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thenymph
01-03-2009, 08:44 PM
Did anyone see this today in The Observer ?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/mar/01/civil-liberties-conference

The Observer, Sunday 1 March 2009

The government and the courts are collaborating in slicing away freedoms and pushing Britain to the brink of becoming a "database" police state, a series of sold-out conferences in eight British cities heard yesterday.

In a day of speeches and discussions, academics, politicians, lawyers, writers, journalists and pop stars joined civil liberty campaigners yesterday to issue a call to arms for Britons to defend their democratic rights.

More than 1,500 people, paying £35 a ticket, attended the Convention on Modern Liberty in Bloomsbury, central London, which was linked by video to parallel events in Glasgow, Birmingham, Belfast, Bristol, Manchester, Cardiff and Cambridge. They heard from more than 80 speakers, including author Philip Pullman; musicians Brian Eno and Feargal Sharkey; journalists Fatima Bhutto, Andrew Gilligan, Nick Cohen and Guardian editor-in-chief Alan Rusbridger; politicians Lord Bingham and Dominic Grieve; a former director of public prosecutions, Ken Macdonald; and human rights lawyer Helena Kennedy.

In her speech Kennedy said she felt that fear was being used as a weapon to break down civil liberties. "There is a general feeling that in creating a climate of fear people have been writing a blank cheque to government. People feel the fear of terrorism is being used to take away a lot of rights."
She said that voters were anxious that their communities were 'being alienated' by the use of powers designed to protect national security being applied outside their original remit, and that there was now an open window of opportunity for the electorate to make their feelings known to government before the next election: "People are fearful of the general business of collecting too much information about individuals."

High on the concerns of the convention were the recent allegations against the British security services by Guantanamo Bay torture victim Binyam Mohamed, plans for ID cards, DNA collection databases and controversial surveillance powers being used by civil servants. In addition, concerns were high over Government plans to create a database of all the communciations and movements of ordinary people as well as the profileration of anti-terrorism laws including detention of suspects.

The Conservative MP David Davis, who resigned from the shadow cabinet in order to fight a byelection on a civil liberties platform, gave the final keynote speech of the day. He told the Observer that he believed the danger of a police state was a very real one and that justice secretary Jack Straw was leading a "piecemeal and casual erosion" of freedom in this country. "There has been a tide of government actions which have put expediency over justice time and time again. The British people wear their liberty like an old comfy suit, they are careless about it, but the mood is changing. Last year 80 per cent of people were in favour of ID cards, now 80 per cent are against. There's a point of reflection that we are reaching, the communications database which is planned to collect every private text and phone call and petrol station receipt will create uproar."

That people had paid £35 a ticket to attend such an event was a real sign that people were waking up and getting irritated by the threat, he said. "We are getting on the way to becoming a police state and the surest thing I do know is that by the time we are sure we are, then it will be too late."
Britain's judiciary came under fire from many speakers. The courts were accused of helping quash free speech by a panel of leading journalists who agreed that libel law was being manipulated by "dodgy characters" from all over the world who sought legal redress against valid investigative journalism in UK courts.

"Most of this is hidden from public view," said Alan Rusbridger who complained that British lawyers fees were 140 times as expensive as in the rest of Europe, creating impossible dilemas for journalists on newspapers already suffering from dropping sales and advertising revenues.
London Evening Standard journalist Andrew Gilligan said the planned database would bring an end to privacy and with it "an end of journalism". He pointed out that in the whole case around the illegal shooting to death by police of Brazilian student Jean Charles de Menezes, the only arrest was that of a journalist who revealed that police statements of the event were untrue.
The Observer and Vanity Fair writer Henry Porter, who co-organised the conference, said he felt tremendously moved by the support shown by everyone who had attended the event or agreed to speak. "I had been feeling like the lone lunatic wandering around Oxford Street with a placard and it's tremendously moving for me to see how many people share my concerns. The number of tickets, I'm told, could have been sold two or three times over. That has to show people really are thinking about these frightening issues quite seriously."

The Convention on Modern Liberty, sponsored by Joseph Rowntree Foundation, openDemocracy, Liberty, NO2ID and the Guardian, was launched as an umbrella campaign last month under the statement of purpose: "A call to all concerned with attacks on our fundamental rights and freedoms under pressure from counter-terrorism, financial breakdown and the database state."

Yesterday's gathering was by far the largest civil liberties convention ever held in Britain and it was held a day after a leading UN human rights investigator attacked Britain for "undermining" the rights of its citizens. In an advance copy of a report to the UN Human Rights Council, Martin Scheinin said so-called 'data mining' blurred the boundary between the targeted observation of suspects and mass surveillance.

Scheinin, the UN's independent investigator on human rights in the fight against terrorism, also questioned the use of spy software that analyses people's internet postings to create profiles of terrorists.

Seems like welcome news ...

fnulnu
01-03-2009, 08:53 PM
This is fantastic for raising awareness (if awareness that this country is becoming a police state needs to be raised.I think people know that already,but don't know how to stop the decline).

I truly hope it's not controlled opposition,though.I think it most likely is,at £35 per ticket and a U.N spokesman thrown in.No petition to sign? It still might be worth hunting-down a copy of the presentation,though.No doubt it was filmed.

Anyone know the name of said software? I'm aware of GHCQ scanning,but this could be news to me:

Scheinin, the UN's independent investigator on human rights in the fight against terrorism, also questioned the use of spy software that analyses people's internet postings to create profiles of terrorists.


ETA: more here.Jesus,people often misread sentiment,let alone machines:

http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/article.aspx?cp-documentid=14646611

UN expert says electronic data mining by intelligence agencies threatens human rights
A U.N. expert has warned that unfettered collection of personal data by intelligence agencies threatens basic human rights.
Martin Scheinin says so-called "data mining" blurs the boundary between the targeted observation of suspects and mass surveillance.
The U.N.'s independent on investigator on human rights in the fight against terrorism says spy software that analyses people's Internet postings to create terrorist profiles is particularly problematic.
Scheinin says the United States, Canada, China, Germany, Israel, Singapore and Taiwan use this type of "sentiment analysis."
In a report published on a U.N. Web site Friday, he says countries should adopt laws to prevent data mining from encroaching people's right to privacy and nondiscrimination.

elysiumfire
01-03-2009, 09:52 PM
It is essential that we keep amalgamated conferences going, keep the awareness high, keep the ball rolling in the public's consciousness. They must be filmed and put up on the internet for free and easy access. We've all got to keep batting away.

thenymph
01-03-2009, 09:58 PM
This is fantastic for raising awareness (if awareness that this country is becoming a police state needs to be raised.I think people know that already,but don't know how to stop the decline).

I truly hope it's not controlled opposition,though.I think it most likely is,at £35 per ticket and a U.N spokesman thrown in.No petition to sign? It still might be worth hunting-down a copy of the presentation,though.No doubt it was filmed.

Anyone know the name of said software? I'm aware of GHCQ scanning,but this could be news to me:



ETA: more here.Jesus,people often misread sentiment,let alone machines:

http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/article.aspx?cp-documentid=14646611

Yes, I was bothered by the ticket / price and the UN spokesman etc. On the face of it seems good, but it's a minefield these days. Still, getting the info out about public feeling has to be a good thing to raise awareness.

dreamweaver
01-03-2009, 10:05 PM
I have mixed feelings about this, as many of them are what might be called "controlled opposition", e.g. the Monsanto-backed Shami Chakrabarti, the Tory MP David Davis. It seems to be mostly the supposed "great and good" speaking on our behalf - quite a contrast to the real opposition at the British Constitution Group conference.

fnulnu
01-03-2009, 10:21 PM
Keep in mind David Icke's take on David Davies during the by elections,too:

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-4799447112501062338

killmicrosoft
01-03-2009, 10:22 PM
Keep in mind David Icke's take on David Davies during the by elections,too:

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-4799447112501062338

my thoughts exactly

fnulnu
01-03-2009, 10:24 PM
Did David Davis even mention this?:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55712

Until we see a copy of the speeches,we wont know for sure.I'll check youtube.

Here we go:

http://ms.groovygecko.net/groovyg/clients/dowie/modern_liberty_plenary1_700k.wmv

forza nascosta
01-03-2009, 10:33 PM
A few weeks ago I wrote to my local MP about the planned changes to the law which will lead to a database state. I got a letter back which surprised me. He apposes the changes but as he is a conservative candidate so I expected no different :rolleyes:

Here is a copy of the letter.
http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww138/lookupatthesky/random/mp.jpg

fnulnu
01-03-2009, 10:43 PM
A few weeks ago I wrote to my local MP about the planned changes to the law which will lead to a database state. I got a letter back which surprised me. He apposes the changes but as he is a conservative candidate so I expected no different :rolleyes:

Here is a copy of the letter.
http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww138/lookupatthesky/random/mp.jpg

Good on you for taking the trouble to write.Yes,it does look like The Conservatives are the pre-destined,pre-ordained chosen winners of the next general elections.As Helena Kennedy just said as I was replying: "You have to be very sceptical about power".

fnulnu
02-03-2009, 08:23 PM
The right to travel is enshrined in the Magna Carta also.It's one of the arguments actually made during the speeches in the stream I linked to previously.Evan Price (Conservative) transcript of the speech he gave.Full version here :

http://evanprice.blogspot.com/2009/03/convention-on-modern-liberty.html

I participated in the Cardiff event and gave the following speech on the 'Future of Liberty': -

"What I am going to do in my part of this session is to talk a little bit about what I wish for – clearly I will criticise what has gone before and the temptation to bash the Government that has been in power for the last 12 years is almost overwhelming … having said that, what you will understand from what I have to say is that the process that I criticise is not something that began in 1997 – it has its origins in earlier Governments.


I believe the stream is the first in many sessions,so I'll continue to rip them just incase anyone wants to idk,take clips for a video they might have in mind.

fnulnu
02-03-2009, 09:02 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2009/feb/28/convention-modern-liberty-britain

A gathering momentum

Today's Convention on Modern Liberty showed that the British public are more than ready to defend their freedoms

They've signed up to the NO2ID pledge, they've united (more or less) in condemnation of Jack Straw's calm-down-dear article in the Guardian this week, and many have agreed to write to their MPs on the matter of civil liberties. A call for another convention in a year's time was enthusiastically applauded. But will today's event mark the beginning of something new – a written constitution, a modern bill of rights, or even (as one delegate put it) the kind of civil disobedience that most of the politicians present today could never endorse?

I get a really bad feeling about this...

poohkits
02-03-2009, 09:23 PM
This lot are very much gatekeepers and controlled opposition, great for awareness but will lea people down the wrong path. Just look at the list, Shami Chakrabarti, David Davies et al and sponsored by the Guardian!

fnulnu
02-03-2009, 10:15 PM
This lot are very much gatekeepers and controlled opposition, great for awareness but will lea people down the wrong path. Just look at the list, Shami Chakrabarti, David Davies et al and sponsored by the Guardian!

I agree with you,poohkits.All the more so since they plan to market CDs of the conference themselves,which I gleaned from a comment posted on Spyblog last night.That's why I removed the link to Spyblog from an earlier post.If they don't see through it,they're part of the problem.This is very much a stage managed production.

I don't know what to do here,without causing people even more despair when realisation dawns that we have absolutely noone on our side...except ourselves.

hey_jude
02-03-2009, 10:29 PM
A meeting in a years time ...in this country ...at the rate TPTB are going that will be banned!

I feel Modern Liberty are totally controlled opposition and therefore a waste of everyones time.

And they managed to fleece people in London of £52,500.00 in the ticket process plus I guess they sold tee-shirts and took donations et cetera ...one born every minute :(

alternative_answer
02-03-2009, 10:43 PM
I have mixed feelings about this, as many of them are what might be called "controlled opposition", e.g. the Monsanto-backed Shami Chakrabarti, the Tory MP David Davis. It seems to be mostly the supposed "great and good" speaking on our behalf - quite a contrast to the real opposition at the British Constitution Group conference.

Shami Chakrabarti Common Purpose graduate; www.cpexposed.com
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

fnulnu
02-03-2009, 10:46 PM
Common Purpose

I get it now.This talking shop is paving the way toward the post-democratic era.The last thing we want to be doing is having them enshrine their wishes permanently and irrevocably in a bloomin' constitution.

elysiumfire
02-03-2009, 11:05 PM
Have just watched the Guardian convention, and I did not find it at all inspiring, but the more concerning for its brevity of focus on the real issues worrying us all. It was all too pleasant and convivial. I felt I was watching people dealing with serious potentialities just on the fringe of their consciousness. In short, it was all too British, all lining up to pleasantly complain, and oh so sorrowful for having to rock the boat. Nevertheless, what it had in its favour was to highlight (quite gently) some of the concerns that are needed to be placed in the public's consciousness. If anything, however, I felt it stifled the wider debate, which where Chakrabati is concerned - knowing now her and Davies' connections, is the more desired thing...to calm with dullness.