.

If you want to prove whether a group controls world affairs, you can ask some logical questions. The first question to ask is, "If these organizations have men in all branches of government, why don't they just bring forth the policies they were put there to implement?" Another question to ask is, "Why do they fight against each other if they're on the same team?"

A lot of conspiracy watchers will tell you that there is no difference between Democrats or Republicans, because many of these parties' key players hold membership in various conspiracy organizations. I would also ask, "If they worked against each other, which they clearly do, how can you say they have the same goal in mind?"

LOL where do you start!?

[barbitone]

http://www.raelianews.org/e107_images/newspost_images/original_symbol.jpg

After 15 years wearing a symbol without the original swastika when traveling in Europe and America, Rael, founder and leader of the Raelian Movement has decided to make the original symbol, the Star of David intertwined with a swastika, the only official symbol of the Raelian Movement worldwide.
Out of respect to the Jewish people who may feel bad seeing the swastika associated to the Star of David in the original symbol, Rael agreed to remove the swastika and replace it by a swirling galaxy in Europe and America. However this courteous gesture didn’t help educate people so that they know this symbol is the symbol of the Scientists who created us, symbol that has been given to every one of their Messengers, which explains why we find it on every continent, usually associated to spiritual and peaceful groups.

http://www.rael.org/e107_plugins/raelscience_menu/images/rs_icon.png

There could be some clues in this too me thinks.

His biggest thing is the condoning of cloning and greeting the Elohim back to Earth.:rolleyes:

After six consecutive meetings in the same location, Rael accepted the mission given to him, to inform humanity of this revolutionary message and to prepare the population to welcome their Creators, the Elohim, without any mysticism or fear, but as conscious and grateful human beings.

I'm not sure, but I think I read somewhere that his original name was different and he was given the name Rael by the Elohim visitor.

He does have some good things to say tho, by what I've read and heard. But then some not so good.....

[king]

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/3434/moneygamistardavidwg2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://www.wizworld.com/moneygami/

"An old Cherokee told his grandson that a battle that goes on inside each us.
The battle is between two 'wolves'.
One 'wolf' is Evil. It has anger, envy, jealousy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.
The other 'wolf' is Good. It has joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion and faith."

The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather: "Which wolf wins?"

The old Cherokee simply replied, "The one you feed.""


You might have clued into something there.

that is beautiful!

[straycat]

Was not the original star of David a 7 point star?
If so what does it mean that Israel embraces a 6 point star?

[space lizard]

maybe it means one of the pionts is hidden, I dunno.

I think another possible meaning is :
Each of the 2 triangles represents a universe and both are in a head on collision when placed in the same space.

[infinitetruth]

Yea it could mean that a major point is hidden!

I just wanted to mention about the inversion thing and the eye. We actually see everything upside down

http://www.kcsupport.org/images/eye_diagram.jpg

? So what does that mean?

Plus I looked through hundreds of photos to find the photo above--when I was a kid it was the FIRST thing I learnt about the eye (the fact that we see upside down) and a picture like this was in every reference book. ONly after looking through hundreds of photos on the internet the upside down image is not including in MANY diagrams - I wonder why? Do they want us to forget how the eye works?

Also as an artist I was often told to look at peoples faces upside down, and I often looked at my portraits upside down (the portraits always looked better upside down - uncannily this is actually the right way up???)

Not only that but while looking through eye diagrams I saw this symbol a lot

http://oldwww.com.dtu.dk/staff/cp/presentations/oecc_04_14D1_1_sup/eyes_polarisation.gif

not sure what it means heres the link http://oldwww.com.dtu.dk/staff/cp/presentations/oecc_04_14D1_1_sup1.html

its gobbledegook to me but it reminded me of the double helix.

[albie]

The flag of Israel, watched Credo Mutwa DVD 1 last night, David and Credo are speaking about the ancient meaning of the star on the flag of israel.

Credo stated that it represents 2 seperate univrerse's that exist within each other, on triange is a universe and so is the other, they lay upon each other and exist in the same space.


HERES MY ADDIOTION TO THE THEORY:
We see everything in 3 dimensions. Front / Right / Left. This is represented by the triangle pointing up,

The triangle pointing down is reality.

In the centre of the symbol is a circle fromed by the 2 triangles. AN EYE

what happens when reality is passed through the human eye?

Left becomes right Right becomes left.

The star on the israel flag is a symbol meaning the inversion of reality through the eye.


Believe it or not I don't do drugs.

Human beings evolved from one eyed fish who could see reaility correctly. The 2 eyed humans see things as they are not. Read about Cyclops to uncover the truth about the giant one eyed creature who lives in a cave and eats humans to realise what Credo Mutwa talks about is very fuckin real.

Not very convincing I have to say. What's with all this left becoming right?

[albie]

Plus I looked through hundreds of photos to find the photo above--when I was a kid it was the FIRST thing I learnt about the eye (the fact that we see upside down) and a picture like this was in every reference book. ONly after looking through hundreds of photos on the internet the upside down image is not including in MANY diagrams - I wonder why? Do they want us to forget how the eye works?
Also as an artist I was often told to look at peoples faces upside down, and I often looked at my portraits upside down (the portraits always looked better upside down - uncannily this is actually the right way up???)

Not only that but while looking through eye diagrams I saw this symbol a lot

That's really paranoid. Everyone with with basic knowledge of biology knows about this.
You think not being able to find a pic is a conspiracy?

[albie]

http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=eye%20upside%20down&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi

[infinitetruth]

Wow you found even better pictures than me

And no its not a conspiracy but I will think you will find a lot more pictures without than with, and since it is such a basic fact it is a little strange - shouldn't every diagram have the inverted picture?

http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=eye+diagram&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2

seems a little redundant not to include it

[space lizard]

99 percent of questions do not need to be asked.

go to the start of the thread instead of wandering into the room after an hours conversation and going "that's a load of bollocks"

or google "inversion hypothesis"

[zircon]

Another more usual interpretation of the six-pointed star is the pyramid and inverted pyramid idea (that could be justifed by the upside-down imagery of the eye, as you explain above) that represents the male and female (made famous in the Da Vinci Code obviously) and thus came to represent the world and sky combined, the unification of spirit and body, or the coming of spirit into the world, the transcendence of the body, and alchemical secrets (fire and water), loss of difference bewteen male and female; however it is also regarded as the seal of solomon and mark of the beast due to the six sides, and also it was adopted by gnostic, cabalists and then zionists, from an earlier - possibly egyptian? - meaning of association with Saturn as Ashtoreth or as Jahweh (links to Oannes and to the Pope's mitre), also the Menorah or Masonic square, compass; Blavastsky used it as a symbol of conflict between light and dark; it's used in transcendental magic, as the highest degree of initiation; it might be used in the future as a mark that people have to wear (to enslave them or to lead them to freedom?) (as it was in WWII) - these sites have some interesting observations
http://www.watch.pair.com/mark.html
http://freemasonrywatch.org/sixpointedstar.html
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/judaism/FAQ/05-Worship/section-79.html
http://shamash.org/lists/scj-faq/HTML/faq/11-09-02.html
Personally I feel that the light and darkness elements are overlooked - for me that is less in the up-and-down symmetry of the star but more in the left-and-right, because I believe that the brain occludes this aspect and through the right and left hemispheres gives an apparent normalcy to what is distorted and hidden. Thus we need to look at what is behind the star, its uses in (corporate and national) branding (interesting word)

[barbitone]

Not very convincing I have to say. What's with all this left becoming right?

IMO - It's symbolic of 2 very key aspects: The 5 sense conspiracy that is completely backwards, in fact satanic based which has that very attribute at the core. And the way in which we perceive that 5 sense reality. Predominately through the ocular senses which happen to perceive things in reverse. (btw - don't the eyes also perceive things in mirror image way also?)
I think there is something of interest here. Not nesscercarily a huge development, but some good food for thought.

Wow you found even better pictures than me

And no its not a conspiracy but I will think you will find a lot more pictures without than with, and since it is such a basic fact it is a little strange - shouldn't every diagram have the inverted picture?

http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=eye+diagram&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2

seems a little redundant not to include it

I do notice that that search is just searching for eye diagrams, so in scientific style, they usually just show you what you ask for, to keep it simple and to the point so as not to over complicate things for people that just want that isolated piece of info. You want a diagram of an eye; you find it. You want to find a diagram of how the eye perceives light; you'll find that too by searching that specific thing.....

[barbitone]

to be honest I can't really get my head around what's happening in the situation here anyway. we say it comes in upside down, but we can only say it's "upside down" as perceived relatively\in association with "the right side up". Where does it start? What's the "right way up" if it's only relative to it's opposite? Know what I mean? This also happens to be a great metaphor in terms of all perceived reality. It is all relative. Therefore illusion.

Fuck me.....I'm so deep down this damn rabbit hole that I'm trying to dig my way out!:D "how do I get out of this hole!? I know! I'll dig my way out!" lol:D (I hope someone gets this joke, otherwise I'll look a right twat)

[limelady]

to be honest I can't really get my head around what's happening in the situation here anyway. we say it comes in upside down, but we can only say it's "upside down" as perceived relatively\in association with "the right side up". Where does it start? What's the "right way up" if it's only relative to it's opposite? Know what I mean? This also happens to be a great metaphor in terms of all perceived reality. It is all relative. Therefore illusion.

Fuck me.....I'm so deep down this damn rabbit hole that I'm trying to dig my way out!:D "how do I get out of this hole!? I know! I'll dig my way out!" lol:D (I hope someone gets this joke, otherwise I'll look a right twat)

Barbitone, why don't you take up quilting instead.....they tell
me its VERY therapeutic .....LoL !!!

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/6300/screenhunter043nf8.jpg

[space lizard]

well it works like this, You view a clock, the time is 3 O'clock. When the image travels through the eye, it hits the wall at the back and the hands are in opposite positions. the hand at 12 is now pointing down and the hand at 3 is now pointing left. The brain works out the way its supposed to be and flips the image so we see things correctly.

If you wear prism glasses for about 3 weeks, when you first put them on, everything is flipped both on each axis through the center, (like looking at your reflection in a spoon). BUT after a couple of week your brain works out what is going on and you see things normally even though they are hitting the back of your eyes in the reverse of what you have experienced all your life.

This is the reason the illuminati use reverse symbolism (in my opinion). They knowthe our subciosious mind understands the reversal of ancient positive symbols even if our subjective minds are blind to it all.

[albie]

Wow you found even better pictures than me

And no its not a conspiracy but I will think you will find a lot more pictures without than with, and since it is such a basic fact it is a little strange - shouldn't every diagram have the inverted picture?

http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=eye+diagram&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2

seems a little redundant not to include it

You have found a page describing the biology of the eye. Not a page on the function of sight.

That's like googling " chainsaw" when what you want is " how to cut a tree down".

I don't get how the star of david would relate to this. They have a flag concerning how the eye turns images upside down?

Doesn't really make sense. Why? Do you think that would be of any use to them spiritually?

[mountain]

so israil has the gate to another dimension? there is a reason that they want the middle east, and the pyramids in egypt were rumoured to be used as inter dimensional gates.

The Middle East has a massive portal for 4th dimensional entities to enter. That is why there is alot of focus there. Also, the military are there to close off certain areas as important artifacts are escavated.

[joss classey]

all perception of spacetime is based on the unsolvable equation that is infinity

[mynameis]

If you can scroll back to look at the star of david it actually also can represent a sun when the colors are inverted. Also the interlocking features of male and female energies and earth and sun, or fire and water in the occult world. There is also geometric reason for it's called fire as a triangle, I forgot where I read this. It's also a trinity.

[majicdragon]

The flag of Israel, watched Credo Mutwa DVD 1 last night, David and Credo are speaking about the ancient meaning of the star on the flag of israel.

Credo stated that it represents 2 seperate univrerse's that exist within each other, on triange is a universe and so is the other, they lay upon each other and exist in the same space.

Wow, I thought I had a revelation that it could be SAG DEG, and the Milky Way, but then they're talking about two universes, and not two galaxies.

[xdnax]

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/3434/moneygamistardavidwg2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://www.wizworld.com/moneygami/

"An old Cherokee told his grandson that a battle that goes on inside each us.
The battle is between two 'wolves'.
One 'wolf' is Evil. It has anger, envy, jealousy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.
The other 'wolf' is Good. It has joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion and faith."

The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather: "Which wolf wins?"

The old Cherokee simply replied, "The one you feed.""


You might have clued into something there.


thanks for that quote mate. ive just told it to someone who really needs such an analogy right now. thanks.

[cheeb]

The Shield Of David:

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/5441/solom1ww8.jpg

The Seal Of Solomon.

Was on a ring that King Solomon possesed.
On which the name of God(Tetragrammaton-YHVH)
was engraved.
Apparently it could control daemons.
---------------------------------------------------
Solomon built the first Temple at Jerusalem,
I would have thought the whole point,
Of Israel was to connect back to antiquety,

Maybe get a third Temple built.

When the Red Heffer gets slaughtered on this site,
That is when Biblical prophesy is being fulfilled.

Thats the time to start worrying,

The bit underneath the dotted line,
Is speculation from me!!!

:eek:

[razed1]

http://i23.tinypic.com/x0pwls.gif

theres always something more to it

check "star tetrahedron"

http://i21.tinypic.com/2v0c2yq.gif

[synergy777]

http://irishoriginsofcivilization.com/appendices/appendix8.html

STAR

A very important term in the ancient world. The word, and the symbol of the star, was used as a title to distinguish high level adepts and initiates of "Judaic" cults and sects. The Queen of Sheba, for instance, meant "Queen of the Star." The so-called "Star of David," is really the star of the Hyksos Dynasty of kings in Egypt, that history knows as the Israelites

hyskos are indians. it called the shatkona, shiva/shakti united, like yin/yang.

http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefshexagram.htm

hexagram is a six pointed star composed of two overlapped triangles, found in use by a number of faiths and cultures. Outside of the cross and the swastika, the hexagram is one of the oldest and most universal spiritual symbols.

It is associated with the Biblical Solomon, known as the Star of David in the Jewish religion.

The Seal of Solomon

In Ritual Magick, the hexagon is called the Seal of Solomon, and represents Divine Union, being composed of a female, watery triangle, and a male, fiery triangle. The traditional elemental triangles of earth, air, water, and fire are derived from the seal.

When the points of a hexagram are connected, a hexagon is formed. Kabbalistically, the hexagram represents the Sefirah Tifaret, perfection.

Hindu Shatkona

In the Hindu religion, the hexagram is called the Shatkona, and is equivalent to the symbolism in ritual magick. The Shatkona is the combination of the Shiva kona (trikona, triangle), the symbol of the God Shiva, representing the element of fire, and the Shakti kona, representing the element of water. Together, they represent the union of male and female, and the heart chakra.


http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefsmagen.htm

Star of David (Magen David, Shield of David)

The Star of David is the primary modern emblem of the Jewish religion. How it came to be such is a matter of some debate. Legend has it that the emblem was used by the Biblical King David (hence the name 'Magen David,' or shield of David).

In reality, it was not associated specifically with the faith until the middle ages, when it began to appear on flags, tombstones, and synagogue decorations. It is probably not coincidental that the symbol was important to the flourishing kabbalistic tradition of the same time period. Kabbalistically, the hexagram symbolizes the six directions of space, the divine union of male and female energy, and the four elements.

The Star of David is also important in the Rastafarian and Messianic Christian religions. A Rastafarian version

http://log24.com/blog/0305.html

The Eightfold Way and Solomon's Seal

Introduction to Yantra

by Horia Cristescu and
Dan Bozaru

The Triangle (TRIKONA)

The triangle (TRIKONA) is the symbol of SHAKTI , the feminine energy or aspect of Creation. The triangle pointing down represents the YONI , the feminine sexual organ and the symbol of the supreme source of the Universe, and when the triangle is pointing upwards it signifies intense spiritual aspiration, the sublimation of one's nature into the most subtle planes and the element of fire (AGNI TATTVA). The fire is always oriented upwards, thus the correlation with the upward triangle - SHIVA KONA. On the other hand, the downward pointing triangle signifies the element of water which always tends to flown and occupy the lowest possible position. This triangle is known as SHAKTI KONA.

The intersection of two geometric forms (lines, triangles, circles, etc.) represents forces that are even more intense than those generated by the simple forms. Such an interpenetration indicates a high level in the dynamic interaction of the correspondent energies. The empty spaces generated by such combinations are described as very efficient operational fields of the forces emanating from the central point of the YANTRA. That is why we can very often encounter representations of MANTRAS in such spaces. YANTRA and MANTRA are complementary aspects of SHIVA and their use together is much more efficient than the use of one alone.


The Six Points Star (SHATKONA)

A typical combination often found in the graphical structure of a YANTRA is the superposition of two triangles, one pointing upwards and the other downwards, forming a star with six points (SHATKONA), also known as David's Star. This form symbolically represents the union of PURUSHA and PRAKRITI or SHIVA-SHAKTI, without which there could be no Creation.

TRIKONA

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/1164/030525trikonalj1.jpg


SHATKONA

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/3427/030525shatkonasr3.jpg

[synergy777]

http://www.ccel.org/j/josephus/works/apion-1.htm

flavius josephus contra apinon chapter 1 verse 22:16

these Jews are derived from the Indian philosophers; they are named by the Indians Calami, and by the Syrians Judaei, and took their name from the country they inhabit, which is called Judea; but for the name of their city, it is a very awkward one, for they call it Jerusalem

http://www.ccel.org/j/josephus/works/JOSEPHUS.HTM

The Works of Flavius Josephus

Translated by William Whiston

[intruder]

It also represents sphere packing symmetries. Take seven coins of the same size....place one down on the table....you need 6 to form a new circle around the center one, no less, no more. If we were to use spheres you would find that 12 around 1 are required to form a new sphere, or a "dimensional shift".

12 around 1...where have we heard that before?