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bowtiedaddy
03-03-2009, 03:39 PM
Hey folks.

Being a citizen of what was once the Territory of Washington (Washington State) in the USA, I've been thinking a lot about the state sovereignty resolutions stating that the 10th amendment will be upheld, including (in a worst case scenario) the abolition and reinstating of the US government.

I've been doing a bit of research on the original Freeman status of Americans within their states, and the usurping of these rights via various means, such as birth certificate, registering to vote, and signed social security cards, bringing us under military jurisdiction of the 10 mile nation of the District of Columbia. I am aware that these effectively sign over 1. our freeman status 2. assert that we agree to become liable for the national debt 3. designate "the state" as the property owner and us as just the care taker 4. most likely other things, I'm sure.

If this is the case, would we have to pay off our portion of the national debt in order to be legal freemen in the united states? Also... if the states did end up dissolving the general government as per the 10th amendment to the modern US constitution, what would happen to the debt? For example... if one is registered as a Federal citizen via their birth certificate, and thus under jurisdiction under the nation of the District of Columbia/USA corporation, how would this be effected by the state of our birth either seceding from the union, or dissolving the general government as per the 10th Amendment to the Modern US/USA Inc. constitution?

Would we all just be a bunch of slaves living in a sovereign state, liable to a foreign power? If this is so, would there be any action on a citizen level that would release us from this liability? Would we have to pay the roughly $60,000 debt we are born with? If the corporation of the USA is dissolved, does that release us from liability, or does that fuck us even further?

Am I not thinking of this correctly?

the worm that turned
03-03-2009, 05:09 PM
Hey folks.

Being a citizen of what was once the Territory of Washington (Washington State) in the USA, I've been thinking a lot about the state sovereignty resolutions stating that the 10th amendment will be upheld, including (in a worst case scenario) the abolition and reinstating of the US government.

I've been doing a bit of research on the original Freeman status of Americans within their states, and the usurping of these rights via various means, such as birth certificate, registering to vote, and signed social security cards, bringing us under military jurisdiction of the 10 mile nation of the District of Columbia. I am aware that these effectively sign over 1. our freeman status 2. assert that we agree to become liable for the national debt 3. designate "the state" as the property owner and us as just the care taker 4. most likely other things, I'm sure.

If this is the case, would we have to pay off our portion of the national debt in order to be legal freemen in the united states? Also... if the states did end up dissolving the general government as per the 10th amendment to the modern US constitution, what would happen to the debt? For example... if one is registered as a Federal citizen via their birth certificate, and thus under jurisdiction under the nation of the District of Columbia/USA corporation, how would this be effected by the state of our birth either seceding from the union, or dissolving the general government as per the 10th Amendment to the Modern US/USA Inc. constitution?

Would we all just be a bunch of slaves living in a sovereign state, liable to a foreign power? If this is so, would there be any action on a citizen level that would release us from this liability? Would we have to pay the roughly $60,000 debt we are born with? If the corporation of the USA is dissolved, does that release us from liability, or does that fuck us even further?

Am I not thinking of this correctly?

Who would they use to collect the debt?

bowtiedaddy
03-03-2009, 10:04 PM
Who would they use to collect the debt?

Good point. Chinese military invasion? They'd no doubt be pretty pissed.

yozhik
04-03-2009, 10:48 AM
What debt ??? :confused:

There is no debt.
The United States corporation is bankrupt; operating under Chapter 11.
The Federal Notes issued as fiat currency are just promissory notes.
There is no money.

Think about that ...
Bankrupt ... no money ... promissory notes.
A "promise to pay" as some undefined point in the future.
How? Noone knows.
The only asset "funding" the system is your sweat equity.
You work and accept promissory notes for your labour.
That's very charitable of you, isn't it?
If people were actually aware of the whole scam, would they be so willing?

Basically the bankrupt economy is being held together by worthless pieces of paper and the good nature and hard work of the people ... working for no money.

Great system ... :rolleyes:

vladmir
04-03-2009, 11:05 AM
There is no money.
We as people of a nation (US or my country india, dosent matter) have been hoodwinked into believing that the promisory notes/legal tender actually represents something REAL.
It dosent.
Its not real money, it isint backed by anything. It represents nothing REAL, like Gold or Silver or whatever.

Meaning, we dont owe the bankers or their corporations like india or the United States anything, its the bankers who owe us.
And what is the price of hundreds of millions of VERY REAL lives that have been lost upholding this fraudulent system, designed to serve only the vampires?
Its not even calculable.

So, if any banker or any of their brainwashed agents actually asks me for clearing my 'debt' before setting me 'free',
ideally i would blow his fucking head off right then and there. :mad:

But really what we should do is, dissolve this fictional entity referred to as a person, like MR. VLADMIR.
Somehow, someway, we have to stand up and say, i am not this 'person', i am a Freeman.
The contract you had was with this legal entity, and i am not this legal entity that you are referring to.
The legal entity has been consciously dissolved.
No legal entity, no debt.

tien an
04-03-2009, 11:48 AM
"...So, if any banker or any of their brainwashed agents actually asks me for clearing my 'debt' before setting me 'free',
ideally i would blow his fucking head off right then and there. :mad:"


Vlad, it's comments like this that will get you a 4 o'clock wake-up call, with a stun-grenade through your staved-in front door, before the storm-troopers barge in and point their guns at your head.


But really what we should do is, dissolve this fictional entity referred to as a person, like MR. VLADMIR.
Somehow, someway, we have to stand up and say, i am not this 'person', i am a Freeman.
The contract you had was with this legal entity, and i am not this legal entity that you are referring to.
The legal entity has been consciously dissolved.
No legal entity, no debt


On this point, however, I agree with you 100%.
Question is; how?
I don't know, but I'm looking.

Heavenly Peace.

vladmir
04-03-2009, 12:40 PM
Vlad, it's comments like this that will get you a 4 o'clock wake-up call, with a stun-grenade through your staved-in front door, before the storm-troopers barge in and point their guns at your head.
I know, i will just be target practice for trigger-happy zombie policy-enforcement-officers.
I imagine Zorro wouldn't be impressed.
“Yes, you will fight very bravely, and die very quickly.”