Vaccinations for baby at 2 months

[mr marvellous]

Our first babys 2 months and due for the 5 in 1 vaccination (Diptheria, Polio, tetanus etc), just wanted peoples thoughts. I've heard that Polio especially is worth getting done. Any thoughts?

[broadperspective]

Sorry but no vaccinations are worth being received. You just have to make sure your baby is filled with everything that will allow him or her to develop a strong immune system capable of fighting off anything !

[boots]

Our first babys 2 months and due for the 5 in 1 vaccination (Diptheria, Polio, tetanus etc), just wanted peoples thoughts. I've heard that Polio especially is worth getting done. Any thoughts?

5 in 1 shot's :eek:

IMO that's to much for a young body to take. Why would you need it polio the disease has been eradicated and it is just a scaremongering by the big pharma companies to make more money.

If you woould like to know what goes in to a vaccine then you can look at this post.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=803844&postcount=20


Or checkout the vid in this thread.


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55278

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/lday3.htm

If you still want to get the babe vaccinated then look into the homeopathic option.

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[pacoquerak]

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besides, if your child is at risk for any of those, he is at risk for other things too...

breast milk should see him through just fine

[jolinemaria]

Homeopatic alternatives for vaccines:
http://www.thinktwice.com/nosodes.htm

The best immmunesystem builder for a baby is breastmilk.

[i_am]

I would not give advice on this to anyone however I would advise them to read everything they can lay their hands on before making an informed decision.

[starstuff]

I can't help you much as you're the parent and it's your choice not mine. What I can tell you is that my eldest child received all his vaccines, my second one had them all except for the meningitis C, and my youngest only had the dip/polio/thingy one. I'm still getting letters about taking him in for his MMR - fat chance! None of them suffered any ill effects that I know of. I wouldn't have any of them vaccinated if I was going through it all again, though.

In the end it comes down to whether you think the risk of vaccine damage (both the known autism problem and any others that we don't know about yet) is higher or lower than the risk of (a) catching the diseases in the first place and then (b) the possible complications of the disease if they catch them. For MMR there was no doubt in my mind that the vaccine is for normal childhood diseases that children should be allowed to catch. (If I'd had a girl I'd have seriously consider the rubella jab when she was older, but not at that age and not as part of the combined vaccine.) I didn't like the sound of polio so I went ahead with that one, but I didn't know about homeopathic alternatives - they sound much better!

Just to add to your dilemma (sorry!) I've recently had my doubts about the "wisdom" of allowing your child to be stabbed by a needle at an age that they look to you for protection from harm.

[pacoquerak]

I would not give advice on this to anyone however I would advise them to read everything they can lay their hands on before making an informed decision.

exactly, INFORMED. Something people don't really seem to have a grasp on here in the states.

[kiwimaj]

Our first babys 2 months and due for the 5 in 1 vaccination (Diptheria, Polio, tetanus etc), just wanted peoples thoughts. I've heard that Polio especially is worth getting done. Any thoughts?

I would say, in MY OPINION...DO NOT GET ANY FORM OF VACCINATIONS, WHATSOEVER.....

Do the research and you will soon find that not only are they NOT NEEDED and it has been a huge conspiracy to get the masses to do it, but the stuff that is actually in the vaccines are POISON...stuff that is meant to harm the immune system.

5 in 1 ??????????WHAT.....good grief!!!!!!!!

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, THINK VERY CAREFULLY BEFORE YOU ALLOW YOUR CHILD TO BE VIOLATED LIKE THAT...

:eek:

[mr marvellous]

thanks for the replies, it's not me that needs convincing. If it was down to me I wouldn't get any vaccines, I haven't had any myself since my boosters at age 14 (now 37).

My wife is so worried about not vaccinating, i'm at least going insist that we wait til he's 6 months to 1 year old. But even so it makes my skin crawl thinking about him having any vaccine.

But in answer to her concerns I need to come up with answers to

1. What would we do if he caught Polio? People of my mums generation got deformaties from it. I can't think of an answer to justify that. Even Ron Pauls said he's in favour of that one.

2. Tetanus, same as 1. Would you just get the jab if he had an accident and sat on a rusty nail?

3. Same question for Meningitus

4. whooping cough

5. diptheria

We've got an appointment with a homeopath next week, but from our discussion on the phone i'm sure they are going to sit on the fence when it comes to giving advice about whether to vaccinate or not.

Thanks again

[pri01]

If I had my children with the knowledge that I have now, I would choose not to have them vaccinated. However, my eldest daughter is having her first baby this coming June. I would love to tell her not to have the baby vaccinated but I won't. She has to make an informed decision with her partner. So I suppose I should ask her to do some research and then make her mind up.

[amethyst2009]

It's difficult to make an informed decision though, as GPs spout so much rubbish and skim over the fact that vaccine damage is REAL and happening every day.
Make sure they talk to others who have been in the same position, make sure they visit a site like JABS so they can see the effects of vaccine damage on families.

We live with the decision we made all those years ago, every single day,when we look at our son, massivaly damaged by the DTP ( there is so much talk about MMR that it is forgotten that the DTP can cause massive brain damage to some children)


My youngest, born prem, has not had any jabs, he has recently sailed though the mumps with ease, and has a stronger immune system because he has naturally had and fough the ailment.
It is a worrying time , especially for new parents, but an informed decision can only be made when you know all of the facts, not just the lies that the HV or GP will tell them

[starstuff]

thanks for the replies, it's not me that needs convincing. If it was down to me I wouldn't get any vaccines, I haven't had any myself since my boosters at age 14 (now 37).

My wife is so worried about not vaccinating, i'm at least going insist that we wait til he's 6 months to 1 year old. But even so it makes my skin crawl thinking about him having any vaccine.

But in answer to her concerns I need to come up with answers to

1. What would we do if he caught Polio? People of my mums generation got deformaties from it. I can't think of an answer to justify that. Even Ron Pauls said he's in favour of that one.

2. Tetanus, same as 1. Would you just get the jab if he had an accident and sat on a rusty nail?

3. Same question for Meningitus

4. whooping cough

5. diptheria

We've got an appointment with a homeopath next week, but from our discussion on the phone i'm sure they are going to sit on the fence when it comes to giving advice about whether to vaccinate or not.

Thanks again

I think you're doing the right thing by insisting on holding out til he's older at the very least.

There's an ex-doctor called Vernon Coleman who is very anti-vaccine. General overview: http://www.vernoncoleman.com/ignoredrwakefield.htm; details of each vaccine: http://www.vernoncoleman.com/vaccines.htm. That might help.

1. I don't know, polio's a toughie. To some extent you can rely on the "herd immunity" that they so often like to go on about - catching any of the vaccinated diseases is (theoretically!) less likely whilst over 80% of the population is being vaccinated. When everyone else wakes up to the dangers of vaccines, though, this theoretical benefit is gone. I'd definitely investigate any and every alternative to vaccination for this one. I'm pretty sure they used to give polio vaccine orally via a drop on a sugar cube when I was young, so if you wanted a needle-less vaccination you might be able to pay for that privately if it's the only one you want to go ahead with and your wife doesn't want to use an alternative form of vaccination.

2. Yes, this is what I'm doing with my youngest, if he gets a deep wound he will get a tetanus jab then.

3. If they get it they get it. Sounds horrible but I'd rather trust to their own immune systems to fight it off on the slim chance any of them catches it, than risk the same damage from the definite exposure to the vaccine.

4. My uncle caught whooping cough last summer. It was a really nasty illness, he was unable to sleep for more than a couple of hours at a time and had real difficulty breathing, and had to stop work for a few months until he got his strength back. My mum had been to see him a couple of days before the illness broke, so she'd been exposed to him during the infectious period and had to wait two weeks to see if she was in the clear or not. She was given some medicine immediately, so that if she had caught it her symptoms would be less severe. I assume the same would be true for your little one if he was ever exposed to the germ.

"Treatment of Whooping Cough
Erythromycin is the drug of choice for the treatment of Bordetella pertussis infection. Administration of erythromycin during the early stage of the disease may prevent it progressing to the paroxysmal or coughing stage. But once the cough begins, antibiotics do not seem to shorten its duration. Hospitalization may be required, almost uniformly for infants less than 3 months and often for infants between 3 and 6 months.

Suction to remove the secretions from the upper nose and upper respiratory tract may be necessary in very young children, and oxygen also may be required. Fluids should be given to prevent dehydration, and even though the disease is exhausting and a child may not feel like eating, maintaining nutrition is important, especially in an infant."

(http://www.healthscout.com/ency/68/699/main.html)

- IE you can help prevent it/reduce the severity of the symptoms with antibiotics on exposure and deal with the symptoms by hospitalisation if it is really bad, there's no need for vaccination.

5. Don't know anything about that, sorry.

[lightblessins]

breast is best!:D

[ex sheep]

If they would not put Mercury and Thimerosal into vaccines we could maybe see the point of having them to prevent illnesses.

But that's like asking the Rothchilds to give up the bank of England to the people, it aint gonna happen.

If I knew then what I know now, I would not have any children vaccinated, I can remember sitting watching the baby scream, and saying to myself " it's for the best, these people know what they are doing"
but now, no way.
My child is due the 2nd MMR and I am just so exited that I now have made an informed choice that these useless misinformed Medical Staff are "not" going to do it again. That makes me feel good.

The problem is it's not really the doctors or Medical Staff that's to blame, they have been dupped the same as us.

I'm glad I know what I know now :)

But as has been said before, you do some investigation into it and you make your own informed choice.

[mr marvellous]

Thanks thats really helpful, it was really the practical side of what we do if we don't vaccinate. i.e. what you do if you get any of the individual illnesses. I've ruled out getting MMR anyway, its just the DTP one.

Thanks starsuff your post was spot on, any other experiences that people have had i'd really like to hear, plus anyone else in this dilema?

Cheers

[14april2000]

Hi Marvel,

I found some great infomation that would help your new baby. Hope you and your wife have not jet give him any Vaccinations?

hope this help
April

Breastfeeding is the greatest immune stimulating and creating weapon there is of all with a baby. When breastfeeding the mother should be efficient in minerals, vitamins etc. Most mothers are deficent and they should start consuming Marshmellow Root in gruels 2-3 times daily. This will then give the child everything it desires and help it to sleep better and longer. The reason children don't do this usually is because the so-called food or breat milk they get is so deficient. So the child ends up whaling for more food to try and make it up what should have been there in the first place. There is no need for inoculation of any child. This feminine needs to start smelling the coffee and quickly before she ends up turning her child autistic. It's all mind control! A child should have its breast milk then go onto fresh vegetables stewed/liquidated after that. This gives them the nutrition as well as saving the parents a fortune in pathetic baby so-called food off the poison shelves in the poison War*Warts etc. I know someone whos looked after their child this way and he is very healthy and alert. When they can stomach it then fruits can be used. A child must get to learn to eat fruit very early on and then get to love it the rest of their life. A childs diet should be as its older Fruits, Vegetables, Grains, Nuts and Seeds and nothing else. A child doesn't need an alternative diet as such to not be vaccinated. The alternative diets though cut down on the mucus which is the cause of almost all baby problems. Cut down the mucus then health will shine. Babies must only have human breast milk and NOT cows milk or any other, they are human. These others have properties for the cow and are too high in fat and hormone content. This is the reason those milks create more mucus problems than breast milk which was designed for human baby. The child must be seen regular by a chiropacter or osteopath. COMMON SENSE! Craig Oxley

LINK (http://z10.invisionfree.com/The_Unhived_Mind_II/index.php?showtopic=8410)


Alexandra :
I'd also keep in mind that vaccines wear down the immune system and babies don't have much of one to begin with, if any. Craig is right, breastfeeding is the best way to go. More like the only good way.

[mr marvellous]

Still not vaccinated yet, baby now 3 months old and healthy. We've kept him pretty isolated, especially from other babies.

I was just thinking about the bigger picture, under the stewardship of our governments compared to 100 years ago people's health & life expectancy is better. Are us 'conspiracy theorists' getting too paranoid about vaccines? (just playing devils advocate here)

I spent an hour on the phone to a friend of my dad's a GP in the UK, who explained he's the first to be skeptical about the pharmaceutical industry (he refuses to see drug reps etc). He gave me his take on vaccines. He had met an 18 yr old boy who had mumps and was deaf all his life, also knew of a 40 yr old man who had a car accident abroad and died of tetanus. He conceeded that originally in the 1960s vaccines were impure and had their problems. But thought they were worth having.

Again with my conspiracy theorist hat on, if evil governments were trying to use vaccines to dumb us down/ population control - why would they arse around like this, there's quicker ways of doing it. Leaving paranoia aside, we in the western world have a better standard of living than previous generations. I've got my freedom.

Why question if vaccines are worth having?

Anyway i'm still in two minds about what to do, we're seeing a homeopathist who going to give us some advice next week.

[decided]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6890106663412840646

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&v=ELx2eX_kM-w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&v=E5Fdgj-Sisg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj7AN4fRe6s&eurl=http://www.wtprn.com/

[mr marvellous]

We've still not vaccinated our 2 yr old boy at all. We've narrowed it down to if we just get the single tetanus vaccine done, because he's now playing outside in the dirt.

Any thoughts/ ideas?

[whale]

We've still not vaccinated our 2 yr old boy at all. We've narrowed it down to if we just get the single tetanus vaccine done, because he's now playing outside in the dirt. Any thoughts/ ideas?

I'd worry about tetanus if I'd forked my foot badly with a muck fork but I'd never think a tet vaccine was going to save me. Peroxide and a zapper. If the vaccine boys actually cared about saving anyone from infections they would use IV Vitamin C, the cure for all infections that they have know about for 60 years.

http://whale.to/vaccines/tetanus.html

"Wounds that bleed will never result in tetanus because the tetanus bacillus is anaerobic. It is absolutely silly to vaccinate boys who cut their knees. The only reason behind that is money."--Dr Buchwald MD

" In Philadelphia and vicinity there were in the autumn of 1901 no fewer than thirty-six cases of tetanus, or lockjaw, which were admitted to have resulted from vaccination, and nearly all were fatal."--John Pitcairn

"A tetanus vaccination cannot possibly protect from the disease since the human organism cannot build up any immunity after contracting the disease (as is the same after HIB, diphtheria or TB). So, if nature hasn’t planned the immunity, how does the vaccine work? Furthermore, the tetanus vaccination (as is the case with the diphtheria vaccine) is a so-called toxoid vaccine. The killed poison of the tetanus bacilli is injected into the body and meant to protect us. But the human body cannot build up immunity against poisons. How can the vaccine protect us then? The official statistics of the various countries show us that the vaccine does not protect us. The Robert Koch Institute in Germany admits that 2/3 people who contract tetanus have been fully vaccinated. The rate in Switzerland was 50% fully vaccinated and still contracted the disease."---Anita Petek-Dimmer

Heck, there are only something like 5 cases of tetanus per year in the entire U.S., and the major risk factors are IV drug use, major burns, and stasis ulcers in the elderly. I only saw 2 cases in my very intensive medical training, both major (>50% whole body) burns. Most docs have never seen it. ----Tetanus/Vaccines/more From Will Taylor, Homeopath

[winegums]

We've still not vaccinated our 2 yr old boy at all. We've narrowed it down to if we just get the single tetanus vaccine done, because he's now playing outside in the dirt.

Any thoughts/ ideas?

I'd say the real concern is the list of issues your wife had about things like mumps, measles, rubella, etc.

I think tetanus has about 50 cases per million in America, higher incidence amongst certain at-risk groups than others.

[whale]

Our first babys 2 months and due for the 5 in 1 vaccination (Diptheria, Polio, tetanus etc), just wanted peoples thoughts. I've heard that Polio especially is worth getting done. Any thoughts?

Polio is one of the greatest frauds of all time http://whale.to/v/polio2.htm

"Polio is NOT even contagious or infectious (never proven to be). There is NO proof Polio is caused by a virus. There is NO evidence that anyone caught polio from another person in the family. There is NO evidence that any nurse or doctor caught polio from a patient." Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA

[blue2]

Our first babys 2 months and due for the 5 in 1 vaccination (Diptheria, Polio, tetanus etc), just wanted peoples thoughts. I've heard that Polio especially is worth getting done. Any thoughts?

All i can say is i beg you do not do it don't allow this poison into your far too young baby. Back in the eighties i refused 3 in 1 for Diptheria and thank god i did as my baby was born more or less with infantile eczema and did go on to have whooping cough and he had mumps and german measles-he survived well without but the one or two he did have i am sure led onto him having bronchitis at 10 weeks and allergies to all baby foods,he had to be breast fed for few yrs and had only fresh mashed vegetables beginning at 7 months,no eggs or bread he vomitted and he was allergic to the sunshine to his face,it would swell up.

Thankfully my motherly gut instinct kicked in and i said to the GP at the time who was one of first to get trained in Homeopathy so i voiced my concerns, he listened, and we decided against multiples but i am sure that cos he did have some single ones it actually put diseases into his little body.

The poisons have gotten worse since then..he did have scarlet fever too and of course the GP's at the time had never seen it so weren't sure-so then he was given multiples of antibiotics therefore i now know would have filled his little body with parasitic candida overgrowth, had terrible trouble with him with multiple recurrent infections when i think back after this. Vaccines can and do lead on to Hypothyroidism and can cause breathing problems and is a cause of SID - and the shaken baby syndrome is now being thought of as vaccine damage.

A little boy next door to me now is about 3 yrs and he had prolonged upper respiratory infections for ages and was sleepy after his vaccines and his parents so believe in the system that they have been scaremongered into via medics, it worries me. How can you begin to help people like that who just look at you as if you are a creep and what would you know but who go along and question nothing when you should question everything.

I don't want you to think i am scare mongering here as not all get so bad off them but even so if i had a baby now with the knowledge i have and had a choice it would be to not have any and i would have been using fresh organic juicing and and no gluten or refined sugars and certainly learn about additives and in baby milks-visit Homeopathic Dr's outside of NHS,tell the powers that be.

What vaccines contain is actually the disease and other synthetic nasties...take heed with flu vaccines for instance. I would make my own medicine for any infections like colds from early age and keep candida in check ! like with a cup of Raw Honey,cup of aspalls organic apple cyder vinegar, raw garlic cloves not as many as you would for an adult which would be half a bulb just put one or two in of cloves in, obviously you would dilute this, but you just blend it all up and store in glass jar in the fridge and teaspoon in some freshly juiced juice each morning and night time-even half teaspoon of bicarbonate soda seperately in water, not tap water,will alkalise, say two or three times daily if infected, but once daily if no infections for protection,it is a cell salt,or use Cell Food,see Direct Healing dot co dot uk site for this.

Biocare do Nutrisorb Liquid Trace Minerals too-even Biotics Vit A and D emulsion are excellent for infections-one drop daily is all that is needed.

Work on presumption of Parasites and Pollutants causation of bad health-viruses attach onto Heavy Metals and leave behind parasites,heavy synthetic metals like mercury in vaccines. Who said Polio vaccine is good? ME/Hypothyroidism has been known to come off these things. Why paralyse and knock an immature immune system down when you can build it up.

And by the way just because no evidence to prove or disprove something does not mean it is not a possible in it's existence for something bad to come from it.

One other thing there is nothing natural for the body within the confines of Big Pharma Medicines they are far removed and synthetically produced.Why do you think they have to be under Licence? they are dangerous that is why and it protects Medics from being sued hence why they are under Insurance.There is such a thing as The Medical Protection Society, you have to question why they would need such an establishment in the first place if all was well.

[chickadee]

My son is almost two, and he has special needs. The doctors are always riding my ass about vaccs for him, and other vaccs normal babies wouldn't get. I HATE the fact that he gets them. But if I say "I do not want that filth in my child." CPS would take my baby in a heartbeat. I have researched some, not all. But imo I don't want him taking any at this point.

[antinwo]

I think your son is very lucky to have not received any vaccinations. Well done to you. My daughter is three and a half and has not had any:)

[angelthecat]

you only need ask yourself one question

why do you not see dead wild animals [unless its usually roadkill]
never seen a sparrow with mumps?
never seen a badger with measles?
never seen a dear with asthma?
[strange that they dont even appear to die of old age!]

well all domestic animals get ill but they eat processed food
wild animals do not get a vaccination and disease is created to exterminate them [Myxomatosis to stop you trapping your own food]
nearly all disease is created and delivered through processed foods and water without which there would be no pharma to offer vaccines for profit.
simple and end of.

[winegums]

you only need ask yourself one question

why do you not see dead wild animals [unless its usually roadkill]
never seen a sparrow with mumps?
never seen a badger with measles?
never seen a dear with asthma?
[strange that they dont even appear to die of old age!]

Well, those are like five questions. And bad ones, to boot.
How often do you see dead humans? I bet it's very rarely (well, unless you're a mortician).Most people don't see dead wild animals, because most people don't spend all their time wandering around where wild animals live.

And are you seriously suggesting that animals don't get sick? That bacteria and viruses don't affect them?

[whale]

My son is almost two, and he has special needs. The doctors are always riding my ass about vaccs for him, and other vaccs normal babies wouldn't get. I HATE the fact that he gets them. But if I say "I do not want that filth in my child." CPS would take my baby in a heartbeat. I have researched some, not all. But imo I don't want him taking any at this point.

CPS is a Gestapo outfit

make sure he is well dosed on Vitamin C before he gets his vaccines. Dr Kalokerinos discovered it prevents cot-death, which is mostly due to vax poisons. Dr Saul has the best site re vit C http://whale.to/m/saul1.html and follow his doesage guidlines, as another conspiracy is suppressing our true needs http://whale.to/a/rda.html

RDA for Vitamin C is 10% of USDA Standard for Guinea Pigs

there are religious exemptions in the us http://whale.to/vaccines/ex.html

[sephera]

I recommend homeopathic vaccines. They are harmless. Unfortunately in Australia they don't let your kids into schools without vaccination certificates. That makes me pretty sick.

[dude111]

My wife is so worried about not vaccinating, i'm at least going insist that we wait til he's 6 months to 1 year old.Please tell her not to worry,your baby has an IMMUNE SYSTEM and its better that it not be compromised..


Good luck :)